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Syrian Kurds have announced the creation of a federal region in the north of the SAR. Damascus Reaction

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Syrian Kurds have announced the creation of a federal region in the north of the country. The leaders of the Democratic Union Party said that under current conditions it is federalization that is the best way to overcome the massive crisis of mistrust. The information on the creation of a federal region in Syria was confirmed by the head of the Syrian Kurdistan representative office in Moscow, Rodi Osman. His statement leads the news agency Interfax:
Yesterday, 200 delegates representing all national groups living in northern Syria began a meeting to discuss new governance in Syrian Kurdistan and in northern Syria as a whole. We made this decision based on the conviction that a solution to the Syrian crisis is possible through the federalization of Syria. It is difficult to talk about the preservation of the device with centralized control, as it, among other things, became the cause of the Syrian crisis.



Syrian Kurds have announced the creation of a federal region in the north of the SAR. Damascus Reaction


It became known that the creation of a federal region in Syria was supported by the Kurds of neighboring Iraq and Syria.

Aso Talabani, head of the Iraqi Kurdistan representative office in Moscow:
These are our brothers, and they believe that the time has come for this to create a separate federal entity. We support their decision.

The decision of the Syrian Kurds commented on in the Kremlin. According to the press secretary of the president of the Russian Federation, "Syrian citizens need to solve problems inclusively." Dmitry Peskov noted that it is important for Russia that Syria remain a single state on the basis of agreements between all Syrian communities.

The decision of the Kurds sharply criticized the official Damascus. Information Agency SANA publishes a statement from the CAP MFA:
The Syrian government warns against any attempt to undermine the unity of Syria and territorial integrity, under what names they would have acted.


It is somewhat strange that individuals continue to consider federalization as an “undermining of territorial integrity.” Poroshenko is brushing off the federalization of Ukraine, and Assad is now brushing off the federalization of Syria. However, the countries of a federal structure — Russia, Germany, the USA, and others — in their experience do not give reason to say that a federation is an unequivocal disintegration.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 17 March 2016 15: 50
    +5
    An interesting move. Now Turkey will have to cooperate with Assad. Or Assad to go for federalization. Or civil war. The Donbass scenario is repeated. In the Donbass, too, they first asked for federalization and the Russian language as the second state language. And it resulted in a civil war.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 March 2016 15: 52
      +7
      Quote: Wend
      Interesting move

      Bad move.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 17 March 2016 15: 53
        +14
        Quote: RUSS
        Bad move.
        I think to agree!
        However, the countries of the federal structure - Russia, Germany, the United States and others in their own experience do not give reason to say that the federation is an unambiguous collapse.
        However, in Syria, this is completely different! And this impulse was probably initiated by the USA with an eye precisely on a new round of revolution, already legally, and as a result - on collapse! And in the end - still carrying out oil and gas pipelines through Syria to Turkey! Through the newly equipped, the United States federal districts! (even for them they will be 100-200 meters wide! The main thing is from south to north of Syria!)
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 March 2016 16: 10
          +5
          Quote: Baikonur
          However, the countries of the federal structure - Russia, Germany, the USA and others in their own experience do not give reason to say that the federation is unambiguous decay
          Not unambiguous, but very possible. We saw all this on the example of our country, after Lenin "federalized" the Russian Empire. During the 20th century, Russia lost a third of its territories precisely due to the federal structure. Special thanks to the EBN and the bald one - before the ASSR had no opportunity to secede from Russia. Now it is. hi
          1. demchuk.ig
            demchuk.ig 17 March 2016 16: 19
            +6
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Earlier, the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic did not have the opportunity to secede from Russia. Now it is.

            I believe that the state should do everything so that people do not have a desire to leave the state, that is, improve the standard of living, and not vice versa!
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 March 2016 16: 29
              +6
              Quote: demchuk.ig
              I believe that the state should do everything

              This is unequivocal, with any form of government. But it is better not to tempt fate - there are still external forces speculating in a fairy tale about a better life under independence. I mean that the federal structure of the country in any case is the Achilles heel of any state. hi
              1. igor67
                igor67 17 March 2016 16: 51
                +5
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: demchuk.ig
                I believe that the state should do everything

                This is unequivocal, with any form of government. But it is better not to tempt fate - there are still external forces speculating in a fairy tale about a better life under independence. I mean that the federal structure of the country in any case is the Achilles heel of any state. hi

                Hi namesake, if the federalization is so bad, why require a federal device from Ukraine?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 17 March 2016 17: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: igor67
                  Why require a Fed from Ukraineиa real device?

                  Hi Igor! I thought you would understand! wink
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 17 March 2016 18: 02
                    +9
                    Something I do not believe in the GOOD outcome of this Kurdish venture with the Self-Federation in the north of the SAR without the consent and consent of the government of the SAR, i.e. with the entire population of Syria.

                    First of all, it is really "separatism". We fought together, and in the end - ON the EVE of complete (!) Victory - we split up! How !!! Such things did not lie close to Ukraine. It cannot even be compared with the "federation" of the DPR and LPR, if someone, by naivety, still compares.
                    It seems that this is about satisfying the ambitions of some commanders of Kurdish military units. It is not known what they really were guided by, but they certainly weren’t guided by the good, because otherwise they would have acted in concert with the government of the SAR — they would not have climbed. And they acted, in fact, as proto-anarchists. Moreover, it is known that there is no unity among the serial Kurds on the issue of the Samo Federation of Kurds in the SAR. The voluntarism of individuals among the Kurds is evident. But the Americans there, with representatives of the Kurdish opposition “elite”, probably worked “gloriously”! In fact, this is to be expected.
                    In addition, it is strategically important - geographically, in what place did the Kurds “seize” the SAMO Federation without agreeing with the ATS government? It is possible that these are the territories that Erdogan himself claims with his Turkish oil raider business in the theft and export of Syrian oil by Turkey. In this case, then the Kurds themselves have no prospects for their pseudo-federal statehood in these Syrian regions, besides exacerbating the crisis in the BV, there is simply NO and their actions are a provocation.
                    Thus, assessing the whole situation, you don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to understand that the struggle for the Self-Federation of Kurds in this region of the ATS: 1) will look like a betrayal of the common cause of the Syrians and Kurds for their liberation from the Turks and their minions - militants of terrorist groups; 2) weaken the Kurds themselves in an internecine civil war, which 3) will end with the annexation of the northern territories of the SAR in favor of Turkey - while the indignant Kurds, the Turks will simply “clean up” the genocide in this territory again and drive the Kurdish refugees back to the SAR. Here the Kurdish Federation of SAR will be lost by the Kurds to the Turks and the pro-Turkish Islamist militants.
                    And what do you call all this? Well, only by the stupidity and treason of some party Kurdish leaders to their people and the peoples of the SAR.
                    1. Barnaul, Altai
                      Barnaul, Altai 17 March 2016 20: 48
                      +2
                      Tatiana, bravo for the analysis!
                      Let me remind you that in the north of Syria, the Americans are completing a second airfield.
                      Perhaps they "muddy the water".
                      Now they will begin to attack Turkey from this territory.
                      And all the same, the Turks are allies with NATO, but the United States really wants to have a controlled state in transit.
                      Like you (Syria, Russia) they did not give us a pipeline from Qatar to Turkey to build, and we will make a barrier here.
                    2. The stranger
                      The stranger 18 March 2016 01: 25
                      0
                      Yes, everything is easier there.
                      You attacked Turkey in 1878, for us it was the Russo-Turkish Liberation War. The reason for it was the massacre during the April Uprising of 1876, when the Turks slaughtered almost a third of our population.
                      The Kurds have it last 150 years, it turns out. They have no one to hope for except you. Could and on us, only communications have long been lost, and no common border. Even in Turkish, no one knows how. But it happens with Kurds, despite the language barrier. Let's overcome it.
                      Any Kurdish autonomy will tear Turkey’s ass as it does not even in cartoons. From this, my country will be very bad, because they rummage here, but there is no army. But if you are interested and move, then maybe we will stand on Volokalamka.
                    3. mervino2007
                      mervino2007 18 March 2016 03: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      And what do you call all this?

                      The lack of federalization is one of the reasons for the outbreak of civil war in Syria. Assad, so far, did not understand that his strength is not enough for victory. An alternative - a new hundred-year war? They tell you-and the Russian Federation, this is federalization. One must be realistic. And not CRANE in the sky.
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              2. EvgNik
                EvgNik 17 March 2016 17: 08
                +3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                In any case, the federal structure of a country is the Achilles heel of any state.

                Especially if a federal republic is located on the border with another state in which there is a population of the same nationality. There will be a temptation to unite the people, and where then the matter will turn, who knows.
            2. Foxmara
              Foxmara 17 March 2016 16: 30
              +7
              Quote: demchuk.ig
              I believe that the state should do everything so that people do not have a desire to secede from this state!

              weak authorities will all run away. regardless of device.
          2. Sartorius
            Sartorius 17 March 2016 16: 50
            +2
            Not. The right of secession (the ability to secede from the Russian Federation) is not provided for in the current Constitution.
          3. minus
            minus 17 March 2016 17: 38
            0
            You are not right!!! Which subject of the RSFSR is lost ??? The USSR was not a federation. There was a union of individual socialist states. The RSFSR did not lose a single region.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 March 2016 20: 54
              0
              Quote: Minus
              The USSR was not a federation

              And what is a federation? wink The creation of the USSR was the federalization of Russia. hi
              1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 18 March 2016 10: 06
                0
                This is not entirely true. RI broke up, but a few years later the Bolsheviks established control over the fallen off states and then they were driven back, creating the USSR. Some were returned only before the Second World War. Federalization was present only in the situation with the separation from the RSFSR of individual union republics.
        2. FenH
          FenH 17 March 2016 16: 35
          0
          Quote: Baikonur
          Quote: RUSS
          Bad move.
          I think to agree!
          However, the countries of the federal structure - Russia, Germany, the United States and others in their own experience do not give reason to say that the federation is an unambiguous collapse.
          However, in Syria, this is completely different! And this impulse was probably initiated by the USA with an eye precisely on a new round of revolution, already legally, and as a result - on collapse! And in the end - still carrying out oil and gas pipelines through Syria to Turkey! Through the newly equipped, the United States federal districts! (even for them they will be 100-200 meters wide! The main thing is from south to north of Syria!)

          Syrian Kurds and Iraqi Kurds are two different branches of development and culture, they will go ahead among themselves, than will unite
        3. demo
          demo 17 March 2016 16: 44
          +13
          The shortest distance between two point is a straight line.
          Draw a line from Kuwait (Oman) to Lebanon - this is 1300 km.
          And to Ankara (Turkey) - it is 2300 km.
          What is the point of building a gas pipeline a thousand miles longer?
          Moreover, in the first case there are no mountains.
          So it’s easier.
          Again, Israel will squeeze into the project.
          So the reason for the war in Syria is not a gas pipeline.

          Just look at how and who comes to sign the ceasefire.

          Sheikh, under the arms of 100-150 people - is already a politician.
          Important, the price does not add up.

          Now imagine a hundred such super ambitious pompous turkeys.
          Submitted?
          And everyone in her ear whispered that he could get absolute independence and independence.
          Here everything will start to jump.

          In countries such as Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc. only a repressive state is possible on the list.
          Those. hard or brutal force.
          They understand only power and are afraid of it.
          As soon as the power disappeared, fear disappeared, ambitions reigned.
          1. igor67
            igor67 17 March 2016 18: 06
            +4
            Quote: demo
            The shortest distance between two point is a straight line.
            Draw a line from Kuwait (Oman) to Lebanon - this is 1300 km.
            And to Ankara (Turkey) - it is 2300 km.
            What is the point of building a gas pipeline a thousand miles longer?
            Moreover, in the first case there are no mountains.
            So it’s easier.
            Again, Israel will squeeze into the project.
            So the reason for the war in Syria is not a gas pipeline.

            Just look at how and who comes to sign the ceasefire.

            Sheikh, under the arms of 100-150 people - is already a politician.
            Important, the price does not add up.

            Now imagine a hundred such super ambitious pompous turkeys.
            Submitted?
            And everyone in her ear whispered that he could get absolute independence and independence.
            Here everything will start to jump.

            In countries such as Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc. only a repressive state is possible on the list.
            Those. hard or brutal force.
            They understand only power and are afraid of it.
            As soon as the power disappeared, fear disappeared, ambitions reigned.

            A gas pipeline through Turkey to Europe is probably preferable, the offshore section is not large, and all is more stable than in Lebanon, plus Turkey itself can sit on this gas and is more solvent than small Lebanon
          2. Inok10
            Inok10 17 March 2016 19: 22
            +4
            Quote: demo
            The shortest distance between two point is a straight line.

            ... fundamentally wrong ... it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ... hi
            Quote: demo
            Draw a line from Kuwait (Oman) to Lebanon - this is 1300 km.
            And to Ankara (Turkey) - it is 2300 km.
            What is the point of building a gas pipeline a thousand miles longer?
            Moreover, in the first case there are no mountains.
            So it’s easier.
            Again, Israel will squeeze into the project.
            So the reason for the war in Syria is not a gas pipeline.

            ... it’s a gas pipeline and even more so an oil pipeline and it’s through Syria and Turkey ... You didn’t take into account that one field cannot become a key supply point ... in the end, it was thought to guess who to link the oil and gas supplies through the network pipelines from the following points of delivery:
            - Iran - South Pars
            - Kuwait - South Pars
            - Israel - Leviathan
            - Lebanon - Leviathan
            - Cyprus - Leviathan
            - Syria - Leviathan, Day Ezor, Hama
            - Azerbaijan - Caspian
            - Turkmenistan - Caspian
            ... ah, here, without Syria, no matter how ... Turkey is like a hub ... here is a good illustration of the intentions of the strip-star ... hi
        4. mashinist
          mashinist 17 March 2016 18: 28
          +1
          The habitat of the Kurds is only the northeast of the ATS! How do they get to the border with Jordan? Google it!
      2. marl
        marl 17 March 2016 15: 59
        +15
        Quote: RUSS
        Interesting move

        Very untimely move. The impression that the Americans are looking for ways to frustrate the peace process, in this case, through the Kurds.
        1. demchuk.ig
          demchuk.ig 17 March 2016 16: 24
          +2
          Quote: marna
          The impression that the Americans are looking for ways to frustrate the peace process, in this case, through the Kurds.

          On the subject of the Americans, no one doubted!
          1. oxana_iv
            oxana_iv 17 March 2016 16: 47
            +2
            Quote: demchuk.ig
            Quote: marna
            The impression that the Americans are looking for ways to frustrate the peace process, in this case, through the Kurds.

            On the subject of the Americans, no one doubted!



            I doubt it)))
            Rather, I doubt that the United States alone rule there. Russia on the Kurdish issue has also done quite well lately. In another thread, I already tried to draw the attention of the public to such events as the supply of Russian weapons to Iraqi Kurds (quite demonstrative, and with promises to give more soon) and the opening of a Kurdish representative office in Moscow. And the withdrawal of part of the troops from Syria is, perhaps, along with other goals, also an instrument of our pressure on Assad so that he does not oppose the federation?
            As for the territorial integrity of Syria, it is no longer there, and is the federation better than nothing at all?
            And hardly darling Erdogan sleeps calmly after such news wink
        2. FenH
          FenH 17 March 2016 16: 37
          +1
          Quote: marna
          Quote: RUSS
          Interesting move

          Very untimely move. The impression that the Americans are looking for ways to frustrate the peace process, in this case, through the Kurds.

          How will he break? Assad Kurds and did not control request He himself is better off putting the problems with the Turkish border on the shoulders of the Kurds
          1. marl
            marl 17 March 2016 20: 20
            0
            Quote: FenH
            How will he break?

            The fact that there is no sustainable cease-fire yet now raise the issue of federalization. There is a civil war going on, each sheikh has his own army, if I may say so, and they not only fight with Assad, but also deal with each other. It is necessary to stop shooting, then it is possible to begin to engage in the state system. The fact that the Kurds have long suffered their federation has long been clear. The main thing is that the parade of sovereignty does not start from this precedent, then you can completely forget about the integrity of the state, they themselves will fall apart from the inside.
      3. Vend
        Vend 17 March 2016 16: 06
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Wend
        Interesting move

        Bad move.

        It will become clear soon.
      4. 2s1122
        2s1122 17 March 2016 16: 14
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Wend
        Interesting move

        Bad move.

        GO NORMAL! THE MAIN UNDER WHICH SAUCE TO SAVE IT.
        1. larand
          larand 17 March 2016 16: 40
          0
          Quote: 2s1122
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Wend
          Interesting move

          Bad move.

          GO NORMAL! THE MAIN UNDER WHICH SAUCE TO SAVE IT.

          What is there, behind a shabby curtain of darkness? Fortune-telling confused minds. A moment will come and the curtain will collapse. We will see how wrong we were. (Khayyam)
      5. Foxmara
        Foxmara 17 March 2016 16: 26
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Bad move.

        -Syrian Kurds are supervised by the United States. could "prompt"
        -They remained quite a significant force in the fight against barmaley for a long time. quite rightly desire to record the results.
        Assad could react more simply.
        But, nevertheless, there must be a dialogue, self-proclamation is not buzzing.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 17 March 2016 17: 38
          0
          Assad didn’t react in any way. Even no Syrian official spoke out in any way. SANA referred to an anonymous source in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. On the SANA website (he is in Russian as well) there is a link to an anonymous source, and not to a specific official
      6. FenH
        FenH 17 March 2016 16: 33
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Wend
        Interesting move

        Bad move.

        Normal move. In terms of Ukraine, it is very beneficial for us
      7. Blondy
        Blondy 17 March 2016 17: 42
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Wend
        Interesting move
        Bad move.

        Glanula on the map, the Syrian Kupdistan has already appeared on Wikipedia, occupies almost the entire territory in the north along the Syrian-Turkish border. And I remembered how the States supported the Kurds even after Erdogan, and how Qatar and the United States wanted to draw a pipeline through Syria, but Assad sent them - which is why the Syrian war began. So, but will the guys get the opportunity to run this pipeline through Kurdistan for the benefit of the prosperity of Qatar and the American project and the deterioration of the position of Russian oil and gas companies.
        1. Tu-214R
          Tu-214R 17 March 2016 17: 51
          0
          So after all they write that Russia supports the Kurds, puts pressure on official Damascus, even the VKS were recalled to allegedly put pressure on Assad. We also supply weapons to Iraqi Kurds. Is it to the detriment of the interests of our oil companies?
          1. marl
            marl 17 March 2016 20: 29
            0
            Quote: Tu-214P
            Russia supports the Kurds, puts pressure on official Damascus, even the videoconferencing was recalled to allegedly put pressure on Assad

            Well, there are different opinions. There is one such thing that they want to put Iran in its place, because it behaves, to put it mildly, not as our ally in oil, and in Syria it is not particularly tense.
        2. Barnaul, Altai
          Barnaul, Altai 17 March 2016 22: 11
          0
          Here I am about the same ...
          although they won’t build a pipe, they won’t give Syria either.
      8. Lelek
        Lelek 17 March 2016 18: 19
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Bad move.


        Well, why not? If the federalization of Syria is carried out cleverly and by the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, and not by the guys from "walk the field", then this is precisely the only correct move, otherwise a new surge of civil confrontation. But first of all, a constitution is needed, which will regulate all relationships on the basis of the LAW. Something like this IMHO. yes
      9. Ride78
        Ride78 17 March 2016 19: 56
        +1
        Still clear.
        We, as always, are ahead of the curve and their moves are miscalculated, but ours are usually late and then try to catch the outgoing steam engine (the great exception of Crimea). And after the Crimea, the point began to play again because it jerked strongly.
        Meanwhile, you lifted sanctions from Iran, made friends with the Kurds, and poor Erdogashka (who believed that they would be allowed to be in the region at least some real power ... They need Erdogashka only to seize the Crimea, because Ukrainians were completely unable to on what.) Therefore - now under pressure on the Turks, they say we’ll cut you here together with Iran and Syria into pieces from completely Kurdistan, will make them more and more lean on work to loosen the Crimea from the inside, and if it doesn’t work out - during an open war with Russia. Then, with the help of Kurdistan, both Turkey and Iran will be ruined. In general, everything is as always - with the wrong hands.
      10. Dam
        Dam 17 March 2016 20: 09
        0
        Very bad, the war between the Kurds and Turkey is becoming inevitable. Intra-Syrian problems so far are unlikely to aggravate from this, Assad has something to do even without Kurds
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    3. gray smeet
      gray smeet 17 March 2016 15: 54
      0
      For me it’s at least a monarchy, at least anarchy, at least a federation in Syria - only barmales to the wall!
      do not get into a fight for us, because of their Syrian state devices or someone wants to feed the friendly socialist countries, as in the good old days, for loyalty to us?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 17 March 2016 15: 55
        +3
        Quote: gray smeet
        For me it’s at least a monarchy, at least anarchy, at least a federation in Syria - only barmales to the wall!

        This is the problem, they divide Syria without destroying the main enemy of Syria ISIS.
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      3. PKK
        PKK 17 March 2016 16: 26
        0
        Here Assad is right, just give a loophole and the Yankers will drag an elephant. Volodya cannot be as tough as Assad, he has a dialogue with everyone. So that everyone plays a role. Until we lose.
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    5. RUSS
      RUSS 17 March 2016 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      Interesting move

      How did you quickly edit your comment laughing , for a couple of minutes it was short- "An interesting move. "
      1. Vend
        Vend 17 March 2016 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Wend
        Interesting move

        How did you quickly edit your comment laughing , for a couple of minutes it was short- "An interesting move. "

        The thought does not stand still laughing
    6. 79807420129
      79807420129 17 March 2016 16: 07
      +8
      Quote: Wend
      An interesting move.

      An interesting move would be when all the barmaley would be beaten, and now this vodka is pouring into the mill of mattress covers.
    7. Deniska
      Deniska 17 March 2016 16: 08
      +5
      An interesting move. Now Turkey will have to cooperate with Assad. Or Assad to go for federalization. Or civil war. The Donbass scenario is repeated. In the Donbass, too, they first asked for federalization and the Russian language as the second state language. And it resulted in a civil war.


      In my opinion, the federalization of Syria is the first step towards an independent Kurdistan. Most likely, in the future this will result in the unification of the Syrian, Iraqi and Turkish Kurds into a single state, possibly with an attempt to attract Iranian Kurds. Worse or better, I will not presume to judge. East is a delicate matter.

      I mean the historical boundaries.
      1. Deniska
        Deniska 17 March 2016 16: 11
        +2
        I mean the historical boundaries.


        Although if you take the territory where they live, the borders may be different.
    8. FenH
      FenH 17 March 2016 16: 32
      +2
      Quote: Wend
      An interesting move. Now Turkey will have to cooperate with Assad. Or Assad to go for federalization. Or civil war. The Donbass scenario is repeated. In the Donbass, too, they first asked for federalization and the Russian language as the second state language. And it resulted in a civil war.

      As one of the versions, it was that Russia withdrew part of the troops precisely because of pressure on Assad with federalization. Forced Assad, the parashenko will not get loose, so federalization is an acceptable option for Russia hi
    9. siberalt
      siberalt 17 March 2016 16: 52
      +3
      Kurdish autonomy for Syria and Iraq is no longer fundamental. Harder with Iran, but for Turkey - full kirdyk laughing
    10. Homo
      Homo 17 March 2016 18: 46
      0
      Quote: Wend
      An interesting move. Now Turkey will have to cooperate with Assad. Or Assad to go for federalization. Or civil war.

      But Assad was not against federalization, but after the end of the war. Ruin!
    11. g1v2
      g1v2 17 March 2016 19: 03
      0
      Federalization still implies a single country. If anyone does not know the Russian Federation, the United States and Germany are federations. Most likely this is exactly the compromise with the help of which our diplomats were able to agree with the Kurds and the SAA on joint actions. Damascus’s reaction is not too harsh; most likely they were aware of this. The main thing is that we are not talking about the independence of Kurdistan, which means the rest is already a matter of negotiations.
  2. Santa bear
    Santa bear 17 March 2016 15: 51
    0
    Syrian Federation. Pros, cons of this option?
    1. dogens
      dogens 17 March 2016 16: 41
      0
      Quote: Santa Bear
      Syrian Federation


      No one talks about the Syrian Federation, exactly until that moment, either Assad or a popular referendum (annexation for the inhabitants of Ukraine) of the whole country will not decide to come to a new state system as a whole country. Then there will be the Syrian Federation, which will include (suppose) the Republic of Kurdistan, as an administrative unit. So far, as we understand Assad is against, and the question of the Syrian Federation is not worth it. And what is the way out of this? only as in the Donbass, or a civil war for a new state, or the adoption of requirements under conditions requiring. If a civil war (and it seems to me now it will be so, and thank God we brought out part of our equipment) then pay attention to
      It became known that the creation of a federal region in Syria was supported by the Kurds of neighboring Iraq and Syria.

      fine? Have you imagined? Residents of the city of Krakow (Poland) supported the creation of the federal region Smolensk Republic as part of the Russian Federation. No, well, is that normal? )) I think this suggests that this federal region will become a full-fledged republic, such plans and bets seem to be on it. To then add Iraqi Kurdistan there, and then Turkish. These are the multi-passers.
    2. atalef
      atalef 17 March 2016 17: 56
      +4
      Quote: Santa Bear
      Syrian Federation. Pros, cons of this option?

      Pros - maintaining bases in Alavistan, cons - the collapse of Syria.
      There are no federal states on the BV and will not be. Not that mentality - a federation of 3 days leads to the collapse of individual states.
  3. DMoroz
    DMoroz 17 March 2016 15: 52
    +7
    The decision was supported by Iraqi Kurds. Erdogan’s reaction is interesting if the Turkish also support ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 March 2016 15: 58
      +5
      Quote: DMoroz
      Erdogan’s reaction is interesting if the Turkish also support ...

      And also Iranian .....
  4. RUSS
    RUSS 17 March 2016 15: 53
    +5
    Quote: Santa Bear
    Syrian Federation. Pros, cons of this option?

    The plus is that the federation is most likely needed, the minus is that it is difficult to create in Syria, and Assad is against it ....
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 17 March 2016 16: 12
      +1
      Great Maxim!
      Quote: RUSS
      I’m more likely to need a federation

      What for? What would be the reason for the division of the country in the future? request
      1. oxana_iv
        oxana_iv 17 March 2016 17: 17
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: RUSS
        I’m more likely to need a federation

        What for? What would be the reason for the division of the country in the future? request


        There and so, in fact, is no longer a country, but a patchwork quilt. Assad controls only part of the territory, and does not even pry into the Kurdish regions. And he owes these achievements mainly to the RF Aerospace Forces, without which he would have been in the next world or in the dock. Assad has no real levers in his hands to re-create a united Syria, even with the emerging "peace process" in mind.
        So the adult uncles will decide the Kurdish issue hi
      2. dogens
        dogens 17 March 2016 17: 36
        +2
        That is the point. And the section is already underway. And from that moment on, it will also be diplomatically launched in full swing.
    2. Lieutenant Izhe
      Lieutenant Izhe 17 March 2016 16: 32
      +2
      Yes and Assad against ....

      Ah, Assad’s opinion is not so important for the Kurds, because they themselves protect their land!
      For "crazy" patriots, I want to bring the fact that Turkey still has a REASON be unhappy the Assad family, like Russia has similar accounts to Georgia, Saudi Arabia and others for supporting Chechen fighters and terrorists. Not so "white and fluffy" this family of Assads, as indeed, and all the eastern despots ...
      The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) regularly "dirty tricks" in the border regions of Turkey (under the patronage of Assad-papa), while its leadership (Comrade Ajalan) and militants successfully took refuge in the Syrian adjacent territory, as soon as the Turkish army carried out a military operation to clean up their border areas from Kurdish militants ...
      I believe that the "unification" of Kurdistan will spill out in a trenchant way of the Yugoslav internecine strife, a la "Afghanistan" with communal clans and "sovereign" territories ...
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 17 March 2016 16: 48
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        Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
        Ah, Assad’s opinion is not so important for the Kurds, because they themselves protect their land!

        Well, it’s completely logical that the Kurds want to get privileges for themselves, at least in the form of autonomy. Why are they fighting then? Certainly not for the sake of Assad, who brought nothing good to them and who, even when his power was hanging by a thread, did not want to hear anything about autonomy. The Kurds, in fact, bear the brunt of the fight against ISIS, and Turkey regularly stabs in the back. They were not even invited to the negotiations, although they control a quarter of the territory of Syria. And to believe the words, about the fact that we’ll win, and then the good Assad will bestow autonomy, it is very reminiscent of how a certain Ukrainian leader spoke out about the population of Crimea
        "It is necessary to give the scum any such promises, guarantees and make any concessions. And hang up ... Hang them up later."
  5. sever.56
    sever.56 17 March 2016 15: 54
    +8
    So the fruits of the help of the Americans to the Syrian Kurds begin to appear.
    Federalization is good when there is a strong center, when there is a single constitution, when the army is subordinate only to the center, and there are no separate armies of the subject of the federation and other attributes that allow you to behave as you like.
    Alas, while the central government in Syria is not as strong as we would like. In general, the Middle East is not a region where federalization is possible. For centuries there have been gravitating towards autocracy - sultanates, emirates and others, in fact dictatorships.
    Russia, Germany and the USA are a completely different case. Even in mentality, culture, upbringing and customs, we are completely different.
    I’m afraid that the federalization of Syria is one of the ways to divide united Syria into patchwork states ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 March 2016 16: 00
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      Quote: sever.56
      So the fruits of the help of the Americans to the Syrian Kurds begin to appear.
      Federalization is good when there is a strong center

      Yes, for sure, the rest is like separatism, for example, in Iraq, Iraqi Kurdistan de jure is part of Iraq, and de facto an independent state.
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  6. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 17 March 2016 15: 54
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    I suggested in a parallel branch that this was one of the reasons for our slight pressure on Assad by withdrawing 3 links of the planes. They made it clear that you’ll have to put up with this - give the Kurds a piece of land, let them create a state. And since the Syrians and Kurds fought together against the Yagil, etc., they understand the price of peace and war, we can hope for peace and cooperation between them.
    And there we will return Ararat to the Armenians. And the Turks also owe a lot to the Kurds.
  7. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 17 March 2016 15: 55
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    Interestingly, maybe this was the reason for the withdrawal of our group. Most likely, the agreement with the Kurds was .... but the official Damascus is against, it is not clear ....
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 March 2016 15: 56
    +2
    Are the Iraqi Kurds a Barzani renegade? Who sniffed with the Ottomans, or are they "other Kurds"? In the East they will cut your throat with a goose feather. It doesn't matter what the beginning of the country's disintegration is called. Everyone has already become convinced that no democratic institutions operate there.
  9. dogens
    dogens 17 March 2016 15: 57
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    Syrian Kurds announce the creation of a federal region in the north of the country


    We recall the withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces. Hmm. This is apparently a stumbling block. Russia cannot be friends with the Kurds and Assad at the same time. Apparently the question arises who to support in the issue of such federalization. Therefore, everyone began to talk about "the RF lever for pressure on Assad in the Geneva talks" (conditionally, the media printed something like that). Now it becomes clear why Russia will have to put pressure on Assad, or where Assad could put pressure on Russia. I doubt Assad needs Kurdistan so badly on his territory. To protect and keep his borders in their present position, who would he turn to? eh, left on time.
  10. Gunther
    Gunther 17 March 2016 15: 59
    +1
    According to a spokesman for the president of the Russian Federation,
    “Syrian citizens need inclusively tackle
    Problems"

    It is interesting what this means in translation from Volapyuk Peskov.
    The federalization of Syria in this situation does not at all deny a single state - this is a healthy option, and we must take into account the Turks who oppose the independent state of the Kurds.
    And as part of the federation can ride.
    1. dogens
      dogens 17 March 2016 18: 24
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      Quote: Gunter
      According to a spokesman for the president of the Russian Federation,
      “Syrian citizens need inclusively tackle
      Problems"

      It is interesting what this means in translation from Volapyuk Peskov.
      The federalization of Syria in this situation does not at all deny a single state - this is a healthy option, and we must take into account the Turks who oppose the independent state of the Kurds.
      And as part of the federation can ride.

      And to take into account that the Turkish Kurds also want so? This is the main problem of such movements. Some twitched, the second wanted, and the third watched.
      Turkey generally does not like the raised head of the Kurds. Turks identify the Kurds with ISIS. They put equality between them. If you look through the eyes of the Turks, ISIS is still good, and the Kurds are sworn enemies and terrorists. The Turks are either dead Kurds or quiet. Neither Kurdistan nor federalization will suit them.
  11. atamankko
    atamankko 17 March 2016 16: 00
    +1
    Let the Syrians decide, all conditions are created.
  12. resh
    resh 17 March 2016 16: 01
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    In my opinion, Assad should support federalization. This will serve as an understanding between the nationalities inhabiting a single Syria. Still it would be an inter-confessional problem to solve.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 17 March 2016 16: 31
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      Quote: resh
      In my opinion, Assad should support federalization.

      Assad may support the autonomy of the Kurds in the north of Syria, but for bidding at first it may be against this, in order to negotiate more acceptable conditions for Damascus.
  13. drilled
    drilled 17 March 2016 16: 06
    +2
    Quote: resh
    Russia, Germany, the United States and others in their experience do not give reason to say that the federation is an unambiguous collapse.

    In the Russian Federation, Germany and the USA there is no war. Does anyone have doubts that after this they will not declare themselves an independent state? Let the Kurds announce the same in Turkey. Or at least Iraq.
    It will be interesting to see the reaction of the United States. If they recognize this opportunity in Syria, what will they say about Ruin and Donbass?
  14. infantry76
    infantry76 17 March 2016 16: 11
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    Lord comrades!
    After all, they offer federalization not in terms of separation from Syria, but as part of a single state. So you have to understand. Otherwise, why federalization! Then you need to create a separate state. First of all, you need to talk to all of them. If the Syrian authorities are afraid that after the federalization of the Syrian Kurds their possible unification with the Iraqi and Turkish Kurds will follow, then all these issues should be discussed in advance now, when preparations are underway for the creation and adoption of a new Constitution of the SAR.
    I have the honor! soldier
  15. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 17 March 2016 16: 19
    +2
    Quote: atamankko
    Let the Syrians decide, all conditions are created.

    Your words, but Abama’s ears ...
  16. 0255
    0255 17 March 2016 16: 34
    +2
    It seems to me that the Kurdish territories are torn away from Syria as Kosovo from Serbia. It is not just that the United States supports the Kurds and builds its airbases with them. It was only the USSR that helped the Arabs for free. The Russian Foreign Ministry will be able to respond only with a decisive note of protest, sad as it may be sad
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  18. black
    black 17 March 2016 16: 41
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    The Kurds put Bashar in an uncomfortable position. East is a delicate matter. Now, if they consulted, agreed a few more years. And so Assad loses face in front of the people. Savages, damn it. Forever they need a big white sahib.
  19. kit-kat
    kit-kat 17 March 2016 16: 49
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    Federalization is a special case of independence, as I understand it. And this indicates the weakness of the central government. If we talk about Syria, then the dismemberment of this state has begun.
  20. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 17 March 2016 16: 49
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    It doesn’t matter what they call it, a federation is not a federation, what they created is a fact and nobody will change anything. The Syrian government will express dissatisfaction, but what else should it express? Then agree. But Turkey has a huge chunk, this probability can go away and no one can do anything ... The world map is changing.
  21. Papapg
    Papapg 17 March 2016 17: 02
    +2
    I wrote about this, Syria missed the initiative with the Kurds, and the United States took advantage of this, it was necessary autonomy within Syria, without the right to exit.
  22. Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 17 March 2016 17: 07
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    As if Assad and Erdogan did not sing for the solution of the Kurdish issue. And there Iraq will join.
  23. Strashila
    Strashila 17 March 2016 17: 09
    +1
    Not at the time ... it is required at the beginning to solve the general problem with ISIS and others.
    Then calmly decide everything about the device of the country.
    1. dogens
      dogens 17 March 2016 18: 30
      +1
      As soon as all political issues disappear, as soon as these games are over, the goals are achieved, you will see how information about ISIS will sharply decline, and then you just forget about them. I think most will not even notice that the ISIL rag toy has disappeared from the information space. Of course, they will try to remind themselves, but they will not be so bloated, they will not have support and they will look sorry. The same thing will happen with the Ukrainian Armed Forces if Europe refuses them. Where is she al Qaeda? What was the boom? Do we hear much about them now? Did someone say they were destroyed? they simply became unnecessary, support disappeared, and Al Qaeda faded into the background.
      And here it is interesting how the primary goal of the fight against terror in the Middle East is overshadowed by information about the launch of a new artificial satellite by North Korea.
  24. EvgNik
    EvgNik 17 March 2016 17: 21
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    And yet, first you need to deal with ISIS, and then you can talk about the structure of states. For contention, you can forget that so far everyone has one goal. And do not share the skin of an unkilled leopard.
  25. Kaiten
    Kaiten 17 March 2016 17: 23
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    Quote: Strashila
    Not at the time ... it is required at the beginning to solve the general problem with ISIS and others.
    Then calmly decide everything about the device of the country.

    On the contrary, then the Kurds will not have such an opportunity. Assad will never agree to the autonomy of the Kurds, that is, formally it can exist, but leaders will still be sent from Damascus.
    1. Tu-214R
      Tu-214R 17 March 2016 17: 31
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      It seems to me that some kind of autonomy Damascus would suit. But the Kurds want independence, whatever you want to call it, at least federalization. In the Russian Federation, the president appoints, removes the heads of regions, and in the Syrian Federation, the head of the region has been removed - that's all, just guess what will happen next when an armed militia is at hand.
  26. Francois de Vivre
    Francois de Vivre 17 March 2016 17: 40
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    subjects are good. Ukrainian subjects, Syrian. unitarity is good. federalization is bad. federalization is not allowed.
  27. fix
    fix 17 March 2016 17: 49
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    // Dmitry Peskov noted that important for Russia so that Syria remains a single state on the basis of agreements between all Syrian communities.
    And why? But because the base (PMTO) is ours in Tartus. Do we need it? Anyway, it doesn’t hurt. Why and supported Assad. Why then should we put pressure on him?
    But if there is a reformatting of Syria, then after that the new authorities may ask us from there (remember, the question of extending the lease of Sevastopol was still an acute issue).
    So we need to choose whom to support.
  28. triglav
    triglav 17 March 2016 17: 51
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    And there will be a Syrian Arab Federal Republic.
  29. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 17 March 2016 18: 40
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    now there will be Syrian Kurdistan, then Iraqi. they will be, because in the absence of a strong rigid central authority, the outskirts are not afraid. It is interesting that these central authorities staggered with the active participation of s. and now they help the self-determined. Now the Americans will calm down the gimmick in Syria. then they will put pressure on the Turks. and the company will start organizing Iranian Kurdistan. Another target is Iran. and the template is the same. collapse from the inside, followed by an invasion.
  30. Gunther
    Gunther 17 March 2016 18: 42
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    Quote: dogens
    ... Turks are either dead Kurds, or
    quiet ones. Neither Kurdistan nor their federalization
    will arrange.

    The Turks are in line for "federalization", the states have indicated their position on the Kurds and they do not need a strong (independent) Turkey.
    And in this disintegration of the Arab states there is its own gesheftmakher (per. Bad person)
  31. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 17 March 2016 18: 45
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    Another "dregs" !!! It is clear that the Kurds want to have something of their own BUT it is Syria and Assad's reaction is adequate.
  32. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 17 March 2016 18: 54
    +2
    Syrian Kurds announced the creation of a federal region in the north of the country.
    .
    The decision of the Kurds was sharply criticized by official Damascus.

    The extreme dissatisfaction of Damascus can be understood! There was a message about the presence of pin..osovsky special forces in the territory controlled by the Syrian Kurds and the creation of 2 airfields there! In such circumstances, this statement by the Syrian Kurds, which is quite obvious and was inspired by the pin .. Osamians themselves, the Syrian government sees not so much as a call for the federalization of Syria, but as a prelude to its fragmentation, a section that would have been FAST arranged by FASHINGTON, which is clearly NOT going to leave Syrian Kurdistan!
  33. vippersona
    vippersona 17 March 2016 19: 41
    -1
    That was understandable. That is why Putin opened the Kurdish consulate in Moscow. Kurds will have to be reckoned with. The most unpleasant thing is that oppositionists are likely to also receive federalization. But it's better than civil war
  34. Ride78
    Ride78 17 March 2016 20: 13
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    Quote: PKK
    Here Assad is right, just give a loophole and the Yankers will drag an elephant. Volodya cannot be as tough as Assad, he has a dialogue with everyone. So that everyone plays a role. Until we lose.


    And Volodya has already passed Assad. Already lost there.
  35. Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 17 March 2016 20: 40
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    As long as the Kurds are needed, even though they scratch your head, we’ll see. Although federalization is also not bad, the main camp did not break up.
  36. avebersek
    avebersek 17 March 2016 21: 38
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    I do not understand the hysterics about the federation of Syria. Does it bother you that we live in the Russian Federation? Nobody talks about leaving the state of Syria. Well, there will be Kurds like the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug or the Jewish Autonomous Okrug, and even if the Volga Federal Okrug in which I live, they are all part of the Russian Federation. And there will be a Kurdish autonomy within Syria. Legal issue. Nobody talks about a separate Kurdish state. And somebody try to say that these autonomies can decide something separately! The country is strong "by the whole world." Tear apart the country, destroy it in parts. We passed it at 91. East now.
  37. faterdom
    faterdom 17 March 2016 22: 07
    +1
    For Kurds, federalization is the first and perhaps the most affordable target so far only in Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. Available in that order as far as possible.
    But only the first step, on the way to their own state - Kurdistan. And do not be mistaken in this. And we need to have our own position on this issue, I think, not across the historical process, but by promoting it, which can give Russia dividends in 20-40 years. And there is no need to talk about the "inviolability of borders" - these states, except Iran and themselves, have no one for hundreds of years.
  38. iouris
    iouris 17 March 2016 22: 24
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    The Russian version of the federation is unique, while the number of the Russian element is overwhelming.
    Federalization of Ukraine - oligarchic federalization.
    The USA after its civil war is a unitary state.
    The federalization of Syria is the beginning of the reformatting of the entire region. The question is that the federalization of Syria should be connected only with the Kurdish issue. Arabs are better off building a secular state rather than dividing spheres of influence according to religious principles. The prospect of the Kurds leaving Syria is unpleasant for Assad personally, but by October 2015, the most likely option for rescuing Syria was to land the aliens. But Putin intervened.
    As soon as the Su-24 was shot down, it became clear that the process went in that direction, and Erdogan was not a political tenant. The withdrawal of part of the forces is a signal for Assad. If he does not understand, then he will have to fight with the Kurds together with Erdogan.
    Thus, the alternative is the entry of Syria into Turkey with the subsequent federalization of Turkey.
  39. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 18 March 2016 00: 17
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    Whether someone likes or dislikes this, but, as one notorious leader said, the process has begun and it cannot be stopped. It could have been stopped, provided that the government army was completely dominated and it decisively defeated all opposing forces, but this is not, which means that it will be necessary to compromise and negotiate, including federalization.
  40. Nehist
    Nehist 18 March 2016 00: 36
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    Nda ... Everything is getting worse and worse! Kurds have always dreamed of a great Kurdistan, for which their Sadam beat Assad beat and Endrogan beat. Now the situation will be even worse.