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A number of EU countries have expressed disagreement with the project "Nord Stream-2»

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The governments of 10 of EU countries, including Romania, sent a letter to the European Commission stating that the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project contradicts the interests of the European community, reports RIA News a message from the adviser to the Romanian prime minister, Dana Suchu.




“Yes, such a letter exists. I do not know all the details of this document. I know that this theme (the project "Nord Stream-2") does not correspond to the European strategy for energy development. The letter was addressed to the European Commission in Brussels by the governments of 10 countries, ”said the adviser.

According to him, “energy issues are not likely to be included on the agenda of the next meeting of the European Commission, since it will be devoted to migration.”

“And when this issue appears on the EC agenda, then the rest of the European countries will express their opinion on this letter. Following the relevant discussions, the European Commission’s point of view on this topic will be expressed, ”added Suchu.

Recall, "Nord Stream-2" involves the laying of 2-x gas pipeline along the bottom of the Baltic Sea from the Russian Federation to Germany. The total capacity of the pipeline will be 55 billion cubic meters per year.
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  1. Mengsk
    Mengsk 17 March 2016 08: 27
    .
    Import substitution, industrial development, the flowering of science ... no, baby, this is Russia. The construction of new gas pipelines, the grand 2018 World Cup in football, the overdose of money on the Kerch bridge, the new $ 5 billion to the US government debt. Hooray, so win.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 17 March 2016 08: 29
      +13
      Quote: Mengsk
      new 5 billion dollars in US public debt.

      And here is not 5 but only 4,8 lol
      1. Yuri from Volgograd
        Yuri from Volgograd 17 March 2016 08: 31
        +31
        Europe is tse Germany, and it is a share of SP2.
        So according to the principles of democracy, surely this scribble will not affect SP2.
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 March 2016 08: 39
          +24
          The Germans will shut their mouths to anyone according to SP2, without options.
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 17 March 2016 09: 09
            +15
            Quote: cniza
            The Germans will shut their mouths to anyone according to SP2, without options.

            Anyone but the United States ... wink
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 17 March 2016 10: 34
              +30
              Quote: Observer 33
              Anyone but the United States ...

              ... the fact that star-striped ears stick out here is not surprising ... I am more interested in the list of countries of opponents:
              - Poland
              - Latvia
              - Lithuania
              - Estonia
              - Czech
              - Slovakia
              - Romania
              - Bulgaria
              - Hungary
              ... I understand if these were states, otherwise the "toilet paper of Europe" imagined to express her opinion ... laughing
              1. Telakh
                Telakh 17 March 2016 10: 52
                0
                100 millions of 500. not so little.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 17 March 2016 11: 50
                  +6
                  The construction of Nord Stream-2 does not correspond to the interests of the European Union, this is stated in a letter from the governments of 10 European countries sent to the European Commission.
                  At the same time, the STRUCTURE of these countries that signed the Appeal to the EC against Nord Stream-3 is of great geopolitical and strategic importance for starting the USA of World War III in Europe against Russia.
                  The appeal to the EU was signed by the governments of Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Slovakia.
                  In their Appeal it is written:
                  1) “The expansion of the Nord Stream to supply additional volumes of gas directly to Germany may have serious consequences for Kiev and the EU countries”;
                  2) “The preservation of the transportation route through the territory of Ukraine meets the strategic interests of the EU as a whole, and not only from the energy point of view of security, but also serves to strengthen stability in the Eastern European region” (question - What stability is there: state of bankruptcy, chaos and collapse of Ukraine?)
                  At the same time, Polish President Andrzej Duda (with his crazy idea of ​​REVIVAL of the Commonwealth) also promised to do everything to stop the construction of a new Nord Stream. - November 29, 2015 12:25 http://cont.ws/post/155438
                  -------------------
                  Now pay attention to this list of countries geographically in terms of the observance of the national interests of the United States, about which the director of the "shadow CIA" George Friedman - ie. Director of Stratfor USA - on the creation of the Intermarium zone by the US special services between the countries of Western Europe (primarily Germany) and Russia
                  Absolutely all of these European countries are united in the so-called “Intermarium” is a dividing zone from the Baltic to the Black Seas. At the same time, Ukraine only serves as a "battering ram" for the military "hacking" of Russia.
                  Thus, the appeal of these 10 countries against Nord Stream-2 suggests that these 10 countries are completely completely under the EXTERNAL control of the USA and the Americans cynically use them as their own “sacrifice” in the future hot US war against Russia . Those. in defending its AMERICAN national interests to maintain its hegemony throughout the world. It is noteworthy that the President of Poland Andrzej Duda “slaps” in the first ranks of this pro-American defense and acts as a fascist traitor to the Polish people and pro-American incendiary torchbearer of World War III in Europe.
                  The most interesting thing is that the American foreign policy NAGISH is presented in the report of George Friedman - namely, it is to pit countries and peoples among themselves and to govern them on the principle of “Divide and rule!” (see video. On the “Intermarium”, see from 9:48 min.)

                  See the map of the Intermarium cordon itself in the next video (see time from 10:32 min.)
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 17 March 2016 12: 01
                    +3
                    Do the American "Revelations" of D. Friedman in Germany understand? Yes, they understand.
                    See video - especially from 5:25 and 7:23 min.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 17 March 2016 12: 08
                      +6
                      And here is the reaction of Sarah Wagenknecht to the "Revelations" of George Friedman and the corrupt, pro-American policy of Angela Merkel.
              2. Jerusalem artichoke
                Jerusalem artichoke 17 March 2016 10: 58
                +1
                Quote: Inok10
                - Czech

                How did she end up on this list of "friends" of Russia? Milos Zeman didn't keep track of? belay
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 17 March 2016 11: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: Telakh
                  100 millions of 500. not so little.

                  ... do not confuse the population of these countries and the policies of the governments of these countries ... these are two big differences, for example, the Czech Republic below ... hi
                  Quote: Jerusalem artichoke
                  Quote: Inok10
                  - Czech

                  How did she end up on this list of "friends" of Russia? Milos Zeman didn't keep track of? belay

                  ... in the Czech Republic this piece of paper was taken up by the Prime Minister, who refused last year to finance the trip of Czech President Zeman to Moscow to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the Victory, so that is not surprising ... hi
                  1. Jerusalem artichoke
                    Jerusalem artichoke 17 March 2016 11: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Inok10
                    in the Czech Republic this piece of paper was taken up by the Prime Minister, who refused last year to finance the trip of Czech President Zeman to Moscow to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the Victory, so that is not surprising ...

                    Into the neck of this prime minister paid for by the Americans! Zeman forward! angry
                2. svd-xnumx
                  svd-xnumx 17 March 2016 14: 58
                  +2
                  How did she end up on this list of "friends" of Russia? Milos Zeman didn't keep track of?
                  Yes, there the president is almost like a "wedding general"
              3. weksha50
                weksha50 17 March 2016 11: 06
                +3
                Quote: Inok10
                - Bulgaria



                Bulgaria was not on the list yesterday ... And it was about 7 (!!!) countries ...

                PS Bulgaria, by the way, as long as he has passed, is already sorry that the pipeline will not go through it ...

                In general, Bulgaria is not in the list of signatories, but it stuck in the form of Ukraine ... She climbed into this anti-project with legs and ears, not being a member of the EU ...

                PS Rather, 2019 would have come, the year of the end of the bedlam contract for gas supplies to Ukraine ...
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 17 March 2016 11: 20
                  +5
                  Quote: weksha50
                  In general, Bulgaria is not in the list of signatories, but it stuck in the form of Ukraine ... She climbed into this anti-project with legs and ears, not being a member of the EU ...
                  PS Rather, 2019 would have come, the year of the end of the bedlam contract for gas supplies to Ukraine ...

                  ... there are 8 of them who signed the letter officially, I gave a list of countries that are opposed to the construction of Nord Stream 2, and you have correctly noted that "undetected" Ukraine is also on the list of opponents ... and, meanwhile:
                  Meanwhile, the company, the operator of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline construction project, Nord Stream 2 AG has completed an international tender for the supply of high-quality steel pipes for the construction of two pipelines. The start of construction is planned for 2018.
                  In February, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller said that Nord Stream 2 would be completed on schedule — before the end of 2019. Source: http://cont.ws/post/225797
                  ... mongrel bark, and the caravan goes ... hi
              4. svd-xnumx
                svd-xnumx 17 March 2016 14: 54
                +2
                The third winter in a row turned out to be warm and Kakly did not steal European gas, if the opposite happened, these countries
                - Czech
                - Slovakia
                - Romania
                - Bulgaria
                - Hungary
                as if they didn’t put signatures.
              5. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 17 March 2016 17: 13
                +9
                If you allow me - your list is just countries, a completely random coincidence, whose "elite" represents the interests of their overseas brother in Europe and NATO, they are already tired of the "old Europe" with their passages. But their brains have been cleaned out and they continue to push their taxpayers about democracy and other values. The funny thing is that they believe that the striped ones will not be thrown when the brains are formatted during internships they did not tell about the allies' throws, but we do not write stories, but Oliver Stone even made a film about that.
                Naive people - the dog barks, the caravan goes
            2. unsinkable
              unsinkable 17 March 2016 15: 11
              +2
              Quote: Observer 33
              Anyone but the United States ...

              And the USA does not have a mouth, but a hail.
          2. Mechanic
            Mechanic 17 March 2016 09: 30
            +4
            I agree: they will build a SP-2 - and it will be possible to blackmail Europe (I will sell, I will not sell) and Russia (I will buy, I will not buy, and if I buy, then at the German price).
          3. Jerusalem artichoke
            Jerusalem artichoke 17 March 2016 09: 46
            +5
            Quote: cniza
            The Germans will shut their mouths to anyone according to SP2, without options.

            Naturally! They will also be banking this gas throughout Europe at the prices they have already set. And they wanted to spit on some toilet paper from 10 paid by amers "bees against honey"!
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        3. Gunsmith
          Gunsmith 17 March 2016 08: 45
          +4
          The project is commercial. This was immediately emphasized. Or do uurope not encourage private initiative and property? From this point of view, attacks by individual states on individual private firms and entrepreneurs implementing SP2 are beyond the scope. Capitalism, however.
        4. PKK
          PKK 17 March 2016 09: 06
          +4
          This little thing under the dictation of the Americans was written by their sixes. And these "satellites" hope that they will be listened to with disgust? Hardly.
      2. annodomene
        annodomene 17 March 2016 09: 25
        +3
        Where did he come from?
      3. oxana_iv
        oxana_iv 17 March 2016 11: 15
        +2
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: Mengsk
        new 5 billion dollars in US public debt.

        And here is not 5 but only 4,8 lol


        But some Russian media claim that this is a way to put the United States on a debt hook))) wassat
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 17 March 2016 14: 52
          +2
          Quote: oxana_iv
          And here are some Russian media

          According to them, we generally already live in a bright capitalist tomorrow laughing
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 17 March 2016 08: 30
      +17
      Quote: Mengsk
      Hooray, so win.
      Che wanted to say something? Or in fact there is nothing but prosralipolymers? bully
      Where are ten countries from? Yesterday it was about eight
      A letter of objection to the construction of the second branch of the Nord Stream gas pipeline was signed by the heads of government of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Poland, Slovakia and Romania, as well as the President of Lithuania https://news.mail.ru/politics/25152193/
      The presence in the list of Hungary and the Czech Republic is somewhat surprising. But, in fact, nothing new. Some of these countries are clinical Russophobia, while others have a profit from gas transit. And what? For us, the position of Germany and France is important.
      1. Mengsk
        Mengsk 17 March 2016 08: 31
        .
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Che wanted to say something?


        Think about it. Friend of the people, heh.
      2. Mengsk
        Mengsk 17 March 2016 08: 40
        .
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Che wanted to say something? Or in fact there is nothing to express?


        In fact, it was from the very beginning.

        Quote: B.T.W.
        I read both yours, comments, the impression was that it was Boris Borisych Nadezhdin, in person.


        And completely in vain.

        Quote: Samaritan
        So you’re worried about Russia, poor fellow!


        Russia is my home. Can you say the same thing to yourself?
        1. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 17 March 2016 08: 51
          +13
          Quote: Mengsk
          Russia is my home ...

          Judging by the GB flag next to your nickname, you are disingenuous.
          Who is your salary?
      3. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 17 March 2016 08: 51
        +2
        It is strange why Ukraine is not on this list - the main stakeholder. Apparently they do not want to go against Germany.
        1. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 17 March 2016 08: 54
          -1
          Quote: Al_oriso
          It is strange why Ukraine is not on this list - the main stakeholder.

          The governments of 10 EU countries

          Am I missing something in this life?
          And when did they manage to admit them to the EU?
          My dear, there is no need to add oil to the fire and breed flood.
        2. cniza
          cniza 17 March 2016 08: 55
          +7
          Quote: Al_oriso
          It is strange why Ukraine is not on this list - the main stakeholder. Apparently they do not want to go against Germany.


          Ukraine is the main caliber weapon; it will be released last on stage, but it will not help, it will only accelerate SP2.
          They have already written their letter.
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        4. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 17 March 2016 10: 45
          +6
          Quote: Al_oriso
          It is strange why Ukraine is not on this list - the main stakeholder. Apparently they do not want to go against Germany.


          And Ukraine is already a member of the EU ?! Signed only by the heads of countries, EU members! I think that Ukraine wasn’t even allowed to stand in the hallway!
        5. weksha50
          weksha50 17 March 2016 11: 12
          +3
          Quote: Al_oriso
          It is strange why Ukraine is not in this list - the main stakeholder.



          Look at yesterday’s news ... Nenka lit up in this showdown and joined these signatories ...

          But what else? It’s just what it primarily concerns ...
      4. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 17 March 2016 09: 03
        +1
        They profiled the "southern stream", now all that remains is to write letters of disagreement on SP2 to the European Commission. Europe with such a policy, as if it will soon be stoked with firewood!
      5. Xmyp
        Xmyp 17 March 2016 09: 08
        +4
        Of course it’s important. Only how many people will be fired from work when the gas flow falls along the Yamburg-Izhgorod branch.
        And with this, the northern cities will die out. Good decision.
      6. Xmyp
        Xmyp 17 March 2016 09: 08
        +2
        Of course it’s important. Only how many people will be fired from work when the gas flow falls along the Yamburg-Izhgorod branch.
        And with this, the northern cities will die out. Good decision.
      7. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 17 March 2016 09: 36
        +4
        Greetings to Andrei. Bulgaria isn’t enough on this list. We won’t consider the pro-ballasts (with their LNG and tanker). The Poles also want to try American gas, but the price tag is not good (Gazprom rules laughing) The Balkan countries when stopping transit through Ukraine, in the red. And the Bulgarians sit and cry along the South Stream, how did they throw them wassat.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 17 March 2016 11: 15
          +1
          Quote: zadorin1974
          .A Bulgarians sit and cry along the South Stream-how they were thrown


          Well, yes ... All claims against UP started with EU requirements ...

          And now the joint venture, instead of UP, goes to the same Europe ....

          Noble kid ...
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 17 March 2016 12: 19
            0
            George, it’s not so simple on Bulgaria’s account. Gazprom still pays for the pipelines that Gazprom brought to Bulgaria for the construction of the gas pipeline. It’s not going to export these pipes yet. So, we’ll see. And the gas pipeline Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod is undergoing major repairs.
      8. weksha50
        weksha50 17 March 2016 11: 10
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        The presence in the list of Hungary and the Czech Republic is somewhat surprising.


        Duc ... There is a purely commercial, and even political interest ...

        Even the point is not some kind of anti-Russian ...

        It is extremely unprofitable for them to start receiving gas from Germany ... And to become even more dependent on it (Germany) ...
    3. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 17 March 2016 08: 31
      +10
      Quote: Mengsk
      Import substitution, industrial development, the flowering of science ... no, baby, this is Russia. The construction of new gas pipelines, the grand 2018 World Cup in football, the overdose of money on the Kerch bridge, the new $ 5 billion to the US government debt. Hooray, so win.


      Why do you need to write so much bile in a comment, is it necessary to raise scandal and enmity? The meaning of this aggression, all that you wrote this applies to any state, you can write both good and bad. . . that in Europe the usual ordinary garbage can is covered with a beautiful wrapper, America is in debt and the wrapper is prettier and the same oppression of freedom of speech and lack of democracy. . . the fact that Russia does not smile and does not make a show for everyone and does not do everything stealthily, as they used to do European Forgiveness. . .Politics so everyone has their own concept of life. . . but why should you be aggressive somewhere?
      1. Mengsk
        Mengsk 17 March 2016 08: 33
        -5
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Why do you need to write so much bile in a comment, is it necessary to raise scandal and enmity?


        Peacefully and with full respect that Putin is a fine fellow and does everything right, they will tell you on the First and NTV, for example. In the meantime, they did not introduce strict censorship of messages and disagreement with the party’s general line is not too actively suppressed, alas, you sometimes have to read such a thing.
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 17 March 2016 08: 36
          +4
          Quote: Mengsk
          Peacefully and with full respect that Putin is a fine fellow and does everything right, they will tell you on the First and NTV, for example. In the meantime, they did not introduce strict censorship of messages and disagreement with the party’s general line is not too actively suppressed, alas, you sometimes have to read such a thing.


          I read both yours, comments, the impression was that it was Boris Borisych Nadezhdin, in person.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 17 March 2016 08: 42
            +15
            Quote: B.T.W.
            this is Boris Borisych Nadezhdin, in person.

            Rather Gozman Leonid Yakovlevich. Arcturus Mengsk, relocate! They burned you, Lenya. laughing
            1. meriem1
              meriem1 17 March 2016 09: 08
              +6
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Quote: B.T.W.
              this is Boris Borisych Nadezhdin, in person.

              Rather Gozman Leonid Yakovlevich. Arcturus Mengsk, relocate! They burned you, Lenya. laughing

              What a spiritualized face ...
              1. TVM - 75
                TVM - 75 17 March 2016 10: 12
                +2
                This is from the audience who will relieve themselves under someone else's door and run away. And he believes that he expressed his opinion.
              2. Bearded
                Bearded 17 March 2016 12: 21
                +1
                The stamp of the mind on the brow ....
        2. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 17 March 2016 08: 41
          +3
          Quote: Mengsk
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Why do you need to write so much bile in a comment, is it necessary to raise scandal and enmity?


          Peacefully and with full respect that Putin is a fine fellow and does everything right, they will tell you on the First and NTV, for example. In the meantime, they did not introduce strict censorship of messages and disagreement with the party’s general line is not too actively suppressed, alas, you sometimes have to read such a thing.


          And here Putin and why should I talk about him?
          If you don’t like that Roads, Corruption, Prices, Gasoline go get, fight, show an example, make a better country - that Pease ... To say it only in the corners about it or is it all Putin should see correct, fire, drip, work. . . and the rest why then? Do not like someone Take away demand. And no. It is necessary here. BY THE COMMENTS OF ALL TO TEACH LIFE. Show others stupid where the truth is and who is bloody and who is not. So this is probably the case?
          1. Bearded
            Bearded 17 March 2016 12: 26
            0
            Demand! Seek! Places ..... a row with Yu. Mukhin ..
        3. sir_obs
          sir_obs 17 March 2016 09: 33
          0
          Well, if the country continues to go in the right direction, you don’t have to read this, there will be nobody to write it. Someone will understand for himself, someone will be pushed, someone will finally knock down the place. But it’s time for the stubbornly stubborn to walk on the bridge.
        4. hrapon
          hrapon 17 March 2016 09: 46
          -1
          Quote: Mengsk
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Why do you need to write so much bile in a comment, is it necessary to raise scandal and enmity?


          Peacefully and with full respect that Putin is a fine fellow and does everything right, they will tell you on the First and NTV, for example. In the meantime, they did not introduce strict censorship of messages and disagreement with the party’s general line is not too actively suppressed, alas, you sometimes have to read such a thing.


          Judging by the speed of "self-burying," - not long ...
        5. Rossiyanin
          Rossiyanin 17 March 2016 09: 56
          +4
          Yes, even without the first one, NTV and you, among other things, know that Putin is great, there is someone to compare with and with whom, and unlike some, our brains are on.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 17 March 2016 08: 34
        +5
        a message from the adviser to the Romanian prime minister, Dana Suchu.

        Speaking surname! But the construction of Nord Stream 2, meaning nothing to oppose.
        1. Rossiyanin
          Rossiyanin 17 March 2016 10: 00
          +2
          Not only, but also the name. smile
      3. Galich Kos
        Galich Kos 17 March 2016 08: 41
        +13
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Why so much bile to write in the comments


        Comrade still wrote very softly. Indeed, since we have announced a policy of import substitution, well, invest in the relevant economic sectors. Build enterprises, upgrade existing ones, develop science. So no damn it. Our babosiks flow in American bonds for a little trickle, as if there is nowhere to put them in Russia.
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 17 March 2016 08: 49
          +1
          Quote: Galich Kos
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Why so much bile to write in the comments


          The comrade has written very softly. Indeed, since we have announced a policy of import substitution, so invest in the relevant economic sectors. Build enterprises, modernize already built ones, develop science. So no pancake ... Our babosiks flow like a stream into American bonds for storage, as if there is nowhere to invest them in Russia.


          These are such effective managers in the country, they’ll bother to get down to business, because then you can’t get it or you can’t do a rollback, and everything slows down, so you need to remove these effective managers, put in new ones, here Zyuganov constantly talks about Agriculture, is engaged. . . you need to change yourself and not wait when an order is sent from the top. . . The president will do this when they are already completely mad. So you need to do it yourself and not write about this everywhere. And if there is no way to change, then you do not need to tell tales.
          1. Wild_grey_wolf
            Wild_grey_wolf 17 March 2016 10: 45
            +1
            Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
            Quote: Galich Kos
            Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
            Why so much bile to write in the comments


            The comrade has written very softly. Indeed, since we have announced a policy of import substitution, so invest in the relevant economic sectors. Build enterprises, modernize already built ones, develop science. So no pancake ... Our babosiks flow like a stream into American bonds for storage, as if there is nowhere to invest them in Russia.


            These are such effective managers in the country, they’ll bother to get down to business, because then you can’t get it or you can’t do a rollback, and everything slows down, so you need to remove these effective managers, put in new ones, here Zyuganov constantly talks about Agriculture, is engaged. . . you need to change yourself and not wait when an order is sent from the top. . . The president will do this when they are already completely mad. So you need to do it yourself and not write about this everywhere. And if there is no way to change, then you do not need to tell tales.


            So I have 6 minuses, the meaning of the text was that you don’t have to put everything on the PRESIDENT, but you need to think with your own head - apparently I’m not RIGHT since there are so many minuses - EVERYTHING IS WAITING WHEN ALL THE PRESIDENT arrives and DOES.
            OK . . . what is the logic of those who read it now are CLEAR.
            1. Galich Kos
              Galich Kos 17 March 2016 12: 54
              +3
              Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
              So I have 6 minuses, the meaning of the text was that you don’t need to charge everything on the PRESIDENT, but you need to think with your own head



              And what do you think people think, ..something? But ordinary citizens think primarily about the welfare of themselves and their loved ones, and the welfare of the state as a whole is formed from the welfare of citizens. In a poor state - poor citizens and all! it doesn’t and cannot be otherwise!
              And the president was chosen by the people to govern the country so that the welfare of citizens would grow, not fall. And you say “you don’t need to BURN ON THE PRESIDENT” ... Sorry, but he took this responsibility upon himself, having decided to go to the polls. Gruzdev called himself get in the body!
              1. region58
                region58 17 March 2016 15: 33
                +1
                Quote: Galich Kos
                And the president was chosen by the people to rule the country so that the well-being of citizens would grow, not fall.

                Thinking only for this? There are many ways to raise wealth without independence. And vice versa. I do not think that the concepts of "better life" and "growing well-being" are one and the same. And how much "welfare" is needed for a person to say "I live well" - this is very individual.
              2. Wild_grey_wolf
                Wild_grey_wolf 17 March 2016 19: 24
                +1
                Quote: Galich Kos
                Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                So I have 6 minuses, the meaning of the text was that you don’t need to charge everything on the PRESIDENT, but you need to think with your own head



                And what do you think people think, ..something? But ordinary citizens think primarily about the welfare of themselves and their loved ones, and the welfare of the state as a whole is formed from the welfare of citizens. In a poor state - poor citizens and all! it doesn’t and cannot be otherwise!
                And the president was chosen by the people to govern the country so that the welfare of citizens would grow, not fall. And you say “you don’t need to BURN ON THE PRESIDENT” ... Sorry, but he took this responsibility upon himself, having decided to go to the polls. Gruzdev called himself get in the body!


                And what now, with any problem, poking him with problems or is it better to understand the places? And to demand from those who lead the region, as they were chosen by the PEOPLE, because not only the president is elected, and the parties are elected locally. . . oh yes it’s easier to find one and stigmatize it, take it away and that everything will change for the better right away and mana come down from heaven? I think that everyone should put things in order in their yard, at home, in the family. . . and then everything will work out, and not look for the GUILTY WHO SHOULD BE THROWED BY TOMATOES - GALICH KOS.
                1. Galich Kos
                  Galich Kos 17 March 2016 19: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                  I think that everyone should put things in order in their yard, at home, in the family. . . and then everything will work out



                  How old it is, however ... Well, all right, let's take an example from life. A primary school teacher in a secondary or elementary school is not somewhere in Moscow, but in the province itself. And at home and at home, she has order, good children, her beloved husband, in general, family happiness is heaps, and the salary, for example, 12-15 tr. a month, and the husband is the same, because he works in the same school. Pay 7-8 tr for a communal flat for an apartment, because the house is not gasified, and the reaping time of the king of peas is heated by coal that is driven by household. from, for thousands of miles. From the same modest income, buy products, kids a toy, clothes and ... that's it! On simple human pleasures such as a vacation to the sea to drive already and there is nothing left. It seems people are working honestly, they teach children, and the state wanted them. What does the president have to do with it? And nothing .uya has nothing to do with it. And the government has nothing to do with it, but the fault is this woman and her husband?
            2. Galich Kos
              Galich Kos 17 March 2016 18: 45
              0
              Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
              So I have 6 minuses



              Don’t you care how many minuses or pluses do you have? Or are you oratory for likes here?
              1. Wild_grey_wolf
                Wild_grey_wolf 17 March 2016 19: 28
                +1
                Quote: Galich Kos
                Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                So I have 6 minuses



                Don’t you care how many minuses or pluses do you have? Or are you oratory for likes here?


                It annoys me that here, without hesitation, they poke at the buttons, plus and minus, and it does not reach that it is a responsibility, like the WORD said, well, you don’t like it when a stranger does not culturally Poke.
    4. Samaritan
      Samaritan 17 March 2016 08: 35
      +5
      So you’re worried about Russia, poor fellow!

      Look at the achievements of the past week, maybe he will:
    5. edeligor
      edeligor 17 March 2016 08: 45
      +7
      Quote: Mengsk
      no baby it's Russia

      I'm really afraid to suggest where you write such comments, judging by the flag and "over" in any way from the foggy Albion? Go for a smoke on the sidelines, "The Englishwoman crap" - the rest, as well as 200 years ago, remains unchanged. By the way, for the 2018 World Cup, your metropolis is still tearing the anus, not disdaining anything.
      1. Mengsk
        Mengsk 17 March 2016 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: edeligor
        I'm really afraid to suggest where you write such comments, judging by the flag and "over" in any way from foggy Albion?


        I respect your age and life experience, but, grandfather, take my word for it, the flags on this site tell about the person’s real location a little less than nothing. Unless you specifically write a letter to the moderator, that, in principle, I do not need anywhere.

        Quote: edeligor
        By the way, during the 2018 World Cup, your metropolis is still tearing the anus, not disdaining anything.


        My metropolis "won" this damned World Cup, and now, in the most difficult economic conditions, about 600 billion rubles will be thrown into the wind for this super-useless action, if I'm not confusing anything. Do you seriously think that this money can simply be thrown away, that there is no better use for it? And all for the sake of expensive show. "A good show is worth more than money" seems to be a fundamental principle for the Russian government.

        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        you need to change yourself and not wait when an order is sent from the top. .


        Well, change the mayor in your city. This is not even the governor, who is appointed by the president (Putin, if anything), this is the mayor - an elective (as yet) post. Can you? No, you can't. And no one can. Because "elective" it is purely nominal. And if you live by your principle and just hush up the problems, do not discuss them, do not raise them - you will get a gorgeous servant, a quiet, modest hard worker who works for a pittance in two or three jobs, where he gets in the winter through the snowdrifts from a two-story house, in the summer - on an inflatable mattress across the muddy seas. And most importantly, she does not complain, because everything is useless, you need to work harder and all that. And yet, yes, it is necessary to work, it is necessary to work harder, but only to work on everyone - from a locksmith at a factory to an overweight humanoid deputy. To work, and not just to cut "ownerless" money from the budget.

        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Rather Gozman Leonid Yakovlevich. Arcturus Mengsk, relocate! They burned you, Lenya.


        How long have you spent online in your kindergarten?

        Quote: oborzevatel
        Judging by the GB flag next to your nickname, you are disingenuous.


        Well, judging by your flag, you either write to us from the past or the flags, after all, are never the ultimate truth. About salary - it’s you who are insulting me in vain. If the United States paid me, I would now live as in a fairy tale. With the same salary in dollars, really my salary against the background of the ruble would grow day by day. And for this, too, you can only say thank you to our dear, super-competent government.
        1. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 17 March 2016 09: 47
          +5
          Quote: Mengsk
          take my word for it, the flags on this site say about a person’s real location a little less than nothing

          Quote: Mengsk
          My metropolis "won" this damn World Cup

          You somehow decide on the affiliation.
          Either - "not my metropolis", then - "my metropolis".
          Quote: Mengsk
          If the United States paid me, I would now live as in a fairy tale.

          Therefore, give up this thankless task - to write comments on VO under the flag of GB, since you are not so valued in the metropolis, and get over to other owners.
        2. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 17 March 2016 10: 28
          +2
          for Mengsk: Eh wrestler You are ours on the Internet. So I don’t write all the bastards right and left, and Putin is like that, YOU WRITE AND LEARN, TIME READY FOR ACTION BY YOUR COMMENTS, IGNORE THE DISEASE, YOURSELF THE MAYOR AND REMOVE IF IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE WITH YOU. Why shout about it at every corner, and most importantly, what a fellow, well, encouraging others. Can still go together and shout Hto Ne Skache. . . You were not mistaken a resource)))
        3. dauria
          dauria 17 March 2016 11: 45
          +2
          And no one can. Because "elective" it is purely nominal.


          You have sensible thoughts. And the presentation is clear. Yes, here's the trick - ALL countries are so arranged. And serfs, and rebels, and
          "fat humanoid deputies" ( smile - this is your masterpiece). On this site it is not customary to talk about "class" contradictions in principle, only individual "bad bastards" who can be replaced with good ones. smile
          1. Mengsk
            Mengsk 17 March 2016 15: 55
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            Yes, here's the trick - ALL countries are so arranged.


            Perhaps the general principle is really the same for everyone. But here's the trick - only in my Fatherland, the government not only feeds on the people, but also does everything so that the people have to survive through inhuman efforts. For example, have you heard about houses for fire victims in Khakassia? And this is just the most recent case. There were also "drowned" in the Far East, and there were other victims. How do you like the destruction (even in the Crimea!) Of trade pavilions under the pretext of "wrong" permissions? Moreover, the pavilions were broken, and those who issued permits (which are "wrong" and "illegal") were not brought to justice and will NEVER be brought to justice. Well, what other countries are SO arranged? But we have, in addition to responsibilities, also some kind of civil rights and freedoms ...

            Quote: kapitan92
            She perfectly understands that without energy, with a guaranteed supply, the business is kayuk.


            And what reason do they have to worry? Russia has never cut off the "pipe" to Europe. Not in 2008, not now. And it will never turn off, there is no doubt about it. But what can I say, even Turkey, which killed our guys, no one blocked anything and never will.

            Quote: Rossiyanin
            Do you want to say that Crimea will do without a bridge?


            It is unfortunate that I expressed my thought so inaccurately. I ask you to familiarize yourself with the corruption scandals around this bridge.

            Quote: 222222
            NEW PLANTS AND WORKSHOPS OF RUSSIA in 2014


            Please see the authorized capital of enterprises. I think everything will fall into place.


            Quote: 30BIS
            If you have, suddenly, at home in the kitchen, cognac starts to flow from the tap. And there will be a lineup of buyers for this fragrant drink at a good price .. Will you require import substitution for chlorinated water ??? I think let the hot and cold water flow in the bathroom. And in the kitchen you will leave cognac !!


            I did not understand your idea at all, unfortunately. But I would not mind free cognac in my plumbing. And who would refuse ?!

            Quote: Al1977
            "-45" Were you convinced that everything is completely different in Russia?))))) All is bad in the EU, it will soon fall apart along with the United States, and Russia is going the right way, since our enemies are scolding it))


            This is a very old mantra. Actually, there are no real prerequisites for this. Just as the Russian economy did not fall apart, although Lyulyukaev and Putin claimed that with oil below $ 80 per barrel (then below 40), the entire WORLD economy would collapse. They both turned out to be economists ... in general, economics is not their element.
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 17 March 2016 16: 21
              +4
              Quote: Mengsk
              And what reason do they have to worry about?

              In 2008, this question would be appropriate. In the "yard" 2016. First, with the implementation of the SP-2 project, Germany becomes a gas hub for Central and Western Europe with the possibility of reverse supplies to neighboring markets. Secondly, Ukraine, as a transit country, is losing its importance for Central Europe. This will only matter for the energy security of southeastern Europe and Turkey. The Germans know how to count money.
              Quote: Mengsk
              And it will never turn it off, there is no doubt about it. What can I say, even Turkey, which killed our guys, nobody blocked anything and will never block it.

              Never say never". (and).
              1. Mengsk
                Mengsk 17 March 2016 19: 07
                0
                Quote: kapitan92
                In 2008, this question would be appropriate. In the "yard" 2016.


                And for our Fatherland, in principle, nothing has changed. Is that the "Lada X-Ray" began to be produced, on the basis of B0 "Renault", with a checkpoint from "Renault" (or "Nissan"), with a stunted 1,6 engine and a monodrive (although in the future, it seems, the launch of a series with a stunted engine 1,8).

                Quote: kapitan92
                With the implementation of the SP-2 project, Germany becomes a gas hub for Central and Western Europe with the possibility of reverse supplies to neighboring markets.


                And yet they have no cause for concern. From the "high tribunes" there was NEVER even a hint of a threat to "block the pipe".

                Quote: kapitan92
                Secondly, Ukraine, as a transit country, is losing its importance for Central Europe. This will only matter for the energy security of southeastern Europe and Turkey. The Germans know how to count money.


                So what? Neither me, nor probably the Europeans are particularly interested in the fate of Ukraine. Are you implying that Ukraine is an "unreliable supplier"? But they never disrupted supplies. Maybe they pumped out a couple of cubic meters from each thousand to themselves, but, in general, at the very least, they always fulfilled their obligations. So there is no reason for Europeans to fear a "gas hunger" from Ukraine either.

                Quote: kapitan92
                Never say never". (and).


                Don't tryndy, huh? I'm ready to put my car on the line. Do not block. And you too understand that, clear day. But one wants to believe in a leader, huh?

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Handsome! Good


                Thank you.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And yet - more carefully with conclusions, and the last time on the site is the era of Uri-patriots, they will quickly drive you into the ban with minuses (see the site rules). And I would like to read more people with critical thinking, rather than the slogans of Baikonur.


                I will try to. Honestly.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 March 2016 17: 02
              0
              Quote: Mengsk
              Please see the authorized capital of enterprises. I think everything will fall into place.

              Pretty boy!good Nobody has so competently brought down the fans of the site "Made by Us" from heaven to earth!
              And yet - more carefully with conclusions, and the last time on the site is the era of Uri-patriots, they will quickly drive you into the ban with minuses (see the site rules). And I would like to read more people with critical thinking, rather than the slogans of Baikonur. wink
    6. kapitan92
      kapitan92 17 March 2016 09: 48
      +4
      Quote: Mengsk
      Hooray, so win.

      We will win! There is no doubt about that. Analysts predict the European Union for another five years, and then on to its "skerries". The project In the European Union, Germany is "pushing through". She understands perfectly well that without energy resources, with guaranteed supply, business will get through. All the "eastern sticklers" like Romania, let them howl, will not be long. Let's wait and see!
      1. Galich Kos
        Galich Kos 17 March 2016 12: 39
        0
        Quote: kapitan92
        Analysts predict the European Union for another five years, and then on to its "skerries".



        British scientists have proven?
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 17 March 2016 16: 38
          0
          Quote: Galich Kos
          British scientists have proven?

          Moreover - the Shnobel Prize received)))))))
    7. Rossiyanin
      Rossiyanin 17 March 2016 09: 49
      +2
      Do you want to say that Crimea will do without a bridge?
    8. 222222
      222222 17 March 2016 09: 52
      +2
      NEW PLANTS AND WORKSHOPS OF RUSSIA in 2014
      In 2014, the pace of commissioning of new modern facilities is illustrated as follows:
      January 2014 of the year:
      1. 21 January - In the city of Naberezhnye Chelny (Tatarstan), a new production building of the joint venture KAMAZ and the German concern Zahnrad Fabrik - TF KAMA was opened.
      Investments: more than 1 billion rubles .....

      http://alex-o-mire.blogspot.ru/2014/08/2014.html

      NEW PLANTS AND WORKSHOPS OF RUSSIA in 2015

      January 2015 of the year:

      1. January 20 - in the Kemerovo Region, the Kaltan-Energeticheskaya concentrator was launched at the Kaltan coal mine.
      Capacity: 2,6 mln. Tonnes of high quality T. enriched coal

      Investments: 4 bln. Rub.

      2. January 21 - in Obninsk, Kaluga region A new administrative and production complex of Obninsk Energy-Technology Company CJSC was opened.

      Investments: 180 mln. Rub.
      .....
      http://matveychev-oleg.livejournal.com/2982383.html

      .. well how !! ??????????????????? This ... do not roll stones!
    9. 30BIS
      30BIS 17 March 2016 09: 52
      +1
      If you have, suddenly, at home in the kitchen, cognac starts to flow from the tap. And there will be a lineup of buyers for this fragrant drink at a good price .. Will you require import substitution for chlorinated water ??? I think let the hot and cold water flow in the bathroom. And in the kitchen you will leave cognac !!
    10. siberalt
      siberalt 17 March 2016 09: 58
      +1
      Yes, it is understandable. Some warm the transport pipe, while others would like it at home.
    11. Al1977
      Al1977 17 March 2016 12: 42
      0
      Quote: Mengsk
      Import substitution, industrial development, the flowering of science ... no, baby, this is Russia. The construction of new gas pipelines, the grand 2018 World Cup in football, the overdose of money on the Kerch bridge, the new $ 5 billion to the US government debt. Hooray, so win.

      "-45" Were you convinced that everything is completely different in Russia?))))) All is bad in the EU, it will soon fall apart along with the United States, and Russia is going the right way, since our enemies are scolding it))
    12. unsinkable
      unsinkable 17 March 2016 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Mengsk
      Import substitution, industrial development, the flowering of science ... no, baby, this is Russia. The construction of new gas pipelines, the grand 2018 World Cup in football, the overdose of money on the Kerch bridge, the new $ 5 billion to the US government debt. Hooray, so win.

      Well, you are the real son of the snake. (I explain: the snake is a bastard). negative
      1. Mengsk
        Mengsk 17 March 2016 16: 00
        +1
        Quote: unsinkable
        Well, you are the real son of the snake. (I explain: the snake is a bastard).


        What is it all of a sudden? I am among compatriots, I can discuss with them the problems of the country and express my opinion. Of course, in a conversation with non-Russian I will not allow myself any liberties. As they say, their dogs are biting - do not get alien aliens ...
    13. avebersek
      avebersek 17 March 2016 22: 46
      0
      Do not understand the situation. Why are they opposed to direct to Germany. It was through Bulgaria with the accompanying countries, then through Turkey and Greece, A, this is money for transit, and not small .. But it did not grow together, they are to blame. Do not figs sway. Directly with a strategic partner. Dot. And then divide the pace.
  2. RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette 17 March 2016 08: 30
    +4
    Intrauterine flour continues. Apparently firewood has already been procured for 10 years ahead, so a direct contradiction of the energy strategy of Europe is visible.
  3. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 17 March 2016 08: 30
    +1
    Everyone knocks a discount as he can)
  4. Saffron
    Saffron 17 March 2016 08: 34
    +2
    They were simply offended that a gas pipeline would pass by them and Germany would distribute gas to them
  5. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 17 March 2016 08: 34
    +4
    A united Europe becomes hemorrhoids for Europe itself. A rich and strong Germany must coordinate its actions with the impoverished half-starving Romania and the like. The Germans will certainly sell this pipeline, but it will take a lot of time and nerves.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 17 March 2016 09: 43
      +2
      ..a contract with Ukraine from Russia until 2019 .. after this period of transit through the ruin will not .. gallop budemo already geyropa, chi hopak, chy letka enka shoved someone in the breech to coordinate rhythm and ecstasy ..
  6. oborzevatel
    oborzevatel 17 March 2016 08: 37
    +2
    The governments of 10 EU countries, including Romania, sent a letter to the European Commission stating that the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project is contrary to the interests of the European community

    Romania, Karl! ...
    No words.
    These rogue where they climb?
    Who are the rest?
    Wangyu:
    Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and others involved.
  7. Nsk 54
    Nsk 54 17 March 2016 08: 37
    +5
    By the way, how is the Power of Siberia doing?
    1. Mechanic
      Mechanic 17 March 2016 09: 27
      +2
      Is something silent? We worry ourselves.
  8. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 March 2016 08: 43
    0
    Well sobsno who is against? US mop-mop-ups
    Those who are an instrument of American influence in the EU.
    I don’t even bother to estimate I can: Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine.
    The remaining ones are not significant.
  9. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 March 2016 08: 45
    +4
    We should be "on the drum" with the opinion of Romania, Poland and someone else - if eio is beneficial for Russia, then everything is being done correctly!
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 17 March 2016 08: 46
    +2
    Merkel, a girl, although an evil Russophobia, she will not put Germany’s interests under the EU. Indeed, today they basically have enough gas (Russia (40%), Norway (35%) and the Netherlands (21%) imports.) They themselves produce, some export (read, resell), but the economic and political aspect of the Nord Stream is that the tap of transit to the EU will be in Germany and therefore this dissonant howl.
  11. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 17 March 2016 08: 49
    +2
    All countries are interested in reliable Russian gas supplies.
    Just each of them pulls a blanket over himself.
    But the main factor opposing Russian gas pipelines is the United States, tipping its satellites to actions that harm their own countries ...
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    2. faridg7
      faridg7 17 March 2016 12: 09
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      All countries are interested in reliable Russian gas supplies.
      Just each of them pulls a blanket over himself.

      So I would not mind holding on to this blanket either, otherwise they are ready to supply everyone except ourselves. The day before yesterday, a comrade spoke with relatives from near Lugansk, so among other information for himself he noted:
      They have a kilowatt of electricity for household goods 0,8 r we have 2.6 r
      They refuel with a propane cylinder 1200r we have 1800r
      And both that and another is delivered from Russia.
      No, it’s understandable, Europe and Ukraine to the gentlemen from the gas industry and the RAEES are more dear than we Russians.
      We have the same situevina with the land - before the Ukrainian crisis, they started giving land to families for building houses (young families and families with two children), the crisis began, there were refugees, they stopped giving land to Primorsky families, justifying the lack of it for refugees. Well, what, they need to be given, because they may not take root here and leave, and here we are with the roots, where we will go from here, you can also come up with some sort of mockery for us,
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  13. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 17 March 2016 08: 51
    +1
    By the time it will be necessary to make a decision on the construction of SP-2, there may no longer be a united Europe ...
  14. Mechanic
    Mechanic 17 March 2016 08: 52
    +1
    "A rich and strong Germany should ..., Germany is Europe", the rest are European trifles, pot-bellied, like, and rogue. I do not understand, are you all concerned about Germany? About her well-being? And about Russia, who will say at least a couple of kind words, does it need this SP-2 or is it out of despair, does not Russia thereby drive itself into new irrecoverable expenses, does this all lead to the further decline of Russia?
    1. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 17 March 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Is Russia in decline?
      1. Mechanic
        Mechanic 17 March 2016 09: 09
        +4
        Is she in prosperity?
        1. vitaliy.rnd
          vitaliy.rnd 17 March 2016 10: 03
          0
          Are you Jewish? I actually asked a question.
          1. Mechanic
            Mechanic 17 March 2016 10: 37
            0
            "You yourself are a Jew," thought Stirlitz. Well it is. Actually, with your question, you reminded one "optimist" who had been proving to the lady all night that soft is better than hard.
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      3. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 17 March 2016 09: 57
        -3
        Quote: vitaliy.rnd
        Is Russia in decline?

        The Lord is with you - it rises from its knees ... it just bent a bit too much)))
        1. vitaliy.rnd
          vitaliy.rnd 17 March 2016 10: 05
          +3
          And who said that Russia generally once was on its knees? Many tried to bring to their knees, and where are they now?
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 17 March 2016 10: 11
            +3
            Quote: vitaliy.rnd
            And who said that Russia generally once was on its knees?

            This is not invented by me - the slogan beloved by the ducks))))) hi
            In 1991, Yeltsin and Co. did not succeed ...
            1. ML-334
              ML-334 17 March 2016 12: 10
              +1
              I would not say “on our knees.” Remember, there was a stuffing about the adoption of “European values” - pederast parades and so on. Yes, we were bent down, but we did not kneel.
  15. Symarokov897
    Symarokov897 17 March 2016 08: 54
    +5
    We pull the pipe, and how many people in Russia live without gas .....
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 17 March 2016 09: 56
      +5
      Quote: Symarokov897
      We pull the pipe, and how many people in Russia live without gas .....

      You’re ridiculous, you can rip off three skins from us anyway, and let the gas be better for the bucks so unloved by the patriots abroad)))
  16. koralvit
    koralvit 17 March 2016 08: 54
    +6
    "Nord Stream-2" with a capacity of 55 billion cubic meters. a year is good, the question is, who is good? Let's get away from blackmailing Svidomo, that's good. And where will the profit from the sale of gas go to the purchase of colored candy wrappers from the United States? This is bad. For some reason, our government does not want Russia to develop, to increase industrial production, the question is why? Or is it economic ignorance, or direct sabotage.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 17 March 2016 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: koralvit
      And where will the profits from the sale of gas go for the acquisition of colored candy wrappers in the USA? This is bad. For some reason, our government does not want Russia to develop, increase industrial production, this is the question, why?

      Profits will go to those who own the pipe. This money will not reach the people. Capitalism, the louse is vigorous. And why? Those who are sitting on the pipe are not profitable to develop our production, it is more profitable for them to receive money for the pipe. If production begins to develop with us, Europe will need less gas. That is, import substitution is disadvantageous to pipe owners.
    2. obana
      obana 17 March 2016 11: 08
      +4
      Quote: koralvit
      For some reason, our government does not want

      And why does the guarantor not want, but runs around with all sorts of flows and forces of Siberia, frantically searching for someone to extend the pipe to?
  17. vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 17 March 2016 09: 00
    +1
    It is time for them to understand that Ukraine will no longer be a transit country. So all this screech of 10 countries is essentially empty.
    1. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 17 March 2016 10: 07
      +1
      And the disadvantages put Ukrainians dissatisfied with the loss of transit? laughing
  18. Taygerus
    Taygerus 17 March 2016 09: 03
    +4
    Quote: koralvit
    "Nord Stream-2" with a capacity of 55 billion cubic meters. a year is good, the question is, who is good? Let's get away from blackmailing Svidomo, that's good. And where will the profit from the sale of gas go to the purchase of colored candy wrappers from the United States? This is bad. For some reason, our government does not want Russia to develop, to increase industrial production, the question is why? Or is it economic ignorance, or direct sabotage.


    it’s not economic illiteracy, they’re just great economists, it’s an undermining of the Russian economy as a whole, and the direction you yourself know from where
  19. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 17 March 2016 09: 09
    +4
    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    And if there is no way to change, then you do not need to tell tales.



    Tales, tales, fairy tales. So the point is my blind friend, that swelling Russian money into the American economy is not a fairy tale.
    HZ, maybe the head of government who determines the economic policy of the country is an American agent of influence? Then there are no questions, he does everything right.
    And we can this is another tricky plan for GDP))
  20. Neophyte
    Neophyte 17 March 2016 09: 18
    +3
    I’m bored like a former gypsy baron against the pipe? Miserable countries-limotrophs (8-10pcs), what can they do? Howl and tear a goat in the crotch, standing up for the Ukrainian pipe, especially since the ukrotrub will soon fall apart from the lack of repair!
  21. garnik64
    garnik64 17 March 2016 09: 19
    +1
    This was to be expected. If Ukraine can be punished somehow, then Germany is unlikely. And it will be severely blackmailed through vassal states. So much money has been spent on all kinds of oil and gas projects, which is probably better to sell energy to Ukraine at domestic prices and control the highway. All the same, they are not strangers. Among other things, the UK we sell cheaper than Ukraine.
  22. Oleg1080
    Oleg1080 17 March 2016 09: 19
    +1
    They just want to save as Hohland.
    The economy should be economical, not political.
  23. Sakhalin.
    Sakhalin. 17 March 2016 09: 22
    +1
    A woman with a cart, the mare is easier!
  24. MGB
    MGB 17 March 2016 09: 22
    +1
    Quote: Mengsk
    Import substitution, industrial development, the flowering of science ... no, baby, this is Russia. The construction of new gas pipelines, the grand 2018 World Cup in football, the overdose of money on the Kerch bridge, the new $ 5 billion to the US government debt. Hooray, so win.

    Actually it’s right, just what did the 2018 World Cup and the Kerch Bridge not please you. They just help in
    Import substitution, industrial development, the flowering of science ...
    .
  25. Omsk
    Omsk 17 March 2016 09: 30
    +4
    Whether or not SP-2 will be decided overseas. most likely not to be. and about the infusion of money into foreign economies - the comrade said everything correctly.
    [/ quote] And if there is no way to change, then you do not need to tell tales. [/ quote]

    and what fairy tales? propose going out with a march of protest? so we have untouchables connected with minke whales, and ordinary citizens are even very touched on different parts of the body ...
    it’s painful to watch what local nouveaux riches and officials do (often these are the same people / nonhumans). and everything was commissioned by our beloved and adored Muscovites, who are buying up local industry in the bud. in our region, 70% of industry is owned by Moscow companies and 95% of rural industries. the tactics are the same - fictitious bankruptcy, acquisition, reassignment, often new bankruptcy and closure. I think such a picture in many places. It’s getting harder and harder to tell ourselves that everything is chocolate. especially when the question arose of conducting a kind of free operation, but at the same time you need to find 70 thousand rubles. For someone it is less than a salary, for a pensioner it is very problematic ...
  26. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 17 March 2016 09: 34
    +11
    Selling energy resources to the west and investing the proceeds in securities and foreign currency of the West, the Russian Federation stimulates the development of the Western economy, bleeding its own.
    For sale is a national treasure of a country with a harsh climate - non-renewable energy resources. And what we get in return is that we are limited in the procurement of technological equipment, we have limited access to financial markets, sanctions are announced, we are deprived of words in organizations funded from the country's budget, we are constantly required to make concessions, and more and more.
    Is it time for the country to draw a conclusion and start using the national treasure for the benefit of the country and its people? and not engage in strengthening our opponents, many of which can be considered enemies without stretch?
    National treasure is natural gas,
    and not companies that provide valuable raw materials to our opponents,
    all the more so, not "effective" super-high-paid managers, whose personal incomes flow abroad, stimulating the development of the foreign economy.
    It may be time to develop a domestic network of gas consumers, provide rural areas with natural gas so that valuable energy is available throughout the country, which would stimulate the development of industrial production in the outback, provide jobs, and therefore people's incomes, stimulate the development of consumer demand.
    Domestic fuel prices are by no means low, and state-owned companies' revenues from the domestic market will only grow.
    Instead, Western partners are beating our Gazprom today, and we continue to invest in the development of the foreign market, risking losses. And we get-the West seeks to finish off the Russian economy, and quite successfully.
    You can imagine the situation on the market,
    when the seller tries to give the goods to one buyer,
    which sets the conditions I’ll take, cheaper, with delivery at the seller’s expense, provided that the transport is half loaded and competitor’s goods are delivered by this transport,
    and another customer is standing nearby
    who wants to buy this product, become a regular customer, there will be no competitors in the relationship with him and the situation guarantees the establishment of reasonable prices,
    but the seller reduces the price in the first case, agrees to any conditions, just to give the goods to this buyer and refuses the second?
    But the state-owned company does that.
    As for the domestic market, in the country the vast majority of settlements are not gasified, there are problems with heating the housing stock, but still we cannot deal with deep wood processing, because modern production with stove heating is not possible.
    Gazprom is not thinking about the country, and it is shedding tears, begging opponents to give a chance to strengthen their economy.
    1. region58
      region58 17 March 2016 10: 04
      0
      Quote: olimpiada15
      The national property of a country with a harsh climate, non-renewable energy resources are for sale.

      Quote: olimpiada15
      Gazprom is not thinking about the country

      I will support. The same thoughts are spinning. They do not want to buy - send them on an erotic journey, there enlightenment in the brain comes faster ... From natural gas, besides drowning, there is much that can be produced, there would be a desire. You can of course nod to the budget, they say money goes there - yes they go, only from domestic consumers who are now without gas, the money would also go. And there you look and descendants will say thanks.
      1. region58
        region58 17 March 2016 12: 16
        0
        Quote: region58
        Quote: olimpiada15
        The national property of a country with a harsh climate, non-renewable energy resources are for sale.

        Information for consideration:
        Russian Minister of Nature Sergey Donskoy said that, according to his calculations, about 14 billion tons of “black gold” remained in our country. Proven oil reserves will last only 28 years of production.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 17 March 2016 10: 15
      -2
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Gazprom is not thinking about the country,

      Eugene, you are not too lazy to push such carts ??? belay
    3. obana
      obana 17 March 2016 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Gazprom is not thinking about the country

      Why Gazprom? First of all, the president should think about the country, and he only seeks out how to extend another one abroad.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 17 March 2016 20: 07
        0
        Any state-owned company must be guided by the interests of the country, including Gazprom
        The president thinks about the country and he is a smart person, a professional intelligence officer, a patriot of his country.
        And to deny this is to sin against the truth.
        The results of his work are impressive.
        But he is also a man, and he has one head. Yes, the president’s capabilities are enormous, but the scope of the problems is enormous.
        Let’s think and compare what tasks an individual person, intelligent, educated, responsible, solves. This is to carry out your work most effectively, provide for your family, solve everyday problems, raise your children, teach, and treat. Does everything work out equally well for everyone? Honestly, the majority copes only with work, there is not enough time for everyday problems and children, chronically not enough time, and there is no time to rest on your health either.
        Recognized yourself? The vast majority are faced with this situation.
        Do not ask others more than yourself.
  27. dckx
    dckx 17 March 2016 09: 34
    +3
    The letter was signed by the Prime Ministers of Estonia, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Slovakia, Romania and the President of Lithuania. We open the card - how can this be thrown all of them ..... morons Bl @ t. Only they can yap, disgusting.
  28. Simoom
    Simoom 17 March 2016 09: 42
    +3
    But you shouldn’t please everyone, so you shouldn’t try. In addition, Poland and the other six US, the lowest sample, will always be yapping at the Russian Federation.
  29. Gunther
    Gunther 17 March 2016 09: 47
    +3
    Of these "signers" I am amazed by Hungary, with the rest (Tribalts, Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Croatia) it is understandable, but the Hungarians have some kind of ambiguous position, they hang out like a well-known product in the ice hole, then they want to establish connections (we supply products etc.), then they podmahayutsya state Department blank.
    Not good.
  30. BOB044
    BOB044 17 March 2016 09: 57
    +1
    The Nord Stream-2 project is contrary to the interests of the European community, RIA Novosti reports from the adviser to the Romanian Prime Minister Dan Suchu.
    I miss it and in Africa I miss it. hi
  31. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 March 2016 10: 00
    +1
    You don’t even have to guess who exactly, they are already known. Let them express, they are half-fools, they can. Whoever needs them will vote FOR. And with the wretched, what to take.
  32. samoletil18
    samoletil18 17 March 2016 10: 03
    +7
    We need to develop gas chemistry at home. Then all these "flows" will be just a commercial addition to a stable economy. Only from the pipe the fat is faster than from the factory, and the millers and other figures are already hunting denyuzhku.
    1. Mechanic
      Mechanic 17 March 2016 10: 55
      0
      Ja, ja! Gut!
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  33. 2s1122
    2s1122 17 March 2016 10: 07
    +5
    After 2019, to extend the contract for gas transit through Ukraine simply does not extend for economic reasons, that’s all. And there, let the EU think with what ass to suck this gas.
  34. gringo
    gringo 17 March 2016 10: 17
    +1
    What does this EU energy strategy look like? Even I don’t understand at all, they are wrong and wrong. The grandfather Krylov wrote the strategy for this campaign.
  35. weksha50
    weksha50 17 March 2016 11: 01
    +3
    "this topic (the Nord Stream 2 project) not in line with European energy development strategy"...

    Hmm ... How to say, how to say ... Today Europe is "tse Germany", which dictates many of the rules of being ... And Germany needs this SP-2, even for (cynically, let's say) create greater manageability by "brothers in faith" in Europe (well, like the United States around the world) by finding a hub for the distribution of products necessary for the life of Europeans ...

    Look, who from Europe signed this letter (only 7 countries): Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia (well, these are understandable), Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Romania - that is, all those who are disadvantageous of Russia's refusal to transport via Ukraine .. .

    So it is even "stranger" ... Ukraine is glued to this letter as a signatory ... Is she an EU member ???

    In general, they are against - those who are not profitable to receive gas through Germany ... However, they do not do the weather in Germany ... pah, in Europe ...
  36. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 17 March 2016 11: 27
    0
    I have already written several times - we need to sell gas to Ukraine and let it sell it to Europe. And so we sell it to the Germans and they trade in Europe. How is Ukrainian brother worse than German? You look and Nenko-Ukraine will come out of the ....
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    2. faridg7
      faridg7 17 March 2016 12: 06
      +3
      I’m afraid with such a freebie that she’s out of her ... she’s also getting into someone else’s well .., and I would very much like this well .. not to be ours
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  38. 31rus2
    31rus2 17 March 2016 12: 04
    0
    Dear SP-2, it’s not in the first place in the interests of Russia to build a gas pipeline in the current political situation, and even tied to EU laws, just adventurism and a thirst for profit, tomorrow the EU will adopt a law on energy carriers and tie it to sanctions, then it’s worth it
  39. drilled
    drilled 17 March 2016 12: 43
    +2
    they are not afraid of the Russian Federation, but dependence on inadequate Germany
  40. pts-m
    pts-m 17 March 2016 12: 46
    +1
    And recently a word was given to the mongrels! When the two powers agree, the little howlers under their feet are not fucked to get confused, otherwise they will inadvertently crush and not leave wet places.
  41. dvg1959
    dvg1959 17 March 2016 18: 31
    0
    It is unlikely that this collusion will affect the implementation of this project. Still, the leading European countries are interested in it. And the listed signatories are, as it were, not quite a "ceevrope". But, under the influence of America, problems can arise.