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The referendum "on the preservation of the USSR" power deceived the people twice

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The referendum "on the preservation of the USSR" power deceived the people twiceExactly 25 years ago, the citizens of the Soviet Union voted to preserve the USSR at a special all-Union referendum. More precisely, they believed that they were voting precisely for this, but the reality turned out to be much more complicated. It included not only betrayal, when the Union was dissolved without regard to the plebiscite, but also a much more multi-staged lie.


A quarter of a century ago, Soviet citizens came to the polls to speak out about the fate of their country. There was a vote, which is still called a referendum on the preservation of the USSR. The overwhelming majority of those who voted - 76%, or 112 million people in absolute terms - were in favor. But for what exactly? Did citizens of the USSR understand that they were actually voting not for preservation, but for the collapse of the country?

Referendum as a shock therapy

The program of political and socioeconomic transformations proclaimed by Mikhail Gorbachev’s team almost immediately resulted in a sharp state crisis. Beginning in 1986, bloody conflicts on ethnic grounds flared up in the USSR. Initially, Alma-Ata, then the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, the pogroms in Sumgait, Kirovabad, the massacre in the Kazakh New Uzgen, the massacre in Fergana, the pogroms in Andijan, Osh, Baku. At the same time, the nationalist movements in the Baltic States that seemed to appear out of nowhere were rapidly gaining strength. From November 1988 to July 1989, the Estonian, Lithuanian, Latvian SSR consistently declared their sovereignty, soon followed by the Azerbaijan and Georgian SSR.
The majority of Soviet citizens in these conditions evaluated the processes taking place in the country - and this must be recognized! - completely inadequate. It almost did not occur to anyone that the conflicts on the periphery could mean the rapid collapse of the country. The union seemed unshakable. There were no precedents for secession from the Soviet state. There was no legal procedure for secession of the republics. People waited for restoring order and normalizing the situation.

Instead, 24 December 1990, the IV Congress of People’s Deputies suddenly put to the vote the following questions: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as a single state?”, “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR socialist system?”, “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the renewed Union of Soviet Power? ”Following the congress, at the request of Mikhail Gorbachev, decided to submit the issue of preserving the USSR to an all-union referendum.

In the resolution on its conduct, the only question for the Soviet people was formulated as follows: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed”. And the answer options are “yes” or “no.”


From the USSR to Russia: how our country has changed in thirty years

Some assessments of this document have been preserved, which is interesting - from the anti-Soviet-minded democratic public. Thus, the people's deputy of the USSR, Galina Starovoytova, spoke of the "piling up of contradictory and even mutually exclusive concepts." And the human rights activist, a member of the Moscow Helsinki Group, Malva Landa, stated: “The question is sly, it’s intended that people will not be able to figure it out. This is not one, but at least six questions. ” True, human rights activists and democrats at that time believed that this confusion was specially created by the Communists to conceal in a fog the vague wording of future “unpopular and anti-people actions” to stifle free thinking and return back to Brezhnev times.
In one thing, they were not mistaken - the vague wording really served to conceal future "unpopular and anti-people actions." But with the exact opposite sign.

For what (or against what) was it proposed to vote for the citizens of the country? For the preservation of the USSR? Or for a new polity - an updated federation? What is it and how to relate to the phrase "federation ... sovereign republics"? That is, the Soviet people simultaneously voted for the preservation of the USSR, and for the “parade of sovereignties”?

The referendum was held in nine Soviet republics. Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia held a referendum on their territory sabotaged, although the vote did not bypass them - they were joined to the “private order” by the example of South Ossetia, Transdniestria, Gagauzia, and northeastern regions of Estonia. Not everything went smoothly and where the plebiscite was fully implemented. Thus, in the Kazakh SSR, the wording of the question was changed to: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as a Union of equal sovereign states?” In Ukraine, an additional question was included in the bulletin: “Do you agree that Ukraine should be part of the Union of Soviet Sovereign states on the basis of the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine? ". In this and in another case (and obviously not by chance) the new state was called the Union of Sovereign States (VCC).

Reassembly - the result of restructuring

The question of reorganizing the USSR was raised at the end of the 1980s. Initially, it was about amending the Constitution with the aim of restructuring life "on democratic principles." The riots that began in the country, and then the “parade of sovereignties” with the announcement of the priority of republican legislation over the union legislation, caused a reaction to a considerable degree paradoxical. Instead of suspending reforms before restoring order and establishing the rule of law throughout the country, it was decided to force reforms.
In December, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR as a whole approved a draft of the new Union Treaty proposed by Mikhail Gorbachev in December, replacing the document in force with 1990, uniting the country into a single whole. That is, in the conditions of increasing disintegration of the state, the first president of the USSR decided to disassemble the country and re-assemble it on new principles.

What was the basis of this Union? The draft of the Union Treaty was finalized in the spring and summer of 1991, during numerous meetings and meetings with republican leaders at the Gorbachev country residence in Novo-Ogarevo. The president of the country actively discussed rebuilding the state with the growing national elites. The final version of the Treaty on the Union of Sovereign States (SSG - a surprising coincidence with the Kazakh and Ukrainian bulletins, isn’t it?) Was published in the Pravda newspaper 15 August 1991. In particular, it said: “The states that form the Union, have full political power, independently determine their national-state structure, the system of government and management”. Questions of the formation of the law-enforcement system, of their own army were transferred to the jurisdiction of the states already, and not even the "sovereign republics" (the masks were dropped), they could independently act on the foreign policy arena on a number of issues.

The new Union of sovereign states, therefore, was only a relatively civilized form of divorce.

But what about the referendum? He perfectly fit into the logic of the processes. Recall that in December 1990, the draft of the new Union Treaty was approved for work, on March 17 a referendum was held on “preserving the USSR” with a very vague wording of the question, and already on March 21 1991, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a decree that casually stated: “For the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics were in favor ... 76% of voters. Thus, the position on the preservation of the USSR on the basis of democratic transformations was supported. ” Consequently, "the state bodies of the USSR and the republics (should) be guided by the decision of the people ... in support of the renewed (!) Union of Soviet Socialist Republics." On this basis, the President of the USSR is recommended to “work more energetically towards the completion of work on a new Union treaty in order to sign it as soon as possible.”

Thus, the new Union Treaty and the strange formation of the VAC by means of simple manipulations were legitimized through the referendum of the 1991 of the year.

Paternalism, costly

The signing of the new Union Treaty was thwarted by the August coup of 1991. It is characteristic that in his address to the people, speaking of some forces (but not naming them directly), who set the course for the collapse of the country, the Emergency Committee opposed them with the results of the March referendum "on the preservation of the USSR". That is, even high-ranking government officials did not penetrate into the essence of the multi-way manipulation that had happened before their eyes.
After the failure of the coup, Gorbachev prepared a new draft of the Union Treaty - even more radical, already about a confederation of states - former Soviet republics. But its signing was thwarted by local elites, who were tired of waiting, and behind Gorbachev’s back, disbanded the USSR in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. However, it is enough to look at the text of the treaty, on which the president of the USSR worked, in order to understand that he was preparing us all the same CIS.

In December, the 1991 of the year in Ukraine passed another referendum - already on independence. 90% of those who took part in the voting were in favor of “independence”. Today, a shocking video of that time is available on the Web - journalists interview Kiev residents at the exit from polling stations. The people who have just voted for the collapse of the country are fully confident that they will still live in a single Union, with common production and economic ties and a single army. "Independence" was perceived as a kind of eccentricity of power. Absolutely paternalistic citizens of the disintegrated USSR believed that the leadership knew what it was doing. Well, for some reason, he wanted to hold several referendums (in a country democratization, maybe it’s really necessary?), We don’t feel sorry, we will vote. In general (and on this score there was iron confidence) nothing fundamentally changes ...

It took many years to treat this ultrapatternalism and an extremely distant view of politics through a lot of blood.

Surrealism of what is happening is confusing not only ordinary people. After the formalization of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Mikhail Gorbachev’s resignation, the leadership of a number of republics was still awaiting instructions from Moscow. And it was extremely puzzled that such instructions were not received, interrupting phones in an attempt to contact the no longer existing Allied center.
Much later, in 1996, the State Duma of the Russian Federation adopted a resolution “On the legal force for the Russian Federation - Russia of the results of the USSR referendum 17 of March 1991 on the issue of preserving the USSR”. And since there was no other referendum on this issue, it declared illegal the decree of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR of 1991 of the year “On Denunciation of the Treaty on the Establishment of the USSR” and legally recognized the USSR as an existing political entity.

That is, even the deputies of the Russian State Duma, five years after the referendum, still believed that it was “about preserving the USSR”. That, as we have seen at least from the wording of the question, does not correspond to reality. The referendum was about reformatting the country.

This, however, does not completely abolish the paradoxical fact that people - citizens of the country, in spite of everything, without delving into the wording, voted precisely for the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. That's just all 112 million voted subsequently cynically deceived.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 March 2016 06: 43
    +28
    That is, in conditions of increasing disintegration of the state, the first president of the USSR decided to disassemble and rebuild the country on new principles.

    The labeled "disassembled the country", but did not even think about "reassembling". Judge for the collapse of the humpback.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 19 March 2016 07: 43
      +22
      Quote: aszzz888
      The labeled "disassembled the country", but did not even think about "reassembling". Judge for the collapse of the humpback.


      Not just to judge. We know how our courts judge. And it would be nice to hang like Mussolini
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 19 March 2016 08: 40
        +19
        Well then, all together we wish M.S. Gorbachev good health and longevity.

        So that he not only survived to the tribunal, but also in prison, at least a dozen more looked at the sky in the cell.
    2. In100gram
      In100gram 19 March 2016 16: 39
      +8
      Kicha has been missing him for a long time. The Nobel Prize winner of JUDAH. Such a state betrayed angry
  2. EvgNik
    EvgNik 19 March 2016 06: 44
    +47
    I absolutely do not remember the wording of the question in the referendum. But so far I was sure that we voted For the preservation of the USSR. As, however, and all my friends.
    The numbers in the table are largely strained, do not reflect reality. Drug addiction - yes, it was less and mainly in the southern regions and Ukraine. Alcoholism - the figure for today is underestimated, since it displays alcohol sold in stores. And the people (especially on the periphery have long since switched to moonshine and in the most severe cases (many deaths from poisoning) to alcohol. Alcoholic beverages sold in stores are falsified by more than 90%.
    Advertising - "the engine of progress!" (Three times ha-ha) is used to raise the prices of goods, in particular essential drugs, which, by definition, do not need advertising.
    17% of Russian cinema? Misconception. We can say - films released in Russia, but according to Western standards.
    Yes, and about freedom of movement. Everything seems normal, get a passport and go wherever you want. But. Where can I go to a pensioner for 6-12 thousand rubles a month, or a worker for 15-20 thousand (besides having a family, children?). so the declared is suitable for a few percent of the population.
    At the same time, there is uncertainty about the future for all categories of citizens, except for the "untouchable."
    I did not cover everything, of course - but "you cannot embrace the immense" (C).
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 March 2016 07: 28
      +14
      Quote: EvgNik
      At the same time, there is uncertainty about the future for all categories of citizens, except for the "untouchable."


      The most important thing is indicated ... yes
    2. kitamo
      kitamo 19 March 2016 10: 57
      +4
      Quote: EvgNik
      Addiction - yes, it was less and mainly in the southern regions and in Ukraine.


      and why is this the conclusion about drug addiction in Ukraine? I live in Ukraine and have not heard about drug addiction, or are you making conclusions on poppy crops? so that poppy in every garden, for pies, grew, and not for what you thought, to the extent of your licentiousness ...
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 12: 45
        +19
        I remember how I went to the army in the 86th from a normal, completely stable country, and when we arrived in the 88th the first question for a bottle was: "What have you done with the country?"
        I am absolutely sure that the country was ruined with the help of our Judas in the supreme power.
        Everything was fine-tuned, from artificial scarcity to inciting ethnic conflicts.
        Of course, it was not without external influences, because it was not for nothing that the West spent enormous money on the collapse project.
        I am firmly convinced that the whole nation (with the exception of certain Judas) was exclusively against Gorbachev, but firmly for the preservation of the Union.
        Gorbachev coupons for sugar, vodka, pasta got everyone !!!
        I consider the collapse of the USSR a clearly planned phased operation involving recruited moles.
        The actions of Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Eltsin, Shevarnadze and kgbesh moles were clearly coordinated and planned.
        The counterrevolutionary coup took place exclusively from above, and for this the collective governance of the country was destroyed, the cementing role of the party was destroyed and the alien institution of the presidency was introduced.
        And it should be noted that most of the people would NEVER agree to the transition to capitalism, all wanted to remove Gorbachev.
        TVA.R. and took advantage of the credulity of the people !!! and ebn acted as a Trojan horse.
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 19 March 2016 15: 41
          -9
          Simple as that! Took and ruined.
          You try to ruin America or Germany. Try to ruin England. Nothing will come of it.
          So this is not the point, but in the deep contradictions of the Soviet system.
          1. Lord blacwood
            Lord blacwood 19 March 2016 19: 34
            +3
            The USA used the contradictions of the Soviet system, and with the help of an illiterate ruler and traitors, they destroyed the USSR.
      2. igor67
        igor67 19 March 2016 14: 18
        -1
        Quote: kitamo
        Quote: EvgNik
        Addiction - yes, it was less and mainly in the southern regions and in Ukraine.


        and why is this the conclusion about drug addiction in Ukraine? I live in Ukraine and have not heard about drug addiction, or are you making conclusions on poppy crops? so that poppy in every garden, for pies, grew, and not for what you thought, to the extent of your licentiousness ...

        I don’t agree, the addiction was not weak, I had horrors in the courtyard, the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s, almost all did not live up to 30 years, poppy from the flower beds was cut out, the police took them all, beat them and released them,
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 19 March 2016 15: 53
          +3
          Quote: igor67
          I do not agree, the addiction was not weak, in my yard there were horrors of narcotics, the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s

          Where do you have it? in which region, at least. We had nothing of the kind.
          1. igor67
            igor67 19 March 2016 18: 35
            -3
            Quote: EvgNik
            Quote: igor67
            I do not agree, the addiction was not weak, in my yard there were horrors of narcotics, the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s

            Where do you have it? in which region, at least. We had nothing of the kind.

            Ukraine Sumy region, so in 85 was in Crimea, with me there was a guy from Vlidivostok in my room, in short went on a tour the Vorontsov Palace, a great place is a sea of ​​flowers and naturally poppy, he had a gauze blade with him, he tried to cut it off, as they approached two guys came to him and politely asked: did you plant this? Therefore, to say that I didn’t see drug addicts, it’s not serious, another moment in 80 was in a pioneer camp, we had a counselor and an assistant, veterans of Afghanistan, to see the first, as a result they were kicked out, they were stabbed for the house
            1. Roman 11
              Roman 11 19 March 2016 22: 55
              +3
              Quote: igor67
              in our detachment there was a counselor and an assistant, veterans of Afghanistan, to see the first, as a result they were kicked out, they were stabbed for the house

              Hardcore !! And what is after this interest in people to everything that happens ?? But there are children nearby, the Ministry of Health was clearly not ready for such a development .... And yet this topic was suppressed and had a local character, suffice it to recall - Vysotsky was sitting tightly on the needle, but none of his close friends did this .... ....
            2. Wheel
              Wheel 20 March 2016 00: 03
              +5
              Quote: igor67
              another moment in 80 was in a pioneer camp, we had a counselor and an assistant, veterans of Afghanistan, to see the first, as a result they were kicked out, they were pricked behind the house

              You're lying a Jew!
              There was not and could not be in the summer of the 80th Afghan veterans.
              Troops were introduced from December 79th.
              The first rotation in 81 years.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 20 March 2016 00: 34
                +5
                Quote: Wheel
                You're lying a Jew!
                There was not and could not be in the summer of the 80th Afghan veterans.
                Troops were introduced from December 79th.
                The first rotation in 81 years.

                Thank you, Lesha! drinks And I somehow missed this koment request
                Of course he's lying !!! negative
                1. igor67
                  igor67 20 March 2016 11: 32
                  0
                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  Quote: Wheel
                  You're lying a Jew!
                  There was not and could not be in the summer of the 80th Afghan veterans.
                  Troops were introduced from December 79th.
                  The first rotation in 81 years.

                  Thank you, Lesha! drinks And I somehow missed this koment request
                  Of course he's lying !!! negative

                  And why do I need this? Olin writes that there was no drug addiction at all,. Dart Circus
                  1. Wheel
                    Wheel 20 March 2016 12: 03
                    +3
                    Quote: igor67
                    And why do I need this? Olin writes that there was no drug addiction at all,. Dart Circus

                    Why did you, Jew, start to confuse letters?
                    Are you nervous?
                    Calm down, your provocation does not roll.
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 20 March 2016 12: 24
                      -2
                      Quote: Wheel
                      Quote: igor67
                      And why do I need this? Olin writes that there was no drug addiction at all,. Dart Circus

                      Why did you, Jew, start to confuse letters?
                      Are you nervous?
                      Calm down, your provocation does not roll.

                      Hear you wheel, I’ve been repairing all Afghan mi24 85-89 for at least five years, at least I did something for them, and you suffocate with verbal diarrhea
                      1. Wheel
                        Wheel 20 March 2016 14: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: igor67
                        Hear you wheel, I’ve been repairing all Afghan mi24 85-89 for at least five years, at least I did something for them, and you suffocate with verbal diarrhea

                        Hey, Jew, you were repairing (perhaps, although a Jewish locksmith is an oxymoron), and I was across the river.
                        What was there and how I know firsthand.
                    2. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 23 March 2016 00: 30
                      +1
                      Zdadova, Alexey! soldier drinks
                      Are you all fighting? good
                      Do not pay attention ...
                      Melit "emelya" - his week laughing
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 23 March 2016 00: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: igor67
                    And why do I need this? Olin writes that there was no drug addiction at all,. Dart Circus

                    Quote: igor67
                    another moment in 80 was in a pioneer camp, we had a counselor and an assistant, veterans of Afghanistan in the squad,

                    Please do not write this anymore!
                    Thank you in advance for your understanding. soldier
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                2. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 20 March 2016 12: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Wheel
                  You're lying a Jew!
                  There was not and could not be in the summer of the 80th Afghan veterans.

                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  And I somehow missed this koment request
                  Of course he's lying !!! negative

                  Yes, there is nothing surprising here, and for the most part, users from Israel are paid trolls whose whole job is to lie on the USSR / Russia and all its allies.
                  1. sherp2015
                    sherp2015 23 March 2016 11: 16
                    0
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Yes, there is nothing surprising here, and for the most part, users from Israel are paid trolls whose whole job is to lie on the USSR / Russia and all its allies.


                    Yes, and perhaps dousing and bleeding among themselves the Slavic people ...
              2. igor67
                igor67 20 March 2016 11: 31
                -1
                Quote: Wheel
                Quote: igor67
                another moment in 80 was in a pioneer camp, we had a counselor and an assistant, veterans of Afghanistan, to see the first, as a result they were kicked out, they were pricked behind the house

                You're lying a Jew!
                There was not and could not be in the summer of the 80th Afghan veterans.
                Troops were introduced from December 79th.
                The first rotation in 81 years.

                Yes, as in the film of the same name: they did not report to me, so it was lying. But the fact remains
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 19 March 2016 15: 48
        +2
        Quote: kitamo
        and why is this the conclusion about drug addiction in Ukraine?

        Addiction in the south. First encountered in the army. Servants from the Caucasus and Central Asia were sent grass baked in bread and tortillas.
        Across Ukraine. After the army, a guy from Kiev came to see a friend. We drank - he didn't. But he emptied the first-aid kit (then, it turns out that many of the freely-sold pills could have been mischievous). So I learned about the "wheels". He said that many people use it in Kiev.
        So I say what I heard myself.
        1. SlavaP
          SlavaP 19 March 2016 20: 53
          +2
          Drug addiction in the South of Russia has always been, fortunately, poppy and hemp grew quietly there. In my former school (far from the worst in the city) in each of the senior grades 2-3 people regularly smoked "rubbish" and tried a lot, at least once. And everyone knew that.
    3. Alex
      Alex 19 March 2016 11: 44
      +8
      Add a little and comment.
      Quote: EvgNik
      Addiction - yes, it was less and mainly in the southern regions and in Ukraine. Alcoholism - the figure for today is underestimated, since it displays alcohol sold in stores.
      Most likely, almost adequate. I myself noticed that the level of alcohol consumption (albeit only taken into account) without a breakdown and almost at the minimum level for the USSR. But given the incredible increase in drug addiction, it becomes clear: there is an "alternative", damn it. For narcologists this is not news, they have long ranked alcohol and drugs as one social evil. So in general, things only got worse.

      Yes, and about freedom of movement. Everything seems normal, get a passport and go wherever you want.
      I agree, in theory, yes, simple. But in reality, the procedure for obtaining this passport is so bureaucratic (I don't even stutter about moral bullying) that it turns into some kind of marathon. And what countries can you go to even this way? Basically, the former eastern block and mostly "for purchases". Black Sea-Mediterranean region - rest and a little "shopping". That's all. There is practically no comparison with what the "democrats and common people" have come up with for themselves.
  3. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 19 March 2016 06: 45
    +24
    Well, why did you ruin your soul again? .. Until now, no one has uttered the word "Tribunal", but it would be necessary, at least to restore a little justice, it would be necessary to restore these three like in Nuremberg once with the chiefs ... Everything is so stupid and ineptly destroyed such a Power, not like the Chinese. I cry and my heart hurts ...
    1. venaya
      venaya 19 March 2016 07: 14
      +22
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Until now, no one has uttered the word "Tribunal", but it should be

      Yes, the former senior assistant to the USSR Prosecutor General V.I. Ilyukhin. On November 4, 1991, Ilyukhin opened a criminal case against the President of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev, under Article 64 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR (treason to the Motherland). Where is he now? Does anyone remember?
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 19 March 2016 07: 45
        +11
        Quote: venaya
        On November 4, 1991, Ilyukhin instituted criminal proceedings against President of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev under article 64 of the RSFSR Criminal Code (treason to the Motherland). Well, where is he now? Does anyone remember?


        Apparently, they liquidated him as well as Rokhlin and General Petrov ...
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 15: 16
        +8
        Quote: venaya
        Well, where is he now? Does anyone remember?

        On the night of March 19 to 20, 2012 State Duma deputy Viktor Ivanovich Ilyukhin suddenly died in the Moscow Region. The cause of death is acute heart failure, the Communist Party website reports. He recently turned only 62 years old.
        Victor Ilyukhin died at the age of 63 due to heart failure. However, members of the Communist Party are considering other versions of what happened, in particular, the “political component”. “He never complained about his heart, and we find it strange that he would suddenly die,” Nezavisimaya Gazeta quotes the words of the Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, State Duma deputy Sergei Obukhov.
        Recently, Ilyukhin was closely involved in the circumstances of the “Katyn incident”.
        Ilyukhin also accused the current president of the case:
        Viktor Ilyukhin "Putin. The Truth Better Not to Know"
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 March 2016 07: 19
    +2
    And as a consequence, in 1993, after a lot that happened - a would-be referendum. With a slogan at every corner: "yes - yes - no - yes".
  5. Good cat
    Good cat 19 March 2016 07: 22
    +5
    All the same, you must judge the humpback and the company!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 March 2016 07: 32
      +17
      Quote: Good cat
      All the same, you must judge the humpback and the company!


      It is necessary to judge not those who have “died” physically long ago, or remained to stink like a “political corpse”, but those who are now trying to go against the wishes of the people, for the sake of personal gain, spitting on the statehood of the country and ignoring the equality of all citizens before the law. ..
      hi
  6. forester
    forester 19 March 2016 07: 24
    +11
    The USSR was the RSFSR and 14 parasitic republics in which they lived much better than in the RSFSR due to the RSFSR
    1. Jmbg
      Jmbg 20 March 2016 03: 00
      +1
      For you, the allies were also parasites. Live alone if you like it. At first, China was scared away, then Eastern Europeans, and finally Soviet republics.
  7. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 19 March 2016 07: 32
    +9
    A referendum in Switzerland leads to a political decision.
    In Russia, it’s different. The authorities do not pay attention to its result if it does not coincide with the goals of the latter.
    The same goes for election results ...
  8. Gardener91
    Gardener91 19 March 2016 07: 36
    0
    In Ukrainian bulletins, the question was: “for an alliance agreement, or against it.” Everything! Nothing else.
  9. Dimy4
    Dimy4 19 March 2016 07: 48
    +2
    The picture shows the "second superpower", one of the superpowers will be more correct. My opinion.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 19 March 2016 07: 53
    +6
    Did the citizens of the USSR understand that in fact they vote not for preservation, but for the collapse of the country?.. Do not believe me, I understood, although I was young .. I did not go to the referendum .. Friends in the hostel tried to convince them otherwise .. But the events in the Baltic States and Georgia and the regions spoke of something else .. GKChP did not accept it .. I thought that it was so coups are not made .. Somehow some kind of "romance" was playing in my head during those three days, it seemed that our unit would be sent to guard or seize some administrative building smile ..n’t worked as usual .. except that there was an amplification, they patrolled, after the main work together with the riot police .. All this was, then still Leningrad ..
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 March 2016 08: 22
    +14
    Items I disagree with
    1 grain production has not increased. just sell more abroad. earlier bread was good, but now they don’t sell bread. thrown into the vat and a new one. how many times? Here you need to understand a little at least in such concepts as productivity. How many collective farm fields are overgrown with forest, but is there still more grain?
    2 distribution of cars. But the price of the issue? oil sales, loans, collectors.
    3Media yes then not everyone said. But now I do not turn on the TV, from the word at all, I do not read the newspaper.
    4 deficit. What was not in the USSR is not now. How much are REAL jeans now and where to buy them? Recently, walking around the shopping center, we went into one shop, I liked the jacket, I did not like the price. And now not everyone will be able to buy what was not in the USSR.
    And most importantly, CONFIDENCE IN THE FUTURE has already been said above.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 March 2016 09: 18
      -20%
      Quote: Gardamir
      Items I disagree with
      1 grain production has not increased. just sell more abroad. earlier bread was good, but now they don’t sell bread. thrown into the vat and a new one. how many times? Here you need to understand a little at least in such concepts as productivity. How many collective farm fields are overgrown with forest, but is there still more grain?
      2 distribution of cars. But the price of the issue? oil sales, loans, collectors.
      3Media yes then not everyone said. But now I do not turn on the TV, from the word at all, I do not read the newspaper.
      4 deficit. What was not in the USSR is not now. How much are REAL jeans now and where to buy them? Recently, walking around the shopping center, we went into one shop, I liked the jacket, I did not like the price. And now not everyone will be able to buy what was not in the USSR.
      And most importantly, CONFIDENCE IN THE FUTURE has already been said above.

      1. Yes. Imagine.
      How many fields are not processed, but there are still more grains. Because a hard worker, the owner is now really interested.
      Bread of good and delicious as much as you like. And the price in terms of calculation is the same. But you can buy a bread machine and bake bread at home of any desired grade.
      2. You can buy a car at any time. Any whatever you wish.
      In that socialist world they could not. The price of the issue is different - one hundred thousand tanks, thousands of combat missiles and aircraft. Small wars around the world. Dozens of beggars sitting on our necks "allies". Porg war. There was no time for civilian products.
      3. The media was a mockery of common sense. Instead of hundreds of newspapers, you could print one.
      Now you can communicate with the whole world. In that, the past era, you would be put in a fool. As a subversive element and an enemy of the people.
      4. Real jeans for a Soviet person were a pipe dream. For them it was necessary to give 2 salaries.
      Now for 2 salaries you will buy a dozen jeans. Any company for every taste. Or rather, not even a dozen but 2 dozen. There are discounts, sales. At the end of the season, the price may fall by half.
      If you do not hang around at expensive boutiques and go to the wholesale market, then the number of jeans bought from two salaries will exceed fifty, and you can choose a jacket there inexpensively out of a million proposed options.
      And most importantly. We went this way without a big war.
      The USSR would certainly get involved in such a war. We would now flaunt in chemical protection suits. And not in jeans.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 19 March 2016 09: 44
        +19
        1. Bread is disgusting, in comparison, even with the 90s.
        2. To take on credit?
        3. The current media is a mockery of common sense.
        4. It was about real jeans, not about the garbage that is for sale.
        The war is already underway. Only a minor does not notice this.
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 19 March 2016 15: 59
          -11%
          Quote: Darkness
          1. Bread is disgusting, in comparison, even with the 90s.
          2. To take on credit?
          3. The current media is a mockery of common sense.
          4. It was about real jeans, not about the garbage that is for sale.
          The war is already underway. Only a minor does not notice this.

          1. We go to different bakeries. I’m for example the same as 40 years ago.
          Do not buy products in unverified locations.
          2. You can and a loan. Often there are profitable options with small percentages. Remind you how it was before? The car queue is suitable, but half the money is gone. So, people ran around friends and relatives, occupied, humiliating and flattering eyes. Some of the coveted line sold to hot guys from the Caucasus. Volga in the black market was one and a half to two times more expensive.
          3. The current media - including our Internet, and this site on which you write. Note write what you want. And not that they will indicate in the party committee.
          4. What does real jeans mean? What are the criteria? The quality of the fabric, the paint, the number of rivets, labels ... well, do not tell me. The choice is the widest.
          From sweatpants to thick, tight pants, combined, and whatever.
          Not sewn in Alabama? Well, not awful. Half of the Fords and Sony are made in Malaysia and Thailand, but as they say find five differences.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 19 March 2016 17: 18
            +5
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            We go to different bakeries.

            We live in different dimensions, that is, in parallel worlds.
            I also go to the store that 40 years ago.
      2. sherp2015
        sherp2015 19 March 2016 10: 16
        +14
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        1. Yes. Imagine.
        How many fields are not processed, but there are still more grains. Because a hard worker, the owner is now really interested.
        Bread of good and delicious as much as you like. And the price in terms of calculation is the same. But you can buy a bread machine and bake bread at home of any desired grade.
        2. You can buy a car at any time. Any whatever you wish.
        In that socialist world they could not. The price of the issue is different - one hundred thousand tanks, thousands of combat missiles and aircraft. Small wars around the world. Dozens of beggars sitting on our necks "allies". Porg war. There was no time for civilian products.
        3. The media was a mockery of common sense. Instead of hundreds of newspapers, you could print one.
        Now you can communicate with the whole world. In that, the past era, you would be put in a fool. As a subversive element and an enemy of the people.
        4. Real jeans for a Soviet person were a pipe dream. For them it was necessary to give 2 salaries.
        Now for 2 salaries you will buy a dozen jeans. Any company for every taste. Or rather, not even a dozen but 2 dozen. There are discounts, sales. At the end of the season, the price may fall by half.
        If you do not hang around at expensive boutiques and go to the wholesale market, then the number of jeans bought from two salaries will exceed fifty, and you can choose a jacket there inexpensively out of a million proposed options.
        And most importantly. We went this way without a big war.
        The USSR would certainly get involved in such a war. We would now flaunt in chemical protection suits. And not in jeans.


        Bread is mostly of some suspicious taste, with dubious yeast.
        I still remember the taste of real Soviet bread produced according to GOST and not this, which is from feed grain ...
        Hundreds of thousands of enterprises were destroyed, so millions of people without permanent work, and therefore they are not talking about cars at all.
        As for jeans: for a hundred years they have not been needed, but many are not able to buy good, strong, high-quality shoes and clothes (not lousy china). Well, except for those who have regular jobs with a decent salary.
        As for the war ... But what about the millions of people who died as a result of perestroika, privatization, squandering property, soldering the population with alcohol and drug intoxication.
        Well, the lack of permanent work for a huge number of people in connection with the destruction (and what else?) Of industry in the country (I do not take Moscow and St. Petersburg and a dozen cities where there are factories with jobs) all this does not allow a significant part of the population take full advantage of civilization.
        1. SlavaP
          SlavaP 19 March 2016 21: 02
          +3
          Hmmm, good jeans here also "bite" and not even in boutiques but in ordinary chains like Marks & Spencer. My favorite Lee Brooklyn's are £ 50 and up and no sales. Well, this is so by the way. But for POWER it is insulting to tears! And it is even more offensive that in the early stages he himself voted somewhere out there, also not understanding what this would lead to. I confess.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 19 March 2016 22: 59
          +4
          In St. Petersburg, of course, there are factories. But there are much fewer than before. And it is not clear what they produce. Or factories. It seems that they live on rental premises. And I often think that, like, there are factories, but there is a working class I don’t feel like offending anyone and I don’t want to. I’m trying to figure out the opinions of other people. If there is no working class, like a class, but there are employees, managers, migrant workers, agents, teachers, military, then all .!!Those. what the States wanted.
          Ok, there is this site.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 23: 22
            +6
            Quote: Reptiloid
            If there is no working class as a class, but there are employees, managers, migrant workers, agents, teachers, military men, then they are all protected. !! That is. what the States wanted.

            The destruction of the working class was the main task of the current government.
            "The proletariat is the gravedigger of the bourgeoisie"
            They are afraid of the bourgeois workers, they are more afraid of death.
            1. Mobius
              Mobius 19 March 2016 23: 32
              +4
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              The destruction of the working class was the main task of the current government.
              "The proletariat is the gravedigger of the bourgeoisie"
              They are afraid of the bourgeois workers, they are more afraid of death.


              I would not call what is happening destruction. Power is fed by workers who create material wealth for it. And destroy us "at the root" for her, that she hangs herself.

              Rather, a stratification and decomposition company is being maintained that does not allow the consolidation of the working masses into a monolith.

              " Divide and rule !"
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 20 March 2016 00: 59
                +5
                Quote: Möbius
                I would not call what is happening destruction. Power is fed by workers who create material wealth for it. And destroy us "at the root" for her, that she hangs herself.

                Power is fed from an oil and gas needle, if Che.
                But how many workers are required to service the pipe?
                1. EvgNik
                  EvgNik 20 March 2016 05: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Wheel
                  But how many workers are required to service the pipe?

                  As Chubais said: 80% of the population is superfluous. Even the states say "only" 70%. And 20% will just serve the pipe.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 20 March 2016 08: 21
                +3
                I have the impression --- at first, workers, like engineers, were humiliated by non-payment of salaries. They humiliated for a long time and persistently, until the illness of children and themselves. Before flea markets. And people began to leave those professions that they had been growing for years. they were proud of their specialties! And now it turns out that Russia has become a cog in the transnational mechanism: CHINA wears clothes, shoes, Poland grows apples, etc.
                And it turns out - Turkey spends Russian money to the detriment of RUSSIA, Poland lives at the expense of Russia, prrr-ibaltas are bad if Russians do not eat their sprats, etc.
                But in Russia there’s 5 convoys of everyone except himself cattle. And they are. Kisel’s, Bazhena, but Makarevich is no longer heard.
            2. sherp2015
              sherp2015 23 March 2016 12: 42
              0
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              The destruction of the working class was the main task of the current government.
              "The proletariat is the gravedigger of the bourgeoisie"
              They are afraid of the bourgeois workers, they are more afraid of death.


              Definitely! The working class of the current government has not needed it for a hundred years. There are oil and gas pipes that give dollars and there are chain dogs that guard power
          2. sherp2015
            sherp2015 23 March 2016 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            here it seems, there are factories, but it seems that there is no working class? I’m afraid to offend anyone and don’t want to. I’m trying to figure out the opinions of other people. If there is no working class as a class, but there are employees, managers, migrant workers, agents, teachers, military, then all times.


            There is no working class, normal trade unions too
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 19 March 2016 10: 43
        +6
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        buy a bread machine and bake bread at home of any desired grade.

        You won’t even bake the good bread of their horseradish flour with your own hands.
        1. MrK
          MrK 19 March 2016 15: 05
          +8
          Thanks EvgNik. I will supplement it. The government introduced into the Duma a bill authorizing the baking of feed grain bread.
          The fact is that today, science has developed various chemical so-called "bread improvers", with additives of which you can bake outwardly attractive white bread from soft wheat varieties for the people.
          Today, Russians are already eating bread with useful, improving chemical additives. At the same time, the spread of infertility among the Russian population is rapidly growing - both female and male (approximately equally), which also contributes significantly to the successful solution of the food problem in modern Russia. (From the book by A. P. Kurlyandchik on Proza.ru)
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 16: 14
            +7
            Quote: EvgNik
            You won’t even bake the good bread of their horseradish flour with your own hands.

            Quote: mrark
            The government introduced into the Duma a bill authorizing the baking of feed grain bread.

            Friends, the whole point is that it is grain with high gluten that we sell over the hill, and feed for the lack of cattle, feed us.
            Friends have a bakery, so they don’t eat bread at all !!! They say that there is no bread in bread! As in meat sausage, in milk milk. From the country, the gentlemen made a food dump.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 19 March 2016 16: 20
              +5
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              it is grain with high gluten that we sell over the hill, and feed for lack of livestock, feed us.

              I worked in this area for 5 years. The problem is that in Russia there are literally a few factories capable of processing such grain. At the beginning of the zero, it was the Neva Mill in St. Petersburg and the Velikoluksky MelKombinat request
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 16: 23
                +5
                Quote: Ruslan67
                The problem is that in Russia there are literally a few combines capable of processing such grain

                Totally agree with you!
                It’s easier to say that these plants are simply not there.
                But there are victorious reports about the greatest export hi
            2. yuriy55
              yuriy55 19 March 2016 18: 00
              +7
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Friends, the whole point is that it is grain with high gluten that we sell over the hill, and feed for the lack of cattle, feed us.


              I don’t know what to say about the lack of cattle ... Yes, the caste of officials has long treated us like cattle and cattle ... soybeans, and do not drink "burned" vodka and other alcohol-diluted flavored dyes ...

              Bread ... Yes, when I was in college, there was a bakery opposite it. At night, when bread was baked, the smell reached our barracks. I run away, bring a couple of rolls and with a partner we’ll eat a roll, drinking water ... Not because of hunger, it was just delicious bread ...

              And now in the city to find normal bread is a problem. Around some bread crafts ...
            3. Wheel
              Wheel 20 March 2016 01: 06
              +4
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              and feed for lack of livestock feed us.

              Worse, not even fodder.
              The current "bakery improvers" make it possible to use flour from grain damaged by a bug-turtle, frosty, sprouted ...
              Once such a grain was not even allowed in fodder, but was used for the manufacture of alcohol and fodder yeast, and now it is for flour ...
      4. vlade99
        vlade99 19 March 2016 18: 56
        +5
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Real jeans for a Soviet man were a pipe dream

        But now you will not even see them on the fat asses of our pop stars. In 1982 I bought real Montana jeans for 160 rubles. And what you are now disassembling in butiKHAKH is Turkish Deribas.
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        You can buy a car at any time
        In 1962, my grandfather wanted to buy a car (mind you - not a car, which there are washing, dishwashers, etc. - be more literate) "Volga". I wanted and bought it.
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        can I buy a bread machine
        Can buy. And, where did you see the sale of high-quality rye flour and the right yeast?
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Media was a mockery of common sense
        Dumber and more depraved than the current media, only our deputies.
        1. SlavaP
          SlavaP 19 March 2016 21: 05
          0
          I do not know. My grandfather, for example, pulled only on Moskvich, while being a colonel.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 20 March 2016 00: 01
          -1
          Quote: vlade99
          Can buy. And, where did you see the sale of high-quality rye flour and the right yeast?

          do you know how to bake pure rye bread? belay Honestly, I envy. Share the secret.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 20 March 2016 02: 01
            +3
            There are many working recipes for pure rye bread.
            http://www.povarenok.ru/recipes/show/61116/
            Pretty time consuming, but very good result. Almost the same my grandmother baked.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 21 March 2016 21: 10
              +1
              Thank! I have to try. I read somewhere that they don’t do pure rye. And I didn’t even try.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 19 March 2016 10: 41
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      How many collective farm fields are overgrown with forest, but is there still more grain?

      We are all overgrown. There were people who wanted to rent, to grow - they did not give or strangled them with taxes. The bread is really inedible. We sell our high-grade, environmentally friendly, abroad, we buy cheap, modified gene. I bought the first jeans - English, sat like a glove, wore it for 8 years. Now - it's just a robe.
      Thanks to the author only for raising this topic again.
    3. Svateev
      Svateev 19 March 2016 13: 43
      +10
      Quote: Gardamir
      1 grain production has not increased. just sell more abroad.

      Right! The concept was replaced on the plate - export can not be judged on production, including grain. The largest crop of the RSFSR was in the region of 118 million tons, and the Russian Federation is proud of the crop in 90 million tons. Where did the grain for export come from now and why did the USSR import? It's simple: the USSR provided itself with meat, and a significant proportion of the grain harvest went to livestock, and still had to be imported. And the Russian Federation imports almost 50% of meat, so the grain remains and is exported. That is, even in agriculture, there was a strangulation of grain processing and the transition to its (raw) export.
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 19 March 2016 17: 51
        +4
        Here I agree with the person, for example, with us, few people bought meat, almost all of them grew their own in any quantities the family needed, my father drowned him in pork fat since none of the 6 children ate it, ate only meat, and the Germans who lived with us, deported to the war, so they generally didn’t really consider pigs in their private compound, 50 animals ran each))) Why? Yes, because low-quality grain was cheap for the population, elevators did not grind any deviations from the norm into flour, and you could buy at least a car for private needs, at least two. Now I don’t remember the prices, but mothers brought food for one small salary for the whole year and there was still one thing left. And now, to feed one salary a few pigs, it is necessary to feed the people and stopped breeding cattle, maybe one or two or more it turns out not profitable grain waste is too expensive. What do we have in the end? Grain for export, the population eats pasta, not meat.
  12. igorv501
    igorv501 19 March 2016 08: 37
    +5
    It is necessary to congratulate Mikhail Sergeevich on his birthday! I would give him a rope and soap!
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 16: 16
      +1
      Quote: igorv501
      I would give him a rope and soap!

      Aspen stake in his drawbar am
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 March 2016 18: 08
      0
      Quote: igorv501
      It is necessary to congratulate Mikhail Sergeevich on his birthday! I would give him a rope and soap!


      Yes, let him live and see that he could not ruin everything to the end ... The most worthy move for someone like him is to judge for treason and put an end to all his activities ...
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 18: 39
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        oh couldn’t ruin everything to the end ..

        there are too many followers:
        https://youtu.be/JPmMWcRajgI
        who wants to look.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 20 March 2016 05: 29
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        Yes, let him live and see that he could not ruin everything to the end.

        So he recently said that perestroika was not completed, and it would be necessary to complete it. And how to complete - guess?
  13. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 19 March 2016 08: 39
    +6
    As for freedom of movement. From 70 to 78 years, my mother (a master at a chemical plant) bought a ticket (or a savage) every summer, went to Sochi and took me with her (when I agreed 3 times). Now the prices are such that since 2000 my wife and I (both police officers) were able to get to Sochi only 2 times. And after I retired in 2010, they failed.
  14. atos_kin
    atos_kin 19 March 2016 09: 05
    +7
    Grave digger of the USSR became the apparatus of the CPSU.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 19 March 2016 09: 49
      +9
      Grave digger of the USSR became the apparatus of the CPSU.

      Gradually merged with major crime and covered him.
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 19 March 2016 10: 19
        +9
        Quote: Dimy4
        Gradually merged with major crime and covered him.



        I suspect that many of them: humpbacked Shirvanadze, Yakovleff, and others recruited, paid agents of foreign special services
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 19 March 2016 10: 52
          +8
          Quote: sherp2015
          I suspect that many of them

          And no need to suspect. Everything is extremely clear and unencrypted: the Nobel Peace Prize is given for outstanding services in a secret (or non-secret) war against Russia. To the labeled one - for perestroika, that is, the collapse of the USSR.
  15. midshipman
    midshipman 19 March 2016 09: 09
    +15
    Some data need to be clarified. 1. There were 12000 combat aircraft. 2. Apartments could be bought in the housing cooperative. A 3-room apartment in Leningrad cost 12 thousand rubles. 3. Film studios now produce 60 films a year, in France 459 films. 4. Complete collapse in education and healthcare. 5. The number of people living below the poverty line of 30% was 0 ;. 6. there was a lack of homeless people and unemployed 0%, currently unemployed 6% of the active population. 7. There were no street children, and now about 45 thousand.
    But for these achievements Gorbachev was awarded the Nobel Prize and he was awarded the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called. A drunk of All Russia created a memorial for budget funds.
    For the merits in creating the military hardware and equipment, I personally have government awards, decrees by which these two figures signed, the State Prize by order of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR. but this is not related to them. We were awarded by the people (as we think). I have the honor.
  16. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 19 March 2016 09: 24
    +13
    The death of the USSR for the majority of the older generation is a non-healing wound. The fact that decay is a crime is true for many. And why the responsible people will not be punished, it’s also clear that the authorities still have those who were ruining the Soviet Union. And, why this was possible, I still cannot answer this question unequivocally. Yes, and there can be no definite answer. And, I want to understand, if only so that the children do not make the mistakes of their parents.
    In our people, more precisely, the peoples are incompatible. Amazing credulity with suspicion, law-abiding majority, it does not seem strange, with disrespect for the authorities, humility to fate with the ability to rebel ....
    You cannot enter the river twice, "and therefore the USSR will never be again. It is necessary to try to return all the best from the Soviet past, and therefore I propose to consciously go to the elections this fall.
    PS Once again I’m convinced, the statistics are false. The number of murders in the USSR is comparable with the modern? M, yeah.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 19 March 2016 09: 46
      +5
      Go to the polls? Have you already returned the line "against all"?
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 19 March 2016 10: 11
        +4
        Quote: Darkness
        Go to the polls? Have you already returned the line "against all"?

        Yes, go. And participate. Not going to the polls or voting against is tantamount to voting for "United Russia". I will vote for the "Communist Party". We have such communists now. No others. We have what we have.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 19 March 2016 10: 38
          +2
          Pfff
          Communist Party-this is not the Communists.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 19 March 2016 11: 03
            +9
            Quote: Darkness
            Communist Party-this is not the Communists.

            As a matter of fact, the LDPR are not liberals, the SRs are not socialists, the EP is not united with the people. wink
            1. Darkness
              Darkness 19 March 2016 11: 23
              +1
              That's why we need a line - against all
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 13: 25
          +5
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          I will vote for the "Communist Party". We have such communists now. No others. We have what we have.

          I agree, as a protest vote, quite.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 13: 30
            +2
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            I agree, as a protest vote, quite.

            Che do not like guys with white ribbons ... lol
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 13: 40
              +1
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Che do not like guys with white ribbons ...

              I'm for all the good - against all the garbage laughing
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 13: 43
                +1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                I'm for all the good - against all the garbage

                Motri Witek - Commissioner Juve is not asleep)))))
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 19 March 2016 11: 00
      +7
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      Once again I’m convinced, the statistics are false. The number of murders in the USSR is comparable with the modern?

      Especially when the statistics are customized to the desired conclusions. Why not compare the number of murders in the USSR with the 90s? When in a gang war showdown did young people die in the hundreds?
      The number of cars increased? And the number of deaths in accidents and under the wheels of reckless equaled the number of victims of a not weak war.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 20 March 2016 01: 24
        +3
        Quote: EvgNik
        The number of cars increased? And the number of deaths in accidents and under the wheels of reckless equaled the number of victims of a not weak war.

        In 2015, 23 people died on Russian roads in car accidents.
        According 9 years Afghan war killed 15 052 people.

        Feel the difference!
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik 19 March 2016 16: 15
      +6
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      You cannot enter the river twice "and therefore the USSR will never again be

      And yet ... From the preface to the novel by Oleg Vereshchagin to the book "Forges of the Empire":
      I truly believe that:
      a) capitalism with any “face” is not viable as an economic and social system;
      b) not being able to actually develop society, the current political and financial elite has led humanity to a dead end, where it is trying its best to stay, convincing people with foam on their lips that this dead end is their home;
      c) a way out of this deadlock in a therapeutic way is impossible - alas, only the path of surgical intervention without anesthesia can save us, since the patient cannot be anesthetized;
      d) mankind was given two chances: the Third Reich and the USSR. But the first provided a future for the Germans and only for them, and the second was deliberately destroyed - from inside and outside the country! - those who feared the scope of the plans of the builders of the future for all;
      e) or our future will turn out to be similar to that described by me in the book - or we run the risk of being left without a future at all. So the Matrix will not frighten many of the world, but there will simply be complete degeneration - abruptly, in some three or four generations - and an empty planet, more likely as in the final of the sad film “Artificial Intelligence”;
      f) Only a heroic worldview and a complete rejection of democracy as such and “the experience of world development” can save us. Around us is NOT OUR world. We cannot live in it. WE DO NOT ALREADY LIVE IN IT.

      I just have nothing to add to this.
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP 19 March 2016 21: 13
        +3
        And the so-called capitalism with a human face does not exist and never has been. Especially in recent decades, when everyone is run by large banks and multinational corporations. And each such corporation is built as a distorted caricature of the USSR of the 37 model. True, you will not be blamed for the semi-mythical Gulag if you dare to argue with the bosses, but they will be kicked out of work, and even so that no one else will take it (corporate solidarity).
    4. Robert Nevsky
      Robert Nevsky 20 March 2016 20: 03
      0
      There is truth in your thoughts. Soviet, socialist power, taught the people to obedience. And suddenly at the head of the state came the liberals. And the obedience of the people continued by inertia ...
  17. cergey51046
    cergey51046 19 March 2016 10: 00
    +1
    It is necessary by law and constitution to prohibit leaders from deciding nationwide issues.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 March 2016 10: 15
      +6
      Quote: cergey51046
      It is necessary by law and constitution to prohibit leaders from deciding nationwide issues.

      And who then will solve the nation-wide issues? Evening? What are the President, the Government, the Duma for?
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 19 March 2016 10: 39
        +5
        Really, for what? Especially the thought.
        1. MrK
          MrK 19 March 2016 15: 19
          +4
          Quote: Darkness
          Really, for what? Especially thought


          The Duma is needed to create the appearance that we have created a democracy that is bourgeois naturally.
          We must return to the Top. Council, as it was in the USSR. Where deputies 4 once a year went to sessions and approved the decisions of the Presidium of the Armed Forces. And the rest of the time they worked like everyone else.
  18. Aleksander
    Aleksander 19 March 2016 11: 01
    +3
    Not quite true about Moldova: there was a referendum not only in Transnistria, but also in Chisinau, Balti, Gagauzia and many other places, people broke through the cordons in places nationalists. And the majority voted and voted FOR
    The author is NOT right in one more thing: the word "Federation" in the question already limits the word "sovereignty". And people went to vote for the Union, FOR big historical Russia.
    .
  19. iouris
    iouris 19 March 2016 11: 38
    +3
    Important: the referendum was not only for the preservation of the USSR, but also for the preservation of public ownership of the means of production. However, the authorities are silent about the fact that the Gorby clique organized a counter-revolution "from above", focusing the attention of the masses on the "collapse of the USSR" and "national apartments" - this is the essence.
  20. Francois de Vivre
    Francois de Vivre 19 March 2016 11: 41
    -11%
    Soviet citizens were deprived of virginity, but they did not give money and material assets for this. shame on deceivers !!! ...
  21. Francois de Vivre
    Francois de Vivre 19 March 2016 12: 13
    -5
    Do you want Soviet citizens to admit their guilt ?! here's another...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 19 March 2016 17: 49
      0
      Do you want Soviet citizens to admit their guilt ?!
      here http://leo-tigr.livejournal.com/36499.html I answer the question why I destroyed the USSR
  22. Viktortopwar
    Viktortopwar 19 March 2016 18: 45
    +2
    Quote: sherp2015
    Not just to judge. We know how our courts judge. And it would be nice to hang like Mussolini
    That's right, not just to judge, but to write him and his followers into the history of the country as traitors forever. And study his criminal activities and consequences in the school curriculum.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 March 2016 23: 59
      +2
      Most even without trial believe that Gorby is a traitor. I think that the FRG and the USA have bargained for a special status for Gorbi and are financing his fund and security, and the ruling circles of the Russian Federation will not dare to touch him. Everything suits them.
      In any case, someone should switch from the topic of "Stalin's bloody crimes" and begin a public and objective investigation of the reasons for the destruction of the alternative political system. Moreover, over the 25 years of the development of primitive comprador Russian capitalism, the people have been put on the brink of survival and have lost their socio-economic rights and historical conquests. And they promised that the masses would live, at least, "like in Sweden," and "the West will help us."
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 20 March 2016 00: 05
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        Most even without trial believe that Gorby is a traitor.

        Ah, today is the birthday of E. Gaidar. Another Judah.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 20 March 2016 05: 41
        0
        Quote: iouris
        And they promised that the masses would live, at least, "like in Sweden," and "the West will help us."

        So they promised Ukraine.
  23. kuz363
    kuz363 19 March 2016 19: 25
    +1
    "massacre in Kazakh New Uzgen" The author is a little mistaken. The city of oil workers is called New Uzen, it is 140 km from Aktau. I remember very well that time, working in Aktau at the Sredmash enterprise. The conflict there occurred purely on ethnic grounds between Kazakhs and Caucasians, of whom there were many at that time. Caucasians worked in oil fields, well workover, but most of them worked at food depots, which, under the USSR, were a source of scarce products for the bosses, the party elite, and the authorities. Local Kazakhs were unhappy and demanded that they be allowed to the feeding trough too. What then related to our deficit? Imported wines, canned caviar, Czech beer, Vidiki and TV sets, instant coffee, Cervelat sausage ... True, for the holidays, ordinary workers also partly received this in the form of holiday orders. But in Uzen, they were quickly blocked by special forces. Kazakh youth from rural auls also tried to buzz in Aktau (then it was called Shevchenko). But everywhere the police patrolled, internal troops. The workers of the enterprises were mobilized into the people's squads. True, without weapons, but they cut thick cables like clubs and handed them out on patrol. Our Chekist of the 1st department had a conversation with us and instructed us how to act. And there was no massacre in Uzen, only a few people died there during their showdown.
  24. skeptic31
    skeptic31 20 March 2016 01: 23
    +3
    Figures from the bulldozer. We have fallen so deeply that modern realities are ashamed to compare with something. So you have to compare the incomparable. For example, they used to buy grain mainly for livestock breeding (the gut instinct was very developed among the population), and now we sell the coolest grain (for some reason, for some reason, they began to eat noticeably less, because the crops did not anymore, and the population almost unchanged). There remains the only comparison with which our liberals are trying to block everything else, and behind which, in other matters, is again the complete absence of real content - the availability of goods in stores. Why the lack of real content, but because some strange people have gone - they see the goods, for example watermelons, and do not buy. Some kind of evil liberal phenomenon is free sale, and purchases have decreased by an order of magnitude!?!