The energy of the Soviet past

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"We showed the Americans: they will not have the technological advantage"

In 1977 – 1991, Vakhtang Vachnadze headed the Energia Scientific and Production Association. It was he who was responsible for the implementation of the Soviet project of a reusable space system. In a conversation with the “Military-Industrial Courier,” a veteran of the industry recalls that the Energy-Buran program brought the country what it could give and what we lost.

- Vakhtang Dmitrievich, it seems that the extra-heavy carrier Energia was made almost from scratch, without using any earlier developments ...

- In fact history the heavy carrier must be counted from the N-1, "Tsar-rocket", as it was called. It was created so that the first foot of the Soviet person set foot on the moon. We have lost this battle to America. The main reason can be considered the fact that the engines for the rocket were not made by Valentin Glushko, - the work was performed by Nikolai Kuznetsov's firm, which specialized in aviation engines.

- I heard the phrase "Glushko refused to make engines for the lunar program." But in my head it does not fit, as in the system in general, it was possible to refuse to do something for space. And actually, why did he refuse?

The energy of the Soviet past

Photo: Yanina Nikonorova / RSC Energia

- At that moment, when the first grand successes of the Soviet cosmonautics were dizzy, from the leadership of the industry, everyone went on increasing. If these people in space could do this, then they will be able to do much on Earth. Dmitry Fyodorovich Ustinov headed the Supreme Council of the National Economy, the “second Council of Ministers”. Deputy Minister of Defense Industry Konstantin Rudnev became Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers for Science and Technology and so on. And it turned out that there was no person capable of making everyone work in one team.

Of course, Glushko did not just refuse - he had a technical rationale, which they considered weighty. He said that such engines, which were required for H-1, cannot be created on kerosene and oxygen. He insisted on developing the engine on new high-energy fluorine-based components. And that his design bureau does not have the infrastructure necessary to create such engines. But technical differences were still the reason, not the reason for his refusal.

- It's no secret that Korolev and Glushko were not best friends. But after all, all the previous time, they very effectively collaborated ...

- They walked the same way for a long time, both were sent to Germany in a group of specialists who collected all the information about the missile weapons. But upon his return, the Queen was appointed chief designer of the missiles, and Glushko remained the chief designer of engines. But then he said that the engine - most importantly, tie it to the fence - and the fence will fly where necessary. In some ways he was right. If you take the first missiles - R-1 or R-2, then the engine was really the most difficult component there. But when the missiles became larger and more powerful, there were so many systems, the most diverse and very complex, that simply appeared, and it would take a lot of time. But both awards and titles both continued to receive in fact by one decree. Hero of Socialist Labor, twice Hero, Lenin Prize laureate, corresponding member of the USSR Academy of Sciences and academician - everything is absolutely synchronous. But this continued until it came to space. And it turned out that Korolev, figuratively speaking, ascended, and Glushko with his engines - magnificent! - remained on the ground. Everyone applauded the Vostoks and Rises, but the glory, though not public, only in the leading circles of the USSR, went to the Queen. So there was a certain jealousy in Glushko.

- And become a successful Soviet lunar project, Korolev would have ascended even higher.

- The project was very hard. We entered the moon race, and many decisions were made in an emergency mode. Four launches were made and all failed - precisely because of the first stage. I note that the first two were made before the landing of Americans on the moon. At the beginning of the first stage was 27 engines, then thirty. When the Central Committee resolved the issue of the reasons for the failures, they voiced the opinion of Glushko. He wrote that three dozen engines could not operate simultaneously, and the abnormal operation of any of them leads to an accident - which, in fact, occurred in each of the launches performed. Work on the project had to be suspended. Guilty punished. They removed Academician Mishin, the former General Designer after Korolev, withdrew Karimov, the head of the 3-th chapter in Minoblast, who was directly involved in the program Х1-Л3.

My opinion: a rocket could bring or at least save all the developments.

By virtue of the enormous size, the tank of the I stage (product F14М) was made directly at Baikonur, where they created a branch of the Kuibyshev plant “Progress”. Funding was lame, Khrushchev allocated money and Korolev, and Chelomey was given a heavy carrier project - the situation was not simple, everyone was fighting for their own interests. It ended with the fact that at first the H-1 project was frozen and then destroyed up to the documentation. As if the rocket did not exist at all.

This is fundamentally wrong. For military space just need a heavy carrier. H-1 was quite possible to bring to mind, and what is important - to further increase the mass of the output load. Then I would not have to create a new product for the same tasks. Could, when need made, make only a spacecraft ... And they would be ahead of the Americans with the Space Shuttle program. H-1 was designed for 75 – 80 tons of output load, but already then there were solutions and developments on how to increase it to one hundred and more tons: hydrogen engines were made to the “G” and “D” blocks by the design offices of Arkhip Lyulka and Alexey Bogomolov .

- And then the Americans forced us again to take up the development of a heavy carrier, Energia ...

- The reason for the government resolution 1976 of the year, from which the project of the reusable transport system Energia-Buran began, was the information that Americans are developing their Space Shuttle program for use, including for military purposes. Keldysh wrote to the Central Committee that, according to calculations, the Shuttle, having a lateral 2200 maneuver of kilometers, may well, while on the atmospheric part of the flight, drop a nuclear charge on Moscow, and then safely fly to Vandenberg Air Base in California. Later, new potential threats were voiced, which also had to be taken into account.

The military industrial complex gathered specialists, they ask: have they gathered to destroy us, how will we answer? Then we had all sorts of projects on the topic of the war in space: electromagnetic guns, space-rocket rockets, Chelomey developed a fighter satellite capable of changing orbits ... But the decision was tough: with the Energy-Buran project to fend off all threats which arise with the appearance in the USA of a fundamentally new technical means, exclude any suddenness from its activities. All projects to close, to make a similar system according to the characteristics not lower than the “Space Shuttle”.

In 1979, Mstislav Keldysh informs the country's leadership that for weapons based on new physical principles (laser, accelerator and beam) for space warfare, it will be necessary to have an energy source in 250 – 850 tons in orbit. A little later, all these plans were somehow formulated in the Reagan concept of "Strategic Defense Initiative." It was also about laser weapons for various purposes, beam, high-frequency, kinetic. In fact, a full-fledged war in space. But then I wrote to the Central Committee a statement that the program announced by Reagan for the Americans today is not technically feasible. According to the scheme, they did not have a heavy carrier. The maximum payload of the shuttle is 28 tons. That is, the creation of giant space platforms for placing weapons using only the Space Shuttle is impossible.

However, Leonid Smirnov, Chairman of the Council of Ministers' Military-Industrial Commission, set the task of making changes to the project. All those who worked on the topic sent out an instruction: keep in mind that with further development of Energia’s carrier, payloads can be removed to 170 tons by increasing the number of side accelerators, and by expanding the volumes of the central unit tanks to 200 tons. That is, if we implement all the developments, we could output Keldyshev 800 tons in four launches.

But then the Americans set their sights on the war in space seriously, hoping to overtake us in this. When Reagan proclaimed the PIO program, a layered missile defense system, a Star Wars Directorate was created at the Pentagon. It was led by General James Abrahamsson.

- That is, we followed the Americans - do you need to have the same capabilities as they?

- We initially had a different question: to do at least as good as theirs, and preferably better. Even our ships differ in many ways. According to the scheme, the main engine and fuel tank of the Americans were installed on the ship, and its rise was carried out by two solid-fuel boosters. The “Buran”, on the other hand, was launched into space on a full-fledged heavy carrier with a 105 ton burden. "Energy" remained completely independent, capable, as I said, with the installation of additional side units to put into space any payload. In this, I believe, our project compares favorably.

Achievements of the project "Energy-Buran" can be listed for a long time. First, the most powerful engine to date, developed under the guidance of Valentin Glushko RD-170. They were equipped with each of the four side accelerators. Each sidewall is essentially a separate carrier, designed for the removal of 10 tons of cargo. The rocket, created as part of a joint project by order of the 1976 of the year and manufactured in the Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhnoye design bureau, later acquired the name Zenith and was widely used in commercial launches. We have developed a lightweight version of "Energy", it was called "Energy-M". This is a wonderful carrier - there was nothing new to do there. The Energia hydrogen tank is 7,7 meters in diameter and 34 meters in length is a ten-story house. We reduce by half the hydrogen and oxygen tanks, we put in the central block not four, but two oxygen-hydrogen engines RD-0120, and we reduce the number of side outboards from four to two. And we get a rocket from 25 to 40 tons of payload output. The niche of the currently used UR-500 (“Proton”) to 20 tons and everything above can be closed with our reduced “Energy”. The demand for such loads is very high. When I was the head of the central office in Minobmash, the general designer of satellite systems, Mikhail Reshetnev, persuaded me: give the opportunity to increase the weight output to the geostationary orbit, at least by two tons, we can then place such repeaters there that it will be possible to receive their signals with the smallest devices , - Orbit stations with huge antennas will not be needed.

So, if the Energy-M project were saved, now it would be very profitable. And now even hydrogen cannot be obtained in the required amounts, everything has been eliminated.

And there would be a production, there would be technologies, and pay off. As the need arises for super-heavy media - everything is there, everything is ready, build and run, a hundred tons - please, but you want two hundred. This is if we talk about possible lunar or Martian expeditions.

A separate conversation about the "bird", about the ship "Buran". Heat protection tiles with different characteristics ... There were so many problems with them. We, by the way, also flew tiles, but, fortunately, there were only three in those places where the heating did not exceed 900 degrees. Had it happened where the temperature reached 2000 degrees, the trouble would not be avoided, as happened with the shuttle Columbia.

- So the flight of the Buran is a lost victory or is it not?

- Actually, the main result of all our work on the Energy-Buran project can be considered the fact that we showed the Americans: they will not have the technological advantage, we are able to respond adequately. And six months after the automatic flight of the Buran, the Abrahamson administration was disbanded.

Maybe thanks to this space research came to the XXI century not in the form of military rivalry, but in the form of international cooperation.

A heavy carrier solves a lot of issues - and the exploration of near-Earth space, and flights into deep space, and asteroid safety, and energy, and even radioactive waste is not heated in the ocean, but burned in the Sun. It does not seem real now, but after some time it will certainly become relevant.

Today, all the issues of big energy in space remain. This is an electronic suppression, clearing the main orbits of debris, solving the issues of the raging climate of the planet. And we are not going anywhere from the creation of a super-heavy rocket, life will force it.

- Then the whole country worked on the project. Is co-operation of this magnitude at least possible now?

- And here is the cooperation. Now build another. There was a single fist, only centralized power could do this. And it was a developed industrial state. What is being built at the Vostochny Cosmodrome is ten times lighter than what we did, creating a launch facility for Energia. But we have made the starting position, and all the huge infrastructure in three years! On Earth, the cold war is on, and they fly together in space and are friends. So, we on Earth will be able to be friends and work together, not a single state will cope with the challenges that threaten our civilization.

Sergei Pavlovich Korolev said: "Never catch up - you will always be at the tail, and take on priority tasks." Today, the priority task can be to master the Moon for future use of its resources and energy, to master the transfer of energy by microwave and laser beams, including for charging spacecraft on electric motors. This project will stir up all scientific divisions and the Russian Academy of Sciences, many branches of the national economy and will drag the whole country to a new level with the help of electronics and robotics.

Monologue in the museum, or forgotten technology

Vakhtang Vachnadze in the RSC Energia Museum

What we have done, that technological reserve will last long enough. Hydrogen tank. It is made of hardened aluminum alloy. If all previous rockets were made from AMG-6 alloy, there is a maximum breaking force - 37 kilograms per square millimeter, the material of Energy tanks at normal temperature is 42 kilogram, and when pouring liquid hydrogen - 58. The tank itself is also the latest technology, its inner surface has a wafer structure to reduce weight and increase rigidity. And this is all milled automatically, specially developed machines. Another know-how is thermal protection of tanks. It should be strong and very light, consists of seven components, called ripore. We have it turned out better than the Americans.

Here is a cone - the tip of the “side”, where it adjoins the central part. Made of titanium, here are four welds of electron beam welding. It is performed in a vacuum, and special overhead cavities have been developed for working with large-sized elements, creating a local vacuum at the welding site. A lot of things have been preserved, but also lost. On one of the anniversaries of Energia-Buran, I was invited to make a report for the employees of the Ministry of Defense. During the break, they already say to me in a private setting: you insist that the project needs to be resumed, but this is impossible. Even the oil used in the steering drives of engines is no longer to be found, since the plant that made it, no longer exists. And so in many positions.
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  1. +2
    13 March 2016 06: 28
    All around are renegades.
    1. +2
      13 March 2016 12: 29
      Quote: cergey51046
      All around are renegades.

      And what will * the head of the transport department * say about this?
      VKS officer who graduated from Mozhaika, His Excellency BAIKONUR laughing
      Strange as it may, one can see it in any article, with the exception of * native * cosmic themes.
      Your way out, maestro fellow
      1. 0
        13 March 2016 20: 39
        Surely gave a subscription. This is not a joke.
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    3. +1
      13 March 2016 21: 26
      Renegades? And having experience with the "N-1" and "Energia" developments, why fence the carrier rocket with the engine's cartridge belt ???
      1. 0
        14 March 2016 11: 26
        Quote: killganoff
        And having experience with the "N-1" and "Energia" developments, why fence the carrier rocket with the engine's cartridge belt ???

        N-1 did not survive (yes N-1 and dead end: suspension tanks, supporting structure, hot (as in combat) separation of stages, oversized first stage, etc.)
        E-1 practically did not survive (except for the remote control), and the march is VERY expensive.
        Who do you want?
        The launch of Energy with a snowstorm cost 700-900 million rubles (those)
  2. +7
    13 March 2016 06: 38
    In vain, however, the N-1 was hacked, since in fact modularity was laid in the rocket. The classes R-7 (H-111) and Proton (H-11) were stacked in it.
    The system was practically worked out, and the same notorious shuttles could be launched using it without question.
    Energy is a good rocket, but the layout with the installation of goods created certain problems, and even the cryogenic components of the fuel.
    For flights to Mars, for example, the N-1 would be able to take out several modules in turn and assemble the ship in orbit, just as it would take several launches to launch the orbital station. Well, it was not required to constantly launch the most load-lifting option, and the reduced ones would be enough.

    1. +6
      13 March 2016 06: 54
      I don’t understand, work on the product was stopped, but why destroy all the samples, and even more so the blueprints. Despite all this, the engines were hidden and now they are working.
      1. +2
        13 March 2016 07: 10
        Apparently Glushko decided to play it safe, all the more so as a matter of fact Mishin made a mistake by starting the test with the hardest version.
        1. -7
          13 March 2016 09: 11
          Decisions are made in the power structures ... The Americans leaked the moon (just the same through the clumsy N-1), because then there was absolutely nothing to be proud of in space. :-)
          For such flights, the Proton will do (and was planned) there - they also assembled the MIR DOS from the ISS.
          1. +1
            13 March 2016 09: 25
            Controlling the first stage of the N-1 by the differential thrust of its engines? "No, you haven't heard" ... :-)))
            1. cap
              +4
              13 March 2016 11: 09
              Quote: Generalissimo
              Decisions are made in the power structures ... The Americans leaked the moon (just the same through the clumsy N-1), because then there was absolutely nothing to be proud of in space. :-)
              For such flights, the Proton will do (and was planned) there - they also assembled the MIR DOS from the ISS.

              Quote: Generalissimo
              Controlling the first stage of the N-1 by the differential thrust of its engines? "No, you haven't heard" ... :-)))


              We heard about Generalissimo I.V. Stalin.
              Come up with a more modest avatar.
              Please hi I understand spring and all that. The site is military. The title must be earned.
              1. +4
                13 March 2016 15: 19
                Quote: cap
                . The title must be earned.

                On the site?
              2. 0
                14 March 2016 07: 33
                There is no avatar ... There are plenty of "modest" ones with his portrait.
                And about the lack of steering, and heard the control of the N-1 by the different pull of its engines? So it’s better not to try to fly even on an airplane ...
                1. +1
                  14 March 2016 19: 51
                  Quote: Generalissimo
                  And about the lack of steering, and heard the control of the N-1 by the different pull of its engines?


                  on the launch vehicle for pitch and yaw control, the principle of mismatch of the thrust of opposite engines.
                  what?
                  so and so the control system of the engine operation "KORD" is applied.
                  Do you think reactive controls:
                  - rotary marching engines;





                  - rotary combustion chambers of the mid-flight engine (MD);
                  - steering engines (cameras, nozzles);
                  - rotary nozzle MD;
                  - motionlessly installed throttle marching engines;
                  - rotary nozzles at the nozzle exit MD;
                  - deviation of the exhaust gas stream by introducing gases to the combustion chambers;
                  - deviation of the outflowing gas stream by liquid injection;
                  etc.
                  easier and more reliable and more efficient (for such a carcass)?
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2016 02: 50
                    Are you with your pictures again?
                    The fact that the tanks control the "throttling" of the engines (tracks), which travel on the ground and not crash on it.
            2. 0
              13 March 2016 16: 13
              Quote: Generalissimo
              Controlling the first stage of the N-1 by the differential thrust of its engines? "No, you haven't heard" ... :-)))

              Well, why couldn't the engines 'raznotyag' be 'balanced' by a common exhaust pipe?
              At the expense of uncontrolled vibration - yes, I can not imagine a solution
              1. 0
                14 March 2016 04: 59
                Because the exhaust pipe has reduced pressure.
                Uncontrolled vibrations were in the Americans on the F-1.
                Put a silencer, otherwise too much energy is carried away with the acoustics.
              2. 0
                14 March 2016 07: 51
                They tried to steer with a chain pick if you did not understand :-)))
              3. 0
                14 March 2016 07: 51
                They tried to steer with a chain pick if you did not understand :-)))
          2. 0
            13 March 2016 20: 40
            It seems like the pen.do.su were flying in the moon in Hollywood. Cheating.
      2. +1
        14 March 2016 19: 37
        Quote: tundra
        and why all the samples, let alone the drawings, should be destroyed. Here the engines are hidden despite everything and now they are working.

        where to store (and this oh how not cheap)? at whose expense?
        LRE is one (1 hundredth of the volume, but it is very expensive)

        And the pH? Blocks?


        cutting out the oxidizer tank stage 2, if not mistaken


        Quote: kugelblitz
        Apparently Glushko

        Glushko could not influence the destruction in any way. Not his competence, It was decided by the Council of Ministers of the USSR
      3. 0
        April 9 2016 19: 38
        Quote: tundra
        I don’t understand, work on the product was stopped, but why destroy all the samples, and even more so the blueprints. Despite all this, the engines were hidden and now they are working.

        And so as not to be stolen ... And not used on the side. Were there not many technologies and practical developments taken abroad in the nineties? Although, DESTROYED may be a "legend" for the above reasons ...
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    3. +3
      14 March 2016 11: 39
      Quote: kugelblitz
      In vain, however, the N-1 was hacked, since in fact modularity was laid in the rocket.

      nothing is "embedded" in it.
      dead end, at the level of FAU-2
      outboard fuel tanks (containers)

      This is a two-story house from a fuel tank N 1 (11A52)

      TANZplotchka mezhbaka N 1 (11A52)



      absolute oversize (first stage)

      Yes, and the second is not much better


      Tyura There is no metro Canaveral, you can’t get enough oversized by sea

      Quote: kugelblitz
      classes R-7 fit into it (H-111) and proton (H-11).

      what?
      how did it "fit"?
      inside? (along or across?)
      R-7 (8K71) light class
      Proton (UR-500 = 8K82) heavy
      H 1 (11A52) superheavy (there is no load under it, except for the flight to the moon)
      and what kind of "classification" do you have "N-111", "N-11". Small-town, or what? or EGE?
      Quote: kugelblitz
      and cryogenic fuel components.

      without cryogenic not provide energy-mass characteristics of the launch vehicle
      Quote: kugelblitz
      For flights to Mars, for example, N-1 could output several modules in turn

      before that time "marinate" for 40-50 years? Where to store? Who pay?
      Quote: kugelblitz
      Well, it was not required to constantly launch the most load-lifting option, and the reduced ones would be enough.

      PH N 1 (11A52) "reduced" cannot be
      1.Without the first stage, rotten (expansion nozzles are designed for rarefaction)
      2. Without the 3rd (or 2nd) stage, 30 rocket engines are not necessary, otherwise you will get acceleration that the load will not withstand, or (if the mode is changed, the rail is still) a completely ineffective launcher.
      1. +1
        15 March 2016 19: 54
        So, there was a one-time rocket, so there were no problems putting on a specific modification, an engine with a specific nozzle extension. wassat

        Secondly, spherical tanks greatly reduced the cost of the design, paradoxically however, this missile turned out to be lighter than with the carriers. What it took to make tanks for Energy, for example. A cumbersome, but purely cosmic and universal one came out, it contained the ideas of Korolev, who was the first to propose a package scheme for his R-7 and he decided to go further.

        Well, about "fictionalism", I understand you, about it in Wikipedia is not written. wassat

        The work on the complex was initiated by the Government Decree of June 23, 1960 “On the creation of powerful launch vehicles, satellites, spacecraft and space exploration in 1960-1967.”

        For design studies of the launch vehicle (LV) N1, a payload of 75 tons was adopted using oxygen-kerosene at all stages of the liquid propellant rocket engine. This value of the payload mass corresponded to the starting mass of the launch vehicle of 2200 tons, and the use at the upper stages as combustible liquid hydrogen made it possible to increase the weight of the payload to 90-100 tons with the same starting weight.

        On the basis of the N1 launch vehicle stages, a unified series of missiles could be created:

        Н11 - using the II, III, and IV stages of the N1 LV with a launch weight of 700 tons and a payload of 20 tons at the OIZZ 300 km high
        Н111- using the III and IV stages of the LV H1 and II stages of the R-9A rocket with a launch weight of 200 tons and a payload of 5 tons at the OIZZ 300 km high.

        Work on the H1 complex was carried out under the direct supervision of S.P. Queen, who headed the Council of Chief Designers. After the death of S.P. The Queen in 1966, the first deputy V.P. assumed the leadership of the work on N1-L3. Mishin.

        On August 3, 1964, a Government Decision was issued, which for the first time determined that the most important task in the exploration of outer space with the help of the H1 launch vehicle is the exploration of the Moon with the landing of an expedition to its surface and its subsequent return to Earth. The missile system, which included the LV H1 and the L3 lunar system for sending to the surface of the Moon with the subsequent return to Earth of a crew of two people (with one person landing on the Moon), received the designation H1-L3.
        1. +1
          15 March 2016 23: 27
          Quote: kugelblitz
          engine with specific nozzle extension.

          this is a new engine

          Quote: kugelblitz
          Secondly, spherical tanks greatly reduced the cost of construction

          Hic ....
          The cheapest now is a cylinder, in production (you try to house a sphere and a cylinder at home, for example, from a sheet, you’ll understand)
          Quote: kugelblitz
          What it took to make tanks for Energy, for example. Came out bulky, n

          1. The first stage - C with 4 × RD-0120: H2 + O2. and if with liquid O2 "back and forth", then with H2 it is much more complicated.
          Thermal insulation of bearing tanks
          2. Side suspension PN. On the side of the pipe (thin-walled), weld the load or from the end. Difference?
          Let me remind you: the pipe works best on compression along the axis of its circumference
          Quote: kugelblitz
          but purely cosmic and universal,

          N-1 is also only "purely space"
          11K25 (Energy) not "universal, the lower limit of PN 30-40 tons, due to lateral suspension
          Quote: kugelblitz
          not written about her on wikipedia

          about launch vehicles, rocket engines and other things - I don’t need Wikipedia
          1. 0
            16 March 2016 07: 08
            At the first and second steps were NK-15 and NK-15V, differing only in the expansion of the nozzle. Here the conversation about unification was primarily in the first place, and the modification of the rocket naturally had its own design features for a specific engine.

            As for the "pipe", namely, the bearing skin, everything was fine here. The problem of the V-2's gravity was in filling the space between the tanks with insulating material, since its task was to return to the dense layers of the atmosphere. The N-1 did not have such a task.

            Spherical-shaped tanks are welded without question if special equipment is available, and by the way it solves the transportation problem.

            Yes, it has a minus in a low dense layout, hence such monstrous sizes, but it had excellent weight parameters.

            And also the strength in its automation, and the ability to scale, in the direction of increase for example. Therefore, she was so unusual.
      2. +1
        15 March 2016 20: 04
        Korolev was a genius! wassat

        The N-1 missile project was largely unusual, but its main distinguishing features were the original scheme with spherical suspension tanks, as well as supporting external skin, which was reinforced by a power set (the “semi-monocoque” aircraft scheme was used) and the ring placement of the LRE at each stage. Thanks to this technical solution, as applied to the first stage of a rocket during launch and its ascent, air from the surrounding atmosphere was exhausted by exhaust jets of the LRE into the interior of the tank.


        The stages of the N-1 rocket were interconnected by special transitional trusses through which gases could flow out absolutely freely in the event of a hot start of the engines of the next stages.


        Due to the inability to transport superheavy rocket stages by rail, the creators proposed that the outer shell of the N-1 be detachable, and its fuel tanks should be made from sheet blanks (“petals”) directly at the cosmodrome itself.


        A distinctive feature of the rocket was the mass return on payload, which was unique to Soviet missiles. The whole load-bearing circuit worked for this, in which the frame and tanks did not form a single whole. At the same time, a rather small layout area due to the use of large spherical tanks led to a decrease in payload, and on the other hand, extremely high engine characteristics, an extremely small specific gravity of the tanks and unique design solutions increased it.
        1. +2
          15 March 2016 23: 35
          Quote: kugelblitz
          Korolev was a genius!

          Who argues.
          But N-1 (and suspension tanks) is a rollback to the FAU-2.
          It may already hurt, or maybe (probably) the industry was not able to provide milled (waffle) carrier tanks for the heavy class LV, and both the Central Committee and the Americans hurried it
          Quote: kugelblitz
          steel original scheme with spherical hanging tanks, as well as supporting outer skin

          It's like comparing a frame SUV and a frameless one, frameless is 20% lighter, it also "eats" less fuel, the speed is 20% more, the acceleration is the same

          Quote: kugelblitz
          air from the surrounding atmosphere with exhaust jets of the LRE was evacuated into the interior under the tank.

          this is for everyone
          Quote: kugelblitz
          special transitional farms through which gases could flow out absolutely freely in the event of a hot start

          hot start was applied was SPK, just pts he didn’t have enough fuel, everyone chose the stages to dryness, and still there was not enough to deliver the required payload to the DOE.
          More hot split for manned launches neither before nor after not used, too much risk
          Quote: kugelblitz
          H-1 to perform detachable, and its fuel tanks to produce from sheet blanks ("petals") already directly at the spaceport itself.

          1.It was worth a LOT of money
          2. It is ineffective neither from the point of logistics, nor from the point of production, number of
          3. Collected "on the knee", by business trip specialists, in conditions in which they were not used to working (latitude, humidity, T ov) greatly influenced the quality of the product. Emergency launches are talking about it

          Quote: kugelblitz
          The whole load-bearing circuit worked for this, in which the frame and tanks did not form a single whole.


          The supporting circuit is a dead end, both in the automotive industry, and in aviation and space.
          Taurus, this is critical. The account goes to kilograms.
  3. +7
    13 March 2016 06: 40
    Why are there space systems. They can’t do a normal car. Everyone invites some Varangians, either outspoken spies or ordinary pests of the national economy. The economy of crazy clowns.
    1. +21
      13 March 2016 07: 03
      Quote: ICE
      Why are there space systems. They can’t do a normal car. Everyone invites some Varangians, either outspoken spies or ordinary pests of the national economy. The economy of crazy clowns.

      1988, somehow I participated in the launch of Buran as part of the duty shift of the CDKS - Evpatoria -19.
      26 years have passed !!!
      There was some euphoria, despite the fact that the first time the Buran did not take off (and the first test of Energy with a full-scale model was partially successful, due to the non-regular separation of the weight model) - well, that's not what I mean
      Even then, the officers said that this project of the USSR could not be pulled. It was a monstrous expense at that time.
      Well, in general, situational looks like this.
      Americans have already covered up the entire program. how they’ve exhausted themselves and do something, their shuttle flies in the machine for a year and a half (and the same thing that no one knows), launches as trucks, and soon the inhabited vehicles are produced by PRIVATE firms that were able to calmly create their own spaceports ( Hello to Vostochny - the most expensive spaceport in the world), and the whole chain from control to launch into orbit.
      And then all the smearing of something on the face.
      And we, we, we could, but as always, something got in the way.
      26 years have passed. 26 !!!!!
      What is now talking about Energy, it was good (apparently) in those realities, 26 years ago, and Buran was good.
      But now, this is yesterday, or rather, the day before yesterday.
      What to cry for spilled milk? Thinking and creating needs to be new and competitive today.
      Not that it seems to me that on one clear morning, the Americans will again launch something that everyone will understand who and what is dictating in space.
      1. +6
        13 March 2016 07: 59
        atalef - I welcome you, you have a good post and it was my pleasure to read my thoughts in your presentation ... There is a person working in my city who, like you, took part in the work on the ENERGY-BURAN launch pad (a successful person in his business).
        My subjective opinion: we woke up and a series of mutual "surprises" will go on increasing, but we will bring out the proliferated "worms" in all vectors in our country ... such a time, either we them, or they us.
      2. cap
        +3
        13 March 2016 08: 30
        Quote: atalef
        And then all the smearing of something on the face.
        And we, we, we could, but as always, something got in the way.
        26 years have passed. 26 !!!!!
        What is now talking about Energy, it was good (apparently) in those realities, 26 years ago, and Buran was good.
        But now, this is yesterday, or rather, the day before yesterday.
        What to cry for spilled milk? Thinking and creating needs to be new and competitive today.
        Not that it seems to me that on one clear morning, the Americans will again launch something that everyone will understand who and what is dictating in space.


        That's always the case. Such as you left, and what we do not know now.
        Probably wait for what the Americans will "dictate". Can Israel help get out of the situation?
        You there are former compatriots for a million. Their own party. Deputies in the Knesset. What are you waiting for? Join. Imagine the first person on Mars is an Israeli citizen. The second on the ladder, so be a Russian. We will wipe our nose off to the States. What do you say to that?
        1. +8
          13 March 2016 10: 50
          Quote: cap
          People like you have left, and we don’t know what to do now.

          And it’s very good that they left cleaner in our country.
          But in fact, precisely because of the different Yeltsins and his "gang" of Gaidars, Chubais, and Nemtsovs, Abramovich, we also lost Buran and almost ruined our space program and have lagged behind foreign developers in this area for decades.
          But I do not even doubt that we will catch up with them and how it was and we will break ahead the only thing that is required is to prevent thieves and traitors from coming to power anymore, like those who destroyed and dragged the USSR and everything that was created by its people.
        2. +1
          13 March 2016 12: 21
          Quote: cap
          Join us. Imagine the first person on Mars is an Israeli citizen.

          Already presented, the first question, why is there no water on Mars? laughing
          Quote: cap
          Morning nose to the States. What do you say to that?

          We will stand quietly on the sidelines, do we need it?
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    2. +2
      13 March 2016 11: 07
      Quote: ICE
      The economy of crazy clowns

      These crazy clowns grandmother do not have time to poke their pockets.
  4. 0
    13 March 2016 07: 32
    "..." Buran "was launched into space on a full-fledged heavy carrier with a thrust of 105 tons."
    What is it about? The total draft of Energy was 3200 tons, and the total weight in the refueling state was 2400 tons
  5. 0
    13 March 2016 07: 38
    many decisions were made in emergency mode

    This is the main reason that many of the achievements of our science and technology have not been claimed.
    The second reason: politicians made decisions on scientific and technical problems not always taking into account the opinions of specialists.
    Making a decision is easier than dissolving then its consequences ...
  6. cap
    +3
    13 March 2016 08: 17
    “A lot of things have survived, but also lost. For one of Energia-Buran's anniversaries, I was invited to give a report to employees of the Ministry of Defense. Even the oil used in the steering drives of engines can no longer be found, since the plant that made it no longer exists. And so on many positions. "
    There are no words for comment. Some exclamations am .
  7. +6
    13 March 2016 08: 22
    - Then the whole country worked on the project. Is co-operation of this magnitude at least possible now?

    - And here is the cooperation. Now the system is different. There was a single fist, only centralized power could do this. And there was a developed industrial state. What is being built at Vostochny Cosmodrome is ten times lighter than what we did, creating a launch complex for Energia. But we made both a starting position and all the huge infrastructure in three years!

    ______________
    A man with a capital letter, but how delicately described that cesspool that "build" in the Russian Federation, shit * you are from the authorities good
  8. +7
    13 March 2016 08: 26
    What is being built at Vostochny Cosmodrome is ten times lighter than what we did, creating a launch complex for Energia. But we made both a starting position and all the huge infrastructure in three years!
    Omdya, have come. But grandmothers, we learned to effectively cut and transfer to offshore.
    1. aba
      +1
      13 March 2016 13: 27
      But grandmothers, we learned to effectively cut and transfer to offshore.

      How is the classic?
      Oh times! Oh manners! (with)

      Modern domestic policy of Russia follows the global trend of creating a consumer society and in order to become a full member of it, you need a very, very much dough. That's all working to solve this problem.
  9. -2
    13 March 2016 08: 30
    You can’t enter the same river twice. Old developments can be used partially, but not copy. Chemical engines can no longer be improved. We need nuclear and other principles.
    1. +2
      13 March 2016 09: 43
      Quote: engineer
      You can’t enter the same river twice. Old developments can be used partially, but not copy.

      With our collapsed industry, not only entering the river, it is impossible to approach the bank. What kind of space systems are there, when a completely "terrestrial" Tu160 has been "copied" for 2-3 years, there is still another 10 years to wait and probably the glider will be mastered if the funds are not cut on the road.
    2. +2
      13 March 2016 11: 11
      These "old practices" did not even have time to master, and if you restart them, they will cover the entire spectrum of tasks facing our country with interest. Of modern systems, only electronics, communication and control systems have a fundamental superiority over the equipment of that time. In terms of engines and construction, we have now rolled back, or at best we are standing still.
      Replacing the equipment makes it possible not only to improve reliability, but also to increase the payload, and this experience already exists today with "digital" "Unions".
  10. +8
    13 March 2016 08: 57
    Start "Energia-Buran" on November 15, 1988.
  11. +12
    13 March 2016 09: 06
    Historical landing of "Buran" at Baikonur. Accompanied by a MiG-25, piloted by Magomed Tolboev.
  12. +6
    13 March 2016 09: 12
    Such articles are poorly covered - and what was a little lower ..
    Yes, our space industry degenerated first into a monster and then into a feeding trough.
    And that was already in Soviet times ...
    Here, for example, a pioneer camp was being built for us, it was being built for a long time - about ten years, so they didn’t build it in the end, but how many dachas were built for the authorities ..
    Workshop No. 30 (prototyping and initial testing), which was what I mainly dealt with - sharpened pitching pumps, spare parts for bosses' cars .. But who generally understands whether the prototyping stage is necessary? ..
    And what then was our thoughtful supply manager - imagine - there is shortage everywhere and he has space capabilities ..
    Somehow we bought a micro-casting installation (everything that was developed and made then had a body or "pans" or a thin-walled box - and the hard workers sharpened all this from large ingots of metal). The Chief Technologist looked at this miracle and ... immediately sold it to the side .. Space-space - and this is still the dream of every normal shopkeeper ..
    The culmination of all this was when they decided to create a center for the development of microcircuits (the second after NIIIT in IOM). A large amount of currency was knocked out under this business and purchased Western computer equipment .. Computers then - it was something fantastic ..
    40% of computers then went into rollbacks ..
    Immediately the son of the Chief Technologist came running. "Where are my personal 5-10%? .."
    And now that everything is divided and settled - the main thing is work! Slogan - Bet on the intellect of fools! (To put it more mildly, to random people from the "street", after all, the development of analog microcircuits is a task for the elite of developers) ..

    By the way - there is something to read, our then local "big leader" later suffered from graphomania and wrote a book.
    She is from the category ".. And try to find here at least one twist of minimal technical thought! .."
  13. -7
    13 March 2016 14: 30
    A separate conversation about the "bird", about the ship "Buran". Heat protection tiles with different characteristics ... There were so many problems with them. We, by the way, also flew tiles, but, fortunately, there were only three in those places where the heating did not exceed 900 degrees. Had it happened where the temperature reached 2000 degrees, the trouble would not be avoided, as happened with the shuttle Columbia.

    In principle, that not everything was as it should be, one could even understand from the short cut of the broadcast of 88, when a close-up of the ship's nose was shown as if briefly, and only to the right. But it was possible to discern any burn marks right on the nose. And now on the network you can find detailed information. To put it simply, he sat down full of holes and was very lucky that he sat down at all. Moreover, the main burn-out, as I understand the description, was on the left at the root of the wing, so it’s clear why the ship was shown only on the right. At the start of the camera, they saw ice falling from Energy, just like before the Columbia disaster later. Probably informed people already realized that this ship would not be able to fly. Likely and refused new flights, including because of this. But, of course, all technologies should not be lost, but it was necessary to use them for a more sane reusable ship. The chaos of the 90s played an evil role.
    1. +3
      13 March 2016 15: 31
      Quote: Falcon5555
      In principle, that not everything was as it should be, one could even understand from the short cut of the broadcast of 88, when a close-up of the ship's nose was shown as if briefly, and only to the right. But it was possible to discern any burn marks right on the nose. And now on the network you can find detailed information. To put it simply, he sat down full of holes and was very lucky that he sat down at all. Moreover, the main burn-out, as I understand the description, was on the left at the root of the wing, so it’s clear why the ship was shown only on the right. At the start of the camera, they saw ice falling from Energy, just like before the Columbia disaster later. Probably informed people already realized that this ship would not be able to fly. Likely and refused new flights, including because of this. But, of course, all technologies should not be lost, but it was necessary to use them for a more sane reusable ship. The chaos of the 90s played an evil role.


      Basically, you lied about everything you could lie about. To your argument about "TV broadcasting on the right", one can only say that it happened by chance - the Buran should have landed with the other side to the operator, but the weather prevented, you know, a strong crosswind forced you to go out almost across the runway and perform a regular maneuver. In fact, there are no "burnouts" on the nose in the video from the word "absolutely" and even more so "holes" in the wing and in the glider. There were defects on the heat-shielding coating itself. The thermal protection of the LV tank was many times better than that of the Americans, there is a training film about this. Then the Americans acquired the glue technology from us, which kept the heat shield. As for the notorious "closure" of the program - it stopped by itself - all the cooperation in creating the product collapsed as a result of the destruction of the state.
      1. -7
        13 March 2016 16: 22
        Strictly. Very strict.
        The operator, you say, was accidentally on the right? OK. And that, on the other hand, there was no operator? Why so? .. They spent so much money, but they did not think to put a banal TV camera. And after landing, take the camera and go around the ship from all sides? Somehow they probably didn't think about it, right? As if this was not an epoch-making event, but the visit of the secretary of the N-district party committee to the workers of the local brewery. They filmed five seconds for the local TV protocol and moved on to the next story. Burnouts, say no from the word "absolutely", but there are defects. I risk running into rudeness, but let me ask you, what is the word for "defects"? If everything is so strict ... The program somehow strangely stopped "by itself", three years before the collapse of the state. Has she looked into the future? How thoughtful.
        1. +3
          14 March 2016 03: 46
          Quote: Falcon5555
          Strictly. Very strict.
          The operator, you say, was accidentally on the right? OK. And that, on the other hand, there was no operator? Why so? .. They spent so much money, but they did not think to put a banal TV camera. And after landing, take the camera and go around the ship from all sides? Somehow they probably didn't think about it, right? As if this was not an epoch-making event, but the visit of the secretary of the N-district party committee to the workers of the local brewery. They filmed five seconds for the local TV protocol and moved on to the next story. Burnouts, say no from the word "absolutely", but there are defects. I risk running into rudeness, but let me ask you, what is the word for "defects"? If everything is so strict ... The program somehow strangely stopped "by itself", three years before the collapse of the state. Has she looked into the future? How thoughtful.


          For those who are in the tank - if not in the subject, then it is most useful not to talk nonsense. The correspondent was reporting on TV and he had one operator, at that time it was impossible to do more in those places. After landing, they not only walked around and filmed everything, but also interviewed various comrades. If you haven't seen this video, then these are your problems. Now, regarding the damage to the tiles - they are "soft" enough to get surface defects, by the way, they got most of them at the stage of removal, got smoked when separating the parablocks, but this does not mean at all that they, as you may say, "burned out" , yes, of course, 2 pairs of tiles were torn off by the stream, some of them just cracked, but at the same "shuttle" its "mats" were torn off abruptly. According to the dates, you are again "unsuccessful" - the program has not yet been closed, but it stopped in 1992, when the second OK was practically prepared for launching.
          1. -2
            15 March 2016 16: 59
            This is even stricter. I even foresaw that I would run into rudeness, and now - it happened. But you, grave, calm down. You are absolutely right in one thing: for those who are in the tank, if not in the subject, it is most useful not to talk nonsense. Then I really allowed myself to put punctuation marks differently and edit something, so that it would not be as tongue-tied as in a tank. Yes, so, if someone from the tank starts to convince me that it was impossible to have a second operator on the Buran landing, then I do not agree. You are probably quite bad. It occurred to you maybe because the second operator will not fit into the tank. But the tank thinks poorly, you see, what a thing.
            I would dare to recommend a curiosity on the Internet. Shooting of the landing from different points is available there, that is, there were several cameras, although for some reason everything was on the right.
            Unfortunately, I have not found the "Time" program for that day now, although it seems to have caught my eye before. But I had the opportunity to contemplate it in the original in 88. Of course, you can forget the details, but in my opinion everything was exactly as I said - a short report, like a visit to a brewery. But the burnt nose got into the frame. Burn marks were noticeable.
            But there was a report from 24.11.88/4/XNUMX, this is about a week later. Such an entertaining reportage, as if in the hospital style of modern state channels. Like everything is calm, everything is according to plans. Like psychiatrists with patients. That day the Union with the French was launched. So the French complained that we, in the West, talk about Buran more than you do. How so? "Calm down", - as if (I reproduce not literally) the reporter replies either to the French, or calms the Soviet TV viewers, whom he apparently considers feeble-minded - "everything is going according to plan. Here he is, Buran. See, how confident!" And then some nervous person (not at all so confident), according to the credits, the chief designer Semyonov (and I thought that the chief was Lozinsky), admits that there were defects in the tiles, and then it is explained that XNUMX did not return from the flight at all and one such a place on the tail is shown in close-up.
            So everything is confirmed. The ship returned leaky, that is, with a leaky main heat-shielding coating, but might not have returned, which, incidentally, is confirmed by the author of this article from above, and what happened next to Colombia. If you do not agree with this, then this is your problem.
            1. 0
              17 March 2016 00: 04
              Yes, the main problem was the discharge on the nose cone - if the smoldering had turned avalanche - it would have been blown up like Colombia. At the same time, the ship was empty - only telemetry devices.
  14. 0
    13 March 2016 17: 06
    It is possible to revive the carrier, there would be a desire, but there are opportunities. They did the hangar. Not all, but already flying
  15. +1
    13 March 2016 18: 48
    Now the system is different. There was a single fist, only centralized power could do this. And there was a developed industrial state. What is being built at Vostochny Cosmodrome is ten times lighter than what we did, creating a launch complex for Energia. But we made both a starting position and all the huge infrastructure in three years!
    AND EVERYTHING .. Nothing to add - everything is clear without unnecessary words.
    And the "above" understand this very well. But now they have different tasks: fill their own pocket! The interests of capital are above the interests of the state. Because what kind of revival are we talking about ?! At Roskosmos, everyone has already decided: "We are continuing to develop the Angara! Of course, it will not drain the drain like Energia - but you can knock out more money for it!"
    1. 0
      April 9 2016 20: 40
      Quote: avia1991
      Now the system is different. There was a single fist, only centralized power could do this. And there was a developed industrial state. What is being built at Vostochny Cosmodrome is ten times lighter than what we did, creating a launch complex for Energia. But we made both a starting position and all the huge infrastructure in three years!
      AND EVERYTHING .. Nothing to add - everything is clear without unnecessary words.
      And the "above" understand this very well. But now they have different tasks: fill their own pocket! The interests of capital are above the interests of the state. Because what kind of revival are we talking about ?! At Roskosmos, everyone has already decided: "We are continuing to develop the Angara! Of course, it will not drain the drain like Energia - but you can knock out more money for it!"

      Yes sir! After all, the "cut" scheme has already been worked out! To work out a new one - there is a lot of doubt and trouble ...
  16. 0
    13 March 2016 19: 33
    The next stage after Buran-Energy was to become MAX. MAX is a cross between a plane and a rocket, but everything has dried up in the midst of Perestroika. I hope to return to MAX. There is no sense to Energy anymore - this is old stuff, that is, yesterday.
  17. +1
    13 March 2016 19: 46
    Quote: atalef
    What is now talking about Energy, it was good (apparently) in those realities, 26 years ago, and Buran was good.
    But now, this is yesterday, or rather, the day before yesterday.

    She would be very good now, but it’s really late to return now. And without a heavy carrier, there will be no practical space exploration.
    If we do it "ahead of the curve" today, then we need a carrier based on a nuclear reactor. This was known and that, but then there was no today's experience of operating compact nuclear reactors and today's experience with plasma. Today it is possible.
    Here you just need to forget as a nightmare the idea of ​​"self-sufficiency" for space. Technological superiority cannot be directly assessed in terms of money; it is power, power that allows you to dictate your terms.
    Simply put, anyone higher in orbit is right, he has more rights. ;)
    1. 0
      13 March 2016 22: 44
      Are you going to launch a rocket into orbit with vigorous dvigunami too?
  18. 0
    13 March 2016 20: 07
    I remember all GIPH personnel were given personal certificates as participants in the Energy-Buran program. It’s a pity that I was lost due to numerous transfers.
  19. 0
    14 March 2016 03: 57
    Quote: Yugan Oleg
    The next stage after Buran-Energy was to become MAX. MAX is a cross between a plane and a rocket, but everything has dried up in the midst of Perestroika. I hope to return to MAX. There is no sense to Energy anymore - this is old stuff, that is, yesterday.


    To MAX, in the form he thought not to return, the closest similar project was the Clipper, which was abandoned in favor of the "lunar" PTK NP. On the "wreckage of Energy" are going to create "Phoenix"
  20. +2
    14 March 2016 12: 16
    It’s no sense that it’s from the lunar program. If we talk about science and fly somewhere, then we must do it without show-offs and senseless race for the championship. If about commercial loads, then the vast majority of the goods needed for the case easily fit into the carrying capacity of a Proton or Union. In my opinion, it was necessary to select, on a competitive basis, a system from different launch vehicles and bring it to perfection. And so the whole story was in the development of new systems, termination of programs and the beginning of others. Now they were tormenting the Angara, and without completing the work to the end, they were already sick, that other missile launch systems will be developed. The USSR did not count money, but at least they were, and now why?
    1. 0
      15 March 2016 02: 49
      Quote: dvvv
      It’s no sense that it’s from the lunar program. If we talk about science and fly somewhere, then we must do it without show-offs and senseless race for the championship.


      The Energia-Buran complex was created as a direct, but the best in terms of technical characteristics, response to the Space Shuttle military program (only the destruction of the Challenger MTKK forced the American military to look differently at the shuttle operation) and by its creation showed that the USSR could provide an adequate the answer to the "Star Wars" program nurtured at that time, overseas, or have you already forgotten about that powerful propaganda in the Western media on this topic? What is the race for the championship? most likely it was catching up :). Although it was so dispersed that then for another 20 years the Russian cosmonautics lived on the reserve.

      Quote: dvvv
      If about commercial loads, then the vast majority of the goods needed for the case easily fit into the carrying capacity of a Proton or Union. In my opinion, it was necessary to select, on a competitive basis, a system from different launch vehicles and bring it to perfection. And so the whole story was in the development of new systems, termination of programs and the beginning of others.


      They fit, but without a significant increase in capabilities and only because there are no carriers of a large carrying capacity. And as for the competition - there was also a competition - when a replacement for Proton was chosen - Angara won, and the fact that the new well and the country is new - a different approach to business, pragmatic.

      Quote: dvvv
      Now they were tormenting the Angara, and without completing the work to the end, they were already sick, that other missile launch systems will be developed. The USSR did not count money, but at least they were, and now why?


      The development of that "Angara", which flew the year before last, actually began only in 2006. This is when money appeared in the industry. The very concept of the versatility of the RN line is revolutionary, but doubly revolutionary in that it was implemented in metal. Since, in essence, there can be no universal steps, it is connected with a number of technical points on which I will not emphasize, this is not the point. But, through various compromises, it was still possible to implement this concept, IMHO. Of course, it is still only testing, there has been no real operation yet, but ...

      1. In Omsk, on "Flight", a new production is organized. There are 3 products in stock, two of which will be ready at the end of this year and at the beginning of the next. For a larger serial production, it is required to wait for an increase in the workshop area, and construction is underway.

      2. With this launch vehicle, in its basic design, we close the era of using highly toxic fuel at the first stages. Stop flying the stinker, so to speak.

      3. We get the carrier at a cost, in the future, comparable, or even cheaper than today's "Proton". This will primarily be associated with the mass production of the same type of URM blocks.

      4 .... 5 .... etc. Here you can write a lot of things, not to mention the possibility of upgrading this carrier for 38 tons in advance in the design in advance 5O. That will allow to smoothly increase the weight of monitors on satellites.

      That's all for the question "why".

      Well, the Moon and other planets will certainly become much closer :) since this carrier in the near future will allow the development of new technologies in interplanetary flights, including manned ones.
  21. +1
    14 March 2016 12: 36
    ... the main result of all our work on the Energy-Buran project can be considered the fact that we showed the Americans


    That is the reason for the collapse of the Union. Americans (and everyone else) strive to live better. Russian people seek to show Americans
    1. +3
      15 March 2016 02: 59
      Quote: Russian dream
      ... the main result of all our work on the Energy-Buran project can be considered the fact that we showed the Americans


      That is the reason for the collapse of the Union. Americans (and everyone else) strive to live better. Russian people seek to show Americans


      The reason for the collapse of the Union is the betrayal of its people by the country's highest governing nomenclature. No need to juggle, here you are not here. If you are personally going to show something to someone, then this is your own personal and deeply intimate affair. And Russian people, if they strive for something, then only for justice.
  22. 0
    16 March 2016 22: 38
    Glushko, as B.E. wrote Chertok refused to make engines for N-1 on kerosene, for several reasons. The main, obviously disastrous timing for the start of carrier testing. To create an engine with the necessary characteristics on kerosene in these terms was unrealistic. And, since there were engines in the first stage ... I don’t remember, 36 it seems, and each one can destroy a rocket by itself, Glushko did not want to become a scapegoat. Yes, they didn’t give money for the fire test stand for the first stage :) I would also refuse.