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The Syrians increased the firepower of the BMP-1

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The BMP-1 is in service with the Syrian army about 40 for years, and is now actively involved in hostilities against terrorists, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


The Syrians increased the firepower of the BMP-1


“During the fighting, the machine’s long-known imperfections again surfaced - insufficient security and weak firepower of 73-mm guns. They tried to solve the problems of protection by hanging sandbags, tracked belts, fragments of armor from other wrecked machines on the armor, ”notes the author of the article Roman Katkov.

Recently, a photo of the BMP-1 with an anti-aircraft gun ZU-23-2 appeared on the Internet, thanks to which the firepower of the machine noticeably increased.

“Zushka” has rather high characteristics: the gun is capable of bringing 190-gram projectiles at a speed of 2000 rounds per minute at a distance of up to 2,5 km at the enemy, ”the author writes.

Earlier, in 2014 g, in the vicinity of Damascus, a ball was spotted by a BMP with a 37-mm anti-aircraft gun installed in a homemade turret.
Photos used:
imp-navigator.livejournal.com, Courage2004
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  1. maxim1987
    maxim1987 21 March 2016 10: 30
    -9
    In the course of the fighting, the long-known imperfections of the machine again surfaced - lack of protection and weak firepower 73 mm guns

    what is this rut?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 March 2016 10: 33
      +19
      Quote: maximNNX
      what is this rut?

      Well, yes, I agree with you BMP-1 in the game ARMATA, even not very bad. T 72 parses at a time laughing
      1. avg
        avg 21 March 2016 10: 45
        +8
        At one time, it was not just a good car, it was a breakthrough. The BMP provided completely new opportunities for motorized rifle.
      2. Now we are free
        Now we are free 21 March 2016 10: 48
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: maximNNX
        what is this rut?

        Well, yes, I agree with you BMP-1 in the game ARMATA, even not very bad. T 72 parses at a time laughing

        Hi Sash hi
        You missed here they are at different levels (levels) T-72 (level 5) of the BMP-1 (level 3) development and the "classmate" of the BMP-1 is the T-62, but by no means the T-72, although its (T-62 ) it really "cuts" well due to its stealth and maneuverability laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 March 2016 11: 36
          0
          Quote: Now we are free
          Hi Sash

          Healthy hi
          Quote: Now we are free
          Are you here to dissuade them on different levels (levels) T-72 (level 5) at BMP-1 (level 3)

          Yes, for sure, but nevertheless up to T 90 they rule BMP and BMD.
      3. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 21 March 2016 11: 10
        +2
        A cunning goal for fiction. It is necessary to fight, and not to look for reasons. So the Syrian Kulibins work.
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 21 March 2016 10: 36
      +10
      73 mm guns what kind of rut is this?

      Do you know that the Thunder smoothbore cannon (BMP-1) has a caliber of 73 mm? In the 70s - early 80s, the BMP-1 still lived up to its purpose. And then, sorry, it became obsolete.
      1. jjj
        jjj 21 March 2016 10: 44
        +4
        In any case, a bempekh with a machine gun is preferable to a "jihadmobile"
      2. Mihalich17
        Mihalich17 21 March 2016 11: 12
        +2
        So it’s necessary to write then - 73 mm gun, not gun!
        1. Blondy
          Blondy 21 March 2016 12: 32
          +3
          Quote: Mihalich17
          So it’s necessary to write then - a 73 mm gun, not a gun!

          And in vain to compass the brains: gun, howitzer, mortar, coulevrin. If for me: a gun is one horseradish gun, and vice versa.
      3. Kite
        Kite 21 March 2016 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        And then, sorry, it became obsolete.

        - rather, the reason is that the bandits have no (almost) armored vehicles, there are no targets for firing cumulative infantry, there is no aviation for the intended purpose of the ZU-23. High-explosive fragmentation bombs under ZU23, and even with dispersal of shells in the infantry line for light fortifications, have long been used well. Zushka was put on BTR-D for a long time (at the end of the 70s of the last century). Shilka was reoriented back in Afghanistan, removing the radar in order to increase the BC. The Syrians also appreciated Shilku, and now they made the ZU-23 more mobile. The title of the article is not correctly worded.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 March 2016 10: 52
      +4
      That's right, 73 mm. Moreover, 2A28 is a close relative of LNG-9. That is, in fact, it is a launch for rocket-propelled grenades, and not a full-fledged weapon.

      Although there were rumors about attempts to develop conventional HE shells with a low initial velocity for the Thunder.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 21 March 2016 11: 42
        +6
        Quote: Spade
        Although there were rumors about attempts to develop conventional HE shells with a low initial velocity for the Thunder.


        Why rumors? what For a long time there are 73-mm fragmentation grenades.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2016 14: 32
          0
          Without a jet engine, just a knockout? I'm afraid I have not heard of such.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 21 March 2016 14: 43
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Without a jet engine, just a knockout? I'm afraid I have not heard of such.

            Why no jet engine? Aren't the shots with the cumulative warhead PG-15 and the high-explosive fragmentation OG-15 for the 73-mm smooth-bore gun "Thunder" not of the active-reactive type? what
  2. Now we are free
    Now we are free 21 March 2016 10: 30
    +7
    ZSU-23-2 will be better than 73 mm "Thunder" in any case ... The only question is that in this version, as shown in photo No. 1, the shooter of the ZSU is unprotected by anything, fragments and machine-gun bullets become a mortal threat for him. I am silent about snipers with rifles under 7 * 62, 54/7 * 62,51. Assad's armies could have welded the minimum all-round protection around the perimeter of the Mad Mahmuds installation in a day (this is not the first one for them), this certainly if it had not protected the gunners of the installation, it would certainly have reduced the effectiveness of sniper fire at them.

    P.S. These "Shushpanzers" do not represent any engineering value, the only difference is that they are installed on tracked chassis of more or less protected from small arms fire (and then only in frontal projection) BMP-1.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 21 March 2016 10: 35
      +1
      Well done Syrians are creatively looking for a way out of the long-standing problem of this BMP model, because their lives during the battle depend on this decision, and God grant them good luck in battle.
      1. sa-zz
        sa-zz 21 March 2016 10: 44
        +2
        Quote: Thought Giant
        creatively looking for a way out of the long-standing problem of this model

        This is not a long-standing problem, this is an outdated model - what can you say if he is 50 years old at lunch.
  3. The black
    The black 21 March 2016 10: 31
    +3
    "Necessity for inventions is cunning" ... Not from a good life, of course, but GOOD MEN! Plus for wit. smile
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 21 March 2016 10: 31
    +5
    The Syrians increased the firepower of the BMP-1
    In war, all means are good. Moreover, Syria has never had such facilities for the production of military equipment. But there is no excuse for the "great ukram" in the appearance of such "shushpanzerei". for it is a shame for a country that had everything to do the like.
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 March 2016 10: 31
    +3
    The participation of brain gyrus and ingenuity in hostilities has not yet been canceled. We saw this in the example of Donbass, when militiamen used tanks and anti-tank guards from the time of the Second World War.
    As the saying goes: the gimmick of invention is cunning.
    1. tundra
      tundra 21 March 2016 11: 12
      +1
      Plus for koment!
      And also a photo from Afghanistan, where our large-caliber in front of the tower
      the machine gun was put on the march, there was apparently a sense from this.
  6. demo
    demo 21 March 2016 10: 31
    +2
    The need for invention is rich!

    It is noticed.
    If there is nowhere to go, then the head begins to work better.
    1. tundra
      tundra 21 March 2016 11: 17
      +4
      Yeah, I’ve tested it myself, I studied my first foreign car in three days on a flight in the cold.
      Then for a long time he was the main expert in the garage,
      quoted instruction manual as a keepsake. laughing
  7. vanavatny
    vanavatny 21 March 2016 10: 33
    +1
    let them want to do it, just don’t give up, our database is also not rubber
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 21 March 2016 11: 03
      +1
      let them want to do it, just don’t give up,
      Yes, they have nowhere to retreat, and it seems not so bad in Syria, compared with September 15.
  8. Altona
    Altona 21 March 2016 10: 33
    0
    Normal move. Joint chassis and suitable weapons. In conditions of famine of weapons, all means are good, and mobility rises, and firepower. But such alterations indicate a huge loss of the fleet of armored vehicles, which we observe on the example of Ukrainian APUs.
    1. tundra
      tundra 21 March 2016 11: 24
      0
      They do what is currently considered necessary.
      And to ugandabasit the enemy and stay alive.
      Again, Afghanistan is an example of how many instructions and instructions were violated there.
      Since they did not take into account those realities.
      then the Americans in Bosnia were surprised that it’s ours all on the armor and on the armor,
      themselves did not protrude from their boxes.
      1. Vetal999
        Vetal999 21 March 2016 17: 50
        0
        Your untruth. We had any assholes on the armor (pillows, armchairs, etc., who sleep or what.), And the Americans especially released aluminum assholes, but then they were abandoned.
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 March 2016 10: 43
    +2
    Modernization "on the knee". Here, without calculations,
    purely from necessity comes up.
    This is where our company would have advised ourselves with delivery
    combat remote modules on these machines.
    1. Vetal999
      Vetal999 21 March 2016 17: 52
      0
      And from what need can you explain?
  10. Hooks
    Hooks 21 March 2016 10: 48
    0
    Operate with those resources that are available. But it turned out nicely, in contrast to the Iraqi "battleships".
  11. Max repp
    Max repp 21 March 2016 10: 51
    0
    But I’m interested in the combat units of the Soviet army during the Second World War, there were examples of creating shushpanzery (do not talk about NO =)) from damaged / non-operational vehicles
  12. operator_75
    operator_75 21 March 2016 11: 05
    +1
    When the ZSU-23-2 was handed over, I expected that they would be put on the BMP, and they would make the aircraft tower as in the second photo. It can be seen just did not have time yet.
  13. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 21 March 2016 11: 17
    +11
    A well-known method, our troops used it in Afghanistan. A "cliff" was pinned onto the BTR-70 turret, the machine guns looked in one direction, wetted either together, or in turn, when the KPVT was reloading, they hit the cliff. All is well, but the shooter of the cliff is not protected by anything, they put on two or three heavy armor of ours, tied to brackets. Its task is simply, hiding behind the tower, to wet in the "wrong" direction, to suppress, to give the KPVT to recharge. And here is the photo in general, the legendary Major Broom (surname), in our brigade, he owned it himself, and called it all "Broom". Mela is like a vacuum cleaner all around. So learn from experience, gentlemen Syrians (no sarcasm)
  14. donavi49
    donavi49 21 March 2016 11: 24
    +1
    And the Libyans have already set their infantry fighting vehicles on wheels and attached a second gun.

  15. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 21 March 2016 11: 42
    +1
    The Kulibins on the Syrian land did not go away ...))
  16. CRASH
    CRASH 21 March 2016 11: 45
    +4
    Well, this is a gain, even in Afghanistan, our fighters tested.
  17. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 21 March 2016 12: 00
    -3
    Well, it’s very good if the 23mm and 37mm cannons were more effective than the 73mm cannon installed 40 years ago. Apparently, the Syrian "homemade products" turned out to be "smarter" than our "customers" (military) and designers.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 21 March 2016 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: evge-malyshev
      Well, it’s very good if the 23mm and 37mm cannons were more effective than the 73mm cannon installed 40 years ago. Apparently, the Syrian "homemade products" turned out to be "smarter" than our "customers" (military) and designers.

      73-mm gun "Thunder" originally had a pronounced anti-tank orientation. Initially, the BMP-1 ammunition did not even contain fragmentation shells. And in Syria, BMP weapons are used mainly to combat manpower and destroy firing points.
      1. Vetal999
        Vetal999 21 March 2016 17: 58
        0
        Rave! The BMP-1 73 mm never had a "pronounced anti-tank orientation". Before you say such an appointment and the tactics of using it, read it.
        Tanks on it can only be fought theoretically, in a computer, if the tank is stationary and / or without a crew, if it was not possible to get out of the tank, by stupidity, EVERYTHING.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 22 March 2016 05: 28
          +1
          Quote: Vetal999
          Rave! The BMP-1 73 mm never had a "pronounced anti-tank orientation".

          Dear Vitaly, the armament of the BMP-1 (73-mm "Thunder" gun and ATGM) has a pronounced anti-tank orientation. Deal with delirium and stupidity yourself, although sane people usually do not use such terms on the site. negative
    2. Vetal999
      Vetal999 21 March 2016 17: 55
      0
      Yes, not smarter! You ask yourself the question, why and why it is INSTALLED, and not DShK or KPVT. And not ATGM. What is the answer?
  18. 31rus2
    31rus2 21 March 2016 12: 02
    +1
    Dear, Murom produces such modules with various weapons: 2 * 23; 1 * 30; 2 * 23 and ars "flame", 1 * 30 with ars "flame", the ability to install on BMP, armored personnel carriers, mtl-bu, boats, plus the possibility of installing an ATGM in a complex, so that the Syrians use made in Russia, everything has been thought out for a long time and is produced
  19. _NortoN_
    _NortoN_ 21 March 2016 12: 11
    0
    I read an interesting info now that the Syrians captured 4 Turkoman who destroyed our Mi-8amtsh from PTRK
    1. flay
      flay 21 March 2016 16: 36
      +1
      Dear, where is the link?
  20. Vetal999
    Vetal999 21 March 2016 18: 34
    0
    No one asked a simple question: why do they put the memory, and not KPVT, DShK ATGM, etc.?
    1. Tactics with memory: quickly rolled out, quickly shot (2000 rounds / min) on a pre-detected target (2 barrels + rate of fire allows), quickly washed off.
    2. The problem of firing a regular BMP-1 barrel:
    a) smooth cannon BMP-1, low rate of fire (1 shot), it is hard for her to work "handicraft" prepared (not trained) operator on moving and rapidly disappearing targets - they smear constantly, only the BC is transferred.
    b) BASIC PROBLEM: the trunk lifts up to only 30 degrees. (trunk lifting angles: N / B -4 / + 30 degrees). And they have elevation differences in Syria: hills, mountains + fighting in the city (houses are multi-storey). Until the 2nd floor you can’t lift the trunk. And at the bottom of the hill, the mountains are of no use to her. (Note: in Afghanistan, we mounted on towers AGS-17);
    c) a shot (grenade) is low-speed, very light (it shakes it with the wind!), and in the mountains and hills the wind is not like on a plain, it is very variable. The altitude changes and the wind, that is, that is not - it is impossible to hit a target with untrained shooting, and it is very difficult for a trained one. While the second shot is crammed, or the target disappears or you are covered.
    So they put long-range large-caliber with a heavy bullet fast-firing machine guns with quick aiming, with BOO Larger minus / plus angles of the barrel rises.
    Someone here about the "clear anti-tank orientation" of the BMP-1 wrote in a comment. Horror!
  21. pofigist_26_rus
    pofigist_26_rus 22 March 2016 09: 41
    +1
    Here are a few more examples of reinforcement due to the installation of contingency weapons