Rogozin: Sukhoi is working on a 6 generation fighter

The Sukhoi Design Bureau presented its achievements in building an 6 fighter, Dmitry Rogozin said after a meeting on the development of military aircraft manufacturing.

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“We are now talking about new, dedicated works, which were very briefly presented by the Sukhoi Design Bureau and the general designer, who has been appointed for all aircraft complexes and armaments,” the newspaper quotes Rogozin Look.

“We are really talking about the ideas of creating a sixth generation fighter,” he added.

According to him, “as of today, the Russian aircraft industry is in the situation of state tests of the fifth generation fighter”.

Vice Prime Minister emphasized that “now it is necessary to look far ahead in order to move to a new quality of Russian aviation».

In addition, “to maintain positions, it is necessary to rejuvenate personnel, consolidate the industry, engage in its technological re-equipment and cooperate with everyone on whom the success of cooperation depends.”

In turn, Air Force Commander Viktor Bondarev, noted that "the 6 generation aircraft is being developed in manned and unmanned versions."

Answering journalists' questions about new developments, the general said: “If we stop now, we will stop forever. (Go) work and the sixth, and probably the seventh (generation). I have no right to say much. ”

Comments

[Michael67]

Right. We need to think about the future today. It is a pity that we have to arm ourselves. When will money bags get drunk already?

[vodolaz]

That's right: if you want peace, get ready for war. It is very pleasing that our military-industrial complex is reborn after the 90s.

[GSH-18]

I am glad that the system of succession and medium-term and long-range planning is now beginning to line up - this is the guarantee that our sky will always be under reliable protection of the Russian Air Force!
I really look forward to the start of the arrival of the T-50 in combat units. This year, the plan will receive two T-50s.

[cniza]

In turn, Air Force Commander Viktor Bondarev, noted that "the 6 generation aircraft is being developed in manned and unmanned versions."

How is Obama with his attempts? If only they would not slow down - success.

[Michael67]

Abama's turnip itches - "shtoyta my raptors so fucking fly?" The tail will soon fall off from anger.

[GDP]

Features of the 6 generation fighter:

1. the ability to control without a pilot at overloads inaccessible to humans.
2. Higher speed up to 1,5-2 max cruising and up to 5 max afterburners or same speed but an order of magnitude higher profitability.
3. Significantly lower stealth
4. Greater radius of detection and destruction of targets
5. Over maneuverability

At the same time, opinions on the concept of the 6 generation in the USA and Russia do not coincide in many respects.
Experts suggest the possibility of developing such a fighter no earlier than in 20 years ...

[gridasov]

High speeds require an analytical technique for processing information. What kind of analysis of dynamic processes can we talk about if the whole mathematical theory is based on binary logic. Including my reasoning will immediately be perceived as unperceptible.

[Cat man null]

gridasov, you are funny

Quote: gridasov

High speeds require an analytical information processing technique

Yeah ... but low and medium speeds do not require such processing .. "Yes", "No", "Don't know"?

Quote: gridasov

whole mathematical theory is based on binary logic

What do you suggest? "Yes, No, I don't know"? Something else? Voice something positive, coming from you personally .. You just shout that "everything is bad and they don't understand me" ..

Quote: gridasov

my reasoning will immediately be perceived as unperceived

So there is no reasoning ... nothing to perceive

[gridasov]

The whole logic of analysis and machine processing of information media are built on binary logic. If, with such a technique, someone tried to take into account the entire possible totality of all the information of any process, then this is impossible simply for energy reasons. Therefore, modern mathematical technology is a method of analyzing low-potential physical phenomena, and the more highly dynamic they are, the higher the potential and capacity of so-called big data. In general, no one denies anything, but the conversation is about the possibility of accounting and analysis of super-large mathematical data. Therefore, the answer is simple for functions of a variable value of a number, and mathematics itself, when analyzing super-large data, is inaccurate, by definition, but for a function of a constant value of a number, one can construct the whole set of possible variations of events without depending on the energy consumption for transferring a unit of information. Therefore, the construction of the analysis method on such a basis allows us to see new algorithms of physical processes and are much more logical than the processes in jet, turbine and other engines. Therefore, I am so categorical in my statements.

[Cat man null]

Quote: gridasov

low potential physical phenomena and the more they are highly dynamic

Compare (in one phrase) warm with soft, no?

Quote: gridasov

variable number

What is it like? First we have 2 = 5; then 2 = 6 ... so what?

Quote: gridasov

building an analysis method on this basis

What the hell is "such" basis ??

Quote: gridasov

new algorithms physical processes

New models physical processes, apparently? Algorithms of physical processes are set by nature and cannot be "new" .. IMHO.

Quote: gridasov

Therefore, I am so categorical in my statements

In your reasoning you are ... slurred. This is still put it mildly.

IMHO, I repeat.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Cat Man Null

New models of physical. processes, apparently? Algorithms of physical processes are set by nature and cannot be "new" .. IMHO.

I read with interest your polemic with "gridasov" about the modeling of physical phenomena. Interesting is his semi-literate theory about it - here is at least one of his phrases: "the whole mathematical theory is based on binary logic." Mathematics is a fundamental science and binary calculus is just a small section in this all-encompassing science.
But you are also more careful with phrases. What algorithms are set by nature - no one knows, except for the Creator of nature. People observing the experiments and their results, only create mathematical and physical models within the framework of their knowledge of the World at a particular moment in their development. And all the formulas are just an attempt to find a good way to predict the result, with certain initial data. You look at how many physical formulas there are all the constants and constants that do not have exact values. Surely the Creator created this World using approximate data, i.e. approximately, by eye?

[gridasov]

You cannot dispute that fact. that all mathematics is calculated and it is aimed at finding the only correct solution. In this case, the analysis of dynamic processes, which are all processes in nature, can and should be done by determining the disposition of such decisions in conjunction with other processes and solutions.

[abrakadabre]

I read with interest your polemic with "gridasov" about the modeling of physical phenomena. Interesting is his semi-literate theory about this

1. There is no theory.
2. There is no logic.
3. I am inclined to think that this is a software bot that generates a science-like text from an array of scientific terms with a random number generator. Because None of his similar koment, no matter how I tried, never guessed any physical or mathematical meaning. Although I am with a physical education. education.

So do not be afraid to find some reason for controversy there. This is about nothing.

[Cat man null]

Quote: abrakadabre

1. There is no theory.
2. There is no logic.

+1000

Quote: abrakadabre

None of his similar koment, no matter how I tried, never guessed any physical or mathematical meaning

Not only that - there are often words that do not fit together well

And anyway - this guy reminds me a lot of engineer Polesov (Ilf and Petrov, 12 chairs, EMNIP)

[FID]

Quote: gridasov

The whole logic of analysis and machine processing of information media are built on binary logic.

I'm sorry, can you offer something new to the machine? The processor can work only with 0 and 1, data exchange is hexadecimal arrays (although, by and large, this is the same binary) ... But there is no other ...

[abrakadabre]

The processor can only work with 0 and 1

In fact, electronics can be relatively easily forced to work with three signal combinations:

0 (no signal during the measure),
1 (there is a signal of a certain polarity, taken as 1) and
-1 (reverse polarity signal).

All other options with a different base of calculation are theoretically possible, but unjustifiably complicate the design without a substantial gain in anything else.

A ternary computer with a relatively small complication of circuits has a significant gain:
- in reducing the clock frequency to ensure equal performance. This means greater efficiency with equal performance (lower clock frequency reduces heat loss, reduces the risk of dielectric breakdown in a dense circuit, etc.), or greater performance at equal clock frequency (about one and a half times).
- direct compatibility with conventional computer programs based on a binary number system in the absence of backward compatibility. Which may be important in applications that are sensitive for security reasons or for viral security.

[gridasov]

In fact, advanced scientists are moving in the right direction. Matroids, scale-invariant structures need one key parameter - DYNAMICS. Of course, the dynamics are not artificially created by additional definitions, but by natural processes embedded in the properties of numbers.
If you understand that you can work with three combinations of momentum, then why not develop it immediately to the multipolar distribution of the momentum and associate it with numbers and the natural series. This is much simpler than with binary.

[Winnie76]

Gridasov, now you are my idol. Tell us about yourself ... what do you do, what do you smoke ...

[iConst]

Quote: Cat Man Null

gridasov, you are funny

- Yes, damn all of us troll, and you are being fought ...

This gridasov is either a troll or a (auto) bot.

[Throw]

Gridasov is a Decepticon!
Short circuit

[gridasov]

But you are all right! And I, too, am not a supporter of the emergence of dissent. I want everything to remain in place and in the order that everyone is used to. But everything is changing and transforming in any way. If we knew where we were going and what it was, it would be better not to know.

[PKK]

At high speeds, materials melt and burn, titanium does not save. There will be materials, technologies, there will be speed. Again, a race whose drone lays better than bends. It will be difficult to track such a battle with sight.

[gridasov]

Right! Melting and burning are phenomena that are electric. magnetic processes. Then the ionization potential can be concentrated and distributed to the load zones of the aircraft surface. And everything is easy enough to analyze, because it is not based on abstraction. but on exact mathematical justifications.

[Igluxnumx]

Melting and burning are phenomena that are electric. magnetic processes. ????? Rave.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

gridasov-in general, the combustion process as well as the melting that occurs using oxygen is the process of oxidation of materials with the release of heat into the atmosphere .... this process has no relation to electromagnetic fields

[Blondy]

Well, why - the particle-wave duality of the electron. Everything has its own fields, just like with money, the essence is not in stock, but in quantity, well, or in intensity, if a bit more strict. But in general, I read that if a specialist cannot explain something in a simple language, so that the cleaning lady could understand, then he does not really understand anything about this. Judging by the enthusiasm for using highly scientific terminology, I would put gridasov somewhere in the first or second year. I think, in three years terminological gushing will end, if only the enthusiasm remains.

[APASUS]

Quote: Blondy

Judging by the enthusiasm for using highly scientific terminology, I would put gridasov somewhere in the first or second year. I think, in three years terminological gushing will end, if only the enthusiasm remains.

I haven’t neighing like this for a long time, reading the dialogues of the aforementioned comrades ..................

[gridasov]

It’s true that I’m not from your gateway and the verbal expressions of your team are incomprehensible to me. Therefore, I regret that you do not see the semantic content of the discussion, and I am not a student in the essay lesson

[APASUS]

Quote: gridasov

It’s true that I’m not from your gateway and the verbal expressions of your team are incomprehensible to me. Therefore, I regret that you do not see the semantic content of the discussion, and I am not a student in the essay lesson

You are wronged, my dear!
If you want to write about the physics of combustion and conduct a dialogue with equals, then at Moscow State University there is a faculty of "Mechanics and Mathematics", they are just studying "Mechanics of liquid, gas and plasma" write to them, they have a group on the internet ... ..........

[gridasov]

The right word is not offended. Thank you for the hint.

[abrakadabre]

Judging by the enthusiasm for using highly scientific terminology, I would put gridasov somewhere in the first or second year.

You flatter him. If some evolution had been visible over the years, I would agree with you. And so ...
It's like a good dog - a puppy before old age. So here - until old age a second-year student turns out.

[abrakadabre]

In fact, strictly speaking, combustion / oxidation is an electromagnetic process. Of the 4 interactions known to science, neither strong nor weak nuclear interactions, nor gravity, are involved in combustion. Electromagnetism only

But in this particular application, delving into SUCH wilds is akin to intellectual onanism. What us in every post and demonstrates gridasov

[Cat man null]

Quote: gridasov

Melting and burning are phenomena that are electric. magnetic processes

Oh, how ... Add even then "burning is much more electromagnetic than melting" - it will be very in your style

As my grandmother said (about me) - "your energy would be .. yes for peaceful purposes."

Inspired, ring

[gridasov]

But you are right! The processes of combustion, melting, evaporation, stable plasma formations and the same ionization processes are all the dimensions of magnetic force interactions

[Vita vko]

Quote: GDP

Features of the 6 generation fighter:

Please note that in generations 4+ and 5, multifunctionality is laid. In this case, any engineer will definitely tell you that any specialized device, even the most primitive, will always be better and cheaper than a universal one.

[ferdiperdozzz]

Quote: GDP

3. Significantly lower stealth

That is, it will be visible from far away? -)))

[abrakadabre]

Maybe here they decided to stir up the opposite option - not to hide their own radiation or to reduce the reflected signal, but rather to blind so that the epicenter of the nuclear explosion seemed like a cool shadow.

Or, shhhh ... this passage prompted gridasov to the author? ..

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: GDP

Features of the 6 generation fighter:

1. the ability to control without a pilot at overloads inaccessible to humans.
2. Higher speed up to 1,5-2 max cruising and up to 5 max afterburners or same speed but an order of magnitude higher profitability.
3. Significantly lower stealth
4. Greater radius of detection and destruction of targets
5. Over maneuverability

At the same time, opinions on the concept of the 6 generation in the USA and Russia do not coincide in many respects.
Experts suggest the possibility of developing such a fighter no earlier than in 20 years ...

The ability to go into outer space can still be added

[GSH-18]

Quote: Michael67

Abama's turnip itches - "shtoyta my raptors so fucking fly?" The tail will soon fall off from anger.

If they elect Clintonsha, Obama will seem to us the dove of peace. This damn woman can do business! This is what cannot be allowed. The FSB and the GRU think I received the relevant instructions ....

[Maksus]

Why not the seventh at once? Maybe for a start it is worth FINALLY formulating requirements for the fifth generation aircraft? And the sixth - what should he be able to, for what purposes?
And so yes, I officially declare that I have begun work on a promising eighth-generation aircraft. So far, I’m asking a billion rubles to draw up an action plan ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Maksus

Maybe for a start it is worth FINALLY formulating requirements for the fifth generation aircraft?

He already passes GOSy, called PAK FA. Our fifth generation aircraft. And, which is characteristic, TK was put on it many years ago.

Quote: Maksus

And the sixth - what should he be able to, for what purposes?

Here Sukhoi presented his vision and presented what and for which. What is so strange here?

Quote: Maksus

And so yes, I officially declare that I have begun work on a promising eighth-generation aircraft. So far I’m asking a billion rubles to draw up an action plan

Firstly, if dry and asks for money, then the article does not say a word about it. And secondly - your official statement is still not enough, that's how you imagine a fifth-generation fighter on state - then yes, ask a billion boldly :))) They are unlikely to give something, but still there will be grounds for your request

[Maksus]

True? GOSy passes? And in what specialty?
But seriously, in my practice there have already been immeasurably ultramodern and lacking analogues of products that will never see the series, then all these exclamations sound unconvincing. Where was our military-industrial complex when the Americans were actively armed with the Raptor? Now we are trying to create a super plane without having enough 4 ++ in the combat units.

P.S. By requirements I had in mind - goals, objectives, organizational staff, tactics of application. The machine will turn out somewhat different from 4 ++.

[Dewa1s]

Where was our military-industrial complex when the Americans were actively armed with the Raptor?

In the same place as the rest of the country - in a deep ass. And what?

[dyksi]

I agree with you, first you need to bring to mind the fifth, because there are not even engines for it. I have already read on the internet that they are thinking about the seventh generation, and in VKS 4+ you can count on one hand. It can concentrate on the T-50, a promising interceptor, and it is banal to supply Sukhari and Migarei 4 ++ to the Aerospace Forces in sufficient quantities, because the country is under sanctions, and development should be carried out in parallel, but without destroying the military budget, we are talking about about tens of billions of greens. But still a promising bomber, transport. We can simply be left without trousers, and science must first be restored.

[Cat man null]

Quote: dyksi

...

Horses, people mixed up in a heap .. (c) M.Yu. Lermontov, "Borodino"

Quote: dyksi

and develop parallel

So they are in parallel and lead

Quote: dyksi

Yes, and science must first be restored

Quote: A & BStrugatsky, "Lame Destiny"

... and livestock!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Horses mixed in a bunch, people ..

And in such cases I write: "A bunch of ponies, people, and volleys of thousands of guns are mixed together :)))

[Corsair]

Quote: dyksi

I agree with you, first you need to bring to mind the fifth, because even there are no engines for it. Already read on the internet that they thought about the seventh generation, and in the VKS 4+ you can count on the fingers.

Nothing prevents the development of 6-7, etc. generation (work on materials, glider, etc.). The development of the aircraft is not a matter of one year, promising developments are sometimes stored for years until the layout project and to the working version, and besides, they are often subjected to changes in accordance with modern realities. For this reason, the sketches, options, initially unacceptable projects and proposals are stored for many years in special archives of the Design Bureau, and much of what is now used is a hurt left over after the USSR.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: dyksi

I agree with you, first you need to bring to mind the fifth, because even there are no engines for it

I will tell you a military secret (only you to anyone, okay?)
The fact is that weapons, a glider, radar, OLS, communications equipment, electronic warfare, navigation systems, structural materials, engines, and so on and so forth - in general, all the things that make up a modern combat aircraft are done by .... different people! There are quite a lot of these people :))) And, often, they work in completely different institutions :)))
Currently, most of them have already completed their work on the PAK FA. Perhaps, the only one who is seriously behind (and to say how behind it? They are actually in the schedule) are engine drivers. therefore
1) Your speech about the fact that for the PAK FA "there are no engines" is a little strange. What does EVEN mean? The rest is almost everything. Despite the fact that PAK FA shows excellent performance characteristics even with the existing engines of the first stage. Which many people for some reason confuse with engines from the Su-35, although these are fundamentally different models.
2) You suggest that until our dvatatelists develop the second stage dvigun for PAK FA, all the rest - avionics developers, all kinds of chemists / physicists (God grant them health and a long summer!), Mumbling over new composites, dry designers - All of them reorient to the production of pots for the benefit of society?

Quote: dyksi

Already read on the internet that they were thinking about the seventh generation, and in the VKS 4 + you can count on the fingers.

Over eighty Su-34, over fifty Su-30 (not including the naval ones) 36 Su-35 ... about the 20 Mig-29K and 4 CUBE we don’t remember - they are also naval.
I am sincerely happy for your fingers!

Quote: dyksi

the Vedas are tens of billions of green.

It would be tens of billions in the states, and it took us less than a dozen for the entire PAK FA.

Quote: dyksi

We can be corny without pants

What questions - let's stay without pants unbanal!

[vlad_vlad]

And Rogozin is a future man, everything is in his future - we will develop, build, put into action ...

in the present he has to get into a tank, take a photo with a weapon, 99 times threaten someone who builds, develops and introduces.

how is it by the way with the plant that builds the BMP? went broke? Does Rogozin know about this? something already stated?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: vlad_vlad

And Rogozin is a future man, everything is in his future - we will develop, build, put into action ...

Not really, he promised the other day that by autumn he would launch a floating nuclear power plant in St. Petersburg at the Baltic Plant. Everything would be fine, they just let her down in 2010, and as the press service of the plant said, they’re not going to launch anything this fall
http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D


0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B43/

so he’s a strange man, you shouldn’t take him directly literally. Typical Humanities

[vlad_vlad]

uh .. didn't know. Got it. it is difficult to do something with your hands when the working tool is language.

[theadenter]

Tell me. How does the development of a 6th generation fighter interfere with the development of a 5th generation fighter?
PAK FA is already in trials. What do you want to do with idle scientific and design resources?
It is necessary to continuously use all layers of production and research so as not to lose both them and valuable personnel.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Maksus

And so yes, I officially declare that I have begun work on a promising eighth-generation aircraft. So far, I’m asking a billion rubles to draw up an action plan ...

Turn off dyraka, turn on the brain, Schaub do not make people laugh.

[Maksus]

We stop pretending to be "armchair marshall" and silently step aside, because there is nothing here.

[Warlock_r]

Ready to start work for 500 million. )))

[PKK]

How quickly this is done, unlike the F22go. Can I live to the 7th generation of hawks? !!!.

[GSH-18]

Quote: PKK

How quickly this is done, unlike the F22go. Can I live to the 7th generation of hawks? !!!.

There is simply no other choice. We have to catch up ahead of schedule.

[Nick]

Quote: cniza

How is Obama with his attempts? If only they would not slow down - success.

Obama will pass the post the other day, he doesn’t care ...

[Denis Obukhov]

God grant that everything works out. Patience, strength and good luck.

[Wiruz]

6th generation aircraft developed in manned and unmanned versions

As far as I know, the sixth generation fighter is the default unmanned vehicle

[demo]

I would like to know what criteria are set for an aircraft of this generation?

What confuses me in these generations.
If the speed is higher, the thrust is greater, the ceiling is larger, then this is probably not the next generation, but simply a better and more modern car.

Most likely this is all from the Evil One.

[ferdiperdozzz]

Quote: demo

I would like to know what criteria are set for an aircraft of this generation?

http://vsluh.net/show-6434-nasa-sobiraetsya-stroit-fantasticheskiy-korabl.html

:))

[weksha50]

Quote: Wiruz

As far as I know, the sixth generation fighter is the default unmanned vehicle

Yes ... even for the simple reason that future capabilities simply will not allow the pilot to control it based on physical data - both in piloting and in decision-making speed ...

[gridasov]

However, this is possible. You just need to switch to a new format for analyzing those physical processes that are ignored as highly dynamic states. You just need to go into the format of the analysis of not specified and considered properties of interactions, but in the format of accounting for all possible variations of the transformation and physical events and their mathematical method of analysis.

[GSH-18]

Quote: gridasov

However, this is possible. You just need to switch to a new format for analyzing those physical processes that are ignored as highly dynamic states. You just need to go into the format of the analysis of not specified and considered properties of interactions, but in the format of accounting for all possible variations of the transformation and physical events and their mathematical method of analysis.

Hrenase! Is it you with whom you messed up?
And can you explain to a wide audience what this means?

[gridasov]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: gridasov

However, this is possible. You just need to switch to a new format for analyzing those physical processes that are ignored as highly dynamic states. You just need to go into the format of the analysis of not specified and considered properties of interactions, but in the format of accounting for all possible variations of the transformation and physical events and their mathematical method of analysis.

Hrenase! Is it you with whom you messed up?
And can you explain to a wide audience what this means?

We take everything visible, heard, perceived by tactile methods of perception as obvious, through that information processing technique, which is embedded in a whole complex of environmental influences and upbringing, in our minds. The vast majority of people perceive the world through the prism of binary logic badly-well. This is called duality in the analysis technique. This does not mean that many do not see the third, fourth and other sides of the analysis aspect. The question is that machine processing methods are based on the functions of a transistor, which is really that fundamental device for transforming an information impulse. Hence, we carry out the entire analysis as a process in a linear form, that is, sequentially in one vector. However, having included the method of mathematical analysis, the function of a constant value of a number, we can construct a radial system of dimension based on the Nat numbers. row. And when working with big data, we have any mathematical sequence, including primes and Pi numbers and all others without exception, like algorithms of not only the numbers themselves, but also the transformation algorithms of these number algorithms. In other words, any sequence can be turned into a pattern and symmetry between numbers. And the most important thing is that having built the mathematical structure, we build vectors from the series of numbers, and what is surprising is the interaction potential between the numbers, and these series of numbers show algorithms for the density of this potential expressed by the numbers themselves. That is, we see the dynamics when interacting with numbers through the behavior properties of these numbers . Just as properties show the essence of the number itself and their interactions, one can refuse to use symbolism in the expression of both the number and its properties. In other words, this symbol is replaced by a pulse of this number, which is determined by its disposition with respect to both the base and the simultaneous pulses in this transistor. However, this is not a flat transistor or 3D. This is a spatial structure. Ultimately, all the processors that are used in computers are replaced by a purely mathematical organizer of processes in analysis and analysis, not only obvious phenomena and processes are exposed, but also all non-obvious processes, since we have the energy parameters for comparing all actions and code movements. In general, it is more difficult to explain this more simply. Still, you must make some efforts.

[Winnie76]

Gridasov, you blew my brain. Shattered and halved. I pray about one thing. Write who you work with. Better in profile. I won’t be able to review the comments again ... I fear for the fragility of my cerebellum.

But seriously, behind the formless heap of pseudoscientific phrases usually lies hiding and ignorance.

[gridasov]

Seriously, my task is not to pose or remake the world. Shapeless heap!? Then why bother? Use your own worldview and in the bright future, go ahead. In general, a theory is always a precursor to specific technical solutions. If this is not a simple chatter. Therefore, if you could read and reason, you would notice. that for all reasoning there is a specific application in ready-made technical solutions. Therefore, I think the discussion is over. All success!

[alex86]

No need to feed him - he has been carrying this blizzard for a long time, there’s no one to talk to, apparently, in real life, but here someone will bite, but the person is pleased. And on a bench at the entrance, no one will listen to this nonsense.

[gridasov]

You are all great guys! But even if you admit it. that I am an impudent and not trained vocational school student, I still tried to substantiate my reasoning. At the same time, I did not say anything new. The arguments came from already known and well-grounded facts. You have not even tried to formulate your views. Some personal emotional statements are worthy of the "UO" of people. Therefore, if these forums were read by your employers, then in their place I would have fired everyone. You are simply eating up people's money. And in the light of the growing confrontation and tendencies towards an increase in the density of events, you cannot give anything progressive.

[alex86]

Quote: gridasov

tried to substantiate his reasoning

- no, I didn’t try

Quote: gridasov

In this case, I did not say anything new

not only nothing new, but nothing at all

Quote: gridasov

You didn’t even try to formulate your views.

- so it didn’t work out for you, therefore there is no discussion field and there is nothing to oppose

Quote: gridasov

You just eat folk money

- I personally earn money, and if I get paid, then my work is needed. And you, apparently, judge by yourself

Quote: gridasov

in light of the growing confrontation and the tendency to increase the density of events, you cannot give anything progressive.

- the phrase is cool, only, as always with you, about nothing

[ferdiperdozzz]

The pilot will have a chip implanted in the head from Microsoft or Google. And all the business. :)

[Corsair]

Quote: Wiruz

As far as I know, the sixth generation fighter is the default unmanned vehicle

Why? The Americans, for example, practically do not focus on maneuverability, their initial tasks are to be "invisible" for as long as possible and shoot as far away as possible. Is the speed higher? There is a limit for materials, engines, plus the higher the speed, the greater the overload during maneuvers - the airframe of the aircraft also does not have unlimited strength.
unless you need to think about protecting the pilot, but this puts another condition - the need for an advanced intelligence system for autonomous work.

[abrakadabre]

initial tasks - to be "invisible" as long as possible and shoot as far as possible.

In the limit - an underground mine rocket launcher has all these features:
- On radars not displayed from the word at all
- Able to launch an attack without taking off from the base.
- There is no need for fuel,
- Overload is always 1G and is directed normal
- There are practically no physical restrictions on the amount of ammunition, the number of the crew, the maximum "caliber" of weapons
- It is an all-weather, all-weather and round-the-clock system.

Thus, the aircraft of the eleventh generation has long been invented and adopted: the bomber version - ICBMs, fighter - air defense systems.

[Corsair]

Quote: abrakadabre

Thus, the aircraft of the eleventh generation has long been invented and adopted: the bomber version - ICBMs, fighter - air defense systems.

test, just still quickly move underground or under water ShRP teach, well, hang a good radar system on the moon.

[Irokez]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

God grant that everything works out. Patience, strength and good luck.

What happened? At the moment, only the theoretical principles of a possible 6th generation are laid. There is still little understanding of what future fighter should be, and therefore theoretical sketches and predictions. It should appear new types of weapons or new propellers, or the physical laws of aerodynamics that can somehow be changed in space and everything can immediately change upside down.
So far this is a theory, and in 5-10 years, more specifically, everything will begin and count as almost from scratch.

[epsilon571]

It should appear new types of weapons or new propellers, or the physical laws of aerodynamics that can somehow be changed in space and everything can immediately change upside down.

The physical laws of aerodynamics cannot be changed, they can only be improved, but at the expense of space and time, the soap is correct. This idea is based on the effects of antigravity, which official science today considers heretical. Fiction, you say, all kinds of energies have long been known to everyone, open, and there is no other way to discover something new.
Well, so, in order to create doubt in your head, I will continue. I am sure that not only individual laboratories are involved in this topic, but whole institutes are also possible.

Here is a far from complete list of such new studies: Recent discoveries of stopping the laser beam (in England), and therefore time in the meager section of the beam. Studies of ceramic rotary disks - overcoming, albeit for now, by 2% gravity. Getting using radiation and converting some elements to completely different (an easy way to mine gold). The discovery of resonance in electrical engineering is an almost perpetual motion machine. The influence of electromagnetic radiation at the genetic level and the ability of researchers to reach the threshold when the disease recedes forever.

The main thing is to believe in yourself and not stop there.

[Irokez]

A huge plus for you. I am just like you and I consider all these new principles and ideas real, it’s just that the time has not come yet and science has not made those discoveries that allow you to look into the unknown. And maybe in the near future, science and religion will harmoniously complement each other without denying each other because they go towards each other, but from different sides.

[gridasov]

Absolutely right! In order to achieve a breakthrough and a result, a modern scientist must use information from all sources. Therefore, religion and mysticism, and any idle reasoning, may appear as the needle in the haystack that a person seeks after comprehending the truth. A scientist cannot and does not have the right to assert that there is no justification. He must find this justification, and send the body of knowledge in the right direction.

[Irokez]

Quote: gridasov

A scientist cannot and does not have the right to assert that there is no justification.

You are on the right understanding and see the path of further development of civilization.

[gridasov]

You correctly say that there are laws. The question is whether we interpret what we saw and misunderstood. Therefore, the time has come to talk about the qualitative parameters of new types of energy. So you just need to see everything on the basis of a new analysis and, of course, not without the participation of modern achievements.

[Samen]

the general said: “If we stop now, we will stop forever

These words must be knocked out in gold on marble!
General Viktor Bondarev - to all generals general !!!
Not like us "sofa" ... we cannot write without errors ((((

the physical laws of aerodynamics that can somehow be changed in space and everything can immediately change upside down.

The physical laws, alas, are unchanged! A-priory.
But, when you look at the flight of SUSHEK, you get a steady feeling that such a flight is not subject to the laws!

[Irokez]

Quote: Semen

The physical laws, alas, are unchanged! A-priory.
But, when you look at the flight of SUSHEK, you get a steady feeling that such a flight is not subject to the laws!

You asked a respected question and almost answered it yourself.
There are physical laws, but not all methods are still open how they can be circumvented or changed, and there are still a lot of incomprehensible and undiscovered ones. In the past, no one thought that you could fly through the air. But after all, not only the principle of wing aerodynamics flew, they began to use steel, but also a balloon and a helicopter propeller or a rocket engine.
And how much is not open yet? And therefore, it cannot be argued that everything has already been invented and the principles of air movement have been exhausted. In the future, gravity may become a key factor, the electromagnetic field and plasma technologies of propulsion, and even the energy of the etheric world. All these are key points for the technology of the future.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Semen

These words must be knocked out in gold on marble!

Maybe as Medvedev said - "cast in granite"))))

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Maybe as Medvedev said - "cast in granite")

Medvedev ??)))) or him?)))))))

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Medvedev ??)))) or him?))))))) Wassat

Well, yes, it’s not a fact that the iPhone still does not know what is being cut from granite, and it can only be cast on granite)

[dmi.pris1]

Money bags will never get drunk, their descendants will come to replace them .. One way out is to block their insatiable havalnik, at least for some. Yes, of course, you need to think about the sixth generation, although the best news is the installation of regular engines on PAK FA ..

Quote: Michael67

Right. We need to think about the future today. It is a pity that we have to arm ourselves. When will money bags get drunk already?

[avebersek]

A budget will never keep up with engineering. But you need to strive ... And thank God that there are still talents in our homeland.

[Magic archer]

I wonder what requirements are imposed on an 6 generation aircraft? The funniest thing is that we still have 5 in our arsenal! The Americans are still silent. There was some information that this would be an aircraft with the possibility of access to the nearest space, with laser armament and most likely unmanned. But ... This is all at the level of speculation so far, so wait and see!

[Michael67]

Here is the sixth generation video:

[tchoni]

This is not a video about the Russian sixth generation, but footage cut from a very American stealth movie. And spiced with journalistic fantasies, read out in a gallant voice. Don't believe me? Find a movie and watch! Film or 6 roofing felts of the 8th year

[Michael67]

And what, the representative of KRET also fantasizes, and also in the American film?

[tchoni]

The KRET representative only voiced the requirements for the fifth generation aircraft. And no more. Moreover, KRET is all the same radio electronics, not aviation in its purest form. And in what context he voiced all this - no one knows. But, the fact that the appearance of la was licked from the bourgeois film, suggests that this video was made by two MNS for "thanks" during the evening, and it will make it worse, no matter how serious work was done. And this whole video can be easily called "a report on the influence of an infinitely long electromagnetic wave propagating in an ideal vacuum on infinitely believing colleagues."

[Vadim237]

And what will be new in it - a photon radar glider made of ultra-strong, lightweight materials, a combined plasma air jet engine with the ability to achieve hypersonic speeds in afterburner mode, a system for reducing resistance to incoming air flows, a plasma cloud, an avionics system with elements of artificial intelligence.

[engineer74]

You have already left!
The power of the design bureau was freed up (they need much less to be debugged than to develop) - so we decided to help in the future!

[222222]

Magic Archer (2) RU Today, 15:36 New
I wonder what are the requirements for a 6th generation aircraft?
http://ammonation.ru/index/0-162
.7th .USA ". A fully autonomous control computer, laser or electromagnetic weapons or the ability to operate both in the atmosphere and beyond, will have to wait. At least until the seventh generation. And they will not start working on it until 2050 . "

[sever.56]

All is correct. You don’t have to say much, but just do your thing.
They made such an "Armata" that the whole West is still scratching its turnips: - "How is it that the Russians, whom we considered to be a gas station, made such a tank"? T-50 is being brought to mind. It may be hard for us now, but the work is being done.
And the design genius of our scientists and developers can not be doubted. There are smart heads, golden hands and political will - that means the task will be completed.

[A-Sim]

They always go. Just sometimes - on the table, and sometimes - on the metal.

[Asian]

Super aircraft only on paper and pictures, we’ll create one talking room and then things don’t go into the T50. All the electronics shoved from the Su 35, it turned out to be a fifth-generation fighter stuffed with a fourth-generation underfighter.

[Wiruz]

He himself said that he understood ???

[Cat man null]

Just yesterday on VO there was an article about "electronics" for PAK-FA

http://topwar.ru/91773-v-okb-suhogo-razrabotana-novaya-informacionnaya-sistema-d

lya-t-50.html

But the Chukchi, apparently, is not a reader .. Chukchi writer

[Hagalaz]

Quote: Asian

Super aircraft only on paper and pictures, we’ll create one talking room and then things don’t go into the T50. All the electronics shoved from the Su 35, it turned out to be a fifth-generation fighter stuffed with a fourth-generation underfighter.

On VO there is a common expression: "learn the mat. Part." Asian, this has a lot to do with you. The cons were thrown to you reasonably. Do not rush to make large-scale statements when you are completely unaware.

[dchegrinec]

It would be interesting to read the gradation of generations! Sixth, seventh. Who knows what the need will be. This is such a thing, so changing. Today we need a drone, and tomorrow it may lose relevance. But still, this is an interesting and promising direction, a flight of scientific thought, excitement in non-standard advanced solutions. This has always been with the Russian people. Our designers are just great.

[Igor39]

Already the sixth, go nuts! And the fifth when they did not say?

[0255]

Quote: Igor39

Already the sixth, go nuts! And the fifth when they did not say?

The United States also claims to design a 6th generation fighter, although its F-35 will not be finished.

[demchuk.ig]

There is no engine on the T-50 (at least in open sources) and serial production is being taken hold. The Americans will soon write off their F-22.

[Altona]

Please state the technical task! Because all these media stuffing so far are like propaganda. I do not know what criteria were put into this concept. If hypersonic speed, how will it be with the skin and with the state of the pilot? If any other things, then tell me what you want to get on the way out.

[gridasov]

DO NOT be funny. What kind of tasks can we talk about if the issues of understanding physical processes in turbulent flow outflow about the outflow surface are not resolved. It's funny to hear that surfaces are heated by friction coefficients. These concepts cannot be resolved. Furthermore . The principles of operation of modern engines or aircraft turbines have the ultimate parameters of their energy ability. It means. that they cannot be untwisted more than is possible, and therefore it is impossible to raise a jet impulse. In other words, no one sees and does not want to hear about the new principles for organizing the flow in a turbine or about fundamentally new process algorithms in them. This means that there is no engine and there is a significant dependence on fuel consumption and supply.
Further. Reloading processes for the pilot are solved only and only by methods of creating a "live" email. a magnetic shell that is capable of ensuring the viability and operability of the pilot. This requires generators of a new quality of energy. There are none and there is no concept of them either. In general, you can change the shape and and solve problems of an aesthetic nature. Quality will not change from this and new generations will remain the modernization of previous achievements.

[Altona]

Quote: gridasov

DO NOT be funny. What kind of tasks can we talk about

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What about? Is that what they want to get on the way out? You can assign LVL 80 to any prodigy and not require details.

[222222]

http://www.ap7.ru/prognozy/_istrebiteli_shestogo_pokolenija.html
... "" The creators of the X-90 faced several major problems:
Excessive heating of the hull of a hypersonic aircraft (HELA) ... "

[123321]

and there is room for little ones:
http://cont.ws/post/215188

[tchoni]

To formulate the CORRECT requirements for the sixth generation, it would be nice to have at least experience in military operation of the fifth. And the concept of warfare, in which it will be included, would be nice to have.
Most likely, we are talking about the next R&D, the results of which can provide a breakthrough in some of the areas of aviation development. For example, over-maneuverability, hypersound or stratospheric flight ...

[vladfill]

The engine for the PAK FA, for the fifth - no, they promise the car in a series in the 20s, and the sixth ???????

[Vadim237]

And the sixth generation, like the United States, will be in the 30s.

[Botanologist]

To understand the concept of the 6 generation fighter, you need to gain experience in operating the 5 generation fighter. And it turns out that we are trying to fantasize some kind of child prodigy. And what war to prepare it for? To the Parisian? With the terrorists? With alien aliens? With neighbors in the west or in the east?
Otherwise, we will get a "white elephant" that will shoot with a laser and is invisible on radar, and you will have to buy some Super Tucano with a diesel engine and a Lewis machine gun in the cockpit to drive the bearded men in the mountains

[sir_obs]

We need to return to the topic of the spiral, Mikoyan orbital fighter. Of course, time is lost ...

[Vadim237]

Better for single-stage aerospace aircraft like the Tu 2000

[gridasov]

This is elementary. At supersonic and hyperspeeds, pointed forms cannot be used. they are concentrating email. magnetic potential. Therefore, the ionized surface will form such a potential that will ultimately destroy the body. Do not forget that the potential difference on a linear segment (body) forms the potential of the torque of the magnetic forces.

[Engineer]

Seriously? All supersonic hypersonic devices have a spiky shape. Su-27 or F-15 - supersonic with peaked nose shapes. A rocket is an example of a hypersonic apparatus. The shape of the nose of the X-43 is this because of the features of the flow of gases in a discharged stratosphere. This is what Newton described in his writings. And about static electricity and the fight against it on airplanes you can even read on Wikipedia.

[sir_obs]

There was, somehow, a show, and there they showed an aerodynamic laboratory, and it was just a conversation about the shape of the nose for hypersonic devices. It turned out that for them the nose should be blunt and not sharp. I don’t remember exactly how it was explained there, but the point is that with a pointed nose the flow flows around the device smoothly and heats a large surface due to friction on the skin, you have to take care of heat removal throughout the device. In the case of a blunt nose, a vortex is created along the lining and cavity, in which the flow velocity along the lining is less, respectively, and the heating is less. Accordingly, heat must be removed from the smaller surface of the apparatus. But this is true only at high altitudes, where the air density is low. Something like that.
Probably on this topic you can find Old on the net.

[gridasov]

I will try to explain. When constructing a circuit, any elements are connected as linear connections. But space has both coordinate axes and dynamics along the precession axis. Therefore, if you connect the elements according to the spatial connection scheme, then an email is created. a magnetic circuit in which each element of the circuit will be in the magnetic flux of another element. With such a distribution of elements with a spatial circuit, it is possible due to magnetic fluxes to enhance or level the potential and all other parameters of the circuit elements. Therefore, at low flight speeds, pointed forms can be used. This can still be endured somehow, but at hyper speeds the ionization processes, namely the magnetic fluxes that I spoke about earlier, form negative destruction phenomena. So ignore them will not work.

[Engineer]

He combined from three types of power plant: turbojet, direct-flow, rocket. Because it’s easier to create a multi-stage, and even better to develop the concept of Ajax.

[Papapg]

These Obamkin’s primacy sanctions only make us angry and that’s good! With such anger and in all sectors of the economy.

[thinker]

Quote: Magic Archer

I wonder what are the requirements for a 6th generation aircraft? ...

In detail, in English -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_jet_fighter
Smaller, in Russian -
http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/672021

[Lelek]

(According to him, “today the Russian aircraft industry is in a state of testing the fifth generation fighter.”)

As I understand it, the 6th generation aircraft will be unmanned, and the 7th generation aircraft will be a "robot aircraft" with the makings of a transformer.
(cry.)

[Jogr1945]

Maybe we’ll master the 5th generation at first? –– put it into operation. Partly, do at least a hundred and then take it for 6? Or don’t have much money to do?

[SUFER]

Pretty boy!)

[sir_obs]

The TB-7 (Pe-8) bomber initially had a fifth engine, it was inside the fuselage and powered a turbocharger to boost four-wing engines to increase the altitude of the vehicle. There was a two-stroke engine to drive this compressor. Engineers decided to put a four-stroke. I don’t remember the essence of the proposal, but this is not about that. At that time, all the work was under the patronage of Lavrenty Pavlovich. In all leading positions were his people, and their indenters were their deputies. Accordingly, it was necessary first to approve the idea with the authorities, not burdened by engineering science, but representing power.
They come to the “main thing” and say, they say, we want to put a four-stroke “engine instead of a two-stroke.” He wrinkled his forehead and said, maybe it’s not necessary right away, maybe first put a three-stroke?

[weksha50]

"" To maintain positions, it is necessary to rejuvenate the staff "...

This phrase is somewhat alarming ... God forbid, they will start a company under this slogan, and they automatically raise (force raise) overboard people aged, but still sane and with vast experience ... We have already gone through such "rejuvenation". ..

A very competent and careful approach is needed here ... And who will decide these questions of "rejuvenation" - THESE, the current "ehvective" managers ???

PS Moreover, those who will be subject to "optimization", in addition to experience, have a real, still Soviet education ... And what level of knowledge modern graduates have, even of such universities as Moscow Aviation Institute, Moscow Higher Technical School and the like - I do not know ... But special trust , to be honest, I don’t feel ...

[chikenous59]

BEIRUT, March 3. / Corr. TASS Dmitry Zelenin. The Syrian Ministry of Electricity announced an unexpected interruption in energy supply to all provinces in the country.
This was reported by the news agency SANA.


More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2715156

[barclay]

It’s good that the work is underway. In Russia, there have always been good and advanced developments, BUT in single and experimental versions. The eternal problem is all to deliver a stream of mass production. These developments, of course, are useful, but the main thing today is to maintain and develop the production of serial products. The pace of production, frankly, is not very high. And the civil aviation industry in general is breathing.

[Thirsty for wind]

I was impressed by the difference, so curious.
pindosbl make a new generation bomber, moskali fighter ...
Once again I checked everything in my head. Scratched bulbyach pollen.
Me with pindosavi is clearly out of the way. Even if you don’t mean that in the end they are all delayed ...

[Irokez]

Quote: Thirsty for the Wind

Me with pindosavi is clearly out of the way.

Me too.
The logic is as follows:
- Bomber - scatter bombs
- Fighter - destroy bombers
- Without a bomb, a fighter is just a machine, which means that weapons are not attacks (defender).
Better with a shield - than without a shield.

[Mama_Cholli]

The news is not surprising. It would be strange if scientists and designers did not try to improve and come up with something.
I would not be surprised if fighter pilots ever piloted their vehicles in near space, or even in interplanetary space.
pisi:
I would have been more surprised by the news that people would no longer attack each other because they live in different countries and speak different languages.

[gg.na]

The most important thing in such matters is not to rush or rush. And then hurry, you make people laugh !!! The Americans have already ridiculed everyone’s damn everywhere with their new unable to fly airplanes !!! Such matters must be approached with full responsibility and understanding that something really new is being created !!! And it should be BEST !!!

[voyaka uh]

"(There are) works of both the sixth and, probably, the seventh (generation). I have no right to talk much."

Israel is developing a 9th generation fighter. I won’t talk much about him, secret ...
but he will surely be beautiful, cropped and kosher ...

[vanavatny]

and with the prohibition of Saturday bombing angry you but honest like roguzin

[16112014nk]

Quote: Maksus

I’m asking for a billion rubles

Chubais: "In line, you sons of bitches!
I am the first! I urgently need 89 billion! "

[uskrabut]

It's time! It's time to get ready for star wars! The 6th and 7th generations of aircraft will obviously be from the category of Pepelats or flying saucers. A real specialist will never be satisfied with what has been done; technological progress is based on this.

[lelikas]

Quote: voyaka uh

Israel is developing a 9th generation fighter

Eurofighter. :)))

[Mama_Cholli]

Eurosphincter probably also someday will develop (flare) very, very neatly.
pisi:
And most likely it will be our pilots.

[morprepud]

(Go) work and the sixth, and probably the seventh (generation). I have no right to say much. ”

-And more and do not, for today I with godfather still (almost) calm!
We hope that this will not affect the Sukhova Design Bureau
... And on Monday (payday!). We will wash the information !!!
PS Well done, "kulibins"! Proud of YOU!

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Che trifle-would have built immediately anti-gravity!

[Senior manager]

Great-grandfather of Zeus. So gravitsapu same.

[gridasov]

Quote: Iglu40

Melting and burning are phenomena that are electric. magnetic processes. ????? Rave.

But in induction coils, by changing the parameters of the current, the properties of other substances change through heating and melting. Therefore, I do not think that you are right. But induction coils without parasitic effects are and can produce very revolutionary effects.

[Velizariy]

Quote: voyaka uh

"(There are) works of both the sixth and, probably, the seventh (generation). I have no right to talk much."

Israel is developing a 9th generation fighter. I won’t talk much about him, secret ...
but he will surely be beautiful, cropped and kosher ...

From the fresh test ???

[gridasov]

Quote: SSI

Quote: gridasov

The whole logic of analysis and machine processing of information media are built on binary logic.

I'm sorry, can you offer something new to the machine? The processor can work only with 0 and 1, data exchange is hexadecimal arrays (although, by and large, this is the same binary) ... But there is no other ...

You probably have not read me where I am talking about this and say that one transistor can fulfill the function of an infinite number of modern transistors. It is multipolar with a single base and each value of the input-output channels is determined by polarization with all other ends. That is, whatever potential at any input is applied at all ends, there will always be a relative voltage.

[Old26]

The fact that they started working on the 6th or even 7th generation is good. But now the main thing is to launch at least a more or less normal series FIFTH

[Wolka]

however, everything has its time ...