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Poland intends to replace all Soviet BMP with new armored vehicles

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The Polish government intends to spend about $ 21 billion (80 billion zlotys) to replace the BMP-1 and BMP-2 with new tracked armored vehicles, reports Look With reference to the deputy head of the Polish military department Bartosz Kovnatsky.


Poland intends to replace all Soviet BMP with new armored vehicles


“This major replacement is planned for the next 10 years and, according to various estimates, the cost of new vehicles will vary from 20 to 80 billion zlotys if we decide to purchase two types of infantry fighting vehicles: lighter and heavier”- said Kovnatsky.

He said that the government "is considering various partnerships for the project, in particular, joint purchases of infantry fighting vehicles with the neighboring Czech Republic are not excluded, as well as the use of a license for South Korean K9 self-propelled howitzers acquired by the Polish company Huta Stalowa Wola."

In Soviet times, the production of BMP-1 and BMP-2 was set up in Poland. To date, the Polish army has about a thousand of these machines.
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  1. Oleg Lavrov
    Oleg Lavrov 16 March 2016 18: 33
    +5
    Purchased in the Russian Federation !! laughing
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 16 March 2016 18: 34
      +44
      So the money was found. So bad suffer from sanctions. On the TV camera, only tears pour and apples choke.
      1. Vend
        Vend 16 March 2016 18: 36
        +19
        Poles are still driving a Soviet-designed BMP laughing Advanced europe laughing
        1. Armored optimist
          Armored optimist 16 March 2016 18: 41
          +39
          This, apparently, Germany, Merica and others. "The best members of the Nata", decided to replace theirs with newer ones. And their smaller brothers will throw off their old stuff.
          1. maxiban
            maxiban 16 March 2016 18: 46
            +5
            There is money - let them throw it away. The replacement is purely fashionable.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 16 March 2016 19: 01
              +16
              From the text of the article
              In Soviet times, the production of BMP-1 and BMP-2 was set up in Poland. To date, the Polish army has about a thousand of these machines.

              It seems that OWN production of BMPs in Poland in MARKET conditions has simply been "covered up" as such, i.e. it simply ceased to exist in Poland. Apparently, the Poles will only buy new equipment, but no longer produce it themselves.
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 16 March 2016 19: 24
                +7
                Quote: Tatiana
                It seems that OWN production of BMPs in Poland in MARKET conditions has simply been "covered up" as such, i.e. it simply ceased to exist in Poland. Apparently, the Poles will only buy new equipment, but no longer produce it themselves.

                The Poles have their own production of infantry fighting vehicles, the question is whether the owners from America will allow them to make them for their sun.
              2. bannik
                bannik 16 March 2016 19: 36
                +10
                So the production needs to be sharpened to the NATO standard, and who will allow them to get in with what snout in the Kalashny row? No, "competitor violinist", they don't need it.
              3. avt
                avt 16 March 2016 21: 23
                +8
                Quote: Tatiana
                It seems that OWN production of BMPs in Poland in MARKET conditions has simply been "covered up" as such, i.e. it simply ceased to exist in Poland.

                As well as the homeland of "Solidarity" - the Gdansk shipyard. Quietly died.
                1. FenH
                  FenH 16 March 2016 21: 48
                  +4
                  Quote: avt
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  It seems that OWN production of BMPs in Poland in MARKET conditions has simply been "covered up" as such, i.e. it simply ceased to exist in Poland.

                  As well as the homeland of "Solidarity" - the Gdansk shipyard. Quietly died.

                  Poles came, our vendors explained that it was a fee for joining the EU, cleared everything for German and French goods, everything was either completely covered or bought by the Germans
                2. Wheel
                  Wheel 17 March 2016 01: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: avt
                  As well as the homeland of "Solidarity" - the Gdansk shipyard. Quietly died.

                  One of the first, I must say ...
            2. sandrmur76
              sandrmur76 16 March 2016 19: 13
              +10
              The Polish government intends to spend about $ 21 billion.
              And for the money, they will continue to have friends from across the ocean. The purchased Polish government will sign a small contract for the share and all at the top with the money. For this amount, they themselves could start riveting. And the development of their defense industry and jobs, and money in the house would remain. request
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 16 March 2016 20: 32
                +8
                Quote: sandrmur76
                And for the money they will continue to have friends from overseas. The purchased government of Poland

                ... Poland ceased to exist as a state back in 1795 ... all subsequent incarnations are already just a "colony under protectorate" ... hi
          2. asadov
            asadov 16 March 2016 19: 38
            +2
            and for the money of the same Germans, amers.
          3. cap
            cap 16 March 2016 19: 51
            +6
            Quote: armored optimist
            This, apparently, Germany, Merica and others. "The best members of the Nata", decided to replace theirs with newer ones. And their smaller brothers will throw off their old stuff.


            And the Poles on friendship "khokhlam". The circle is closed, and they will write off half of the ATO, that is, they will sell to the left. laughing
          4. moskowit
            moskowit 16 March 2016 19: 57
            +4
            And Poles these BMP will present, in their own head, to Ukraine ...
          5. Drmadfisher
            Drmadfisher 17 March 2016 08: 40
            0
            no, not members - bodies
        2. Passer
          Passer 16 March 2016 18: 42
          +13
          And after the Polish infantry fighting vehicles emerge in / in Ukraine under the guise of Central European assistance. At the same time, Ukrainians partially compensate the Poles for the purchase of new armor.
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 16 March 2016 19: 16
            +7
            Betting - Old Bradley or Old Marders? I’m for German, the Hans have long been planning to change to something more modern.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 16 March 2016 20: 22
              +4
              Quote: Maksus
              I’m for German, the Hans have been planning for a long time change to something more modern.

              to the cougar?
              1. Maksus
                Maksus 16 March 2016 21: 43
                0
                Yeah. Just make money.
              2. gjv
                gjv 17 March 2016 04: 41
                0
                Quote: PSih2097
                to the cougar?

                to Puma, and to Thyssen-Henschel-495
          2. Altona
            Altona 16 March 2016 19: 16
            +3
            Quote: Passer
            And after the Polish infantry fighting vehicles emerge in / in Ukraine under the guise of Central European assistance. At the same time, Ukrainians partially compensate the Poles for the purchase of new armor.

            -----------------------
            Most likely it will be so, everything will go to the hot spots of the Middle East and Africa. There, this technique will always be in demand.
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 16 March 2016 21: 13
            +2
            Nafig is not necessary. Ukraine itself has a wagon and a small cart. The Poles could have a better condition, but also not a fact
        3. n.kolesnichenko
          n.kolesnichenko 16 March 2016 18: 45
          +9
          And what are we riding on? We have the bulk of the equipment too - Soviet! This speaks of the HIGH quality of the inheritance !!!
        4. MARK
          MARK 16 March 2016 18: 45
          0
          Previously, they themselves produced ... Now they will purchase! It is clear where the wind blows ... The contract is serious and it will be clear how to pay! hi Do not make the Russian bear angry psheki, my advice to you!
        5. kamski
          kamski 16 March 2016 19: 19
          +3
          By the way, like the Czechs and Poles in Soviet times they were made
        6. Observer2014
          Observer2014 16 March 2016 21: 37
          +4
          Poles take the "Bradley" !!!! (You can't buy the Russian one anyway) And the "Bradley" car is what you need! Well, judge: to the masters of Poland, from the vassals toady. The Poles will have something to brag about to their NATO neighbors. Well, what is the benefit to us? And the fact that this "Bradley" shed is hard not to get in! If that of course.
        7. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 17 March 2016 02: 53
          +5
          I am proud that Soviet technology is still on the move! This is what potential lies in it! hi
      2. von_Tilsit
        von_Tilsit 16 March 2016 23: 16
        0
        Under this business, they can take it from the owner. He will lend with joy. If only they would bark further east. Oh, one word - gentry ...
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 16 March 2016 18: 44
      +1
      Quote: Oleg Lavrov
      Purchased in the Russian Federation !! laughing

      Well, "bought", yeah! They gave everything to the brothers on the cheap, and technology too!
      Interestingly, what Poland produced by order of the USSR, did it "give" there for hard "currency" or "for beautiful eyes"?
      Although then there was CMEA and the settlements were in conventional units for sure.
      A BMP can return, just do not like!
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 March 2016 18: 51
      +12
      I told you the Poles sent to dill, and the Americans will give them a replacement.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 16 March 2016 19: 07
      +12
      The solution, apparently this. Polish infantry fighting vehicles are transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine (to replace those that have failed during the fighting in the east of Ukraine and are stolen and disassembled at the places of conservation); (the debt of Ukraine to Poland is being formed); then the already existing old NATO American infantry fighting vehicles are transferred from the balance of American formations in Eastern Europe to the balance of the Polish Army (Poland’s debt to the United States is being formed). And then the United States purchases and brings new infantry fighting vehicles for its units in Europe. (The military-industrial lobby in operation and during the broth) ... Will this help Poland to become richer and the Poles to live better?
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 16 March 2016 19: 17
        +2
        Let Thailand intercept an order from Ukraine before it is too late. They say cool bets. Seams with plasticine are smeared and painted over.
    5. FenH
      FenH 16 March 2016 20: 03
      +3
      Oleg read carefully-In Soviet times, the production of BMP-1 and BMP-2 was set up in Poland. To date, the Polish army has about a thousand of these machines.
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 16 March 2016 18: 34
    +3
    Where did the money come from, Zin) ?! Or the black-necked one from a white barn to fork out again?
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto 16 March 2016 18: 35
    +12
    21 billion dollars. - Poland!? ....... 21 billion?! ...... nnnu okay what

    Why not 38 billion? ...

    But what is there - 48! billions - for Poland - not a question!
    1. n.kolesnichenko
      n.kolesnichenko 16 March 2016 18: 46
      +3
      This is for 10 years! How much will it turn out in a year?
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 16 March 2016 21: 13
        +1
        Is there a concept of minimum profitability, is it enough to produce 2,1 billion a year, taking into account the re-equipment of production?
    2. Lieutenant Izhe
      Lieutenant Izhe 16 March 2016 18: 51
      +2
      That's me this ASTRONOMIC amount-21 billion$
      very puzzled ... belay
      What is allowed to the oil sheikh is not affordable for the Polish KRYSYANIN! crying
      Nothing is said FOR WHAT PERIOD $ 21 billion will be allocated for rearmament ...
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 16 March 2016 19: 06
        +9
        Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
        It is not said anywhere FOR WHICH PERIOD 21 billion $ will be allocated for rearmament ...


        According to the text of the article: "This major replacement is planned for the next 10 years."

        The Polish army was one of the first in the armies in the world to receive infantry fighting vehicles. These were the BMP-1 of Soviet, and then Czechoslovak, production. BMP-1, located in the Polish army, received the designation BWP-1 (Bojowy Woz Piechoty-1, direct translation of the BMP-1). In 2000, the ground forces of the Republic of Poland totaled more than 1400 infantry fighting vehicles, but about half of these vehicles had already exhausted their resources by the end of the 1990s. For 2004, there were already 1248 BMPs and 33 BRM-1s based on them.
        In connection with Poland's entry into NATO, the problem of adapting the armament of the Polish army to NATO standards arose.
        In the 1990s Poland has introduced a number of options for upgrading the BWP-1 to bring it closer to NATO standards. Foreign firms were also involved in the work. In particular, the BWP-1 with the Deco towers and the BWP-1M with the Sharpshooter tower were tested: both were armed with 25 mm cannons.

        BMP BWP-40 was developed with the participation of Swedish specialists. The car is the brainchild of the Polish company OBR "Huta Stalowa Wola" and the Swedish company "Bofors".
        It is not surprising that this BMP received the main armament and elements of the fire control system, similar to the Swedish CV-90. The BWP-1 hull was equipped with a two-man turret with a 40-mm automatic cannon Bofors L / 70B with a rate of fire of 300 rounds per minute and ammunition from box magazines with a capacity of 24 rounds each. A 7,62-mm machine gun is paired with the cannon, smoke grenade launchers are installed on the sides of the tower, and a double-barreled "Liran" system is mounted in the aft part of the tower for launching lighting rockets. The OMS includes the commander's and gunner's combined periscope sights, a thermal imaging sight, and an electronic ballistic computer. There is no weapon stabilizer. There is a thermal smoke equipment. http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php?/topic/256435-bwp-1-polish-variant-bmp-
        1/
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 16 March 2016 19: 38
          +3
          Quote: Cherdak
          BMP-1, located in the Polish army, received the designation BWP-1 (Bojowy woz Piechoty-1 ..)
          "Battle wagon"- this is strong! Why the word" machine "was not used, which is in Polish" maszyna "- is not clear. Battle charioteers, damn it, on iron chariots. laughing
    3. sisa29
      sisa29 16 March 2016 20: 36
      +4
      Or maybe there was a golden train?
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 March 2016 18: 36
    +1
    Very good. There is no need for the lyahams to ride our good armor. Let the tolerant buy. Wow, my heart senses, someone will "warm up their paws" on such an order - wild billions "like from a bush." Ukrainians will strangle themselves with envy.
  5. Kirill750
    Kirill750 16 March 2016 18: 36
    +1
    did not understand and what to change? on their own or they’ll sell or the South Koreans will help their own;
  6. PKK
    PKK 16 March 2016 18: 36
    -2
    Let them bargain with Putin, ask for T15, maybe get pity ....
    1. von_Tilsit
      von_Tilsit 16 March 2016 23: 23
      +2
      Nope, they won’t mourn. Unless the very one, the CARTON version will give a drive. Yes, and then for a while))
  7. 4ekist
    4ekist 16 March 2016 18: 37
    0
    And let them buy in Ukraine, and support their "friends" with a penny and acquire "unique" weapons.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 16 March 2016 18: 46
      0
      In during let from Ukrainians they will buy them very cheaply from a tractor to do what you want BMP with a brazier with a shower bed. They only import decommissioned tanks and tractors.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 16 March 2016 19: 05
        +9
        Over 20 yards of Ukrainians they will be given such a garbage container. Humanity will shudder from the gloomy hohlyatsky genius ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 March 2016 19: 57
          0
          At least this is not a makeshift assembly, but it will be a replacement for the M 113 armored personnel carrier, although the price is healthy - 5 million greens apiece.
        2. Igor39
          Igor39 16 March 2016 20: 23
          +3
          Weld with UONI 11 \ 55 electrodes withstand ballistic missile penetration laughing laughing laughing
        3. sisa29
          sisa29 16 March 2016 21: 33
          0
          That is, you think that for 20 Lard Poles only Ukrainians armed with trash. Do not write nonsense! For such money, all respected manufacturers from around the world will stand in line for them. And your humor unfortunately is not successful.
  8. Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 March 2016 18: 38
    +2
    Most likely they will write off the old trash from the USA or Germany.
    1. opus
      opus 16 March 2016 18: 59
      +8
      Quote: Dart2027
      Most likely they will write off the old trash from the USA or Germany.

      It is unlikely



      AMV XC-360P PATRIA / ROSOMAHA BRONETRANSPORTER (FINLAND / POLAND)


      2013. Poland and Finland signed an agreement on the licensed production of Finnish-made Patria AMV XC-360P armored personnel carriers.
      In service with Poland, these machines are under the designation Rosomak. Under the agreement, Poland will be able to independently produce armored personnel carriers and export them without any restrictions on the end user.
      On the Polish side, an agreement on the licensed production and export of Rosomak armored personnel carriers was signed by Wojskowe Zaklady Mechniczne (WZM), and with the Finnish one ─ Patria Land
      Until now, the Polish company could produce armored personnel carriers Patria AMV XC-360P only for its armed forces.
      Poland is currently negotiating the supply of Rosomak to Algeria and India, KSA, etc.
      In addition to WZM, machines were produced by Bumar and HSW. To date, the Polish armed forces have received 570 Rosomak armored personnel carriers. Another 117 of these machines should be delivered to the military before the end of 2013.

      If you want a harp, then BVP-M2 SKCZ Šakal ("Jackal"), the same are negotiating on licensed production


      or universal tracked platform UMPG

      This is first official vusialization of new Polish IFV based on lighter variant of universal modular tracked platform, this variant is amphibious, it have unmanned turret module armed with 7,62mm machine gun, 30mm automatic cannon and ATGM's launcher.


      1. avva2012
        avva2012 16 March 2016 19: 12
        0
        Not far off the Polish imperial attack aircraft and walking tanks. Everything is lost!
        Suggest learning Polish?
        1. opus
          opus 16 March 2016 19: 50
          +6
          Quote: avva2012
          Suggest learning Polish?

          ?
          Well, if you are going to apply for Polish citizenship, then yes.
          No? what for?
          Quote: avva2012
          Not far off the Polish imperial attack aircraft and walking tanks. Everything is lost!

          1. The Polish industry is not miserable.


          / these times are long gone /
          2003 contract for the supply of 48 RT-91 tanks (an improved version of the Polish T-72) with Malaysia.

          Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa SA - PGZ SA and money is also hands

          According to the contract, 128 Leopard 2A4 tanks purchased from Germany in 2002 and 14 tanks of the new 2A5 version purchased in 2013 will undergo modernization.
          Rheinmetall provides technical support and comprehensive technical support.
          2. Poland has money
          Inflation is 1,5-0,9%, GDP growth is 1,6% - 4,3%.
          RATE R / f National Bank of Poland .... 2,5% (we didn’t have this, and we don’t even dream of it already)

          3. Industry is not Honduras, China is the factory of the World, Poland wants to become a factory and a collective farm of Europe
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 16 March 2016 20: 19
            0
            That is, all military equipment is received from someone.
            1. opus
              opus 16 March 2016 20: 57
              +2
              Quote: Dart2027
              That is, all military equipment is received from someone.

              not understood?
              After WW2, Japan began with the repair of American equipment, after greetings from Korea, and now almost all of them are on license.
              What Japan does not have a military industry? and industry in general? (What kind of scandal then in the 80s did CNC machines for the production of propellers for the USSR Navy)?
              They have where to build MBT and armored personnel carriers "Bumar-Labendy", "Huta steel will" and "Put the troops mechanically" (VZM).

              Are you aware of Poland’s shipbuilding? Do you know how much and what has been delivered to the USSR?
              It doesn’t mean that in the USSR
              Quote: Dart2027
              The technique is received from someone.

              Gdynia, Szczecin and Gdansk - at present, only Gdansk is fully operational. The reason is the decision of the European Commission, which recognized illegal state support provided by Gdynia and Szczecin (5th largest shipyard in Europe)
              Speaking of Gdansk Shipyard
              thanks to this "pan" (or ram)

              There is a CE:


              at the beginning of 2008, the ISD Poland company, part of the Industrial Union of Donbass group of Taruta, Hajduka, became its majority owner (75%) and Mkrtchyan (Ukraine). ( wink !) And the second owner (25%) is ( belay belay ) - US Department of the Industrial Development Agency.
              The lack of shipbuilding orders encouraged new owners to develop the production of steel structures: bridges, cranes, elements of large tanks, etc., as well as supports for wind farms.

              The electrician lured his shipbuilders in the 80s into a good future: most of them were fired, the rest were lucky to be sold to Ukrainian, let's say, crystal-clear businessmen, who are being watched by an American aunt.Spawn to build ships with the soul, and sculpt tanks, and pillars for windmills.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 16 March 2016 21: 43
                -1
                Quote: opus
                not understood?

                It entirely depends on what they say, and what kind of equipment will be delivered depends only on the instructions from above, and not on what they may or may not produce. Simply put, they will order to buy trash and buy trash.
                1. opus
                  opus 16 March 2016 22: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Simply put, they will order to buy trash and buy trash

                  Japan?
                  no!

                  Poland?
                  no!
                  You do not know the Poles well. They will order to water Dr. Russia, but they will do it with pleasure (well, in their blood, what to take from the "mind-damaged")
                  But here
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  will be ordered to buy trash
                  -Send. Exactly.
                  They got into a row with the USSR, and even more so.
                  Yes, and there is no point: the NATO countries themselves have not had enough trash since 2014 (why not?


                  Quote: Dart2027
                  not because they may or may not produce

                  they can produce a lot. Technologies for them in "open access": NATO, EEC
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 17 March 2016 08: 10
                    0
                    Quote: opus
                    They got angry with the USSR, and here, even more so

                    With the USSR and Yugoslavia could have been controversial. But now they are in a society of democratic and civilized states.
                    Quote: opus
                    they can produce a lot

                    I don’t say anything about this, it’s simply not in the subject.
                    1. opus
                      opus 17 March 2016 21: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      With the USSR and Yugoslavia could have been controversial.

                      1. Yugoslavia was not formally in CMEA (since 1961, solving some issues together with CMEA participated Yugoslavia. )
                      2. Disagreements between the leader of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia Josip Broz Tito and Stalin led to the severance of relations between Yugoslavia and the USSR (1948).
                      3. R®РіРѕСЃР »Р ° РІРёСЏ did not become a member of the Warsaw Pact Organization,

                      on the contrary, to counterbalance both it and NATO created the Non-Aligned Movement, which included mainly decolonized developing countries.

                      PM comparison with Yugoslavia is not correct.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I don’t say anything about this, it’s simply not in the subject.

                      for 2009 (!)


                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 17 March 2016 22: 31
                        0
                        Quote: opus
                        1.
                        2.
                        3.

                        This is what I mean. The "totalitarian and inhuman" USSR endured all this.
                      2. opus
                        opus 18 March 2016 10: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This is what I mean.

                        And I'm talking about a completely different one.
                        Yugoslavia was independent of the USSR, therefore
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        With the USSR and Yugoslavia could have been controversial.

                        Well, remember the film "love, love, but do not lose your head" (or something like that, Yugoslavian, 80s beginning.
                        Dad worked in Germany, sort of.
                        Can you imagine this in the USSR?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        "Totalitarian and inhuman" USSR

                        Well, don’t. This has nothing to do with it.
                        I turned 16 in 1982 or 1983 (I don’t remember wink ).
                        But I lived under the "totalitarian and inhuman", studied, worked, and gave an oath to him
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 17 March 2016 04: 19
          -2
          Quote: opus Polish industry is not miserable.

          Yes, who argues, mega-power!
          And they have ambitions, where are the same British and Americans.

          RATE R / f National Bank of Poland .... 2,5% (we didn’t have this, and we don’t dream already)

          Poor we, where do we "make a fairy tale come true."
          I, one thing I can’t understand, but how can one compare the PR with the Russian Federation? Does self-humiliation leapfrog?
          Themselves below in the comments write about: "... at the moment, only Gdansk is fully functioning. The reason is the decision of the European Commission, which recognized illegal state support provided by Gdynia and Szczecin ..".
          Yes, to hell with her, with the rate of nat. Bank, a country under external management. We need it, such happiness? There are people with disabilities, and here, a country with disabilities.
          1. opus
            opus 17 March 2016 14: 43
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            mega power!

            megadezhava is one thing, and "not wretched" is another.
            No need to jerk. Empty chatter
            Quote: avva2012
            I, one thing I can’t understand, but how can one compare the PR with the Russian Federation?

            specific.
            To residents or to the area of ​​the territory (this is generally ah)
            Just like duriks shout about the railway of the Russian Federation (RZD)
            we are the "coolest" in terms of length
            go to the specific parameter ....
            59 e if not forgotten (Egypt below us)
            Questions?
            Quote: avva2012
            Does self-humiliation leapfrog?

            I’m not sick, only that I checked, extending the permit for weapons- mental disorders, ODA, physical parameters, no, there are no restrictions, I will own / shoot for 5 years

            Quote: avva2012
            Below in the comments

            when it was the 5th in Europe, now it will go dead, but it will not die.
            Once we were 2nd in the world, we nearly died, we did not die, we object.
            This is what
            Quote: avva2012
            Yes, to hell with her, with the rate of nat. bank,

            tell the "star" it, they will explain it to you
            Quote: avva2012
            We need it, such happiness?

            $ 1 billion at 3,5 (2,5 + 1 margin)% or at 18 (11+ 7 margin)%.
            All this in the cost of production, all this in the budget (ГПВ -2020), all this taxes, etc.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 16 March 2016 18: 40
    0
    two types of infantry fighting vehicles: lighter and heavier

    "Finance sing romances" (c). Money is not enough for the full re-equipment of all divisions with BMPs with more modern highly protected vehicles ...

    Sorry. Maybe it was just worth upgrading part of the Soviet infantry fighting vehicles?

    1. sisa29
      sisa29 16 March 2016 20: 30
      +2
      Buy equipment for 21 green lard You think there is no money.
      Let’s calculate the cost of Almaty. They promise to reduce 500 million rubles to (250) with mass issues. Armata costs 6,8 million dollars (3,4) at the rate of 73 rubles for 1 dollar
      21 billion is divided by 6,8 million; 3088 Armats are obtained (or 6000 at mass production prices)
      that is, a country ready to allocate funds for the purchase of 3000-6000 tanks of the level of Almaty, do you blame the lack of funds for modern vehicles?
      Is your proposal to modernize 1000 Soviet infantry fighting vehicles still relevant?
  • staryivoin
    staryivoin 16 March 2016 18: 42
    -1
    Apparently Duda "puffed up" somewhere zlotys. Well, as they say, a tailwind with your zloty ... blow again ...
  • Kupez4
    Kupez4 16 March 2016 18: 44
    +2
    And what do they want to show and prove? From this we will become afraid of them? Clowns. As Bismarck said, “you have to be friends with the Russians,” fighting with us is useless and very painful.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 March 2016 18: 47
      +2
      Well, they already got their APCs. Why do you think that BMP will not do?
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 16 March 2016 18: 47
    +3
    Ie the United States bought them for Ukraine? So you need to understand this? Lucky Poles will get rid of old equipment.
  • tol100v
    tol100v 16 March 2016 18: 47
    0
    The psheks were instructed to replace! They accepted for execution. And under this they will open a credit line! The scenario of dressing financial bondage is old and reliable! In the end: get trash and sign!
  • Lanista
    Lanista 16 March 2016 18: 47
    0
    And the entire old fleet (that is, BMP-1 and -2 that have exhausted their service life will be sold to Ukraine at the price of Leclercs. The Ukrainians will declare this deal a peremogo and will be proud of the purchase of “real combat vehicles from Europe itself”
  • ded100
    ded100 16 March 2016 18: 48
    -1
    Brains themselves would be better replaced !! laughing
  • Const
    Const 16 March 2016 18: 59
    -1
    I wish to buy second-hand NATO units. We can burn them well.
    1. von_Tilsit
      von_Tilsit 16 March 2016 23: 53
      +1
      When did you personally burn the last? Zhgun hellish, damn it ...
  • avva2012
    avva2012 16 March 2016 19: 00
    -2
    They are also struggling with the Soviet past. Here in Ukraine it turns out cheaper. Monuments demolished. So, they have only two years of democracy. And Poland has been swimming for a long time, it’s time for them to swing at Shakespeare, quite grown ups have become. Well, X with them.
  • vit
    vit 16 March 2016 19: 01
    +1
    21bn bucks per 1000 BMP is 21m per unit of equipment. If I am not mistaken, the most expensive tank is a leopard for 10,5 million (the price of the armata is about 4 million). BMP from gold will immediately do ??? recourse
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 March 2016 20: 00
      -1
      It turns out that they buy 1500 BMPs.
    2. sisa29
      sisa29 16 March 2016 20: 47
      -1
      Read the article carefully. Why did you decide that 1000 BMPs of the times of the USSR will be replaced with exactly 1000 new ones. Why not 5000 or 10. Without thinking, you immediately made a diagnosis of gold, although you are wrong.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 16 March 2016 22: 10
        -1
        Quote: sisa29
        Read the article carefully. Why did you decide that 1000 BMPs of the times of the USSR will be replaced with exactly 1000 new ones. Why not 5000 or 10.

        So the fact of the matter is that they are silent about how much to buy and what will be, and the terms are called at 10 years ...
        So questions arise)))))
      2. von_Tilsit
        von_Tilsit 16 March 2016 23: 57
        0
        Yes, on which panam 10000 bmp ?? Yes, at least 5000? May the Pshecko Army not accommodate them. Yeah - will each BMP get a zipper? This is just a standard stuffing aimed at maintaining drilling. You know what. Here.
    3. Jatviag
      Jatviag 17 March 2016 00: 05
      0
      This is a missprint . One has only to calculate the rate of the zloty to the dollar.
  • vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 16 March 2016 19: 04
    0
    One hundred pounds of Khokhlov under the guise will pass.
  • qwert111
    qwert111 16 March 2016 19: 07
    +5
    Against the background of the replacement of the BPM, they with great "success" purge the generals with Soviet education and the past, which causes great discontent in the latter. In Poland, almost a quarter of the main command - five generals - is being dismissed, and all because of a statement made earlier by Defense Minister Anthony Macherewicz.
    In particular, he said that the military, who began his career back in the USSR, have no chance to continue serving in the armed forces of the country.
    According to the press, in the ranks of the military command began bureaucratic harassment of officers who studied in the USSR or entered the service before 1989.
    They were hinted to these people that they can hardly count on continuing their careers or on a decent retirement pension.

    Keep up the good work gentlemen Poles and maybe the old infantry fighting vehicles will still serve as the old military !!!
  • Hooks
    Hooks 16 March 2016 19: 19
    0
    Usually it’s not Poland, but in Poland the BMPs are changed: either the Sd Kfz 251/9 or the BMP-1 will be put into service. Such is the strategy.
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 16 March 2016 19: 27
    +4
    I would take a closer look at the cv 90 in their place, a pretty machine, and if it’s also modernized, then it’s a fire machine. The fact that the Poles were going to change this stuff is correct, the BMP-1 is already incapable of anything and the shooter stepped forward, this aluminum box will also be bursting from the machine, it would be nice for us to fuss, otherwise my friend served in 2015, he says that BMP-2s were like smart cars, and the bulk of the penny is very bad.
    1. corporal
      corporal 16 March 2016 20: 26
      0
      Quote: cth; fyn
      I would take a closer look at cv 90,

      The car is good, it can be produced in 5-6 variants (BMP, armored personnel carrier, light tank, AMOS mortar, KShM, BREM).
      ..... well, their fuck-it will be fat to them am
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 17 March 2016 05: 50
        +1
        Exactly, this is an average unified platform, especially since there will be no problems with spare parts, because common machine. Some advantages, it would be good in connection with such news to strengthen the anti-tank missile defense with good anti-tank weapons, otherwise the neighbors are updating the parks, and we are only reorganizing divisions into tank armies without creating new units.
    2. Jatviag
      Jatviag 17 March 2016 00: 03
      0
      They currently have several options in this matter. The first is to take the CV-90 as a basis, naturally with its nuances. The second is to create a car in conjunction with the BAE Sistems concern. The third is to rely on your own experience with the introduction of foreign experience.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 16 March 2016 19: 30
    -1
    Let us congratulate the Poles on their initiative - with an obvious add-on in the form of pseudo-billionaires who sawed 80 billion zł.
  • Friends
    Friends 16 March 2016 19: 35
    +1
    In Soviet times, the production of BMP-1 and BMP-2 was set up in Poland. To date, the Polish army has about a thousand of these machines.


    The navel will not cut, more than 1000 BMP change? As I understand it, even for the more affluent part of Europe, today it is a bit much, to put it mildly ... And Poland clearly does not belong to this part.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 16 March 2016 20: 08
      0
      Moreover, they bought 300 leopards, it will be hard for them.
  • wow
    wow 16 March 2016 19: 43
    +1
    A flag in their hands, a pen in w ... y!
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 March 2016 19: 46
    +6
    What's the problem? A lot of malicious comments - I don’t understand the reasons.
    Can the Poles force 80 billion zlotys for 10 years into armored vehicles? In principle - at the limit of their forces, they had 2015 billion zlotys allocated for the purchase of new equipment for the 13,2 year in the military budget (this is less than 2,5% of GDP with the military budget). And if you don’t go for the maximum figure, all the more so since the cost is floating from 20 to 80 billion zlotys, and if we take, say, the 40 figure, then 4 billion for BTTs per year is more than realistic.
    Yes, and the Polish BMP-1 and 2 most likely, if they weren’t even wiped out, are still not in the best technical condition, I suppose, if they are combat-ready now, then it’s quite limited. They already have an age ... of that, and wait a full replacement for another 10 years, which is also age. And whatever one may say, the BMP-2 is not the last word in armored vehicles for a long time.
    So the Poles are well done. And if they can somehow localize the production at home, at least partially, then in general I applaud them.
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 16 March 2016 20: 00
      +2
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      And if they can somehow localize production at home

      Who will give them ?? This is money and technology.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 March 2016 20: 05
        +1
        Now everything is bought and the guys have help in such matters.
    2. jet 43
      jet 43 16 March 2016 22: 28
      -1
      Yes, and in the howl they will survive and T72 T 55
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 March 2016 00: 18
        0
        Modern anti-tank missiles will turn all this into scrap metal.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 17 March 2016 06: 14
          +1
          Missiles are not enough, free tanks are cheaper than missiles. Although it is a pity for people, after all, as some Chinese said, the best fight, the one that never took place (and the goals were achieved and the people were safe, reminded the story of how the Red Army soldiers "improved" the road with slag from metal production for the German invaders)
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 16 March 2016 19: 58
    0
    with airplanes the same garbage. did it yourself. now they are buying. there was only a repair left.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 March 2016 20: 07
      +2
      Given their defense budget, I won’t be surprised if Poland starts buying F 35.
  • Friends
    Friends 16 March 2016 19: 59
    +2
    He said that the government “is considering various partnerships on the project, in particular, joint purchases of infantry fighting vehicles with neighboring Czech Republic are possible


    Eureka! And, apparently, they will ride in turn ... Have you already made a schedule? So that the brave members of NATO, for an hour, do not fight ...
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam 16 March 2016 21: 19
    +1
    No need to ironic BMP1 and BMP 2 (without modernization) are morally and physically outdated, and NATO has other standards and approaches. Anyway, it's time to change them. And Lyakhs will choose not to be sure the worst model, at the level of the best world standards. And so it would be better to buy a model of Ukrainian production, cheaply and angrily.
    1. Jatviag
      Jatviag 16 March 2016 23: 55
      0
      They have such plans. Purchases are planned after 2022.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 16 March 2016 21: 42
    +1
    I don’t understand why, although if cut, it’s clear.
  • WU 37
    WU 37 16 March 2016 22: 09
    0
    Well, that’s the whole policy of the Americans. Under the tantrum of the Russian threat to force them to buy their equipment. Spending the zloty Poles they can’t do it any better, they won’t become richer. The Americans, on the other hand, are above all the gain!
  • Moon Cat
    Moon Cat 16 March 2016 22: 15
    0
    Moloriki gentry .... at 2oo lyamov eternally green per year only for BMP it’s almost a regimental set of 10 brigades for 5 years ... are preparing how to speed up who knows the pace of our transition to new BMP gentlemen officers ??
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 16 March 2016 22: 16
    0
    production of BMP-1 and BMP-2 was launched in Poland
    It’s interesting, what prevents to improve and let out by ourselves, it is not necessary to purchase everything abroad. It looks like there are big brain problems in the EU, they don’t want to think at all! fool
    1. FenH
      FenH 16 March 2016 22: 22
      0
      Quote: afrikanez
      production of BMP-1 and BMP-2 was launched in Poland
      It’s interesting, what prevents to improve and let out by ourselves, it is not necessary to purchase everything abroad. It looks like there are big brain problems in the EU, they don’t want to think at all! fool

      Who will give them, NATO is not CMEA, competitors are crushed hi
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 16 March 2016 22: 17
    0
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Will this help Poland to become richer and the Poles to live better?

    But what about not only the Poles - there the whole "chain will have" Well, ordinary Poles (and not only) will be told about the need for rearmament in connection with Russia's aggression angry
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 16 March 2016 22: 34
    0
    Strange humor, however. Something from the area "In spite of my mother, I will frostbite ears." Not even a single tracked vehicle has reached the level of even BMP - 1 yet. Neither NATO nor China. Apparently in Poland, finally, they got rid of the officers trained in the USSR, i.e. who have not lost their sense of reality. I repeat - the flag is in the hands of the new Bur-Komarovsky!
  • Moon Cat
    Moon Cat 16 March 2016 22: 45
    +2
    Quote: beer-youk
    Strange humor, however. Something from the area "In spite of my mother, I will frostbite ears." Not even a single tracked vehicle has reached the level of even BMP - 1 yet. Neither NATO nor China. Apparently in Poland, finally, they got rid of the officers trained in the USSR, i.e. who have not lost their sense of reality. I repeat - the flag is in the hands of the new Bur-Komarovsky!

    Excuse me. Dear, are you serious now or from feelings ...))
  • Jatviag
    Jatviag 16 March 2016 23: 52
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    From the text of the article
    In Soviet times, the production of BMP-1 and BMP-2 was set up in Poland. To date, the Polish army has about a thousand of these machines.

    It seems that OWN production of BMPs in Poland in MARKET conditions has simply been "covered up" as such, i.e. it simply ceased to exist in Poland. Apparently, the Poles will only buy new equipment, but no longer produce it themselves.


    No, you do not know .... They will produce them at home, in their factories.
  • iouris
    iouris 17 March 2016 00: 03
    0
    Military equipment must have export potential, otherwise it makes little sense to produce. The competition is high. Actually warring and proven units are better sold. Therefore, Poland is going to fight with someone. Oh well. Let them produce it. The result will be visible at the end of the tunnel.
  • SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 17 March 2016 05: 12
    0
    "The Polish government intends to spend about $ 21 billion (80 billion zlotys)"

    Saw, Shura, saw! laughing
  • Wolka
    Wolka 17 March 2016 05: 25
    0
    but it’s not surprising, NATO is another huge trading platform from the Yankees, who earn from the sale of weapons to their colleagues in the bloc and everything is dignified, noble under the pretext of military assistance and within the framework of a single standard
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 17 March 2016 05: 27
    0
    In the beginning, it is necessary to replace the kooky Minister of Defense of Poland! His last
    statements in the media, diagnosed with schizophrenic delirium!
  • 1536
    1536 17 March 2016 05: 37
    0
    Most likely, Brzezinski will give money to the Poles. But only in ten years there are hardly any Poles to service and start at least one BMP.
  • Pitot
    Pitot 17 March 2016 07: 24
    +1
    The less Soviet opponents have Soviet technology, the easier it will be for us to beat them - you will be sure that shooting for destruction will not be in our own way. Flag to pshekam in hands;
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 March 2016 08: 17
    0
    And they have nowhere to go, ours will not give them supernovae for their attitude to Russia, so everything is right. Well, given the cost of Western samples compared to ours, let them buy. Then there will be no reason to accuse us of anything else, like with an airplane.
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw 17 March 2016 12: 25
    0
    Re-equipment of such neighbors is always bad
  • pts-m
    pts-m 17 March 2016 13: 41
    0
    A pzhekam not zapadlo ride on the Soviet Union ova technology? shame on (d) locks!
  • kumaxa
    kumaxa 18 March 2016 10: 16
    0
    here are naive citizens! Otkendova at Lyakhov’s grandmother ??? correctly! black sam fit! they’ll buy some Poles, some kind of despicable labyatina, which will be indicated by a black Sam; Well, a little Lyakhovskaya army elite will fall that would not whine about bespontovshchina. well! they don’t consider the Yankee and Nata of the former Warsaw as real allied warriors. so meat for Russian tanks and then not for long. jump those little ones will change the polarity vector. wassat