Indian aircraft building program news

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India is currently developing its armed forces, including updating the naval fleet. An important element in the development of the Navy is the aircraft carrier construction program. In the future, it is planned to build new aircraft carriers that can increase the combat power of the fleet. Recently, several domestic and foreign media appeared Newsrevealing the plans of the Indian command regarding the construction of new aircraft carriers and the further fate of the existing ships.

In late February, the British edition of The Times reported that the command of the Indian Navy decided on its plans for the INS Viraat aircraft carrier. This ship was built in the UK at the end of the fifties under the name HMS Hermes, and in the mid-eighties it was handed over to the Indian fleet. Due to the great age of this aircraft carrier can no longer continue full service, because of what the Indian military department has been making further plans for the past few years. In late February, new information appeared on the alleged fate of the ship.

In the foreseeable future, the aircraft carrier INS Viraat will be decommissioned and rebuilt. After repair and modernization, the warship will become a floating hotel. As part of the conversion project, an 500 hotel room, restaurants, a nightclub and other tourist facilities will appear on board the aircraft carrier. According to some reports, the conversion of the ship will cost about 115-120 million dollars. The timing of the start of such work and the approximate time of introduction of the floating hotel into operation has not yet been specified.


The possible appearance of the aircraft carrier INS Vishal. Figure Bmpd.livejournal.com


Also at the end of February there were regular reports about India’s plans to build new ships with aviation group on board. According to last year’s news, the Indian naval forces want to get a ship with a displacement of about 65 thousand tons, 300 m long and 70 m wide. The proposal to equip such a ship with a nuclear power plant is very popular among fleet leaders, although so far, according to some reports , the use of other units is not excluded. The most important feature of a possible tender will be the conditions for the construction of a new ship. The aircraft carrier project should be submitted by foreign companies, but the construction of an aircraft carrier must be carried out at Indian shipyards.

According to the foreign press, the promising aircraft carrier will be named INS Vishal and will remain in service for about 50 years. It is precisely such planned lifetimes that led to the emergence of a proposal to use a nuclear power plant. Nevertheless, such questions still seem to be unresolved and the final appearance of the ship has not yet been formed. There is also no information about the completion of work on the formation of requirements for the composition of the aviation group.

It is reported that the aircraft carrier "Vishal" will have to carry up to 54 aircraft of various types for different purposes. The specific composition of the air group, for obvious reasons, has not yet been determined. Moreover, the Indian military may face some difficulties in resolving this issue. So, it is known about the plans for the unification of carrier-based aircraft with the existing types of aviation equipment of the air force and naval forces. Thus, the circle of applicants is narrowed, but in the future the situation may change.

The Russian MiG-29К / KUB and Dassault Rafale M. fighter jets can be considered as a potential payload for the INS Vishal aircraft carrier. The French edition of TTU writes that at the end of January, a high-ranking French delegation visited India in order to offer the Navy command a deck version of the Rafale fighter. How successful were the visit and negotiations within its framework is not specified.

Data on the alleged appearance of a promising aircraft carrier for the Indian Navy has not yet received official confirmation. In addition, the Indian Ministry of Defense has not yet announced the launch of a tender for the development of its project. Thus, the terms of reference may still be at the stage of formation, with corresponding consequences for the further course of work. Nevertheless, the lack of full-fledged documents and the decision on the official start of work did not prevent the appearance of very interesting publications in the press.

1 March, the Russian edition of Izvestia reported on the possible outcome of the future tender. The publication reminds that the United States and France are participating in the future tender for the development of a new aircraft carrier for India. At the same time, however, the Indian military tend to choose the Russian proposal. It is argued that the Russian 23000 project "Storm" proposed by the Krylov State Research Center could become the basis for the new Indian aircraft carrier. Information about this project, as well as the mock-up of the ship, were first presented to the general public last year at the Army-2015 forum. For obvious reasons, the 23000E project is so far only a reason for numerous discussions and disputes.

According to published data, the project "Storm" involves the construction of a ship with a displacement of 100 thousand tons in length about 300 m and width 40 m. Such dimensions will allow the ship to take on board up to hundreds of aircraft of various classes and types. For flights, aircraft will be able to use the bow springboard and the corner deck, equipped with four starting positions. The ship is proposed to equip the boiler-turbine or nuclear power plant.

It is reported that one of the main advantages of the Russian project, in comparison with foreign offers, is the developer’s willingness to transfer to the customer all the necessary technologies. The Indian leadership is currently implementing the “Made in India” program, which aims to maximize the localization of the production of important products in their own enterprises. In this case, Russia is said to be able to transfer to the Indian side all the necessary documentation and technology for the construction of an aircraft carrier.

Other potential bidders, the United States and France, have some problems in this regard. Thus, the United States rarely transfer licenses for the production of complex equipment. A similar approach has been practiced by France, which has been arguing with the Indian military about the construction of Rafale fighters for the Indian Air Force for several years now. The Indian side wants to get documentation and technologies that will allow it to build airplanes on its own, and France does not intend to cooperate in this way.

It cannot be ruled out that further events will develop precisely as predicted by Izvestia, but the situation around the program of building new aircraft carriers is rather complicated and is unlikely to lead to the required results quickly and simply. Construction of the next aircraft carrier is planned from the end of the last decade, but until recently, no real progress in this matter has been observed. Only in July, 2015, India sent a request for the conditions of construction of a new aircraft carrier. This document was received by Russia (Rosoboronexport), the USA (Lockheed Martin), France (DCNS) and the United Kingdom (BAE Systems). At the same time, the approximate parameters of the required aircraft carrier became known: the displacement 65 thousand tons, the length of the order of 300 m and the possibility of equipping a nuclear power plant.

What documents India received as a result of its request is still unknown. In addition, there are no reliable data on the progress of the analysis of proposals. Thus, the Indian military could already make a choice, but so far it is not amusing to announce it. It should also be noted that an official tender has not yet been launched, on the results of which a corresponding contract will be signed. Why India is slow in carrying out the most important stages of preparation for construction is not completely clear.

Due to the lack of complete information, it remains only to speculate. At the same time, a superficial consideration of the issue can lead to a conclusion about the plausibility of the Izvestia forecast. Russia in the current situation really has a good chance of obtaining a future contract. This, above all, will contribute to the existing policy of supplying equipment and the provision of various technologies.

Recall that the UK simply does not have the technology of building ships with nuclear power plants. The United States chooses not to share the critical technologies that can take them out of the competition. Thus, the main claimants to the contract are Russia and France, which are ready not only to present the project, but also to share some technologies. Interestingly, as a result of the original Indian approach to the construction of machinery, both countries can receive a contract.

Thus, the portal “Protect Russia” notes that in recent years, India has been practicing a “synthetic” approach to the construction of aircraft carriers. For example, the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya was built in Russia and equipped with Russian equipment, as well as armed with MiG aircraft. In this case, in the near future they will install Israeli-made anti-aircraft complexes.


Under construction aircraft carrier "Vikrant"? June 2015 g. Photo by Wikimedia Commons


From this point of view, the INS Vikrant ship, which is currently under construction, is even more interesting. Its hull was designed in Italy, the engines were supplied by the United States, the electronics were made by Italian and Israeli companies, Russia is responsible for the aircraft, helicopters and auxiliary equipment for their operation, and various types of air defense systems are supplied by several countries at once. Finally, the assembly of all systems into a single unit is carried out at the Indian shipbuilding plant. The result of this unusual approach should be a modern aircraft carrier with a fairly high performance.

Recalling this approach, the authors of the Protect Russia portal suggest that the new aircraft carrier INS Vihsal may be the result of the joint work of several countries. It is quite likely that they called the development of ship design by French industry using a Russian power plant based on a nuclear reactor. It should be noted, Russia and France, for well-known reasons, are the main contenders for the supply of aircraft and, as a result, the aircraft’s aircraft equipment.

A separate question - the timing of the construction of a new ship. It is currently planned that Vishal will start service in 2025. At the moment, such assumptions are confirmed only indirectly. So, before 2020, the Indian fleet should receive the aircraft carrier "Vikrant", after which the industry will be able to focus on building the next ship of this class. In addition, the development of the project takes a lot of time, which also does not allow to complete the construction program relatively quickly.

It should also be borne in mind that at present Indian specialists are working with the submitted documentation from companies from four countries, but so far they are not in a hurry to announce the start of the tender. This may also affect the construction time of the ship. Another factor negatively affecting the timing of the start of construction, may be delaying negotiations with contractors associated with different plans and wishes.

India intends to develop its aircraft carrier fleet, as well as support the industry and increase its potential. It is proposed to implement such plans with the assistance of third countries. In the context of the construction of a new aircraft carrier Vishal, foreign assistance will consist in the development of the project and assistance in setting up the production of necessary components in Indian enterprises. As a result, the Indian Navy will receive a new ship with an aviation group, and the industry will master the independent construction of such equipment. Obviously, the current program will continue over the next few years, but this does not mean that it is of no interest and should not be followed.


On the materials of the sites:
http://thetimes.co.uk/
http://ttu.fr/
http://izvestia.ru/
http://defendingrussia.ru/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
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  1. +2
    10 March 2016 07: 30
    Some guesses so far. Indians are famous for their ability to confuse the situation to the point of absurdity, and then heroically extricate themselves from it. Something like that happened with the tender for the supply of "Rafale". On the one hand, generals are people too, they have understandable weaknesses in the form of disinterested love for banknotes, on the other hand, unaffordable prices for foreign products. Plus the ineradicable eastern habit of endless bargaining, because otherwise it is not interesting to do business.
    In short, everything is complicated there. Even the submitted projects will not bring final clarity to the results of the competition, they will think for a long time.
    1. 0
      11 March 2016 01: 10
      The admirals of the Indian Navy, too, and England had to throw off their old trash somewhere - to India for a double rollback or to Bangladesh for butchering nearby - there is a difference, although not much.
  2. -5
    10 March 2016 07: 43
    It is reported that one of the main advantages of the Russian project, in comparison with foreign offers, is the developer’s willingness to transfer all the necessary technologies to the customer.

    All technologies remained at ChSZ in Nikolaev.

    Recall that the UK simply does not have the technology of building ships with nuclear power plants. The United States chooses not to share the critical technologies that can take them out of the competition. Thus, the main claimants to the contract are Russia and France, which are ready not only to present the project, but also to share some technologies. Interestingly, as a result of the original Indian approach to the construction of machinery, both countries can receive a contract.

    What didn’t stop the Indians from buying the project from ... Italians and then with the thread on a thread:
    Its body was designed in Italy, the engines were supplied by the United States, the electronics were manufactured by Italian and Israeli companies, Russia is responsible for the planes, helicopters and auxiliary equipment for their operation, and air defense systems of various types are supplied by several countries at once.


    India will order an aircraft carrier from those who offer them more. Clean business and no politics.
    1. -17
      10 March 2016 08: 06
      What nonsense! Why India needs aircraft carriers? Why is it better than the Soviet Union or Russia?
    2. +5
      10 March 2016 08: 14
      Quote: professor
      All technologies remained at ChSZ in Nikolaev.

      Firstly, not all. Secondly, those that remained long ago rotted, or were stolen by ferrous metal. Thirdly, there are already new technologies on the NSR. Gorshkov was rebuilt almost anew.
      1. -1
        10 March 2016 08: 20
        1. Almost all.
        2. Technologies cannot be turned over to ferrous metal as it is a set of methods, processes and materials used in any industry, as well as a scientific description of the methods of technical production.
        3. Do not confuse the building with an upgrade. Otherwise, Aslan, like BMW, became a great auto builder. wink
        1. +9
          10 March 2016 09: 14
          Quote: professor
          1. Almost all.

          Come on? The whole union was built. What are there wildly unique technologies at ChSZ? Electronics is not ChSZ. SAM, URO, radar, GAS - not ChSZ. Steam producers and turbines - Peter, not ChSZ. Nuclear power is not a ChSZ. Missiles are not ChSZ. Aircraft - Design Bureau Sukhoi, Kamov, MiG - not ChSZ. Aerofinisher - not ChSZ.
          What about ChSZ? Assembly of metal structures and large sections. Do not tell me, they knew how and how to do it on the NSR, and the NSR’s productivity is no less than the ChSZ - the submarines flew like pies. My relatives work on the NSR and Zvezdochka.
          Quote: professor
          2. Technologies cannot be turned over to ferrous metal
          Well, then it’s a waste, if you are talking about technological process cards on a blueprint. I still found them in the pre-computer era. ChSZ is almost dead. Unlike NSR and asterisks.
          Quote: professor
          3. Do not confuse the building with an upgrade

          Oh well. Upgrade Youth, stylish, affordable. Ok, let the upgrade.
          1. -6
            10 March 2016 09: 45
            Quote: Alex_59
            Come on? The whole union was built. What are there wildly unique technologies at ChSZ? Electronics is not ChSZ. SAM, URO, radar, GAS - not ChSZ. Steam producers and turbines - Peter, not ChSZ. Nuclear power is not a ChSZ. Missiles are not ChSZ. Aircraft - Design Bureau Sukhoi, Kamov, MiG - not ChSZ. Aerofinisher - not ChSZ.
            What about ChSZ? Assembly of metal structures and large sections. Do not tell me, they knew how and how to do it on the NSR, and the NSR’s productivity is no less than the ChSZ - the submarines flew like pies. My relatives work on the NSR and Zvezdochka.

            Yes. The whole Union participated, and built ChSZ. The whole building is ChSZ. Even chains, anchors and furniture of ChSZ. Electronics is better not to remember. It was ancient in life, but now that electronics is not relevant at all. Hindus have a place to get a replacement. There was no nuclear reactor at all. Indians buy turbines from Ukraine, not from you. Armament is also no longer relevant. Indians do not need this weapon. They have an alternative.
            You do not compare submarines with aircraft carriers. North Korea really stamps the submarine like pies (Russia doesn’t smoke on the sidelines), but the aircraft carrier cannot pull it. Maybe cranes with a lifting capacity of 900 tons each appeared on the NSR?
            Glad for your relatives. I myself took practice at ChSZ.


            Quote: Alex_59
            Well, then it’s a waste, if you are talking about technological process cards on a blueprint. I still found them in the pre-computer era. ChSZ is almost dead. Unlike NSR and asterisks.

            Maybe so, but this technology did not migrate from Nikolaev to St. Petersburg. Most likely they are simply lost.
            1. +3
              10 March 2016 10: 54
              Quote: professor
              The whole building is ChSZ. Even chains, anchors and furniture of ChSZ.
              Well yes.
              Quote: professor
              Indians buy urbine from Ukraine, not from you
              Is it their gas turbine chtoli? GTZA for KTU was done in St. Petersburg, like PPU. At least for 1143. If the Indians have not GTU, but GTU, then there is a choice, you can buy from Ukraine and the USA.
              Quote: professor
              Armament is also no longer relevant.
              Here I strongly disagree. We are not talking about the weapons that were delivered to ChSZ, but about the ones that are now.
              Quote: professor
              You do not compare submarines with aircraft carriers.
              The nuclear submarine of the 941 project is no simpler than an aircraft carrier in construction. So you better not compare North Korean diesels (which the NSR has not been building for a long time) with atomic 955, 949 and 885.

              Quote: professor
              Maybe cranes with 900 tonne capacity each appeared on the NSR?
              Not. But I suspect that at ChSZ these cranes are no longer a cake. To medium sea tankers to rivet these cranes they do not need.
              Quote: professor
              Maybe so, but this technology did not migrate from Nikolaev to St. Petersburg. Most likely they are simply lost.
              Duck technology for what? Assembly buildings? ChSZ had some secret know-how, inaccessible to the NSR and other CVDs? Except cranes and a zero slipway? Here in Krasnoye Sormovo there was a unique technology for assembling strong titanium cases - yes, it is a unique technology. The point is not in the case, but in the filling. And her ChSZ got ready for installation.
              1. +2
                10 March 2016 11: 58
                We started talking about technology, and went into the forest.
                1. There are more than enough people who want to put the SU for the Indians.
                2. There are more than enough people wishing to supply weapons to the Indians. They stand in line.
                3. Native Indians now build themselves. Now they decided to do the aircraft carrier. What will be the quality? Hindu, with all the consequences ...
                4. Finnish cranes at ChSZ are still functioning. Large-section shipbuilding reduces the cost of the project whether it is a tanker or an aircraft carrier.

                Quote: Alex_59
                Duck technology for what? Assembly buildings? ChSZ had some secret know-how, inaccessible to the NSR and other CVDs? Except for cranes and a zero slipway?

                Construction of aircraft carriers, CEP. wink For example, the manufacture and installation of large sections, welding of an armor belt and even a pile of little things that make up know-how and skill. The same Kuzya was not built from scratch, but trained long and tediously on the previous "aircraft carriers". Your effective managers somehow decided that converting Gorshkov into an aircraft carrier for the Indians was a trifle, but in practice it took twice as much time and money and, most importantly, a tarnished reputation.

                Quote: Alex_59
                Here in Krasnoye Sormovo there was a unique technology for assembling strong titanium cases - yes, it is a unique technology.

                This has nothing to do with an aircraft carrier.

                Quote: Alex_59
                The point is not in the case, but in the filling. And her ChSZ got ready for installation.

                Not certainly in that way. This shipyard receives everything from the outside and only collects the ship. ChSZ was shipbuilding FACTORY with a staff of 40.
                1. +2
                  10 March 2016 12: 19
                  Quote: professor
                  4. Finnish cranes at ChSZ are still functioning.
                  This is good.
                  Quote: professor
                  Your effective managers somehow decided that converting Gorshkov into an aircraft carrier for the Indians was a couple of nonsense, but in practice it took twice as much time and money and, most importantly, an tarnished reputation.

                  Not that I was very worried about our managers, but your words sound somewhat arrogant. As if the failure of deadlines and some damage to the reputation is a purely our managerial feature. Everyone happens. In the end, they did it all the same - there is a result. So, no matter how sticking in your words between the lines, allusions to the fact that Russia pro *** all polymers are not quite so.
                  1. +1
                    10 March 2016 13: 54
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Not that I was very worried about our managers, but your words sound somewhat arrogant.

                    So I was misunderstood. Shipbuilding is a difficult, complex and risky activity which must be treated with due respect. Happily, nothing happens there.

                    Quote: Alex_59
                    As if the failure of deadlines and some damage to the reputation is a purely our managerial feature. Everyone happens. In the end, they did it all the same - there is a result.

                    It happens to everyone, but in this case your blundered.

                    Quote: Alex_59
                    So, no matter how sticking in your words between the lines, allusions to the fact that Russia pro *** all polymers are not quite so.

                    I didn’t say that. The story of Gorshkov, to put it mildly, does not contribute to the positive business image of your shipbuilders in the eyes of the Indians.

                    Quote: goose
                    What? The delays were due to the Indians, who insisted on remaking the KTU for their bricks, because of which, in fact, everything later covered itself.

                    They think differently.
                    1. 0
                      10 March 2016 14: 04
                      Quote: professor
                      The story of Gorshkov, to put it mildly, does not contribute to the positive business image of your shipbuilders in the eyes of the Indians.
                      You can’t even imagine how the story with many other ships does not contribute to the business image of the Indians :-) For example, the 877ECM that they managed to burn and drown at the pier. The wife’s brother from Zvezdochka went to them for maintenance. It’s hard to work with them. As in a joke - I lost one ball, I broke the second. Although the guys are friendly.
                      1. +1
                        10 March 2016 14: 17
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        You can’t even imagine how the story with many other ships does not contribute to the business image of the Indians :-) For example, the 877ECM that they managed to burn and drown at the pier. The wife’s brother from Zvezdochka went to them for maintenance. It’s hard to work with them. As in a joke - I lost one ball, I broke the second. Although the guys are friendly.

                        I have been working with Indians for a long time and have been there. True, I’ve been working more closely with the Chinese lately. Both those and other inveterate slobs, but as clients they take out seven souls and their demands are as if they are Swiss, well, or at least pedantic Germans. So when choosing a supplier, they will not look at their paws, but only at the blunders of others. In this case, the story of Gorshkov.
                    2. +3
                      10 March 2016 14: 29
                      Quote: professor
                      The story of Gorshkov, to put it mildly, does not contribute to the positive business image of your shipbuilders in the eyes of the Indians.

                      I wonder why? They ordered the modernization - they received the modernization exactly in the volumes they ordered. They wanted to save money - they got a modernized, but non-operational ship.
                      If a client, wanting to get a moped from a bicycle, does not want to give money for the engine, limiting himself only to changing the rear-view mirror, he should not complain that he will have to pedal
                      1. -3
                        10 March 2016 14: 31
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I wonder why?

                        Did you receive it on time and for the agreed money or did they have to "wait" and "pay extra"? In India, they also remember how their military representative was framed.
                      2. 0
                        10 March 2016 15: 32
                        Quote: professor
                        In India, they also remember how their military representative was framed.
                        What is it like? What is the story?
                      3. -1
                        10 March 2016 16: 40
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        What is it like? What is the story?

                        Your special services put a woman on him and then, as in a textbook ... wink
                      4. +1
                        10 March 2016 22: 18
                        Quote: professor
                        Your special services put a woman on him and then, as in a textbook ...
                        What do you mean "planted a woman"? They will put a woman under you - your actions? If you yourself are just waiting for where to find a woman who will lie down, then you will not have to twist your hands. And if not, then you will not put it in any way. I don't want to, period! So what to be offended at? The fact that the military representative of low moral and political qualities lies with the women instead of work? It is necessary to take offense at the mirror. Look, Shenderovich was burnt with a young lady in a brothel, all the liberals were buzzing "oh damn special services!" Duck, don't go to the brothels, it's business!
                      5. +2
                        11 March 2016 07: 50
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        What do you mean "planted a woman"?

                        That’s what it means. He is certainly not a saint, but it cost him a career, and you have a reputation. Have you heard about a similar case in Germany? And why?

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You might think you are not up to date with this story. The Indians once again tried to creep into the freebie, where it is possible and where it is impossible to cut repair estimates. Well, and who was deceived? Themselves except that.

                        Of course in the know. The product cost them much more than was indicated in the contract and the deadlines were postponed many times.

                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Anchor chains were bought in Germany.

                        Maybe in Kiev and in Germany, but on Kuzya they poured on ChSZ itself.

                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        That's why they and special services ...

                        No need to come across. That is the incident.
                      6. +2
                        10 March 2016 20: 39
                        Quote: professor
                        Did they receive it on time and for the agreed money, or did they have to "wait" and "pay extra"?

                        You might think you are not up to date with this story. The Indians once again tried to creep into the freebie, where it is possible and where it is impossible to cut repair estimates. Well, and who was deceived? Themselves except that.
                        Even until you understand the ordinary machine, you don’t understand what you need to repair, and until you make up a normal troubleshooting, you won’t determine the cost of the repair. Well, if all the PPR is on time and according to the regulations - then you can still take a chance, and even then - disassembly can present the greatest surprises. And from the Indian filing, there was not even a normal initial inspection.
                        Quote: professor
                        In India, they also remember how their military representative was framed.

                        Horror!
                        Quote: professor
                        Your special services put a woman on him and then, as in a textbook ...

                        What a woman ?! It was Putin! Personally!!! Any conspiratorial expert will confirm this to you.
                        Aging, professor, everywhere you see women ... wink
                        But seriously - maybe they planted it. Only here FOR WHAT - you do not know, and you will never know. And there everything could be anything from industrial espionage to banal extortion. After all, they are all kinds of military representatives.
                      7. 0
                        10 March 2016 21: 58
                        like we don’t like a freebie. This is a Russian national trait.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The Indians once again tried to climb for free

                        Quite the contrary, with a low start, our managers dragged the Indians into the game - and then in the classics - divorce into polymers.
                      8. 0
                        10 March 2016 22: 22
                        Quote: slavsya
                        Quite the contrary, with a low start, our managers dragged the Indians into the game - and then in the classics - divorce into polymers.
                        here you can only admire our managers. As if all the managers of the world act differently. I can directly see American managers with a halo on their heads, an X-ray of the F-35 and sad eyes - sorry buyers, it flies badly, we don't even know what to do, we will probably refund your money now. Or even more fun - the stunned face of the Saudis - "your Abrams burn like matches from Yemeni RPG-7s! There was not a word about it in the advertisement!"
                2. 0
                  10 March 2016 12: 55
                  Quote: professor
                  Your effective managers somehow decided that converting Gorshkov into an aircraft carrier for the Indians was a couple of nonsense, but in practice it took twice as much time and money and, most importantly, an tarnished reputation.

                  What? The delays were due to the Indians, who insisted on remaking the KTU for their bricks, because of which, in fact, everything later covered itself.
                  1. +3
                    11 March 2016 01: 01
                    Sorry to get up late, but a few words, if possible ...
                    Quote: goose
                    insisted on remaking KTU for their bricks,

                    The bricks were Chinese, cheap. And they abandoned asbestos under the pretext of material concerto ...
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    received a modernized, but non-operational ship.
                    All technical systems and weapons were accepted by Hindu specialists. The delivery team drove off the ship ... And then it’s up to the crew. Therein lies the nail of the problem.
                    And the air group was already chosen by others ...
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Project 941 nuclear submarines are no simpler than an aircraft carrier in construction.
                    Maybe you're right. But if you compare the labor costs (man-hours) and the cost ... then 1143 is 2 times more labor-intensive and more expensive than 941 (without P-39)
                    Quote: professor
                    The whole building is ChSZ. Even the chains anchors and furniture
                    Small remark. Anchor chains were bought in Germany. Therefore, when in 1979 (?) Near Kiev on the 2nd cruising barrel in the Vaenga Bay of the Kola Bay, the bridle broke, claims were made to the German company, which did not conduct an X-ray of each link of the anchor chain, but put the same documentation in those snapshot, changing only its serial number in the chain.
                    Quote: professor
                    special services planted a woman to him

                    1. That's why they and special services ...
                    2. Was he put into bed under a gun, or is he such a naive YOG in fact?
                    Best regards, hi
      2. -4
        10 March 2016 08: 38
        India has an unsinkable aircraft carrier nearby - Sri Lanka. There are no overseas colonies.
        Why does she need aircraft carriers? They make their own anti-ship missiles "BrahMos", have nuclear submarines, and even help Russia a little with electronics for the T-50 by participating in the Joint Program to create a 5th generation fighter. Is not it?
        1. +4
          11 March 2016 01: 06
          Quote: Generalissimo
          Why does she need aircraft carriers?

          They are measured by tusks with hongfuzy.
          1. -1
            11 March 2016 03: 33
            Indian admirals are measured by kickbacks among themselves, China has recently been a premature bearer.
            They measure their tusks with the Khunkhuzes at the helper of Siachen in the Himalayas, the aircraft carrier will not sail there, even rarely, which helicopters fly.
  3. 0
    10 March 2016 08: 02
    In my opinion, the Indians are clearly trying to create the prerequisites for the future entry into the number of superpowers. The Air Force and Navy pay great attention, the ground forces also do not forget. Where do they take money for everything?
    1. +2
      10 March 2016 08: 10
      Quote: Berserks
      Where only do they get money for everything?

      Look at the performance of their economy. At least on GDP.
      Yes, many people live poorly, but there is enough money in the economy.
      1. 0
        10 March 2016 08: 32
        Quote: chikenous59
        Look at the performance of their economy. At least on GDP.

        Website of the Ministry of Economic Development
        http://www.ved.gov.ru/exportcountries/in/about_in/eco_in/
    2. gjv
      0
      10 March 2016 11: 11
      Quote: Berserks
      Where only do they get money for everything?

      Exports of clothing, chemicals, automobiles for 112 billion dollars.
      True, they spend more on imports - 188 billion dollars. Therefore, with relatively high GDP, people do not live well.
  4. +2
    10 March 2016 08: 21
    It is argued that the Russian 23000E Storm project proposed by the Krylov State Scientific Center may become the basis for the new Indian aircraft carrier.
    I am tormented by vague doubts?
    1. 0
      10 March 2016 09: 31
      Quote: Nikolay71
      project 23000E "Storm",

      it is almost like a nimitz in displacement (or a heavier and rearranged "Ulyanovsk"), and the Indians need something like "Kuznetsov" only with YSU and catapults ...
      Then, the approximate parameters of the required aircraft carrier became known: displacement of 65 thousand tons, length of the order of 300 m and the possibility of equipment nuclear power plant.
  5. -2
    10 March 2016 09: 23
    Dear previous speaker! Even if the Indian partners did not have money, Anatoly Borisovich Chubais DEMANDED 89 BILLION rubles from Vladimir Putin to return his debt (Rusnano !?) to the Indians for "something"? And after all, Putin is "being led" on this blackmail and will certainly give money to the "main privatizer" of Russia, who would doubt it? And you ask, where did our Indian colleagues get the money? From the Russian Federation from Chubais-Putin!
  6. -4
    10 March 2016 09: 39
    On March 1, the Russian edition of Izvestia announced the possible outcome of a future tender. The publication recalls that the United States and France are participating in a future tender for the development of a new aircraft carrier for India. At the same time, however, the Indian military is inclined to choose the Russian proposal.

    Ento how so? France and the USA are in the tender, but preference for the country that has not built a single aircraft carrier?
    This document received ... USA (Lockheed Martin)

    What do they smoke in Izvestia? LM has never built aircraft carriers, does the Izvestia newspaper know any other companies?
    Why India is slow in carrying out the most important stages of preparation for construction is not completely clear.

    What is not clear there is bargaining with the Americans.
    Russia in the current situation really has a good chance of getting a future contract.

    Well, if 0 is good ...
    The United States prefers not to share critical technologies, which may put them out of competition.

    And what's critical? All that is needed is a project taking into account the requirements of the customer; Indians themselves know how to cook bulkheads.
    Recall, the UK simply does not have the technology for building ships with nuclear power plants.

    Great Britain makes the world's most powerful gas turbines, which for 60 thousand displacement just right.
    Thus, the main applicants for the contract are Russia and France, ready not only to present the project, but also to share some technologies.

    Cyril closes from patriotic feelings. I can repeat for him: Russia does not know how to build aircraft carriers!
    1. gjv
      +3
      10 March 2016 11: 37
      Quote: Mera Joota
      LM never built aircraft carriers

      Marinette Marine, a division of LM, is building an LCS, is designing a Multi-mission Combat Ship, and it wants to open its mouth to an Indian aircraft carrier. Trying to move the business. request
      1. 0
        10 March 2016 18: 00
        You Indians do not hold for fools, who built for the US Navy ALL aircraft carriers are known, the company Northrop Grumman. LM is not that experience, there is no equipment for this. It's just that Izvestia’s journalism is so dark that it wrote the first thing that came to its dull head.
    2. +3
      10 March 2016 21: 11
      Quote: Mera Joota
      I can repeat for him: Russia does not know how to build aircraft carriers

      Able to.
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Ento how so? France and the USA are in the tender, but preference for the country that has not built a single aircraft carrier?

      France has built the Mistral. And the aircraft carrier she built turned out to be arch-expensive and not very reliable. France has not dealt with this topic for more than 15 years.
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Well, if 0 is good ...

      And why - zero? :)) The main and critical technologies of the Russian Federation are owned - deck cover, air finishers, landing systems and so on electronics, deck aviation. There is no catapult (but it’s under development, and I don’t think that the Yankees are eager to sell the electromagnet, especially since they are not brought to its marketable state either) It is better to order reactors from us for an atomic aircraft carrier. In general, I see no reason for pessimism.
      Quote: Mera Joota
      All that is needed is a project taking into account the requirements of the customer; Indians themselves know how to cook bulkheads.

      Huh. If you seriously believe that nothing more is needed for an aircraft carrier .... in vain :)
  7. +4
    10 March 2016 10: 26
    Russia may subcontract the reactor,
    but it is unlikely to receive a contract for the entire ship.

    Americans can safely sell India a license
    on the production of a steam catapult, already obsolete. After all, they themselves
    switch to electric, the next generation.
  8. gjv
    +2
    10 March 2016 11: 47
    Sorry, just the picture for the article inspired a domestic marine theme.

    The lead frigate of Project 22350 "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" at full speed - 30 knots.
    1. -2
      10 March 2016 18: 04
      Type is 30 knots?
  9. 0
    10 March 2016 21: 34
    why do Indians need aircraft carriers, do they have Krishna?
  10. 0
    11 March 2016 12: 42
    Negotiations are underway on the sale to India of the second three frigates of project 11356 of the six previously ordered by the Russian Navy because of the non-delivery of Ukrainian turbines.
    Peremoga or zrada?
  11. 0
    11 March 2016 18: 52
    Quote: Mera Joota
    You Indians do not hold for fools, who built for the US Navy ALL aircraft carriers are known, the company Northrop Grumman. LM is not that experience, there is no equipment for this.


    Jane's Defense Weekly in Rahul Bedi's article "India requests overseas design help for a second indigenous carrier" reports that on July 15, 2015, the Indian Navy sent out to four foreign companies - BAE Systems, DCNS, Lockheed Martin and Rosoboronexport - an official request proposals (Letter of Request - LoR) for technical and cost proposals to assist in the design of the proposed construction in India of the second aircraft carrier Indigenous Aircraft Carrier-2 (IAC-2).

    Quote: Mera Joota
    It's just that Izvestia’s journalism is so dark that it wrote the first thing that came to its dull head.


    As you can see, the Izvestia journalist at least just googled and wrote it correctly, and you don't even bother and with a rare and stupid snobbery make statements about "stupid heads". I do not care about this journalist, it just became insulting for people in general and I remembered your ridiculous statements about the Tou complex laughing, that's where people were laughing at NOT a dumb head laughing As then, you did not bother to read anything and just google, but rushed to scribble
  12. +1
    11 March 2016 21: 57
    India doesn't need an aircraft carrier! ... but if you really want to? "Kuznetsov" is being trained for Mediterranean, then - modernization. I will propose modernization according to the Indian project and get rid of it in a timely manner. That would be a knight's move! We have to break ourselves into a cake, but do it! They want a nuclear power plant - to put it! Catapult - develop and deliver! Air wing - but at least PAKFA in a nautical manner! And only after that, no, not to build an aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy, but to think - do we need IT ?!