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Bloody Spring of the Libyan Jamahiriya

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Bloody Spring of the Libyan JamahiriyaTo turn even fair protests into puppet pseudo-revolutions - the American political consultants mastered this art to perfection. A young Tunisian, a vegetable dealer, burning himself, did not know that his deed would serve as the first pebble in the giant deadly avalanche of the so-called “Arab Spring”. And then the fire will spread to Egypt, Libya and other countries.


For Libya, the consequences were the worst. Five years ago, direct aggression by the United States and the monstrous NATO bloc began against this country.

The bombing of Tripoli, Benghazi, Ajdabiya, Sirte, Marsa El-Bregi and other Libyan cities began on March 19 on the 2011. But I would call the beginning of the March 17 aggression in March - when the UN Security Council resolution No. 1973 was adopted. It was this document that triggered the attack on a sovereign state.

The draft resolution was submitted by the United States, Lebanon, Britain and France. It was approved by 10 countries - permanent and temporary members of the UN Security Council. Five states - Russia, China, Germany, India and Brazil - abstained. Unfortunately, no one had the courage to vote against.

Before the adoption of the resolution by the world media, the corresponding information background was created. They told about the "people's revolution" and its suppression, about the "atrocities of the Gaddafi regime" and "shootings of peaceful demonstrations." And - oh, horror! - Demonstrations allegedly "shot from helicopters!" So, you need to enter the no-fly zone! So the case was presented.

Most of all, France led by Nicolas Sarkozy insisted on aggression against the Libyan Jamahiriya ...

Less than two days after the adoption of the resolution on the “protection of civilians” and the “no-fly zone”, the French bombers were the first to bomb Libya. And on the very first day, not only military facilities but also residential areas, hospitals, schools, cultural centers came under fire ...

Without any investigation, the Libyan authorities were declared guilty of all the disturbing events that the Arab Spring brought to the country. Leadership led by Gaddafi was blamed for "gross and systematic violations of human rights", "enforced disappearances, torture and summary executions", "acts of violence and intimidation", "widespread and systematic attacks on civilians".

All this unimaginable information noise, prior to the adoption of the resolution, was designed precisely for quick effect. Urgently convene a meeting of the UN Security Council, just as urgently prepare for a military operation. Because the delay threatened with the fact that the refutations of the one-sided interpretation of the events could have gone. Because the voice of those who accused the opposition of destabilizing the situation in the country, pogroms, violence, murders, attacks on soldiers, policemen, as well as civilians, could also be heard. It could have broken through to the international level that the Libyan authorities did not use force against certain “peaceful demonstrators”, but against terrorist gangs.

Further well known. The UN Security Council Resolution No. XXUMX was ultimately ruined - NATO countries bombing Libya, at first cowardly covered themselves with it like a fig leaf, and then began to bomb everything, killing civilians (which, in theory, should have been protected).

In the end, the direct ban on “the possibility of foreign occupation forces in any form on any part of Libyan territory”, contained in the resolution, was violated. We will not soon find out the whole truth about how exactly the capital of Jamahiriya, Tripoli, was captured in August of the same 2011 of the year. But immediately it was clear that there could not have been without a foreign military.

The NATO operation ended with the assassination of Libyan leader Muammar Al-Gaddafi. All the true fault of which was only in one thing - he had the imprudence to lend Nicolas Sarkozy a large sum of money ...

This kill will come in history as one of the most cruel. Before killing, the wounded leader was tortured for three hours. Then his body, as well as the body of his son Mutassim, were put on public display in the city of Misrata. The brutal "democratic rebels" lined up to mock the dead. And Western politicians represented all this unimaginable horror "the victory of democracy over dictatorship."

Five years have passed. Recently, a statement from Gaddafi’s daughter, Aisha, appeared. Having received political asylum in Eritrea, she called on the Libyan people to resist the NATO invaders and ISIS terrorists.

At the same time, the mouthpiece of Western propaganda, the BBC, unveiled new shots of the massacre of the wounded Muammar Al-Gaddafi. True, nothing particularly new can be seen on them - again all the same barbaric execution, just taken from a different angle. In these shots, Gaddafi, exhausted, covered in blood, shouts to the executioners: “Shame!” (True, some media wanted to humiliate the deceased again and lied, as if he asked for mercy).

Now the Libyan Jamahiriya has ceased to exist, and the “new Libya,” about which they have spoken so much in the US and other NATO countries, has in fact been turned into the base of the ominous organization of ISIS.

Only one thing can be learned from this terrible lesson in the bloody Libyan spring: concessions to the West lead to a sea of ​​blood, to lawlessness, to the triumph of evil ... And if Russia then, 17 March 2011, did not make a concession and vetoed most likely, China) - maybe today the Libyan Jamahiriya would be not only our ally, but also a key state in the East in the fight against ISIL.

And now the beautiful state with unprecedented social guarantees for the people lies in ruins. Gaddafi supporters are either in basements or shot long ago. And somewhere in the sands he is secretly buried, whose ideas will not disappear, but will still sprout green sprouts ...
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  1. Dart2027
    Dart2027 18 March 2016 06: 39
    +12
    I wonder how many of those who were dissatisfied with the "dictatorship" and dreamed of "freedom", but there really were such people in Libya and started a butch, are still alive. Are they happy to receive this very "freedom"?
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 18 March 2016 06: 42
    +3
    Five states - Russia, China, Germany, India and Brazil - abstained. Unfortunately, no one had the courage to vote against...Even if they blocked the resolution, the Americans went from the other side ... for the UN ... it’s not the same organization ...
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 18 March 2016 08: 05
      +11
      Quote: parusnik
      Five states - Russia, China, Germany, India and Brazil - abstained. Unfortunately, no one had the courage to vote against ... Even if they blocked the resolution, the Americans would come from the other side ... or the UN ... not the same organization ...

      But I would call March 17 the day the aggression began - when UN Security Council resolution No. 1973 was adopted. This document served as a trigger for an attack on a sovereign state.

      Thanks to our President Medvedev, champion of democratic values. It was disgusting to see how he was making excuses the day after the senile old man from the Arab League that we didn’t mean it, we didn’t understand us.
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  3. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 18 March 2016 06: 50
    +13
    Purely human, sorry for Muammar Al-Gaddafi.
    1. Mr. Pippers
      Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 10: 57
      -9
      "Saif al-Arab was born in 1982 in the Libyan capital Tripoli. His father is Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, his mother is Safia Farkash, Gaddafi's second wife. Saif al-Arab was wounded during the American bombing in 1986 when he was four From 2006 to 2010, Saif al-Arab spent most of his time in Munich, where he entered the Munich Technical University In November 2006, Saif al-Arab in Munich had a fight with a security guard at the 4004 strip club. Saif al-Arab received a cut on his head Despite accusations of cruelty, the Munich prosecutor dropped the charges against him.Saif al-Arab leaves Germany by March 2007. In 2008, Saif al-Arab studies in Munich again. excessive noise from the exhaust pipe of his Ferrari F430 this car was confiscated by the police and Seif al-Arab was prosecuted In the same year, Saif al-Arab is suspected of attempting to smuggle ammunition from Munich to Paris in a car with diplomatic plates ... Nevertheless, the case was closed for little evidence. Al Jazeera reported that Saif al-Arab is a shadow business and spent most of his time partying. "
      And this is probably his most humble little son hi
      1. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 11: 13
        +12
        I do not understand something. This behavior and moral character of the young major is an excuse for the destruction of not the smallest country. And the forcible transfer of Libya from a fully developed socialism (with a national bias) to unbridled feudalism with elements of tribal-community lawlessness?
        1. Mr. Pippers
          Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 12: 11
          .
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          This behavior and moral character of the young major is an excuse for the destruction of not the smallest country.

          Here the other question was - "where is the money, Zin" ?!
          Libya is a poor country, and the leader’s sons drive across Europe to Ferrari! fellow
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          And the forcible transfer of Libya from a fully developed socialism (with a national bias) to unbridled feudalism with elements of tribal-community lawlessness

          Everything is exactly the opposite, from the rail of "unbridled feudalism" the country was transferred to the rail of "normal capitalism" with the prospect of becoming a normal state.
          1. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 12: 48
            +11
            Quote: Misters Pippers
            Libya is a poor country, and the leader’s sons drive across Europe to Ferrari!

            Admit you are a paid bot or is it really that stupid? For the sake of decency, study B1. There were no electricity bills in Libya; It was free for all residents.
            2. There was no interest on loans. Banks were state-owned and the loan percentage was zero by law.
            3. Having a home was considered one of the human rights in Libya.
            4. All newlyweds received $ 50000 (60000 dinars) for the purchase of the first housing from the government, in order to support young families.
            5. Education and medicine were free. Before Muammar Gaddafi, only 25% of the population was educated. Today, this figure is 83%.
            6. If the Libyans wanted to farm, they received agricultural land, farm, equipment, seeds and livestock - all for free.
            7. If the Libyans could not find the right education or medical facilities within the country, the government funded their education / treatment abroad. But that's not all, they received $ 2300 per month for housing and car allowance.
            8. If a Libyan purchased a car, the state subsidized 50% of its value.
            9. The price of gas in Libya was $ 0.14 per liter.

            10. Libya had no external debts, and the reserves frozen to date were $ 150 billion.

            11. If the Libyan could not find work after graduation, the state paid him the average salary by profession until he takes a job.
            12. The share of each sale of Libyan oil was credited directly to the bank accounts of Libyan citizens.
            13. For the birth of each child, the mother received $ 5000.
            14. Food was also subsidized by the government: 40 loaves of bread cost $ 0.15.
            15. 25% of Libyans are university graduates.
            16. Muammar Gaddafi carried out the largest irrigation project, known as the Great River Manmadme project, with the goal of making fresh water available throughout the desert country. Question.
            This is your poor country. Yes, there the conditions were in many ways superior to what they provide us in Russia.
            Quote: Misters Pippers
            Everything is exactly the opposite, from the rail of "unbridled feudalism" the country was transferred to the rail of "normal capitalism" with the prospect of becoming a normal state.

            You still remember Somalia or Kosovo.
            1. Mr. Pippers
              Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 14: 14
              .
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              Admit you are a paid bot or is it really that stupid?

              And you do not swear, you are generally a demagogue and proof of the veracity of your "list" has never been provided either wassat
              But anyway - let's start debunking the myths!
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              There were no electricity bills in Libya; It was free for all residents.

              In prosperous countries, and so the cost of electricity is almost free amid salaries, but this is not the main thing.
              The production rates of this very "energy" in Libya (according to the most profitable estimates for it) are almost 7 times less than that of Norway with the same population.
              Accordingly, what's the use of "free electricity" if they give it for a couple of hours a day 1.5 kW per apartment? fellow
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              There was no interest on loans. Banks were state-owned and the loan percentage was zero by law.

              That is, in the property of Gaddafi ?! wassat
              And what are the conditions for obtaining this loan?
              And what is its maximum size?
              Well, they will give $ 50 without interest, but if I need $ 5000, but they don’t give out at all ?! fellow
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              Having a home was considered one of the human rights in Libya.

              And where is it different? In the DPRK, if only! fellow
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              All newlyweds received $ 50000 (60000 dinars) for the purchase of the first housing from the government, in order to support young families.

              Truth?! AND what will they buy for it in Libya ?! One room in a communal apartment on the outskirts ?!
              How much is a whole apartment in the city worth - 500 thousand ?! laughing
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              Education and medicine were free.

              And what's the point, in the absence of not only equipment, but also commonplace drugs in the country ?!
              And what are the quotas for free "education" ?!
              Are specialists with this "education" in demand abroad and why did Gaddafi's own children study abroad ?! laughing
              1. Imperialkolorad
                Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 14: 25
                +7
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                And you do not swear, you are generally a demagogue and proof of the veracity of your "list" has never been provided either

                You type mega proofs provided.
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                Well, they will give $ 50 without interest, but if I need $ 5000, but they don’t give out at all ?!

                It's about loans, not micro lending. The difference is significant. Your assumption is stupid speculation.
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                And where is it different? In the DPRK, if only!

                As if in many countries there are no houses of their own, they live in rented houses.
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                Truth?! And what will they buy for it in Libya ?! One room in a communal apartment on the outskirts ?!
                How much is a whole apartment in the city worth - 500 thousand ?!

                Do you get this, even though in principle? I can’t even dream of such a thing.
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                And what's the point, in the absence of not only equipment, but also commonplace drugs in the country ?!
                And what are the quotas for free "education" ?!

                Again, only speculation.
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                Are specialists with this "education" in demand abroad and why did Gaddafi's own children study abroad ?!

                It is fashionable now to study in "Democratic countries".
                1. Mr. Pippers
                  Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 14: 50
                  -2
                  Quote: ImperialKolorad
                  You type mega proofs provided.

                  I even referred to Wikipedia, with an equal population of Libyan GDP, which is one of the largest oil exporters, significantly lower than GDP in Finland!
                  Quote: ImperialKolorad
                  The difference is significant. Your assumption is stupid speculation.

                  I do not suppose, but ask the question - what are the conditions for interest-free lending in Libya? How many years does it take to work in Libya to get it?
                  How long is it given? Now, if they give it only for a year or only in local currency, and I need 5 years in dollars to buy a car - where will I get it ?! request
                  Quote: ImperialKolorad
                  As if in many countries there are no houses of their own, they live in rented houses.

                  Voluntarily, by the way. Nobody bothers them to live in their own, but they take "mortgages-rent" to improve their living conditions - everyone's personal choice yes
                  Quote: ImperialKolorad
                  It is fashionable now to study in "Democratic countries".

                  Education there is simply better.
                  Quote: ImperialKolorad
                  Again, only speculation.

                  Only for the defenders of dictators yes
                  1. Imperialkolorad
                    Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 15: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: Misters Pippers
                    I even referred to Wikipedia, with an equal population of Libyan GDP, which is one of the largest oil exporters, significantly lower than GDP in Finland!

                    Wikipedia in such matters is not very credible for me, because it is very biased.
                    Quote: Misters Pippers
                    I do not suppose, but ask the question - what are the conditions for interest-free lending in Libya? How many years does it take to work in Libya to get it?
                    How long is it given? Now, if they give it only for a year or only in local currency, and I need 5 years in dollars to buy a car - where will I get it ?!

                    As if the question is about the Libyans. From birth, which is characteristic.
                    Quote: Misters Pippers
                    Voluntarily, by the way. Nobody bothers them to live in their own, but they take "mortgages-rent" to improve their living conditions - everyone's personal choice

                    So the choice of the Libyans is an interest-free loan for personal housing. What are you against?
                    Quote: Misters Pippers
                    Education there is simply better.

                    The best old Soviet education. But you like him destroyed and continue to finish off the remains.
                    Quote: Misters Pippers
                    Only for the defenders of dictators

                    It’s time to understand I’m not a defender of dictators, but an adversary when, with forged boots and impudent lies under seemingly very beautiful slogans, they plunge the whole country into wild chaos and no less wild poverty. At the same time, the Saudis and the head of Uzbekistan are super democrats.
                    1. Mr. Pippers
                      Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 16: 26
                      -5
                      Quote: ImperialKolorad
                      Wikipedia in such matters is not very credible for me, because it is very biased.

                      Is Wikipedia biased?
                      I do not believe it - there are only numbers and links to authoritative sources.
                      Quote: ImperialKolorad
                      As if the question is about the Libyans. From birth, which is characteristic.

                      No need to include "misunderstanding" - specific questions were asked on the conditions for providing interest-free loans in Libya hi
                      Quote: ImperialKolorad
                      The best old Soviet education

                      Nonsense and incompetence in the matter.
                      In short, initially there are 2 main schools of higher education - Anglo-Saxon and German - Anglo-Saxon is effective in applied sciences - German is effective in fundamental sciences - you don’t even know which one we adopted from the West at one time - what there may still be a speech request
                      Quote: ImperialKolorad
                      At the same time, the Saudis and the head of Uzbekistan are super democrats.

                      They are at least:
                      doesn't develop nuclear weapons
                      any weapon of "mass destruction"
                      do not attack other countries
                      do not suit the genocide of their own population
                      do not violate UN resolutions
                      do not harbor cannibals and genocide participants
                      do not behave like "gopniks", insulting the leaders of other countries in violation of all possible norms of international etiquette.
                      Yes to them, really, no special complaints fellow
                      1. Imperialkolorad
                        Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 16: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        Is Wikipedia biased?

                        Wikipedia is exclusively biased with regard to the political economy. About the flower berries, refer as much as you like. on ideology, please do not disturb with this propaganda source.
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        How long is it given? Now, if it is given only for a year or only in local currency, and I need 5 years in dollars,

                        I turned on the incomprehension, or have you already shut up in the livy?
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        you don’t even know which one of them we took over from the West in due time - what else can we talk about

                        You can rush smartly with long and beautiful words. But experience says that in high school, our students were head and shoulders superior in their exact sciences to their foreign peers. And before the introduction of the Western manner of teaching, they steadily occupied leading places at international mathematics Olympiads, in particular. Now, as there are herds of victims of the exam.
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        doesn't develop nuclear weapons
                        any weapon of "mass destruction"
                        do not attack other countries
                        do not suit the genocide of their own population
                        do not violate UN resolutions
                        do not harbor cannibals and genocide participants
                        do not behave like "gopniks", insulting the leaders of other countries in violation of all possible norms of international etiquette.
                        Yes to them, really, no special complaints

                        Most of what you have said is propaganda husk like the Ichkerian "rebels", which, apart from the liberals, does not bother anyone in Russia. But in fact, from personal acquaintances, I can say that in Uzbekistan on the phone they are afraid to say many questions on the phone (just do not drive about terrorism, stupid criticism of the president and the authorities), and human rights activists ask not to release political prisoners, but at least show are they alive. And for a snack, the Saudis relatively recently executed a Shiite preacher and a number of other people with him, and, you know, absolutely nothing, as you say, claims.
                      2. Mr. Pippers
                        Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 17: 30
                        -3
                        Quote: ImperialKolorad
                        Wikipedia is exclusively biased

                        Once again I say - that NO! There are mostly bare numbers and links.
                        Quote: ImperialKolorad
                        I turned on the incomprehension, or have you already shut up in the livy?

                        Once again I ask you a question - on the conditions for providing interest-free loans in Libya hi
                        Quote: ImperialKolorad
                        But experience says that in high school, our students were head and shoulders superior in their exact sciences to their foreign peers.

                        Yeah - our schoolchildren really, unlike Western ones, knew where Karmagen-37 is located, could play the piano and mop at a labor lesson - but neither this, nor even our schoolchildren's victories at the "Olympiads" had anything to do with higher education yes
                        Quote: ImperialKolorad
                        And for a snack, the Saudis relatively recently executed a Shiite preacher and still a lot of people with him

                        Well, figs with them - they do not develop a nuclear bomb and their own citizens like Saddam do not poison them with chemical weapons - and thank God laughing
                      3. Imperialkolorad
                        Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 17: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        Once again I say - that NO! There are mostly bare numbers and links.

                        There are lies, blatant lies and statistics. So your Vika is the very statistics. This is how the Soviet and fascist divisions considered at one time. Everything was beautiful, but they were silent that the German division was much larger.
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        Once again I ask you a question - about the conditions for providing an interest-free loan in Libya

                        Seriously, neither I nor you know the whole background of lending to an already defunct country. I’m not a specialist to get into business and even in such an exotic language.
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        the victories of our schoolchildren at the "Olympiads" had nothing to do with the effectiveness of higher education

                        This is the number, but why in general are the Olympiads (without any brackets) just to identify the best. And ours won on general terms without adjusting the rules for themselves. I agree with loans on a slippery topic, but there is no need to carry an open heresy.
                        Quote: Misters Pippers
                        Well, figs with them - they do not develop a nuclear bomb and their own citizens like Saddam do not poison them with chemical weapons - and thank God

                        Look, it is like "your sons of bitches" so thank God, and the evil pandas are nizya. And Gaddafi was destroyed for trying to introduce the golden dinar. Don't make people laugh with your liberal nonsense. They are in demand on the sedimentary TV channel and the matzo ear.
                      4. Mr. Pippers
                        Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 18: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: ImperialKolorad
                        This is how the Soviet and fascist divisions considered at one time. Everything was beautiful, but they were silent that the German division was much larger.

                        You see, the number of divisions was indicated, but they "forgot" about the number (or maybe they did not forget, you just did not bother to read about the structure of the troops of the Third Reich there!) - and so on your list "everything is the same" fellow
                        For example, in this list there is evidence that the salary of a nurse is $ 1000, but it is not said that this is the salary of foreign medical staff with a bonus and part-time jobs (real $ 800) and local people earn $ 100-200.
                        It is indicated that medicine is free, but for quality of service no data (and believe me, bad).
                        It is indicated that education is free, but neither the quality of this education, nor the conditions for admission to free data departments, etc., etc., etc. including our loans fellow
                        Quote: ImperialKolorad
                        This is the number, but why do the Olympiads (without any brackets) just to identify the best.

                        The point is not in the Olympiads, the point is in the differences between the systems of Anglo-Saxon and German higher education.
                        Quote: ImperialKolorad
                        And Gaddafi was destroyed for trying to introduce a gold dinar.

                        Yes, including for that. But only the United States is still better than Libya fellow
                  2. Lord blacwood
                    Lord blacwood 18 March 2016 19: 16
                    +2
                    Mr. Pippers, what about Idi Amin (included in the list of the world's greatest villains). In 2003, the former Ugandan dictator Idi Amin, a cannibal war criminal, died in Saudi Arabia. He took refuge in the SA after the exile. He destroyed tens of thousands of civilians, and also ate his enemies, but this did not stop the SA from sheltering him.
                  3. Mr. Pippers
                    Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Lord Blacwood
                    Mr. Pippers, what about Idi Amin (included in the list of the world's greatest villains). In 2003, former Ugandan dictator Idi Amin, a war criminal, cannibal, died in Saudi Arabia

                    Yes, and Amin's concealment was not the only Gaddafi's "sin" - you do not think that a couple of misdeeds are enough to start a war? fellow
              2. Docent1984
                Docent1984 18 March 2016 17: 12
                +2
                Are Saudis not attacking other countries? Have you heard of Yemen? They do not harbor and heal ISIS thugs? Not at all, is it?)))

                In general, about attacks on other countries - to remind you who is the record holder in this matter?)))

                And who did Libya attack? What resolutions did she violate?
              3. Mr. Pippers
                Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 17: 49
                -1
                Quote: Docent1984
                And who did Libya attack? What resolutions did she violate?

                Egyptian Libyan War
                Chadian Libyan War
                UN Resolutions.
                Quote: Docent1984
                to remind you who is the record holder in this matter?

                USA.
                But what did you mean by that? That they poisoned their own citizens with chemical weapons, like Saddam, whom they overthrew?
                You would have better thought why the United States was not involved in any war with civilized countries and did not wage a single OCCUPATION war, like the same Saddam or Gaddafi with Hitler.
              4. Dart2027
                Dart2027 18 March 2016 18: 03
                +1
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                why the US was not involved in any war with civilized countries

                Civilized on what basis?
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                did not wage a single occupation war

                Just put in the power of their puppets.
              5. Mr. Pippers
                Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 17
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                Civilized on what basis?

                See which countries are leaders in GDP hi
                Quote: Dart2027
                Just put in the power of their puppets.

                Well, yes, the ruler of any country must either threaten the United States with a nuclear bomb, or he is a puppet laughing
              6. Dart2027
                Dart2027 18 March 2016 23: 21
                +2
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                See which countries are leaders in GDP

                And is GDP a sign of civilization? So a millionaire drug dealer is more civilized than academician Korolev?
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                Well, yes, the ruler of any country must either threaten the United States with a nuclear bomb, or he is a puppet

                What to do if the USA does not understand another language. However, the fact that they seek to plant their servants at the head of all countries to which they can reach you do not deny?
              7. Mr. Pippers
                Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 49
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                And is GDP a sign of civilization? So a millionaire drug dealer is more civilized than academician Korolev?

                Tell me at least one state whose GDP consists of "drug trafficking" laughing
                GDP is business, education, science and other goodies for citizens fellow
                Quote: Dart2027
                What to do if the USA does not understand another language.

                In my opinion, our citizens do not understand another language - all of you have some kind of "slaves" and "sixes" - by the way, what was the USSR doing in the international arena, if not support loyal your own modes? fellow
              8. Dart2027
                Dart2027 19 March 2016 06: 23
                +2
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                Tell me at least one state whose GDP consists of "drug trafficking"
                Under the leadership of the United States in Afghanistan, the drug business has grown forty times.
                Well, or remember Germany from the time of Hitler - was there order with GDP?
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                In my opinion, our citizens do not understand another language - all of you have some "slaves" and "sixes"
                Slaves and sixes recently gathered for the next meeting in Vilnos.
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                what did the USSR do in the international arena

                And this was, only this does not negate the fact that NATO behaves like an ordinary gang.
      2. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 18: 05
        +1
        Quote: Misters Pippers

        Egyptian Libyan War
        Chadian Libyan War

        Each country has several wars lately.
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        But what did you mean by that? That they poisoned their own citizens with chemical weapons, like Saddam, whom they overthrew?
        You would have better thought why the United States was not involved in any war with civilized countries and did not wage a single OCCUPATION war, like the same Saddam or Gaddafi with Hitler.

        Absolutely for the post. Saddam poisoned both his own and those of strangers while white gentlemen gave him tacit consent to this. and yet orange gas doesn't tell you anything, but Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Do you measure civilization with a caliper? And Serbia has long become uncivilized (just do not need nonsense about poor Kosovars). And in general, why do we need direct occupation? It is necessary to support the civil administration. And so color revolutions and military bases around the world rule.
        Although, strictly speaking: Okinawa, at one time Hawaii, Afghanistan and Iraq how to consider a children's matinee?
        Hmm, in jurisprudence at least some knowledge, as for history, is not 0, but a negative value, and even brutally brainwashed.
      3. Mr. Pippers
        Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 27
        0
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        Absolutely for the post. Saddam poisoned both his own and those of strangers while white gentlemen gave him tacit consent to this.

        Do you know how many such "freaks" there are in third countries - there will not be enough people to fight with all fellow
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        And Serbia has long been uncivilized

        And you end the actions of the "nedo-Hitlers" to cover up the name of the people of their countries, the Serbs did not need Slobodan's ambitions or bombing hi
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        Okinawa, at one time Hawaii,

        Are you talking about Japan? request
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        Afghanistan

        This is about us?! belay
        We don’t need about us, we fought terrorism there - we supported at least some sane leadership on our borders - our people died there - and Gaddafi justified these terrorists around the world to burn him in hell! stop
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        How to consider Iraq as a children's party?

        No, the fact that Iraq arranged for Iran is not even a school disco lol
      4. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 19 March 2016 08: 21
        +2
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        Do you know how many such "freaks" there are in third countries - there will not be enough people to fight with all

        For those traveling in an armored train. While Saddam needed him, the use of weapons of mass destruction was forgiven, when they wanted to take Iraqi oil into their hands and begin to wreak terror and chaos in that region, he was bred like a sucker and destroyed the country. It is disgusting for me to talk with you after such posts, for I do not consider ideological nonsense to justify the suffering and death of millions of people as normal for a person who has at least a grain of conscience.
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        And you end the actions of the "nedo-Hitlers" to cover up the name of the people of their countries, the Serbs did not need Slobodan's ambitions or bombing

        What kind of underdog to the devil? In Kosovo, bandits associated with black transplantology and drug trafficking started. Serbia tried to restore constitutional order there. But the West had to dismember and permanently humiliate Belgrade, and the capital of Serbia was hammered by destroying infrastructure for a month. Such cynicism as humanitarian bombing, I could not even come up with in a nightmare. And you did not answer civilization determine caliper in the shape of a skull?
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        Are you talking about Japan?

        Yes, about Japan, a rather rather big island was occupied there, Hawaii was also captured by force.
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        This is about us?!

        Stop pretending to be a fool. Personally, I think that it was a mistake to enter the DRA, but ours didn’t limit it there and built many infrastructure facilities, while the United States will not leave anything behind the fields of opium poppy. For those who are flexibly forgetful, in London there are a huge number of people who have much more blood on their hands, directly or indirectly, than those who warmed Gaddafi. And, you know, again everything is a bunch - they are fighters against corruption and bloody regimes.
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        No, the fact that Iraq arranged for Iran is not even a school disco

        Is this again an occasion to destroy several hundred thousand people and plunge the country into terrorist lawlessness? I repeat, this is far from the first time Iraq was supported when it fought with Iran and the invasion was in no way connected with moral values, due only to greed for money in the form of oil.
        P.S. In fact, it's all the more disgusting and disgusting for me to communicate with you. Hiding behind loud words about "values" and "democracy" to justify everything good arranged by the empire, namely, as it was said above, the death and suffering of tens of millions of people is unacceptable. But brainwashing is doing its dirty work and we are shocked. On this I will stop the census with you in this thread, since it is useless to hope for conscience, and, apparently, not everyone is given to think sensibly.
  • Mr. Pippers
    Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 14: 14
    0
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    If the Libyans wanted to farm, they received agricultural land, a farm, equipment, seeds and cattle - all for free.

    Where did they get it ?!
    Arable land makes up only 1% of the country's area, and only 1% of them are included in the artificial irrigation zone. And they are all already taken!
    What's the use of the "farmer" from the land in the desert ?!
    And most importantly, what are the state purchase prices in Libya for agricultural products ?! Adyn bucks per ton of grain ?! wassat
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    If a Libyan bought a car, the state subsidized 50% of its value.

    With an initial import duty of 500% ?!
    Cool! This is probably why there are almost no new cars in Libya! laughing
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    The price of gas in Libya was $ 0.14 per liter.

    Yes, at least 0.014 what is the use when there are no cars!
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    A share of each sale of Libyan oil was credited directly to the bank accounts of Libyan citizens.

    To the Gaddafi Bank ?! And how could they use these accounts ?! Could withdraw money from them entirely for example ?! No.
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    Food was also subsidized by the government: 40 loaves of bread cost $ 0.15.

    Oh my God! such a "rich country" and the state subsidizes the citizens of the "loaf"! laughing
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    Muammar Gaddafi carried out a major irrigation project, known as the Great River Project of Manmadme, with the goal of making fresh water available throughout the desert country

    Yeah! Construction has been underway since 1979 - something reminds me of this! fellow
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    You still remember Somalia

    I will remember - Gaddafi officially supported the actions of the Somali pirates, and also provided "political asylum" to the cannibal Idi Amin - he is just a darling! laughing
    1. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 14: 34
      +2
      Quote: Misters Pippers
      Arable land makes up only 1% of the country's area, and only 1% of them are included in the artificial irrigation zone. And they are all already taken!
      What's the use of the "farmer" from the land in the desert ?!
      And most importantly, what are the state purchase prices in Libya for agricultural products ?! Adyn bucks per ton of grain ?!

      Just assumptions.
      Quote: Misters Pippers

      With an initial import duty of 500% ?!
      Cool! This is probably why there are almost no new cars in Libya!

      I do not have such information, but from previous experience, I can assume that you are impudently lying.
      Quote: Misters Pippers
      Oh my God! such a "rich country" and the state subsidizes the citizens of the "loaf"!

      So it is necessary to help the poor, the wealthy themselves will master. But you will not blame the USA in total poverty if they give away soups to the poor for free?
      Quote: Misters Pippers
      Yeah! Construction has been underway since 1979 - something reminds me of this!

      Correct Panama Canal when he was in possession of his French.
      Quote: Misters Pippers
      I will remember - Gaddafi officially supported the actions of the Somali pirates, and also provided "political asylum" to the cannibal Idi Amin - he is just a darling!

      In London, all kinds of scum, including our former and current compatriots, are just a rampart. So in particular, you do not cause cognitive dissonance.
      1. Mr. Pippers
        Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 15: 39
        -2
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        but from previous experience, I can assume that you are brazenly lying.

        Well, refute me - show photos of new cars in Libya!
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        So it is necessary to help the poor, the wealthy themselves will master.

        So where does it come from this "poor" in a prosperous country, where even the unemployed receive benefits in the amount of the average salary in the country ?! laughing
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        Correct Panama Canal when he was in possession of his French.

        Well, I don’t know, I was reminded of the promise to build communism with us by 1980 laughing
        And yes, by the way, did you consider the flow of rivers in Libya and the need for land for water for irrigation ?! fellow
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        In London, all kinds of scum, including our former and current compatriots, are just a rampart.

        Yes, some of my friends live and work in London, why did they do you a bad thing that you call them that?
        Or are you talking about "birch"? Well, with him, then everything is clear, and the rest, what did they do wrong to you? request
        1. Docent1984
          Docent1984 18 March 2016 17: 18
          0
          Or are you talking about "birch"? Well, with him, then everything is clear, and the rest, what did they do wrong to you?


          Akhmed Zakayev, for example? I did a lot of bad things. Or the late traitor Litvinenko? Or maybe Mishka Gutseriev? List to continue?
          1. Mr. Pippers
            Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 17: 51
            0
            Quote: Docent1984
            List to continue?

            Is this the whole list of our compatriots living in Britain? fellow
    2. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 March 2016 14: 51
      +4
      With an initial import duty of 500% ?!
      Cool! This is probably why there are almost no new cars in Libya!


      Why are you making fun of you? customs clearance of a car in Libya was 3 percent of the invoice, new cars were imported into the country en masse. In 2011, Gaddaf generally canceled all taxes and duties (the dude did not understand what these rebellious clowns still needed)

      Oh my God! such a "rich country" and the state subsidizes the citizens of the "loaf"!


      For you, as an alternative thinker, I’ll clarify. Like us in the Emirates, in the once rich Libya, in addition to the indigenous population, there is still an army of thousands of foreigners working in a mass of unpopular destinations, garbage must be removed, streets should be cleaned, sewers should be cleaned, etc. social package, which the state provides its own. Therefore, helping them to buy a loaf is a significant help. In the rich emirates, the poor are also fed, but these poor are not local residents, but newcomers
      1. Mr. Pippers
        Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 15: 17
        0
        Quote: Pissarro
        customs clearance of a car in Libya was 3 percent of the invoice, new cars were imported into the country en masse

        Where are the photographs of these very "cars" on the streets in Libya ?! stop
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 18 March 2016 15: 33
          +2
          cars like cars, google the streets of Tripoli so look. Until 2011, of course, now there’s democracy
          1. Mr. Pippers
            Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 16: 31
            0
            Quote: Pissarro
            cars like cars

            Yeah, as many as 2 washing machines (!!!) with shampoo on the main street of Tripoli right on the asphalt! And where are the car washes, when there are a lot of cars, there are always car washes! fellow
            1. Pissarro
              Pissarro 18 March 2016 16: 46
              0
              We also have a lot of cars in Dubai, but it’s easier for me personally to pay 30 bucks a month to an Indian for a manual car wash every other day than to go to a car wash, stand in line and pay $ 8 for it. Pluses of having cheap labor
            2. Mr. Pippers
              Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 17: 34
              -3
              Quote: Pissarro
              but it’s easier for me personally to pay 30 bucks a month to an Indian for a manual car wash every other day than to go to a car wash, stand in line and pay $ 8 for it.

              Next time try washing yourself - while standing in a cork, for example laughing
  • Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 18 March 2016 19: 26
    +2
    And Idi Amin died in your Saudi Arabia in 2003. So against the CA, also adopt a resolution.
    1. Mr. Pippers
      Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 09
      0
      Quote: Lord Blacwood
      So against the CA, also adopt a resolution.

      It will be necessary, will laughing
      But let me remind you once again that Gaddafi will have a bigger list of "weaknesses" all the same - a lot more hi
  • Pissarro
    Pissarro 18 March 2016 12: 59
    +4
    Libya is a poor country, and the leader’s sons drive across Europe to Ferrari


    Libya was the richest country in Africa, and if you had half the loot for ferrari, then we compensated the state for the second half. Libya became a beggar after shipment from democracy bombers.

    However, the Libyans chose this path themselves, destroyed their own tales, chose blood and poverty themselves. The West bombed, but the Libyans themselves destroyed everything on earth. It’s not a pity.

    About the prospects of Libya have been captured. There are not only prospects, there is no Libya itself. A bunch of warring tribes with foci of ISIS and the flow of refugees to Europe.
  • Kirill
    Kirill 18 March 2016 11: 56
    +3
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    I do not understand something. This behavior and moral character of the young major is an excuse for the destruction of not the smallest country. And the forcible transfer of Libya from a fully developed socialism (with a national bias) to unbridled feudalism with elements of tribal-community lawlessness?

    I agree. You might think the sons of the democratic leaders of the Angs !?
  • Ostwest
    Ostwest 18 March 2016 23: 01
    0
    Biden's more interesting. He bought all of Ukraine. The democratic press will never light up his spree.
    Yes, Biden is a boy in an Omerian flock. There are all sharks, differ only in bloodthirstiness.
  • kagorta
    kagorta 18 March 2016 06: 54
    -6
    Of course, it is all clear, just do not make a lamb from Gaddafi innocent. And in addition, he lost everything himself, lost before Benghazi broke out because he did not provide the country with reforms and did not respond to the challenges facing Libya (his stagnation lasted too long, Syria is the same, Sunnis 70% of the country's population, and influence the country is not comparable in their numbers, this is why this whole civil war). Army, security forces in their infancy. And with the possible funding for Gaddafi, they should have been the best in the region. And most importantly, the tribes did not support him. Take the Hussites in Yemen, no matter what they hammer the Saudis in the tail and mane. It’s just that the Jamacheria was not able to answer the challenges of the time and simply decomposed from the inside, like the Soviet Union, primarily the Libyan leadership. And ordinary people, so of course they will remember those blessings that they had and that they lost in the hope of an even better life. So people always count on a better life, and get even worse if it is not evolutionary development. Everyone concerns Syria, Ukraine, Libya, and we will be affected if we do not respond to the challenges facing the country.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 March 2016 07: 32
      +4
      Quote: kagorta
      because he did not provide the country with reforms and did not respond to the challenges facing Libya

      Yes, yes, yes, but NATO’s special services have nothing to do with it.
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 18 March 2016 07: 41
        -6
        You sit so innocent of yourself, and around the oath ... yki))). NATO and SAS special services and other special forces suck away where society is united, a strong army and navy and capable leadership (it is necessary to counteract). Burns only where it can burn.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 18 March 2016 08: 49
          +3
          Quote: kagorta
          where society is one, a strong army and navy and capable leadership

          A united society can only be found in fairy tales, everywhere you can find dissatisfied and just fools, and the possibility of creating an army capable of competing with NATO for a small state like Libya is unscientific fiction.
          1. kagorta
            kagorta 18 March 2016 08: 54
            0
            So look for allies, lure the Chinese or Russians, create an atomic bomb like North Korea. We didn’t follow Gaddafi only because, apart from "friendship," we did not have a joint business. And if there was?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 18 March 2016 13: 38
              +1
              Quote: kagorta
              we did not have a joint business. And if there was?

              Then what did our specialists do there who were evacuated with the outbreak of war? And he was looking for allies - only France was not the right partner with whom to deal.
          2. kagorta
            kagorta 18 March 2016 09: 06
            0
            Interest is the percentage of dissatisfied and another percentage of active among dissatisfied.
          3. Mr. Pippers
            Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 11: 00
            -4
            Quote: Dart2027
            and the possibility of creating an army capable of competing with NATO for a small state like Libya is unscientific fiction.

            This is more than possible, but not in a situation where almost the whole country is against you fellow
            1. Imperialkolorad
              Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 11: 18
              +2
              So the whole country. As always, in such situations, the active majority steers. The rest of the hutaskraynichi now in Ukraine. Now, the fruits of their inactivity sip in a full bowl.
              1. kagorta
                kagorta 18 March 2016 12: 44
                -4
                Where did the Free Syrian Army come from, all these brigades in Libya. At least half of the armies of these countries opposed the regimes. Many took the side of the Protestants with weapons and commanders at the head, even at the ministerial level. How you do not understand. This is a civil war. Unemployment with a high standard of living due to oil revenues was under 30%, and among the youth of Benghazi in general, probably half. We must first look at the economy. A bunch of Gaddafi’s kind crushed Libya, sat on the streams, and the rest was enviable.
                In Syria, it is almost the same, a handful of the Assad clan and their co-religionists, the Alawites, held the whole of Syria, there really was a policy of perishing, the "elevators" for the Sunnis were turned on, but not enough, and for the Kurds there were none at all, although it would have been necessary to counterbalance against the Sunnis. This is now the Kurds choose from the lesser evils. And the lesser evil Assad is for them.
                And about Hataskrayniki ... How many were at the time of the collapse of the Union Hatskraynikov. Almost everything on this site.
                1. Pissarro
                  Pissarro 18 March 2016 13: 11
                  +1
                  The free Syrian army is already a proven myth. They have been looking for them for months, they can’t find a single face with whom to speak and at least a small detachment is behind. In fact, these are gangs of foreign mercenaries, not Syrians, whose faces therefore can not be shown. As soon as these garbage squeezed out by military or negotiating means from the Syrian cities, the remaining local immediately made peace with the government

                  Libyan brigades are just tribal gangs whose ideology is robbery
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 18 March 2016 13: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: kagorta
                  Where did the Free Syrian Army come from, all these brigades in Libya. At least half
                  these brigades was an ordinary rabble, like what is now going to be part of the Daesh. As a matter of fact, he would have almost defeated them in a couple of months, and if not for NATO aviation, the remnants of these discontented people would now be in London and Brussels.
                  Quote: kagorta
                  a handful of the Assad clan and their co-religionists Alavites held all of Syria
                  And so the US is so concerned. Come up with something new.
                  1. kagorta
                    kagorta 18 March 2016 14: 06
                    -1
                    I do not care about the opinion of the United States with their concern. But I have my own opinion. Assad's son of a bitch, but that's our son of a bitch? I understand perfectly well that he is beneficial to us and no more, only for the sake of this he must be supported, but it is not necessary to make a light elf out of him, and to "canonize" Gaddafi, both are good and have brought their countries to the zugunder. And another question, how many months have passed from the beginning of the unrest to the beginning of NATO's intervention in Libya?
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 18 March 2016 15: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: kagorta
                      I do not care about the opinion of the United States with their concern. But I have my opinion

                      True? Then why do you repeat the tales they invented as a mantra?
                      Quote: kagorta
                      both are good and brought their countries to zugunder

                      Yes, yes, yes ... But why did it take intervention to overthrow them?
                      Quote: kagorta
                      And another question is how many months have passed from the beginning of the unrest to the start of the NATO intervention in Libya?

                      The incident in the city of Benghazi was February 15th.
                      French fighters entered Libyan airspace on March 19.
                      This is how weak Gaddafi’s power was - in a month he practically ended the gangs of terrorists and NATO had to invade openly, which at first they wanted to avoid.
                      And another question is how many months did NATO take to bomb in order to ensure victory for its puppets?
                      1. kagorta
                        kagorta 18 March 2016 16: 08
                        +1
                        They wrote on the top that in 2 months, Gaddafi would have dispersed the rabble.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 March 2016 16: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: kagorta
                        that in 2 months, Gaddafi would have dispersed the rabble

                        So he practically dispersed it.
                        Quote: kagorta
                        in a month, he practically killed gangs of terrorists and NATO had to invade openly, which at first they wanted to avoid.

                        About another month would have taken the final cleaning with catching small groups and individuals.
                      3. kagorta
                        kagorta 18 March 2016 19: 25
                        -2
                        In a month he was only able to recover the lost and went to the borders of the city of Benghazi. The UN, in view of the fact that it is planned to storm Benghazi using tanks, helicopters and heavy artillery, has adopted a resolution authorizing the use of force other than ground intervention. I do not like this situation, but at the same time I do not occupy any sides. I don’t care, because there were no interests of my country in Libya, and there were only the tales of Gaddafi with which he fed Yeltsin and then Putin, that everything would be cool and that oil tanker rivers would flow to us for our products, but did not flow.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 March 2016 20: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: kagorta
                        In a month he was only able to recover what was lost and went to the borders of the city of Benghazi

                        After the quick release of which, and the "fighters against the bloody regime" do not always shine with courage, everything would have ended.
                        Quote: kagorta
                        UN in view of the fact that it is planned to storm Benghazi using tanks, helicopters and heavy artillery
                        He agreed to use all of the above against law-abiding citizens of Libya in order to save the US embryo Daesh.
                        Quote: kagorta
                        I don’t care, because there were no interests of my country in Libya
                        Judging by the comments in the name of the interests of your country, they bombed her.
            2. Mr. Pippers
              Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 14: 53
              -1
              Quote: Dart2027
              these brigades was an ordinary rabble

              “What were you doing before the revolution?” I ask, referring to Zaidun.
              "I was a teacher at school."
              "Have you taught?"
              "Yes, but why are you surprised? Here Abdulatif, who is now sitting at the wheel, was a merchant, he had his own shop. Muhammad is a student. There are practically no military among us. You see, we can say that our country did not live all these forty-two years while it ruled dictator. Poverty, corruption, no medicine, if you suddenly get sick, you have to go to Tunisia, since there are practically no medicines and modern equipment in our country. The benefits were used only by groups of people close to Gaddafi. That is why we went on February 17 to a peaceful demonstration and demanded reforms. And when they started shooting at us with machine guns, we had nothing to lose. "
              Quote: Dart2027
              In fact, he would almost have defeated them in a couple of months.

              "Gaddafi never trusted us (the people of Benghazi), so only outdated weapons were kept in our city, unlike Sirte. For example, we use T-72 tanks, and they are T-90, which shoot further and have more destructive power. ", - says Zaidun.
              1. Pissarro
                Pissarro 18 March 2016 15: 09
                +1
                These scribbles are designed for full downs in the west. Links to such Zayduns are popular in the yellow western press and are targeted by their intellectual component to consumers of hamburgers.

                "Gaddafi never trusted us (the people of Benghazi), so only outdated weapons were kept in our city, unlike Sirte. For example, we use T-72 tanks, and they are T-90, which shoot farther and have more destructive power. "


                For reference, weapons are not stored in city residents, but at military bases controlled by the government.
                Tank T 90 never delivered to Libya
                And for the teacher, trader and student described by you, there is no difference, T 90 or T 72, if there is not one military among them, then the tank for them is a bunch of iron, they will not shoot from it further or more powerful.

                By the way, the cannon on the T 72 and T90 tanks in the export version is the same, 2A46. 125 mm.

                What other nonsense will you publish?
                1. Mr. Pippers
                  Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 16: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Pissarro
                  For reference, weapons are not stored in city residents, but at military bases controlled by the government.

                  For reference, weapons are stored at military bases located on the territory of the population of different loyalty to the ruling regime hi
                  And as the revolution showed, the bulk of the military in Libya did not want to fight for Gaddafi.
                  Quote: Pissarro
                  Tank T 90 never delivered to Libya

                  According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) at the end of 2010, the following were in service with the Libyan ground forces:
                  - 500 T-55 tanks;
                  - 100 T-62 tanks;
                  - about 200 T-72 tanks;
                  - 180 T-90 tanks.
                  BUT, there are opinions that they were delivered bypassing UN Security Council Resolution No. 843 - which prohibited, in particular, "A ban on the supply of all types of weapons and military equipment to Libya, including spare parts for already supplied equipment, as well as sending military and technical specialists to Libya "and I will remind you that we then for some reason very quickly merged our" ally " yes
                  Quote: Pissarro
                  By the way, the cannon on the T 72 and T90 tanks in the export version is the same

                  Well, what to expect from a "teacher, merchant and student" - they only know that the T-90 is more lethal fellow
                  By the way, it’s not a fact that the guns are the same in Libya - see above yes
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 18 March 2016 15: 39
                +1
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                Therefore, we came out on February 17 to a peaceful demonstration and demanded reforms.

                Quotes from the same:
                "I can't help you," he told me. "This laptop was provided to us by NATO, it has special programs loaded in it, according to which we coordinate our actions with aviation."
                Does NATO give access to special communications to anyone? Or tested and trained people?
                “We want to become martyrs (martyrs in a holy war),” Abdulatif said, addressing me. “And you don’t be afraid to die, after all, you’re a Muslim, Putin, right? So, if you die, you will also become a martyr, and, if God pleases you will go to heaven ".
                Something this reminds me of ... Yes, for sure - the training of suicide bombers.
                In the desert valleys, in which the majority of Libyan battles take place, mainly long-range artillery guns and multiple launch rocket systems fight.
                Just think - they do not have soldiers, but they easily use multiple rocket launchers. I wonder what kind of traders and students are these?
                In the car that took me east, the guys showed me frames in which Gaddafi’s supporters tortured prisoners and cut off their heads. I asked them to save me from this sight and buried myself in the window.
                And by itself, a professional journalist did not want to take these pictures with him in order to publish as evidence of Gaddafi's crimes. Strange journalist.
                1. Mr. Pippers
                  Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 16: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  "I can't help you," he told me. "This laptop was provided to us by NATO, it has special programs loaded in it, according to which we coordinate our actions with aviation."

                  I no one denies that NATO helped the rebels hi
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Yes, exactly - the training of suicide bombers.

                  No, they just have any war sacred and it is an honor to become a martyr - in fact, it is also an honor for us to become a hero and, on occasion, "die for the homeland." fellow
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  they easily use multiple rocket launchers.

                  Well, yes, part of the army was against Gaddafi.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  to publish as evidence of Gaddafi's crimes.

                  All this is there - but you don't think that the torture of people will be shown to you on the "first channel" ?! request
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 18 March 2016 18: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  no one denies that NATO helped the rebels
                  Helped or created?
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  No, they just have any war is sacred and it’s an honor to become a martyr
                  Here are just those who fight with Daesh do not shout about it.
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  Well, yes, part of the army was against Gaddafi.
                  You already decide, huh? Was there an army or who?
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  All this is there - but you do not think that the torture of people will be shown to you on the "first channel"
                  Here are just the death of Gaddafi, and even if not on the first, but evidence of his "crimes" is something that is not visible. Well, not counting the video filmed in the SAE.
                3. Mr. Pippers
                  Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Helped or created?

                  And how long do you think the population is tired of Gaddafi? fellow
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Was there an army or who?

                  It would be more correct to say that there were clans - there were military in the clans too fellow
                4. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 18 March 2016 23: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  And how long do you think the population is tired of Gaddafi?

                  And who said it was tired? A human rights organization based in Europe?
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  It would be more correct to say that there were clans - there were military in the clans too

                  That is, you acknowledge that it was not students and traders who fought, but professional thugs? Already good - apparently you will not argue with the rest?
                5. Mr. Pippers
                  Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And who said it was tired? A human rights organization based in Europe?

                  Well, come on, in order to understand that a closed and totalitarian state will in any case have worse economic and human development indicators than open and democratic ones, you do not need to use the services of respected specialists fellow
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  That is, you acknowledge that it was not students and traders who fought, but professional thugs?

                  You now wanted to say that the whole army went over to the side of the rebels ?! No, well, you, some remained loyal to the dictator and fought for a long time, apparently from special close clans who were especially dirty with blood during his reign wassat
                6. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 19 March 2016 06: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  Well, drop it, in order to understand that a closed and totalitarian state will in any case have the worst
                  Yes, yes, yes, we already heard that. For example, when they destroyed the USSR. That is, there is no evidence other than
                  Quote: Misters Pippers
                  respected specialists
                  who work for U.S. intelligence? Authoritative Witnesses.
    2. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 18 March 2016 22: 06
      +3
      Mr. Pippers, let it be known that the T-90 was never in service with the Libyan Armed Forces.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 18 March 2016 13: 39
    0
    Quote: Misters Pippers
    It is more than possible

    True? Do not write down the technology, otherwise I really want to broaden my horizons.
    1. Mr. Pippers
      Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 14: 55
      -1
      Quote: Dart2027
      Do not write down the technology, otherwise I really want to broaden my horizons.

      Why paint, do you think the soldiers-tanks fought there ?!
      There, Libyan citizens fought fellow
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 18 March 2016 15: 43
        +1
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        Why paint, do you think the soldiers-tanks fought there ?!

        True? You stated:
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        This is more than possible, but not in a situation where almost the whole country is against you

        In response to my statement that:
        Quote: Dart2027
        the possibility of creating an army capable of competing with NATO for a small state like Libya is unscientific fiction.

        Apparently you yourself are already confused in your tales?
        Returning to the beginning - how could Gaddafi create an army capable of fighting with NATO on equal terms?
        1. Mr. Pippers
          Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 23: 14
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          Apparently you yourself are already confused in your tales?

          No, NATO has a concept of "unacceptable damage" hi
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 18 March 2016 23: 18
            +2
            Quote: Misters Pippers
            No, NATO has a concept of "unacceptable damage"

            This is when it bombed the inhabitants of Libya who did not want "democracy"? Or when did it create ISIS?
            Quote: Dart2027
            Returning to the beginning - how could Gaddafi create an army capable of fighting with NATO on equal terms?
            1. Mr. Pippers
              Mr. Pippers 19 March 2016 00: 01
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              This is when it bombed the inhabitants of Libya who did not want "democracy"?

              What kind of "inhabitants" were they there who did not want to live in a normal country? laughing
              Quote: Dart2027
              Returning to the beginning - how could Gaddafi create an army capable of fighting with NATO on equal terms?

              This is with tens of billions of dollars annually flowing into his budget for decades and couldn’t that ?!
              In 2008, exports of 65 billion, and imports of 25 billion - and this, with a good salary of an ordinary Libyan of $ 100-200, is not enough for you ?! belay
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 19 March 2016 06: 15
              +1
              Quote: Misters Pippers
              What kind of "inhabitants" were they there who did not want to live in a normal country?
              Maybe the patriots of their country do not want its collapse? How are things with the onset of "democracy" there now?
              Quote: Misters Pippers
              This is with tens of billions of dollars

              That is, the budget of Libya was larger than the budget of the whole of NATO? Original
  • Vetal999
    Vetal999 18 March 2016 11: 30
    +2
    My personal corrections, as I see it: Any society is heterogeneous. The east is heterogeneous, the west is heterogeneous. Anglo-Saxons spoil us directly and / or indirectly constantly, therefore they are our system enemies. We often fought with the Romano-Germans (when we were pitted), but often and successfully traded - you can negotiate with them. There are Arabs, Greeks, Latin Americans, etc.
    (Note. Oshik's foreign policy of the USSR was that "they combed the entire capital. West under one comb" and allowed it to unite and consolidate politically and economically against the 1st USSR. So they overstrained themselves.)
    It burns where it is possible to unite the plakhisha (strange, but the “bad” for some reason always unite faster than the “good”), and where there is no strong-willed leader who is not afraid, the stench and can take personal responsibility for putting pressure on the “opposition” that has lost its banks with the aim of bringing her to a civilized discussion - to act without interfering with the life and work of the people around.
    So the task of diplomacy is to look for the "good" and prevent the "bad" from uniting. From this position it is interesting to assess the actions of amers and ours.
  • Pissarro
    Pissarro 18 March 2016 13: 05
    0
    The question is, where and in what state were the Libyan secret services. NATO special services from the same Syria did not achieve the fall of the state. Like in another hundred countries. Libya was too easy a prey.
  • Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 11: 16
    +1
    A little nuance. Almost one Saudi Arabia fights against Yemen, but the USA, England, France took part against Libya ...
    1. kagorta
      kagorta 18 March 2016 12: 34
      0
      So the resources allocated are quite comparable. If we compare the resources that the Americans and Europeans have allocated for Libya (extremely scanty, if we talk about aircraft, then only 50 pieces of fighters and reconnaissance aircraft), with the coalition of Saudi Arabia. Helicopters destroyed a couple, three brigades that remained faithful to Gaddafi and took him "lukewarm"
  • sergo42
    sergo42 18 March 2016 11: 20
    +2
    His misfortune is that he was trying to play games with the West, he will agree with him, like Saddam and Milosevic. And they finished the same way. But the DPRK sends everyone and is still alive.
    1. Kirill
      Kirill 18 March 2016 12: 00
      +1
      Any reels of small countries lead to such results. Gaddafi was either from the USSR, then from the KSA, then he was flirting with Europe. So I finished it. Although this does not justify the decision of Medvedev.
  • Pissarro
    Pissarro 18 March 2016 13: 03
    +1
    That's for sure, instead of keeping hundreds of billions in the banks of Europe (which the Democrats stole there), he could buy normal Russian weapons and create an army. All that Gaddafi’s army had were Soviet deliveries of the 70s. Have riches, know how to protect them
  • qwert
    qwert 18 March 2016 07: 09
    +9
    "From this terrible lesson of the bloody Libyan spring, only one thing can be learned: concessions to the West lead to a sea of ​​blood, to lawlessness, to the triumph of evil ... And if Russia then, on March 17, 2011, would not have made a concession and vetoed (which it joined would, most likely, China) "-
    And again, I want Russia to behave like the USSR. She was principled, was not afraid of anyone and defended her interests, although not only her own, but also the rights of all sovereign countries to self-determination. With the assassination of the USSR, the world began to slide into chaos. Libya, Ukraine, Syria and much, much more are the consequences of unlawful conspiracy in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
    1. 0255
      0255 18 March 2016 09: 18
      +3
      The USSR forced the United States to stop bombing Libya in 1986, and Reagan, who had threatened to "crush the evil empire", retreated.
  • Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 18 March 2016 07: 37
    +7
    Quote: Mangel Alys
    Purely human, sorry for Muammar Al-Gaddafi.

    I agree. It is also necessary to say that a state with great social guarantees was destroyed.
  • unknown
    unknown 18 March 2016 09: 46
    +4
    Quote: kagorta
    You sit so innocent of yourself, and around the oath ... yki))). NATO and SAS special services and other special forces suck away where society is united, a strong army and navy and capable leadership (it is necessary to counteract). Burns only where it can burn.


    In jurisprudence, this is called VICTIMITY. The tendency to be a victim of crime. For example: it’s his own fault that he could not cope with three armed robbers. A good tool in the hands of an experienced lawyer.

    And from the point of view of normal human morality?
    So all the yellow revolutions can be justified, including the 1917 coup.
    And the main fault of Kadafi is not money for SHORKOSI (that was the name of his ancestors, Hungarian gypsies), but plans to introduce a gold dinar into circulation.
    1. Mr. Pippers
      Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 10: 51
      -2
      Quote: ignoto
      In jurisprudence this is called VICTIMITY.

      Not in jurisprudence, but in criminology - and this is not called, but it is.
      The victims of certain crimes are usually certain people.
      And this does not justify the perpetrator, it simply explains his "motivation" to commit the act hi
      Applied to all "revolutions" - torn where thin - in countries with a strong economy and freedom of citizens, revolutions do not occur, it is a fact - revolutions and coups are a sign of backward and (or) dysfunctional countries! fellow
      1. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 11: 25
        +2
        Quote: Misters Pippers
        Revolutions and coups are a sign of backward and (or) dysfunctional countries!

        Was Libya weak and dysfunctional? Once again, you again show your absolute incompetence. Jamahiriya by social conditions was probably the most prosperous country in Africa. The army there was also quite sane by local standards. But she can not be compared with the armed forces of very developed and powerful countries. Still let me down the desire to keep all the same their assets in the west. Well, do not forget your favorite sausage, or rather the desire to get it in large quantities of part of the duped population.
        1. Mr. Pippers
          Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 12: 08
          -1
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          Was Libya weak and dysfunctional?

          Certainly.
          And I don’t need tales about "one of the most prosperous in Africa" ​​- where Libya is located does not matter for the characteristics of both its economy and the personality of Gaddafi himself!
          Libya is one of the largest exporters of oil and gas with a population equal to that of Finland, but what is Finland and what is Libya?
          Only the length of "hard-surface" roads in Finland is almost 2 times longer than in Libya - and this despite the fact that Libya itself is almost 6 times larger than Finland! fellow
          1. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 12: 55
            +2
            Quote: Misters Pippers
            almost 2 times more than in Libya - and this despite the fact that Libya itself is almost 6 times more than Finland!

            Like most of Libya is a desert. Can I roll it all in the asphalt?
            Quote: Misters Pippers
            And I don’t need tales about "one of the most prosperous in Africa" ​​- where Libya is located does not matter for the characteristics of both its economy and the personality of Gaddafi himself!

            Firstly, these are not fairy tales, but an unpleasant truth for you. And secondly, it really matters where the country is located. The same Nigeria has not weak reserves and oil, and that poor Nigerians live well from this? So even after dipping your precious face into the mud from the beginning, learn the materiel, and then carry the most terrible heresy.
            1. Mr. Pippers
              Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 14: 25
              0
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              Like most of Libya is a desert. Can I roll it all in the asphalt?

              And in Finland, 10% of the lake, 30% of the swamp, and even the river in the north is still very cold.
              And Libya is still 6 times bigger than Finland! wassat
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              The same Nigeria has not weak reserves and oil, and that poor Nigerians live well from this?

              They live poorly, if only because although Nigeria is one of the largest oil exporters, there is not one African among the largest oil companies in the world. hi
              1. Imperialkolorad
                Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 14: 42
                0
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                And in Finland, 10% of the lake, 30% of the swamp, and even the river in the north is still very cold.
                And Libya is still 6 times bigger than Finland!

                So 40 percent is not a big part. Who is there talking about 1 percent of arable land?
                Quote: Misters Pippers
                They live poorly, if only because although Nigeria is one of the largest oil exporters, there is not one African among the largest oil companies in the world.

                It was originally a matter of territorial location, and it is characteristic that I did not begin to pedal it intensively. So what could the evil Gaddafi be, and not the universally recognized universal people with Nigeria?
                1. Mr. Pippers
                  Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 15: 28
                  0
                  Quote: ImperialKolorad
                  Who is there talking about 1 percent of arable land?

                  And what does the percentage of arable land that is related to the length of roads ?! belay
                  But the population and territory have - even in Libya and the desert (and in Finka swamps), people still need to travel - in Libya, the length of roads (with worse quality) is 2 times less with an equal population and 6 times larger area !
                  Quote: ImperialKolorad
                  so what evil Gaddafi could, but not the universally recognized universal people with Nigeria?

                  What exactly could Gaddafi and could not in Nigeria ?! request
                  About Nigeria, by the way, no one says that it is a "cool country" - although in some respects it is even better than in Libya - Nigeria's GDP, by the way, is 5 times more than the Libyan one! wassat
                  1. Pissarro
                    Pissarro 18 March 2016 15: 37
                    +2
                    But the population and territory have - even in Libya and the desert (and in Finka swamps), people still need to travel - in Libya, the length of roads (with worse quality) is 2 times less with an equal population and 6 times larger area !


                    Who needs to travel along an uninhabited endless desert, away from the inhabited coast. In Finland, you can live everywhere, even by a swamp, even by a lake. In Libya, you can live only where there is water, that is, 5 percent of the territory. For whom you need to asphalt the desert and nowhere to pave the road?
                    1. Mr. Pippers
                      Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 16: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Pissarro
                      Who needs to travel through the uninhabited endless desert, away from the inhabited coast.

                      Those people who live there. Not all Libyan people live off the coast
                      Quote: Pissarro
                      In Finland, you can live everywhere, even by a swamp, even by a lake.

                      Most of the Finnish population also lives "by the Coast" - therefore, the population density in Finland is generally higher than in Libya.
                      But the length of the roads is still longer in Finland, because the greater length of the roads is their greater carrying capacity - and the carrying capacity is primarily dependent on the population of the country and the number of cars, and not on the size of the country - from here, for example, there are many stripes in megacities!
    2. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 18 March 2016 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: ignoto
      and plans for the introduction of the golden dinar.

      Totally agree with you.
    3. Kirill
      Kirill 18 March 2016 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: ignoto
      And the main fault of Kadafi is not money for SHORKOSI (that was the name of his ancestors, Hungarian gypsies), but plans to introduce a gold dinar into circulation.

      I think all these motives played a role. But the main thing is the US desire to reformat the Middle East.
  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 18 March 2016 10: 10
    +4
    The customs of cowboys and slave owners have not disappeared anywhere .. just the carriers moved to cars and high chairs. All the same contempt for the rest, not "Western" ... except that in public, scalps are not removed, bought up and burned at the stake ...
    And so the usual crusade, to please. The saddest thing is that such habits continue to live, only in the wrapper of the "defense of democracy" and other blizzards ...
  • Kirill
    Kirill 18 March 2016 12: 05
    +2
    Quote: Konstantin Yu.
    The saddest thing is that such habits continue to live, only in the wrapper of the "defense of democracy" and other blizzards ...

    The most unpleasant thing is that the electorate believes in this blizzard.
  • Calter
    Calter 18 March 2016 12: 57
    +2
    Quote: parusnik
    Five states - Russia, China, Germany, India and Brazil - abstained. Unfortunately, no one had the courage to vote against...Even if they blocked the resolution, the Americans went from the other side ... for the UN ... it’s not the same organization ...

    Hehe. If Teddy Bear had enough steel in eggs.x to use the veto, and NATO would start a military operation bypassing the UN, Russia, China and others. The "abstaining" could begin military assistance to Libya. And they would be right. But if there were 2-3 S-300 divisions, the victory of democracy would be greatly overshadowed. am
  • Waran
    Waran 18 March 2016 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Misters Pippers
    With regard to all "revolutions" - it breaks where it is subtle - in countries with a strong economy and citizens' freedoms, revolutions do not occur, this is a fact - revolutions and coups are a sign of backward and (or) disadvantaged countries!

    It’s fundamentally wrong, history shows us, with a careful look, all revolutions are brought in from outside and with the external support of those interested (mainly financial circles). It is enough to see who benefits from it.
    Dissatisfied inside can only rebel, strongly or weakly, but in the end, all riots are suppressed, sooner or later.
    Give an example if I'm wrong. Only not from antiquity, about which we reliably do not know anything.
    1. Mr. Pippers
      Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 14: 30
      -1
      Quote: WarAn
      It’s fundamentally wrong, history shows us, with a careful look, all revolutions are brought from outside and with the external support of those interested

      The fact that all the last revolutions are probably taking place under the control of the West I do not argue - this is so!
      I only thinly hinting to the fact that, for example, Norway or the UAE are no less rich in natural resources than Libya itself, but they live there significantly better than in Libya - and I, for example, in my right mind cannot imagine the revolution in Norway and the shootings of regular troops with "technical" request
      And if you think well, you will understand why hi
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 18 March 2016 14: 51
        +1
        I only hint subtly


        Yes, even thin, even thick, do not care. Both the Norwegians and the Emirates are subordinate to the West. Therefore, they are not afraid of color revolutions. If they try to twist their asses, they will quickly become undemocratic with all the consequences that arrive. Can you just confirm the fact that the citizens of Norway live better than the citizens of the Jamahiriya?
        1. Mr. Pippers
          Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 15: 32
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          Both the Norwegians and the Emirates are subordinate to the West.

          Quote: alicante11
          If they try to twist their asses, they will quickly become undemocratic with all the consequences that arrive.

          What do you mean "in submission"? and is Norway already east?
          And in general, why should they twist something, they are members of the world community, citizens of these countries live many times and even dozens of times better than residents of rogue countries - they are happy with everything in their place in the world!
          Quote: alicante11
          that the citizens of Norway live better than the citizens of the Jamahiriya?

          That is, for you this is not obvious ?! Should I cry or laugh? belay
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 18 March 2016 15: 51
            +1
            That is, for you this is not obvious ?! Should I cry or laugh?


            Your disease is known, it is called Eurocentrism, you do not have a critical upsurge of the West, there is only enthusiasm. Norway lives worse than Libya Gaddafi lived, since Norway never provided such socialism as Libya once. Despite the fact that the population of Norway is less than Libyan, nobody gave Norwegians any free bread, no free gas, no subsidies for a car or a hut, no salary in the absence of work, no loans at 0 percent. And you correctly noticed that Norway is a faithful six of NATO, because Harold’s 5 regime is still recognized as democratic laughing
            1. Mr. Pippers
              Mr. Pippers 18 March 2016 17: 10
              0
              Quote: Pissarro
              Your disease is known as Eurocentrism

              No, I don’t like Europe, but I don’t like the denial of obvious things and stupidity even more - and I would not say that there is a "paradise" in Norway, there are also plenty of our own problems, but in any case - there goooooaazdo is betterthan in Libya.
              Quote: Pissarro
              Despite the fact that the population of Norway is less than the Libyan

              They are almost the same.
              Quote: Pissarro
              no free bread, no free gas

              In normal countries, people can afford normal food (for example, fish and fruits, not bread) and gasoline without subsidies hi
              Quote: Pissarro
              no salary in the absence of work

              There are more benefits in Norway than salaries in Libya! laughing
              Quote: Pissarro
              Norway faithful six NATO

              What is "six" ?!
              On the international stage in the circle of diplomats say so?
              Why "soviet" prison "concepts" weave there, where people have completely different ideas about good and evil, about the relationship between each other request
  • alicante11
    alicante11 18 March 2016 14: 06
    +3
    One can only bow before the memory of an honest and brave man, a great patriot of a state builder. Muammar Gaddafi has forever taken a place in history and, I hope, that once the capitalist shackles will fall from the world, the truth will break through and he will be rewarded with well-deserved honors both at home and throughout the world.
    However, Muammar Gaddafi was not only a man, not only the leader of the Libyan revolution and the builder of the Jamahiriya. He was a politician, with the potential to become a world-class politician. And here it is worth talking about his mistakes, not in order to denigrate him, but so that others would not allow them. Gaddafi's problem is that his potential was higher than the small and weak field of activity that was presented by Libya. Under no circumstances could Libya, with its 6mln population, become a world power. Then Gaddafi was eager for world politics. Trying to rock the Arab world, African states, using considerable oil assets, he tried to buy European politicians in order to be able to lobby his policy. At the same time, Gaddafi did not give anyone the opportunity to stick his nose into the affairs of the Jamahiriya. Even close cooperation with the USSR did not prevent him from buying equipments in France for balance, even if this went to the detriment of the country's defense capabilities. Similarly, Gaddafi was not on the way with the oligarchic RF. It was disgusting for him to let capitalist predators into the country he created. And if it was necessary to put up with the inevitability of their arrival, it was necessary to maintain a balance for maneuvering between western and eastern predators. But no money, no words can ever be stronger than the power of the elites of the Great Powers. Politicians bought by Gaddafi either betrayed him as Sarkozy or silently stepped aside, like a more honest Berlusconi. Also, the surrounding states did not come to the aid of the Jamahiriya, at best (Algeria, Niger), and at worst, as the countries of the Arab League, even participated in its destruction. Also, Russian oligarchs and politicians did not forgive the independence and neglect of themselves in the 90 years. The oligarchs in the West and in the East do not need proud and independent people and politicians. They need obedient puppets that look in their mouths and more than the owners wallet love their own. As a result, the Jamahiriya was left face to face with the overwhelming forces of the West. In the struggle with which she could not win. Was Muammar Gaddafi right in not using the invitation from the Russian Federation to end his years at Rublevka? After all, he would have had enough funds for this. I do not know what I would have done in the place of a real Colonel. Recognize defeat and live on for the sake of children and grandchildren? Or perish with honor? Alik Kantor would follow the path of Gaddafi - definitely. And Lunev Roman? Figs knows ... But at least, it was not necessary to give the jackals a mockery of themselves. After all, you always need to leave yourself the last cartridge or grenade, so as not to deliver the last joy to the enemies, and even grab them with you for the sake of a warm company.
  • Roust
    Roust 18 March 2016 14: 33
    +1
    Peace be upon him! Good was the leader of Libya. He spoke openly to the West about his (West) decay.
  • Parfyon Rogozhin
    Parfyon Rogozhin 21 March 2016 14: 48
    -1
    The article is somewhat unclear .. The author does not see the whole picture, does not understand the reasons for the Libyan tragedy - and therefore does not name them.
    Gaddafi was Washington's BEST FRIEND; his children studied in America. But all this does not matter.
    Cherche la oil. For reference: the cost of producing a barrel of oil in the US is $ 8, for the Saudis - $ 5, and in Libya - $ 1!
    Now this oil flows into Tan for free. Good enough reason?
    The second reason was that they needed a spare base for the needles, and they created it there. Today, how come in handy! It will be there that the main base of the igles will be there, the bandits from our bombs drape there.
    Sarkozy is a pawn, lackey of Phashington, much weaker than Merkel, who had long since turned into an American litter. Sarkozy APPOINTED to bomb Libya, and the details could be any, even personal accounts, it doesn’t matter at all.
    It is strange that today, when all this has long been known and analyzed, such articles continue to appear, from which there is more fog than clarity.