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Test drive armored car "Typhoon-K": combat "KAMAZ"

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We didn't have to wait long. A few minutes later, KamAZ-63968, aka Typhoon-K, drove to the site in person. The angular shapes of this armored vehicle at first made it possible to suspect a "shushpanzer" in it - so on the militaryhistorical resources are called all sorts of homemade armored vehicles. But no, we have a modern, skillful, technological and, it seems, a rather expensive car.


Comfort zone
"Typhoon-K" is saturated with modern technology and provides the military with a high level of comfort. It is not necessary to freeze in the cold, nor to choke in the heat: there are both heaters and air conditioning on board.

In the conditions of modern conflicts, when the solid front line is absent and the tactics of sabotage and ambush are widely used, danger lurks anywhere. The personnel on the march must be defended seriously. Some time ago, our army tried to strengthen the protection of the usual "Urals", which were traditionally transported soldiers. But it turned out that these cars do not “pull” the reservation. And in 2010, it was decided to develop completely new automotive platforms. Already at the anniversary Victory Parade last year, the Typhoon-K rolled through Red Square.

These cars are new to us, but in other countries MRAP armored cars have been around for a relatively long time. MRAP is an English abbreviation for "mine protection, counter ambush". Actually, that’s what it says. "Typhoon-K" - put on a three-axle chassis (formula 6 x 6) a two-part structure consisting of a driver's cabin and a functional module for transported personnel (landing force). The machine has a circular bulletproof reservation (a combination of ceramic and steel armor), allowing at least to withstand shots of armor-piercing bullets of caliber 7,62 mm. The machine will not be fatally damaged by a mine exploded under the bottom with TNT equivalent up to 6 kg - mine protection is formed by a V-shaped bottom, special wheels with explosion-proof inserts and a design of the seats that compensates for the effects of overloading the spine when it explodes from below. The design of the wheels is such that when a wheel breaks, it retains its functionality and you can ride it for another fifty kilometers at 50 km / h.

Test drive armored car "Typhoon-K": combat "KAMAZ"

and can accelerate to 105 − 110 km / h, which is facilitated by the 450-strong KAMAZ-740.35-450 turbo diesel. The only thing that brought light discomfort while driving was the need to taxi: the car drove slightly to the side - perhaps this was due to uneven tire inflation.

Well, let's try to climb into the cab. It is located high - you have to climb a special ladder. The door is so heavy that it opens and closes the pneumatic drive. When the door is closed, the red locking knob must be further advanced. Standard “KAMAZ” devices in the cab are adjacent to LCD displays. Progress is evident! While in the cab, the driver has ample opportunities to control equipment. For example, it can set the tire inflation modes. Or - thanks to the adjustable hydropneumatic suspension - to change the ground clearance within plus or minus 200 mm. Another feature: any of the wheels can be torn off the ground and raised. It is convenient for replacing rubber without any jack; in addition, such a function can be useful in combat conditions if the wheel is badly damaged. The box is automatic, and certain design problems were associated with this. The fact is that, as all owners of cars with automatic transmission know, it is highly recommended not to tow such cars, much less start them up “from the pusher”. Due to the emergency lubrication mode, an expensive unit can be screwed up. And what about in combat conditions? Call a 24-ton tow truck? The designers had to think and still find a solution. "Typhoon-K" can be hooked to a tractor or tank and calmly, without prejudice to the box tow or start.



Well, turn on the Drive mode and go. We turn around on the platform - the turning radius of the almost nine-meter collar is relatively small, and this is due to the fact that two front axles participate in taxiing. True, when you turn the steering wheel, you have to turn it pretty, you immediately feel that it is not a car. Visibility in the cockpit, as in almost all military technology, leaves much to be desired. True, great side mirrors help a lot, and in addition, images can be displayed on the displays from cameras that are installed on board and cover the panorama 360 degrees. Frontal bulletproof glass thickness 13 cm skips 70% rays, which creates a feeling of light tinting. We roll out onto the asphalt road and drive somewhere further inland. Asphalt is replaced by broken concrete. There is a pothole on a pothole, and it is impossible to say that they are not noticeable in the cabin, but you still feel quite comfortable. We find another small area, again, easy to turn around and go back. Well, so what? A car is a car. While driving along the road, there is not even the feeling that you are driving a heavy car that is comparable in weight to a loaded wagon. This sensation comes only when braking, when, emitting a characteristic puff, the pneumatic brake is activated. In general, acquaintance with the "Typhoon-K" turned out to be extremely interesting, it remains only to regret that it was not possible to compare the car with the "KAMAZ-63969" (this is an experienced modification of the "Typhoon-K" with increased protection and the ability to install a remotely controlled machine gun) as well as with the Typhoon-U (a bonded MRAP type armored car in the Ural Automobile variant). Let's hope that this is all ahead.
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  1. igorka357
    igorka357 20 March 2016 06: 42
    +7
    We have Kamaz as a "Kalash", and this is not good! Worthy if not better "Ural", but for some reason they slow down!
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 20 March 2016 07: 01
      +28
      I don’t know how technical it is, but visually I like the Ural typhoons more. and yes there are suspicions that Kamaz directly wants to become a monopolist, pushing the rest away.
      1. avt
        avt 20 March 2016 09: 43
        +4
        Quote: ruslan
        I don’t know how technical it is, but visually I like the Ural typhoons more. and yes there are suspicions that Kamaz directly wants to become a monopolist, pushing the rest away.

        Wants - a medical fact. But it seems to me, or really, that the KAMAZ exit from the rear ramp seems to be lower than that of the URAL?
        1. marshes
          marshes 20 March 2016 14: 26
          +3
          Quote: avt
          Wants - a medical fact. But it seems to me, or really, that the KAMAZ exit from the rear ramp seems to be lower than that of the URAL?

          Even in the ordinary Urals, in order to climb the ladder you need smile The other day I was transporting something from the "junk" somewhere.
          1. avt
            avt 20 March 2016 14: 38
            +3
            Quote: marshes
            Even in the ordinary Urals, in order to climb the ladder you need

            Well, I still realized from my student years when sacks of potatoes were thrown at him. It seems as though you are throwing them on the second floor of the house; laughing Then with the ZIL-130 just rested.
            1. marshes
              marshes 20 March 2016 14: 46
              +2
              Quote: avt
              Well, I still realized from my student years when sacks of potatoes were thrown at him. It seems as though you are throwing them on the second floor of the house; Then with the ZIL-130 just rested.

              I respect 130, and especially with the "agricultural worker", body 131 for the war in Europe, 92-93 gasoline, 76-80 go. Sam handed over the rights to 131.
              And so for 300 km with impassability, I gobbled up the Urals under 200 liters of solarium, back and forth. We punched the wheel, replaced it with something as it was thrown into the body.
              So respect has grown, for heavy truck drivers.
              By the way, GAZELnext began to be collected from us in Semipalatinsk, I met a car in the city. We are waiting for Sadko Nekst. smile
              1. avt
                avt 20 March 2016 14: 51
                +4
                Quote: marshes
                By the way, GAZELnext began to be collected from us in Semipalatinsk, but I did not meet a car in the city.

                good Beautiful cabin! I confess even to her GAZ did not immediately recognize laughing , while I didn’t take a look at the nameplate. Already, minibuses appeared, but so far it’s a piece.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 20 March 2016 14: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: avt
                  .Already minibuses appeared, but so far piece by piece

                  We have already begun to collect them. That's what gives 2 thousandth scrap of duties and fees for the initial registration. I spoke with Deripaska, you can agree.
      2. would
        would 20 March 2016 20: 56
        0
        According to the technical part of the Ural hood, the front axle is located relatively far from the cab. When hitting a mine \ IED will destroy for the most part the hood (and everything that is under it naturally) and less habitable space. In the KAMAZ typhoon, they tried to fix this by taking the cab forward and thus the front axle appeared to be behind the cab. But I have doubts about the equivalence of this option compared to the hood. Of course, they are not confirmed by anything, comparative tests are needed, but I have them.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 10 May 2017 11: 27
          0
          explosions show that both options will not save, only the V-shaped bottom and variable clearance, the rest does not work, except that the reinforced bottom under the cab.
          1. would
            would 10 May 2017 12: 17
            0
            So I'm talking about the Typhoons in which this has already been applied, all these bottoms and stuff. The question was exclusively in the equivalence of, so to say, the removal of a blast when driving a mine on a mine from under the cab of the KAMAZ version by moving the cab itself behind the front axle. Compared to the Urals, in which the bonnet layout and front axle are initially in front of the cab.

            I’ll give a picture to understand what I’m talking about.

            Here is the Typhoon "Kamaz"



            We look at how the cab is moved out of the front axle. And here is the classic Kamaz



            You see that the front axle is literally under the boot of the driver? Accordingly, if the mine fires when the wheel hits, then in the second case, with such a layout, even with MRAP, the effect of the explosion on the driver will be higher because the explosion will be literally under it. Higher than another layout.

            Well, the Typhoon Urals



            See the front axle in front of the cab.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 10 May 2017 23: 50
              0
              The first time I understood what exactly you wrote about. here the thing is different, with a V-shaped bottom and even with normal protection of the bottom under the cab, no fragments will break through the cab from below. Yes, if you stuff +100500 kg of explosives, then fragments and damaging elements can penetrate the cockpit, but at the same time the driver will be dead from overload at this point. Therefore, it does not matter where the wheel is, slightly in front or behind.
              But again, the layout of the wheels is extremely important, not just for the sake of explosion, but for the sake of duplication, so that when the front wheel comes off the car could go and turn, and here it’s just more profitable to move the front pair forward and make the second a little further than the driver’s seat .
              Personally, I think that ABSOLUTELY ALL the trucks and the trucks currently exist are not suitable for the Russian Federation. I know what is needed and how to, but who will listen to the "civilian" sad
              1. would
                would 11 May 2017 03: 47
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                The first time I understood what exactly you wrote about. here the thing is different, with a V-shaped bottom and even with normal protection of the bottom under the cab, no fragments will break through the cab from below. Yes, if you stuff +100500 kg of explosives, then fragments and damaging elements can penetrate the cockpit, but the driver will be dead from overload at this point. Therefore, it does not matter where the wheel is, slightly in front or behind.


                Disagree

                Firstly, it is not only about fragments, but also about the transfer of the energy of the explosion to a person, in this case the driver. If the source of the explosion is directly below the driver, then more energy will be transferred to it than if it is in front or behind. That is, this is one of the methods to reduce the transfer of explosion energy to the driver and as a result of his injury.

                Secondly, the explosion goes up and its strength can be such that it will pierce the bottom and cause serious damage to the machine. And thus, if it does not happen under the driver and the cab, then the driver and the cab will be affected only tangentially, sharply reducing damage to humans.

                As a vivid example of this, you can recall the undermining of the US Army MRAP Cuguar on two 152mm HEs. The explosion, as we can see, occurred under the front wheel, but due to the bonnet layout, the hood and engine were blown apart, and the driver's cab remained more or less intact.




                The whole crew is alive, several even retained combat effectiveness despite the fact that this machine was also discarded.

                Another example on unarmored trucks



                So it is extremely important for the life of the driver to remove the wheelset from under the cab even on the armored MPC and it is proved that even with a serious destruction of the car, if the explosion did not occur under the driver, he is able to survive it and completely maintain combat efficiency. And no

                the driver will be dead from overload at this point.


                He has an explosion-proof seat that will keep the driver from flying headlong into the cab roof and so on.
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 11 May 2017 13: 29
                  0
                  in the video you provided, an ordinary truck explodes without a V shaped bottom, so I do not accept it as an argument confirming your opinion.

                  more...
                  Quote: rait
                  He has an explosion-proof seat that will keep the driver from flying headlong into the cab roof and so on.

                  You misunderstand the process of driver death during overload. Nobody strikes anywhere there, especially on the roof, for the driver is fastened with seat belts to the seat. With a blast, a sharp lift of the car occurs, because the driver experiences a blow from below, part of the blow can extinguish the overload chair, and this saves from weak blasts, but with a strong blast, the compensators rest in their stroke length and the impulse is transmitted to the spine, as a result of the impulse, the elements of the spine are displaced, most often there is a displacement of the cervical spine, because of which the crew dies. The V-shaped flat bottom leads the gases to the side thereby reducing the vertical momentum (the gases have nothing to catch on and therefore there is no vertical draft). So, with your version, with the wheel moved forward, the impulse is additionally reduced due to the longer lever relative to the driver’s position, and in the typhoon due to the forward cabin (the same lever but in the opposite direction), and in the classical scheme ( driver above the wheel) the impulse decreases due to the exit of gases forward + up + side and back + up + side (for the cab with a minimum length). Therefore, the result, all other things being equal, is the same for them.

                  more...
                  Quote: rait
                  Secondly, the explosion goes up and its strength can be such that it will pierce the bottom and cause serious damage to the machine. And thus, if it does not happen under the driver and the cab, then the driver and the cab will be affected only tangentially, sharply reducing damage to humans.

                  I repeat: if the blast is too strong when pressure is created and fragments can penetrate the lower reinforced armor layer under the cockpit, such a big impulse is already being given to the cockpit that the driver is guaranteed to turn his neck and die before these fragments and gases penetrate inside the cockpit.
                  1. would
                    would 12 May 2017 13: 01
                    0
                    in the video you provided, an ordinary truck explodes without a V shaped bottom, so I do not accept it as an argument confirming your opinion.


                    Whether the car has a V shaped bottom or not, the principle of the effect of energy on the cabin does not change from this. The farther the source of the explosion from the cockpit, the less energy will affect it. Regardless of the presence or absence of the corresponding bottom.

                    As for a certain displacement of the vertebrae, it somehow does not seem to me. The head is limited in movement by the head restraint, it can hardly be shaken so that it breaks the neck, the spine and the person himself are locked in a chair in which, even when undermining, overload will not clearly exceed a serious accident, for example, where a person is in a less protected chair, in a two-point belt, and not in four-point, it throws not up, but forward or sideways without such a restriction of mobility. And nothing survives, and even whiplash neck fractures do not always receive. Recently, he witnessed a collision between a subcompact and a dump truck, a frontal one with a 180-degree turn of the first. The driver survived and it can be said that she easily got off without any “vertebral displacement”.

                    So this moment is absolutely incomprehensible to me, and as a person who is familiar with anatomy, neither the mechanism nor what it means by the displacement of the vertebrae is incomprehensible. Where are they moving? How? The fact that with such a load the vertebra can push through the intervertebral disc, I know, but it can’t shift. Here I would very much like to see a link to relevant studies.

                    I repeat: if the blast is too strong when pressure is created and fragments can penetrate the lower reinforced armor layer under the cockpit, such a big impulse is already being given to the cockpit that the driver is guaranteed to turn his neck and die before these fragments and gases penetrate inside the cockpit.


                    As we can see in the photo, this is an absolute lie, the cabin is intact, the whole crew is alive, the hood has been blown to hell. By the way, it is very difficult to roll your neck in the right anti-blast chair, head movements are limited to the side and back. She can only bend forward.
                    1. ProkletyiPirat
                      ProkletyiPirat 13 May 2017 05: 08
                      0
                      Quote: rait
                      Whether the car has a V shaped bottom or not, the principle of the effect of energy on the cabin does not change from this. The farther the source of the explosion from the cockpit, the less energy will affect it. Regardless of the presence or absence of the corresponding bottom.

                      Here is the error of your logical chain.
                      No matter where the explosion occurred, the atmospheric pressure under the machine is important. A simple example, why does a plane fly? because under the wing the air pressure is greater than over the wing, hence the lifting force. The explosion is the same thing, under the machine a higher pressure than above it. Therefore, the only way to reduce the toss of the machine is to lower the pressure, making it go to the sides, this makes the V-shaped bottom.

                      more...
                      about the spine, look for information on the internet, I met a description of the problem in articles on astronautics and landing in technology.

                      more...
                      about the photo, the hood was blown up because the engineers are stupid people, and they need to tear their heads off for such shouting, they just have to think not to protect them from the increase in pressure (because they were torn off before) and even the wheel mounts were deepened into the body (the same pressure in the engine compartment). And yes, take a closer look, the cabin is damaged due to the fact that the dviglo and the gearbox were torn out. Although judging by data from an Internet crew survived. but this is only because there was no shelling. In normal mrap only wheels come off, and even without them, he continues to drive.
                      1. would
                        would 13 May 2017 08: 40
                        0
                        No matter where the explosion occurred, the atmospheric pressure under the machine is important.


                        Clearly, you do not have the appropriate education and you have the air pressure under the machine from the explosion constantly, regardless of the place of the explosion. And then they made comparisons with the aircraft that you do not apply here.
                      2. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 13 May 2017 16: 32
                        0
                        Do you have an “appropriate” education? For the future, there is no point in talking about education on the Internet. We can only talk about the fidelity or fallacy of certain statements, nothing more.
                        Quote: rait
                        And then they made comparisons with the aircraft that you do not apply here.

                        Aha do your airplanes "not applicable", and the laws of physics "apply"? I remind you of the described effect of the pressure difference is used in aircraft, helicopter, shipbuilding and automotive.
    2. tchoni
      tchoni 20 March 2016 07: 43
      +17
      It’s not the Urals that are slowing down, but Kamaz is being promoted, as it seems to me.
      The phrase in the article "Ural does not pull armor" killed - well, if the Urals do not pull, then who pulls. Minus "federal" was in the absence of an elementary Conder. In the summer it turned into a sauna.
      And, one more remark on the article. Not a word about the landing. They test like a car.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 20 March 2016 09: 19
        0
        They test like a car


        That's it!
        The machine is not designed for one snout
        and not on 2 oddly enough
      2. free
        free 20 March 2016 09: 36
        +7
        Recently I watched a test at a military acceptance about a typhoon ural, everything pulls and how, even up to 110 km / h, and most importantly it is from domestic components, unlike Kamaz.
        1. Svetoch
          Svetoch 20 March 2016 14: 25
          +1
          tried to strengthen the protection of ordinary Urals

          I think it’s about the ordinary Urals, and not about Typhoon-U.
          1. tchoni
            tchoni 20 March 2016 16: 55
            +2
            And this is called "federal"
            1. marshes
              marshes 20 March 2016 16: 58
              +1
              Quote: tchoni
              And this is called "federal"

              In KZ they are bought. And relatively "cheap". The most is for BB.
    3. Megatron
      Megatron 20 March 2016 19: 13
      +1
      Worthy if not better "Ural", but for some reason it slows down!
      \
      Because ROSTEKH is lobbying for KAMAZ, and it is very close to the government!
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 20 March 2016 21: 43
        -1
        The Urals are more passable - for direct warfare of explosives, instead of armored personnel carriers. And KAMAZ instead of unarmored trucks, in the army - to provide and move in the front line. In the south: in the steppes, deserts, mountains and in Europe - KamAZ cross-country is sufficient. In general, the Urals for Russia, KamAZ for abroad. And the troops are also divided: explosives for Russia, armed forces for foreign countries. Everything seems to be logical.
  2. warriordima
    warriordima 20 March 2016 07: 12
    +3
    Looks great!))
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 20 March 2016 07: 36
      +7
      Quote: warriordima
      Looks great!))

      From the outside it looks cool! And what's under the hood? Again pushing Mercedes units with electronic control? I'm not against all this for a "citizen", but the army needs its own, reliable, easy-to-use and reliable. It's time to produce all the units for AME inside RF.
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 20 March 2016 07: 44
    +3
    A serious car for serious people ...
  4. aleco
    aleco 20 March 2016 08: 44
    +1
    What a beast!
  5. strannik1985
    strannik1985 20 March 2016 08: 52
    +3
    The tactical niche of this car (in the passenger version) in the units of the Moscow Region is not entirely clear, the personnel there are moving to their regular BMs, for the role of which this machine is not suitable. In the OBMO for the transport of personnel outside the movement of units? So it was advisable in Chechnya, and now?
    More like a car for parts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (OMON, SWAT, not BB).
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 March 2016 12: 25
      +3
      Quote: strannik1985
      The tactical niche of this car (in the passenger version) in parts of Moscow Oblast is not entirely clear

      Transportation of personnel. For example, air assault units.

      But in general, specifically this test car is designed for another. Special chassis.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 20 March 2016 16: 16
        +1
        In the sense of having equipment in the proposed area of ​​work at the rate of up to 2-3 PDB (one more for BMD / BTR-D) for the brigade? Moreover, this technique is suitable only for transportation, you will not send it to battle.
    2. tchoni
      tchoni 20 March 2016 17: 00
      +2
      Quote: strannik1985
      parts of the Ministry of Defense, the personnel there are moving on their regular BM,

      I know these full-time bm. One normal armored personnel carrier per company. drive a hundred kilometers on it - a feat. It is impossible to send for food, say, or to transport people. Armor-s It is necessary for the commanders. Suddenly a war. And the military traffic police, as well as the civilian, have a lot of questions for armored personnel carriers. And it’s not a tank, and it’s armored, and unarmored vehicles in the battalion can change.
  6. klopik3
    klopik3 20 March 2016 09: 28
    -17%
    Quote: strannik1985
    The tactical niche of this car is not quite clear

    But for what Hard crackdown on Bolotnaya on May 6, 2012
    1. MMX
      MMX 20 March 2016 10: 21
      +13
      Quote: klopik3
      Quote: strannik1985
      The tactical niche of this car is not quite clear

      But for what Hard crackdown on Bolotnaya on May 6, 2012


      To disperse all kinds of rabble, there is mounted police. And so, yes, they regretted the Swamp horses and did not bother them about the collected garbage ...
      1. klopik3
        klopik3 20 March 2016 15: 33
        -15%
        garbage is you angry
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 20 March 2016 16: 42
      0
      Quote: klopik3
      And here for what the Hard dispersal on Bolotnaya on May 6, 2012

      Thanks for reminding me yes . On this occasion, I even put you +. love
    3. Alxii
      Alxii 20 March 2016 17: 56
      +2
      And here for what the Hard dispersal on Bolotnaya on May 6, 2012

      To not be like in Ukraine ...
    4. would
      would 20 March 2016 21: 02
      0
      Just to blurt out something on this topic. For actions in such events, much less protected and cheaper cars are used and not just Typhoons, but MRAPs to them in no way.
  7. Dead hand
    Dead hand 20 March 2016 09: 35
    -19%
    that's what this Kamazik model is for))) ... it won’t pull on more
  8. Dead hand
    Dead hand 20 March 2016 09: 37
    -6
    or such situevina
  9. sabakina
    sabakina 20 March 2016 09: 47
    +17
    Do not kick hard, but I personally prefer Ural.

    1. Dead hand
      Dead hand 20 March 2016 10: 07
      +4
      The Urals are better in that it’s easier ..... and most importantly, there are no problems with the swap oil seals (replacement ... gets out by mounting .... new ones get clogged with at least a bottle of 0,5))) .... Kamaz needs to be dismantled to get to them , and this is not a buzz. But the Urals have a weak handout ... the Urals was with me (assembled personally from the frame)
      1. pimen
        pimen 20 March 2016 13: 48
        0
        automatic pumping of wheels is not a very competent idea at all: a normal bandage on the disc + external lugs are easier and better
        1. Dead hand
          Dead hand 20 March 2016 23: 40
          0
          Well, I had a manual one))) .... the fact is that you won’t go without swapping ... sometimes you go to the idle in the snow (mmm ... crawl) ..... and if Uralik lowers his boots, he rushes, slowly but rushing)))
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 March 2016 17: 50
        +3
        Quote: Dead Hand
        The Urals are better in that it’s easier ..... and most importantly, there are no problems with swap oil seals (replacement ... gets out by mounting .... new ones get clogged with at least 0,5 bottle))).

        You see, from such trifles the overall impression of the car is formed. Maybe something is better with KAMAZ, so only the pilot operation of both samples will allow you to choose the best car, eliminate the shortcomings. And first of all, take into account exactly the reviews of people exploiting this equipment in real conditions! soldier
        1. Dead hand
          Dead hand 21 March 2016 20: 27
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          Bayonet ... the operation took place by me personally ... then I was still younger ... BUT! ..... once again I will tell the Urals a thousand times better ....... cars in general from the factory about anything .. .. completely redone ... and then 5 ... or even 7 seasons go ..... without fake .... if I can interestingly describe the process of remaking ... it is short-lived but very effective))
  10. CTABEP
    CTABEP 20 March 2016 10: 09
    +2
    In addition to motorized rifle companies with their full-time BBMs, there are many units that drive trucks in the old fashioned way. And in the same Chechnya, the infantry constantly drove in trucks. Well, in the choice between the BTR-80 and such trucks when transporting the TTX personnel, it is clearly not on the side of the BTR - 6 kg under its belly at best drops all armored infantry with shells of varying severity to the sidelines.
    1. Dead hand
      Dead hand 20 March 2016 10: 16
      -3
      I agree with you ... that's why it seems to me that this car is only for dispersing the crowd .. although it would be because KM is actively used during mass unrest .... and the flame should burn out faster without accumulating on any protrusions, bumps and bulges, so to speak
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 March 2016 12: 27
        +11
        Quote: Dead Hand
        this car is just to disperse the crowd.

        Uh ... Enchanting. And tell me about a weasel, how often do you have to face the possibility of blowing up a car on an anti-tank mine when "dispersing a crowd"?
        1. Dead hand
          Dead hand 20 March 2016 23: 37
          +1
          Kali what ??? .... it would be interesting to look at the bottom of this car ..... I'm not sure that it will withstand the PTM ..... inside the porridge will be
          1. terehvlad
            terehvlad 21 March 2016 10: 28
            0
            -see how the bucket crumpled on it and the radiator grille http://twower.livejournal.com/1546573.html
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 20 March 2016 13: 26
        +5
        The crowd to disperse the riot police will arrive at a simple groove.
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 20 March 2016 10: 19
      +1
      Which ones? I was taken on armor-Urals in Shali to the assembly of grenade launchers, so it’s 42 MSD which was in the conflict zone on an ongoing basis, why this pepelats in the RF Armed Forces? On an ongoing basis, such machines used parts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      You confuse the BMP-2 (it just has a B / K on the floor) and the BTR-80, the latter is very resistant to mine blasting.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 March 2016 12: 28
      0
      Quote: CTABEP
      6 kg under his belly at best drops all the infantry sitting on the armor with shells of varying severity to the sidelines.

      Does the driver land in the morgue?

      Well, riding on the armor is also not a very good idea.
  11. exo
    exo 20 March 2016 12: 42
    +1
    It’s different types in the army and in aviation, which complicates the supply and maintenance. Therefore, the choice of one car: it doesn’t matter, Kamaz or the Urals, is the right way. As well as the transition to one type of fuel: diesel.
  12. marshes
    marshes 20 March 2016 13: 19
    0
    It will be interesting to observe the further fate of Typhoons K and U.
  13. fest 1973
    fest 1973 20 March 2016 13: 27
    -1
    Quote: Dead Hand
    The Urals are better in that it’s easier ..... and most importantly, there are no problems with the swap oil seals (replacement ... gets out by mounting .... new ones get clogged with at least a bottle of 0,5))) .... Kamaz needs to be dismantled to get to them , and this is not a buzz. But the Urals have a weak handout ... the Urals was with me (assembled personally from the frame)

    Oh, don’t pi .. and! Is it like Bugatti or something ?! winked
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2016 16: 28
      +4
      Quote: fest 1973
      Quote: Dead Hand
      The Urals are better in that it’s easier ..... and most importantly, there are no problems with the swap oil seals (replacement ... gets out by mounting .... new ones get clogged with at least a bottle of 0,5))) .... Kamaz needs to be dismantled to get to them , and this is not a buzz. But the Urals have a weak handout ... the Urals was with me (assembled personally from the frame)

      Oh, don’t pi .. and! Is it like Bugatti or something ?! winked

      Yeah, some screws on the skin about 8 dozens. tortured to put, especially alone. Half-shift went to the cutout of the skin, and half-shift actually to the installation. When, together with our supplier, he counted the number of screws, his eyes went up on his forehead. I had to tell him that I can save.
    2. Dead hand
      Dead hand 20 March 2016 23: 35
      +2
      Dismantled ?? ... or not? ... I have experience driving these two cars in the Arctic .... Ride when ... maybe you can say smart ((
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 March 2016 00: 17
        +3
        Quote: Dead Hand
        Dismantled ?? ... or not? ... I have experience driving these two cars in the Arctic .... Ride when ... maybe you can say smart ((

        Are you talking to me? I worked as a car mechanic for 12 years. Mostly they made trucks written off from the army. And for the Arctic as well. Orange Urals are like that. You take a look at your skin. If there are such golden screws (not native, but with a Phillips screwdriver) then you know - this is a product of my labor. And besides me, no one did such a skin. And he saw such grief-drivers, that neither in a fairy tale to say, nor a pen to describe. drinks
        1. Dead hand
          Dead hand 21 March 2016 20: 28
          0
          I'm not for you ... Fest wrote above about Bugattini
        2. Dead hand
          Dead hand 21 March 2016 20: 32
          0
          the skin is removed ..... hmm ..... or maybe you are annoyed that the UK flag is on ??? ... woe the driver is to you ... take the route Pevek-Bilibino-Omolon-Magadan ... M ?. ..or kina seen enough ... such as the Battle of Omolon ?? ...... you have experience in locksmithing, I notice I don’t discuss it ... although I could)))
  14. 31rus2
    31rus2 20 March 2016 14: 05
    +4
    Dear, such a technique should be modular, you need a capsule, tzm, a honey point, special equipment, etc., then there will be a niche, and here the Urals are in a winning position, I don’t think that the MoD will mass buy such cars, too narrow specialization in this version and expensive, in addition, I consider the armament for such machines to be weak, supplemented with smoke grenade launchers, gas stations, and possibly modernized rgsh,
  15. terehvlad
    terehvlad 20 March 2016 15: 22
    +2
    My blood runs out of my eyes when I see how this 21st century carrier enters a turn. In the 50s, people learned to hold a rocket to the ground with a nozzle, using a gyroscope to plug the gas into the desired nozzle, and in the 21st century pump air cushions external to the turn - they forgot about the gyroscope, which itself would press the swap buttons.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 March 2016 19: 59
      +1
      Actually, the idea is good! And when moving along the slope you can use. good
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 March 2016 22: 26
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Actually, the idea is good! And when moving along the slope you can use. good

        I would like to know who will serve this miracle of technology. If the repair of the Urals can be entrusted even to an conscript with a sledgehammer and such a mother, then here you will have an automatic transmission, for which not every specialist will undertake, and some kind of crap that raises this cart to change the wheel. About all sorts of buttons, switches, generally silent. Flatter, don’t go to the grandmother. Well, in the troops. laughing
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 March 2016 03: 54
          0
          So it seems like the 21st century is in the yard! Or are we slowing down at the level of the past? It's time to get rid of the "sledgehammer and some kind of mother"smile
  16. klopik3
    klopik3 20 March 2016 16: 06
    -7
    Quote: MMX
    And so, yes, they regretted the Swamp horses and did not bother them about the collected garbage ...

    Where are the moderators looking? Why some underestimation can insult the RUSSIAN PEOPLE with impunity!
    1. dumkopff
      dumkopff 20 March 2016 20: 46
      +1
      Troll. Boring.
      1. klopik3
        klopik3 20 March 2016 22: 00
        -2
        Why boring then? I'm even funny in the photo.
  17. marshes
    marshes 20 March 2016 17: 01
    +2
    Maybe ARLANS (KAZAKHSTAN), Maradera, for the needs of VV you will purchase and we will get civilian equipment from you. smile
    1. marshes
      marshes 20 March 2016 20: 11
      +1
      By weight then BARYS, MBOMBE, It’s not bad as well, plus KAMAZ-KAMENS.
      This year at CADEKS 2016 they will present MBOMBE with a wheel arrangement 8x8, KAMAZ KAMENS engine, "BAKHCHA" weaponry, this will be interesting.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 March 2016 20: 17
      +1
      Quote: marshes
      Maybe ARLANS (KAZAKHSTAN), Maradera, for the needs of VV you will purchase and we will get civilian equipment from you.

      It is quite possible, especially since there is information - the possibility of cooperation with the KAMAZ Group on engines, bridges, electrical systems is being explored. hi
      1. marshes
        marshes 20 March 2016 20: 31
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        It is quite possible, especially since there is information - it is being worked out in

        It was South Africa that did not impose any sanctions on you.
        There is a real field for joint projects. Minus the Turks, on the cliff, And together not a bad car can be assembled.
        The same steel, given from Germany, we can simply make our own.
        So according to Paramount, the modernization of MI-24, Not large hovercraft, there is demand. And their last miracle is at least a UAV, even a guided counter-guerrilla aircraft.
  18. pooop
    pooop 20 March 2016 23: 22
    -1
    In vain did they start repeating after the British and Americans. I think this concept is absolutely wrong. In my understanding, given the number of troops, it is better to distribute them into two "Tigers" than into one machine. This option, as a possible alternative, was discussed on the site, and it looks more preferable and cheaper, which is important.
  19. Mentat
    Mentat 21 March 2016 01: 25
    +1
    Quote: klopik3
    Quote: strannik1985
    The tactical niche of this car is not quite clear

    But for what Hard crackdown on Bolotnaya on May 6, 2012

    Oh, what a hard crackdown, you are already amazed at the brutality and cruelty of the Russian police, who touched the tender, vulnerable and delicate natures of the marsh activists with their black gloves!

    It’s not like a rubber bullet or a plastic bullet in f * ck or even in the face (google) on a soft, cordial and democratic dispersal of a rally in the West!

    It's not like kneeling in front of kind-hearted US policemen who, with a kind, soft smile, blow a pepper stream from a police balloon designed to disperse a crowd in your face (google). It’s even touching.

    Not that it’s the turn of plastic bullets into the crowd of Latinos (almost no people, why pity them) with children in their arms.

    It's not like a blow to the face of a woman with a police boot, who dared to touch the American policeman, after which she lost consciousness (or maybe got a concussion).

    And yes, we have such cruel dispersals here in Russia, and don’t talk! I wish you there, in the USA, to disperse ... rubber bullets, batons, ballons, jets of water, police dogs whistle ... romance, just flesh and juice! Go there, huh?
  20. Ustinov 055 055
    Ustinov 055 055 21 March 2016 14: 11
    0
    great machine
  21. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 22 March 2016 14: 30
    0
    It also didn’t hurt to install the Arena with a curtain on it ... people all the same .. not only the parade will travel
  22. Div Divich
    Div Divich April 9 2016 04: 12
    +1

    Typhoon Kamaz does not have a serial chassis, production is more expensive and longer, and foreign parts are annoying.
    Kamaz needs to hand over the tasks of the tractor, carry armored vehicles, missiles, installations, and even then the engine should not be placed under the cab, but behind it. It would be good to integrate BAZ into KamAZ so that their specialists also take part in the work.


    Typhoon Ural is the universal modular platform on the chassis of a serial car.
  23. Div Divich
    Div Divich April 15 2016 21: 30
    +1
    I also want to add that the tasks are different, one chassis can be used, but the cabs, modules, devices to hang are better optimized for each type of activity.

    For example, in an ambulance, you need to carry a team of honey to the personnel, it is unbearable to sit on a stretcher / couch in the honey module and it is life-threatening when hitting a mine. Need a two-row armored cabin plus a van.

    Repair crews also need a two-row cabin plus a cargo van.

    For fuel trucks and carriers of different cargoes, a single-row armored cabin is enough, since they do not have a crew of workers.

    For patrolling you need a one-volume armored van.