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Project 613 - submarine with the simplicity and reliability of the rifle- "three-line"

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Project 613 - submarine with the simplicity and reliability of the rifle- "three-line"



March 13, 1950 laid the lead submarine of project 613: the most massive Russian submarine fleet


The experience of the Great Patriotic War clearly showed the enormous role of submarines in combat operations on the seas and in the oceans. The Soviet Union entered the war with a total of 218 submarines in the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Fleet - almost half the size of Germany’s submarine forces in the 1943 year, during its heyday: 432 boats. A new outbreak soon after the Victory, this time the “cold” war demanded a sharp increase in the number of submarines also because they constituted a significant part of the shock forces of Russia’s main geopolitical opponent, the United States.

But our country, exhausted and exsanguinated by the hardest war, could quickly pump up “underwater muscles” in one way: taking an example from a defeated enemy. It was no secret to anyone that in the best years the German shipbuilding industry launched submarines for almost one in two days. It means that it was possible and necessary to take advantage of this experience and set up our own production of submarines by the flow method. This meant, among other things, the need to carefully study - and possibly modify to fit your needs - and the design of the German submarines.

Most likely, it was these considerations that led the command of the Navy when, at the end of 1944, it ordered to suspend work on the new project of the Soviet middle submarine, which had the 608 cipher, and analyze the captured boats of series VII and XXI. It took a year and a half: only in January of the 1946-th, the Main Committee of the Soviet Navy approved a new technical project for the development of the boat - so the 613 project was born. Two years later, 15 in August 1948, the technical design of the new submarine was approved by the government, and 13 in March 1950 of the year at the Krasnoye Sormovo plant in Gorky laid the first diesel-electric submarine of the 613 project - C-80 (order 801). Seven months later, 21 of October, three quarters of the finished boat was launched and set to the extension wall, and on November 1 the C-80 came to Baku, where after upgrading from December 31 of the year 1950 on April 26 of the year, the test was held . Finally, on July 1951, the boat made a control deep-sea dive, and on December 9, the state commission signed the acceptance certificate. By this time, at the Chernomorsky shipbuilding plant in Nikolaev, they had already finished building one more submarine of the 2 project - C-613. It was laid on 61 on April 11, launched on July 1950, put on 22 on January 12, then was transferred to Sevastopol and 1951 on May 24.

All in all history 613 project for seven years - from 1950 to 1957 year - was built 215 submarines. This made the submarines of this series the most massive in the Soviet fleet in the history of its existence. However, there could be more boats: according to the original plan, they were going to build as many 340 units! But during the time when the first hundred boats were being built, new, more modern projects appeared, which were quickly brought to mass production, and as a result, the 613 project was limited to two hundred small boats. 116 of them built the Gorky plant "Red Sormovo", 72 - plant in Nikolaev, 16 - Baltic plant named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze in Leningrad and 11 - Plant named after Lenin Komsomol in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

In fact, during the years of the most active construction of 613 submarines, the Soviet fleet received one new submarine of this type every five days! And it was possible to achieve such unprecedented production rates due to substantial rationalization and technologization of the construction of boats. For the first time in the domestic practice in the construction of submarines, the flow-sectional method of construction, automatic welding and radiographic inspection of welds were widely used. In addition, the construction speed was also affected by the fact that the developers of the 613 project, together with the production workers, achieved maximum unification of parts of products and materials, applied aggregability (i.e., geometric and functional interchangeability of individual elements and components) to the assembly of mechanisms and devices and managed to practically get rid of traditional at the time of manual fitting of elements during installation.


Modifications of the submarines of the project 613. Photo: www.deepstorm.ru


Is it any wonder after this that in the shortest possible time the Soviet fleet not only managed to build up “underwater muscles”, but also got a boat at its disposal, which enjoyed good fame among submariners. Suffice it to say that only two of the 215 submarines were lost - the rarest result for any fleet of the world!

What was the "six hundred and thirteenth"? These were simple, one might even say, somewhat primitive submarines of the classical double-hulled construction, which had three shelter compartments, ten tanks of the main ballast, two diesel engines with an 2000 hp power. each and two electric motors 1350 hp The diesel engines accelerated the boat up to the speed of 18,5 knots and allowed it to pass in surface position up to 8500 miles. Under the electric motors of the boat project 613 could go submerged with a maximum speed 13,1 node, and the range of the battery was 352 miles. All boats were armed with six torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm - four bow and two fodder. By the way, the torpedoes with which the "six hundred and thirteenth" armed themselves could have had nuclear warheads. In addition, the first series of boats had artillery armament: the obligatory 25-mm twin 2М-8 anti-aircraft machine gun in the front fencing of the wheelhouse, and some of them also the universal paired SM-24-mm plant of the caliber 57 mm, which was located behind the wheelhouse. But gradually they abandoned the guns and artillery machines, which made it possible to reduce the crew from 53 to 52 people (including 10 officers), and, most importantly, increase the underwater speed at the expense of better streamlining of the hull.

Soviet submariners of the 613 submariner earned genuine respect not only for their reliability and ease of handling and control, but also for their unpretentiousness. These submarines were not the best in the world, and were not even the best in Russia, but they allowed the submarine fleet to be quickly restored and done so without making inhuman efforts and not diverting human resources to overly complex training of personnel. In this sense, the “six hundred and thirteenth” was very similar to the Mosin rifle “trilinear”: although it was not the best in the world, but it best matched the requirements and capabilities of the Russian army, due to which it lasted almost a century in service.

The same fate was prepared for the submarines of the 613 project. They were in service until the 1990 year, and the last of them were scrapped in the 1991 year. For example, from the 54 submarines of the 613 project, which were part of the 14 division of the submarines of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR, in 1990, 18 submarines remained in service, most of which were built in 1954-56. By the way, the 613 submarines of the 14 division were the very submarines for which Balaclava (where the division headquarters and two brigades of its staff were located) built the famous “825 object” - an underground base with a passageway designed to shelter boats. in the event of a nuclear strike, and also included an arsenal of atomic weapons and a protected division command center with a special communications hub.

And it was the “six hundred and thirteenth” that became the first Russian submarines to enter the international market. In 1954, working drawings and technical documentation for the 613 project submarines were transferred to China, for which the first three boats of the Chinese series were built in the Soviet Union, then transported to the Chinese shipyard in Shanghai and already launched there. In addition, 12 submarines of the 613 project were transferred to Indonesia, 10 to Egypt, four went under the flag of Albania, served as much in the Navy of the DPRK and Poland, three in Syria, two in Bulgaria, and one in Cuba. In NATO, these most famous Soviet submarines deserved the codename "Whiskey" - which, oddly enough, also emphasized their mass character and prevalence. Yes, and the head of the Western sailors, unexpectedly confronted with the massive presence of Russian submarines in the oceans, sore from these meetings just as good ...
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  1. Nehist
    Nehist 20 March 2016 06: 23
    +21
    As far as I remember, the basis of this boat lay the constructive solutions of German boats of projects XXI and XXIII. Solid boats participating in the Caribbean crisis. In Ulysses, there were a lot of them before.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 20 March 2016 06: 46
      +7
      And your memory does not fail you, although for many years this fact has been hushed up. And what was recognized, for example, the same snorkel, was presented as solutions that were not quite effective, but which Soviet boats did not even think of giving up
      1. Generalissimo
        Generalissimo 20 March 2016 06: 52
        0
        But now it is too much exaggerated ... 611pr "these Russians" from what copied?
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        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 March 2016 07: 05
          +3
          Quote: Generalissimo
          611pr "these Russians" copied from?

          In the design of the submarine, a significant influence of German class XXI submarines is noticeable, and some mechanisms were unified with the project 613 being built at the same time. A novelty for Soviet submarine shipbuilding was the use of external frames of a robust hull, which allowed to improve the internal layout of equipment and mechanisms.
          1. dauria
            dauria 20 March 2016 12: 02
            +7
            Significantly significant influence of German class XXI submarines


            So what. The German was tested and copied by ideas all-Americans, British, ours. Even the French were given the division of the fleet.
            In the 21st type, there are not so many new products in the design (in fact, this is a classic diesel engine), but in the production technology invented by the Germans. They went on to assemble the finished sections. Shipyards (3 pieces) riveted boats from compartments already stuffed with equipment. And from different suppliers. And these are the requirements of precision engineering.
            So we went to December 44th at the rate of "1 boat in 1 day"
      2. svp67
        svp67 20 March 2016 07: 28
        +4
        Quote: gregor6549
        And what was recognized, for example, the same snorkel, was presented as solutions that were not quite effective, but which Soviet boats did not even think of giving up

        The need for such a device was obvious from the very moment the submarine appeared. And as a result, already during the RUSSIAN-JAPANESE war, TWO RUSSIAN submarines "Keta" and "Skat" used similar devices ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 20 March 2016 08: 09
          +8
          Quote: svp67

          The need for such a device was obvious from the very moment the submarine appeared. And as a result, already during the RUSSIAN-JAPANESE war, TWO RUSSIAN submarines "Keta" and "Skat" used similar devices ...

          A similar device was on the submarine Akula. At least the first time I read in the TM magazine about the mystery of the death of the submarine "Akula" and the creator of the RDP N. Gudime. And this is a link to the VO dedicated to the submarine "Akula". About RDP see comments.
          http://topwar.ru/21196-podvodnaya-lodka-akula.html
        2. Alf
          Alf 20 March 2016 21: 09
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          The need for such a device was evident from the very moment the submarine appeared.

          When praising the snorkel, they constantly forget about its fundamental shortcomings.
          1. When the snorkel is working, the acoustics hear nothing.
          2. In case of strong excitement, water may enter the diesel intake. Then water hammer and all.
          3. When the snorkel is operating, fuel consumption increases, and the speed increases slightly.
          The air intake head protruding from the water is detected by a centimeter range radar.
          1. derik1970
            derik1970 21 March 2016 08: 11
            0
            1.Acoustic does not hear because the diesel is working, the snorkel is necessary for the diesel to operate, which it created when the boat is submerged. Snorkel is a breathing tube.
            Snorkel (German: Schnorchel - breathing tube), snorkel, device for operating the engine under water (RDP), device for compressors (UDC) - a device on a submarine for intake of air necessary for the operation of the internal combustion engine under water, as well as for replenishing stocks of high pressure air and ventilation compartments.
            Every device has its drawbacks !!! hi
            1. AK64
              AK64 21 March 2016 19: 19
              +1
              The speaker does not hear because the diesel is working, the snorkel is necessary for the diesel to operate, which it created when the boat is submerged. Snorkel is a breathing tube.
              Snorkel (German: Schnorchel - breathing tube), snorkel, device for operating the engine under water (RDP), device for compressors (UDC) - a device on a submarine for intake of air necessary for the operation of the internal combustion engine under water, as well as for replenishing stocks of high pressure air and ventilation compartments.
              Every device has its drawbacks !!!


              Alf rightly told you - yes, you did not understand.

              What is the benefit of snorkel in comparison with, say, movement in the surface position? When driving under the snorkel, the boat is blind and deaf, while the snorkel itself is visible in the centimeter range. Further, driving under a snorkel on a diesel engine is dangerous - and Alf explained why. (And therefore, the Germans did not initially use it for diesel - only for ventilation and replenishment of air.)

              Snorkel has only one advantage - when the enemy has radar already there is, but a small snorhel to detect this radar more can not. If the enemy does not have radar, then it is better to use the surface speed. If the enemy has good radars that can detect the snorkel, then again it is better not to use it: they will detect it, but you won’t recognize it!
              1. Alf
                Alf 21 March 2016 20: 17
                0
                Quote: AK64
                Alf rightly told you -

                Thank you!
      3. go21zd45few
        go21zd45few 20 March 2016 11: 13
        +7
        Thanks to the author, I saw the picture and remembered youth. In 60 years of the last century
        the best years of my youth were devoted to serving in the Northern Fleet at 613 project port of home port of Linahamari. A very reliable submarine if it has a trained crew.
        Project 613 is a coastal boat, and despite this we went below the prime meridian. So, for its time, the boat met the requirements.
        1. Tihas
          Tihas 20 March 2016 21: 47
          0
          My father in the Pacific served in the late 60s.
          And I’m in Pechenga. Engineer-engineer.
      4. python2a
        python2a 20 March 2016 13: 33
        -2
        Snorkels were abandoned because of their excessive danger and unreliable work.
      5. AK64
        AK64 20 March 2016 15: 39
        -1
        And what was recognized, for example, the same snorkel, was presented as solutions that were not quite effective,


        Here are just a snorkel Germans themselves copied from the Dutch
      6. Warrior Hamilton
        Warrior Hamilton 20 March 2016 23: 11
        +2
        The first snorkel was invented by Nikolai Gudim, the commander of the Russian submarine Skat, and Boris Salyar, the head of the Ksenia floating workshop. The device was made in the workshop of "Ksenia", installed on the "Skat" and tested on October 19, 1910. For the first time, the snorkel was serially produced and used during the Second World War in the German Navy. In the Russian Navy, the device is called RDP - "diesel engine operation under water" Captain of the second rank Nikolai Alekseevich Gudim commanded submarines: "Skat", "Okun", "Dragon", "Shark". He died along with the submarine "Akula" at the exit to Memel on November 15, 1915.
        1. Warrior Hamilton
          Warrior Hamilton 20 March 2016 23: 39
          0
          Gentlemen, no need to fantasize ... The buzzword "snorkel", adding "special mystery" to the German Kriegsmarine, is translated - PIPE. The RDP device, "Diesel Operation under Water", is the most important device on modern diesel submarines.
        2. AK64
          AK64 21 March 2016 01: 42
          -2
          For the first time, a snorkel began to be mass-produced and used during the Second World War in the German Navy.


          Once again, for the especially stubborn: the snorkel that the Germans had, they whole-torn with the Dutch design.


          Germany defeated the Netherlands in 1940; their capture of O-25 and O-26 was a stroke of luck for the Kriegsmarine (German navy). The Dutch O-21 series was operating a device named a snuiver (sniffer). The Dutch navy had been experimenting as early as 1938 with a simple pipe system on the submarines O-19 and O-20 that enabled them to travel at periscope depth operating on its diesels with almost unlimited underwater range while charging the propulsion batteries. The system was designed by the Dutchman Jan Jacob Wichers.
          1. Warrior Hamilton
            Warrior Hamilton 21 March 2016 10: 57
            +2
            Why mindlessly fantasize adults on a forum:
            Quote: python2a
            Snorkels were abandoned because of their excessive danger and unreliable work.
            - when this device is required for modern submarines Or:
            Quote: AK64
            Here are just a snorkel Germans themselves copied from the Dutch

            , what’s the difference from whom the Germans copied .... no one questions their gloomy genius - blond beast on a white horse, but there is a historical fact of the installation and use of this device by Russian sailors long before the Second World War, which indicates a serious technical preparation of the Russian naval corps. Want to prove that it wasn’t, prove it, but I'm not interested hi laughing
            1. AK64
              AK64 21 March 2016 19: 12
              -1
              , who cares who the Germans copied

              the difference is great: here they resist copying German by the Soviet. and so the Germans also copied IT. that is, copying is not an exclusively Soviet "creative technique".

              .... no one questions their gloomy genius - blond beast on a white horse, but there is a historical fact of the installation and use of this device by Russian naval sailors long before the Second World War, which indicates a serious technical preparation of the Russian naval corps. Want to prove that it wasn’t, prove it, but I'm not interested


              Have I ever said a word about this?
              No, I didn’t.
              Well, then I congratulate you on the lie, citizen.

              In general:
              (1) that Russian snorkel was too primitive to be practical. A number of colleagues have already written about the problems of snorkels above - and even if the design is not well developed ... Then it is simply dangerous.
              (2) almost everything did snorkel: they were made by British, Italians, and others ... Everyone was more or less primitive - almost like the one on Shark - and therefore did not take root. Everywhere small benefits at risk.
              (3) the first more or less practical snorkel was precisely the Dutch - it was precisely this that was communized by the Germans.

              You, of course, don’t know about this, because the Russian Wiki, which you shamelessly copy-paste, does not write about it. So you sometimes switch to the English Wiki - it is much more complete.
              1. Warrior Hamilton
                Warrior Hamilton 22 March 2016 10: 37
                0
                I, unlike you, shamelessly touched all this with my own hands and for more than one year. Better "dig-graze" something, someone ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 20 March 2016 07: 10
      +12
      Quote: Nehist
      As far as I remember, the basis of this boat lay the constructive solutions of German boats of projects XXI and XXIII.

      Where without them ...
      One such statement by the author shows how he plays with facts
      The Soviet Union entered the war, having only 218 submarines in the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Fleet - almost half the number of German submarine forces in 1943, at its highest peak: 432 boats.

      But could the author recall how many kriegsmarines had submarines on June 22, 1941. Well, for objectivity
    3. Vladimir Mitin_2
      Vladimir Mitin_2 25 February 2021 11: 43
      0
      Participants in the Cuban missile crisis were pl 641 pr.
  2. Bayonet
    Bayonet 20 March 2016 06: 53
    +7
    In total, from 1951 to 1958, 215 submarines of this project were built in the USSR and another 21 in China.

    Submarine S-189 - a museum in St. Petersburg.
  3. 677
    677 20 March 2016 07: 00
    +8
    The main participants in the Caribbean crisis were 641 projects B-4, B-36, B-59, B-130.
  4. engineer
    engineer 20 March 2016 08: 14
    -5
    It was already the last century. SSBN with a nuclear power plant. These became the basis of the submarine fleet both in the us and in us. There is no arguing against progress.
  5. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 20 March 2016 09: 13
    +15
    In the history of Soviet submarine shipbuilding, the series of Project 613 submarines has become the most numerous. However, the average submarines of project 613 in their combat capabilities (weapons, autonomy, etc.) were significantly inferior to their modern large submarines (in particular, domestic project 611 and even German series XXI during the war). In fact, they were significantly improved ships of the same basic concept as the infamous German VIIC series boats, although they significantly surpassed them, and even more so, Soviet submarines of pre-war projects in terms of their level of perfection. The high surface speed in combination with the developed artillery weapons (originally installed on these submarines) suggested an energetic maneuver on the surface, which already from 1944 proved to be very problematic for German submarines in the Atlantic. When moving in the regime under the RDP, the autonomy of the submarine of the 613th project was already often insufficient for active hostilities on the ocean communications of our former allies, and even more so off the coast of the United States (to increase the autonomy of 35 boats were converted according to the 613V project). In service initially there were only forward-facing torpedoes to defeat surface targets. There is a well-grounded point of view of a number of prominent naval specialists: with the same expenditure of material resources, instead of 215 medium-sized submarines of Project 613, it would be much more profitable to build 140 large Project 611. However, it would be very difficult to build a large series of large submarines in the shortest possible time, especially since it was not possible then to build large boats of the 611th project at the Sormovo shipyard. Therefore, the decision to build a large series of boats of Project 613 was largely forced - it was required to equip the Soviet Navy with modern (albeit relatively) submarines as soon as possible - the Cold War was in full swing and at any moment could go into the "hot stage" - the main task Submarines in this war are actions on enemy communications in the North Atlantic. For this, it was required to have in service as many submarines as possible. The boats of Project 613, not being the most advanced and modern, nevertheless met these requirements and, moreover, they could be quickly built in a large series. The same boats became a training desk for Soviet submarine commanders who later served on nuclear-powered submarines. I believe that these boats have become a landmark in the history of the Soviet submarine.
    I have the honor.
  6. Yarik
    Yarik 20 March 2016 09: 29
    -10%
    In fact, during the years of the most active construction of Project 613 boats, the Soviet fleet received one new submarine of this type in five days!

    Hmm ... socialism vs capitalism in its most miserable form, Russian.
    1. Midshipman
      Midshipman 20 March 2016 16: 01
      +7
      Enough already to find fault with the Motherland. No matter what, everything in Russia is bad. Start with yourself - do well to the Motherland without tears and snot ((
      1. AK64
        AK64 20 March 2016 16: 20
        +1
        Enough already to find fault with the Motherland. No matter what, everything in Russia is bad. Start with yourself - do well to the Motherland without tears and snot ((


        You might think someone him will allow "make the motherland good without tears and snot"
    2. Alf
      Alf 20 March 2016 21: 13
      +1
      Quote: Yarik
      In fact, during the years of the most active construction of Project 613 boats, the Soviet fleet received one new submarine of this type in five days!

      Hmm ... socialism vs capitalism in its most miserable form, Russian.

      The Americans in the 2MB aircraft carrier for the month built-perfectly.
      For five days our submarine was lowered.
      Does the expression "double standards" mean anything?
  7. 2s1122
    2s1122 20 March 2016 11: 02
    0
    Perhaps our military leadership, relying specifically on the submarine fleet at the given moment, chose the right strategy, because there are a lot of seas and oceans washing the state, but they are all cold. The warm is only the black sea.
  8. rudolff
    rudolff 20 March 2016 11: 06
    +7
    My first boat. I found them even when Lenkom was on floating practice at the naval base in Liepaja in the 80s. After that practice, any boat of another project seemed to be the height of perfection! Remember for a lifetime.
    1. YOU
      YOU 20 March 2016 14: 32
      +2
      Practice after the 3rd year was held in Balaklava at 644 Ave. The rest of the practice and service at 970m. I remembered the practice and shooting for the first time in my life.
    2. Mister22408
      Mister22408 23 March 2016 21: 16
      0
      belay Similarly. Match 100% .1st f. (Chinese). drinks
  9. Kenneth
    Kenneth 20 March 2016 11: 19
    +1
    Super boat. After testing, not a single major accident. Except there is some kind of collision
    1. 677
      677 21 March 2016 06: 11
      0
      Unfortunately, there were accidents, just the lead S-80 (albeit redone according to 644pr.) In 1961 died with the whole crew in the Barents Sea. The collision was at the Pacific Fleet in 81 with a refrigerator (S-178, part of the crew was saved) .Well Swedish Komsomolets S-363, a minor navigational accident. In general, it turns out that out of 215 boats, only one perished.
      1. go21zd45few
        go21zd45few 21 March 2016 12: 34
        0
        677. The death of S-80 square in the Barents was caused by a crew error. Instead of the sick sailor БЧ-5, they took a scribe, a sailor from another squad at sea, the mistake was that a scribed sailor during an urgent immersion in a place
        in order to close the RDP valve, the operation of the diesel engine under water, opened it. He was not warned about the features of the bottom equipment. If on his native square
        the valve was closed in one direction, then in the opposite direction on a given sub, that is, the submarine sank due to erroneous actions of the crew.
  10. rudolff
    rudolff 20 March 2016 11: 42
    +4
    There is not so much a super boat as the people who served on it. That's who really - super. On a wave of turbulence such that the stomach turns inside out, under water "cries" wherever possible, somewhere the air poisons, oil drives ... Rust grows instantly. Romance on the verge of extreme.
    1. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 20 March 2016 18: 01
      +2
      You, my dear, are talking nonsense; for 4 years of service on Project 613, I have not noticed any snot, no air baiting, much less oil oozing. It all depends on the crew. And the stomach does not turn out during a storm, which means your body does not tolerate pitching. We fell at 8, this is when the boat wrote out the figure eight during the pitching. The sailors will understand what I’m talking about, and not one crew member did not poison, except for the lieutenant
      БЧ5, young only from school. The crews of the project 613 boats were called sea workers. %
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 20 March 2016 21: 16
        +2
        go21zd45few, Georgy, why argue with the obvious and prove the obvious? In what years did you serve on these ships? Apparently, in the 60s and 70s? I readily believe that then they were in proper condition. I'm talking about the 80s and a specific naval base. Our head of the course was the senior practitioner. Literally his words: "Guys, I had practice in the school, too, on these boats. And then they told us, they say you will serve on others. By the time you finish the school, the 613 will no longer be in the Navy! Well ... now ... I tell you the same thing. You will serve for others! Probably ... "This is literal.
        The boats were essentially slow-moving. When trimmed under the periscope, it did not just "cry", it was flowing! To the commander's question about the immersion depth, the answer is: 50 meters limit. There have been no planned repairs since the time of Tsar Pea. In some places (I saw chips in a solid cabin), layers of paint for two or three fingers. And the air was poisoned, and the oil drove wherever possible. In this state, I have never seen boats in the first line. Crews are short. Of the innovations, only the "box" of a satellite radio station, which was proudly shown to all guests.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 20 March 2016 21: 39
          +1
          Well, about the eversion of the stomachs. Sorry, but iron is rare. It all depends on the build-up. If the sea is constant, then you get used to it. If from time to time, turn anyone out of habit. At the same Liepāja naval base, it was still possible to go to sea at an RTO. In the strait zone near Sweden we got into a good wave. Only 5 points. But for MRK 5 points, this is the limit of seaworthiness. On the third day, only the acting commander of the ship (assigned from the headquarters) and the mechanic, the rest half-dead, with green faces remained in good condition. Sailors stacked at the gyro post. The shooting was canceled. Upon returning to the base, they could not moor for an hour, disorientation was almost complete. So ... Anything can happen. Sea wolves are not immediately born, they become over time.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 21 March 2016 03: 43
            +1
            Quote: rudolff
            Well, about the eversion of the stomachs ... got into a good wave. Just 5 points .... Sea wolves are not immediately born, they become over time.

            For Horatio Nelson, according to rumors, a bucket, if not his life, then his career, was carried, because he was troubled by it from the slightest pitching. And nothing, he commanded the fleet, so God forbid any admiral with the biggest stars.
            I also had to get 5 points, though not at MRK, but either at the Royal Princess, or at the Norvegian Gem - I don’t remember. He tolerated well, did not feel sick, and the appetite did not go away, and what I especially remembered was the surf in the pool, until they let the water out of it.

            Hillary for prison 2016 !!!
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 21 March 2016 09: 58
              +1
              Nagan, that's why I indicated that the MRK, that the displacement is less than 1000 tons. 5 points for him the limit of seaworthiness. I don’t know how much restriction he had on the use of weapons, according to his passport, but it’s probably lower, because by 5 points he was definitely not combat-ready. We passed fishing vessels, two times less, so they generally showed screws from the water. But in the pouring zone we met a German frigate, so visually it did not really "sway" at all. Everything is relative. Since then, I have not "talked" to the sink anymore. Although it happened and dull specifically. The boats have their own "specificity". Watch on the navigating bridge at the side bridge is something.
          2. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few 21 March 2016 09: 00
            +1
            rudolff / I beg your pardon generously, I did not want to offend you. Yes, I served in the 60s of the last century, by the age of 80 the boats of this project in my opinion were withdrawn from service. The reason is that at the beginning of 60 the limiting depth of immersion was 250 m, then by the year 68 it was already 180 m. Therefore, I agree with you that in the 80s it was simulators. PS In Leningrad, there was an excellent training base for KUOP submariners, a Red Banner training unit for scuba diving, on Vasilyevsky Island, with an excellent material and technical and educational training base. During the time of perestroika, all this was useless to anyone.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 21 March 2016 09: 54
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              go21zd45few, Georgy, everything is fine. I guessed that you served when the 613th boat was in its prime. I found her when she was living out her last years. In the 80s, they were still in service. And those from the Liepaja brigade that were still on the move were overtaken in the early 90s based on Kronstadt and only then they went on pins and needles. I myself studied in St. Petersburg, at VVMUPP at navigator. Then he served in the north in the 24th DPL. But I remember that practice for the rest of my life.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 March 2016 11: 42
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    A good comparison is the submarine to the three-rulers. Simple to primitivism and trouble-free. In general, thirty-four scuba diving.
  12. marshes
    marshes 20 March 2016 13: 01
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    For a long time there was a case, I read that the first submarines were cast from cast iron, in sections in "pits", then they were fastened together with rivets or bolts - truth or fiction.
    PS if someone from the fans of "ponds" smears, he will give a link to a site with drawings of ordinary boats, punt boats, with the possibility of mounting a motor. Aluminum and fiberglass are not interested, only steel is at hand. I will be grateful.
  13. kvs207
    kvs207 20 March 2016 13: 01
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    Quote: Bayonet

    Submarine S-189 - a museum in St. Petersburg.

    I was on it on an excursion. Impressed by the conditions of service.
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 March 2016 13: 10
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    having only 218 submarines in the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Fleet - almost half the number of German submarine forces in 1943, at its highest peak: 432 boats.

    Well, here's what you will do, our authors like to compare the stump with a birch.
    On "218" (212,219) Soviet submarines, Germany in 1941 had about 200 units. as if already a different ratio, right? And "only 218 submarines" looks a little different.
    I give the idea to the authors concerned about the relationships. By 1914, the RIF had about twenty submarines, which is generally 201,5 times less than that of "Germany in 1943, at the time of its highest prosperity", why not compare, the numbers are generally cool.
  15. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 20 March 2016 15: 46
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    The shortsightedness of the generals and party leaders is evident. Already in the 44th attacks of the German submarines, no more than 2% of the Atlantic convoys of the Allies were subjected. And 200 of Soviet post-war submarines with existing PBs are not a couple of 400 Nazi with PBs on the Atlantic coast. The Anglo-Saxons attacked the German rake against the PLO - they were preparing for the war of the 39 year!
  16. Serg65
    Serg65 20 March 2016 19: 17
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    Auto RU. Sergey, do not be offended by this purely my opinion .... The 613 project is a legend of the USSR Navy and it seems to me that your story about these boats is a bit dry, it looks like a report.
    I would start a little differently .....
    On July 30 of 1944 in 19.00, throwing garbage overboard, the radio operator of the KM-910 boat minesweeper, senior sailor Nikolai Bondar, right under the boat, saw a dark silhouette of the submarine. This accident led to the death of the German U-250 submarine sunk by the sea hunter M-103 under the command of the guard of senior lieutenant A.P. Kolenko. This date and this case can be considered the beginning of work on the 613 project. Starting from 1942 in the USSR, a submarine project was developed under the code “pr.608”, but after studying the U-250 of the XXI series in January 1946 by the People's Commissar of the Navy, Admiral N.G. Kuznetsov approved the task for the design of the submarine pr.613.
    Quote: Scharnhorst
    The Anglo-Saxons attacked the German rake against the PLO - they were preparing for the war of the 39 year!

    laughing One example buddy! On December 14, 1959, the S-360 submarine under the command of Captain 3rd Rank V.S. Kozlov was within an order of 1 pennants at the head of the Des Moines TKR during the 5st HOUR! By the way, the 34th President of the United States, Mr. Eisenhower, was on board the cruiser! The boat went out several times in a training torpedo attack on the cruiser !!! These are the "German rakes" bully
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 20 March 2016 19: 31
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      The last submarine 613 of the project-S "S-229" is now "UTS-247", the 247th separate division of the Black Sea Fleet submarine, Sevastopol, Yuzhnaya Bay.
  17. kvs207
    kvs207 20 March 2016 19: 56
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    "Eski" cabin
  18. kvs207
    kvs207 20 March 2016 19: 56
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    View of the bow torpedo tubes
  19. kvs207
    kvs207 20 March 2016 19: 57
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    Torpedo tube
  20. proud
    proud 20 March 2016 22: 56
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Nehist
    As far as I remember, the basis of this boat lay the constructive solutions of German boats of projects XXI and XXIII.

    Where without them ...
    One such statement by the author shows how he plays with facts
    The Soviet Union entered the war, having only 218 submarines in the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Fleet - almost half the number of German submarine forces in 1943, at its highest peak: 432 boats.

    But could the author recall how many kriegsmarines had submarines on June 22, 1941. Well, for objectivity
  21. proud
    proud 20 March 2016 23: 08
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    If memory serves me right then in World War II (1939) Germany entered with only 50 submarines, including boats of all series, that is, from 1 to 7, so in my opinion, the USSR’s submarine fleet was not so weak at the time the outbreak of war Another thing is the effectiveness of its use by warring parties, but here the facts speak for themselves!
  22. aba
    aba 22 March 2016 02: 19
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    13 March 1950 of the year laid the head of the submarine project 613: the most massive submarine of the Russian fleet

    Or maybe still Soviet ?!
  23. Sergey Eliseev
    Sergey Eliseev 16 September 2019 20: 53
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    He served on this project from 1972 to 1975 in the Baltic in 37 divisions of 22 scuba diving brigades in Liepaja. The boat is really easy to operate and manage. In the base on the lower guard there were only three sailors: a hold operator; an electrician; a mechanic and someone from the senior officers of the BS-5 on duty on the ship .. Sometimes young lieutenants from torpedo, navigators and commanders of the motor group. Preparation for battle and a campaign took 1,5 hours, and emergency preparation only 40 minutes. The boats were operated very intensively: one came from military service, and the other replaced it. One or two submarines were constantly in Baltiysk, fulfilling tasks with surface ships. In the outport, two submarines were also constantly on alert. All the tasks that were set for this project were carried out in full. So they served very worthily for thirty or more years. In St. Petersburg on the Makarov embankment now there is a museum of this boat S-189. The captain is the director of this boat of the museum N. Chernyshov also served in the 22 brigade and was even friends with my S-15 commander, B.F. Naroditsky. About the service in the submarine, only good memories.