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In Rostec talked about the beginning of the release of radar with AFAR for the newest multi-purpose fighter T-50 (PAK FA)

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Group press service Rostekh publishes a message, which says about the start of production of new generation radars. The report says that at the facilities of the Ryazan Instrument Plant, which is structurally part of KRET, the first samples of radar with AFAR - active phased antenna array were made. Such an element will become one of the segments of use on multi-purpose fighters of the new generation T-50.


From the message of the chief designer of the Institute of Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirov (it was there that the project of the new radar was created) by Anatoly Sinani:
A traditional locator is an antenna, a receiver, a transmitter. In AFAR, the receiver, transmitter and antenna are a single unit integrated in micromodules. That is, each small cell, and there are thousands of them, contains a transmitter and a receiver. The entire high-frequency part of the locator “merges” into the antenna. And if earlier, for example, the transmitter failed, then the plane became blind. And at AFAR one or two cells can be affected, a dozen, a hundred, the rest continue to work. The T-50 antenna field is about two thousand such cells.




The modern fighter has two side and frontal antenna operating in the X-band. In addition, two additional locators with AFAR operating in the L-band are installed on it (in the leading edges of the wings). This allows you to increase the sector of the T-50 radar (PAK FA) to a level above 200 degrees.

The new locator with AFAR allows you to move the scanning beam in a fraction of a second, which helps to increase the speed of target selection and aiming aircraft weapons systems at them. In addition, the locator can be used as a means of electronic countermeasures.

It should be noted that, under the leadership of the Nobel laureate Jores Alferov, work was carried out to create monolithic microwave modules based on such compounds as gallium arsenide.

Anatoly Sinani:
The most difficult problem of transition from silicon electronics to heterostructures and monolithic microwave circuits based on gallium arsenide, which allow combining several previously independent devices, has been solved. The appearance of AFAR makes it possible to realize the idea of ​​network-centric warfare, when a fighter becomes the command center for ground forces, air defense systems, and also a group of fighters.


At the same time, Anatoly Sinani urges to refrain from attempts to compare Russian and American (used, for example, on F-35) developments due to the minimum amount of data on the radar from AFAR produced in the USA.

It is worth adding that the Ryazan instrument factory from the budget for the creation of radars with AFAR received about 6 billion rubles.
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http://rostec.ru
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  1. demo
    demo 21 March 2016 18: 46
    +45
    If the name Alferov sounded, then the product is unique, piece and outstanding.
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 21 March 2016 18: 52
      +43
      The most complicated problem of the transition from silicon electronics to heterostructures and monolithic microwave circuits based on gallium arsenide, which allows combining several previously independent devices, has been solved.
      Ours discovered heterostructures before 2010. It was classified as secret as possible. Ameripedids are very much after our inventions in this direction!
      1. PKK
        PKK 21 March 2016 18: 59
        +13
        If you knew how I want myself to have such a "star battery" somewhere.
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 21 March 2016 21: 59
          +14
          If you knew how I want myself to have such a "star battery" somewhere.


          belay In the sense? Without money? And you snitch a similar phased array, preferably with Fe-15. There is more than five kilograms of pure gold. Do not meddle on ours, they will shoot.
          1. FenH
            FenH 21 March 2016 22: 08
            +7
            Quote: Asadullah
            If you knew how I want myself to have such a "star battery" somewhere.


            belay In the sense? Without money? And you snitch a similar phased array, preferably with Fe-15. There is more than five kilograms of pure gold. Do not meddle on ours, they will shoot.

            Damn, the Fe-15 was in Turkey recently, it would be possible to drive a gold coin to Israel right away fellow and now late sad
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 21 March 2016 22: 42
              +4
              now late


              Forewarned is forearmed. Well, now you know what to look for after you throw a MANPADS package into the bushes? ? laughing
              1. FenH
                FenH 22 March 2016 01: 27
                +3
                Quote: Asadullah
                now late


                Forewarned is forearmed. Well, now you know what to look for after you throw a MANPADS package into the bushes? ? laughing

                belay Dear Asadullah, such things must be removed on the ground before take-off. After MANPADS, the search area increases, and the amount of gold found decreases No.
          2. Mobius
            Mobius 21 March 2016 22: 26
            +6
            At the same time, Anatoly Sinani urges to refrain from attempts to compare Russian and American (used, for example, on F-35) developments due to the minimum amount of data on the radar from AFAR produced in the USA.


            I would like these words about insufficient information to concern us, ordinary people.

            And experts KRET ALREADY used full Amer Development Information yes ...
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 23 March 2016 16: 34
              0
              Quote: Möbius
              KRET specialists ALREADY used the full information on the development of amers
              You should not think so bad about Russian specialists. In vain. They are capable of much.
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 21 March 2016 22: 11
          .
          It seems to me that what is presented as truth is not such. The fact is that in the dual polarization system of the cathode and anode, the magnetic force flows of one and the other form a harmonious system. And it does not look like a cylindrical one with a rod inside. Therefore, it is impossible to provide an energy density that would simultaneously provide both cathode and anad recharge, supporting a long period of both polarization and EMF
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 21 March 2016 22: 34
            +9
            Quote: gridasov
            in the dual polarization system of the cathode and anode, the magnetic force flows of one and the other form a harmonious system. And it does not look like a cylindrical one with a rod inside

            Oooh, yooooooooo ...
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 21 March 2016 22: 51
              .
              Well you are funny! How then can you explain multipolarization? You'd better make an effort to understand why the frame on such a finger battery rotates. But the laws of nature say that any system is trying to return to the optimal processes of energy exchange. And rotation or temperature phenomena are precisely a manifestation of the compensation for the imbalance of such energy exchange.
              And further . According to analysts, more than twenty percent of significant innovations come to Russia through the work of scientific and technical intelligence. Specialists know what fractal antenna arrays are.
              1. Manul
                Manul 22 March 2016 01: 03
                +5
                Quote: gridasov
                How then can you explain multipolarization?

                Get started! hi
                1. Rec
                  Rec 22 March 2016 16: 03
                  +7
                  Quote: Manul
                  Quote: gridasov
                  How then can you explain multipolarization?

                  Get started! hi

                  We start with this:
                2. Taras
                  Taras 24 March 2016 18: 01
                  0
                  what to start you read this forum of scribble, this is a champion of writing about nothing, but with clever words, he can write a lot, but there’s only 0 point in it!
              2. aksakal
                aksakal 22 March 2016 03: 08
                +1
                Quote: gridasov
                Specialists know what fractal antenna arrays are.

                - fractal? Maybe a mistake, they wanted to print "fecal matter"? In my to ... sorry, on the forum, please do not express yourself. And in general, how is it a self-similar antenna array? How does the antenna repeat itself on several scales? And, most importantly, what does it give? Well, I imagined that this antenna consists of several smaller antennas, and those, in turn, of tiny antennas. And so on down to microscopic antennas. So what? What does it do? Apart from technological difficulties - such an attack still needs to be made somehow and assembled. Well, since we are clever, enlighten us, the unenlightened laughing
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 22 March 2016 03: 31
                  +1
                  Although I hate Gridasova myself, but here you are wrong:

                  Quote: aksakal
                  - fractal? Maybe a mistake ...
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 22 March 2016 04: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Although I hate Gridasova myself, but here you are wrong:

                    Quote: aksakal
                    - fractal? Maybe a mistake ...

                    Yes, it's too lazy to google, and below Gribasov brought up fractal antennas - I still don't understand what the fractals have to do with it? Fractal structure refers to structures that repeat themselves at different scales. Here is a tree - on the largest scale, two trunks bifurcate - we get a "two-horned fork". Further, on a medium scale, the branches bifurcate - we get again forks. On the smallest scale, a thin twig and that forks - the same pattern.
                    About army building - the same fractal. A platoon consists of three sections, a company - of three platoons, a battalion - etc. The same fractal structure. And how can an antenna be self-repeating on a scale?
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 22 March 2016 06: 12
                      0
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Gribasov led about fractal antennas

                      His "fractals" are generally one of his favorite words. laughing

                      Quote: aksakal
                      And how can an antenna be self-repeating on a scale?

                      Here's what I found, most of the KMK, "similar to":
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 22 March 2016 11: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Gribasov led about fractal antennas

                        His "fractals" are generally one of his favorite words. laughing

                        Quote: aksakal
                        And how can an antenna be self-repeating on a scale?

                        Here's what I found, most of the KMK, "similar to":

                        Fractal in nature, those on! what Cross-shaped)))). It remains to find out why such a position of microantennas is better than any other non-fractal arrangement of antennas. Thanks, now it’s clear)))
                      2. adept666
                        adept666 22 March 2016 17: 36
                        +4
                        It remains to find out why such a position of microantennas is better than any other non-fractal arrangement of antennas.
                        Theoretically (and confirmed practically on some models of antennas made according to the Koch fractal scheme) they allow to obtain a comparable gain, as well as traditional arrays, but with smaller dimensions. It has nothing to do with AFAR; Mr. Gridasov, as usual, returning from Hogwarts with sorcery and verbiage. smile
            2. jPilot
              jPilot 22 March 2016 04: 10
              +1
              The answer is simple, military: "If you are civilians so smart, then why don't you march in formation!" laughing
              Moreover, judging by "your" statements, the robot is clearly writing. After all, the electronic "brain" can operate only with established facts and published inventions, and cannot admit the development of thought. Therefore, an inventing computer does not and cannot exist. negative
              And this robot is also in the hands of the Ukrainian troll.
              As for the antenna, it’s good that our science does not stand still. And who does not believe, well, no, no, then ...... SURPRISE will be wink lol
        3. Pravdarm
          Pravdarm 21 March 2016 22: 38
          +11
          This is just PI !!!
          Comrade Gridasov, stop it!
          The brain begins to boil.
          Your comments about fractals (below), plasticine energies, ...
          foam waves.

          PS: If you want to push on your brains, read the comments of this professor! Just about ... eat!



          Etc. just - PI!
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 21 March 2016 22: 54
            .
            Tambov Wolf comrade to you!
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 21 March 2016 22: 59
              +9
              Quote: gridasov
              Tambov wolf you comrade!

              You would be ... more careful, perhaps .. what
    2. opus
      opus 21 March 2016 20: 06
      +4
      Quote: Pravdarm
      Our discovered heterostructures before 2010 g

      no not before
      MOCVD (Metalorganic chemical vapor deposition) -gallium arsenide is grown using trimethyl gallium ((CH3) 3Ga) and triphenyl arsenic (C6H5) 3As). The term itself was proposed by the founder of the method, Harold Manasevit. in 1968 year



      Molecular-beam epitaxy-Molecular-beam epitaxy technology was created in the late 1960s J.R. Arthur and Alfred Y. Cho.


      1. hydrox
        hydrox 21 March 2016 20: 42
        +7
        All this in the mid-70s already worked in pilot plants at the Institute of Physics and Technology of the Siberian Branch of the National Academy of Sciences of the Soviet Socialist Republic, and from the mid-80s such plants of quite industrial size and capacity were already exported.
        1. opus
          opus 21 March 2016 20: 58
          +6
          Quote: hydrox
          All this in the mid-70s already worked in pilot plants at the Institute of Physics and Technology of the Siberian Council of the Soviet Socialist Republic,

          Can I show it?

          In 2001, a new enterprise, ZAO Scientific and Technological Equipment (St. Petersburg), took over the development and production of MPE installations (trade mark "SemiTEq")

          Since 1986, Veeco has been manufacturing components and systems for molecular beam epitaxy and is now a recognized industry leader.
          Wide range of sources
          A number of research facilities (930, GenII, GenIII, Gen20)
          A number of industrial plants (Gen200, Gen2000)
          Cluster systems with multiple growth chambers



          Sale of equipment and instruments for quality control and material research


          You confuse with the MPE installations for growing structures based on nitrides of the 3rd group

          I.P. Kazakov "On FIAN developments in the field of creating a new element base for electronics", Kultura TV channel, program "Black holes, white spots", September 27, 2012
          1. yehat
            yehat 22 March 2016 17: 32
            +1
            I saw a setup with a photo at NSU in 91 in the laboratory
      2. dauria
        dauria 22 March 2016 00: 25
        +9
        MOCVD (Metalorganic chemical vapor deposition) -gallium arsenide is grown using trimethyl gallium ((CH3) 3Ga) and triphenyl arsenic (C6H5) 3As).


        See abstruse phrases. What interests me most is our designers thought about people or not? I hope the cooling system is alcohol, not newfangled evaporator tubes laughing . Even offhand let the average power of KNP 500 watts (this is still not enough). With an efficiency of 10% of semiconductor elements (this is still good), about 5 kilowatts go into heat. Yes, on such a stove you need a break. Really a bastard designer? am A plane without alcohol - money down the drain
        1. jPilot
          jPilot 22 March 2016 04: 15
          +7
          Voooot at least someone about us, the pilots worried good drinks laughing
      3. Svateev
        Svateev 22 March 2016 09: 34
        +3
        Quote: opus
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Our discovered heterostructures before 2010 g
        no not before

        Opus does not live in Russia. Because every Russian knows and is proud that Academician Alferov (who is mentioned in the article) received the Nobel Prize precisely for heterostructures. yes
      4. adept666
        adept666 22 March 2016 18: 10
        +4
        no not before
        We stood at the origins, one might say. Alferov and his associates were the first to select one of the "ideal" heteropairs AIAs / GaAs in 1964, then GaAs / AIGaAs (it has better resistance to oxidation in air), and already in 1968 (when they were still theorizing on this topic) the world's first semiconductor heterolaser operating at room temperature. In 1970, it was improved by creating an InGaAsP heterostructure. In the mid-1970s, on the basis of AIGaAs / GaAs, for the first time in the world, the same team creates the technology of radiation-hardened solar cells, which were also installed at the MIR station. In 1993, Alferov's laboratory designed semiconductor lasers based on structures with quantum dots (artificial atoms) - injection heterolasers operating in a continuous mode at room temperature. For all this he received the Nobel Prize.
    3. Manul
      Manul 22 March 2016 01: 01
      +4
      Quote: Pravdarm
      Our

      Eh .. To notice the prophets in their homeland before the liberoids will moan in a hundred years - "here no one can do anything. Everything is invented in the West."
    4. rpek32
      rpek32 22 March 2016 04: 33
      +1
      Quote: Pravdarm
      Ours discovered heterostructures before 2010. It was classified as secret as possible. Ameripedids are very much after our inventions in this direction!


      article of 2006.

      http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/exclusive/view/4634/

      Everything as usual
    5. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 22 March 2016 12: 19
      +2
      If such technologies are put into the masses, then the oil and gas kings of the Russian Federation will go bankrupt. Therefore, the statement that the Government supported scientists can be viewed with some skepticism.
      I remember about five years the same transmission that scientists invented a method to protect pipes from corrosion by changing the structure of the material at the molecular level. As an example of a unique technology, it was argued that the conventional cast iron pipes that underwent such processing will lie in the ground for at least 400 years and not lose their strength characteristics.
      Now the question is: Where is it? In front of my house, every spring, a collector is torn and patched, in one place or another.
      No one in the Russian Federation (except for people and scientists) is interested in such developments. Everyone is interested to buy for 1 cop. and sell for 1 ruble or even better for 100 rubles.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 24 March 2016 14: 49
        0
        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        ordinary cast iron pipes will lie in the ground for at least 400 years

        Long ago, the British appeared in Baku and laid a pipeline of cast-iron pipes. It took 60 years and this water supply was under Lenin Avenue. And then one day, the need to open the ground for some business arose. During the opening, the cast iron pipe was accidentally touched and it leaked. Repeatedly tried to eliminate that leak, but the Naglo-Saxon technology of "stamping" the joints was completely lost. As a result, at the very end of the 70s, the beginning of the 80s, the replacement of a cast-iron pipe with a steel one began. The question is, will it last 60 years or more?
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  2. poquello
    poquello 21 March 2016 18: 53
    +1
    Quote: demo
    If the name Alferov sounded, then the product is unique, piece and outstanding.

    about him it turns out they wrote that he does everything known
  3. MARK
    MARK 21 March 2016 19: 00
    +2
    Quote: demo
    If the name Alferov sounded, then the product is unique, piece and outstanding.

    Our fighters felt confident in the Middle East ... And not without reason to see! Thanks to our designers .. Alferov is generally an outstanding scientist .. (mobile phone, this is his merit .. his scientific concept, in this area)
  4. Sweles
    Sweles 21 March 2016 20: 03
    -8
    Quote: demo
    If the name Alferov sounded, then the product is unique, piece and outstanding.



    In order to give greater ideological weight to the scientific research of his young colleagues, he defined himself, of course, as the chief leader of a group engaged in unique development - the creation of fast optical and microelectronic components of a laser generator. It was in this area that an outstanding discovery was made by scientists Garbuzov, Tretyakov, Andreev, Kazarinov and Tailor.
    The sixth side of the pripe was the secretary of the party committee, Zhores Alferov. Thirty-odd years later, he went alone to Stockholm for the most prestigious title in the world. Garbuzov, Tretyakov and Andreev subsequently received the State Prize of the Russian Federation, one for three

    http://fotoksi.livejournal.com/110074.html
    yes no buddy you're wrong alferov typical careerist ...
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 21 March 2016 20: 38
      0
      Lord! Well, finally !!!! good
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 21 March 2016 20: 38
      0
      Lord! Well, finally !!!! good
  5. Blondy
    Blondy 22 March 2016 07: 28
    -2
    No, I'm bastard with modern PR. First they say that our scientists and designers have developed, well, the most unique, newest, well, top-secret thing (we will not use traditional terminology), then they begin to enthusiastically paint what is the most secret in it, on the basis of which, and how it works, down to individual TTX.
    You might think that the rest are not so smart and will not dig the earth in the direction indicated. In not so distant past times, for example, about the use of radars, fairy tales were told that pilots were intensively fed carrots, and this made them better able to see in the dark and bring down the enemy. Or are we also told tales based on the long-known gallium arsenide with which they switched to silicon? In principle, I don’t care what gallium or silicon. But nowadays there aren’t enough fairy tales, and for TB it would be more useful.
  6. guzik007
    guzik007 22 March 2016 11: 09
    0
    If the name Alferov sounded, then the product is unique, piece and outstanding.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Already not piece-on-line!
  • aleksejpill
    aleksejpill 21 March 2016 18: 46
    +5
    It is worth adding that the Ryazan instrument factory from the budget for the creation of radars with AFAR received about 6 billion rubles.
    In mattress covers 6 mld. dollars would not be enough.
    1. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh 21 March 2016 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: aleksejpill
      In mattress covers 6 mld. dollars would not be enough.

      If our country had a self-assembly printing press, we would also be happy to spend 6 billion. dollars.
      These 6 billion. dollars. our damned "partners" will beat back on export supplies. Now, look how the nix is ​​being directed in Europe - they say, look, the Russians will capture you without our F-35. And try Europe not to buy the F-35 from the Americans ...
    2. mav1971
      mav1971 22 March 2016 09: 32
      +1
      Quote: aleksejpill
      It is worth adding that the Ryazan instrument factory from the budget for the creation of radars with AFAR received about 6 billion rubles.
      In mattress covers 6 mld. dollars would not be enough.


      He received money to start production.
      And not to create.
      These are different things.
      R&D has cost tens of billions over the past 20 years.
      By the way, the Americans Raytheon made their first AFAR for 150 million dollars.
      And already significantly more than a thousand AFARs have been released.
      Here we are 20 years behind and will catch up for a long time ...
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 21 March 2016 18: 51
    +3
    I heard already quite a while about our AFAR, but it was infa that they did not always respond with the declared TTH. I hope these samples already meet all the requirements and will be able to be put on serial samples of the aircraft.
  • tchoni
    tchoni 21 March 2016 18: 53
    -1
    I recall that a little earlier the conversation was about the all-round radar of a fifth-generation fighter. Now only about 200 degrees. This is somewhat less than 360. But, perhaps there is a reasonable explanation ...
  • Roman 11
    Roman 11 21 March 2016 18: 56
    +2
    Still, uff ..... I agree to sell a missile boat to Egypt, if only it’s time to send the 5th generation to the air, and at that time it already requires the 6th. The first T-50 rose by the way in the 10th year ...... We are waiting for some sort of VKS.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 March 2016 18: 56
    +2
    Micran makes microwave modules for them in Tomsk. In general, AFAR is undoubtedly an advanced system, but modules based on gallium nitride and silicon-germanium materials are more promising, at least in the temperature range.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 21 March 2016 20: 56
      0
      Gallium nitride?
      For the first time I hear about such material.
      Probably still arsenide ...
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 22 March 2016 06: 17
        0
        Gallium nitride on sapphire ... All LED bulbs have gallium nitride elements. Those same LEDs. But he is good in microwave technology. Take an interest ...
  • bertgolz
    bertgolz 21 March 2016 19: 00
    .
    Quote: tchoni
    But perhaps there is a reasonable explanation ...


    of course have. Trending - don't toss bags
    1. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh 21 March 2016 20: 40
      +6
      We open your profile, we read.
      Topic: "Another Iranian general died in battle in Syria."
      Your comments: it would be good if it were true; I hope not the last ....

      Topic: "Washington was frightened by the possibility of monitoring American facilities by Russian drones."
      Your comments: it would be interesting to know what kind of "Russian" drones did the Americans crap from? Perhaps these wonderful drones scared the Americans so much.

      Quote: bertgolz
      of course have. Trending - don't toss bags

      Dear, you were not mistaken by the site by accident? I, and I am sure many other members of the forum, got sick of URYa potsriots, who did not express a single comment on the topic, except for "cool, but more is needed." So also instances like you appear.
      You can say something about the essence of the article. If so, then educate the forum users, many will be happy to read about technical specifications, the history of creation, etc.
      You can not? Then save us from your presence on this site. So far, all that you have demonstrated is a terrible inferiority complex.
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 21 March 2016 19: 06
    +4
    AFAR is an unconditional breakthrough of domestic electronics. Now it is possible to realize thousands of operating modes of the radar, including the hidden variants of low-potential and ultra-wideband signals. The only pity is that the technology of gallium arsenide-based solid-state generators, which is more than 50 years old, is being introduced with such a delay.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 21 March 2016 19: 13
    +4
    The buildup of the latest equipment and weapons for the new T-50 aircraft (PAK FA) continues.
    It is gratifying that the defense of Russia's interests will be carried out by advanced combat systems.
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  • xam0
    xam0 21 March 2016 19: 17
    +3
    In the t-50, everything should be the best in the world, then the plane will be a brilliant work. The glider has already turned out super, the engines of even the first stage are good, and when the engine of the second stage is brought, the song will be generally. Now the radar is being brought to mind, and there is no doubt that it will result in a level. We are really looking forward to this bird in the native army!
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 March 2016 19: 20
    +2
    [quote = Pravdarm] [quote] The most complex problem of the transition from silicon electronics to heterostructures and monolithic microwave circuits based on gallium arsenide, allowing combining several previously independent devices, was solved. [/ quote] Our heterostructures were discovered before 2010. . Ameripedids are very much after our inventions in this direction!

    Why hunt for technology of the turn of the century. They are in the public domain. Another issue is implementation, the creation of products based on them. Believe me, it should turn out really cool.
  • TEA
    TEA 21 March 2016 19: 22
    +1
    AUG USA is not near Syria ... And they are afraid to appear in the Black Sea! (Turks are a separate issue ..))) These are the things gentlemen are doing ... (in vain you angered us ..)
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy 21 March 2016 19: 33
    +1
    Very good news! It’s rarely possible that it’s so good! good bully
  • vv3
    vv3 21 March 2016 20: 53
    0
    Why the discussion and the article stubbornly hold back the second part of the question - the brains of the radar. The capabilities of the AFAR depend on the level of the computer (computer) and software. Does this question not arise anywhere?! Sorry, for the directness, the AFAR itself is only a high-tech sensor. It seems to me that the sensor itself is no worse, or perhaps better than the enemy. And how is it with the computer, which uses the software to realize all the AFAR capabilities? Everyone is silent about mapping, transmitting and storing arrays of information, speed, etc. Americans are in this issue faced major difficulties. And we all are silent .... We are quiet ... Maybe we have a demonstration AFAR?
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 21 March 2016 21: 44
      -2
      I will allow myself to shake wild rudeness and continue somewhat. I think that it is really possible to facilitate the task even for a modern AFAR computer. You can simplify the Mathematical basis, which will allow not only to accurately calculate the distance to an object (in many of them), but also to see the virtually full-volume shape of these objects. It all depends on the fact that the AFAR should not be so built in the arrangement of the emitter tips themselves, but should represent a fractal structure. Why? Because if each polygon from the center is represented by the exact number of such tips, then you get a system of circles, each of which will correspond to a certain dimension. That is, it will be a system of circles with different radii, which will correspond to certain numerical algorithms corresponding to what we call the PI number. The fact is that the numerical sequence that determines the number Pi can be written as a system of number algorithms. Then each radius of such circles will correspond to a certain exact numerical value. And each such radius will make it possible to accurately determine mathematically the distance to an object or part of this object. In general, this is from the mathematical "Pharaoh's problem", which allows, having the base radius, construct two straight lines, like the sides of a cone, the intersection of which will give the height (the distance from the base to the intersection point). Since the radii in the base will be interconnected by algorithms, you can always see the distance to the object and its parts, also divided in the same system of algorithms. All calculations will be integer and it will not be a difficult task for a computer to analyze, so to speak.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 22 March 2016 04: 03
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        Quote: gridasov
        It all depends on the fact that the AFAR should not be so built in the arrangement of the emitter tips themselves, but should be a fractal structure. Why? Because if each polygon from the center is represented by the exact number of such tips, we get a system of circles, each of which will correspond to a certain dimension. That is, it will be a system of circles with different radii, which will correspond to certain numerical algorithms corresponding to what we call the number of PIs. The fact is that the numerical sequence determining the number Pi can be written as a system of number algorithms. Then each radius of such circles will correspond to a certain exact numerical value.
        - roughly understood how the distance is calculated, but did not understand, - but what and how are fractals here? Fractals are self-similar, repeating themselves on different scales of the structure. Here is a tree, for example - the trunk bifurcates, and the smallest branch bifurcates - on different scales the same "fork" turns out. The same is the trachea of ​​the brow or its vessels ... Coastal convolutions are the same. We look from a height of 1 km - at this height there is one picture of the coast. We look from a lower height - we see the same thing, the same figure, but on a smaller scale, which we could not see from a height of 1 km. Let's go down and see the same thing again on a different scale. One and the same approximately repeating pattern at different scales. But that there in the antenna can be self-similar, self-repeating on a scale, what could it be called fractal? Or have fractals been dragged here for the sake of a catchphrase?
    2. vv3
      vv3 22 March 2016 01: 04
      +2
      Why do they throw me cons? For a tough question? Or do you think that like an ostrich with its head in the sand, the problem will go away? It’s easy to make superficial conclusions. And here the problem is to its full extent. The problem is with the element base, technologies. Uryta will not change anything from your approvers. You don’t want to see and know the problem, but it won’t solve it ...
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 22 March 2016 10: 57
        +1
        Quote: vv3
        Why do they throw me cons?
        I don’t know for what reasons you are being neglected. But the problem of realizing AFAR and radar with a synthesized aperture of the antenna due to the lack of powerful computing resources really was 10 years ago, not only in Russia but in the USA. And the main problem was the lack of high-speed ADCs (analog-to-digital converters) with a sufficient dynamic range to form the antenna radiation pattern in digital form. This is only possible at high frequency. The theory of AFAR itself, as well as the theory of antennas with synthesized aperture, has been almost 30 years old.
    3. cyber
      cyber 22 March 2016 02: 04
      +1
      Is the main difficulty for Americans (and not only) not with overheating? winked And nobody seems to have canceled the parallelization of calculations.

      PS. Terraghertz locators with a data stream an order of magnitude greater than the current ones are already approaching in Russia.
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  • serverny
    serverny 21 March 2016 21: 12
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    Quote: tchoni
    I recall that a little earlier the conversation was about the all-round radar of a fifth-generation fighter.

    Repair your memory, sir.
    Experts didn’t even stutter about the all-aspect perspective, but what individual forum warriors fantasized is the tenth matter.
    The antenna installation scheme on the T-50 has been known for a long time and 360 degrees did not work out of it in any way.
  • bk316
    bk316 21 March 2016 21: 56
    +3
    KRET is how it was dispersed, every week something new.
    Someone asked what would happen if there weren’t the 90s, so that now it’s flying, walking, shooting.
    KRET (what was included in it) and TsNIRTI practically did not stop research.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 22 March 2016 09: 45
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      Quote: bk316
      KRET is how it was dispersed, every week something new.


      KRET simply hired a "successful manager" - a "newsmaker" in the marketing department.
      Which successfully out of every "elephant fly inflates".

      The lag in technology is at least 20 years.
      There is no element base, high-speed, with the corresponding computing power, and the technological process, at least at 40-50нм - to reduce heat generation and miniaturization.
      And in the coming years, 5 will not be.
  • hunt1
    hunt1 22 March 2016 02: 23
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    but how did ROFAR boast that they would show in fiction a picture on a 500 km S?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 March 2016 02: 24
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    The news is good. I hope that there will be no delays with the implementation.
    For network-centricity is our everything!
    And after all, such things not only on airplanes would be in place ...
  • shinobi
    shinobi 22 March 2016 04: 40
    +1
    The T-50 is just wonderful, but the new radars are guest-friendly in mass-size specifications and power supply. That is, along with the new cracker, radars will quietly convert the entire Su lineup starting from 27x.

    PS: how do they cast a shadow, this is a message to the NATO military specialists! We see far, we hear well, we’ll give in the teeth inappropriately. And do not care about your invisibility and other junk.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 22 March 2016 09: 47
      -1
      Quote: shinobi

      PS: how do they cast a shadow, this is a message to the NATO military specialists! We see far, we hear well, we’ll give in the teeth inappropriately. And do not care about your invisibility and other junk.


      AFARs are even on F-16.
      We have more than one battle.
      Can you hold an associative series with your own opus?
      D, B!
    2. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh 22 March 2016 14: 01
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      Quote: shinobi
      new radars are guest-friendly in mass-size characteristics and power supply.

      They cannot be unified, which is why the Irbis and Belka exist.
      Quote: shinobi
      That is, along with the new cracker, radars will quietly re-equip the entire line of Su starting from 27x.

      Even on the new Su-35 put PFAR, what are you talking about? Can you imagine what the replacement of radar systems entails? It's not like connecting new headphones to a laptop. The price of such a Su-27 will come close to the Su-35. It will turn out the Su-35 with a partially exhausted airframe resource and AL-31F engines. It would be wiser to spend these funds on the release of the T-50.
      With respect!
  • edeligor
    edeligor 22 March 2016 09: 03
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    In microwave electronics, we have always been at their best. But all sorts of news, all the more so pleasant as this, from such a high-tech field, please. The main thing is to avoid dependency in the element base. Thanks to Jaures Alferov and K + for the new technology. Hooray KRETu!
  • mav1971
    mav1971 22 March 2016 09: 54
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    By the way, there is one more phrase in the news on Rostec, which the "author" tactfully kept silent about here:

    "" Talk about the fact that the domestic radar with AFAR is on the way and will soon begin to be installed on aircraft have been going on since the early 90s of the last century. It is clear that AFAR must necessarily be on the fifth generation aircraft, but the capabilities of machines of previous generations are For example, in the Turkish Air Force, F-16 multi-role fighters are equipped with AFAR radars. Due to this, the Turkish F-16 can gain an advantage in the air confrontation with the Russian Su-30M2, which has a less functional radar. "
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 22 March 2016 12: 06
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    In Rostec, they talked about the beginning of the production of radars with AFAR ...

    Why "told"? Fairy tales are told. In this case, it is appropriate to use "reported".

    And yet, at the end of the message: "It should be added that the Ryazan Instrument Plant received about 6 billion rubles from the budget for the creation of radars with AFAR."
    Without comparison with any other expenses, this message is empty: a lot, a little, is it normal?
    But even if this is a lot, then free cheese is only in a mousetrap.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 March 2016 13: 19
    +1
    Finally. Otherwise ... a 5th generation airplane
    without an AFAR locator - somehow not serious.
  • AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 22 March 2016 20: 07
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    The start was probably laid by the development of GosNIIAS for the MiG-25, and this is a further development of the topic of airborne locators
  • leovik51
    leovik51 22 March 2016 20: 42
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    Well done! Keep it up.
  • Pilot
    Pilot 23 March 2016 18: 19
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    At the facilities of the Ryazan Instrument Plant, structurally included in KRET, the first samples of radars with AFAR, an active phased antenna array, were manufactured.

    Sorry ruined Kostroma Electromechanical Plant. Millions of dollars swelled and forgot.
  • chief.matros
    chief.matros 23 March 2016 21: 26
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    this type of antennas was developed back in the 50s (and maybe even earlier), at my institute I had a control on these "grids", but the information was so closed that my control fit on 1 sheet and I was advised (since I there was no military department) no longer interested in this type of antennas, and that was some 10 years ago, and now it is freely printed on the Internet
  • Mentat
    Mentat 23 March 2016 23: 14
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    Quote: mav1971
    Quote: shinobi

    PS: how do they cast a shadow, this is a message to the NATO military specialists! We see far, we hear well, we’ll give in the teeth inappropriately. And do not care about your invisibility and other junk.


    AFARs are even on F-16.
    We have more than one battle.
    Can you hold an associative series with your own opus?
    D, B!

    Well, your opus is very good. Given that in Russia AFARs have been mass-produced since 2010.

    It should be noted here that the early versions of AFAR had a number of their illnesses and shortcomings, this is not some kind of manna from heaven. In particular, the very cost, which when printing green candy wrappers is not critical, but for us, somehow it happened, is important.
    Another detail: an aircraft with AFAR of past generations, for example, the one on the F-16, is more noticeable for detection systems.

    In Russia, vast experience has been accumulated in the creation of VFDs, the last generation of which shows even significantly better results than the American AFAR (rabid cost) of the previous one.

    What is used and developed by the Americans for their promising aviation roughly corresponds to our developments.

    So the loud tonality of your message, either from insufficient understanding of the topic, or you are deliberately trying to once again raise the wave that has already filled the mark with your stupidity, "everything has disappeared, we are forever behind."
  • ardeev-s
    ardeev-s 24 March 2016 11: 01
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    yes inspiring .... we can when we want ..
  • Wolka
    Wolka 24 March 2016 13: 32
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    very credible, the Yankees are in a stupor from such news and are increasingly bluffing playing the race of technology and naturally armaments