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And the war will begin

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And the war will begin



Undoubtedly, Syria is certainly the starting point of a military conflict between Russia and NATO, or individual NATO countries.

Of course, NATO countries, especially the leading countries, will never go into a large-scale conflict with Russia until Russian nuclear power has been neutralized. weapon. As long as there is a nuclear threat from the Russian Federation, a large-scale conflict in its traditional form on the part of NATO countries and the United States is impossible. However, local conflicts of the scale of an armed conflict or a local war that do not reach the threshold of the use of nuclear weapons are quite real.

If we talk about the dynamics of events, then the likely scenario of the emergence and escalation of the war with Russia by NATO may look as follows. At the first stage, during the first 2-3 months, Russia will be drawn into a conflict with Turkey in Syria. The fighting will be unleashed by Turkey in Syria in order to break through the corridor to Aleppo and thereby ensure the ability of Turkey to supply the militants of the Islamic State, other terrorist organizations with ammunition, material and technical means, weapons and ensure that these militants transit from Turkish territory healthy and vice versa - sick, wounded and injured for treatment. Given the fact that the land invasion of Turkish forces into Syria without aviation support will be a problem, perhaps Turkey will unilaterally declare a no-fly zone in the northern regions of Syria. In this case, Turkey may come into contact with the Russian aviation group and the Syrian air force.

The modeling of the course of hostilities in this region, which I conducted, shows that with the likely development of the scenario in this conflict, Turkey will be able to weaken the Russian-Syrian air force. However, the final goal of an air offensive is to defeat these forces, and it will itself suffer some serious losses. Nevertheless, the pressure of the Russian Air Force on the possible attack of the Turkish troops will be significantly weakened. Further, Turkey can form a strike force, taking into account the peculiarities of the theater and the operational capacity of the likely combat zone, this force is unlikely to exceed the body scale. This may be two, a maximum of three divisions, one of which is armored, the other mountain, and the rest mechanized; This is a set of rocket troops and corps-wide artillery, probably reinforced by additional formations, in order to provide fire damage to the entire depth of the operational construction of a grouping of Syrian armed forces. Of course, in the first echelon of this corps there will be the formation of Islamic radicals, who will act in close cooperation with Turkish aviation and artillery. Under these conditions, it must be assumed that at the first stage Turkey will be able to solve the problem of breaking through the defenses of the Syrian troops in this direction, however, it will be very doubtful to achieve operational success, ensure the development of success and a complete de-blockade of Aleppo.

Firstly, despite the good training of the Turkish armed forces, the technical equipment of the Turkish army leaves much to be desired. The most modern Tanksthat are currently available in Turkey are Leopard and Leopard-2A4. This is a German-made machine that entered service with the German army in the early 80s. It will not be able to withstand the tanks that Russia supplies to Syria today. These are the T-90 tanks that can hit it at much greater distances than the Leopard of our T-90.

Secondly, Syria supplies such artillery systems, multiple launch rocket systems, which are not found in Turkey. These are jet systems of volley fire "Smerch", "Hurricane" and heavy flamethrower systems TOC-1A "Sunshinek". The value of the "Smerch" system is that it allows you to ensure the defeat of groups of enemy troops to the entire operational depth of building corps and even an army scale to 70 km, thereby ensuring the defeat of the enemy artillery group. "Hurricane" has a range of order of 35 km, ensures the defeat of not only the first but also the second echelon of the operational structure of the enemy troops. "Sun" has a range of about 6000 m and is a powerful means of fire destruction, which is able to destroy infantry and armored vehicles on the battlefield in large areas. Moreover, there is practically no possibility to hide in various fortifications from such a system that uses thermobaric ammunition.

It should be understood that the Turkish Kurds are unlikely to remain indifferent. Today, in the eastern regions of Turkey, in areas of compact residence of the Kurdish population, there is in fact an uprising of the Kurds. To suppress it, Turkey has already allocated 2-x army corps there. And these army corps are not able to fully suppress this uprising. With the onset of the onslaught of the Turkish troops, it can be absolutely certain that through a virtually transparent border between the areas controlled by Kurds in Syria and the Kurdish population in Turkey, there will be a sufficient supply of weapons and ammunition to wage an effective war against the Turkish troops. As a result, Turkey will have to fight on two fronts.

Under these conditions, Turkey will approach the situation when economic and human losses will be unacceptable, and it will have to withdraw from this war on two fronts.

What remains to do Turkey and the United States? The United States clearly understands the fact that the defeat of the advancing troops of Turkey will mean the victory of Russia in this region and there is no chance that they will regain control in this region, at least keep it at an acceptable level. Under these conditions, the United States will take measures to divert Russia to some other direction. The likely scenario in this case could be an attack from the Ukrainian Kiev junta on the DPR and LPR. In this case, Russia will have to scatter its efforts, supporting both the Syrians, and the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics, and resolve issues of diplomatic and material and technical support. It is quite possible that serious measures will be taken to exert economic pressure on Russia. One such measure could be the blockade of the movement of Russian trucks through the Baltic States. Through Poland, the blockade already exists. For Russia, then there will be serious problems with the organization of interaction with Europe.

Saudi Arabia also has its own interest in order to maintain and regain control of the Islamic state, so Riyadh will also begin to take measures on the economic pressure on Russia. One of the most effective measures could be the collapse of oil prices, somewhere up to 10-15 and below dollars in a relatively short period of time, measured in half a year or several months.

***

Under these conditions, the Russian leadership and Russia will find themselves in a difficult economic situation, which is constantly, purposefully exacerbated by the economic block of the Russian government, aimed at shaking the political and economic situation in the country. Privatization, an insane policy in the field of education, social and medical support, combined with artificially inflated food prices, can lead to a revolutionary situation in Russia.

Liberal circles, as in February 1917, can initiate processes to eliminate the current leader from power. As a result, it is possible to create conditions under which significant contingents of special operations forces of Western countries and ideologically motivated militants from Ukraine can enter the territory of Russia across the border with Ukraine, as well as by air. At the same time, it must be assumed that one of the areas of action for measures to destabilize the situation in the country will be the neutralization of the management of Russian nuclear forces. For this, steps can be taken to seize the buildings of the General Staff, the center of command of the national defense, some of the country's nuclear facilities.

After the disorganization of control at the strategic level by the armed forces, especially the nuclear complex, when favorable conditions develop for it, the United States and its allies will be inspired by the United States to discuss the problem of protecting the Russian nuclear potential, international control over it in order to prevent this nuclear potential from falling into the hands of terrorists. Probably, the United States in these conditions will be able to obtain consent for the United States and NATO rapid reaction forces, after landing in certain regions, to take control of nuclear facilities and, first of all, nuclear weapons.

These military actions will be perceived as an invasion, and parts of the Russian army will begin hostilities against these troops. At the same time, given that the strategic management link will be largely disorganized, our military operations will be sporadic, poorly coordinated. NATO troops with the support of aviation will be able to repel possible attacks of disorganized troops.

And then it was created already today in the Baltic States, in Poland, and in the long term in Ukraine, the bases of the division and double-based US brigades after completing personnel from the continent, the US will form strike groups and move to occupy our country. China, facing the dilemma of the seizure of Russian territory by Western troops by NATO troops, realizes that in this case it loses the source of raw materials that Russia now has for China, and, realizing that Russian troops are not able to render serious resistance to these armies, will take steps to occupy Eastern and Western Siberia to the Urals. Japan will also take offensive actions, landing troops on the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin in order to occupy, and perhaps also part of the territory of Kamchatka. The United States will launch a landing operation in order to capture the territory of Kamchatka. After that, the Russian Federation will cease to exist, not being able to respond with a nuclear strike.

Something like this could develop a scenario for the defeat of our country by NATO forces under the leadership of the United States. And the question arises before us: what to do to prevent this from happening? First, first of all, all healthy monetary forces in Russia need to realize that defeating Russia means the collapse of their property and the collapse of their entire well-being. Secondly, it should be well understood by high-ranking officials, who will also be threatened by, if not death, ruin and the tribunal. Thirdly, the patriotic forces of Russia need to realize that in the present conditions in no case can not succumb to the temptation to overthrow this government. In no case can not join the liberal wave.

***

For the authorities, the question of exile of the Fifth Column from the highest echelons of power must be solved mainly. Measures should be taken on the real import substitution of high-tech products in Russia. The central element of this event should be the total and free nationalization of the strategic resources and facilities of Russia: the entire energy sector, the minerals sector, the transport infrastructure, all defense industry enterprises, the high-tech products enterprises associated with them, and the information infrastructure. The property can be left only those objects that do not need centralized planning. After such nationalization, a transition to centralized development planning of the country is necessary.

Under these conditions, it is possible to revive the economic potential of the Russian Federation in 10-12 years and restore the branches of high-tech industry destroyed in 90-e - 2000-e years. The complex of these measures, on the one hand, will allow creating the basis for recreating the Russian economy, and on the other, will create in the eyes of the population the image of the president as a real defender of the country. When taking all the above measures, social justice will be restored, and the people will be ready to endure any decisions to save the country. Thus, the possibility of restoring the country's potential will be provided, conditions will be created to eliminate the possibility of destabilizing the situation in the country, and therefore the possibility of a NATO military invasion of Russia is excluded.

***

Reflecting on additional measures to counter a possible invasion, they often speak of the need to accelerate the development of the Arctic. However, the development of the Arctic today solves other tasks: it is a section of spheres of influence, control over resources, nothing more. And the flight path for military aviation is not decisive. The creation of a system like "6" could be much more powerful tool for deterring the West. This is a mega-weapon that is capable of initiating destructive, large-scale geophysical processes, and a large number of warheads are not required to initiate these processes. The warheads of this weapon will have to have power, measured not by units, but by hundreds and more megatons. We already have the means of delivering such weapons.

The system "Status-6", involving the creation of torpedoes with a nuclear power plant and a range, based on this, measured in tens of thousands of nautical miles, judging from the image in the picture that was presented on the Internet, may have a weight of about 15 tons. A strike with such a warhead on the volcano Yellowstone instantly initiates an explosion, and will destroy the United States along with Canada and the northern part of South America, simultaneously destroying half of Europe. Or a few units of such ammunition can be blown up along the Atlantic rift of the middle part of the Atlantic Ocean, this idea is still Academician Sakharov, and then the resulting gravitational wave from a nuclear explosion will create mega-tsunami height of about 400 meters and wash away all life to a depth of 15000 km from the coast. In the other direction will go another wave, which will wash away Europe.

The presence of such weapons systems, the very fact of their existence, will force the Western world to think ten times before launching a military operation against Russia. The Chinese, Arab, Latin American elite are people with moral standards, it is difficult to talk with them, but they keep their word. The Anglo-Saxon elite is not a negotiable community in principle. They can only be spoken to from a position of strength. For the first time, they sat down at the negotiating table in 1972, and they began to talk about reducing nuclear weapons precisely with the advent of the R-6 OTTH “Satan” rocket and global missiles based on them that could change the range around 40000 km, could approach the US any direction, which excluded the possibility of creating a missile defense system against such weapons. If we have such weapons systems, they will crawl on all fours to negotiate peace with us.
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  1. Wolka
    Wolka 4 March 2016 05: 33
    34
    some nonsense, from the fifth to the tenth, the author clearly suffers from insomnia
    1. Finches
      Finches 4 March 2016 05: 49
      27
      "The Anglo-Saxon elite are basically not negotiable communities." - that's it! Therefore, any talk of liberal economists about reducing spending on the army and the military-industrial complex is nothing more than an outright betrayal of national interests! If this is not allowed and all plans to rearm the army are realized, then there will be no military conflicts! Anglo-Saxons love to fight the weak, do not like equals and are afraid of the strong!
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 4 March 2016 05: 59
        17
        Not, not so, if a fight is inevitable, you need to beat first.
        1. BABA SHURA
          BABA SHURA 4 March 2016 06: 22
          +5
          Then what are we waiting for? At night, lower the continent after continent to the bottom of the ocean. And it turns out that we, the Masahists. We will definitely not be the first to beat!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 4 March 2016 06: 45
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            Quote: BABA SHURA
            At night, lower the continent after continent to the bottom of the ocean.

            We can’t when we have a night on their day laughing
            1. Temples
              Temples 4 March 2016 07: 37
              +3
              perhaps, Turkey will unilaterally declare a no-fly zone in the northern regions of Syria. In this case, Turkey may come into contact with the Russian aviation group and the Syrian air force.
              Modeling the course of hostilities in this region, which I spent, indicates that with the likely development of a scenario in this conflict, Turkey will be able to weaken the Russian-Syrian air force.


              Perhaps a piece will break off from the sun and fall to the ground.
              The modeling that I conducted testifies that it will be so !!!
              URGENT to all dig bins!
              1. Sensatus
                Sensatus 4 March 2016 07: 58
                +5
                Sivkov's handwriting is recognizable. Complete collapse. Although some points are very interesting, especially about the situation in Turkey.
                1. builder
                  builder 4 March 2016 11: 26
                  +1
                  Yes, there was a similar article recently, the text half converges, it just started in a different way. This author has a scheme of work as in Ilf and Petrov - verses about Gavril.
                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 4 March 2016 12: 25
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                    Quote: Sensatus
                    Sivkov's handwriting is recognizable. Complete collapse. Although some points are very interesting, especially about the situation in Turkey.

                    About Turkey, the author freaked out a little.
                    In the event of a war with Turkey, the Russian military base is cut very quickly by Turkish artillery (about 40 km to the border with Turkey).
                    And on the account of vanging on the topic of the eschatological battle between Russia and the West, the author forgot about tactical nuclear weapons in Russia, which is much harder to track, control, and destroy.

                    That is, with the author, where there is a zrada - there is a breakdown, and where there is a breakdown - there is a zrada.
                    In addition, in order to perform such rather bold actions with regard to Russia, one must have a certain will and courage, and the author does not take into account such a moment as the Western bench press.
                2. larand
                  larand 8 March 2016 12: 30
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                  Quote: Sensatus
                  Sivkov's handwriting is recognizable. Complete collapse. ....

                  In 2013, if someone said that between Russia and Ukraine there will be what is today, he would also be called raving. And it turned out to be a reality. So not everything with which you disagree is nonsense and collapse.
            2. andj61
              andj61 4 March 2016 08: 16
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: BABA SHURA
              At night, lower the continent after continent to the bottom of the ocean.

              We can’t when we have a night on their day laughing

              Why can't it? we will lower the continents when they have night, and we have day! fellow
              And you don’t have to pay nightly for the work of lowering the continents - saving, however! wink
            3. weksha50
              weksha50 4 March 2016 09: 13
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              We can’t when we have a night on their day



              We have DAM, a great craftsman to command the time ... She will shift, move as she needs ... Only the question is - who needs it, that is, in whose favor it will translate?
        2. Rostovchanin
          Rostovchanin 4 March 2016 06: 46
          10
          some nonsense, from the fifth to the tenth, the author clearly suffers from insomnia
          And it always amazes me how such experts place their bets on the DRG, does he have any idea how much DRG is needed to "endure" all the components of our strategic nuclear forces? there are several hundred of them! and we will sit and close our eyes to their advance into the depths of our territory, because even with the remainder of several dozen objects, the damage they can inflict cannot be compared with the goal ... funny ... nonsense - that's putting it mildly ...
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 4 March 2016 09: 43
            +1
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            And it always amazes mehow such experts place their bets on the DRG, at least he can imagine how much DRG is needed to "endure" all components our SNF?


            Let it not strike ... And this is not nonsense at all ...
            The problem of the impact of the DRG on the missile systems of the Strategic Missile Forces (the fleet and aviation is not currently considered) was always ...
            OS missiles in mine launchers are well protected from the impact of the DRG (in particular, the still remaining Voivode, who is replaced by Sarmat).

            But the PGRK ... It is enough for a good sniper from a good sniper "rifle" to stick one bullet into the transport and launch container of the rocket on the march - and the task of the DRG is completed: 90% will be for the fact that the rocket will not reach its target designation ... it will damage-hook inside the product - this is one question, but already two holes (input-output) in the case do not know how they will behave during start and flight ...

            Therefore, the Strategic Rocket Forces always paid great attention precisely to the anti-sabotage struggle ...

            Here is an example: three divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces in the central part of Russia (Teykovo, Kozelsk, Bologoye). All are armed with Poplars and Yars, that is, PGRK.
            The same DRGs from the composition of ukrov (Slavic appearance, pure Russian colloquial speech) can harm their regiments and divisions on the march can very decently ... The routes for exiting by alarm to the positional area have long been known to all nearby residents (well, from the town it’s not over the air they will sail away ... Then they can go anywhere — left-right, etc.) ...

            They sat at the exits, shot the transport and launch container - and that’s all ... Caught later or not, they will no longer play any role ... The task will be completed ...

            So, no matter how unpleasant, the threat from the DRG is very significant ...
            1. Rostovchanin
              Rostovchanin 4 March 2016 09: 51
              +4
              Let it not strike ... And this is not nonsense at all ...
              The problem of the impact of the DRG on the missile systems of the Strategic Missile Forces (the fleet and aviation is not currently considered) was always ...
              OS missiles in mine launchers are well protected from the impact of the DRG (in particular, the still remaining Voivode, who is replaced by Sarmat).
              You yourself answered your comment, the task of the aggressor is to disable all components of the strategic nuclear forces, even if the DRGs will disable the PGRK, and this is only one component, with mine launchers it is much more difficult. But why you do not consider aviation and the fleet is not entirely clear to me, even one surviving SSBN will cause irreparable damage to the aggressor and it will cool the ardor of any enemy. So one destroyed component, which is unlikely, will not make any "weather"
              1. weksha50
                weksha50 4 March 2016 10: 15
                +1
                Quote: Rostovchanin
                And that’s why you don’t consider aviation and the fleet



                Dmitry !!!

                Firstly, I am writing about what I know and what I am firmly convinced of ... For this reason, not knowing the vulnerabilities of the strategic nuclear forces in the aviation and navy, I did not touch them ...

                And basically, my answer to you was - the essence of it - was that the threat of the DRG is not nonsense !!! A great danger !!!

                PS And, unfortunately, "even one SSBN" by no means can inflict irreparable damage to a hypothetical adversary, if the US is meant as such ...
                And if, say, North Korea, or ... um ... Small Britain (which is more desirable) ... then yeah ...

                And in general - we will not argue ... I just wanted to note the danger of the DRG to the strategic nuclear forces ... I will not go into further debate ...

                And about "irreparable damage" - walk around the Internet, see WHAT IT IS ...
            2. Rus2012
              Rus2012 4 March 2016 11: 28
              0
              Quote: weksha50
              They sat at the exits, shot the transport and launch container - and that’s all ... Caught later or not, they will no longer play any role ... The task will be completed ...

              So, no matter how unpleasant, the threat from the DRG is very significant ...

              1. If you do not take into account the fact that PGRK can "shoot" from the place of permanent deployment.
              2.In cases of real "mess" and with the release of the PGRK on the routes real combat patrol (who was, he knows), and not along training routes - there will be so many l / s barriers and commandant's offices with powers of the "special period" that not every RDG will be able to break through to the boundaries of an effective shot. "Cleanup" and will be in full. Of course, the "chips will fly" immeasurably, but war has its own laws ...
              1. weksha50
                weksha50 4 March 2016 12: 59
                0
                Quote: Rus2012
                1. If you do not take into account the fact that PGRK can "shoot" from the place of permanent deployment.



                Well, I just expected such a statement of fact ...
                The same can be said about the nuclear submarine-PRK - why go on combat duty in the sea-ocean ??? Moreover - trying to secretly (!!!) do it ...

                And I just had in mind the exit of the PGRK columns from the PAP, the passage through the city-village, the exit from it ... And I specifically indicated that here then he will steer left and right and even further ...

                Pointed out the danger zone ...

                And on combat routes - already a little different ...
                But again - everything is problematic ... If you compare the conscript soldier from the guard platoon and the trained saboteur - the difference is obvious ...

                If you are trying to convince me that DRGs are not just dangerous, but very dangerous for our PGRK - then do not convince ...

                If you want to convince us that we will win anyway - consider that I already agree with you ...
                1. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 4 March 2016 20: 11
                  0
                  Quote: weksha50
                  If you compare the soldier-draftee from the security platoon company and the trained saboteur - the difference is obvious ...

                  .
                  a conscript from a guard platoon - in this context, it is simply preparing a future reserve for mobilization.
                  For the case of a "sudden war", the RDG-DRGs simply do not have time to get on the advance routes. And those who, for example, are "legendary" under a gang of local drunkards, alcoholics, pickers of cedar or mushrooms, nature lovers and the Khimki forest, etc. firstly, they do not live to see the "real case" because of the regular doses, and secondly, they must fall under the watchful eye of specially trained people and, accordingly, must be "cleaned out" in advance.

                  Quote: weksha50
                  And I just had in mind the exit of the PGRK columns from the RPD, the passage through the city-village, the exit from it ..

                  laughing
                  I just remembered the first exits of our guys, still "pioneer leaders", how this business was arranged then ... Almost every significant intersection, a separate building, a possible position for a shooter, especially a "random passer-by" "inadequate response" and "deranged cars" - just blocked / knitted / fell into the mud with the muzzle attached and detained for a couple of days.
                  It will be required, remembered and realized ...

                  Quote: weksha50
                  If you are trying to convince me that DRGs are not just dangerous, but very dangerous for our PGRK - then do not convince ...


                  It is clear that the danger exists, it is not equal to "zero". And accordingly, they are engaged in the topic. Including practiced during exercises. And these are not empty words.

                  All these topics are regularly within the permissible limits, veterans of the missile forces and special forces of the Strategic Missile Forces discussed in the relevant forum sites.

                  1. weksha50
                    weksha50 5 March 2016 11: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    All of these topics are regularly permitted, discussed in the profile sites, forums veterans of the missile forces and special forces of the Strategic Missile Forces.


                    Mdyayaya ... Out of 27 calendar years, 2 years - military service in the Air Force, 5 years - a military school, 20 years - service in the Strategic Missile Forces ... Yes, and the certificate "veteran of the Russian Armed Forces" is available, and awards too ...

                    And suddenly, a VO visitor poked me with a nose that these issues were discussed more than once by veterans of the Strategic Missile Forces and Strategic Missile Forces, and I, dunno, have nothing to do in this debate ...

                    And what is it even this - the last, you indicated ??? Anti-sabotage companies (formerly companies of the REZM) - I know ... OBOR (Separate battalion of security and intelligence) - I know ... But it is the "special forces" of the Strategic Missile Forces - I do not know ... If some divisions called journalists that way, this does not mean the fact that they exist in the structure of the Strategic Missile Forces and that they serve as specialists like the special forces of the GRU or the Airborne Forces (well, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, respectively, although the specifics are different for everyone) ...

                    PS I’ll add another fly in the ointment: for my entire service in the DRG exercises of a conditional enemy in 70, or even 80% of cases, they fulfilled their mission ... And they captured the CP and destroyed the PU ... Or damaged them so that start-up became impossible ... That's it ... It's like a cold shower for hot heads ...

                    Therefore, I’m saying that this is a big problem, very big for the Strategic Missile Forces ...
                    1. Rus2012
                      Rus2012 5 March 2016 12: 21
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                      Quote: weksha50
                      And what is it even this - the last, you indicated ??? Anti-sabotage companies (formerly companies of the REZM) - I know ... OBOR (Separate guard and intelligence battalion) - I know ... But it is the "special forces" of the Strategic Missile Forces - I don't know ...


                      ... so no one blames the ignorance of the subject bully
                      Especially to the veteran of the Strategic Missile Forces! hi

                      The special forces of the Strategic Missile Forces were, albeit not under such an exact phrase, in any case they called themselves that. In 90xx, the beginning of 2000xx. Even the chevrons of the parts were worn. Manned them naturally from parts of the airborne forces, army special forces ...

                      Here is what Ascetic wrote on VO, back in 2012m -
                      ... Anti-sabotage units were formed on the basis of the decision of the USSR Ministry of Defense from 2.12.1989 and the directive of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces 314 / 4 / 0910 from 6.6.90, as well as the directives of the Civil Code RV 432 / 3 / 00381 from 22.5.90 and the order of the Civil Code RV 0106 from 29.6.90 of the year. The staffing list of individual companies of anti-sabotage combat (ORDPB) was approved by order of the Strategic Missile Forces Group of 21.05.1990 year. The RBMF was formed under each of the five missile armies, and in Odintsovo the 1730 Separate Anti-sabotage Battalion (BMDF) was formed, which was directly subordinate to the Commander of the Strategic Missile Forces ...
                      The formation of the officers of the new units was prescribed from among the specialists of the Airborne Forces and Special Forces and the detachment of the personnel of the battalion and the company of anti-sabotage fighting for all types of work not related to the educational process was prohibited (Directive GK RV 43213 / 00381).
                      Military registration specialties (VUS) the servicemen of the new units received "inherited" from the Airborne Forces, which, in combination with the officers who came from the same place, determined the direction of the further development of the PDB units.
                      .
                      In 1993, in the village of Uzhur (Omsk region), "Research exercises on the combat use of the ORPDB" were held. At the end of the exercises and based on the analysis of their results, the orders of the USSR Ministry of Defense 075-78 and 056-80 began to apply to the PDB units. The units received the status of "Special Purpose" and the personnel, the norms of supply of special forces units and benefits for calculating the length of service (a year and a half for those who completed the jumping program).
                      With the 1997 year, the Ordbb Spn began to be disbanded. Security and reconnaissance companies in divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces, enlarged to battalions. The new BOR (security and reconnaissance battalion), in addition to the usual functions of REZM and BWO, also took over the functions of the disbanded SARS. ...
                      The 1730th BSAP SPb, disbanded in April 2001 of the year, was later taken over by the 1790th separate anti-sabotage battalion of the Strategic Missile Forces High Command.

                      http://topwar.ru/11039-obsuzhdenie-perspektiv-razvitiya-armeyskogo-specnaza.html


                      About -
                      during the exercises of the DRG of a conditional enemy in 70, and even in 80% of cases, they fulfilled their task ... And they seized the KP and destroyed the PU ... Or damaged them so that the launch became impossible ... That's it ... It's like a cold shower for hot heads ...
                      ,
                      naturally.
                      How else! laughing
                      It is in this way that "gaps" in the protection-defense are opened in order to close them later ...
                      1. weksha50
                        weksha50 5 March 2016 12: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        ... so no one blames the ignorance of the subject
                        Especially to the veteran of the Strategic Missile Forces!

                        The Strategic Missile Forces Special Forces was, albeit not under such an exact phrase, in any case they called themselves that


                        "Thank you" for your indulgence and poking fun ...

                        And you answered the second question yourself ... THEY called themselves so ... But structurally, these were anti-sabotage units, and were not designated as special-purpose units in the organizational structure ...

                        PS I quit in 1994 from the BZHRK, and in our structure this company was called the old-fashioned: "guard company" ... And the recruited boys served in it ... They were far from the true special forces ...
                      2. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 5 March 2016 13: 32
                        0
                        Quote: weksha50
                        And structurally, these were anti-sabotage units, and were not designated as special-purpose units in the organizational structure ...

                        Well, how is it not, a separate military unit, a separate battalion of Special Forces:
                        1730-th BSAP Spn, disbanded in April 2001 of the year, its functions were later taken over by the 1790-th separate battalion of anti-sabotage fighting of the Strategic Missile Forces High Command.

                        I’m sorry I can’t find the chevron ... :(

                        in our structure, this company was called the old-fashioned way: "guard company" ... And the boys-conscripts served in it ... They were far from the true special forces ...

                        ... and it was the same with us in the Trans-Ural regiment. Nevertheless, one of their platoons was commanded by the senior prisoner who had previously served in the reconnaissance company of the GSVG. Moreover, the irony of fate, they were assigned to capture and destroy nuclear weapons of potential "friends". Well, he prepared his fighters in full, having the opportunity to choose and select worthy personnel from the replenishment ...
                        Well, sometimes he portrayed with the selected soldiers those same RDGs "for work" on neighboring regiments and divisions laughing
                      3. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 5 March 2016 14: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        I’m sorry I can’t find the chevron ... :(

                        ...found - laughing

                        The soldiers wore the uniform of airborne troops.

                        1730_1.11.1. Patch (patch) of soldiers of the 1730 separate battalion of anti-sabotage combat for special purposes (1730 on the infantry fighting squad of the SN). Plastisol. Diameter 82 mm. Identical to patch 1730_1.3.1, different in size.
                        http://parachuters-russia.narod.ru/SRF.html
                      4. weksha50
                        weksha50 5 March 2016 17: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        ...found -

                        The soldiers wore the uniform of airborne troops.


                        Well ... And what - will we argue further ??? After all, we argued (and, at all out of place) about the presence or absence of special forces in the structure of the Strategic Missile Forces ...

                        The form of the Airborne Forces ... On the chevron there is neither a badge, nor membership in the Strategic Missile Forces ... CH - there is, that is, a strategic purpose ... But not a PB ...

                        At one time, many "games" to reform the army and navy happened ... Such separate battalions could easily be attached to missile divisions to protect positional areas ...

                        The reason is simple: those guys who were in the companies of the REZM could not have stood up to the real DRG and its thugs, and there was simply no experience in the Strategic Rocket Forces to organize PDG ...

                        So everything can be ...

                        Just do not understand - what exactly are we arguing about ???

                        PS In the 8-episode series with the same name, filmed as a continuation of the classic film "Officers", two of our special forces seize and destroy the BZHRK together with the calculation of the command post ...

                        And this is reality ... Knowing the location of the emergency exit hatches and the location of the compartments, even with the existence of the CC-5 television security system for well-trained saboteurs, this is quite possible to do ...

                        And here we argue it is not clear what ...

                        PS Let the incumbent employees have a headache over this issue ... But you wouldn’t have a headache if there was money so that only contract soldiers with relevant experience would be recruited to the SDG Strategic Rocket Forces ...

                        At the time, we were able to allocate money in order to somehow lure the civilian engine drivers of diesel locomotives into the BZHRK (they immediately glued epaulettes' shoulder straps, but most importantly, salaries at the officer level, powerful allowances and apartments) ... But then there was the USSR, and the possibilities were different ...

                        I don’t want to argue further - I’m tired. It’s just a transfusion from empty to empty, we are just like two women in a bazaar - mating, and not one of them already remembers - because of what ...

                        PPS Down there, one connoisseur writes that TPK PGRK cannot be punched from a sniper rifle ... Looking at which one ... It's hard to argue, it's hard, even my teeth start to hurt ...
                    2. weksha50
                      weksha50 5 March 2016 17: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Rus2012
                      ... and it was exactly the same with us in the Trans-Ural regiment.


                      We begin to get confused and climb into the jungle ...

                      First - I indicated in which year I left the reserve - in 1994 ... At that time - as it was called, it was called ...

                      If there were (or later were created) separate battalions of PDG (again PDG !!!) - maybe ... I pointed out how we were called and originally on soil shifts ...

                      If the senior warrant officer (commander of the platoon) comes from the special forces and taught the soldiers some peculiarities, then he should be praised ... Again, you yourself point out the peculiarities of HIS training - capture and destruction ...
                      This will even help to calculate exactly the actions of the DRG of the probable enemy (or maybe not) ...

                      But about the attitude to the official structures of the Strategic Missile Forces, namely special forces (there were special forces and osnaz - these are official structures with their mission in the structure of the USSR-Russia Armed Forces), but not in the structure of the Strategic Missile Forces ...

                      On the Internet, I also did not find information confirming the special forces in the structure of the Strategic Missile Forces - only anti-sabotage companies (as part of regiments, that is, without their own military unit) and OBOR - separate battalions of protection and reconnaissance (here already with their own military unit, almost any single (!!!) battalion) ...

                      And anyway, what are we arguing about ???
                      I intervened in the comments, correcting my colleague that the DRGs are not so dangerous for the Strategic Missile Forces ...
                      And now we are arguing about how anti-sabotage structures were called-called in the Strategic Missile Forces ...
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 4 March 2016 12: 13
        +2
        With a "good gun", it is impossible to hit the TPK, here the machine gun will not help either. Before discussing the topic of the "gun", one should know the possibilities of protecting the TPK of the mobile complex. In addition, there is also a Perimeter. fellow
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 4 March 2016 13: 00
          -1
          Quote: Andrey57
          Before talking about the "gun", you need to know the possibilities of protecting the TPK of the mobile complex. In addition, there is also a Perimeter.



          Yokarny Babai ... I just can’t find words ...
          And poor Perimeter here was plaited ... And this is at least what ???

          PS That's it - before reasoning, you need to know and understand ... Gloom ...
      3. rvRomanoff
        rvRomanoff 4 March 2016 15: 03
        0
        That's why there are intelligence and counterintelligence of all stripes, so that such theories remain theories.
  2. CONTROL
    CONTROL 4 March 2016 07: 58
    +1
    Quote: Igor39
    Not, not so, if a fight is inevitable, you need to beat first.

    ... And since almost in the entire history of Russia (and the USSR) it is a fight - always inevitable, then - the logical conclusion: Always beat and always beat first! Permanent beating, so to speak ... non-stop!
    1. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor 4 March 2016 10: 05
      0
      In the whole history of mankind, she - there has always been a fight. Only 4 years were without wars.

      First hit - Napoleon, Hitler, Saakashvili ... continue?
  • Wheel
    Wheel 4 March 2016 06: 13
    +4
    Quote: Volka
    some nonsense, from the fifth to the tenth

    The flight of uncomplicated consciousness, either a smoke break, or with a hangover toils ....
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 4 March 2016 06: 28
      +8
      Quote: Wheel
      The flight of uncomplicated consciousness, either a smoke break, or a hangover

      So this is Sivkov! "Doctor of Military Sciences, a specialist in military political science, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, Captain First Rank, First Vice President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems" However, numerous regalia do not prevent this comrade from carrying the nonsense of his namesake - the gray mare. I don’t remember that he ever nailed something sensible - he constantly hits the sky with his finger ..
      In fact, the second part of the article (about the fifth column and "our answer to Chamberlain") is a compilation of comments on the VO forum laughing
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 4 March 2016 06: 35
      11
      Quote: Wheel
      either a smoke, or a hangover toils ...

      Everything is simpler and much more complicated at the same time.
      Spring has begun, the snow is melting, the birds are singing. In all sorts of Napoleons, Caesars and Alexandrov of Macedon, the aggravation begins.
      Someone from the strategic geniuses in the head physician’s office got to the computer, and while his liquid reptilians in the person of orderlies did not bind, he made us happy with the ultimate truth.
      This is how progressive military analytics die under the yoke of the Masonic alien mind, yes.
      PSCan we collect the gear for the author? The oranges are there, the foil hat. And then the poor one is toiling.
      1. Ramzes33
        Ramzes33 4 March 2016 07: 44
        0
        The train of thought is impressive. * Cabinet strategists * want to fight (staying at the computer).
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 4 March 2016 09: 45
        -2
        Quote: Onotolle
        PSCan we collect the gear for the author? The oranges are there, the foil hat. And then the poor one is toiling.



        And inject the hydrocyanic acid into the orange ... So that it’s no longer delirious and doesn’t balamutil others ...
  • nemec55
    nemec55 4 March 2016 06: 16
    +6
    Gentlemen and comrades, this is Sivkov, he is a science fiction however, egspert-science fiction. Such a garnish special that not one normal channel does not invite to broadcasts.
  • Blondy
    Blondy 4 March 2016 06: 25
    +6
    Author, leave a smoke.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 4 March 2016 06: 27
      +6
      Here is Dmitry too:
    2. andj61
      andj61 4 March 2016 08: 19
      -1
      Quote: Blondy
      Author, leave a smoke.

      And in response to silence. He did not return yesterday ... from a spring exacerbation. laughing
  • svit125
    svit125 4 March 2016 07: 16
    -1
    Quote: Volka
    some nonsense, from the fifth to the tenth, the author clearly suffers from insomnia

    Konstantin SIVKOV, First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Doctor of Military Sciences, Captain 1st rank.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 4 March 2016 07: 32
      +3
      An honest, noble word - I didn’t even read it, because the fantastic action movies are not my choice. And the author is not ice.
    2. sir_obs
      sir_obs 4 March 2016 10: 40
      +2
      The presence of high military ranks does not make a person smarter, we had a senior teacher at the department of navigation systems, also a captain of the first rank. So, even his colleagues called him a headless horseman, for his ability to state similar to the above mentioned author.
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 4 March 2016 12: 35
      0
      Quote: svit125
      Konstantin SIVKOV, First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Doctor of Military Sciences, Captain 1st rank.


      My minus is not here, but before it was different, somewhat, by extraordinary articles.
  • Beaver
    Beaver 4 March 2016 07: 34
    0
    Quote: Volka
    some nonsense, from the fifth to the tenth, the author clearly suffers

    First, first of all, all healthy monetary forces in Russia need to realize that the defeat of Russia means the collapse of their property and the collapse of all their prosperity. The central link of this event should be the total and gratuitous nationalization of strategic resources and facilities of Russia: the entire energy sector, mineral resources, transport infrastructure, all enterprises of the military-industrial complex, associated with them enterprises of high-tech products, information infrastructure. Only those objects that do not need central planning can be left in the property.

    Secondly, this should be well understood by senior officials, the issue of expelling the Fifth Column from the higher echelons of power, which will be threatened, if not death, then ruin and the tribunal, must be resolved.

    Thirdly, the patriotic forces of Russia need to realize that under the current conditions, in no case should one give in to the art of overthrowing this power. In no case should one join the liberal wave. With all of the above measures taken, the people will be ready to endure any decisions in order to save the country.


    Something like that. wassat
  • guzik007
    guzik007 4 March 2016 08: 13
    0
    some nonsense, with
    ---------------------
    not just nonsense, but nonsense of Sivkova mare. Sorry for the pun. Here at once: disorganization, seizure of headquarters, command centers ...
    The hike the day before came across the author of the book Al Atomi "Marauder" and it dawned on him: =)
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 4 March 2016 09: 00
    0
    In two words - an article porridge from a madhouse.
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 4 March 2016 09: 51
    +1
    I stopped reading after the phrase:
    Liberal circles, as in February 1917

    It is interesting why - the author taught history at one time, and did he teach at all? Or - what did he smoke when he wrote the article?

    Although, about the fact that they are trying to drag Russia into the war and destroy it, I agree.
  • Dam
    Dam 4 March 2016 10: 16
    +1
    Absolutely agree. Paranoid delirium, pronounced hallucinations, persecution mania. Schizophrenia, spring exacerbation.
  • Lex.
    Lex. 4 March 2016 10: 51
    +2
    some nonsense, from the fifth to the tenth, the author clearly suffers from insomnia
    I don’t agree. The author of this article was the commander of the Russian Navy and not a couch expert.
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 4 March 2016 11: 07
    0
    Quote: Volka
    the author clearly suffers from insomnia

    ... nevertheless, and moreover, the author cares for the country!
    In his thoughts in dark tones are the scenic lines of what can be realized in the near future.
    You should know it!
    And whether the predicted will happen, for the time being depends only on the thickness of the intestine and the strength of the uterus of the western leaders.

    In fact, all the extreme positions are occupied and the script is ready - we are involved on two fronts, maneuver possibilities are limited. It remains only for them to understand - whether we go to the end or blink first ...
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 4 March 2016 11: 20
    0
    I agree nonsense .... no analyst
  • 2С5
    2С5 4 March 2016 05: 33
    0
    ... demagoguery ... all these facts have long been known and sucked. Did the author just want to "check in"? We have this and that, but the Merikos and the coalition have this and that and therefore blablabla ... the minus article is unambiguous ... negative
  • Asian
    Asian 4 March 2016 05: 37
    -19 qualifying.
    Yes, there will not be any war, Russia’s GDP is leading up to the revolution, and the people will kill each other. Everything goes to that.
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 4 March 2016 05: 57
      +5
      Quote: Asian
      Asian

      It feels like you're sir, not Asian.
    2. aba
      aba 4 March 2016 05: 58
      -3
      everything goes to this.

      Dreamer, however!
  • 2С5
    2С5 4 March 2016 05: 37
    21
    ... since the end of the Second World War, it has become clear that the enemy needs to be DESTROYED, otherwise he will get rid of in 5,10,15 years and start doing the same ... by the way, and "5 columns" directly concerns ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 4 March 2016 06: 04
      11
      This hydra, how many do not chop, new ones will grow! Cauterize, it is necessary, cauterize with a hot iron!
    2. Vladimir71
      Vladimir71 4 March 2016 06: 22
      0
      In the words of the great VIL, chopping chopping and chopping again, and after all chopped, and these passengers climbed out in the 90's it is time to sharpen the scythe (scythe scythe while dew).
    3. Ramzes33
      Ramzes33 4 March 2016 07: 47
      0
      Kvachkov is not enough for the symbol of liberalism.
  • 2С5
    2С5 4 March 2016 05: 42
    +1
    ... revolution and murders by "each other's people" are needed by people like ASIAT in order to destroy and plunder the country on the sly, while the GDP is already in bulk and it needs a strong country to make this "all" even more ... and you, ASIAT should be reminded:
    1. Asian
      Asian 4 March 2016 05: 50
      -13 qualifying.
      Look at the economy if you have oligarchs chewing on your brains and the people in w .. pinsoneers in trash cans people are going to feel the effect of sanctions for a smaller zombie box, look at the brains of the data to think and make comparisons, but the fact that you show me a bear’s fur coat is warm it turns out.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 4 March 2016 06: 08
        10
        Quote: Asian
        trash can insoners

        Quote: Asian
        snow heat

        You would first learn to write correctly in Russian and poke a finger at yourself, you yourself know where, in VO you communicate.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 4 March 2016 06: 22
          -2
          Asian!
          I looked at the zombie box, thought, compared, came to the conclusion, you are a MIRACLE in the letter M !!!!
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 4 March 2016 06: 24
            +2
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            I looked at the zombie box, thought, compared, came to the conclusion

            Why torture yourself like this because of one fool ? laughing
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 4 March 2016 06: 25
            -2
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            , I came to the conclusion- You are a MIRACLE in the letter M !!!!

            Good, he already arranges a revolution in the bathhouse.
      2. 2С5
        2С5 4 March 2016 06: 20
        -1
        ... I’m not looking at the zombies almost at all ... about the fur coat, who and when received it from the bear? As for the oligarchs and pensioners, tell me a country in which everything is different ... dos!
      3. Siberian1965
        Siberian1965 4 March 2016 06: 24
        +1
        Where did you get your education, Asian? I mean, something is hard to believe that you understand in economics. Here about garbage cans causes more confidence. It is better to write about what you know thoroughly - to you about garbage dumps.
  • shadow
    shadow 4 March 2016 05: 43
    +4
    All measure modern warfare in antiquity, in the Second World War. Now everything is different, but who cares. We have listened to all kinds of homegrown experts and drive these thoughts from all sides, but to really look at things and realize that what is really happening is not enough mind.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 4 March 2016 05: 49
    +2
    Kostya. Don’t need to write more here, okay?
  • izya top
    izya top 4 March 2016 05: 50
    10
    I read it right now? what
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 4 March 2016 06: 08
      +5
      Quote: izya top
      I read it right now?

      Izya! Get away from the fence! wassat
      1. izya top
        izya top 4 March 2016 06: 14
        +3
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Izya! Get away from the fence!

        No, they write more interesting on the fence.
        hi bag woolen
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 4 March 2016 06: 16
          +1
          Quote: izya top
          woolen bag

          This is my disguise bully drinks
          1. izya top
            izya top 4 March 2016 06: 20
            +2
            and this drinks evening wink
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 4 March 2016 05: 50
    +3
    The author smoked something and decided that he was Suvorov.
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 4 March 2016 06: 02
      +2
      Quote: Sergey333
      The author smoked something and decided that he was Suvorov.
      The author is a specialist in military political science, a doctor of military sciences, a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, in which ..
      1. Avantageur
        Avantageur 4 March 2016 14: 29
        -1
        Quote: treble 72019
        The author is a specialist in military political science, a doctor of military sciences, a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, in which ..

        I agree, a competent man, a specialist in military affairs, you need to listen to such people and, as the saying goes, "wind up what was said." And regarding manipulations with Yellowstone, I would also hold on to this option, and if there are no intelligible actions on the mattress mats, so that "mommy do not cry!" And let them be washed away by feni, and then we will send the remnants of Europe to shackles and to the neo-belbaltlag, to dig canals and sluices in the unaffected regions of Africa.


  • kuznec
    kuznec 4 March 2016 05: 58
    11
    There is no need to neglect the article. The author presented his point of view. In the present world, any development of events cannot be ruled out. But the saddest thing, with which I unequivocally agree, is the absolutely destructive and subversive activity of the government. Medvedev, Ulyukaev, Siluanov, Nabiulin, and IMHO the main enemy - Livanov - should be neutralized immediately. Not to mention Chubais, who got on edge. Here is another vomin. If we replace these people, no US is afraid of us. And if they poke around - to hell with them in a bag. I’ll take my own gun and leave with my family in the taiga. Fortunately, everyone is accustomed. And I will shoot the enemies thoughtfully and methodically. And I'm not the only one. We will not give back our homeland, the graves of fathers and grandfathers. And they will not be able to enter this into any scenarios. The teeth break off.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 March 2016 06: 29
      +2
      Quote: kuznec
      about. The author presented his point of view

      More recently, just a week ago, there was an article by Sivkov, where he stated his point of view. So in her, he predicted the defeat of Russia on all fronts within a few hours. But as I understand it, Sivkov soberly read the masterpiece he had written before and was fucked up himself. Now he has written a new, more optimistic one.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 4 March 2016 06: 33
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Sivkov soberly read the masterpiece written by him earlier and he fucked up

        Here in this fucking and optimistic fool A couple more of these banquets will reach the stage of Poroshenko
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 March 2016 06: 49
          0
          Quote: Ruslan67
          A couple more of these banquets will reach the stage of Poroshenko

          Wash you write in the past tense.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 4 March 2016 06: 55
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            write in the past tense.

            No. That resource is cooler - it’s difficult to compete with it. But it seems Sivkov decided as in the old days: Five-year plan in two years fellow laughing
      2. chikenous59
        chikenous59 4 March 2016 07: 07
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        More recently, just a week ago, there was an article by Sivkov, where he stated his point of view. So in it, he predicted the defeat of Russia on all fronts within a few hours.

        It was not Konstantin Sivkov, but his Ukrainian counterpart)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 March 2016 07: 22
          0
          Quote: chikenous59
          It was not Konstantin Sivkov, but his Ukrainian counterpart)

          Screen of the author of the last article hi
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 4 March 2016 08: 01
      -1
      Nothing will work. The system will not allow. Cooley is useless when legislation and economics are imprisoned under liberalistic pidorgs. Articles of the Constitution about the bowels, about the Central Bank still need to be changed. And this is either to give the president extraordinary powers (this, I think, everything is going to happen) or the whole people will suddenly go out en masse and demand a referendum (which I don’t believe in the current conditions. By the way, the authorities know this and therefore got into the end).
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 4 March 2016 05: 59
    +2
    All these "conclusions" for ten pages are a waste of time and headbutting. None of this will happen. And if it ever happens in the distant future, it will not be in Syria.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 4 March 2016 06: 02
    +2
    Another essay by Konstantin Sivkov on the theme "we are all going to die."
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 4 March 2016 06: 05
    +2
    It is impossible to get out of the whole amount of contradictions that the West historically drove itself into. Have to dramatically redraw the entire system of relations and the map of the world itself. And if normal rulers seeking to avoid wars do everything for the world, they won’t succeed anyway, when the real rulers of the SGA, small Britain, etc., decide to press a button, nothing will stop them. So that BP is inevitable! And the reason for it is the two dozen crises that some experts have - overproduction, mortgage, financial, exchange, shale, pension system of the SGA, etc., which cannot be resolved without war.
    And Syria, Ukraine or some other reason, this is the tenth matter.
  • Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 4 March 2016 06: 13
    -2
    Author!. Please explain to us - How can a torpedo get into this damn supervolcano? While it does not seem to fly like a torpedo, it can.
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 4 March 2016 06: 27
      -3
      It says rocket. Reread.
      1. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 4 March 2016 06: 32
        0
        It says Torpedo with a nuclear power plant.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 March 2016 06: 32
      +2
      Quote: Karayakupovo
      Author!. Please explain to us - How can a torpedo get into this damn supervolcano? While it does not seem to fly like a torpedo

      The author for Status 6 can not know anything, because ....

      The “Status-6” system, which involves the creation of torpedoes with a nuclear power plant and range, based on this, measured in tens of thousands of nautical miles, judging by the image on the picture that was presented on the Internet, can weigh about 15 tons. Hitting such a missile with such a warhead on the Yellowstone volcano instantly initiates its explosion, and destroys the United States, along with Canada and northern South America

      This is what he stated below, complete nonsense. Even if we take a look at the volcano and it explodes, it will not seem to us much either.
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 4 March 2016 07: 05
        +2
        System "Status-6", involving the creation of torpedoes with a nuclear power plant and range, on the basis of this, measured in tens of thousands of nautical miles, judging by the image in the picture that was presented on the Internet, it can weigh about 15 tons. Such a missile strike with such a warhead on the Yellowstone volcano instantly initiates its explosion, and destroys the United States, along with Canada and northern South America
        The most interesting thing is that, according to the author, the torpedo instantly turned into a rocket ... i.e. from the coast to the volcano, it will ride for many more miles on the surface ..
        1. Armored optimist
          Armored optimist 4 March 2016 07: 31
          0
          Well, this is an ordinary scratch. The author jumped from torpedoes from such a BG to a missile with such a BG, did not design a clear transition. Do not quibble. From a phrase "A strike with such a missile with such a warhead ..." remove once "such" and it will be read normally "A missile strike with such a warhead ..."
          1. Bashibuzuk
            Bashibuzuk 4 March 2016 08: 30
            -2
            Do not invent, brothers, do not invent .....
            What for, is asked. created a torpedo for 10 miles with SPECBCH?
            .
            You completely forgot about the basin of the great rivers of America - the Mississippi and Missouri.
            There will be some kind of nito river, rivulet, stream, streamlet .... Well - which will lead us straight to the super volcano.
            And then, on this river, the brook, our super-duper torpedo will drop ... right into the snout.
            ....
            And, in addition, back in the 70s there was a plan to create a tsunami, just along the course of these same rivers. It would have washed away all of plain America to the Gulf of Mexico.
            Well then rockets were considered, now there are torpedoes. wassat
            .
            The most cunning nonsense!
            What the author has, what is in my writings.
            And how does such nonsense creep on by the rights of publication, a riddle?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 March 2016 09: 16
              +1
              What for, is asked. created a torpedo for 10 miles with SPECBCH? And you saw this torpedo in the gland to claim that it was created?
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 4 March 2016 09: 59
              +1
              Quote: Bashibuzuk
              And how does such nonsense creep on by the rights of publication, a riddle?



              Take a look around. Look around in anger ... In all the media - writing, showing and oppressing - 99% of nonsense ...
              PSK nonsense does not apply only when they call Moscow time ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 March 2016 09: 12
        0
        Only the volcano will not explode, there are several kilometers of soil and rocky rocks above the magma, you’ll drop at least 100 megatons there, it will not explode, since in order for it to explode, it needs pressure from below in the magma, and not from the surface of the volcano.
        1. operator_75
          operator_75 4 March 2016 12: 07
          +2
          I completely agree. To initiate a volcano, (in this case, Yellowstone with a depth of 10 km of magma chamber) a ground, and even more so high-altitude blast, even 50 megatons is unlikely to be enough. Here, either 1.5 km deep (so into the strongest rocks - basalt, obsidian). Or evaporate a couple of kilometers of rock in the crater. Otherwise, instead of Babakh, zilch will work.
          But about the bottom, the most ... The whole world is in ruins ...
          1. Bashibuzuk
            Bashibuzuk 4 March 2016 17: 02
            0
            Choate, either I wondered ... or the individual comrades are completely absent ...
            at least the rudiments of humor.
            Regrettably. what
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 4 March 2016 06: 15
    +2
    Wait and see. The situation is really unsightly, but also ambiguous. Can a conflict happen? Can. But what will end, only God knows. As for the fact that
    Measures should be taken on the real import substitution of high-tech products in Russia. The central link of this event should be the total and gratuitous nationalization of strategic resources and facilities of Russia: the entire energy sector, mineral resources, transport infrastructure, all enterprises of the military-industrial complex, associated enterprises of high-tech products, information infrastructure. Only those objects that do not need central planning can be left in the property. After such nationalization, a transition to centralized planning for the development of the country is necessary.
    Totally agree!
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 4 March 2016 07: 37
      0
      Wait and see - an outdated expression. Now they say: “Let's survive - we'll see!”
  • Dyatko Nebatko
    Dyatko Nebatko 4 March 2016 06: 15
    0
    After reading, "Turkey will unilaterally declare a no-fly zone in the northern regions of Syria." I realized one thing - there is NO SENSE TO READ FURTHER! IMHO!
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 4 March 2016 06: 17
    0
    This is the third material of such "analysts" on the site in the last week. I don't understand what the thrill is, to list the obvious reasons for the likely outcome of the military confrontation, no matter who with whom. What is the conclusion from the article? Personally, I did - the author is paranoid.
    1. kuznec
      kuznec 4 March 2016 06: 43
      +2
      Even if you are paranoid, this does not mean that they do not follow you :-)
  • domokl
    domokl 4 March 2016 06: 24
    +3
    I do not share the point of view of the majority ... The author did a good enough analysis of military potentials. another thing, the determination of Russia is not taken into account. Blows will be carried out not only on the territory of Syria, but also on the territory of Turkey. Concentration areas will be destroyed in the very first hours of the beginning of the database. And the movement of troops in the mountains is easy to stop with aviation and flamethrower systems. For what they were originally created ...
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 4 March 2016 06: 30
      0
      And even easier grenade launchers and anti-tank systems. The number of which, for sure, has already been brought to the required and concentrated in the right areas.
      1. domokl
        domokl 4 March 2016 06: 59
        0
        Quote: armored optimist
        And even easier grenade launchers and anti-tank systems.

        And who runs with these grenade launchers in Syria? Which Russian units are fighting? laughing
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 4 March 2016 06: 39
      0
      Quote: domokl
      The author did a good enough analysis of military potentials.

      What are you? Where did he do it?
      Turkey will be able to weaken the Russian-Syrian air force. However, it will not achieve the final goal of the air offensive operation of defeating these forces and will suffer quite serious losses.

      Under such conditions, we must assume that at the first stage Turkey will be able to solve the problem of breaking through the defense of the Syrian forces in this direction, however, it will be very doubtful to achieve operational success, ensure the development of success and the full deblockade of Aleppo.

      If this is analytics, then you make my shoes laugh ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 4 March 2016 06: 58
        +1
        Quote: Mera Joota
        If this is analytics, then you make my shoes laugh ...

        And you will be distracted from the fact that this is Russia and Turkey .. Just an adversary ... And everything will fall ... into place. At the first strike, a breakthrough will be for anyone. Syrians will not stand against the Turkish army. But the answer will be from the Russian army.
        I don’t give a damn about Sivkov. But there are seeds of common sense in his words.
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 4 March 2016 09: 25
          0
          Quote: domokl
          And you will be distracted from the fact that this is Russia and Turkey .. Just an adversary ... And everything will fall ... into place.

          Ufff ... I didn’t want to discuss this scribble, but oh well.
          The author claims that the Turkish Air Force will suffer serious losses and will not achieve the "goal" which at all times was the conquest of air superiority. How does he justify this? Yes, nothing. He said how he cut it off ... Who will have an advantage in the event of an air war? The one who controls the air, and Turkey controls it, because in addition to stationary radar stations, it has both its own and NATO AWACS aircraft. Our group does not have such an opportunity and therefore is not able to track all movements of the Turkish Air Force, which, on the contrary, has this opportunity. Those. Turkish and Saudi aircraft can use the terrain (which contributes to this) at low altitudes to ambush, receiving information from AWACS aircraft. On the contrary, our planes will have to climb to great heights to search for targets, exposing themselves to attack. And given the numerical superiority in aircraft of the Turkish Air Force, the defeat of the Aerospace Forces is predictable with a high degree of probability.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 March 2016 06: 53
      0
      Quote: domokl
      another thing, the determination of Russia is not taken into account

      Sasha, Sivkov wrote about Russia's decisiveness in a previous article. Briefly from his last article.
      1. The president is afraid to use nuclear weapons.
      2. Boats with nuclear weapons destroyed-EVERYTHING!
      3. Military airfields destroyed -All!
      4. Mobile missile systems YaRS and Poplar destroyed by sabotage groups -All!
      5. Russia lost to the warrior. Which really did not have time to start.
      hi
      1. Andy
        Andy 4 March 2016 10: 23
        +1
        I don’t know what he wrote, but minus you from the heart. put google earth program and see satellite images of our airfields. they are EMPTY. or a warehouse of non-viable winged metal. on rare there is a sign of life, worth a dozen or two aircraft. I remember someone on the site was threatening to drive enemy aircraft carriers by land aviation, and so on ships of more than 60 aircraft, and our airport is 3 times less !!

        I also agree with the first point. BE AFRAID. we are even afraid to respond to "sanctions". we are pinched on all points from the WTO to the trade in our energy resources

        point two, and how many of our boats are on duty. how many were there during the USSR.
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  • magician
    magician 4 March 2016 06: 28
    0
    rave. The General Staff are not so stupid people to bring the state of affairs in Syria to the march of Turkish wax on its territory. Work out by all possible means at the rear and airfields. Turks and daish Stalingrad shines and digging some sort of channel.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 4 March 2016 06: 29
    0
    and then the resulting gravitational wave from a nuclear explosion

    And scientists are looking for them in the interaction of black holes. Know, Sivkova not read.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 4 March 2016 06: 32
    0
    Where is the Turkish cavalry? Where is Bulk in the armor? Sivkov is that saved or LDS
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 March 2016 06: 34
    -1
    The article is nonsense.
    Here we are going to watch the Turks fly in the Syrian sky.
    Or how they invade Syrian land in tanks.
    I think that in case of exacerbation, something in Syria is already in store.
    And in Armenia we have not just become more active.
  • SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 4 March 2016 06: 38
    +2
    In the course of reading the article, an image of a boy from an old Soviet film and his phrase: "Uncle Petya, are you a fool? !!"
    I didn’t want to offend anyone
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 4 March 2016 06: 39
    +2
    Something tells me that no turn in the economy will give liberals a chance to shift power, the existing power is actually the only guarantor of their own existence, everything that is possible will replace it will be even more anti-Western.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 March 2016 09: 19
      0
      The train for these guys - power overthrowers has long left.
  • nivander
    nivander 4 March 2016 07: 01
    +2
    if the Ottomans attack the Russian troops in Syria, then our answer to Erdogan Syria will not be limited. + 100500 aviation of the South-East Military District, as well as from the bases in Armenia of the Abkhazia of Crimea will begin to iron the infrastructure of the Ottomans and of course the fleet will add 50 rubles
  • Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 4 March 2016 07: 34
    +2
    Weak analytics and incorrect messages. Largely disagree with the author, did not even read the article.
  • Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 4 March 2016 07: 34
    0
    Quote: BABA SHURA
    Then what are we waiting for? At night, lower the continent after continent to the bottom of the ocean. And it turns out that we, the Masahists. We will definitely not be the first to beat!

    To hit not at volcanoes (the whole planet), but, if there is a threat of attack, at command centers, military satellites, or logistics.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 4 March 2016 07: 36
    0
    NATO will never go to a ground operation. Yes, and their heavy tanks will immediately get stuck in Russian mud. And China to the Urals, this is generally a laugh.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 4 March 2016 07: 46
      0
      Quote: bistrov.
      Yes, and their heavy tanks immediately get stuck in Russian mud



      Russia 2016 is not the USSR 1941. Roads have noticeably increased, there are even quite decent ones, especially in the west of the country. wassat
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 4 March 2016 11: 42
      0
      In 1918, the echelons of the Czechoslovak corps paralyzed all of Siberia, the Far East and the European part to Ufa (!!!), so with paralysis of power there is nothing ridiculous in these forecasts.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 March 2016 07: 39
    +1
    Another horror story, apparently arising in the brain of either a "smoked" or something wrong "ate" analyst! Even a completely non-military person understands that only a "crazy" politician or a group of such will decide on such a thing, especially the possibility of excluding damage "unacceptable" for his side is 100% excluded! "Perimeter" is not dismantled! But in general, as one character said, that only everyone gets sick with the flu, but they go crazy alone! Most likely, the "author" scares us in order to sow fear, confusion and enmity among us at someone's request! Russia is not Yugoslavia, you can't go wild!
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 4 March 2016 07: 43
    +1
    Quote: nivasander
    if the Ottomans attack the Russian troops in Syria, then our answer to Erdogan Syria will not be limited. + 100500 aviation of the South-East Military District, as well as from the bases in Armenia of the Abkhazia of Crimea will begin to iron the infrastructure of the Ottomans and of course the fleet will add 50 rubles

    If they attack us first, then our base will be destroyed in the first hours. Turks have enough long-range MLRS and OTRK capable of destroying our base from Turkish territory.
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 4 March 2016 07: 44
    0
    Someone outplayed the campaign in cod4.I don’t understand just one thing ... why America should arrange such complex manipulations. We ourselves will cope with our officials ... we will destroy the country, as in 91m. they will have to come to the ready. And to send drg to us ... this is suicide. Tea is not Iraq. Easier to reformat brains.
  • GUKTU
    GUKTU 4 March 2016 07: 47
    -1
    Hmm ... Why do China fight with us when they already occupied our Far East and Primorye? Now officially the lands of Transbaikalia are being leased to China. Then you drive them away from there
  • Averias
    Averias 4 March 2016 07: 49
    +1
    Every day the Internet is replete with this kind of "analytical" articles. Every day from TV screens to all sorts of talk shows, a bunch of "analysts" and "experts" of everything and everyone, tear their throats on this and similar topics. My neighbor, quite a literate person, an honored doctor of Russia, every day tries to sell me the same thing (after listening to the radio on the way to work). I have only one question for the gentlemen "analysts, experts, prophets, oracles and others" - you forgive what, forgive you asleep and see how the war began? If so, then you're sorry, full of idiots. You are fat, hardened in your well-fed brains. You, instead of benefiting Russia, portray exaggerated patriotism from the TV screens. I've always been interested in the following: After all, any show on TV will be removed for a very long time, this is not for you "ran for an hour before work." And if so, then forgive me of course for this question - And when do you work at all? Or why, the widespread fashion for managers (remember the hard times? When almost every parent imagined a manager in their child), this fashion has been replaced by a number of "analysts", "experts" and so on? If so, then we will definitely not see a "bright future".

    PS And here’s another thing, that’s why the words and thoughts of a person (ordinary person by nature), even in some rank, or with some kind of degree by scientists, are immediately imposed (imposed) as an axiom and dogma. Any person, no matter how smart he is, can be mistaken. A vivid example of this is oil price forecasts. After all, what just did not prophesy. A few were right.
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 4 March 2016 16: 20
      0
      I can’t disagree with you, colleague! I myself am constantly asking myself this question and cannot answer it.
      Miracle experts and deputies of the State Duma herds go from one talk show to another. Okay, experts. With rare exceptions, they are academics, presidents and general directors of public associations or ANOs, which themselves created and registered at the address of their own apartment. But, the deputies of the State Duma! They receive money from our taxes! Personally, I, as a voter, do not want to pay for their reckless life on talk shows!

      And the article is full PE! I, as a candidate of military sciences, who served for 10 years in the General Staff, am ashamed that a doctor of military sciences and my former colleague could write such a thing!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 March 2016 07: 51
    +1
    Turkey will announce unilaterally no-fly zone in northern Syria

    I wonder how? Something wrong with the logic. If Erdogan decided on suicide (according to the author), then the flag is in his hands. Although if the author
    Modeling the course of hostilities in this region, which I spent,

    then there are no questions.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 4 March 2016 07: 53
    0
    Complete nonsense of schizophrenic. Why fight the West when they can economically crush Russia? For example, introduce an embargo on the supply of Russian oil and gas? Or other export goods? Then Russia will lose another half of the budget. It will be a disaster.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 4 March 2016 07: 57
      +3
      Quote: kuz363
      For example, introduce an embargo on the supply of Russian oil and gas?

      To China? what
      Quote: kuz363
      Complete nonsense of schizophrenic

      yes
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 March 2016 09: 23
      0
      Yes, they in Europe have already run to cut the throat of their industry - only who will supply gas and oil in the right volumes in the shortest possible time - probably the USA, maybe Ukraine?
  • weksha50
    weksha50 4 March 2016 09: 10
    +4
    Honestly, recently I began to doubt Sivkov’s sanity and adequacy ...

    Either someone is "rummaging" under his name, or the person has ceased to think sensibly ... Moreover, at the military-political strategic level ...

    Speaking of a possible clash between Russia and Turkey on the territory of Syria, too much relies on four T-90s, which should defeat the Turkish armored corps, armed with German Leopards ...

    Speaking about our VKS in Syria, he forgets about the problems in the supply, security, and logistics, and that both the cars and the pilots are working for wear and tear ...

    Speaking about what needs to be done so that the country recovers its economy and power in 10-15 years, it says common truths that have long been known to every kitchen politician ...

    At the same time, he applied an interesting definition: "Sound (or sane) monetary aces" ... And they - such - in nature, and in particular - in Russia - exist ???

    And the conversation about the still mythical Status and its blow to Yellowstone resembles a bazaar-dispute of boys in kindergarten - who writes further ...

    Even speaking of Satan (why not call her by our name - Voivode?) He attributed the mythical flight range ...

    In general, I did not put a minus out of the principle, but in general the article deserves a bunch of minuses ...
    And once again I repeat: if it was precisely Sivkov who wrote this, then a person falls into insanity ...

    If someone wrote under his name - that’s already another caliber ... And they feel the opinion of certain circles of society, and undermine the authority of the peasant, so that after such articles his subsequent, maybe smart, competent, but no one has read ...
  • A-Sim
    A-Sim 4 March 2016 09: 11
    +1
    Read to this:
    “First of all, first of all, all healthy monetary forces in Russia need to realize that the defeat of Russia means the collapse of their property and the collapse of all their well-being. Secondly, high-ranking officials who will also be threatened, if not by death, then ruin and tribunal. Thirdly, the patriotic forces of Russia need to realize that under the current conditions, in no case should they succumb to the temptation of overthrowing this power. In no case should they join the liberal wave. "
    , and realized - a waste of time.
  • electrooleg
    electrooleg 4 March 2016 09: 14
    0
    If instead of a news sheet - you can not read.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 March 2016 09: 15
    +1
    Then the Russian Federation will cease to exist, not being able to respond with a nuclear strike.

    Ahtor, sick? Ali how? Absolute nonsense! laughing
  • RomanS
    RomanS 4 March 2016 09: 20
    +1
    I suggest moderators not to post articles without a certificate from the author about mental sanity. This author is not the first depressive opus on the topic of armed confrontation with Russia. Downright "messenger of the apocalypse". Earlier it was already written that PROFESSIONALS with access to the information of OV, and not amateurs from the couch, are engaged in the modeling of armed clashes!
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 4 March 2016 09: 36
    +2
    Being not a military expert, and, in principle, a little knowledgeable person in the field of the actual state of the Russian armed forces and available nuclear weapons, knowing only what can be gleaned from the news or from the explanations of Russian military experts, I cannot and do not have the right to judge how likely script described by Sivkov. But, knowing the state of affairs in our economy, the state of the education system, including the military, is still appalling for Russia’s dependence on the West, which has not gone away and will not go away until the banking system is nationalized and, as Sivkov correctly says, strategically important raw materials resources, then I, perhaps, will agree with Sivkov with his just such a forecast. Perhaps, already during this war, during its already hot phase, it will be possible in the country in some way to get rid of the fifth column in power, and only with the predominant role of power structures. As long as the Chubais rule the country, we are not fully protected from defeats and are not even ready for serious global military operations, since the country's economy is not adapted to them and nothing is being done to change this.
  • UVB
    UVB 4 March 2016 09: 45
    +4
    and wash away all living things to a depth of 15000 km from the coast
    Visual competence of the author. I would like to see on a map a place that is so far from the coast.
  • Jogr1945
    Jogr1945 4 March 2016 11: 26
    0
    Everything is possible but too much-If ...
  • pavelty
    pavelty 4 March 2016 12: 21
    0
    Sivkov lately all the time wants to fight ... dug up an assault rifle?)
  • South Ural
    South Ural 4 March 2016 12: 34
    0
    Alas, the article is largely realistic (not all). Remember - much that seemed unreal in a short time became habitual. Our country really has no allies. And the scenarios with the capture described in the article were actually known to history as the Barbaross plan and the Ost plan !!! China appeared here
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 March 2016 12: 54
    0
    And here China appeared ... And it, they, the Chinese need to get into someone else's showdown, they have their own problems above the roof, and they understand that they will be next ...
  • Bredovich705
    Bredovich705 4 March 2016 15: 24
    +1
    Mr. Sivkov, you are either paranoid or your payroll is in English!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 March 2016 15: 42
      0
      The peasant just starts to move the roof, from the powerful information flows of the world.
  • Al1977
    Al1977 4 March 2016 16: 59
    0
    A likely scenario in this case could be an attack by the Ukrainian Kiev junta on the DPR and LPR.

    The author says that Russia uses the armed forces in Ukraine? Hmm ... this contradicts the statements of the Foreign Ministry, the President and others. Where did he get such thoughts? In the DPR and LPR there is not and was not our military. )))
  • hobot
    hobot 4 March 2016 18: 09
    0
    I still don’t understand, but where about the Martians?
  • TOR2
    TOR2 4 March 2016 20: 23
    0
    Hitting such a missile with such a warhead on the Yellowstone volcano instantly initiates its explosion, and destroys the United States along with Canada and the northern part of South America, simultaneously destroying half of Europe

    To win with such a mess is not enough, you also need to try to save the planet. You can achieve good results by detonating just 2 -3 atomic bombs. 1st - in the area of ​​the oil platforms of Norway, 2nd - in the area of ​​the oil platforms of the Saudis, 3rd - Qatar. NATO loves to show off a large number of members. So the blow will be on all members at the same time. Nothing will happen to the planet, devices of such power in the atmosphere have already exploded. A well-played party will give mankind peace for 50-70 years for sure.