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Towards a New Kazakhstan

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On Sunday morning, on the day of the extraordinary parliamentary elections, the president of Kazakhstan made a sensation by allowing a change in the constitution in order to transfer the country from the presidential form of government to parliamentary-presidential. Nursultan Nazarbayev is a veteran and heavyweight of big politics, so he says nothing for nothing. The age of the Kazakhstan leader already makes one think about the inheritance he leaves to the country and about the prospects for its preservation as a whole. Prospects, by the way, are very ambiguous. In Astana, they are closely watching what is happening in the open spaces of their great neighbors and try on someone else's experience to themselves. Before the eyes of the leadership of Kazakhstan is Russia, which has plunged into the most severe systemic crisis, as well as China, which is just taking this disastrous path after the collapse of foreign markets.




In the conditions of a new global redistribution, the question of elementary survival in the current borders becomes for the country a matter of paramount importance. That is why the authorities of the republic are so thoroughly corroding all alternative ideological attitudes from radical Islam to the Russian world, although the danger to the existence of the current regime in Kazakhstan comes so far from a completely different side - namely, from the future national movement of the Kazakhs themselves, which will pose the main issue social equality and justice. .

The Kazakh state was originally born exclusively as a nomenclature Soviet project. Until that moment, the titular nation of today's RK was never able to form its statehood even on a small land plot, not to mention building a ninth largest country in the world. Kazakhstan can exist and develop only in conditions of relative peace. Any serious shock can turn it into a second Ukraine or even worse. True, it should be noted that the southern neighbors - the states of Central Asia are even more unstable subjects: suffice it to recall the disarray of the Central Asian elites a year and a half ago, when the invasion of Islamists from Afghanistan was fully expected.

In this sense, Nazarbayev, who, along with Lukashenko, can be called one of the most appropriate leaders in the post-Soviet space, understands how artificial Kazakhstan’s statehood turned out (as in any other postcolonial country) and now seeks to create a system of mutual checks that can keep the country from shocks after his departure. An alternative to reform in this case is a complete disaster: economic collapse, civil war, disintegration, foreign intervention. So in Kazakhstan there are regular clashes on interethnic grounds. The last of them happened in the middle of February 2016 in the village of Buryl, Dzhambul region. Similar incidents occurred in different parts of the country before.

It is crucially important for Kazakhstan to build in such conditions a functioning management system that is not sharpened by the authority of a particular leader. The problem is that it will be necessary to build such a system in the conditions of geopolitical instability and the fall in commodity prices on the world market. If there is any constitutional reform in the country, it is now, as long as they have resources, and the protests have not taken on too large a scale. In this sense, the position of the Kazakh leadership is quite reasonable and understandable. In any case, it is far more explicable than the “strategy” of the supreme authorities of neighboring Russia, which have tightened all possible valves and nuts and are patiently waiting for the inevitable social explosion.

Nursultan Nazarbayev, obviously, foresees the sad ending in advance and tries to prepare. If he succeeds or not, the question is separate, but for diligence you can already be commended.

The separation of powers, if it turns out to be real, and not fictitious, also implies a division of responsibility. And the real division of responsibility will inevitably lead to the turnover of persons, the exclusion from the management system of frankly unsuccessful cadres. If Nazarbayev’s goal is precisely in this and the Kazakhstani leadership succeeds in achieving such a result, then the chances of a safe way out of all kinds of crises in the Republic of Kazakhstan are sharply increasing.

A simple transfer of power without a change in the system will mean a dictatorship (since the successor will be forced to compensate for the lack of authority by "tightening the screws"), the subsequent collapse of which can lead to the collapse of the country.

Constitutional reforms, if they are carried out, do not guarantee a calm life for Kazakhstan. What is important is not the fact of transformations, but how deep they will be, timely and adequate to the situation. In the meantime, the scenario in which all proposals for reform will remain good wishes, which will soon be forgotten, is not excluded. Time will tell.
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  1. Walking
    Walking 21 March 2016 06: 39
    -9
    What a provocative little article, what are such constant ethnic conflicts, what nonsense?
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 21 March 2016 06: 59
      +21
      Quote: Hiking
      What a provocative little article, what are such constant ethnic conflicts, what nonsense?

      If you don’t know, then there’s no reason to consider your elementary ignorance as nonsense of the author.
      Mass riots took place in different regions of Kazakhstan due to the actions of local Caucasians. This is not in opposition to the Kazakhs, they are people with lotions, but generally not aggressive, sometimes they put the Caucasian diasporas in their place, using methods that seem logical to them.
      1. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 21 March 2016 07: 27
        +29
        So in Kazakhstan, clashes regularly occur on ethnic grounds. The last of them occurred in mid-February 2016 in the village of Buryl, Dzhambul region

        In this case, not Caucasians - the cause of this particular collision was the killing of a 6-year-old Kazakh child by nationality. The killer is an 18-year-old Turk who entered the house to steal (stole 30 tenge - this is about 000 rubles), and the child witnessed the crime and the Turks stabbed him. Then they killed no one else - the internal troops and the police divided the warring parties and did not allow the development of events in a negative way.
        By the way, the village of Buryl - a typical multinational settlement in Kazakhstan - according to official figures, 12 631 people live in this village, of which 8120 are of Kazakh nationality, 2530 are ethnic Turks, 550 people are Russian, 854 are Azerbaijanis, 249 are Armenians, 71 - Kurds, 64 - Ukrainians, 51 - Germans, 45 - Uzbeks, 21 - Tatars, 19 - Uyghurs.
        By the way, the cause of the conflicts that occurred on ethnic grounds before this case was most often the criminal offenses committed, as a rule, by Caucasians (as well as neighbors by Uzbeks, Karakalpaks and the same ethnic Turks) against Kazakhs by nationality. But these conflicts are usually extinguished in the bud. This is the state policy of Kazakhstan aimed at preventing interethnic and interfaith conflicts in any form and manifestations.
        I personally do not welcome the transfer of Kazakhstan from the presidential form of government to the parliamentary-presidential one - it is too well known what our Parliament is - it is a serpentarium of "like-minded people", some of whose deputies were at one time closely associated with crime (in its organized form) and I don’t think that these connections were discarded by the deputies as unnecessary, some openly lobby the interests of nationalist circles, not to mention clannishness and upholding the interests of big business. It is enough to look at the laws that have been adopted in Kazakhstan recently.
        In general, I do not expect anything good from constitutional reforms - in full accordance with the Chinese desire not to live in an era of change, which, as we began in the 80s of the last century, will never end.
        I have the honor.
        1. Viktor.S
          Viktor.S 21 March 2016 14: 25
          0
          In this sense, Nazarbayev, who, along with Lukashenko, can be called one of the most appropriate leaders in the post-Soviet space

          Quote: Aleksandr72
          This is the state policy of Kazakhstan aimed at preventing interethnic and interfaith conflicts in any form and manifestations.

          This opinion was expressed by the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev at the Kazakh-Turkish business forum held in Istanbul.
          We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion.

          http://www.inform.kz/rus/article/2502148
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 21 March 2016 18: 32
            +1
            Republics in the Soviet Union had equal rights.
            It was called the Union.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 21 March 2016 22: 24
              +1
              Quote: gladcu2
              Republics in the Soviet Union had equal rights.

              But some are a little smoother.
      2. Walking
        Walking 21 March 2016 08: 37
        +7
        Yes, I’m in the know, but don’t mix crime and interethnic discord.
        I live in Kazakhstan and live in peace, and if some people (Caucasians or someone else) start to shit where they live, they bring them to life, but this does not mean that an interethnic conflict begins all over Kazakhstan, it usually ends with a skirmish in one village.
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 21 March 2016 10: 34
          +12
          I agree, if there are rarely sometimes local conflicts - most often with Caucasians or Turks. This is understandable - Kazakhstan is still a national republic - unlike "imperial Russia" - where the Russian people have an "imperial mentality" - which automatically makes them convenient for cohabitation with others and building an empire - but does not allow, if necessary, to unite and fight back the same Caucasians in the same 90s

          The article is very superficial - with unfounded statements - like "... Kazakhstani statehood has turned out to be artificial (as in any other post-colonial country)

          There are a lot of such "pearls - first of all, what does it mean artificial?"

          Why "postcolonial"? This is illiteracy already - read the signs of the attitude of the Metropolitan Colony, etc. - we have never had this either in the USSR, or in Tsarist Russia, or in the Golden Horde.

          Eurasia has always united peoples into a union of equals - and there was no "pumping out of the colony" - if it was profitable for the Empire, then on the contrary, the periphery could develop even more successfully than the center (the same our KZ - watched the speech of the National Academy of Sciences - recalled that no country in the world can compare with KZ in terms of the rate of investment in KZ under the USSR - they pumped in then specifically - Japan and Europe are resting. At the same time, it is understandable - not from love for the Kazakhs or not because the Kazakhs were in a "special position" - the empire did not make a difference) - everything was land empires and empire subjects
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 21 March 2016 14: 03
            +8
            In my opinion, Kazakhstan should be dragged into a union state, where we are now together with Belarus. The world is globalizing and this is inevitable. Crises and dangers will increase and this is also inevitable. Our huge frontier is not going anywhere either. The danger from the south will not go anywhere in the foreseeable future either. Moreover, Nazarbayev was the entire 90th locomotive of post-Soviet integration. As for the economy, until 1985 Kazakhstan was quite a donor to itself, as were the RSFSR, Belarus, and Azerbaijan. After the wise leadership of the labeled, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan became subsidized. After the collapse, Nazarbayev Kazakhstan raised and an alliance with him is a completely normal alliance without breadwinners and consumers. In general, I am for the union state of our three countries and I hope someday this space will again become a single country. Maybe not in the coming years, but I hope this happens. And there who knows - maybe the rest will catch up. hi
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 21 March 2016 14: 44
              +2
              the union state was relevant 20 years ago, now the train has left. You can’t go beyond the current level, now people in power have grown up with the union and they have some kind of nostalgia for the union, but their time is running out and within 5-10 years elites will change; a new generation will come to power that will hear about the union only from lessons history, and they have a negative example of the EAEU before their eyes.
            2. Talgat
              Talgat 21 March 2016 18: 22
              +5
              Quote: g1v2
              drag in the union state, where we are now together with Belarus


              In fact, integration is ongoing and there is no need for a union state of Belarus and Russia - which is largely declarative

              The Eurasian Union has become the next (and not the last) stage of integration - for people and business, everything will already be "as if one country." Unless we can't vote for each other - but I don't go to the polls anyway

              Even if there are some delays and problems with integration in the short term, anyway, look at the history - the Eurasian idea is the strongest. Petty reasoning cannot slow her down

              It has already given the world huge Eurasian empires, where the standard of living and security of all of us rose to unprecedented heights. Every time Eurasia fell, it still revived like a Phoenix (Samruk) bird even stronger

              So it was with Atilla, who beat the Romans, and with the Golden Horde and between them, and with Tsarist Russia - the heiress of the Horde, and with the USSR, and this list of names will definitely not end
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 21 March 2016 19: 19
                0
                Talgat

                The type of device that we mean by the USSR is possible only in conditions of state planning. Integration is currently working. Which does not exclude a contradiction. Therefore, as you rightly noted, the modern Union is a declaration.
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              3. Weyland
                Weyland 21 March 2016 21: 41
                +1
                Quote: Talgat
                still reborn like a phoenix bird (Samruk)


                Talgat, this is from another mythology! Samruk is
                Sayamurv (Avest.), Semurg (Farsi), Semargl (other Russian). Sometimes it is identified with the bird Huma (Humai, Humayun, Gamayun) - but not with the Phoenix! winked

                By the way, state lawyers consider the so-called steppe empires are not states, but super-complex chiefdoms - that’s why Putin said that Kazakhstan’s statehood has existed only since 1991: he is formally right!
              4. g1v2
                g1v2 21 March 2016 22: 08
                +3
                I hope so. However, our opponents are not sleeping and further integration in the post-Soviet space is like a tooth in their nose. PM will still crap on both sides. Tighten and Kazakh Natsik and Russian. Some will tell how the Russians oppressed them, and the second how their Kazakhs and other nations ate. request Moreover, both sides will have only sponsors. I think everyone noticed that such conversations happen here too. Some talk about imperial chauvinism, while others write comments about consuming Russian guest workers and foreigners. crying However, for most of us, I think that it is clear for you that together we are stronger, and weaker one at a time. Well, the generations that were born in one country and remember that we were one people are still alive. However, if this is not strengthened, separation will continue and integration will be more difficult, as new generations of these times have not been found. hi
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 22 March 2016 02: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: g1v2
                  will be crap on both sides. Tighten and Kazakh Natsik and Russian. Some will tell how the Russians oppressed them, and the second how their Kazakhs and other nations ate. Moreover, both sides will have only sponsors.


                  Absolutely true tactics - if you and I were opponents of Eurasia - that would be what we would do - would not let the nations unite - would sponsor the separation

                  Quote: g1v2
                  it’s clear that together we are stronger, and one at a time weaker


                  The West is consolidated - the US allies around the world. The European Union is integrating. But if some kind of integration in the post-Soviet territory is immediately condemned, the "evil empire" is reviving. more combat info "meme" - "independence suffers"

                  But I’m thinking, “The European Union suppresses the sovereignty of countries - let them dissolve then?”
          2. Vodrak
            Vodrak 22 March 2016 04: 22
            +7
            a friend from Russia arrived, he showed him Almaty ... ashamed already how he behaved in the city .... I thought that we live here in yurts and we ride work on camels. And he showed his city (growths) - we have a kalkaman more and more comfortable ... and show-off !!!!!
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 21 March 2016 07: 03
      +6
      He’s talking about February of this year, a friend on a business trip to Taraz (former Dzhambul), well, he told me that the Meskhetian Turks live there and one Turk committed theft for 16 years, like, but a 6 year old boy saw him, he killed this boy with a knife, Well, the Kazakhs gathered, surrounded this village, they killed one Turk, it seems, well then the cops and all that. I said that from his words, they also said on TV, but I didn’t see it. That's it.
      1. alpamys
        alpamys 21 March 2016 07: 11
        +4
        Quote: Igor39
        He’s talking about February of this year, a friend on a business trip to Taraz (former Dzhambul), well, he told me that the Meskhetian Turks live there and one Turk committed theft for 16 years, like, but a 6 year old boy saw him, he killed this boy with a knife, Well, the Kazakhs gathered, surrounded this village, they killed one Turk, it seems, well then the cops and all that. I said that from his words, they also said on TV, but I didn’t see it. That's it.


        it was so.
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 21 March 2016 07: 12
        +4
        Quote: Igor39
        He’s talking about February of this year, a friend on a business trip to Taraz (former Dzhambul)

        Yes, in the know, we are a little more visible near us. Only the case near Taraz (Talas / 2 aka former Dzhambul and Aule-Ata) is not the first. Already a tradition.
        And everyone who has a holiday today - happy new year!
    3. gergi
      gergi 21 March 2016 08: 57
      +3
      Interethnic conflicts at the household level take place, this is not rubbish. Russians are slowly leaving Kazakhstan, they are being squeezed out slowly but surely. Accordingly, the electorate runs wild. Kazakhs still live in medieval clans. Alien will not get there. The clan, seized power, turns into a tyrant. Just like that, the government will not give up. The departure of Russians from the country will lead to rapid degradation of society. Nazarbayev understands this well.
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      2. Weyland
        Weyland 21 March 2016 21: 43
        0
        Quote: gergi
        The departure of Russians from the country will lead to rapid degradation of society. Nazarbayev understands this well


        If I understood - I would not squeeze out the Russian language! am
        1. Dulat
          Dulat 21 March 2016 23: 41
          0
          I don’t know NAS or not, but unfortunately they are squeezing out the Russian language. I myself am Kazakh, and the modern Kazakh language is somehow uncomfortable, invented. It would be better if three languages ​​would be equal and without Latin (Russian, Kazakh)
        2. Vodrak
          Vodrak 22 March 2016 04: 30
          +1
          and what? squeezed out?
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 22 March 2016 22: 21
            0
            Quote: Vodrak
            and what? squeezed out?


            Well, no? Did not notice: at all state. the signboards were bilingual - and now only in Kazakh! But another thing is much worse: the seals in the documents were bilingual - and now only in Kazakh and in Russia the authorities require a notarized translation for each! am am am
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 21 March 2016 09: 23
      +1
      Kazakhstan has followed the path of Ukraine? belay
      The constitution can be changed, but what about the mentality of the indigenous people? For some couple of decades from the birth of an independent republic from scratch, changing the state system twice is like an experiment with its people. Not a very good time to rock the state boat. hi
    5. excomandante
      excomandante 21 March 2016 09: 48
      -1
      In the early 90s, "Svidomo" Kazakhs were ferocious in Kazakhstan. I live in Miass, Chelyabinsk region, then Russians, Germans, Jews came to us in large numbers - they fled from the enraged Kazakh nationalists. To Nazarbayev’s credit, he quickly caught himself and pressed this "Chingizid" bastard.
      1. excomandante
        excomandante 21 March 2016 18: 51
        0
        to go nuts))) I remembered about this post, and here, it turns out bezmozglye grief-Genghisides naminusovat))) What, really pierces the eyes? It was, was, what now. They can not argue, but fearlessly minus, funny freaks)))
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 21 March 2016 21: 46
          0
          and Genghisides didn’t please you? Among the Kazakh Svidomo they can’t be said to be many.
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      2. ABC
        ABC 21 March 2016 21: 35
        +7
        What does Genghisides have to do with it, to be honest, in the early 90s everyone ran from everywhere
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 21 March 2016 21: 47
        0
        Quote: excomandante
        In the early 90s, "Svidomo" Kazakhs were ferocious in Kazakhstan. I live in Miass, Chelyabinsk region, then Russians, Germans, Jews came to us in large numbers - they fled from the enraged Kazakh nationalists. To Nazarbayev’s credit, he quickly caught himself and pressed this "Chingizid" bastard.

        So it was in all the outskirts of the USSR.
        Just not fast and not pressed enough.
  2. apro
    apro 21 March 2016 06: 42
    +15
    For whom is it new? Or maybe a new one with old holes? Nazarbayev builds a mono-ethnic state and places for Russians are not foreseen and the Russian speakers leave where there is less obscurantism, unlike Belarus, which could balance the Russian issue in Kazakhstan, Russians from the leading ethnic group became third-rate.
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 21 March 2016 06: 51
      +4
      Quote: apro
      For whom is it new? Or maybe a new one with old holes? Nazarbayev builds a mono-ethnic state and places for Russians are not foreseen and the Russian speakers leave where there is less obscurantism, unlike Belarus, which could balance the Russian issue in Kazakhstan, Russians from the leading ethnic group became third-rate.

      Tatars friends for the same reason want to throw with RK
    2. Kibalchish
      21 March 2016 06: 53
      +7
      Quote: apro
      Nazarbayev is building a mono-ethnic state and places are not intended for Russians, and Russian-speaking people are leaving where less obscurantism is


      So about it is written there. Nazarayev is building a state that is convenient for himself and ethnic Kazakhs and is doing everything so that it does not fall apart after his departure.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 21 March 2016 07: 34
        0
        Quote: Kibalchish
        So about it is written there. Nazarayev is building a state that is convenient for himself and ethnic Kazakhs and is doing everything so that it does not fall apart after his departure.

        He is gradually losing the reins, his health is not the same. IMHO Kazakhstan is heading to "Kyrgyzstan", only slowly but progressively. And the goal as a whole is clear - the most mono-national state within the borders existing today. Earlier, the goals were more territorially wide. This is if we seriously take the author's opinion that Nazarbayev does not say anything in vain, which I cannot agree with the author.
    3. ABC
      ABC 21 March 2016 21: 34
      +10
      A small amendment, Nazarbayev is not building a mono-ethnic state, but his own khanate and he really does not care about Russians, Kazakhs, Germans, Tatars and other citizens of the country. I live in a region where the percentage of the Kazakh population is more than 96% and you never know, I've never heard anyone say here: bring the Russians home. There are Russian friends, I was specifically interested in them about nationalism, they say that everything is fine.
      Hear normally, and judging by the comments, (I’m not specifically addressing you, I’m everyone), almost hunting for Russians
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 22 March 2016 06: 08
        -3
        Quote: Alphabet
        A small amendment, Nazarbayev is not building a mono-ethnic state, but his own khanate and he really does not care about Russians, Kazakhs, Germans, Tatars and other citizens of the country. I live in a region where the percentage of the Kazakh population is more than 96% and you never know, I've never heard anyone say here: bring the Russians home. There are Russian friends, I was specifically interested in them about nationalism, they say that everything is fine.
        Hear normally, and judging by the comments, (I’m not specifically addressing you, I’m everyone), almost hunting for Russians

        I rather agree with the first part of your comment. And the second part of it reminds me of a Jewish anecdote - "Abram, who do you believe!? Your shameless eyes or my honest speeches?" There are different places in Kazakhstan, many of them we stopped visiting, because there is no desire to go to places of rest as if to war.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 22 March 2016 22: 29
        0
        Quote: Alphabet
        There are Russian friends, I was specifically interested in them about nationalism, they say that everything is fine.


        They just don’t want to offend you! wink
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    4. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 21 March 2016 21: 49
      0
      Quote: apro
      For whom is it new? Or maybe a new one with old holes? Nazarbayev builds a mono-ethnic state and places for Russians are not foreseen and the Russian speakers leave where there is less obscurantism, unlike Belarus, which could balance the Russian issue in Kazakhstan, Russians from the leading ethnic group became third-rate.

      Belarusians are Russians living in Belarus. Of course, they can call themselves what they want, but this does not change the essence. So there is no Russian question there.
  3. pts-m
    pts-m 21 March 2016 06: 54
    +2
    Yeah, it’s difficult to get used to rule without a roof, as in a union. Here you need to think. Here in my family there is a problem to understand, what can we say about wayward people.
  4. scientist
    scientist 21 March 2016 07: 19
    +11
    The problems of Kazakhstan are no different from those of Russia and Belarus. The global domination of one party on the principle of the CPSU reliably stabilizes the political system, which leads to the freezing of many problems of an economic, social and national character. Naturally, these problems do not disappear. The main principle of dialectics of "unity and struggle of opposites", which is the driving force of any process, is violated. Thus, for a while, the elementary development of statehood and society stops. The naturally accumulated tangle of contradictions will sooner or later lead to the explosive development of the situation in the country.
  5. brr1
    brr1 21 March 2016 07: 38
    +7
    It is interesting to know how long after Nazarbayev’s departure his family will begin to dispossess themselves?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 21 March 2016 20: 31
      0
      Quote: brr1
      It is interesting to know how long after Nazarbayev’s departure his family will begin to dispossess themselves?

      But what, Aliyev’s family has already been dispossessed in Azerbaijan? The son rules there quite successfully. Is it only that Nazarbayev doesn’t have a son? Then his desire to switch to parliamentary form is clear. Although completely different people can sit in parliament
  6. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 21 March 2016 07: 47
    +2
    Perhaps Kazakhstan is the most stable state in the post-Soviet space of the USSR.
    This speaks of the wisdom of its leader N. Nazarbayev.
  7. semirek
    semirek 21 March 2016 07: 48
    +5
    I'll insert three kopecks, because. Kazakhstan is not alien to me, today's Kazakhstan is almost completely reminiscent of the Union, the pre-perestroika years - the same "internationalism" - all peoples are equal, but one is more equal, the assembly of peoples is a council of nationalities in the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, the suppression of any national performances, censorship is not less harsh as in a union, sometimes I call home, they immediately tell me - no words about politics - we were warned; corruption has not disappeared anywhere, and the supremacy of one person. You do not need to be an analyst to understand - this is a rake. In a multinational country - it can’t be that it’s like a big family, but only one titular nation can rule, and you can take into account the experience of the same Lebanon with its many national and even more interfaith population back in the 90s, for example, the president of Kazakhstan is always Kazakh, the prime minister is Russian, and, accordingly, ministers are quoted, I assure there would be no outflows of the population. But what happened is the state, or rather its management was built under one person - the current president that-will not be his - the state will collapse, and any resident of Kazakhstan understands this, of course Nazarbayev is a respected person in his homeland among ordinary people, but leaders come and go, but the state must remain. What is Nazarbayev's current move? Understanding the moment and problems or simply fatigue from power?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 21 March 2016 08: 31
      +2
      Quote: semirek
      Is Nazarbayev’s move today? What is it? Understanding the moment and problems, or simply the fatigue of power?

      In my opinion, the announcement of the division of power, so to speak, so that this process passes and settles with it
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 21 March 2016 18: 57
      +4
      Quote: semirek
      Is Nazarbayev’s move today? What is it? Understanding the moment and problems, or simply the fatigue of power?
      laughing
      Quote: KG_patriot_last
      in the Kyrgyz Republic a mixed presidential-parliamentary system. I remember Nazarbayev spoke badly about us. And now he decided to also go
      Power must remain in the "Family" am
      And since the Nazarbayev clan cannot nominate such a charismatic Nurek was ..
      We have to move to collegial rule under the guise of the presidential-parliamentary system.
      Quote: alpamys
      Tatars friends for the same reason want to throw with RK
      Tatars' friends did not tell that many Russians of Tatarstan also explain why they want to throw out of Tataria ?!
  8. Penzuck
    Penzuck 21 March 2016 08: 32
    +11
    Is Kazakhstan a Colony? First, a protectorate, then it was included as an autonomy, and then a full-fledged province, and after the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia - the Kazakh SSR. Moreover, the RSFSR did everything it could to ensure that Kazakhstan was not a "colony". And for the author, everything is simple - a colony and a truncated. Provocation...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 March 2016 11: 22
      +1
      Your very line of thought is correct. Only one amendment. Before the revolution of Kazakhstan as a single administrative-territorial unit did not exist. Its current territory was divided between different provinces and regions with a mixed ethnic composition, and in some cases with a clear predominance of Great Russians.
      Most (but not all) of the territory of Kazakhstan was called the Kyrgyz territory before the revolution. Until 1925, the Kazakhs themselves were officially called the Kirghiz, and the current Kirghiz - the Kara-Kyrgyz.
      Under Soviet rule, there were first the Kirghiz Territory (the center of Orenburg), part of the territory of which is now part of the Russian Federation. On the other hand, it did not include many territories now included in Kazakhstan. Then the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic with the center again in Orenburg. Then, after the end of the territorial demarcation in Central Asia (Turkestan), the receipt, on the one hand, of new territories, and on the other hand, the transition of Orenburg from the province to the direct subordination of the RSFSR, the Kazakh (Kazak) ASSR was formed. Then, in parallel, the Kara-Kyrgyz Autonomous Region became the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. At first, Kzyl-Orda became the new capital of Kazakhstan, then the capital functions were transferred to Alma-Ata. In 1936, the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was transformed into the Kazakh SSR, respectively, its territory ceased to be part of the RSFSR. At the same time, Kyrgyzstan received the status of a union republic.
      By the way, until the beginning of the 30s. The Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic included the Karakalpak Autonomous Region. Then Karakalpakia was withdrawn from Kazakhstan and became the Karakalpak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, which was directly part of the RSFSR. And when Kazakhstan became a union republic., The Karakalpak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was cut off by Kazakh territory from the main territory of the RSFSR. They did not begin to return Karakalpakia to Kazakhstan, but they did not raise the status to the union republic, unlike Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Instead, the Karkalpak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was transferred to the Uzbek USSR.
      Thus, at the turn of 1936-1937. The RSFSR ceased to include Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Karakalpakstan.
      Earlier, in the mid-20s. The RSFSR lost most of the territory of the former Turkestan ASSR.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 21 March 2016 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Penzuck
      And the author is simple - the colony and the mustache. Provocation...

      I also disagree with the author at this point.
      For example, I quoted you. The author used the terminology of official Kazakhstan, i.e. Nazarbayev is a "colony", not a province.
      So who is the real provocateur?
  9. kvs207
    kvs207 21 March 2016 08: 33
    +15
    I have lived in Kazakhstan for many years and I would like to wish Kazakhstanis only prosperity. Happy holiday to you.
    1. Kadex
      Kadex 21 March 2016 17: 16
      +6
      Thanks for your kind words. hi
      I hope you did not have to "dump" from Kazakhstan, from greater "obscurantism", where "svidomo" Kazakhs "fought". laughing
      1. excomandante
        excomandante 21 March 2016 19: 05
        -3
        Antiqued please? Unpleasant to remember? And how unpleasant it was for those who were forced to flee from stoned Kazakh people, abandoning apartments and households. I talked, for example, with a pilot of the agricultural aviation, so they flew to our region in 1992, putting their families on airplanes, as Svidomo Kazakhs, having settled down, dodged the crowd around the city, beating up Russian men and raping girls. At least out of respect for the memory of those who died then at the hands of nationalist ub. Bastards - stop grimacing and pretending not to know about it. And there is no reason to laugh here for the slightest.
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 21 March 2016 22: 44
          -1
          Quote: excomandante
          Antiqued please? Unpleasant to remember? And how unpleasant it was for those who were forced to flee from stoned Kazakh people, abandoning apartments and households. I talked, for example, with a pilot of the agricultural aviation, so they flew to our region in 1992, putting their families on airplanes, as Svidomo Kazakhs, having settled down, dodged the crowd around the city, beating up Russian men and raping girls. At least out of respect for the memory of those who died then at the hands of nationalist ub. Bastards - stop grimacing and pretending not to know about it. And there is no reason to laugh here for the slightest.

          The same thing happened in Azerbaijan. National Front.
          And then ... on the list.
        2. Kadex
          Kadex 21 March 2016 23: 42
          +5
          Grimace ?! And this is written by the author of "funny freaks", calling for respect? And then, it's funny to read outright stupidity, serious handsome men.
          Quote: excomandante
          pressed this "Chingizid" bastard

          or
          Quote: excomandante
          brainless sorrow-genghisides

          Just to blurt out, huh?
          It's all the same, what to say: "they pressed the Romanov bastard" or "the brainless unfortunate Rurikovichs"
          Further, what does "svidomye" have to do with the Kazakhs? You are a victim of talking boxes and gossip. You can just as well shout about "Svidomo" Americans, Germans, Russians, Eskimos, even penguins.
  10. Stinger
    Stinger 21 March 2016 09: 13
    0
    Well, yes ... And you get the Saudi People's Democratic Republic. Like the already forgotten People's Democratic Republic of Yemen. Been there on a business trip. It ended quickly. In Aden, the guys with AK-47s came to the "parliament", they put all of them down and declared their "democracy". No one can burn out clannishness in Asia.
    1. ABC
      ABC 21 March 2016 21: 48
      +7
      Quote: excomandante
      Antiqued please? Unpleasant to remember? And how unpleasant it was for those who were forced to flee from stoned Kazakh people, abandoning apartments and households. I talked, for example, with a pilot of the agricultural aviation, so they flew to our region in 1992, putting their families on airplanes, as Svidomo Kazakhs, having settled down, dodged the crowd around the city, beating up Russian men and raping girls. At least out of respect for the memory of those who died then at the hands of nationalist ub. Bastards - stop grimacing and pretending not to know about it. And there is no reason to laugh here for the slightest.

      You can clarify where exactly "Svidomo Kazakhs, having gotten used to it, ran around the city in a crowd, beating Russian men and raping girls", there are some doubts, I would like to dispel them
  11. Zhar2012
    Zhar2012 21 March 2016 09: 31
    +11
    Well, there’s a great northern neighbor. Which mess in the broom is not needed. I often hear, oh, Russia, Crimea has spoiled. Now it will take over northern Kazakhstan. Nonsense. The northern neighbor does not need a mess in the rear. Kazakhstan is the southern airbag and the longest border. This is a match for the Ural industrial region and a bottleneck on the way to the far east. If the Russian leadership is not stupid, but it is not stupid, then in Kazakhstan everything will be fine.
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 21 March 2016 09: 59
      +3
      In general, I agree with you. I do not agree on the little things. One of which: not everything depends on the Russian Federation. She's not a "god". Kazakhstan chooses its own internal policy. And in some places it is not a "cake". I was forced to leave there. The local indigenous population did not give me a pass. Although I am not a freak and not a representative of non-traditional sexual minorities. Just a medium-sized guy with glasses. With pale skin. Which I really wanted to humiliate those who did not have financial well-being. There are no problems with this in Russia. At least in Siberia.
  12. Berber
    Berber 21 March 2016 09: 45
    +4
    Quote: Hiking
    What a provocative little article, what are such constant ethnic conflicts, what nonsense?

    The national question has always stood. You don’t just don’t know what happened with the Russians in the 90s. It all calmed down later.
  13. igorra
    igorra 21 March 2016 10: 19
    +2
    Forgive me colleagues, but the only way is once again the request of the Kazakhs for reunification with Russia. The other is not given or fall apart or the Chinese devour. While at the helm in the Asian republics more or less strong leaders are calm, then sharing, take for example the Uzbeks. Is it not so for the Kazakhs themselves? The eastern mentality is familiar, not so long ago in our republic the notorious Babai ruled, would not have been part of Russia, I don’t know what the sharing would have led us to, and so Putin threatened with a finger and all the local princely bais resolved in the corners.
  14. Super Black
    Super Black 21 March 2016 10: 45
    +6
    A lot of Russians got dumped from there. If there were about 60% of white people on the streets of Alma-Ata before, now about 20 cattle breeders are all around. After leaving the nurik, the prospect is not promising.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 March 2016 11: 25
      +4
      There are many so-called oralmans in Kazakhstan now, repatriated Kazakhs, immigrants from Mongolia and China, who are quite different from the former Soviet Kazakhs.
    2. Kadex
      Kadex 21 March 2016 17: 30
      +6
      Quote: Super Black
      If before white faces on the streets of Alma-Ata ...

      Are you racist?
      As for pastoralists, this is hard and not always grateful work. It’s not for you to knock on the keys, talking about our future. Live your life and you will be happy.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 21 March 2016 23: 04
        -4
        Quote: KADEX
        Quote: Super Black
        If before white faces on the streets of Alma-Ata ...

        Are you racist?
        As for pastoralists, this is hard and not always grateful work. It’s not for you to knock on the keys, talking about our future. Live your life and you will be happy.

        That is yes. But the herder is unlikely to be able to give a lecture on neurolinguistics, we live in some century, remember? With noble, hard-working cattle breeders, you can not even talk about any prospect.
        1. Kadex
          Kadex 21 March 2016 23: 50
          +8
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          That is yes. But the herder is unlikely to be able to give a lecture on neurolinguistics, we live in some century, remember? With noble, hard-working cattle breeders, you can not even talk about any prospect.

          That is yes. But, not every Kazakh is a cattle breeder, just like a white man is a professor. And then, after all, it is difficult to talk about the prospect with the collective farmer.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 21 March 2016 23: 06
        -2
        Quote: KADEX
        Are you racist?


        Racism among Russians living in Central Asia, in 99% of cases, arises as a response to the "yellow racism" of the locals!
        1. Kadex
          Kadex 21 March 2016 23: 58
          +6
          Do not believe it, but in 99% of cases this is also a response. Apparently, we do not know how to value and respect each other ...
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 22 March 2016 22: 39
            0
            Quote: KADEX
            Do not believe it, but in 99% of cases this is also a response.


            I will not believe! The response to what? The Russians among themselves can say a lot about you - but in the eyes ... who wants to receive a term ?!
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  15. nemec55
    nemec55 21 March 2016 12: 40
    +1
    Nazarbayev will leave - fact, Will there be a big deal ???? No big but small ones will happen all over the country and what’s most interesting will be like in Kyrgyzstan when the Russians in fact were spectators as the Kyrgyz bicker among themselves Here they will also hate each other (Southerners-northerners) and for the past 15 years or so we have been witnessing attempts to mix peoples by transferring civil servants north to south-south to north respectively with families and now they move live and work quietly hating each other until it smells. And when Russia (Russians) smells come as always to reconcile - this is a kind of oil between the rubbing details
  16. Semurg
    Semurg 21 March 2016 14: 27
    +1
    judging by the article and comments, the scribe is for Kazakhs and Kazakhstan without Russians and the Russian Federation, and this is approximately 90% of users have such an assessment. In the early years of Russian independence, there were 40% and Kazakhs 40%, now the Russian diaspora is in second place from 25% and it is declining due to the departure of young people and natural causes (average age of Russian RK 56 years), Kazakhs became 65% and average age 25 years . In 10-15 years, Uzbeks will become the second largest in number with 10% of the number and Kazakhs will reach 75-80%, this is the estimate of demographers. Kazakhs will come to a golden proportion for me, like in the Russian Federation where the state-forming ethnic group is 80% and 20% of the diaspora. It can be said that during the years of independence 50% of Russians left Kazakhstan, but Kazakhstan stands and develops, well, another 50% of the living people will leave, but this will not lead to disaster as many people vang on this branch. There are threats of Kazakh statehood such as religious extremism, small-town separatism, corruption and an inefficient state apparatus, but all states face these threats without exception (in the United States, Texas wants to secede, in England Scotland is trying to disconnect, well, in the Russian Federation with China not all is quiet and grace). You can talk about this kanesh, but to conclude on this that he is a scribe to the Kazakh state, is stupid or is it just your Wishlist.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 21 March 2016 14: 37
      +5
      The main threat to Kazakhstan is nadandyk, Kazakhs will understand. Lack of culture.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 21 March 2016 14: 51
        +4
        Quote: Zymran
        The main threat to Kazakhstan is nadandyk, Kazakhs will understand. Lack of culture.

        You know, lately I haven’t been traveling by bus for a long time, but a week ago the car was repaired and traveled by public transport, and what caught my eye was a clean stoppage of neither husk of seeds nor bulls, but for this it turned out it was necessary to just fine a couple dozen people.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 21 March 2016 14: 56
          +8
          Yes, it’s not only about cleanliness at stops. The point is the moral principles on which any healthy society should stand, but they do not exist. It is easy to flood the whole city with cops and see that no one, God forbid, throws a goby. It is more difficult to make throwing pieces of paper a bastard for any normal person.
          And the bulls are just the tip of the iceberg.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 21 March 2016 15: 13
            +5
            Being determines consciousness, Singapore also initially introduced draconian measures to impose purity, and now everything is going on automatically. Iceberg and starts from the top.
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      2. Weyland
        Weyland 22 March 2016 22: 52
        0
        Quote: Zymran
        The main threat to Kazakhstan is nadandyk,


        The main threat to Kazakhstan is cossack fang!

        If you do not know the subtleties of your native language so well, I’ll explain:
        "orysdyk" = rudeness, impudence, nationalism;
        "sartlyk" = cunning, greed, bargaining
        "kazaklik" = frivolity, inconstancy, treachery.
        But with self-criticism you are all right ... hi

        Interestingly, in the Volga region there is the word "ugly" - it means "stubborn and wayward" (from the Tatar "Urus" - "Russian"). smile
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    2. co-creator
      co-creator 21 March 2016 14: 48
      +3
      Who is after Nazarbayev? He is holding it for now. I hope you will not deny the clanship of the Kazakhs?

      The development of the Republic of Kazakhstan is its minerals, which are already almost all sold to foreign companies.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 21 March 2016 14: 54
        +5
        Not fossils sold but the right to mine or PSA.
        Clanism is precisely his merit. Our Russian comrades are very fond of frightening them with the fact that after him terrible southerners will come to power, forgetting that it is southerners who are now in power.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 22 March 2016 14: 22
          0
          Quote: Zymran
          Not fossils sold but the right to mine or PSA.
          Clanism is precisely his merit. Our Russian comrades are very fond of frightening them with the fact that after him terrible southerners will come to power, forgetting that it is southerners who are now in power.

          Well, like us, too, Yeltsin said laughing
          And what about the Russians here? This is your country and you have clans there. While Nazarbayev is holding them, how it will be incomprehensible later. If you agree, then I will only be glad.
          But Russians have no place in Kazakhstan; this has long been clear to everyone. Young people will leave, and old people will die without any genocide. It suits you very much as I understand it.
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 22 March 2016 22: 35
          0
          Quote: Zymran
          Not fossils sold but the right to mine or PSA.


          And what's the difference in principle? They are best case scenario they will remove all the foams and leave poor, less profitable ores - and at worst they will spoil the mine so that even these poor ores are then digged out (I worked in the Kazatomprom system for 8 years, and I know firsthand how the joint venture operates!)
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 21 March 2016 15: 03
        +3
        Quotation: blooded man
        Who is after Nazarbayev? He is holding it for now. I hope you will not deny the clanship of the Kazakhs?

        The development of the Republic of Kazakhstan is its minerals, which are already almost all sold to foreign companies.

        Who is after Nazarbayev? we’ll choose someone, maybe not worse than the GDP and the National Academy of Sciences will, as I recall, the GDP appeared literally from nowhere. The basis of the economy is kanesh minerals, but they have useful value only when they are explored, recovered, earned and sold even for export, even on the domestic market and this is done by foreign and domestic companies. Do you think this is bad? then what is good?
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 22 March 2016 14: 19
          0
          Quote: Semurg
          Who is after Nazarbayev? we’ll choose someone, maybe not worse than GDP and ANAS will, as I recall, GDP appeared literally from nowhere

          As I understand it, you are comparing Nazarbayev with Yeltsin, and the elite with our oligarchs of those years?

          Quote: Semurg
          The basis of the economy is kanesh minerals, but they have useful value only when they are explored, recovered, earned and sold even for export, even on the domestic market and this is done by foreign and domestic companies. Do you think this is bad? then what is good?

          That's right, but this does not require a modern industry and just enough local Aborigines who will do the dirty work for those who are invited to extract, process and sell. Naturally, the local elite is needed to control Aboriginal people. The situation of the Russian Federation in the 90s of the beginning of the 2000s and today in Ukraine. For such an economy, Russians certainly are not needed, enough people in embroidered shirts or whatever you have there.
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 21 March 2016 23: 11
      0
      Quote: Semurg
      You can talk about this kanesh, but to conclude on this that he is a scribe to the Kazakh state, is stupid or is it just your Wishlist.


      Young man, ask the Kazakhs of the older generation if the Russians have come up with a proverb: "Kara kytai kaptasa - sary orys akendey bolar!" (I don't have Kazakh keyboard layout with "soft a" and "explosive k" - but I think you understand)

      PS By the way, if not a secret: why is Semurg and not Samruk? wink
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  17. Odysseus
    Odysseus 21 March 2016 14: 50
    +6
    Citizen Kabardin moved from insane articles about the DPRK to even more insane articles about Kazakhstan. Here is a pearl on a pearl and a pearl drives. What is the thesis about the "postcolonial" status of Kazakhstan. Moreover, 10 lines earlier Kazakhstan was characterized in the opposite way, as a "nomenclature Soviet project ".
    Try to think about this "thesis". What is "nomenclature"? This is a system of selection and appointment of personnel. How can the Republic of Kazakhstan (as well as Russia, Ukraine, etc.) be a "nomenclature" project? Yes, no, it's gibberish, an oxymoron. Something like a phrase, dry water.
    And so the whole article continues, from which we can conclude that Mr. Kabardin simply does not understand the meaning of the words and terms he uses. The second conclusion is that, judging by the proposal to “divide the powers,” the author is a big fan of Western society (which he most likely does not know) .Of course, in real life an attempt to "divide the powers" will lead to the complete collapse of Kazakhstan, this is exactly what should not be done in any case.
    In general, the article is similar to the articles of the Maidan people of the end of 2013, which criticizes the "corrupt post-Soviet regime of Yanukovych" and offers "European reforms" as an "alternative" with the strengthening of the role of parliament, the creation of a "real separation of powers", the fight against corruption, the creation of "civil society ", etc.
    The result of these "reforms", as they say, is on the face.
    1. SklochPensioner
      SklochPensioner 21 March 2016 16: 03
      +3
      Quote: Odyssey
      Here the pearl on the pearl and the pearl drives.


      In some places, it seems like a careless translation into Russian. The author of the article does not commit plagiarism for an hour? Joke. smile
      Nazarbayev good health, Kazakhs wisdom, and we need time ... peace in the south
  18. Zymran
    Zymran 21 March 2016 14: 52
    +3
    There are no alternatives to European reforms; it’s another matter that when they are planted from above, it doesn’t lead to anything good.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 21 March 2016 14: 59
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      There are no alternatives to European reforms

      Well, if you hate Kazakhstan fiercely and want to liquidate it, then carry out "European reforms".
    2. excomandante
      excomandante 21 March 2016 19: 01
      -4
      One more "Europeans" on our head ... Are the long-awaited homosexual parades dreaming?
  19. Vadim42
    Vadim42 21 March 2016 15: 35
    +4
    The article is worthless, without real analysis. Parliamentary rule in Kazakhstan will lead to a large redistribution of business (seven-boyars). Moreover, there will be many assistants in democratization. And the Kazakhs should not be offended by Russia, thanks to the 1917 revolution, the peoples that were part of the RSFSR were trained to read and write and equalized in failure.
  20. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 21 March 2016 15: 47
    +3
    in the Kyrgyz Republic a mixed presidential-parliamentary system. I remember Nazarbayev spoke badly about us. And now he decided to also go wink
    1. Kadex
      Kadex 21 March 2016 17: 44
      +7
      Of course, for some, undivided presidential power, not limited to anyone. Well, others do not need such privileges. laughing
  21. Aposlya
    Aposlya 21 March 2016 18: 08
    +2
    Quote: KG_patriot_last
    Remember Nazarbayev then spoke badly about us. And now he also decided to go


    And what did he say there and when?
  22. Atigay
    Atigay 21 March 2016 23: 54
    +5
    Yes, the experts are here. What to say about Kazakhstan? We periodically rejoice at our situation, sometimes grieve. Yes, thank God we avoided war. This is the greatest merit of the NAS. Or are we still a people with reason? Yes, we have escaped poverty. This is the greatest merit of nature, which gave us oil and gas. Or aunts who in the 90s carried their entire turnover on their hump? Yes, we have 100 with something nations and we live in peace. A showdown with bandits does not count. Who provided this? NAS, people? In general, what to talk about?
    But we must talk about the future. This is more correct. So what do we have in the future? Poverty and war, or peace and development? Elections will not give you an answer. Since things should be called by their proper names. And let's look at the tenge rate at least this year. It is clear that before the election, no, no. What next? I think 500, 750, 1000 tenge per dollar. And hyperinflation. Who's guilty? And the one who did not create his industry, the internal circulation of money, did not create a cult of patriotism, but created a mafia, a nation of thieves, a cult of an egoist, a cult of the dollar. So who is to blame? NAS? People?
  23. Grizli-666
    Grizli-666 22 March 2016 01: 48
    +1
    a real division of responsibility will inevitably lead to a shift of persons, exclusion of frankly unsuccessful personnel from the management system.

    Yeah, heavenly grace will immediately come and all the places will be taken by super professionals. Immediately felt in the author of a fan of mantras about "changeability" and "the invisible hand of the market"
    strategy ”of the supreme authorities of neighboring Russia, which tightened all possible valves and nuts and patiently await the inevitable social explosion.

    What nuts did the Russian government tighten? Who is the author in general, does anyone know who this is Igor Kabardin
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 22 March 2016 02: 14
      +1
      Quote: Grizli-666
      Who is the author in general, does anyone know who this is Igor Kabardin

      Go through the forum search, there are many of his articles.

      IMHO alarmist and a small (to put it mildly if) an analyst.

      PS: I said IMHO stop
  24. Mig-31
    Mig-31 22 March 2016 02: 21
    +2
    Quote: Alphabet
    A small amendment, Nazarbayev is not building a mono-ethnic state, but his own khanate and he really does not care about Russians, Kazakhs, Germans, Tatars and other citizens of the country. I live in a region where the percentage of the Kazakh population is more than 96% and you never know, I've never heard anyone say here: bring the Russians home. There are Russian friends, I was specifically interested in them about nationalism, they say that everything is fine.
    Hear normally, and judging by the comments, (I’m not specifically addressing you, I’m everyone), almost hunting for Russians

    Yes, they always see Kazakh nationalism. Although, in Kazakhstan, thank God, there are no zigging skinheads, unlike our neighbors, as they say "whose cow would moan."
  25. Mig-31
    Mig-31 22 March 2016 02: 33
    +2
    Quote: KADEX
    Grimace ?! And this is written by the author of "funny freaks", calling for respect? And then, it's funny to read outright stupidity, serious handsome men.
    Quote: excomandante
    pressed this "Chingizid" bastard

    or
    Quote: excomandante
    brainless sorrow-genghisides

    Just to blurt out, huh?
    It's all the same, what to say: "they pressed the Romanov bastard" or "the brainless unfortunate Rurikovichs"
    Further, what does "svidomye" have to do with the Kazakhs? You are a victim of talking boxes and gossip. You can just as well shout about "Svidomo" Americans, Germans, Russians, Eskimos, even penguins.

    Don’t pay attention to these skinhead skinheads, you can’t prove anything to them, they will always bark like jackals.
  26. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 22 March 2016 04: 28
    0
    There is a lot to say about Kazakhstan, because I have never been there, but I think that after Nazarbayev it will be difficult there. Here is a quote from the article: "Nursultan Nazarbayev, obviously, foresees a sad ending in advance and is trying to prepare"According to the author, Nazarbayev's preparation comes down to constitutional reform, and my opinion is that Nazarbayev is preparing himself by speeding up integration with Russia.
    The author simultaneously touched upon the situation in Russia. Here I absolutely disagree with him.
    Before the eyes of the leadership of Kazakhstan is Russia, which has plunged headlong into a severe systemic crisis - Is Russia alone in a crisis or is it still a global crisis?
    In any case, it is much more explainable than the “strategy” of the supreme authorities of neighboring Russia, which tightened all possible valves and nuts and patiently wait for the inevitable social explosion. - Something I did not feel any twisting.
  27. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 March 2016 04: 39
    -4
    Kazakhs quickly forgot the dashing 90s. How many Russians didn’t leave of their own free will then? At best they sold everything on the cheap, or even abandoned property. The apartments gave the children of the steppes — they managed to build yurts in them))). here about skinheads, just the Russians are no longer those who could remain silent.
  28. mAgs
    mAgs 22 March 2016 11: 08
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    There are different places in Kazakhstan, we stopped visiting many of them, because there is no desire to go to places of rest as a war

    Dear Humpty, you will not believe, there are in my country and such places where, regardless of nationality, Khan too. Type: Oh! look, not local! However, in general, I still do not agree with the fact that the Russians were expelled from the country. I will specifically interview those who will not lie to me (friends, relatives and acquaintances) about the persecution of Russians in the 90s to the present day. I will try to publish. With respect.
  29. Drummer
    Drummer 22 March 2016 11: 19
    +3
    Unexpectedly sensible article. +
  30. Mig-31
    Mig-31 22 March 2016 13: 16
    +1
    Quote: mAgs
    Quote: Humpty
    There are different places in Kazakhstan, we stopped visiting many of them, because there is no desire to go to places of rest as a war

    Dear Humpty, you will not believe, there are in my country and such places where, regardless of nationality, Khan too. Type: Oh! look, not local! However, in general, I still do not agree with the fact that the Russians were expelled from the country. I will specifically interview those who will not lie to me (friends, relatives and acquaintances) about the persecution of Russians in the 90s to the present day. I will try to publish. With respect.

    Those Russians who dumped their historical homeland from the Republic of Kazakhstan in the 90s, arrived in Russia, came up with Kazakh nationalism in order to arouse pity and sympathy for the locals, telling them that the Kazakhs were Nazis, they cut out half of the Russian population, that we were barbarians and all that, and what could they say that the Kazakhs were good, but we dumped RK because ekonomika was in the pope?
    1. mAgs
      mAgs 22 March 2016 14: 21
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      Everything is possible, but I can’t find out the opinions of those who left for the 90, as I don’t have the opportunity to meet them. With respect.
    2. mAgs
      mAgs 22 March 2016 14: 21
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      Everything is possible, but I can’t find out the opinions of those who left for the 90, as I don’t have the opportunity to meet them. With respect.
    3. co-creator
      co-creator 22 March 2016 14: 34
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      Quote: Mig-31
      Those Russians who dumped their historical homeland from the Republic of Kazakhstan in the 90s, arrived in Russia, came up with Kazakh nationalism in order to arouse pity and sympathy for the locals, telling them that the Kazakhs were Nazis, they cut out half of the Russian population, that we were barbarians and all that, and what could they say that the Kazakhs were good, but we dumped RK because ekonomika was in the pope?

      Type in the Russian economy was very good and people ate from the belly? That is why the Russians abandoned their houses and apartments or sold for kopecks, what would become homeless in the Russian Federation?

      You are disrespectable Moldavian nations before writing, think about what you write.
    4. Weyland
      Weyland 22 March 2016 23: 04
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      Quote: Mig-31
      what could they say that the Kazakhs were good, but we dumped RK because ekonomika was in the pope?


      In Russia, the economy was in the same place - in addition, the rampant crime was much steeper than in Kazakhstan! And who was talking about "cut out"? Squeezed out!
    5. Weyland
      Weyland 22 March 2016 23: 04
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      Quote: Mig-31
      what could they say that the Kazakhs were good, but we dumped RK because ekonomika was in the pope?


      In Russia, the economy was in the same place - in addition, the rampant crime was much steeper than in Kazakhstan! And who was talking about "cut out"? Squeezed out!
  31. Mig-31
    Mig-31 22 March 2016 13: 25
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    Kazakhs quickly forgot the dashing 90s. How many Russians didn’t leave of their own free will then? At best they sold everything on the cheap, or even abandoned property. The apartments gave the children of the steppes — they managed to build yurts in them))). here about skinheads, just the Russians are no longer those who could remain silent.

    Why not about skinheads?
  32. Mig-31
    Mig-31 22 March 2016 15: 23
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    Quotation: blooded man
    Quote: Mig-31
    Those Russians who dumped their historical homeland from the Republic of Kazakhstan in the 90s, arrived in Russia, came up with Kazakh nationalism in order to arouse pity and sympathy for the locals, telling them that the Kazakhs were Nazis, they cut out half of the Russian population, that we were barbarians and all that, and what could they say that the Kazakhs were good, but we dumped RK because ekonomika was in the pope?

    Type in the Russian economy was very good and people ate from the belly? That is why the Russians abandoned their houses and apartments or sold for kopecks, what would become homeless in the Russian Federation?

    You are disrespectable Moldavian nations before writing, think about what you write.

    Open your eyes and look at the profile, no matter what kind of Moldavian I am, I am Kazakh from RK, but about the fact that I hear from a typical Natsik.
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  34. nsws3
    nsws3 26 March 2016 12: 01
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    I was born and raised (up to 18 years) in the city of Dzhambul now Taraz, my aunt lives there still, the first thing I want to say is that after the independence of the Republic of Kazakhstan, they rushed to rename everything that related to Soviet (Russian), the first example is the very village of Buryl, the name under the USSR: the village of Rivne, nearby is Sarykemer, the old name of Mikhailovka. In these settlements, the vast majority of Russians and Germans lived, squeezed out. Squeezing goes gently, through school - education, which, to put it mildly, is not very. And those who received education in a Soviet school see that they are teaching their children, trying to leave, for the sake of the children, for the sake of their education, friends tell. Meanwhile, the responsible workers' professions remain with representatives of a non-titular nation, do not trust them, for example, the railroad: Kazakh driver assistants, but they are rarely sent to school for study and are rarely assigned. Yes, by the way, from exotic, so that true Kazakhs do not doubt that I really lived there, I can explain that there lived the daughter of Old Man Makhno, one of the districts of Taraz (Dzhambul) is called Taiwan (lived there) and I know what the end of Kirov means and my great-grandfather was an ulcom of Lenin Street. Well, in the end, in the 91, 92, the school fought for school, one of them was Kazakh (in particular, the 45, where the Aul Kazakhs studied) against our mixed, we Kazakhs were urban, who called the Aul Kazakhs otherwise like mambets.