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The Sukhoy Design Bureau has developed a new information system for the T-50.

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Experts OKB "Sukhoi" developed for the PAK FA (T-50) a new information management system, which is planned to be introduced from the current year, reports MIC with reference to tass.




“The Sukhoi Design Bureau created a fundamentally new computer on the T-50, which is made according to the principles of modular avionics,” a representative of the design bureau told the agency.

“It is planned to implement the system on the PAK FA already from 2016, from the 2017, it will be integrated into the unmanned system,” he explained. At the same time, the source did not specify which UAV is being discussed.

"We hope that this promising system will be used on other aircraft," the source added.

In addition, according to him, the OKB created a “new operating system for aircraft”.

Help newspaper: “PAK FA is a fifth generation Russian fighter. First took to the air at the beginning of 2010. It is expected that the state tests of the machine will be completed in 2016, and in 2017 the serial deliveries of the aircraft will begin. Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry stated that in the coming years they plan to purchase only one squadron of the PAK FA, while increasing the order for Su-35 fighters. ”
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  1. Oleg Lavrov
    Oleg Lavrov 2 March 2016 18: 52 New
    -5
    Another NATO horror !! "shut up !!!!" Russia, we are driiishscheee here !! soldier
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 2 March 2016 19: 01 New
      +7
      Che something in my eyes doubles (photo)! laughing
      Author, do you need to watch with stereo glasses? whether ?!
      It is necessary to warn! What a stereo article !!! fellow
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 2 March 2016 19: 13 New
        10
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Che something in my eyes doubles (photo)! laughing
        Author, do you need to watch with stereo glasses? whether ?!
        It is necessary to warn! What a stereo article !!! fellow

        Yeah, also kinda not drunk laughing and doubles in my eyes, well then I will add processed photos bully
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 2 March 2016 19: 22 New
          20
          Quote: Samaritan
          doubles in the eyes

          1. Samaritan
            Samaritan 2 March 2016 19: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Baikonur
            Quote: Samaritan
            doubles in the eyes


            I don’t drink without a snack! soldier :)
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 2 March 2016 20: 58 New
              +6
              Okay, this is all hahanki.
              “Sukhoi Design Bureau has created a fundamentally new computer on the T-50, which is made according to the principles of modular avionics”
              That’s about it in more detail! What is the element base? Whose?
              In addition, according to him, the OKB created a “new operating system for aircraft”
              What kind of OS? Whose? On what basis? Ours have developed something! If so, then it is commendable and proud! They would ask, they said, the interviewers did !!! At least such simple questions !!! Not requiring privacy!
              1. Pravdarm
                Pravdarm 2 March 2016 23: 04 New
                +2
                Look right now there is "special correspondent." about concentration camps for Russians "pigs" of separatists in dill t / k Russia! In Mariupol and others! It is a pity that the offensive was interrupted in MINSK !!! Someone!!! (?)

                fascistubrow ... and !!!!
              2. Fat
                Fat 2 March 2016 23: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Baikonur
                Okay, this is all hahanki.
                “Sukhoi Design Bureau has created a fundamentally new computer on the T-50, which is made according to the principles of modular avionics”
                That’s about it in more detail! What is the element base? Whose?
                In addition, according to him, the OKB created a “new operating system for aircraft”
                What kind of OS? Whose? On what basis? Ours have developed something! If so, then it is commendable and proud! They would ask, they said, the interviewers did !!! At least such simple questions !!! Not requiring privacy!

                Forgive me, YOU HAVE ANYWHERE WRITTEN AT LEAST ONE ALGRITMICALLY GENERATED PROCESS IN A DIGIT? You got carried away with the programming of impossible devices. Or you think that your attitude to the CHIP architecture determines the "dependency" relationship. In short, there is no need to worry at the sight of a spark ... Leading ..., one person, a competent pilot
                1. Baikonur
                  Baikonur 2 March 2016 23: 44 New
                  +4
                  Hm! I did not understand the collision. What are you speaking about?!
                  As an electronic engineer and programmer, I know the word "algorithm" firsthand! didn't quite understand the term
                  "ALGRITMICALLY GENERATED PROCESS IN DIGIT"
                  and here it is
                  "Your attitude towards CHIP architecture determines the" dependency "relationship

                  I realized that this is a spark, and that the Competent Pilot is in the lead! soldier hi

                  PS: I have almost midnight, I go to bed. Goodnight! Tomorrow I’ll see if you answer.
              3. opus
                opus 3 March 2016 00: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: Baikonur
                That’s about it in more detail! What is the element base? Whose?


                processors NIISI RAS (specifically in the case of the T-50 "Komdiv-64RIO" and "Komdiv-128RIO"), which meet the requirements, but technically, even by the standards of far from advanced Russian electronics, the day before yesterday (regrettably).

                The MIPS-like processor Komdiv-64 (1890VM6Ya) has a frequency of 270 MHz at a technological process of 180 nm, the latest Comdiv-128 (1890VM8Ya / 1890VM9Ya) -1 GHz with a 65 nm process technology.

                MIPS (Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages) is a microprocessor developed by MIPS Computer Systems (currently MIPS Technologies) in accordance with the RISC processor design concept


                The specialized radiation-resistant (for spacecraft on the PAK FA is not installed) line 1907ВМ28 / 1907ВМ38 techno process 250 nm, frequency-150 and 125 MHz.

                Ramenskaya BTsVM-486-2M (Intel Atom E640T, 1 GHz) is used in the LMS and on helicopters and on airplanes of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. As part of the complex as a data processor, as well as for processing information from airborne navigation and flight control systems, aircraft weapon control systems.


                Quote: Baikonur
                then for the OS? Whose? On what basis?


                Most likely, the seL4 operating system (which was developed by Data61 for seven years)

                General Dynamics C4 Systems and NICTA Australian Research Center opened under free licenses source codes for the seL4 microkernel (Secure Embedded L4), components of the mathematical proof of its reliability and accompanying code for building highly reliable operating systems. The kernel is open under the GPLv2 license, while utilities and user-space code contains both elements under the GPLv2 license and components under the BSD license.

                The seL4 microkernel aims to provide enhanced security and reliability for mission critical systems used in aviation, medicine, the financial sector, energy and other areas where a guarantee of the absence of failures is needed. In particular, the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) uses seL4 to enhance the security of software systems used in military unmanned aerial vehicles.
                hi
              4. gladcu2
                gladcu2 3 March 2016 01: 22 New
                +2
                Baikonur

                When under the USSR, any military developments were kept in strict confidence. Probably it was justified.

                Currently, each software upgrade is doing PR campaign. Upgrade 1.55. New models with drawing, in the German branch added a new child prodigy.

                Maybe soon about new bolts will be sewn.

                Common Pride must be.
        2. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 2 March 2016 19: 47 New
          +4
          Hmm, but I managed to watch in stereo. If there are really two cars in the picture, it means they go so synchronously that the same housing elements are superimposed from one onto the other completely ..
          1. duchy
            duchy 3 March 2016 05: 15 New
            0
            I also looked, each plane is different from the other, well, like "Find 10 differences". Aerobatics is superior, and so is the shooting. good drinks
        3. Fat
          Fat 2 March 2016 19: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Samaritan
          Quote: Pravdarm
          Che something in my eyes doubles (photo)! laughing
          Author, do you need to watch with stereo glasses? whether ?!
          It is necessary to warn! What a stereo article !!! fellow

          Yeah, also kinda not drunk laughing and doubles in my eyes, well then I will add processed photos bully

          I didn't understand ... I read somewhere that about a dozen prototypes are being "tested". We launched a couple of T-esheks in the "one target" auto mode ... Are there "stereo radars"? So the thought of a hungry wolf turns out: "And ... YOU ... tried to eat an elephant?" - Well yes! And, even, "one rocket" fellow
          And if without jokes. Glad! New Aviation - New Avionics. It's a pity the article is short, but the photo ...
        4. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 2 March 2016 20: 22 New
          +1
          for this photo it is not necessary to have stereo glasses. A little skill is enough. There is a way to watch a stereo image represented by two stereo pair images located side by side. This trick in entertaining books was described in my childhood.
      2. VP
        VP 2 March 2016 21: 37 New
        +3
        They are different - in the second plane the pilot leaned back a little further, you can see by the whitening helmet laughing
        1. alexng
          alexng 2 March 2016 22: 21 New
          +2
          Yes, if you look closely, there are many differences. Different planes.
          1. Pravdarm
            Pravdarm 2 March 2016 22: 37 New
            +1
            Fir-trees !!! Actually! good

            PS: Right now in Russia 24 - report on this topic! (T-50)
          2. gjv
            gjv 3 March 2016 06: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Pravdarm
            It is necessary to warn! What a stereo article !!!

            Quote: alexneg
            Yes, if you look closely, there are many differences. Different planes.

            Quote: duche
            I also looked, each plane is different from the other, well, like "Find 10 differences". Aerobatics is superior, and so is the shooting.

            This is "stereo" - the famous photograph of Artyom Anikeev. Group aerobatics on August 26, 2013 over the Ramenskoye airfield is performed by a pair of T-50, w / n 051 and w / n 052.
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 2 March 2016 21: 39 New
        0
        So already like four prototypes fly .. And maybe six.6D ... This is VOLUME ..
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Che something in my eyes doubles (photo)! laughing
        Author, do you need to watch with stereo glasses? whether ?!
        It is necessary to warn! What a stereo article !!! fellow
      4. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 3 March 2016 02: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Che something in my eyes doubles (photo)! laughing
        Author, do you need to watch with stereo glasses? whether ?!
        It is necessary to warn! What a stereo article !!! fellow

        And I found a couple of differences! smile
      5. gjv
        gjv 3 March 2016 06: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Che something in my eyes doubles (photo)! laughing

        Here is another stereo.

        053rd and 054th in May 2014 over the Pogonovo airfield.
        1. Road runer
          Road runer 3 March 2016 10: 05 New
          0
          Great photo! Thank! I set myself on the desktop. hi
    2. Sweles
      Sweles 2 March 2016 19: 02 New
      +1
      and where is the fifth, like it was repaired?
      1. Fat
        Fat 2 March 2016 20: 02 New
        -4
        Quote: Sveles
        and where is the fifth, like it was repaired?

        3, 4 They didn’t get into the view of the existing camera on the 5th, try to study the photo biasedly. IMHO, objects are located at 1 and 2 (hiding) ... It seems to me that your photo (2) sins this ... 3 and 4 optically close 1 and 2 ... lol laughing
        PS On weekdays I drink a little, even tea, and cigarettes tend to end ... at the wrong time
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 2 March 2016 21: 06 New
          -2
          Quote: Thick
          Quote: Sveles
          and where is the fifth, like it was repaired?

          3, 4 They didn’t get into the view of the existing camera on the 5th, try to study the photo biasedly. IMHO, objects are located at 1 and 2 (hiding) ... It seems to me that your photo (2) sins this ... 3 and 4 optically close 1 and 2 ... lol laughing
          PS On weekdays I drink a little, even tea, and cigarettes tend to end ... at the wrong time

          they are quietly stealth, adnaka! laughing what is not visible is invisible, and what is visible is twofold adnaka !!! effect of impending drunkenness laughing
          1. Fat
            Fat 2 March 2016 23: 48 New
            -1
            Quote: SpnSr
            they are quietly stealth, adnaka!

            Thank you .... Until now, RZHUNIMAGU.
            1. Spnsr
              Spnsr 3 March 2016 00: 09 New
              -1
              Quote: Thick
              Quote: SpnSr
              they are quietly stealth, adnaka!

              Thank you .... Until now, RZHUNIMAGU.

              I myself laughing if there will be an electronic warfare system there, then there is nothing surprising in this, the technique may still see it, if not more !!! laughing
              this is so, to the humor that arose in the comments, the Amirekans have long dreamed of showing their presence at the time of absence, so in reality they need to be the first to show this, as well as the effect of rub and mercury, which they dreamed of in the "war of the worlds" laughing
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 2 March 2016 19: 05 New
      +2
      The main thing is that the competitors do not have this, and they could not disrupt its work.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 2 March 2016 20: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The main thing is that the competitors do not have this, and they could not disrupt its work.

        So our software engineers said their weighty word!
        1. Fat
          Fat 3 March 2016 00: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Tol100v

          Like this: our software engineers said their weighty word

          So they saved their weighty word Ludi related to the breakdown on the account ... If the wallet is the most painful place ... And Cho, dad taught me more than deeper
        2. Fat
          Fat 3 March 2016 00: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Tol100v
          Quote: Thought Giant
          The main thing is that the competitors do not have this, and they could not disrupt its work.

          So our software engineers said their weighty word!

          Thought is sharp, facts melt away because they are true. Yes * no, yes * no ... It's funny even The most important o = pa develops in the data transfer standards, name at least one "non-key SOLUTION" TO "clerk", and most importantly, name at least one surname of a specialist who does not know how to use 101 keys,
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    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 March 2016 19: 18 New
      0
      Sukhoi Design Bureau has created a fundamentally new computer on the T-50, which is made according to the principles of modular avionics, ”a representative of the design bureau told the agency.

      I watched a movie about him on YouTube two months ago, they talked about it and showed it there.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoohedUWfPg
      1. iConst
        iConst 2 March 2016 19: 58 New
        +7
        Quote: GSH-18
        Sukhoi Design Bureau has created a fundamentally new computer on T-50, which is made according to the principles modular avionics", A representative of the design bureau told the agency.

        I watched a movie about him on YouTube two months ago, they talked about it and showed it there.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoohedUWfPg

        - Somehow it sounds not in Russian: created for T-50 or how? And, here is modular avionics, is that - until now, other principles have been used? The latest Su-35 - has non-modular avionics?

        The principle (although the word concept is better suited here) of modularity and its benefits has been known since almost the 80s. It is clear that there are objective and subjective obstacles on the way from an idea to implementation. But not 35 years old!
        Who will clarify?

        Or is it just a note (the language doesn’t turn to be called an article) at the Sneakers advertising level: even more nuts and nougat! ...
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 March 2016 20: 09 New
          0
          Quote: iConst
          The latest Su-35 - has non-modular avionics?

          This is precisely noticed. The article is written for suckers. If anyone has not seen the electronic filling of fighters, I inform you: these are monolithic cubes with connectors that are located under the skin of the aircraft. And each of them can be upgraded endlessly!
          1. iConst
            iConst 2 March 2016 20: 22 New
            0
            Quote: GSH-18
            This is precisely noticed. The article is written for suckers. If anyone has not seen the electronic filling of fighters, I inform you: these are monolithic cubes with connectors that are located under the skin of the aircraft. And each of them can be upgraded endlessly!

            - That's a shame on me, a solid online publication, and such ... notes.

            The biggest problem of modularity is thinking over the interfaces for data transmission and processing. Those. in the specification it is necessary to lay the potential for development, so to speak, "words" that are not used now, but may be useful in the future. If it's primitive.

            After all, the point is not in the shape of cubes, but in the fact that if a new cube appears to replace, for example, an optical system and the function of "vision" appears in it, for example, in the X-ray spectrum, other systems, such as guidance, will have to accept it and work without alterations.

            You, I am sure, know this - this is me for those who, m. not up to date ...
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 2 March 2016 20: 31 New
              0
              Quote: iConst
              After all, the point is not in the shape of cubes, but in the fact that if a new cube appears to replace, for example, an optical system and the function of "vision" appears in it, for example, in the X-ray spectrum, other systems, such as guidance, will have to accept it and work without alterations.

              You, I am sure, know this - this is me for those who, m. not up to date ...

              I completely agree with you. The meaning of modularity implies even a change in the concept of the operation of ALL fighter systems without alterations to the airframe (without special alterations). This is what misleads the import magazines who visited the base in Khmeimim. They think that we still use those Soviet ancient Su-24 and Su-25. Naive, not far-fetched sloppies. And the same ones in the West listen and read, and believe them! lol
              1. Vita vko
                Vita vko 2 March 2016 22: 57 New
                0
                Quote: GSH-18
                The meaning of modularity implies even a change in the concept of the operation of ALL fighter systems without alterations of the glider (without special alterations)

                It is true that
                Quote: iConst
                So it offends me, a solid online edition, and such ... notes.

                Obviously, the author of the article is not an IT specialist, therefore, could not connect the development of a new multi-core operating system and the modular principle of building an information system. Although this idea was proposed by prof. Tanenbaum back in 1987, when he developed the MINIX microkernel operating system specifically for students, which is very reliable and with a completely open architecture
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 2 March 2016 23: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vita VKO
                  Although this idea was proposed by prof. Tanenbaum back in 1987, when he developed the MINIX microkernel operating system specifically for students, which is very reliable and with a completely open architecture

                  Hedgehog is your copper. What a drop dead system probably. was. Micronuclear, on Basf cassette laughing
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    6. VP
      VP 2 March 2016 19: 28 New
      +1
      Judging by the number of exclamation points, you are very well aware of what a computing complex is, what are its functions and how much is newer than old?
      Nn share?
      1. Fat
        Fat 3 March 2016 02: 29 New
        0
        I will appeal to you as before. Father, much knowledge - much sadness. The loyal boys have nothing to share with random travelers, except bread, and the Byzantine abacus is a convenient means of doing things, but when throwing arrows it’s not very good .... You really can’t get around without a banter. We had X, but now it has become Xx2 = 2X, while X = XXNUMX, we reduce the two and we have XXNUMX. Exclamation marks indicate a spill (coffee) on the upper right of the keyboard. Summary:
        1. You can’t divide by zero - the action is practically meaningless
        2. zero can be painlessly divided into a bunch of people, and there will be no offense.
    7. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 2 March 2016 19: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Oleg Lavrov
      Another NATO horror !! "shut up !!!!" Russia, we are driiishscheee here !! soldier

      Who would know how I am waiting for this moment when the T-50 will finally appear in our VKS, then we’ll see who made the 5th generation cars and who ate ate 4- got!
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 2 March 2016 19: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: kod3001
        Who would know how I am waiting for this moment when the T-50 will finally appear in our VKS, then we’ll see who made the 5th generation cars and who ate ate 4- got!

        F-22 and T-50 have slightly different concepts implemented. But we can immediately say that even an unfinished T-50 will already do this flying, publicized misunderstanding worth 19 tons of pure gold! Since, due to his pioneering "exceptionalism", he can perform ONLY TWO! departure per day! This is not a joke, but a constructive technical feature. request
    8. vodolaz
      vodolaz 2 March 2016 19: 35 New
      -1
      The news is certainly good, but I look not only in my eyes doubled)))
    9. Pirogov
      Pirogov 2 March 2016 21: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Oleg Lavrov
      Another NATO horror !! "shut up !!!!" Russia, we are dry here !! soldier

      Yes, a good bird! Hello NATO!
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 2 March 2016 23: 29 New
        0
        "... a fundamentally new computer on the T-50 ..." - I hope it will be intelligent and will be "imprisoned" for reptilians and other evil spirits that interfere with the life of intelligent mankind.
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 3 March 2016 07: 43 New
          +2
          About the difference between Su27, Su35, and T-50
  2. KBR109
    KBR109 2 March 2016 18: 53 New
    -1
    Work is underway on the engine - Ragozin. What the fuck 2016?
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 March 2016 19: 21 New
      11
      Quote: KBR109
      Work is underway on the engine - Ragozin. What the fuck 2016?

      Work is underway on the newest version of the engine. It is called "117C".
      And now the T-50 flies so far on the same as on the Su-35S. But it is still.

      How do you like this coloring?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 2 March 2016 19: 24 New
        +8
        Quote: GSH-18
        And now the T-50 flies so far on the same as on the Su-35S

        Wait a minute, cruising a three-hour overdrive
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 2 March 2016 19: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: Tusv
          three-hour cruising

          It would be nice, but ... In my opinion you are a little mistaken.
          We believe:
          The approximate speed of sound per 10 m will be 000 km \ h.
          3 hours * 1 km \ h = 100 km.
          According to optimistic data (from open sources, I learned this from the State Department bully ), the range on super sound will be 2 km. And this is of course not on M = 500 as they write on Wiki, but not on M = 2,1, as I now thought.
          Thus, for three hours it doesn’t work.
          To the credit of the creators of the T-50, 2 km at supersonic is just super.
          Even the "pessimistic" 1 800 available on the Internet is very cool.
          However, keep in mind that the "empty" T-50 will definitely not fly, what's the point ?! Even with a ton of explosive missiles, the range will be reduced.
          With respect! hi
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 2 March 2016 20: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Tibidokh
            Thus, for three hours it doesn’t work.

            I saw how the twenty-seventh 4 hours patrolled the sky. Yeah and yeah. Yes, even with acceleration to two with a polish tactic and braking to 200 km per hour. Showed more often - sit down.
            In this way. Migi 31 in patrol mode fly around 3,5 hours. Modern Flankers 5,5
            1. Tibidokh
              Tibidokh 2 March 2016 21: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Tusv
              I saw how the twenty-seventh 4 hours patrolled the sky.

              Question for filling ... with or without PTB? wink
              0,67 kg / kgf * h * 1906 kgf = 1277 kg / h.
              I almost forgot, two engines. Then 2554 kg / h.
              The practical range of the Su-27 at altitude = 3680 km. True, at such an altitude (about 11 km.) You would not especially see the Su-27. Anyway.
              We take a full dressing of 9400 kg. Subtract the navigational reserve = 9000 kg.
              9000 kg / 2554 kg / h. = 3,5 hours.
              And this is without any complicating factors in the form of altitudes below 11 km. and
              Quote: Tusv
              Yes, even with acceleration to two with poltovoy maxim and with braking up to 200 km per hour.

              Quote: Tusv
              Modern Flankers 5,5

              Su-27 empty weight 16 300 + fuel 9400;
              Su-35 empty weight 19 000 + fuel 11 500;
              5,5 hours talk? Oh well... lol
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 2 March 2016 22: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Tibidokh
                You would not especially see the Su-27. anyway

                On the P-12? Invisibility is visible. Smart ass. And Sushki is real, the Airborne Frontier Service of the highest rank
                1. Tibidokh
                  Tibidokh 3 March 2016 03: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: Tusv
                  smart ass

                  Thank you! hi
                  Quote: Tusv
                  At P-12

                  Wow. Did you manage to work with "Pechera" back in the early 90s? Respect.
                  Quote: Tusv
                  And Sushki is real, the Airborne Frontier Service of the highest rank

                  So who is arguing.
              2. Tusv
                Tusv 2 March 2016 22: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Tibidokh
                Question for filling ... with or without PTB?

                In patrol mode, without, in the mode of accompanying them with outboard fuel tanks. And then the drying glider is almost perfect. The tornado collage model flies further than Fu 15, in fact the tornado brain pecks for 30 minutes, and Aurelik began to fly up to our borders only recently with the same 4 hour flight
                1. Tibidokh
                  Tibidokh 3 March 2016 03: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: Tusv
                  In patrol mode without, in the mode of escort with them Suspended fuel tanks

                  Clear. With PTB it can fly for 4 hours, no doubt.
                  Quote: Tusv
                  I saw how the twenty-seventh 4 hours patrolled the sky. Yeah and yeah. Yes, even with acceleration to two with a polish tactic and braking up to 200 km per hour

                  I've been finding fault with this (sorry for importunity).
                  It’s just that acceleration to 2,5 M is quite doubtful with PTP, and 4 hours are doubtful without PTP .. At the expense of 2,5 M ... you probably wanted to write 2500 km / h, because up to 2,5 M only MiG-31 or MiG-25 will be able to accelerate.
          2. Fat
            Fat 2 March 2016 20: 30 New
            +3
            I will support you, although you did not fully disclose the reasons you noticed. You did not pay attention to the fact that the notorious 3 hours on cruising those. 2500x3 = 7500. Natural nonsense not amenable to qualifications. The rest is not even taken into account. hi
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 2 March 2016 20: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: Thick
              those. 2500x3 = 7500. Natural nonsense not amenable to qualifications. The rest is not even taken into account

              So it’s about 1450 km per hour
              1. Tibidokh
                Tibidokh 2 March 2016 21: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Tusv
                So it’s about 1450 km per hour

                Dear Tusv, I went to the Wiki specifically for you. Just please do not frown at this word. wassat
                There declared range at supersonic 2000 km. We take your 3 hours and ... and it doesn’t work at a speed of 1450 km / h in three hours to fly 2000 km.
                1450 km * 3 h = 4350 km
                Sorry, but this fuel efficiency is still very far away.
                1. Tektor
                  Tektor 2 March 2016 22: 33 New
                  +1
                  I would very much like to extend the combat radius of the T-50 to 2500 km. This is probably possible only with the engines of the second stage, product 30.
                  1. Tibidokh
                    Tibidokh 3 March 2016 04: 02 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Tektor
                    I would very much like to extend the combat radius of the T-50 to 2500 km.

                    Well, with anti-TB drugs it’s probably quite achievable, only on the sound.
                    1. Tektor
                      Tektor 3 March 2016 12: 18 New
                      +1
                      This radius will make the coastal protection from the AUG air wing tactically more diverse. Now the radius of aviation plus weapons at the AUG is about 2000 km. The reserve of 500 km allows you to act from different angles.
                      In addition, if you use a pair of T-50 and Tu-22, and the fighter goes at a distance of up to 600 km in front, you will get a strong tandem that allows you to use weapons without an external command center at a distance of up to 1000 km from Tushka. At the same time, protecting the fighter’s RVB bomber at a distance of up to 400 km. New spark.
              2. Fat
                Fat 2 March 2016 22: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Tusv
                So it’s about 1450 km per hour

                That's the speech about the declared 2,5 M. Each max is 1200 km / h. I admit I missed something ...
                But even 4.5 thousand km looks fantastic.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 2 March 2016 22: 26 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Thick
                  But even 4.5 thousand km looks fantastic.

                  Nudyk with 400 is fantastic. This does not happen. As much as 4-8 km per second
            2. Tibidokh
              Tibidokh 2 March 2016 21: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: Thick
              I will support you, although you did not fully disclose the reasons you noticed.

              Unfortunately for more knowledge dumb. drinks
      2. iConst
        iConst 2 March 2016 20: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        Quote: KBR109
        Work is underway on the engine - Ragozin. What the fuck 2016?

        Work is underway on the newest version of the engine. It is called "117C".
        And now the T-50 flies so far on the same as on the Su-35S. But it is still.

        - By the way, I have a question: in the photo at 22 and 35, and other fighters, the length of the protruding part of the nozzle is minimal. As I understand it, this case heats up at 1000 degrees.

        The T-50 two nozzles appear at a glance 3-4 times larger. Hence the question - in the infrared spectrum, these areas will shine several times stronger. Or is it not important?
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 2 March 2016 20: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: iConst
          The T-50 two nozzles appear at a glance 3-4 times larger. Hence the question - in the infrared spectrum, these areas will shine several times stronger. Or is it not important?

          And try to shoot down when the light is visible, a maximum of around 10 km
        2. VP
          VP 2 March 2016 20: 27 New
          +6
          A variable thrust vector, you can’t drown the nozzle into the body.
  3. kot11180
    kot11180 2 March 2016 18: 53 New
    +9
    Systematic work, without loud statements, bring the car.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 2 March 2016 19: 00 New
      +3
      Do you remind Oriental? The last postponed date of the first launch (April 12) is no longer in the subject. Tardiness is already approx. 50 days - Ragozin. The builders again stood up because of non-payment of salaries. Already 3 or 4 times. Ragozin and Putin have already done this. Who needs to do now? Lord God or the platoon?
      1. Fat
        Fat 2 March 2016 20: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: KBR109
        Do you remind Oriental? The last postponed date of the first launch (April 12) is no longer in the subject. Tardiness is already approx. 50 days - Ragozin. The builders again stood up because of non-payment of salaries. Already 3 or 4 times. Ragozin and Putin have already done this. Who needs to do now? Lord God or the platoon?

        Let me tell you ... Workers receiving less salary lend the employer. And where are our gentlemen collectors?... That's right, the gut is thin and the "customer" (how to correctly name a legal entity. debt seller) is rather weak
      2. bovig
        bovig 2 March 2016 22: 28 New
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        Do you remind Oriental? The last postponed date of the first launch (April 12) is no longer in the subject. Tardiness is already approx. 50 days - Ragozin. The builders again stood up because of non-payment of salaries. Already 3 or 4 times. Ragozin and Putin have already done this. Who needs to do now? Lord God or the platoon?

        A firing squad with one practical example would solve this problem once and for all, unlike Putin and Rogozin ... You can put it on people, but it is fraught with a firing squad ...))) Do not want to, but remember Stalin ... I knew how to cherish the people's property ... And now more and more often the question arises: was Stalin bloodthirsty?))
  4. Tusv
    Tusv 2 March 2016 18: 57 New
    +1
    Oops. Today announced the creation of the sixth generation fighter
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 2 March 2016 19: 02 New
      +2
      ABOUT WORK OVER I. 6th. I read too. And what about the 5th fighters have already gone? laughing
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 2 March 2016 19: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: KBR109
        ABOUT WORK OVER I. 6th. I read too. And what about the 5th fighters have already gone?

        Work is always ahead, for example, regarding submarines even when the first Pike-B was laid at the shipyard, the concept of Ashen was already being worked out. So it should be with airplanes. The T-50 project is already ready, it remains to work out the technologies and establish serial production, but what do you design bureau design do? Every 10-20 years to work hard to design a new generation of fighter aircraft and go on paid creative leave for decades?
        1. Pravdarm
          Pravdarm 2 March 2016 19: 09 New
          +4
          Designing begins on the 6th !!!
          and then - the decision is about ...!
          1. Penelope
            Penelope 2 March 2016 19: 27 New
            +5
            Here our designers tried, well done!
      2. Samaritan
        Samaritan 2 March 2016 19: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: KBR109
        ABOUT WORK OVER I. 6th. I read too. And what about the 5th fighters have already gone? laughing

        Some produce the 5th, others "draw" the 6th, everything is fine! bully
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 2 March 2016 19: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Samaritan
          Some produce the 5th, others "draw" the 6th, everything is fine!

          7th went to mind ...
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 2 March 2016 19: 20 New
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        And what about the 5th fighters have already gone?

        Conventionally 7 pieces on the wing against three hundred. But the Americans jumped through the generation and I must say a qualitative leap
        1. Samaritan
          Samaritan 2 March 2016 19: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: KBR109
          And what about the 5th fighters have already gone?

          Conventionally 7 pieces on the wing against three hundred. But the Americans jumped through the generation and I must say a qualitative leap

          Oh, and you can read more, otherwise it is completely not clear ?!
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 2 March 2016 19: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Samaritan
            Oh, and you can read more, otherwise it is completely not clear ?!

            Well, bear 4 hours on a polygraph and you can read more laughing
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 2 March 2016 20: 06 New
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        ABOUT WORK OVER I. 6th. I read too. And what about the 5th fighters have already gone? laughing

        Everything goes strictly according to the plan of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. This year, combat units will receive from 2 to 4 T-50s. Until the 20th year there will be 50 of them. The general order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is in the region of 200 pcs.
      5. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 March 2016 20: 40 New
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        5th already gone?


        While testing, this year should be completed, and a new engine is also being tested. hi
      6. tol100v
        tol100v 2 March 2016 20: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: KBR109
        ABOUT WORK OVER I. 6th. I read too. And what about the 5th fighters have already gone?

        If Russia did not have the scientific and technical reserve of the times of the Soviet Union, then it would have neither the 4th, nor 4 ++, nor 4 +++, nor the 5th generations! In general, there would be nothing, no "new breeches, no new horse"!
      7. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 2 March 2016 22: 21 New
        0
        ... and maybe the seventh, I also heard you reading :)
    2. Hey
      Hey 2 March 2016 19: 05 New
      +1
      Today announced the creation of the sixth generation fighter


      This is not about creating an airplane, but about providing its layout.
      There, it was also announced that the start of work on the aircraft seventh generations.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 2 March 2016 19: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: MUD
        This is not about creating an airplane, but about providing its layout.
        There, it was also announced that the start of work on the seventh generation aircraft.

        During World War II, fighters were in the tens of thousands, then there was a tendency to reduce the number of aircraft of each subsequent generation, partly because of the price, partly because one fighter could solve problems that only a few fighters of the previous generation could solve.
        Nevertheless, at such a pace, an airplane of some 15-20 generation will cost $ 1 billion, and the country will pull only one squadron.
        Already, a 4 ++ fighter of the Su-35S generation costs $ 80 million, the T-50 PakFa costs $ 100 million. The price is higher and higher. Even before PakFa, we laughed at the forums about the sky-high price of the F-22 (for $ 100 million), but as they themselves tried to construct a fifth-generation aircraft, they came up against the same price.
        1. VP
          VP 2 March 2016 19: 39 New
          +3
          The full cost of the Raptor for 2010 was more than three hundred.
          The sale for 150 was not taking into account the development, which was funded by the Pentagon but which was a separate article that was previously financed and was not formally included in the purchase price.
          We have everything invested in the cost, just different financing principles.
          Where did the wood about 80 lyam on the SU-35 come from?
          Export price to the Chinese?
          Are you aware of the strong difference between export prices and contract prices for the Ministry of Defense?
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        3. bk316
          bk316 2 March 2016 19: 46 New
          +4
          And I think that it will not be 100, but closer to 50.
          The course will help.
        4. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 2 March 2016 22: 01 New
          -1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Already, a 4 ++ fighter of the Su-35S generation costs $ 80 million, the T-50 PakFa costs $ 100 million.


          If they didn’t saw, but honestly did, then the price would be lower. And here everyone who warms his hands ... As they do not for themselves, not for their country ...
      2. bk316
        bk316 2 March 2016 19: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: MUD
        seventh generation.

        Are you seriously?
        And what is it even such.
        Well, if the sixth at least roughly agreed, then the seventh?
        Tell me, I don’t jerk, I want to know!
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 2 March 2016 19: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: bk316
          Are you seriously?
          And what is it even such.

          And the seventh will be so cool that he won’t even have to fly. yes
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          2. bk316
            bk316 2 March 2016 20: 57 New
            +3
            Oh, it is understandable, that is, it will move in all environments in the air, water, underground and in space, and instantly.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 2 March 2016 20: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Tusv
      Today announced the creation of the sixth generation fighter


      I also heard it, until I know the details. But the fact that striped feet flowed, I have no doubt about it.
      1. Fat
        Fat 2 March 2016 22: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Ros 56
        I also heard it, until I know the details. But the fact that striped feet flowed, I have no doubt about it.

        You are right, I know for sure that some women experience unprovoked multiple orgasms when they see diamonds. Bullet. Money masturbation in its purest form.
        Sincerely hi sorry for using your words as a quote. I agree with your opinion.
  5. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 2 March 2016 19: 00 New
    +3
    I would like to see the final version of the T-50 with engines of the second stage.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 March 2016 20: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      I would like to see the final version of the T-50 with engines of the second stage.

      Don't worry, they will show you! But not for you, but for the "exceptional" at the decisive moment. T-50 is a secret aircraft, don't forget about it.
  6. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 2 March 2016 19: 09 New
    +7
    Let's do without hatred and euphoria.
    The news is certainly good, but in fact everything is still in development.
    Happen now a mess with NATO (pah pah pah) - the heels of not brought to mind machines will not affect
    to the situation. Alas, it is a fact! Let’s remain realistic, and say URA only when these miraculous cars go into serial production of the country's aerospace forces. In the meantime ....
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 2 March 2016 20: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Alexandr2637
      In the meantime ...

      Count the chickens in the fall ...
  7. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 2 March 2016 19: 12 New
    +1
    So in passing we blabber: from 2017, it will be integrated into an unmanned complex, ”he explained. At the same time, the source did not specify what kind of UAV in question.

    But isn't PAK-FA itself being worked out in an unmanned version? It seems they were going.
  8. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 2 March 2016 19: 13 New
    0
    I liked that in Russia, nevertheless, they began to develop their own heavy attack drone.
    For operations such as in Syria, or evil spirits of the sea to drive would be very useful.
    1. VP
      VP 2 March 2016 20: 42 New
      +1
      Not for me. In general, I consider shock drones a dead end.
      You can’t apply against militarily developed countries because of vulnerability - electronic warfare will interrupt the communication channel with the operator and there is no expensive car.
      Against the baboons to keep or what? And what is the impact of the UAV will work against the app-babahs better than, for example, the super hornet or the F-15E? Yes, it’ll work worse - for a normal aircraft the range of weapons and combat load is higher + the ability to evaluate directly by the pilot sitting in the cockpit and the operator sitting in the office are different. Plus, the aircraft is more versatile and the UAV-drummer is narrowly niche.
      Repaired them strongly.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 2 March 2016 20: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: VP
        In general, I consider shock drones a dead end.

        In 1998, our pilot, catapulting over the Baltic, opened the era of drones. I flashed all of Europe by the way
      2. bk316
        bk316 2 March 2016 21: 06 New
        +3
        So far, so.
        This is a PR to raise funds.
        But the direction is definitely not a dead end.
        When AI develops and autonomous combat flight becomes possible, all the benefits will immediately work.
        Ultra-high overloads, long flights, lack of casualties, and in the end, the lack of fear among pilots.

        And do not say that before as before Mars - 40 years ago the AI ​​didn’t know how to approach the tasks, most likely in 40 years the AI ​​will be able to pilot the aircraft in combat conditions and 40 years is the 8th generation.
        1. VP
          VP 2 March 2016 21: 31 New
          0
          All that you wrote fits perfectly on cruise missiles that you do not need to work on for 40 years.
          And what is the advantage of an impact UAV?
          If they are really needed, then for the work of the type "tikhenko sneaked, tikhenko shit and tikhenko ran away". Those. inconspicuous, small-sized and low-noise. Not powerful jet.
          And still it will be a niche one and not seriously affecting hostilities.
          1. Fat
            Fat 2 March 2016 22: 56 New
            0
            Quote: VP
            All that you wrote fits perfectly on cruise missiles that you do not need to work on for 40 years.
            And what is the advantage of an impact UAV?
            If they are really needed, then for the work of the type "tikhenko sneaked, tikhenko shit and tikhenko ran away". Those. inconspicuous, small-sized and low-noise. Not powerful jet.
            And still it will be a niche one and not seriously affecting hostilities.

            "Having run away" from the mechanism is not required, it is, initially, "North Wind". A drone, especially a "ninja" drone, ready to sacrifice itself and make the existence of an enemy in theater of operations unpleasant and uncomfortable. Autotourrel in the air ...
            Unlike kamikaze, the mechanism is able to repeat the trick conceived by the fathers-commanders ...
            1. VP
              VP 2 March 2016 23: 19 New
              0
              Why repeat if the CR is cheaper and the absence of the need for a return allows you to deliver more explosives to the target?
      3. Inok10
        Inok10 2 March 2016 21: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: VP
        Not for me. In general, I consider shock drones a dead end.

        ... I agree ... but so far we don’t know what our people are putting into this concept ... firing an anti-aircraft missile system in the machine was also fantastic ... but with the 300 the first ones already knew how ... wait and see ... hi
      4. Fat
        Fat 2 March 2016 22: 29 New
        0
        Quote: VP
        Not for me. In general, I consider shock drones a dead end.
        You can’t apply against militarily developed countries because of vulnerability - electronic warfare will interrupt the communication channel with the operator and there is no expensive car.
        Against the baboons to keep or what? And what is the impact of the UAV will work against the app-babahs better than, for example, the super hornet or the F-15E? Yes, it’ll work worse - for a normal aircraft the range of weapons and combat load is higher + the ability to evaluate directly by the pilot sitting in the cockpit and the operator sitting in the office are different. Plus, the aircraft is more versatile and the UAV-drummer is narrowly niche.
        Repaired them strongly.

        IMHO I think that high-class 2 pilots attacking on 4 high-tech fighters are better than 4 high-class pilots on machines of technology that has already become familiar. A normal Iskin with an adequate response is a reality. Kasparov loses his computer clean. SUCH games are not iron, but sorry, SOFT. I imagine such a spark and breathtaking. I attack and I cover ... What generation? 4 ++++, if put on the SU-35 ...
  9. konetit
    konetit 2 March 2016 19: 23 New
    +2
    There is a war in Syria, and war has always spurred our defense. I will not be surprised if we launch planes of the 3th and 5th generation in 6 years, and even fly to Mars in a month and a half.
    1. iouris
      iouris 2 March 2016 19: 44 New
      +1
      Is there anything to pay wages in the defense industry or will they "spur" you on?
      1. Fat
        Fat 2 March 2016 23: 19 New
        0
        What are you hinting at? for bonuses or fines? What you earn is what you eat ... Sorry, it's impersonal. There is always someone in the defense industry. But his own, agreed "gesheft" for the hard worker, there are always ways, All legal, but unpleasant for the "employer". Trade unions are evil, but no more than a "free press" and banal racketeering. It's a pity that now is a new, post-industrial time. Moreover, much more ...
  10. Hooks
    Hooks 2 March 2016 19: 27 New
    +1
    Pentagon: "Russians are coming" !!! Give me money! ...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 2 March 2016 19: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Hooks
      Pentagon: "Russians are coming" !!! Give me some money! ..

      Fell, wrung out. We do not take Talerastov to the Russian army :)
  11. xam0
    xam0 2 March 2016 19: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Tusv
    Oops. Today announced the creation of the sixth generation fighter

    And you can find out by what criteria will determine the sixth generation or the fifth? Here, the fifth has not yet been fully decided, but I have never heard of the parameters of the sixth. Maybe someone has such information?
    1. VP
      VP 2 March 2016 20: 50 New
      0
      What do you mean for the fifth did not decide?
      The set of properties has long been clear to everyone. The question is to achieve immediately the whole complex of properties, or only some. That is, what is necessary and what is desirable, debate only in this.
      According to the sixth, one thing is clear - hypersound will be mandatory. Perhaps the height of kilometers is 80-100.
    2. In100gram
      In100gram 2 March 2016 20: 57 New
      0
      So here they are talking about the seventh in development. Fairytale pepelats. They invented the gravitsapu ... request
    3. Fat
      Fat 2 March 2016 21: 20 New
      0
      Quote: xam0
      And you can find out by what criteria will determine the sixth generation or the fifth? Here, the fifth has not yet been fully decided, but I have never heard of the parameters of the sixth. Maybe someone has such information?

      No one has information; you yourself voiced the reasons. Some prepare too early for April 1st. hi "Vimana" as the 6th generation of fighters can only be defined in terms of humor ...
      1. VP
        VP 2 March 2016 21: 47 New
        0
        Not certainly in that way. Hypersonic work is being carried out by us that by the Americans. There are leaks about some prototypes from time to time. Even the Chinese seem to be puffing, but they seem to be more about missiles. But with hypersound, of course, everything is very complicated, there are many problems. We will not "fight in Syria and in three years will forget" as some here write.
    4. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 2 March 2016 22: 27 New
      0
      The parameters were voiced by Rogozin - stealth, maneuverability and armament.
      1. VP
        VP 2 March 2016 22: 57 New
        0
        This is the fifth. Maximum with a plus. The development of existing properties is not a new generation.
  12. Hooks
    Hooks 2 March 2016 19: 53 New
    +1
    Give the 13th generation ashtray in the next five-year period!
    But seriously, I'm glad for our defense industry! A good potential remained from the empire, which is now evil again (he himself would have given a tambourine to some representatives of "global" values).
  13. 3vs
    3vs 2 March 2016 19: 56 New
    0
    "OKB has created a" new operating system for aircraft. "
    Kaspersky sculpts his operating system, isn't it?
    1. VP
      VP 2 March 2016 20: 54 New
      0
      OSes for staff and technology managers are completely different things.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 2 March 2016 21: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: 3vs
      Kaspersky sculpts his operating system, isn't it?

      If he slams his anti-virus there, then the T-50 will turn into a 1st generation fighter!
    3. Fat
      Fat 2 March 2016 21: 28 New
      0
      Quote: 3vs
      "OKB has created a" new operating system for aircraft. "
      Kaspersky sculpts his operating system, isn't it?

      Kaspersky is a brand, I agree. When I was finishing school in 1982, my beloved Fortran-4 was already history ... Do you think the Moscow Region will burden Kaspersky with a banal OS? Thank God and the Country under the veil of the Mother of God, there is more "young, unfamiliar tribe" (with)
      1. VP
        VP 2 March 2016 21: 59 New
        0
        What does Kaspersky have to do with it?
        This is completely different, it requires a management and processing platform focused on working with specialized equipment and not, damn it, play solitaire and download music from VKontakte.
  14. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 2 March 2016 20: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    So the news has gone and work on the 7th generation !? belay

    after which glass wassat
  15. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 2 March 2016 20: 47 New
    0
    Wow reliable technology will be. Break in a podrikht and normal. As always. Who is to us with a sword ... Well, you know about our weapons.
  16. Delink
    Delink 2 March 2016 20: 53 New
    0
    In reality, if you tilt your head and put your eyes in a heap to the attention of two handsome men in a single product, then it turns out voluminous))))))
    1. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 3 March 2016 10: 49 New
      0
      Try to "mix" in public as well. You will begin to see the person's aura.)
    2. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 3 March 2016 10: 49 New
      0
      Try to "mix" in public as well. You will begin to see the person's aura.)
  17. Asian
    Asian 2 March 2016 21: 54 New
    -4
    I can’t understand if everything from the 50th generation fighter was stuffed in the T4 as it is then considered the fifth generation.
    1. VP
      VP 2 March 2016 22: 22 New
      0
      It just does not need to be compared with a raptor - a fifty dollars surpasses it in all criteria, and in some raptors it is not the fifth at all. For example, he can’t work on the ground at all, and he doesn’t have a full-range firing, a circular information system. So at 22 there is only 1 AFAR instead of 5 at the T-50. In addition, raptorp has a limited range of ammunition, even compared to some fourth-generation American ones.
      Then the raptor drains fifty dollars dry.
      But it can still somehow compete in flight properties, unlike the F-35, which is just a clumsy iron.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 2 March 2016 22: 35 New
        0
        Quote: VP
        But it can compete in flight properties, unlike the F-35 which is just a clumsy iron

        Have you correctly formulated your idea? The Raptor has an outstanding glider
        1. VP
          VP 2 March 2016 23: 01 New
          0
          I correctly formulated my thought. Fifty dollars even with the engine of the first stage is not inferior in speed, wins in the rate of climb and ceiling, has a range of 500 more and the variable thrust vector works in two planes and not in one vertical like a raptor.
          And I wrote about the iron not in relation to 22 but in relation to 35, everything with flight qualities is hopeless there.
  18. RUS69
    RUS69 2 March 2016 21: 56 New
    0
    How do you want an already finished product !!!
  19. atamankko
    atamankko 2 March 2016 22: 03 New
    0
    The main thing is that design bureaus work efficiently.
  20. ltx777
    ltx777 2 March 2016 22: 08 New
    0
    Interestingly, when the T-1000 product is created, will the day of judgment come?
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 2 March 2016 23: 35 New
      0
      Yah you...
      Doomsday even without the "T-1000" will come for the gobbled moneybags-evil-doers.
  21. Michael67
    Michael67 2 March 2016 23: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: KBR109
    Work is underway on the engine - Ragozin. What the fuck 2016?

    Work is underway on the newest version of the engine. It is called "117C".
    And now the T-50 flies so far on the same as on the Su-35S. But it is still.

    How do you like this coloring?

    Ah ... figurative paint!
    Krasotulya is the representative of the Russian Federation in the aerospace.
  22. Michael67
    Michael67 2 March 2016 23: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Tibidokh
    Quote: Tusv
    I saw how the twenty-seventh 4 hours patrolled the sky.

    Question for filling ... with or without PTB? wink
    0,67 kg / kgf * h * 1906 kgf = 1277 kg / h.
    I almost forgot, two engines. Then 2554 kg / h.
    The practical range of the Su-27 at altitude = 3680 km. True, at such an altitude (about 11 km.) You would not especially see the Su-27. Anyway.
    We take a full dressing of 9400 kg. Subtract the navigational reserve = 9000 kg.
    9000 kg / 2554 kg / h. = 3,5 hours.
    And this is without any complicating factors in the form of altitudes below 11 km. and
    Quote: Tusv
    Yes, even with acceleration to two with poltovoy maxim and with braking up to 200 km per hour.

    Quote: Tusv
    Modern Flankers 5,5

    Su-27 empty weight 16 300 + fuel 9400;
    Su-35 empty weight 19 000 + fuel 11 500;
    5,5 hours talk? Oh well... lol

    You have an image error in your avatar.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 March 2016 03: 38 New
    0
    I wonder when the new engines will be put on the T-50?
    And if on the topic of the article, then of course joy is joy.
    So imperceptibly and up to the sixth generation we will update in the course of improvements.
    That the plane would only be controlled during take-off and landing,
    and the rest is all by itself, in terms of flying around the route.
    1. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 3 March 2016 10: 44 New
      0
      The engine has always been a problem. But it seems like problems are a thing of the past. PS-14 is being tested, and this is a new generation of engines for civil aviation. There is no clear data on the military commissar (which is understandable); it seems that it is also on the way.
  24. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 3 March 2016 10: 42 New
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    Well, great ... Another nail in the coffin of American air dominance.
  25. Magicrabbit
    Magicrabbit April 9 2016 20: 29 New
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    Quote: opus
    Quote: Baikonur
    That’s about it in more detail! What is the element base? Whose?


    processors NIISI RAS (specifically in the case of the T-50 "Komdiv-64RIO" and "Komdiv-128RIO"), which meet the requirements, but technically, even by the standards of far from advanced Russian electronics, the day before yesterday (regrettably).

    Incorrect unswer. Even the percentage of the computer with which the T-50 is flying now is not a Comdiv. And it will be - percent architecture mips64r2, multi-core.
    Quote: opus

    Ramenskaya BTsVM-486-2M (Intel Atom E640T, 1 GHz) is used in the LMS and on helicopters and on airplanes of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. As part of the complex as a data processor, as well as for processing information from airborne navigation and flight control systems, aircraft weapon control systems.

    Incorrect unswer. RPKB participates, but the calculator is different. And the one that was and the one that will be.
    Quote: opus

    Quote: Baikonur
    then for the OS? Whose? On what basis?


    Most likely, the seL4 operating system (which was developed by Data61 for seven years)

    Generally the wrong answer. The T-50 calculator used the os3000 from NIISI RAS. The os4000, developed by Sukhoi itself, will be used.
  26. Magicrabbit
    Magicrabbit April 9 2016 20: 44 New
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    Quote: iConst

    - Somehow it sounds not in Russian: created for the T-50 or what? And, here is modular avionics, is that - until now, other principles have been used? The latest Su-35 - has non-modular avionics?

    No, not modular. Yes, created for the T-50, as this is a specific implementation of IMA.
    Quote: iConst

    The principle (although the word concept is better suited here) of modularity and its benefits has been known since almost the 80s. It is clear that there are objective and subjective obstacles on the way from an idea to implementation. But not 35 years old!
    Who will clarify?

    You are talking about modularity in general, and the article is about integrated modular avionics (IMA).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_modular_avionics

    I know only 2 Russian projects where there is an IMA - a superjet and an MS-21. And in the first - it is foreign, and the second has not yet taken off. Everything else is not IMA.