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Project "ZZ". Putin's Gold

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Western observers are perplexed: Russia has plunged into a deep recession, even the deepest in the last two decades, but the state has more and more gold reserves: as of February 19, the Central Bank has accumulated a foreign currency and gold by 379. Other analysts point out that the West has already come to terms with the order Putin has set in the world. Still others remind that the United States, with its shale gas, is unable to cope with the energy policy of the “Russian autocrat” in Europe. Fourth argue that Moscow is doing well in the collapse of the European Union.



Gold lies here


Evgenia Pismennaya and Anna Andrianova (Evgenia Pismennaya, Anna Andrianova) in "Bloobmerg" talked about the growth of gold reserves of the Central Bank of Russia. Journalists specializing in economic and financial topics are clearly surprised: there is a recession in the country, and gold reserves are growing. Russia's economy is plunging into the abyss, so why is Putin smiling? ("Why Is Putin Smiling?")

Good economic News from Russia now does not arrive. Nevertheless, a certain indicator is found that is growing in the country. According to observers, it is of utmost importance for V. Putin: these are the state’s reserves in hard currency.

The submission notes that on 19 February 2016, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation had 379 billion dollars in reserves (foreign currency + gold). Journalists were not too lazy to calculate: this amount by 29 billion exceeds the amount stored in the Central Bank in April last year. Why is compared with April? Because in that month there was a minimum of gold reserves.

A financial conclusion follows: Russia was in February 2016 the only large emerging market in positive territory.

Russia's behavior is fundamentally different from the strategies of China and Saudi Arabia. Both the first and second spend tens of billions of dollars trying to strengthen their currencies. And the Central Bank of Russia, on the contrary, refuses foreign exchange intervention.

Why? Probably taken into account the mistakes of the past. The article states that at the end of 2014, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation "spent without result" over 67 billion dollars to stabilize the ruble. And monetary policy has changed: since that time, Russia has not spent a single cent to support the ruble, journalists are sure. Moreover, since last spring, Moscow began to buy foreign currency.

Such a financial strategy, according to the authors, reflects the “Putin's turn”. A year ago, the president decided, at all costs, to save the Kremlin's foreign currency. “We will not burn reserves anymore,” Putin said after the Central Bank of Russia released the ruble in December 2014.

The authors of “Bloobmerg” believe: this kind of economic experiment speaks of Putin’s confidence that gold and currency represent the best guarantee of Russia's financial independence.

“Vladimir Putin realized the power of reserves in 2008-2009 when he survived the crisis without significant losses, thanks to them,” said Alexei Kudrin, who worked as finance minister in those years, and now constantly meets with Putin to discuss state economic policy.

“The Central Bank is ready to tolerate any volatility of the course, just not to spend reserves,” says Oleg Kuzmin, an economist at Renaissance Capital.

The publication reminds that 379 billion dollars of reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation include about 99 billion of the two welfare funds. These amounts represent the growing gold reserves of Russia, as well as money invested in government dollar and eurobonds.

Former employee of the Central Bank Ekaterina Vlasova, now an economist at Citigroup Inc., notes that spending from the reserve fund does not reduce the state’s foreign reserves - "contrary to popular belief."

Putin has not only everything in order with gold and currency, that is, at home, but things are not bad in international relations, that is, abroad.

"The Wall Street Journal" acknowledged that the "new order of Putin" has taken root in international relations.

Journalist John Vinokur (John Vinocur) writes that the “traditionally tolerant” Dutch will soon (in April) vote in a nationwide “consultative” referendum on whether the European Union should be granted associate member status to Ukraine. This idea seems to be "noble", but a recent sociological poll clearly showed: the Dutch are going to give Ukraine a kick.

In essence, such an answer will express “contempt” for the European Union. Moreover, voices “against” will allow to assert that against the background of “uncontrolled military successes of Russia” and “effective methods” in a hybrid war one of the key European countries (the Netherlands) will look like a state that wants to take the road of “appeasement of Vladimir Putin” .

This is the same as the Dutch would say: “Do not irritate him!” After all, he (Putin) is capable of flooding Europe with refugees, as well as manipulating gas supplies.

With all this, Ukraine remains "undesirable" for Europe. “This is a huge irritant,” said the official Brussels correspondent.

And there are open confirmations. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and his new French colleague, Jean-Marc Herault, visited Kiev last week. According to a German press report, Herr Steinmeier told the Ukrainians that they had “no more excuses” in the area of ​​security and blocking the activities to implement the so-called Minsk plan for resolving the conflict.

Such statements mean nothing more than pushing Kiev to concessions to Moscow.

As for the Dutch, the idea of ​​voting by them, it seems, will make it clear to the international community how Ukraine has now become “abandoned”.

The Journal "Foreign Policy" they are no longer talking about the weakness of Europe, but about the weakness of the United States - in particular, we are talking about the fact that the export of natural gas by America is not capable of affecting Putin’s energy strategy.

Analyst Keith Johnson is convinced that Washington’s energy policy has distinct geopolitical aspects. However, the current US export of natural gas does not at all mean the supply of cheap energy to allies in Europe and Asia. Washington will not relieve its partners of the gas dependence established by the “Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin”.

The first cargo of energy raw materials, placed by the Americans on the tanker Asia Vision, does not go to Europe, but to the shores of Brazil. And it becomes clear that the exporter of America did not become a “geopolitical tool” that the White House could use in the same way as its states like Russia use. The fact is that American manufacturing companies will not become an “automatically” element of the strategy of Washington politicians. These companies are not in politics, but in business; they will sell gas to those who pay the most. And that's all.

In addition, the shortage of terminals hinders the export of liquefied gas to Europe: the main number of them is located in Western Europe, but what about Lithuania, Ukraine, Hungary, Bulgaria? All these states, the author believes, are “in the grip of energy dependence on Russia”.

Strictly speaking, is it worth it for an American to worry about Europe? After all, Moscow is successfully implementing a strategy for the collapse of the European Union. About this writes in the newspaper «Die Zeit» Florian Gasser.

From a Vienna interview with political scientist Andreas Maurer (Andreas Maurer) it becomes clear: Austria is not at all an exemplary “partner” of Germany, and this is especially true of the migration crisis.

Political analyst Andreas Maurer assures correspondent Florian Gasser that Austria does not blindly follow the policies of Berlin. The fact that the country was faced with an influx of refugees is linked, among other things, with the power game of Turkey and Russia. According to the expert, the Kremlin understands that with each bombing of Aleppo, a “new wave of refugees” is created. Thus, Russia successfully "divides the ranks of the European Union." The European Union, according to the political scientist, is “punished” for its unilateral policy towards Ukraine.

And Austria is one of those countries that do not oppose the "power policy of Russia."

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Whatever the Western edition, the dismay of analysts and experts from the “one-sided” policies of their own and supranational authorities (in the EU) is showing up everywhere. Facts, eloquently speaking about Putin's advancement on all fronts, including the domestic one, where the president is supposed to have ordered the accumulation of gold and dollars, plunges columnists of major American and European publications into a gray longing-sadness.

The European Union is “punished”, “disunited”, local people are ready to oppose association with Ukraine (the Dutch are likely to speak first), Austria kicks at refugees and does not listen to Germany, and US companies are not going to provide Eastern Europe with liquefied gas: they intend to sell gas to those who "pay more." Such apoliticalness greatly upsets other journalists. From what? Did the correspondents really hope that the American fat cats-capitalists would show political solidarity with Mr. sitting in the White House, tighten their belts and give Gazka up to fraternal peoples, Lithuanians and Bulgarians, moaning under Putin’s oppression, at half price, or even completely free of charge?

No need to hope. Hope is a disease, "affect"; Comrade Spinoza wrote about this.
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  1. chikenous59
    chikenous59 2 March 2016 08: 50 New
    -26 qualifying.
    If we are interested in the collapse of Europe, then with whom will we trade after its collapse in order to compensate for the loss of export revenues from at least oil and gas, which makes up the lion's share of budget revenues?
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 2 March 2016 08: 52 New
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      Quote: chikenous59
      If we are interested in the collapse of Europe, then with whom will we trade after its collapse,

      And what, each country separately, will not need to trade with Russia? They won't need Russian oil and gas? On the contrary, they will have the opportunity to pursue an independent policy towards our country. And then, you forgot such a saying: "Divide and conquer!"
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 2 March 2016 09: 19 New
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        Gentlemen’s conclusion from the EU, paws to the top and sit on the pope evenly, but seriously, they thought that all around are fools only they are smart! it’s just that the United States would stop poking its nose wherever they asked for it. And most importantly, Russia has been fighting so hard over the centuries that until now we can’t restore the population!
        1. cniza
          cniza 2 March 2016 09: 32 New
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          Quote: kod3001
          Gentlemen’s conclusion from the EU, paws to the top and sit on the pope evenly, but seriously, they thought that all around are fools only they are smart! it’s just that the United States would stop poking its nose wherever they asked for it. And most importantly, Russia has been fighting so hard over the centuries that until now we can’t restore the population!


          You overestimate, no, of course, smart people understand everything, but Europe is occupied and not independent in decision-making.
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 2 March 2016 10: 11 New
            -26 qualifying.
            I see no reason for joy in the fact that the Central Bank is buying waste paper with budget money. Dude Olegin swam a little on the basis of turbopod.
            1. Senior manager
              Senior manager 2 March 2016 11: 14 New
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              Mahmut. Russia plays according to the rules of the world (Amerov-British), the time is approaching, for Russia, to take part in writing these rules. This second will not happen. While working with these tools. IMHO.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 2 March 2016 12: 45 New
                -2
                the time is approaching, for Russia, to take part in writing these rules.

                And by what signs have you determined that such a time is approaching. Our people were torn off as sticky, they don’t know what else to raise with them the retirement age, or simply not pay. And all this for the sake of what, for the sake of investing our funds in the economy of a potential adversary. Here is a little more tolerance, and only then, we will show them all our cookie in our pocket. The main character at the beginning of the Indian film is beaten and humiliated. But he suffers, because he has not yet become angry as it should. The VO site is turning into a political swamp. We are ready to believe in any heresy, if only she had a patriotic vector.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 2 March 2016 12: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  And by what signs have you determined that such a time is approaching. Our people are torn off as sticky

                  I heard that they are starting to pay tax (annual) on property (such as an apartment or a cottage)?
                  In general, a brain rupture, how can you take a tax on the fact that you do not bring income?
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  they don’t know what else to raise with them the retirement age,

                  Raise - 100t%, though after the re-election of GDP
                  1. Dam
                    Dam 2 March 2016 15: 01 New
                    11
                    Excuse me, but is there no property tax in Israel?
                  2. Aleksandr1959
                    Aleksandr1959 2 March 2016 15: 41 New
                    +8
                    I heard that they are starting to pay tax (annual) on property (such as an apartment or a cottage)?

                    And that they didn’t pay him before? Certain categories of citizens of the Russian Federation are exempt from paying this tax, under certain conditions.
                    Another thing is that they are going to consider it according to new principles.
                    1. clidon
                      clidon 2 March 2016 16: 00 New
                      +2
                      It’s another matter that, no matter how new principles are, we have to pay more and more. For most categories of citizens.
                  3. Fat
                    Fat 2 March 2016 17: 31 New
                    -1
                    Quote: atalef
                    I heard that they are starting to pay tax (annual) on property (such as an apartment or a cottage)?
                    In general, a brain rupture, how can you take a tax on the fact that you do not bring income?

                    This is the case when my state is "my insurance companies". Where will I live if terrorists blow up my house? Will the overflowing river blow away? Destroyed by an earthquake? Who will help me? Only I myself and my state, these second ones should not let me down while they are alive.
                  4. sergeyzzz
                    sergeyzzz 3 March 2016 07: 38 New
                    +1
                    The property tax, for your information, we always had and in accordance with current legislation the interest rate of the tax (within certain limits of course) is set not by the Moscow authorities but by the local authorities. Do not grind nonsense in that area in which you know nothing.
                  5. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 3 March 2016 22: 45 New
                    0
                    atalef

                    Real estate tax, a common practice in North America. Often people buy transported homes to avoid paying this tax.
                2. vlad_vlad
                  vlad_vlad 2 March 2016 17: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  Mahmut (1) Today, 12:45 ↑
                  ... Our people were torn off as sticky, they no longer know what else to raise with them the retirement age, or simply not pay. And all this for the sake of what, for the sake of investing our funds in the economy of a potential adversary ...


                  I agree somewhere ...
                  When a ship flows, you can spend resources (money) on closing holes - i.e. make an investment. And you can save money (resources) for future repairs in the port.

                  there is only one question - will the ship survive to call at the port? and if so, at what cost?

                  IMHO - it is necessary to make a stash, but not to invest, not to "close the holes" is also nilzya.
              2. dmi.pris
                dmi.pris 2 March 2016 21: 51 New
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                But it’s interesting (I’m certainly not an economist, and I’m an ignoramus in this matter, as probably our entire government ..) And if you sign contracts for the supply of hydrocarbons only when paid not in wrappers, but in rubles, or even better, gold rubles ...
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 2 March 2016 22: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: dmi.pris
                  And if you sign contracts for the supply of hydrocarbons only when paying not in wrappers, but in rubles ..

                  Imagine, for more than one year people have been working on this topic .. here's a little about it, but in general, according to the word "SPIMEX", there is a lot of interesting things to find Mona .. and Nuna yes

                  Quote: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com/87523.html
                  For several months I have not gotten around to writing in detail about our systemic problems in terms of launching Russian ruble oil futures. I take off my hat to a group of St. Petersburg patriots from SPIMEX, who are promoting this topic, despite the colossal resistance of the environment. One of the obstacles is that in our oil companies (surprises!) There is a catastrophic shortage of specialists who could be engaged in pricing on the Russian site, to be "price makers" and not "price takers". Many are used to signing contracts with foreign trading companies according to the formula "average price on the ICE exchange in London for a period of X minus Y cents" and then doing nothing, receiving bonuses for drop dead efficient work, while nimble traders from Vitol and others like them make billions on our "inventory". It is clear that for this whole caste of "honored professionals with MBA" the creation of a Russian futures is like a sickle for a bonus, and not even because the CIA bought them all, but because for them it is like launching a Papuan into the stratosphere. Papuan cannot become an astronaut
            2. atalef
              atalef 2 March 2016 11: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: Mahmut
              I see no reason for joy in the fact that the Central Bank is buying waste paper with budget money. Dude Olegin swam a little on the basis of turbopod.

              I was absolutely sure of this and half a year ago I wrote that Putin would not spend reserves either on the economy or on maintaining the ruble.
              Putin is a child of the war time and poverty of the USSR.
              For his generation and partly ours - it sits in the brain, you cannot remain without a nest egg.
              It's just that GDP has not moved away from this poverty syndrome and believes that its understanding is an understanding of the global economy.
              With such a policy, you can safely die in poverty with a bag of money under the mattress.
              Sense to build up reserves, if industry needs money? If you need to invest in the country?
              Complete nonsense.
              Crawl out the people as you want, we will increase taxes (to fill the cap even more - notice dollars, more precisely not a dollar and Fed bonds - dollars will go to the US economy)
              GDP understands the economy at the level of one family, and the whole problem is, who will object to it? Therefore, all this for a long time.
              1. Dmitry 2246
                Dmitry 2246 2 March 2016 11: 47 New
                +3
                There is an economic war, victims of which have already become Ukraine, Syria and the list is not finished. In my opinion this is obvious.
                And in the war, the chosen strategy and the reserved reserves decide.
                So far, everything is working well and the battle can continue, and the prize will be the expansion of sales markets as a result of the expansion of military-political influence. soldier
                1. atalef
                  atalef 2 March 2016 12: 10 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Dmitry 2246
                  There is an economic war, victims of which have already become Ukraine, Syria

                  Same to me industrial giants
                  Quote: Dmitry 2246
                  In my opinion this is obvious.

                  Captain obvious laughing
                  Quote: Dmitry 2246
                  in war decides the chosen strategy and reserves

                  and in the absence of a strategy, reserves go to the winner. I wanted to say the right strategy.
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 2 March 2016 12: 57 New
                    +5
                    Same to me industrial giants


                    And what does gigantism have to do with it? The first in wars always suffer small allies.

                    and in the absence of a strategy, reserves go to the winner. I wanted to say the right strategy.


                    Yes, but she is. Show teeth to sit out. The strategy is not the worst. But also in case you have to fight, stocks also will not hang on the collar.
                    1. zvereok
                      zvereok 2 March 2016 22: 36 New
                      -2
                      Show teeth to sit out. The strategy is not the worst. But also in case you have to fight, stocks also will not hang on the collar.


                      Yeah, and there was also a strategy "Putin deliberately collapsed the ruble in order to buy out all the shares from foreigners on the cheap" and another hundred thousand strategies in the spirit of Misha Siploi ... the rest of the people.
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                3. Rastas
                  Rastas 2 March 2016 18: 55 New
                  +3
                  Good mister, what are you talking about? or do you like that on ordinary citizens of Russia, power is being played out in a crisis? That is, you approve of the investment of Russian money in foreign stocks and their withdrawal abroad, instead of maintaining your own economy, which is now in ...? Those. Are you, like Mr. Dude, a faithful kudrinets? What do you write about expanding sales markets and military influence? Think like an ordinary, imperious imperialist, if you had your own company and what market to enter.
                4. zvereok
                  zvereok 2 March 2016 22: 31 New
                  +2
                  It seems that the result will be another privatization (to hold out before the election), and for a penny, in which people will not even formally participate. Well, then the expansion of sales markets, etc., so that exporters will be provided with their cup of rice for the rest of their lives.

                  I see in the eyes of iPhone the strategy "To service a pipe in Russia, a million people are needed, the rest did not fit into the market."

                  Vote for EP.
              2. Scoun
                Scoun 2 March 2016 12: 04 New
                +6
                Quote: atalef
                Sense to build up reserves, if industry needs money? If you need to invest in the country?

                And if you look from the other side?
                Does it make sense to "waste" the reserve to achieve tactical success if at stake strategic target?
                We still will not be told what they want to achieve, and from that there are a lot of assumptions and everyone is watching.
                Over the last 10 years gold reserve Russia has grown 4 times and continues to grow rapidly.

                Today, Russia ranks sixth in the world in gold reserves. In total, in 2015, the gold reserves of the Central Bank of Russia grew by 184,7 tons of pure gold

                The Bank of Russia (CB) regularly replenishes with it its gold and foreign exchange reserves (gold reserves). The share of gold in gold reserves over the past few years has grown from 6,8% to 13,7%, and the gold reserve itself grew by 50%.

                So you shouldn't roll the barrel at Oleg Chuvakin so indiscriminately, otherwise we are not only couch warriors, but also for the most part “couch economists” and personally I myself often spit and swear at our government and officials, but I try to look from different sides) )) except for such cases as the Sakhalin governorate ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 2 March 2016 12: 17 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Scoun
                  And if you look at it from the other side, is there any point in "wasting" the reserve to achieve tactical success if a strategic goal is at stake?

                  And what is the strategic goal? sort of how to boost the economy? It’s correct to improve the standard of living of the population, and now explain to me how to do it, if production is already falling, and you don’t put that much money that can be invested in development into a deposit in the USA?

                  Quote: Scoun
                  Over the past 10 years, Russia's gold reserve has grown 4 times and continues to grow rapidly


                  sense then? Gold is a dead load, especially since they bought the same things at maximum prices, gold depreciated over 5 years by more than 2.5 times.
                  2.5 times - Karl !!!

                  Gold prices on world exchanges on Wednesday fell to a minimum of 5 years. Futures for December delivery fell on the Comex market to $ 1062 per troy ounce.


                  Quote: Scoun
                  The Bank of Russia (CB) regularly replenishes with it its gold and foreign exchange reserves (gold reserves). The share of gold in gold reserves over the past few years has grown from 6,8% to 13,7%, and the gold reserve has grown by 50%.


                  Your home also has a gold reserve in the form of a pair of rings and something else. How does this help you live? and develop your own business? - That's about me.

                  Quote: Scoun
                  So it’s not worth it to roll the barrel on Oleg Chuvakin so indiscriminately


                  Why roll? Nobody rolls.
                  1. Scoun
                    Scoun 2 March 2016 13: 46 New
                    +6
                    Quote: atalef
                    And what is the strategic goal?

                    so who will tell us? ))) I do not know, I only dare to assume that they are doing this not for the sake of "tick".
                    Quote: atalef
                    Nobody rolls.

                    yes it's another rolled))
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    Dude Olegin swam a little on the basis of turbopod.

                    Quote: atalef
                    Gold is a dead load, especially since they bought at the maximum price the same, gold depreciated over 5 years in more than 2.5 times

                    and you ask who and how "forms" the price of gold.
                    Gold Fixing (Eng. Gold Fixing) - a method of daily determination of the price of gold, which has been used in the London interbank gold market since September 12, 1919.

                    and there are two old men sitting there and they form "landmarks".
                    London Gold Fixing, twice daily by the London Gold Market Fixing Limited, is the main guideline for market participants.

                    Quote: atalef
                    Do you have the same gold stock in the form of a pair of rings?

                    and if the ingot is on deposit?
                  2. Scoun
                    Scoun 2 March 2016 13: 50 New
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    Gold is a dead load, especially since they bought the same things at maximum prices, gold depreciated over 5 years by more than 2.5 times.
                    2.5 times - Karl !!!

                    In general, the first thing I found on this topic.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 2 March 2016 14: 04 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Scoun
                      In general, the first thing I found on this topic.

                      Roman, I’ll explain to you my vision of this problem (or rather the situation) - I absolutely do not care about the price of gold, oil (or you will say that the price of 120 per barrel is fair), bread, sausage or diapers.
                      This does not play any role in our situation, since all this is absolutely relative and has a connection as to the locality, conditions and, most importantly, MENTALITY of people (if you explain to me at all why gold is better than palladium, copper, old socks or shells --- I'll be very happy )
                      so - only one thing makes sense - reality !!!
                      So in today's reality, you can buy gold 2.5 times less than you could buy 5 years ago - all the other talk, in favor of the poor, the search for theories and conspiracies.
                      Having come to the store with his bullion and yelling that everything around is tied and gold actually costs as much as you personally think, and you are obliged to give for it as much as you think is right - they will not lead to anything.
                      The reality is that it costs as much as it costs today. Dot.
                      I’m also sure that the price of oil is 120 bucks per barrel, with a production price of 8 bucks - this is not just a robbery - it's worse. Moreover, unlike gold - this is generally a daily commodity - but will it help me? No.
                      Think about it. Everything is much more complicated.
                      1. Scoun
                        Scoun 2 March 2016 14: 59 New
                        +8
                        Quote: atalef
                        (if you explain to me at all why gold is better than palladium, copper, old socks or shells --- I will be very happy).

                        I do not pretend to be an expert, but gold has been for a very long time, over 3000 thousand years, and even before our era)) was a certain trading standard! and probably for a number of reasons - it does not oxidize, is easily processed and not so much in circulation.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Having come to the store with his bullion and yelling that everything around is tied and gold actually costs as much as you personally think, and you are obliged to give for it as much as you think is right - they will not lead to anything.

                        Remember the history of the appearance of paper bonds "money" and real gold stood behind the face value. Which did not oxidize, did not have sulfur impurities and which is very difficult to counterfeit in mass and volume (like tungsten rods) and the same oil simply cannot be taken and pumped into the state reserve storage))
                        Quote: atalef
                        I’m also sure that the price of oil is 120 bucks per barrel, with a production price of 8 bucks - this is not just a robbery - it's worse.

                        But on the other hand, we are dealing with the so-called "petrodollar". Why should it be fair that the Arab, the Latinos and the Russian sell oil not for their national currencies, but for others? and their internal consumption of "chips" does not depend on internal pricing but on the exchange rate and pegging the cost of a barrel?
                        Personally, I believe that if we sell to China for yuan or rubles, then we spend part of the money in China, and depending on the mutual movement of goods and the demand for the money supply, the exchange rate of the two currencies is formed. That is, I need shekels, which means I first of all try to earn them by selling to Israel something that may be interesting and more interesting to Israel than from others (even wheat) and buy carrots. And here it prevents me from trading with Israel that the dollar "jumped" because the barrel fell in price ... or Goldman Sachs made a negative forecast ...))
                        Quote: atalef
                        Think about it. Everything is much more complicated.

                        Therefore, doubts and questions))) Hence it seems to me that not everything is so simple. Why was Ukraine so dragged into the Euroassociation? why is the US so pulling europe into another association? There, people clearly understand what goals they pursue.
                        It's messy but I don't own all this "tops", but I successfully speak tongue-tied)))
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 2 March 2016 15: 12 New
                        -4
                        quote = Scoun] I do not pretend to be an expert, but for a very long time gold was a certain trading standard for several reasons over 3000 thousand years, and even before our era)) it does not oxidize, is easily processed, and is not much used. [/ quote]
                        those. let's agree on one simple answer - the human mentality of shells also possesses all these qualities (let's say of a certain type - rare)

                        [quote = Scoun] Remember the history of the appearance of paper bonds "money" and real gold stood behind the face value [/ quote]
                        So what ?
                        [quote = Scoun] Which was not oxidized, had no sulfur impurity and which is very difficult to fake by mass and volume (tungsten rods like) and the same oil simply cannot be taken and pumped into the state reserve storage)) [/ quote]
                        Oil can be pumped anywhere. Yes, again, underground (which is successfully done in the US in the state reserves of oil storage)

                        [quote = Scoun] the fact that both the Arab and Latinos and Russian sell oil not for their national currencies but for others? [/ quote]
                        Convenient, otherwise confusion and hundreds of translation courses
                        [quote = Scoun] and their internal consumption of "chips" does not depend on internal pricing but on the exchange rate and pegging the cost of a barrel? [/ quote]
                        The economy needs to be developed, then oil will not depend so much
                        [quote = Scoun] Personally, I think that if we sell to China for RMB or rubles, then we spend part of the money in the same China, and depending on the mutual movement of goods and the demand for money supply, two currencies are formed. [/ quote]
                        Only if these 2 countries only with each other and no one else trades. And if we suppose that China trades with America and Russia, and Russia with America and China - you have to agree to have to carry out correlations at the rates of already between 3 currencies. and if there are 50 such countries? 100? - a standard is required, a binding to something that all parties trust - that's why it is - dollar, euro .. Eni, pound - choose. Dollar is not necessary
                        [quote = Scoun] That is, I need shekels, so I primarily try to earn them by selling to Israel that it can be more interesting and interesting than others (let wheat) and buy carrots [/ quote]
                        And if you have nothing to sell, and I have the cheapest carrot? Where do you get the shekels? Or will you go to buy in China (maybe you have a yuan) but at the 3rd price?
                        And if you sold it to Venezuela, and there 200% of inflation7 What will you do with the Bolivars?
                        [quote = Scoun] And here it prevents me from trading with Israel that the dollar "jumped" because the barrel fell in price ... or Goldman Sachs made a negative forecast ...)) [/ quote]
                        And why did you decide that if the ruble fell, then the prices will remain the same?
                        [quote = Scoun]))) Hence it seems to me that not everything is so simple. Why was Ukraine so dragged into the Euroassociation? why is the US so pulling europe into another association? There, people clearly understand what goals they pursue. [/ Quote]

                        what kind ?
                      3. regsSSSR
                        regsSSSR 2 March 2016 19: 45 New
                        +2
                        atalef

                        quote = Scoun] I do not pretend to be an expert, but for a very long time gold was a kind of trading standard for several reasons over 3000 thousand years, and even before our era)) it does not oxidize, is easily processed, and is not much used.

                        those. let's agree on one simple answer - the human mentality of shells also possesses all these qualities (let's say of a certain type - rare)


                        hmm. well maybe). that's just strange that all the conquerors uh sorry (researchers)) of the new world! the Native Americans of both continents very willingly exchanged shells of baubles for pebbles and drag metals of yellow color and not vice versa yes and it seems to me that one of them has clearly set foot winked laughing
                        and what really can we wave tady without looking I see you shells of the rarest kind and you give me gold laughing well let's say kilogram per kilogram everything seems to be honest winked wink
                  3. gigiperfetto
                    gigiperfetto 2 March 2016 15: 47 New
                    +1
                    And then Comrade Soroskin thought, "I was just one step away from failure!"
                  4. bk316
                    bk316 2 March 2016 20: 33 New
                    +3
                    This is a normal understanding for a stock market speculator, but for an investor, it’s already gone, and for a president, it’s not at all.
                  5. bk316
                    bk316 2 March 2016 20: 37 New
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    you can buy gold 2.5 times less than you could buy 5 years ago - all the other talk, in favor of the poor, the search for theories and conspiracies

                    So at 2,5 or NOT at 2,5 Or are your conversations also in favor of the poor?
              3. andj61
                andj61 2 March 2016 14: 29 New
                +8
                Quote: atalef
                Gold is a dead load, especially since they bought the same things at maximum prices, gold depreciated over 5 years by more than 2.5 times.
                2.5 times - Karl !!!

                hi I agree that gold is a dead weight. But I don’t believe that it has depreciated 5 times in 2,5 years! am https://news.yandex.ru/quotes/10.html
                The first link that came across.
                Maximum - September 2011 - purchase -1830,5 talers. Now - 1232,3.
                That is, it fell 1,5 times. But the maximum price was only a month, then fell, rose again and fell to today's level and even lower, and rose again. That is, it was pure speculation - and you should not take it as a starting point. Moreover, in September 2010 it was 1246,2 - almost as it is now. If we take statistics from the beginning of the zero, then the price of gold has increased 4 times. January 2000 - 283,7. Will you find at least one product with such price dynamics? what
              4. Dam
                Dam 2 March 2016 15: 05 New
                +3
                The price of gold forms the London Stock Exchange. And there on sale gold to paper is already 1: 300. When the whole Bretton-Miracle system collapses ... and it is already very close, gold will become a real measure of stability in mutual settlements, as was always the case with wars and crises
                1. Fat
                  Fat 2 March 2016 18: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Damm
                  The price of gold forms the London Stock Exchange. And there on sale gold to paper is already 1: 300. When the whole Bretton-Miracle system collapses ... and it is already very close, gold will become a real measure of stability in mutual settlements, as was always the case with wars and crises

                  IMHO If money is taken as an expression of "cost of labor", then any metal is suitable, even sodium in a metallic form, gold, unlike many other metals, exists in nature as a metal and its "somewhat more" than meteoric iron and nickel. Acceptance of gold as an equivalent is absolutely logical and gold will not go anywhere. There is not much "work" and the amount of "labor" increases many times over, gold is "not very" => labor becomes cheaper. This is the reason for thesaurus - "family economy"
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              6. Igor39
                Igor39 2 March 2016 15: 20 New
                +6
                Gold depreciated 2,5 times? And according to the schedule for 5 years, 14,04% Karl, from 46 to 39 dollars per gram Karl!
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 2 March 2016 22: 42 New
                  +3
                  Today it is depreciating, and tomorrow it will take off - a market economy is waves - now is the best time to buy gold and precious metals - which I also do in addition to buying shares.
                  1. Igor39
                    Igor39 3 March 2016 05: 59 New
                    0
                    I don’t buy gold, but I buy cheap X-ray photographs and fixer, I already have about a ton, silver in a ton of kg 12 for sure, I have such assets wink
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 3 March 2016 09: 44 New
                    0
                    And an even more reliable investment is art objects - they will always grow in price, regardless of the market.
            3. Fat
              Fat 2 March 2016 18: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              And what is the strategic goal? sort of how to boost the economy? It’s correct to improve the standard of living of the population, and now explain to me how to do it, if production is already falling and those are not many money that can be invested in development

              Both on! belay The strategic goal is to develop production through the "initiative" of citizens, to get a "middle class" as such ... Well, there is no such class in the Russian Federation on a "pronounced" scale. That "little" for development is received by VEB for "special projects" and just in "expressed" scales ...
            4. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 2 March 2016 21: 49 New
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              sense then? Gold is a dead load, especially since they bought the same thing at maximum prices, gold depreciated over 5 years by more than 2.5 times. 2.5 times - Karl !!!

              Yes, completeness to you sir)))
              Gold is primarily a stock, not a dead load. Given that there is not so much physical gold on the market, this is a strategic reserve.
              Speculators today are driving a bubble of paper gold - that is, a dummy, and shearing real money from the difference in the rate of purchase = sale. Dummy Karl! Not for nothing, banks do not insure deposits of citizens in depersonalized metal accounts. Burnt themselves to blame.
              Russia has quite a few of its mines and buys the gold they mine not for the currency, but for the RUBLES, which have depreciated against the dollar by half. That is, we can offer our mines, for our gold, two times more rubles and, along the way, support the profitability of production. So to say that the purchase was at the peak of a rise in the price of this metal is not true. We do not spend currency on the purchase of metal.
              Probably, we can partly dump the mattress IOUs for the currency that we can spend on buying up "not our" gold, thereby reducing the amount of "paper" in our reserves by replacing it with gold, which, by the way, China does. What for? Another question.
              Just imagine for a minute if tomorrow the main oil suppliers refuse to sell it for dollars and ask for a barrel for a couple of grams of despicable metal. Horror, but nobody can exclude this.
              20 trillion American debt that is growing every day, reducing the likelihood of repayment ever to countries creditors, does not inspire optimism.
              Quote: atalef
              Your home also has a gold reserve in the form of a pair of rings and something else. How does this help you live? and develop your own business? - That's about me.

              Here, depending on the position from which to look at these rings))) If since 1991, then the 120 ruble ring by 1994 already cost 250-300 thousand (Garage 4 million) Hyperinflation, you know))) And having passed the ring into a pawnshop, you could at least pay for the hut and buy a little havchik. Those. again, the presence of 2-3 rings of the house at the moment, as you put it, is a dead load, and if in the future, then this is already a strategic reserve))) Prospects are different ....
              1. zvereok
                zvereok 2 March 2016 22: 54 New
                -2
                Russia has quite a few of its mines and buys the gold they mine not for the currency, but for the RUBLES, which have depreciated against the dollar by half. That is, we can offer our mines, for our gold, two times more rubles and in the course of support


                Private banks are buying gold, which used to drive it abroad in hard currency, as the rest of the raw materials came from other eq. sectors. This was one of the areas of activity of banks. Now with Russian banks, the west does not want to hobble. Therefore, they sell gold to the Central Bank.

                So, this is primarily the support of banks from the Central Bank, which stepped over and through the law on the Central Bank, collapsing the ruble and through the constitution.

                I had such strategists in all poses.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 2 March 2016 23: 02 New
                  +3
                  Quote: zvereok
                  Private banks are buying gold

                  "Raw" gold ??? belay

                  Quote: zvereok
                  who used to drive him abroad

                  Drive just IMHO, you ..

                  Quote: zvereok
                  I had such strategists in all poses

                  Another .. offended by life, damn it .. that's why, I wonder, I'm not whining? request
                2. zvereok
                  zvereok 3 March 2016 11: 21 New
                  0
                  I have already imagined how Nabiulina harnesses herself to a sled and to Kalyma, to buy gold ... By shuttle method))) ...

                  Read it.
                  http://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2015/04/30/rossiiskie-zolotodobitchiki
                  -boyatsya-iz-za-sanktsii-lishitsya-evropeiskogo-rinka-sbita

                  The inclusion of Russian banks in the lists of Western sectoral sanctions may lead to the fact that domestic gold that is sold abroad only through them (76 tons last year, or 26% of production) may remain in Russia.
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 3 March 2016 09: 44 New
                +3
                Quote: zvereok
                Now with Russian banks, the west does not want to hobble. Therefore, they sell gold to the Central Bank.

                Well, let’s say, you figured out the Russian banks, but what do you think about the fact that European countries, the lion's share of which is stored in the USA, suddenly set out to return it to their control and to their territory? Only no one can do it, because The United States does not want to return it (read it can’t) and refuses even to verify the numbers of the ingots they have in storage.
                Today Venezuela is forced to sell its gold reserves, 85% of which Germany intends to buy. And why the hell do you think Germany needs this? Resell inside Germany between banks?
              3. zvereok
                zvereok 3 March 2016 11: 29 New
                0
                Germany? Well, she, like the whole of Europe and the United States, entered the new trading era, as a junior partner. Perhaps the next step is the creation of a common currency, a common Central Bank. Well, to get a greater sol of influence - a little gold will not hurt ...

                But this is so, as paranoia.
              4. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 3 March 2016 19: 26 New
                0
                Quote: zvereok
                Germany? Well, she, like the whole of Europe and the United States, entered the new trading era, as a junior partner. Perhaps the next step is the creation of a common currency, a common Central Bank. Well, to get a greater sol of influence - a little gold will not hurt ...
                But this is so, as paranoia.

                No dear ....... Germany is not from the USA! Germany (people and big business) is Germany, and Merkel is the European Union. EU from the USA.
                So it turns out that the German people and business with Russia, and Merkel, is trying to preserve the United Europe project, which is directed against Europe itself (destruction of sovereignty) and against Russia, in terms of the implementation of the project of a single economic space from Europe to Vladivostok. For the United States, the implementation of this project: Europe + Russia = a nightmare, and therefore Merkelikha, as a "booty", produces what her "partners" dictate to her, even if it contradicts the interests of Germany itself. The idea of ​​the European Union arose with one goal - to deprive the European countries of their own sovereignty and to subordinate them to the EU legislation, which was written by the Americans, in order to put 800 million potential buyers of American goods under the Americans. To do this, the Europeans get into all sorts of crap like gay marriages and other tolerance, so that they do not see behind these "blinders" how their countries are becoming food for the most voracious ghoul chased by "USA".
                So you are wrong - Europe has not yet entered a new trading era, it is still on its way to it. But in the USA and in the EU and in the Russian Federation, they understand that on this path it is necessary to correctly insert sticks into the wheels in order to live in abundance for the next 100-200 years. Everything is complicated but necessary ...
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    3. Al1977
      Al1977 2 March 2016 12: 21 New
      +6
      Does it make sense to "spend" the reserve to achieve tactical success if a strategic goal is at stake?

      Everything is correct. But only there is no strategy. For now, the strategy is "to wait until the oil price rebounds." There is no strategy in the anti-crisis plan. And the results of the anti-crisis plan, as you know, have been classified. What would it be?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 2 March 2016 22: 57 New
        -2
        There is only one thought, to reach the elections, and after them even the grass does not grow.

        By the way, recently I thought - according to the law, the former president is not judged. Is the defendant acting?
    4. zvereok
      zvereok 2 March 2016 22: 41 New
      -2
      Today, Russia ranks sixth in the world in gold reserves. In total, over the 2015 year, the gold reserves of the Central Bank of Russia increased by 184,7 tons of pure gold


      Do you know why? How paradoxical it sounds - because of the sanctions. Most foreign banks do not want to deal with ours, but the products of gold mining companies need to be put somewhere. Here the Central Bank and buys.
  2. Kent0001
    Kent0001 2 March 2016 12: 42 New
    +1
    Money for industry and other things was allocated quite a lot, but were used in the wrong direction. Therefore, now they don’t give a lot of money from the budget, there is simply no sense from this.
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 March 2016 12: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Kent0001
      Money for industry and other things was allocated quite a lot, but were used in the wrong direction. Therefore, now they don’t give a lot of money from the budget, there is simply no sense from this.

      laughing
      And as always, there are no perpetrators, or rather there are. Kasyanov, for example (I don’t support him), but what does he have to do with it?
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 2 March 2016 17: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Kent0001
        Money for industry and other things was allocated quite a lot, but were used in the wrong direction. Therefore, now they don’t give a lot of money from the budget, there is simply no sense from this.

        laughing
        And as always, there are no perpetrators, or rather there are. Kasyanov, for example (I don’t support him), but what does he have to do with it?

        Well, such for example, even at the old exchange rates
        The scandal with ex-Minister of Agriculture Elena Skrynnik continues. Recall, on the TV channel “Russia 1” last week they showed a film in which the former high official was accused of embezzlement 40 billion rubles.

        This is the essence of the charges. Prior to her appointment as Minister, Elena Skrynnik led Rosagroleasing, a company that supplies machinery and equipment to farmers on credit.

        The current leadership of Rosagroleasing believes that under Elena Skrynnik the company diverted money abroad.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 14: 44 New
      -1
      Yeah, today the "redhead" from the president for 89 lard in Russian, onano asked and is confident that he will give,
      because there is never much money.
      And the redhead on New Year's Day shouted that he had them to a fig, it means money for money ...
      And medicine, education, senior citizens are past.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 2 March 2016 14: 50 New
        0
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Yeah, today the "redhead" asked the president for 89 lard on rosonano and is confident that he will give,

        What is Vitek) real? go nuts
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 22: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          What is Vitek) real? go nuts

          One hundred pudoff !!!
          Rusnano "asks to allocate 89 billion rubles to him. from the National Welfare Fund (NWF) to launch a $ 2 billion Russian-Indian fund, Interfax reports citing a source.

          It is reported that the head of the state-owned company Anatoly Chubais appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to provide NWF funds on a repayable basis for 15 years (with the possibility of early repayment) at a rate of no more than 2% per annum.

          The President instructed his assistant Andrei Belousov to work out this proposal with interested departments and companies.
          source: http: //www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2016/03/02/n_8318675.shtml
  3. alicante11
    alicante11 2 March 2016 12: 53 New
    +5
    I was absolutely sure of this and half a year ago I wrote that Putin would not spend reserves either on the economy or on maintaining the ruble.


    Just as he said that Assad will leave in February? Or he’ll say that he’ll leave. February has passed away. Assad is more alive than all living and in power, no matter how many teeth surrounding everyone.

    For his generation and partly ours - it sits in the brain, you cannot remain without a nest egg.


    No need to la-la, the "GDP generation" remembers perfectly well how the "stash" melted away in the early 90s. So "power is not in money, brother."

    It's just that GDP has not moved away from this poverty syndrome and believes that its understanding is an understanding of the global economy.


    And it never occurred to us that Russia and the whole world are on the brink of war? And war loves money. And to stay in such a situation with an empty little egg would not be right.
    It also did not occur to you that this money, in fact, has nowhere to spend? It is now unpromising to develop resource industries. It also makes no sense to build enterprises for the production of consumer goods, as it were, because their products are uncompetitive compared to the same Chinese. While our market is the only alternative to Chinese exports, which can be covered in the event of specific showdowns with amers. Heavy industry (automotive, for example), during a recession, will not pay off either. Therefore, money is invested in three directions. The first is weapons. To scare the amers and redirect the enemy's blow to the east - to China. The second is the military-industrial complex, this is both export and capacity in case, after all, it is necessary to fight. And the third is keeping the social network at the minimum necessary level. So that the people do not interfere with the oligarchs and the authorities to protect the well-stocked goods. Why then money? Well, for example, if you manage to sit out from the war, then you will need money to carry out "import substitution" and credit the recovery of the victims. At the same time, it is quite clear that the Chinese cannot withstand a collision with the USA and therefore candy wrappers will remain in value. But, just in case, they also stock up on gold.

    Crawl out the people as you like, we will increase your taxes


    And here you are not socialism to think about the people. And even when their grandmother and power are under threat. You, too, do not all roll with cheese in butter. Somehow they also brought pictures and articles about the Israelis homeless. They also looked for "features of forum Jews".
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 13: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: alicante11
      And here you are not socialism in order to think about the people. Yes, and when threatened by their grandmother and power. You, too, are not all skated raw in oil.

      Congratulate each other:
      Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a congratulatory telegram to former USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev on the occasion of his 85th birthday, TASS news agency reported Wednesday, citing the Kremlin’s press service.

      In a telegram, Putin wished Gorbachev "good health and all the best."
      The current president of Russia called the first and last president of the USSR and the former general secretary of the CPSU "a bright, extraordinary person, a prominent statesman and public figure."
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 2 March 2016 13: 53 New
        +5
        Congratulate each other:


        Well, what would GDP be without a hunchback? Retired Colonel or Major General of the KGB? Obviously, they would not be allowed into the Politburo. So there is something to thank.
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 2 March 2016 14: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        In a telegram, Putin wished Gorbachev "good health and all the best."
        The current president of Russia called the first and last president of the USSR and the former general secretary of the CPSU "a bright, extraordinary person, a prominent statesman and public figure."

        Well, what about Vladimir Putin - a politician he has to do a lot of unpleasant things that he might not have done if he were a simple person.
        1. Rastas
          Rastas 2 March 2016 21: 46 New
          0
          Something I can’t remember if Stalin or Brezhnev congratulated the members of the Romanov dynasty.
    2. atalef
      atalef 2 March 2016 13: 15 New
      -6
      Quote: alicante11
      Just as he said that Assad will leave in February? Or he’ll say that he’ll leave. February has passed away. Assad is more alive than all living and in power, no matter how many teeth surrounding everyone.

      Assad has not left yet that the truth is the truth.
      Wait

      Quote: alicante11
      No need to la-la, the "GDP generation" remembers perfectly well how the "stash" melted away in the early 90s. So "power is not in money, brother."

      And in their quantity and proper application
      Quote: alicante11
      And it never occurred to us that Russia and the whole world are on the brink of war?

      No
      Quote: alicante11
      And war loves money. And to stay in such a situation with an empty little egg would not be right.

      What are you saying ? And where is the money Zin? In the US in Fed bonds. wink
      Quote: alicante11
      It also did not occur to me that this money, in fact, has nowhere to spend?

      Gap template, but no where?
      Quote: alicante11
      . To build enterprises for the production of consumer goods, as it were, also does not make sense, because their products are uncompetitive in comparison with the same Chinese. While our market is the only alternative to Chinese exports, which can be covered in the case of specific disassemblies with amers. Heavy industry (automotive, for example), during the recession, will not pay off either

      Oh well. This is a completely new economic path. Do not invest in yourself - they will vserah.
      Quote: alicante11
      The first is weapons. To scare amers and redirect the enemy’s strike to the east - to China.

      It is right . S. Korea follows the same path good
      Quote: alicante11
      The second - the military-industrial complex, it is both export and capacity in case you still have to fight

      Actually - this can be attributed to the first
      Quote: alicante11
      And the third is to keep social programs at the minimum necessary level.

      Well, well in S. Correi --- everything is as they have
      Quote: alicante11
      . You, too, are not all skated raw in oil. Somehow they brought pictures and articles about the Israeli homeless people.

      And what do we have to do with it? I saw homeless people in Luxembourg
      Quote: alicante11
      ... They also looked for "features of forum Jews".


      what is it ?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 2 March 2016 14: 04 New
        +4
        Assad has not left yet that the truth is the truth.
        Wait


        So, I vkurse that you wait. But the forecast did not grow together.

        No


        Well, then try to think, maybe you'll like it :).

        And in their quantity and proper application


        Who argues you spoke about the "experience of the GDP generation", and the experience of the 90s would just show that the "money box" does not store money very well.

        What are you saying ? And where is the money Zin? In the US in Fed bonds. wink


        So what is the problem, if we fight, then we throw off bonds through China, if the Chinese fight, then we buy even more winners' bonds on the cheap. In any case, the money will go into action.

        Oh well. This is a completely new economic path. Do not invest in yourself - they will vserah.


        It is necessary to invest. But in due time. And not when the crisis and money do not pay off. Under socialism, Stalin could afford industrialization in a crisis, and here the question of profit, without which capitalism would not fart, would not move.

        Actually - this can be attributed to the first


        It is possible, but a plus in the possibility of export. Finished weapons from the troops are not so well exported.

        Well, well in S. Correi --- everything is as they have


        Well, not vylkom, and not like them. It means that something is "wrong" with you, does not grow together.

        And what do we have to do with it? I saw homeless people in Luxembourg


        And despite the fact that "we" also have people who have increased their income. Look, federal officials, top managers, skilled workers in the construction of gas pipelines, etc. So that's what capitalism is for, so that someone is on horseback, and someone "does not fit in." And us and you and in Luxembourg. There is no difference between capitalist states.
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 March 2016 14: 36 New
          -8
          Quote: alicante11
          So, I vkurse that you wait. But the forecast didn’t grow together


          Not all cat Shrovetide. I'm not Wang laughing but I’m not changing my opinion. Assad will not remain in power
          Quote: alicante11
          Who argues you talked about the "experience of the GDP generation", and the experience of the 90s would just show that the "money box" does not store money too well

          Then why not invest? And he said that he would not spend reserves?
          Quote: alicante11
          So what is the problem, if we fight, then we throw off bonds through China, if the Chinese fight, then we buy even more winners' bonds on the cheap. In any case, the money will go into action.

          Well, of course, you take off through them, or they through you-- but in both cases the United States is fighting, and who told you. that in this situation they will generally repay them?
          Moreover, transactions are widely controlled under the control of the United States and they somehow cut through who is throwing where and what
          Quote: alicante11
          It is necessary to invest. But in due time. And not when the crisis and money do not pay off

          What nonsense. And how to get out of the crisis? No investment
          Quote: alicante11
          and here the question of profit, without which capitalism will not fart, not that it will not move.

          Of course laughing , it’s only the USA that lowered the rate during the crisis and gave the industry money (probably stupid), but the EU didn’t and ...
          The United States has long climbed out of the crisis, and the EU is starting this year (after 8 years of stomping), what the United States did.
          Quote: alicante11
          It is possible, but plus in the possibility of export.

          Weapons for a country that didn’t bring prosperity to the economy
          Quote: alicante11
          Well, not vylkom, and not like them. It means that something is "wrong" with you, does not grow together

          Everything grows together, everything as you said - S.Korea all thoughtfulness is the military-industrial complex, weapons are exported - the people are in the priest.
          Quote: alicante11
          despite the fact that "we" also have people who have increased their income. Vaughn, federal officials, top managers, skilled workers in the construction of gas pipelines

          Let's talk about the official figures of the incomes of the population, not the individual Sechins
          Quote: alicante11
          Both us and you and in Luxembourg. There is no difference between the capitalist states.

          Why not?
          Do you equal the standard of living of the population of capitalist Sweden, Luxembourg, us or the same Germany and Russia?
          Strange, which of us is blind?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 2 March 2016 15: 32 New
            +3
            Not all cat Shrovetide. I’m not Wang laughing, but I don’t change my opinion. Assad will not remain in power


            It is quite possible that if the Americans leave BV peacefully, they will be given "sweet candy" in the form of Assad's resignation. To not be so offensive. Or you will have to start a full-fledged war.

            Then why not invest? And he said that he would not spend reserves?


            I explained how I would reason in his place. Why is it not spending GDP - it is better to ask him.

            Well, of course, you take off through them, or they through you-- but in both cases the United States is fighting, and who told you. that in this situation they will generally repay them?


            Well, for example, so that Russia does not join China or China to Russia. Amerms cannot endure war against Russia and China.

            What nonsense. And how to get out of the crisis? No investment


            So until the political situation is resolved, no one is going to get out of the economic crisis. The authorities mothballed the situation, preventing an uncontrolled decline and great discontent among the population. When it is determined to be a war and with whom, then they use the means.

            Of course, laughing, it was only the USA that lowered the rate in the crisis and gave the industry money (probably stupid), but the EU did not and ...


            And what have you achieved? Did they blow new bubbles in the market and provoke an even more powerful crisis? Cool.

            The United States has long climbed out of the crisis, and the EU is starting this year (after 8 years of stomping), what the United States did.


            Well, well, this is especially noticeable in the markets ...

            Weapons for a country that didn’t bring prosperity to the economy


            And who is talking about prosperity? A side benefit, in your opinion, is a bonus.

            Everything grows together, everything as you said - S.Korea all thoughtfulness is the military-industrial complex, weapons are exported - the people are in the priest.


            What is growing together? Compare life in the DPRK and in Russia. We even didn’t have this in 90.

            Let's talk about the official figures of the incomes of the population, not the individual Sechins


            What for? Is it capitalism or where? Why "talk about losers and non-users"?
            They don’t die of hunger, all right. Will you argue? This I explain to you in your capitalist language. I myself am against this, but not from you to hear these arguments.

            Why not?
            Do you equal the standard of living of the population of capitalist Sweden, Luxembourg, us or the same Germany and Russia?


            Yes, because there are "successful" and there are those who do not fit in. The question is in the percentage of both. But this is also a variable value. And the principles are the same. That is why capitalist society is harder to rock. Because everyone has a dream - to consume, and this does not imply a willingness to die for their ideals. Here is to groan in the internet - for God's sake, and in the morning come to your stall and rewrite the price tags to higher ones.
          2. atalef
            atalef 2 March 2016 19: 02 New
            -1
            Quote: alicante11
            It is quite possible that if the Americans leave BV peacefully, they will be given "sweet candy" in the form of Assad's resignation. To not be so offensive. Or you will have to start a full-fledged war.

            to whom and with whom?
            Quote: alicante11
            Well, for example, so that Russia does not join China or China to Russia. Amerms cannot endure war against Russia and China

            Like, pay your debts and we will not join, but we will join - so what? The war is probably nuclear wink
            Quote: alicante11
            Well, well, this is especially noticeable in the markets ...

            What is noticeable?
            Quote: alicante11
            And what have you achieved? Did they blow new bubbles in the market and provoke an even more powerful crisis? Cool.

            It's cool that you think the crisis is in the USA

            Quote: alicante11
            That is why capitalist society is more difficult to rock. Because everyone has a dream - to overlook


            work, earn and live well - you mean?
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 3 March 2016 13: 06 New
            0
            to whom and with whom?


            With whom - with Russia, to whom? To Turks, Saudis, if you, then Iran is a trailer. And then, in general, the entire Middle East pro-Amer’s coder will be killed, since the land border will appear.

            Like, pay your debts and we will not join, but we will join - so what? Probably nuclear war wink


            The Americans can unleash nuclear, the Chinese and I are simply helping each other to buy up the Amer expeditionary forces and take control of Eurasia and Africa at least. After that, Americans can wipe their bucks. And we will get much more than bonds.

            It's cool that you think the crisis is in the USA


            It's cool that you think that there is no crisis in the USA.

            work, earn and live well - you mean?


            The fact of the matter is that not to work, but to earn is to maximize profits.
  • Al1977
    Al1977 2 March 2016 13: 37 New
    +2
    And it never occurred to us that Russia and the whole world are on the brink of war?

    But ordinary Americans, Europeans, Japanese, Asians know about this?)) They seem to unknowingly develop their economies, produce the seventh iPhones, autopilot cars, discover new particles and waves .. We all see alone, that's why we lurk, save up strength to future war))))) By this logic, yes, there are no questions for the government, in fact, in 41 nobody thought about the growth of GDP and the payment of penises))) To the machine and 18 hours to everyone.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 2 March 2016 14: 10 New
      +6
      They seem to unknowingly develop their economies, produce seventh iPhones, autopilot cars, discover new particles and waves ..


      Where do you see "development"? In iPhones, which nobody needs nafig, just advertising and "fashion". Moreover, on credit. Or speculating in worthless stocks in the stock markets? I'm talking about the real sector, which is slowing down even among the Chinese. Because the markets are already inundated with their iPhones, it is impossible to sell. And producing for the sake of production is masochism.

      in fact, in 41 a year nobody thought about the growth of GDP and the payment of penis))) To the machine and 18 hours to everyone.


      In 41, we had socialism and the leader of the people and their close associates did not own 90% of the country's resources. Therefore, people knew what to hump at the machine for 18 hours. Now for what? For Abramovich to change the yacht, because the sheikh has 5m longer? Or so that Deripaska wring out a new factory from someone?
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 2 March 2016 14: 38 New
        -1
        Where do you see "development"? In iPhones, which nobody needs nafig, just advertising and "fashion". What does the loan

        "During the traditional conference, the company reported on the results achieved in the 4th fiscal quarter of 2015. In addition to the growth in sales of Apple CEO Tim Cook separately noted that it achieved the highest revenue in the entire history of Apple - $ 234 billion."
        "The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation adopted a budget for the 2015 financial year, in which the amount of revenue is set at 15,082 trillion rubles. At the current exchange rate in dollars, this amount corresponds to $ 234 billion and is equal to Apple's revenue for the 2015 financial year."
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 2 March 2016 15: 35 New
          +1
          In addition to the growth in sales of technology, Apple CEO Tim Cook separately noted that it achieved the highest revenue in the entire history of Apple - $ 234 billion. "


          So what? Have you made anybody useless tsatsek, vpendyuril suckers and call it "economic development"? This is called kidalov development.

          At current dollar rates, that amount equals $ 234 billion, equal to Apple's fiscal 2015 revenue. "


          Well, if it's TNC, then what's so strange?
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 2 March 2016 16: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: alicante11
          So what? Have you made anybody useless tsatsek, vpendyuril suckers and call it "economic development"? This is called kidalov development.

          Then I don't quite understand what "economic development" means. Give an example of such a country.
          PS I have an iPhone, an awesome cool phone, especially after androida. I don’t regret the money spent. But the Russian car industry ... the main article of the anti-crisis plan, by the way, I do not support in any way, these cars are, as you say, "kidalovo". This is so - offtopic.
  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 2 March 2016 13: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: alicante11
    Somehow they brought pictures and articles about the Israeli homeless people.

  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 2 March 2016 14: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: alicante11
    So that the people do not interfere with the oligarchs and the authorities to protect the well-blessed good.

    And here is the good of the people where it is:
    Leonid Mikhelson is the richest Russian.
    Co-owner of the Novatek and Sibur companies Leonid Mikhelson became the richest Russian in the Forbes rating with a fortune of $ 14,4 billion.
    Moreover, while the people of our country are impoverished under the sanctions of the West, different Mechelsons, on the contrary, are getting richer:
    Michelson’s fortune increased over the year by $ 2,7 billion and now totals $ 14,4 billion.
    http://stuki-druki.com/facts1/Leonid-Mihelson-samiy-bogatiy-rossiyanin-FOTO-VIDE
    O.php
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 2 March 2016 15: 38 New
      +2
      And here is the good of the people where it is:


      Well, that's what I mean. It's just that Atalef took up populism. So I am translating into his capitalist language. It is not for the capitalists to teach us how our oligarchs shod us with their help. Moreover, Russia will not survive once again their "help". So they are going through the forest, we have drained the country ourselves, and we ourselves will answer. And then, you see, they will gnaw each other's throats, like in WWI, and we will have a chance.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 2 March 2016 18: 58 New
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        It is not for the capital giants to teach us how our oligarchs shook us with their help.

        Sorry, but under capitalism you live, who besides them will bourgeois now teach?
  • Fat
    Fat 2 March 2016 17: 43 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Crawl out the people as you want, we will increase taxes (to fill the cap even more - notice dollars, more precisely not a dollar and Fed bonds - dollars will go to the US economy)
    GDP understands the economy at the level of one family, and the whole problem is, who will object to it? therefore

    1. Income tax - linear scale.
    2. The more you have, the more you pay.
    Oh-oh-oh where is the justice? The tax on "real estate" is being raised correctly, I'm sure. You cannot "move" property to increase income, so get rid of the extra "burden".
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 March 2016 19: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: Thick
      Oh-oh-oh where is the justice? The tax on "real estate" is being raised correctly, I'm sure. You cannot "move" property to increase income, so get rid of the extra "burden".

      Moving property?
      The tax can only be on what generates income, and here it is to take tax on income.
      And so it turns out a very interesting cortina.
      You saved up money to buy real estate, money from which all taxes from the pension to the income tax have already been deducted is pure money, and suddenly after you bought the walls with that money, suddenly you again owe it to the state and every year again .
      Wouldn't it boldly tear the skin twice?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 March 2016 19: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Wouldn't it boldly tear the skin twice?

        Quote: http://lawyersinisrael.ru/tax-on- real estate-in- Israel
        le /
        When buying, selling, and also while owning property You will certainly encounter such taxes as:

        income tax (“mass sheva”)
        Improvement tax (“Ashbah ethel”)
        purchase tax (“mas rechish”)
        municipal tax ("arnona")

        belay
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 March 2016 23: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Quote: atalef
          Wouldn't it boldly tear the skin twice?

          Quote: http://lawyersinisrael.ru/tax-on- real estate-in-israel/
          When buying, selling, and also while owning property You will certainly encounter such taxes as:

          income tax (“mass sheva”)
          Improvement tax (“Ashbah ethel”)
          purchase tax (“mas rechish”)
          municipal tax ("arnona")

          belay

          Mass shevah is a profit tax if you own more than one apartment and sell them for profit, etc. - one-time, is 20%. From the difference between buying and selling an apartment - designed to limit speculation in the real estate market
          Masnia and Rechish - standard (one-time) tax on the purchase and sale of an apartment - at an apartment price of up to 300 tons of dollars is not paid
          Arnona - municipal tax for garbage collection, gardeners, schools - such as your housing and communal services
          Well, where among all this is real estate tax, and even annual?
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 2 March 2016 23: 33 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Well, where among all this is real estate tax, and even annual?

            Really no? Even in Sweden - and that is, but in Israel - no? belay

            Indeed, the Promised Land laughing

            Alexander, hi
  • bk316
    bk316 2 March 2016 20: 31 New
    +2
    Does China and Japan have the same syndrome? Their gold reserves will be more.
  • Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 2 March 2016 22: 44 New
    +1
    Alexander. But it cannot turn out like this: “Yesterday the crayfish were five rubles each. Well, oh, very big. And today, three rubles. But very small. And I didn't have five rubles yesterday, and today I don’t have three. If I had five rubles ... Yesterday. ")))
  • Awaz
    Awaz 3 March 2016 21: 32 New
    0
    unfortunately, the Russian authorities are not able to somehow influence the situation, well, almost. If all the grandmas earned from oil weren’t accumulated and everyone was crap, or at least they built their eyes on the future and got into fucking debts, now there would be more ass than what we have. The Kremlin, participating in all these WTOs and other similar structures, really destroyed the remnants of industry in its country.
    When Londoners intentionally reduce the air temperature in winter at home, which would save on bills, this all causes emotion, but when the Russians stopped fattening and began to look at the price tags and got a little bit shrunk in costs (although savings are growing in the private sector) - for everyone for some reason it began to cause hysteria.
    I work in a furniture factory. I see how demand has changed. Moreover, the upper price sector, as well as the lower one, remained practically unchanged, but the average (200-500 thousand in rubles) disappeared almost completely. Buyers of this sector are not poor people and they haven’t gone anywhere, they just started to take money more carefully or went down to the grassroots level or FIG knows. So did I, I began to look at the price tags and really realized that you can save a lot in many product areas, for example, very much. And that's it. If my family went my trips to Spain at the age of 13 in the region of 200 thousand, then right now also in Rome we will probably be able to keep up with the same amount (we can get a little shopping)
    I do not consider the Kremlin’s actions to be perfectly correct, but Russia didn’t start the war, Russia is only defending itself. And it is clear that competing with the whole world is useless, but so far the country has not collapsed and is holding on. Some industries are even growing. It is unlikely that Israel would have survived even a year with such external pressure.
    If among the rulers there would be a bit more adequate and clever specialists, many of the current moments could have been avoided. The policy of investing in the American economy is not a Russian invention. It forces the general global economic system to do so and it is very difficult to get rid of it. Russia is too small a market and alone, as the USSR cannot function. Therefore, you have to cooperate with everyone with whom it is possible.
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 3 March 2016 22: 50 New
    0
    atalef

    Good for GDP, politics. I prefer stably not richly, but confidence in the future. And I'm not alone. Historically so.

    Remember Krylov's fable "red summer sang, did not have time to turn around, winter is already on the nose."
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  • Rastas
    Rastas 2 March 2016 19: 01 New
    0
    You see, Mahmut, many commentators on the branch have a split personality. For example, Samsonov will write an article about the fact that gold and foreign exchange reserves are growing due to the devaluation of the ruble, but instead of investing them in their economy, traitors-liberals take them out of the ocean, commentators will write about the need for all these liberals to use outweigh the pillars. But Mr. Chuvakin wrote an article, so these same characters unsubscribe that the strategy is right, Putin has done everything as always wisely.
  • flay
    flay 3 March 2016 15: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Mahmut
    I see no reason for joy in the fact that the Central Bank is buying waste paper with budget money. Dude Olegin swam a little on the basis of turbopod.


    Waste paper do you speak? For now THIS WASTE the whole world accepts.
    Have you convinced the whole world?
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 2 March 2016 12: 39 New
    0
    And this is the biggest problem in Europe, its occupation after 1945, and in the second stage since the beginning of the 90s of the last century. Something like this. And the strength of this very occupation from the United States is only growing.
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  • chikenous59
    chikenous59 2 March 2016 09: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    And what, each country separately, will not need trade with Russia?

    Well, the article deals with the collapse of Europe not in the sense that the EU will cease to exist, but that Europe will greatly weaken economically and politically.
    So I’m still not sure that we need a fragmented, unrest in Europe.
    Putin seems to think the same way, somewhere I heard from him a similar statement.
    They will not need Russian oil and gas?

    It will be needed, but even in smaller quantities due to economic collapse, and this again is the loss of the Russian budget.
    Ready to live even worse?
    And then, you forgot such a saying: "Divide and conquer!"

    I remember most of the readers here, and you also condemn the USA for such a method, which has divided and dominates half the world.
    And now you yourself propose to tear Europe apart politically, weaken it economically and rule? Incidentally, EU GDP is now $ 18-20 billion. What will remain of this amount after you tear apart the old woman Europe and set chaos there?))
    Decide on the direction of your thoughts.
    Are you on the side of evil or good?))
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 2 March 2016 14: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: chikenous59
      Incidentally, EU GDP is now $ 18-20 billion. What will remain of this amount after you tear apart the old woman Europe and set chaos there?))

      Well, firstly, not billions, but trillions of $. And secondly: was there chaos in the EU before the EU? In my opinion, they developed quite decently, and vice versa: when the EU was created, problems arose. Greece alone is worth it.
  • dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 2 March 2016 09: 44 New
    +4
    I like our foreign policy now.
    But inside the country, not everything is good. I really hope for the presidency (no one else)
    that will roll the neck of corruption. hi
  • prostorabochiy
    prostorabochiy 2 March 2016 11: 27 New
    +4
    Absolutely right. The European Union is not a state. This is a union of states that have agreed that they have a currency, some laws, rules and regulations, etc. will be the same. We sell oil and gas, etc., not to the European Union, but to each individual country individually. Another conversation is that with the adoption of the European energy package, all these countries are obliged to take into account its provisions when concluding transactions. Nevertheless, the loot is not unfastened by the European Union, but by Germany, the Czech Republic, Poland, etc. in the size of the share of their interest. And while they have (interest) they have, and I’m not afraid to assume that in the future there will be no big difference how they (the EU members) get married between themselves. There is a difference - to where the pipe will reach, and to where to carry with buckets.
    1. Bacha
      Bacha 2 March 2016 11: 54 New
      0
      Absolutely to the point !!!
  • Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 2 March 2016 09: 04 New
    +1
    With each individually.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 March 2016 09: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: chikenous59
    If we are interested in the collapse of Europe, then with whom will we trade


    But what if the EU falls apart, then people do not need to heat houses and cook food? What a stupid question? Also for the rest of the order of goods.
    Less need to pay attention to all these corrupt magazines. Previously, they commented on events that had already happened, but now, like fortunetellers, fortunetellers try to predict what will happen. But nothing will happen, with normal, adequate countries we both traded, and we will trade and fulfill our obligations, and not to hell with the moon.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 2 March 2016 09: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      But what if the EU falls apart, then people do not need to heat houses and cook food? What a stupid question?

      And what a stupid question you have? Energy resources, most of them, are consumed by Europe's highly developed industry. Kill the economy and what happens? Will we sell gas with oil only so that Europeans do not freeze from the cold? How much will we earn on this?))
      I think a little, so then do not be surprised if, due to a budget deficit, you have to hear on the news that we have already reduced the cost of medicine in our country, or stopped indexing pensions or something else.
      Still tied to each other, and you would have to cut everything from the shoulder sharply, earning "plus signs".
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 2 March 2016 10: 22 New
        +6
        Kill the economy and what happens?
        Do you think that killing the economies of individual countries and the collapse of the EU are one and the same?
        Nonsense. You are fixated on your thought, dear ...
        1. chikenous59
          chikenous59 2 March 2016 11: 15 New
          -3
          Quote: BecmepH
          Do you think that killing the economies of individual countries and the collapse of the EU are one and the same?

          We ruin the EU - we ruin many of the laws that EU members must comply with.
          This implies the closure of borders for the free movement of vehicles, the emergence of trade duties that will affect the price of European products and make products less competitive. Giant subsidies to manufacturers, most of which Germany covered, would disappear from here.
          Countries are becoming every man for themselves, becoming even tougher competitors, and with higher prices for products, thanks to the introduction of customs duties and the abolition of subsidies from Brussels and Berlin, it becomes clear that production will suffer very, very much, as the demand for European products will fall. Demand will fall, incomes will decrease, incomes will decrease, consumption will also decrease, and here we will suffer with our exports to Europe and will be left "without pants"
  • andj61
    andj61 2 March 2016 10: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: chikenous59
    If we are interested in the collapse of Europe, then with whom will we trade after its collapse,

    The collapse of the European Union is not the collapse of Europe. Yes, and we trade with specific countries and companies, and not at all with the European Union as a supranational superstructure.
    According to the expert, the Kremlin understands that with every bombing of Aleppo, a “new wave of refugees” is created. Thus, Russia successfully "divides the ranks of the European Union." The European Union, according to the political scientist, is “punished” for its unilateral policy towards Ukraine.

    And the almost three-year bombing of Syria and Iraq by the United States didn’t cause any of this ... it’s very interesting! And the refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, other African countries - is Russia also to blame for this? Interestingly, how many percent of the total number of refugees in Europe are Syrians? It is unlikely that more than 20% ... But now under their guise, having thrown away their own documents, only the lazy in Europe is not trying to penetrate. Even the Albanians do not disdain this.
  • serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 2 March 2016 11: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: chikenous59
    If we are interested in the collapse of Europe, then with whom will we trade after its collapse in order to compensate for the loss of export revenues from at least oil and gas, which makes up the lion's share of budget revenues?

    The collapse of Europe will certainly provoke a crisis worse than 08, so Russia is not interested in the collapse of geypors, but quarreling everyone there, and just spitting in the soup is sacred ...
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 2 March 2016 11: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      The collapse of Europe will certainly provoke a crisis worse than 08, so Russia is not interested in the collapse of geypors, but quarreling everyone there, and just spitting in the soup is sacred ...

      And many VO "experts" believe that the EU can be destroyed without consequences, regardless of how strongly the economies of the EU member states are tied to each other.
  • tommy717
    tommy717 2 March 2016 11: 27 New
    +2
    We are not interested in the collapse of EUROPE, but in the collapse of the EUROPEAN UNION. And this is a completely different story.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 2 March 2016 11: 34 New
      0
      Quote: tommy717
      We are not interested in the collapse of EUROPE, but in the collapse of the EUROPEAN UNION. And this is a completely different story.

      And our president believes otherwise))
      1. andj61
        andj61 2 March 2016 14: 10 New
        0
        Quote: chikenous59
        Quote: tommy717
        We are not interested in the collapse of EUROPE, but in the collapse of the EUROPEAN UNION. And this is a completely different story.

        And our president believes otherwise))

        He is a public man, and speaks diplomatically. But it is clear to everyone that it is much easier for Russia to agree with France, Germany, Italy than with Poland, the Baltic Limitrophs, and Romania. And accordingly - due to pressure from the latter and the United States, the EU as a whole is in a much tougher position than its leading countries.
  • kos2910
    kos2910 2 March 2016 11: 33 New
    +3
    And who said that we are interested? The chaos at hand is not a good neighborhood. But it won’t reach, countries will remain. True, the migration crisis has not yet spoken. Europe all one will not be the same as before, in 5-10 years it will change irreversibly.
  • Xsanchez
    Xsanchez 2 March 2016 11: 59 New
    +1
    Russia has always been and will be interested in the collapse and division of the occupied territory called Europe, because, following the unification of European countries, war with Russia invariably sets in. History, nothing personal.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 2 March 2016 12: 29 New
      +1
      History, nothing personal.
      What does history say about the mass arrival of Muslims in Europe?
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 2 March 2016 13: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        What does history say about the mass arrival of Muslims in Europe?

        In 711 - a mass arrival in Spain, until 1492 - a mass departure. laughing
  • Luga
    Luga 2 March 2016 14: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: chikenous59
    If we are interested in the collapse of Europe, then with whom will we trade after its collapse in order to compensate for the loss of export revenues from at least oil and gas, which makes up the lion's share of budget revenues?


    The collapse of the gay union (not Europe) means the rejection of the euro, the transition of countries to national currencies, the cessation of economic dictatorship in relation to such countries as Greece, Hungary, Bulgaria, etc., which are immediately pumped east. Politically, Russia wins unequivocally. And in the economic ... Also, I think, there will not be much harm.

    Unfortunately, I do not see serious prerequisites for such a collapse. As practice in the geyropa shows, now politics prevails over the economy. Maybe someone will fall off, but the skeleton will be preserved and no one will release the slaves. When rams in the pen are easier to manage.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 2 March 2016 16: 22 New
    -2
    The lion's share is 30% !!! They hung spaghetti on our ears by tying the dollar to oil, there is a brazen divorce of the Russian people, that is, robbery, so Putin is OK.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 March 2016 16: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Spaghetti hung on our ears tying a dollar to oil

      Let me remind you - this happened in 1973-1975 approximately .. Putin is definitely not "tied" here wink

      And by the way, what do you think it means - "tied the dollar to oil"? Oil - it is liquid, and the dollar - it is either paper or even .. non-cash .. And how, copper, they were "tied" ?? belay

      Quote: tolmachiev51
      there is a brazen divorce of the Russian people, i.e.-robbery, so Putin and everything is OK

      And Putin was pulled here for some reason .. by the ears ..

      Get off the wheels already, or just stop writing nonsense yes
  • olegactor
    olegactor 2 March 2016 17: 05 New
    0
    and that it’s not good to trade with individual countries ... it’s necessary with a whole bunch .. for example, I wouldn’t sell gas to Poles and Labuses ... let them ... heat up with Dossky ... fools need to be taught
  • Alf
    Alf 2 March 2016 19: 57 New
    0
    Quote: chikenous59
    to compensate for the loss of income from exports of at least oil and gas, what is the lion's share of budget revenues?

    And we, at the request of the working people, will raise gas prices for the population. First time, or what?
  • Same lech
    Same lech 2 March 2016 08: 50 New
    +5
    "The Central Bank is ready to tolerate any volatility of the course, just not to spend reserves",

    Following this logic ... and then we should keep our savings in gold and in foreign currency.
    And the ruble should be left only as an instrument of settlement operations.
    Yeah ... the poor ruble have it as everyone wants.
    1. The black
      The black 2 March 2016 09: 34 New
      +9
      Well, keeping your savings only in gold is also not entirely profitable. States that buy gold, of course, lose some of their liquid funds, since gold bars do not bring interest, but gold protects against fluctuations in the foreign exchange markets. This provides the "golden" protection of Russia against crises. Gold is "a kind of reinsurance, since the precious metal is recognized in every way, is accepted by all states and cannot be reproduced." Another thing is, why the heck are their securities, when you can invest these funds in your own ...
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 2 March 2016 10: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Black
        Another thing, why the heck are we their securities, when you can invest these funds in your ....

        ... GKO of the USA is not just a security ... it is a paper denominated in dollars and is a state debt of the USA ... though at least a penny but the percentage is paid for it, and the US GKOs themselves have a maturity, that is, payments, and if you urgently need cash, you can, like any security, just sell and get cash ... for the Central Bank of the Russian Federation it’s actually dollars ... not to carry cash to it with airplanes and ships ... in general, how to store it 1 a million rubles in banknotes of 10 rubles and in banknotes of 1000 rubles ... that’s the whole difference ... hi
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 2 March 2016 11: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Inok10
          GKO of the USA is not just a security

          No, this is not Rio de Janeiro, it is much worse

          Imagine a situation when the United States introduces such a specific type of sanctions against the Russian Federation as freezing the repayment of "its own GKOs" (Treasuries) from Russian (state and / or private) bearers. And then what to do? To concede these "securities" to our "friends" from China? They will take - and with pleasure - but only with a good discount. And they will be right - if you have problems (sanctions and restrictions), then these are your problems. If you cannot solve problems, then pay.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 2 March 2016 12: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: OldWiser
            Imagine a situation when the United States introduces such a specific type of sanctions against the Russian Federation as freezing the repayment of "its own GKOs" (Treasuries) from Russian (state and / or private) bearers.

            ... this is called default and the bankruptcy of the us state ... some have already introduced a moratorium on paying public debt ... dill ... did it help much? ... don't fool people ... hi
        2. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 2 March 2016 11: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Inok10
          GKO of the USA is not just a security

          No, this is not Rio de Janeiro, it is much worse

          Imagine a situation when the United States introduces such a specific type of sanctions against the Russian Federation as freezing the repayment of "its own GKOs" (Treasuries) from Russian (state and / or private) bearers. And then what to do? To concede these "securities" to our "friends" from China? They will take - and with pleasure - but only with a good discount. And they will be right - if you have problems (sanctions and restrictions), then these are your problems. If you cannot solve problems, then pay.
    2. atalef
      atalef 2 March 2016 11: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Following this logic ... and then we should keep our savings in gold and currency


      Store in dollars. The Central Bank stores in dollars, believe me, do like it.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And the ruble should be left only as an instrument of settlement operations.

      While there is no particular reason for the fall of the ruble, oil holds (-) (+) 35 bucks.
      Of course, this year, debt payments are not frail, and in summer the demand for oil will fall slightly.
      but again - macro this does not play a special role, it seems that oil has reached reasonable price limits - the balance of supply and demand.
      Consequently, the budget of the Russian Federation is not balanced and the introduction of new taxes and raising the retirement age is a decision of the near future.
      A recession (with such a policy) is a long time since replenish reserves in the absence of investment in the economy can only economist sick on his head.
    3. atalef
      atalef 2 March 2016 11: 35 New
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Following this logic ... and then we should keep our savings in gold and currency


      Store in dollars. The Central Bank stores in dollars, believe me, do like it.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And the ruble should be left only as an instrument of settlement operations.

      While there is no particular reason for the fall of the ruble, oil holds (-) (+) 35 bucks.
      Of course, this year, debt payments are not frail, and in summer the demand for oil will fall slightly.
      but again - macro this does not play a special role, it seems that oil has reached reasonable price limits - the balance of supply and demand.
      Consequently, the budget of the Russian Federation is not balanced and the introduction of new taxes and raising the retirement age is a decision of the near future.
      A recession (with such a policy) is a long time since replenish reserves in the absence of investment in the economy can only economist sick on his head.
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 2 March 2016 08: 51 New
    21
    I believe that everything is correct with the ruble exchange rate.
    This course allows you to breathe in many industries. In fact, now in Russia it has become profitable to produce anything. The problems are only with imported materials and equipment, and even with loans from imported banks. If we now abandon the agreement with the IMF and print some money, then it would be possible, and despite some acceleration due to inflation, to more successfully stimulate economic growth. And it will not be necessary to reduce bank interest; inflation will eat it. And then return to inflation targeting again.
    Now they will nominate me and say that it’s hard for citizens. Yes, in the short term it’s hard, but in the long term it will be steps to get off the oil needle. And how else to capture the already divided western markets? Only dumping.
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 2 March 2016 09: 01 New
      +5
      And money is printing. This time for VEB. All these banking failures are not just.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 March 2016 10: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Flinky
        All these banking failures - for a reason

        Not just - but how?

        This is to the fact that if you know something - tell me clearly already .. please yes
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    3. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 2 March 2016 09: 13 New
      +4
      Send minus. We don’t want to think, only emotions.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 2 March 2016 09: 36 New
        11
        Quote: armored optimist
        Send minus. We don’t want to think, only emotions.

        Why is it a minus, I put it to you, you think everything is right, and whoever does not think about tomorrow, but only about the momentary benefit, that sucks, hey minusers and, well, FAS me.
    4. 81 onwards
      81 onwards 2 March 2016 09: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: armored optimist
      Yes, in the short term it’s hard, but in the long term it will be steps to get off the oil needle.

      70 years went from communism to socialism - they waited. 25 years of "progressive democracy" - again they expected improvements. And when do you think this long-term period will begin?
      1. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 2 March 2016 09: 34 New
        +3
        If such a low ruble exchange rate is maintained for at least two three years, many industries will rise and capture their market shares. Well, in a different way, how to do it? Look, VAZs went to Europe. Purely due to dumping. This is just one example. There will be a higher rate, our products will be more expensive beyond the hill. How can one compete differently in a divided market and overproduction crisis in the world?
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 09: 40 New
          +5
          Quote: armored optimist
          If you keep such a low ruble exchange rate for at least two three years, then many industries will rise and capture their market shares. Well, in a different way, how to do it?

          Firstly, it is necessary to reduce the prices of energy monopolies!
          Second, free the real sector from frantic taxes!
          Thirdly, to provide industry and agricultural machinery with cheap loans, i.e. put the banking system at the service of production, and not vice versa.

          PS. and you, dear cotton candy in your head in a mushy state. hi
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 2 March 2016 09: 43 New
            0
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Firstly, it is necessary to reduce the prices of energy monopolies!

            Reduce prices for whom?
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 09: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: chikenous59
              Reduce prices for whom?

              desirable for everyone, because energy prices in a northern country make up the lion's share of production costs.
              1. chikenous59
                chikenous59 2 March 2016 10: 10 New
                0
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                desirable for everyone, because energy prices in a northern country make up the lion's share of production costs.

                Come on, you) had to work in production.
                It is not electricity that eats up the enterprise’s income, but equipment, its depreciation, workers' wages and the material from which the products are made.
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 10: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: chikenous59
                  Come on, you) had to work in production.

                  In the manufacture of Christmas toys? wink
                  Quote: chikenous59
                  It’s not electricity that eats up the enterprise’s income, but equipment, its depreciation,

                  Speak. % depreciation.
                  Quote: chikenous59
                  the material from which the products are made.

                  But did this "material" come out of thin air, or who made it, too, at its own cost?
                  Quote: chikenous59
                  workers salaries

                  Already starting to get angry !!! am
                  The lion's share in the prime cost is ENERGY and EXPENSIVE LOAN point!
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 2 March 2016 10: 45 New
                    +3
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Already starting to get angry !!!
                    The lion's share in the prime cost is ENERGY and EXPENSIVE LOAN point!

                    Dear .. if you are so literate as you are (of which I personally have no doubt), please provide the price (cost) structure. And preferably not

                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Christmas toys

                    Then it will be possible to believe you unconditionally. And shout loudly - yes everyone knows how to ..
                  2. chikenous59
                    chikenous59 2 March 2016 11: 26 New
                    +2
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    In the manufacture of Christmas toys?

                    Mechanical engineering.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Speak. % depreciation.

                    The company itself sets the percentage of deductions depending on the high cost of equipment, because the equipment can be recouped in a year and then the product will cost "10 rubles", or it can be recouped in 10 years, and then the product will cost several times cheaper. So much for the cost of production.
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 12: 10 New
                      +2
                      Quote: chikenous59
                      Mechanical engineering.

                      On fingers!
                      You are a deer of a machine-tool plant, I ordered 100 metal-cutting machines from you.
                      You take a loan at 30-35%.
                      You buy metal from Mordashov, who is an exporter and sells it to a geyropa, for example. 100 beats per tonne. Cheaper you will not sell by definition.
                      Then you buy in the same geyrop for cu missing equipment and tools.
                      Provided that the prices for energy and logistics with us are comparable to the geyropa, pay energy suppliers and transporters approximately ... in USD
                      Then, taking into account the cost price and the margin profit laid down by you, you bill me!
                      And I go to the "alibaba", compare prices and send you with your price in a certain direction!
                      is it clear? wink
            2. chikenous59
              chikenous59 2 March 2016 11: 49 New
              0
              For questions still minuses touchy girls put)))
          2. Armored optimist
            Armored optimist 2 March 2016 09: 54 New
            +6
            70-80% of energy prices consist of taxes, they are taken away by the state, and not by monopolies.
            By the way, about the cereal in my head. You argue theoretically, and I lead the construction and design companies, so that I know practically the situation.
            And in particular, we are now launching the production of some materials for construction, which we could not have dreamed about in course 33.
            1. chikenous59
              chikenous59 2 March 2016 09: 57 New
              +3
              Quote: armored optimist
              70-80% of energy prices consist of taxes, they are taken away by the state, and not by monopolies.

              I agree.
              The same Rosneft, for example, simply pays 82% to the budget in the form of taxes on its profits.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 10: 29 New
                -2
                Quote: chikenous59
                The same Rosneft, for example, simply pays 82% to the budget in the form of taxes on its profits.

                Maybe it’s more clear to you
                1. bk316
                  bk316 2 March 2016 20: 46 New
                  +3
                  Enough of this ... Resident PR.
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      2. bocsman
        bocsman 2 March 2016 10: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: 81 onwards
        Quote: armored optimist
        Yes, in the short term it’s hard, but in the long term it will be steps to get off the oil needle.

        70 years went from communism to socialism - they waited. 25 years of "progressive democracy" - again they expected improvements. And when do you think this long-term period will begin?

        Then the USSR and now Russia are opposed to the entire Western world, or world capital. It hurts Russia a tidbit for looting! So they endured and need to endure, in war as in war! And I might add this is too pathetic but essentially true. Russia is the only country that will save humanity from the Anglo-Saxons!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 2 March 2016 14: 18 New
          +1
          Now Russia is opposed to the entire Western world, or world capital
          The present Russia is a liberal bourgeois, that is, a capitalist country. Therefore, regardless of what you looked on TV there, the Russian capitalists are at the same time as European, American ... There are many examples, but only one. Periodically, Ukrainian nationalists smash the buildings of the Savings Bank. Alphabank, but for some reason they still do not leave from there. But they don’t go to safe Crimea.
      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag 2 March 2016 19: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: A.D. 81.
        70 years went from communism to socialism

        cart in front of the horse
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      5. bk316
        bk316 2 March 2016 20: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: A.D. 81.
        70 years have passed from communism to socialism - they were waiting.

        WHAT?

        There was already communism, and let us turn it into socialism?
      6. karbine
        karbine 2 March 2016 22: 21 New
        0
        Quote: A.D. 81.
        again waiting for improvements. And when do you think this long period will come?

        Never. Improvement just from their expectations does not happen. "Man himself is the creator of his own happiness" - Max Gorky.
    5. evil partisan
      evil partisan 2 March 2016 09: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: armored optimist
      I believe that everything is correct with the ruble exchange rate.

      Not an economist, but I want to support you, Colleague hi.
      Regarding the situation with the ruble, even the most prominent HSE economists cannot agree among themselves: it is necessary to keep the ruble or not to keep the ruble. So it’s not so simple what ... If they do not understand, then where do we go with our 8th grades recourse ... This morning on "Business FM" told that due (or due to ...) the fall in the exchange rate of the ruble increases the flow of tourists from Western Europe yes ! The cost of living, food. excursions etc. Moscow is 20% lower belay than the same for the same period in Barcelona. And in St. Petersburg - 30% lower yes . And in Izhevsk, Western tourists will surely find everything for nothing fellow . And I can’t say anything about Pelym lol .
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 10: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        Regarding the situation with the ruble, even the most prominent economists from the HSE cannot agree among themselves:

        Currency devaluation is possible only when you do not have import dependence.
        and if you have an industry localization level of 30-35% ?. What is the devaluation of the fix?
        The ruble was dropped for the sake of speculators, in order to then declare privatization as a factor in replenishing the budget, and to buy everything for money made from air, remaining in fact, with your own!
        An alternative to collateral auctions taxis! belay
    6. zoknyay82
      zoknyay82 2 March 2016 09: 44 New
      +2
      ... "How else to capture the already divided Western markets? Only by dumping." ... Simple! It is necessary to produce demanded and competitive, high-quality products, and does not seek to throw a bunch of money de-ma on the market.
      1. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 2 March 2016 10: 46 New
        +3
        In theory, yes, but practically remember where you started, and China continues. The world's first economy has risen on low labor costs, cheap and low-quality materials, and low quality workmanship and assembly. Stop sprinkling ash on your head — we are Russian crooked-handed, we don’t know anything, we don’t have brains, etc. We need to start somewhere, then we get technological experience, developments, equipment. Just a fairy tale affects.
    7. delvin-fil
      delvin-fil 2 March 2016 09: 44 New
      0
      I agree completely, because you need to understand that inflation and devaluation, the essence of things are different.
    8. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 March 2016 10: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: armored optimist
      This course allows you to breathe in many industries. In fact, now in Russia it has become profitable to produce anything

      Forgot to add:
      - for export (since the "course" is mentioned)
      - competitive in the western market (since they won’t buy otherwise)

      hi
      1. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 2 March 2016 11: 32 New
        +1
        In the domestic market, competition conditions with imported goods are also improving. For example, we are now expanding at an accelerated pace for a small children's clothing factory in Rostov. Two co-owners of the enterprise sigh - there is a problem with fabrics, but no problems with sales. Price has become competitive with respect to imports, quality is ensured.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 March 2016 11: 34 New
          0
          Quote: armored optimist
          In the domestic market, competition conditions with imported goods are also improving

          ABOUT! I forgot about that at all .. thanks, + 100 hi
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 2 March 2016 12: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        for export (since the "course" is mentioned)

        if imported garbage on the domestic market is cheaper than similar domestic, then trade will buy and push us with you, dear , namely imported goods, and not products of "import substitution". The cost of production is in no way related to the direction of its sale.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        competitive in the western market (since they won’t buy otherwise)

        the difficult task, however, is to achieve such competitiveness, considering how much they steal and "roll back".
      3. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 2 March 2016 12: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        for export (since the "course" is mentioned)

        if imported garbage on the domestic market is cheaper than similar domestic, then trade will buy and push us with you, dear , namely imported goods, and not products of "import substitution". The cost of production is in no way related to the direction of its sale.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        competitive in the western market (since they won’t buy otherwise)

        the difficult task, however, is to achieve such competitiveness, considering how much they steal and "roll back".
    9. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 2 March 2016 12: 16 New
      +1
      And there are shells, but the arrows are beaten.
      And there are rifles, but few fighters. ...
      If only we could stand the night and hold out the day. ... Arkady Gaidar

      And trouble came from where they did not wait. The damned bourgeois attacked us ...
      Gold words!!!
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    11. Al1977
      Al1977 2 March 2016 13: 21 New
      -1
      In fact, now in Russia it has become profitable to produce anything.

      Purchasing power has decreased significantly. Loans are expensive. It is not profitable to open production .. rather, rather risky. If you would give cheap loans, provide some kind of stability with the currency, so that you could plan for at least 3 years, tax breaks, and put the Economy, rather than the Foreign Policy Measurement in the forefront, as a priority, then yes .. there will be investments, IMHO
  • The black
    The black 2 March 2016 08: 52 New
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    More worried about the question of why American and European debt securities are being bought at low interest rates, because the same funds could have been placed in Russia, large companies need funds that they received and receive from abroad at a higher interest rate than Russia "welds" with debt securities .. That is, the Russian government stupidly sponsors foreign governments and banks.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 March 2016 08: 54 New
      +9
      More concerned with the question, why are American and European debt securities bought at low interest rates?


      Kudrinskaya policy prevails in this matter ...
      and I don’t understand what is the point of this stupid undertaking.
      1. vadson
        vadson 2 March 2016 09: 16 New
        +2
        While there was a world of friendship, chewing gum with the West was not afraid to invest, they say here our bankers and Paris can lubricate skis, and there they say you can ask at the state level, right now there is no faith either to the west or local bankers, here Putin buys gold, watch the news from the Central Bank closes banks in batches, they only manage to cut loans and go bankrupt
    2. Flinky
      Flinky 2 March 2016 09: 05 New
      +1
      Don't wake up smartly while it's quiet. We need to re-equip the army, and for this we need to gain time - and it is better to let the "partners" sleep and not twitch.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 2 March 2016 11: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Flinky
        We need to re-equip the army, and for this we need to gain time - and it is better to let the "partners" sleep and not twitch.

        Some kind of fools appeared right in front of my eyes across the ocean))) they don’t know anything, they don’t hear, they don’t see, all the agents were dismissed, etc., isn’t it funny?
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 09: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Black
      More concerned with the question, why are American and European debt securities bought at low interest rates?

      In 2015, the Russian Federation invested 20 lard raccoons in Amerov papers of the Russian Federation.
      the president did not know. request
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 2 March 2016 11: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        In 2015, the Russian Federation invested 20 lard raccoons in Amerov papers of the Russian Federation.
        the president did not know.

        Invested to wrap these 20 billion in rubles at the Central Bank rate.
        The Central Bank can print as many rubles as there are gold reserves in the country, calculated at the ruble / dollar exchange rate.
        And gold reserves are 11-15% of gold, the rest is dollars and US bonds.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 11: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: chikenous59
          Invested to wrap these 20 billion in rubles at the Central Bank rate.
          The Central Bank can print as many rubles as there are gold reserves in the country, calculated at the ruble / dollar exchange rate.
          And gold reserves are 11-15% of gold, the rest is dollars and US bonds.

          look for enlightenment
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 2 March 2016 11: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            look for enlightenment

            Judging by the title, you want to show me a video that tells the same essence that I wrote in the comment above)
    4. a-cola
      a-cola 2 March 2016 09: 33 New
      0
      And what about the state budget? This is exactly the placement of money within the country! What about the state defense order, for example? This money is directly spent on the development of industry. So now spending on the development of the country is not so little, as it seems to me. Of course I would like more, there is never a lot of money. But the purchase of foreign securities is to some extent also the purchase of the loyalty of Western "partners". Otherwise, it's not exactly an hour when we will sell them back to them!)))
    5. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 2 March 2016 12: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Black
      The Russian government stupidly sponsors foreign governments and banks.

      The allegedly low percentage of such investments is compensated by "exceptional" reliability.
    6. Al1977
      Al1977 2 March 2016 13: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Black
      More worried about the question of why American and European debt securities are being bought at low interest rates, because the same funds could have been placed in Russia, large companies need funds that they received and receive from abroad at a higher interest rate than Russia "welds" with debt securities .. That is, the Russian government stupidly sponsors foreign governments and banks.

      Maybe because the people believe that everything that the President does is good? Maybe because any opposition to the president’s opinion is the enemy of the people? As an option.
    7. Al1977
      Al1977 2 March 2016 13: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Black
      More worried about the question of why American and European debt securities are being bought at low interest rates, because the same funds could have been placed in Russia, large companies need funds that they received and receive from abroad at a higher interest rate than Russia "welds" with debt securities .. That is, the Russian government stupidly sponsors foreign governments and banks.

      Maybe because the people believe that everything that the President does is good? Maybe because any opposition to the president’s opinion is the enemy of the people? As an option.
    8. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 2 March 2016 13: 41 New
      +1
      Black RU  Today, 08:52 AM
      More concerned with the question, why are American and European debt securities bought at low interest rates? After all, the same funds could be placed in Russia ... That is, the Russian government stupidly sponsors foreign governments and banks.

      Answer your question: why is Russia building a bridge to the Crimea? Arrange with Ukraine and ride through them.
      So it is with finances. If you entered the global financial system (with a center in the USA), then you can ride, only by its rules. Do not want to create your own ...
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  • alex74nur
    alex74nur 2 March 2016 09: 02 New
    +2
    There is only one conclusion from what has been read: PUTIN is to blame for all the problems of the world.
    Do all these Western analysts and correspondents themselves believe in what they write? Or does the flight of unbridled fantasy continue?
  • Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 2 March 2016 09: 04 New
    +1
    Plus, the economy is falling, and this money is actually frozen and spent very little, and do not go to loans to enterprises, to the needs of education, the development of science. And just freeze. This is a blatant mistake.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 09: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: BlackMokona
      . This is a blatant mistake.

      this is malicious intent.
    2. karbine
      karbine 2 March 2016 22: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: BlackMokona
      and this money is actually frozen and spent very little, and do not go to loans to enterprises, to the needs of education, the development of science. And just freeze.

      Yes, you must have reserves. But in reasonable size. Today, gold reserves are about 2 times higher than the IMF standards. This half just freezes completely in vain and pointless.
  • guzik007
    guzik007 2 March 2016 09: 04 New
    +5
    as there is a genius: ... there the king Kashchei languishes over gold ...
    There are two options, and both gloomy for the common people.
    Or stupidly save up (no matter what happens), without investing in our own economy.
    Or Uncle Vova decided to play in the world casino, hoping to fill up the main player (here again we have teeth on the shelf)
    I remember Uncle Lenya. He without any frills just stupidly fed all the natives at the expense of the people, hoping to acquire political bonuses to the dilapidated idea. But without much risk.
    And the casino, it’s like that, you know, there were a lot of players there, but not much left.
    Maybe enough experiments already. Maybe it's time to put your own farmstead in order. The fence there, which has become dilapidated to fix, the stove has lost weight, smokes. Again, it’s time to change the cow, soon we will remain without milk. But how many things does a prudent landlord do?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 March 2016 10: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: guzik007
      There are two options and both gloomy for the common people ...

      And the third option: you just don’t understand something.

      Such that - is not considered?
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 2 March 2016 11: 12 New
        +2
        Such that - is not considered?
        -------------------------------
        I will gladly review your version. Sincerely.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 March 2016 11: 44 New
          -3
          Quote: guzik007
          I will consider your version

          Well, if very briefly:

          - save up, but not spend - it will be useful in the future (pah-pah-pah) exacerbation of the situation. With the same Turkey, for example (once again - pah three times). Anyway - a pocket pocket .. well, you know yes
          - For exporters, the exchange rate is profitable
          - the importers are in shock .. I feel sorry for them, of course, but there is such a moment:

          Quote: armored optimist
          In the domestic market, competition conditions with imported goods are also improving. For example, we are now expanding at an accelerated pace for a small children's clothing factory in Rostov. Two co-owners of the enterprise sigh - there is a problem with fabrics, but no problems with sales. Price has become competitive with respect to imports; quality is ensured by

          And this is just what lies on the surface request
          1. guzik007
            guzik007 2 March 2016 11: 55 New
            0
            - saving, but not spending -
            ------------------------------
            So after all, how much was already accumulated in foreign papers, investing crumbs in their own development.
            At the same time, Kudrin was fiercely criticized. Kudrin, no, the course is the same. Don't you find it strange at least? In besieged Leningrad, a loaf of bread on the black market was bought for family jewels. This is to the relativity of accumulations.
            ----------------
            - For exporters, the exchange rate is profitable
            ---------------------------
            And this, excuse me, what side to this topic?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 March 2016 12: 15 New
              0
              Quote: guzik007
              So after all, how much has already been accumulated in foreign papers

              Now, too, are we saving only in "foreign papers"? belay No dirt fellow

              Quote: guzik007
              Kudrina no-course the same

              Yah? What is the "old", in your opinion? belay

              Quote: guzik007
              In besieged Leningrad, a loaf of bread on the black market was bought for family jewels. This is to the relativity of accumulations.

              Personal savings. Not related to state savings ..

              Let me remind you where to start:

              Quote: guzik007
              Or stupidly save up (no matter what happens), without investing in our own economy.
              Or Uncle Vova decided to play in the world casino, hoping to fill up the main player (here again we have teeth on the shelf)


              I told you that there may be a third (and fourth, ...) option (s) that you do not see

              Quote: guzik007
              - For exporters, the exchange rate is profitable
              ---------------------------
              And this, excuse me, what side to this topic?

              So .. low rate (submission from the article) is beneficial to the economy. In the whole economy.

              And I still had there, besides the exporters, something else. You prefer not to notice, sadness ..

              Troll-sir, "banned revolt" (I, incidentally, too .. "from the ban", if that drinks )

              wink
              1. guzik007
                guzik007 2 March 2016 12: 22 New
                +1
                Troll-sir, "Ban Risen"
                ------------------------------
                Well, they couldn’t resist, they hung a label, ah yayai: =) In your opinion, the expression of an opinion different from yours-trolling? It's just that I’m a well-informed optimist in life: = (. Broken, you know: =))
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 2 March 2016 12: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: guzik007
                  Troll-sir, "Ban Risen"
                  ------------------------------
                  Well, they couldn’t resist, they hung a label, ah yayai: =) In your opinion, the expression of an opinion different from yours-trolling? It's just that I’m a well-informed optimist in life: = (. Broken, you know: =))

                  Nope ..

                  - You do not answer questions, but ask new ones
                  - You do not notice in the opponent’s messages that you ... say, it’s not very convenient

                  These are signs of trolling, as I noted. Nothing personal request

                  Quote: guzik007
                  It's just that I’m a well-informed optimist in life: = (Broken, you know)

                  Similar garbage (this is me to myself, in the sense) yes
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 2 March 2016 11: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Such that - is not considered?

        Intrigued kotyara))) Do you at least like a Chukchi hand wave in which direction to swim))
    2. karbine
      karbine 2 March 2016 22: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: guzik007
      He without any frills just stupidly fed all the natives at the expense of the people,

      They held for this. Anglo-Saxons of the USSR. As soon as oil prices fell and reserves were consumed, feeding of the Holodtrans ended. And the need for the USSR disappeared. Then you know.
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  • emercom1979
    emercom1979 2 March 2016 09: 08 New
    +7
    The logic seems to be visible. In the event of a war or other cataclysm, a stock of gold and currency will help support the economy through foreign purchases. But why spread rot on their own production and their citizens? Why not develop targeted investment in efficient industries? Why not shorten the hands of bureaucrats and officials? Why not remove "effective managers" and leave competent business executives and managers?
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 2 March 2016 09: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: emercom1979
      The logic seems to be visible. In the event of war or another cataclysm, the supply of gold and currency will help support the economy through foreign procurement. But why bother spreading their own production and their citizens?

    2. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 2 March 2016 10: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: emercom1979
      ... But why spread rot on their own production and their citizens? Why not develop targeted investment in efficient industries? Why not shorten the hands of bureaucrats and officials? Why not remove "effective managers" and leave competent business executives and managers?

      You can't. The treaty, if memory serves, from 1976 and others, subordinating the actions of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation not to the interests of the country, but to the notorious "world financial system".
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 March 2016 11: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: Pomoryanin
        The agreement, if memory does not change from 1976 and others, subordinating the actions of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation not to the interests of the country, but to the notorious "world financial system

        The contract is in the studio !! fellow

        I just dream of seeing, finally, a document "subordinating the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to the world behind the scenes" good
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 2 March 2016 12: 25 New
          +1
          I just dream of seeing, finally, a document "subordinating the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to the world behind the scenes"
          -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------
          Ay yayai cat! I’m ashamed to know not to know simple truths. Read the charter of the Central Bank. About his status and independence from government decisions. In general, I highly recommend that Starikov search. I trust you will be very interested.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 March 2016 12: 47 New
            -1
            Quote: guzik007
            Ay yayai cat! I’m ashamed to know not to know simple truths. Read the charter of the Central Bank. About his status and independence from government decisions

            Everything is right, so in the entire civilized world, otherwise it will be like in Zimbabwe - there the bank submits to the government and implements all its decisions as a result - 100t% of inflation and the Zimbabwean dollar as a currency no longer exists.
            The Central Bank (and not only in the Russian Federation) is the only one who stands behind the stability of the country's monetary system - governments in general are very fond of spending money, and with whom?
            Quote: guzik007
            In general, I highly recommend that Starikov search. I trust you will be very interested


            Another guru from economics.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 2 March 2016 14: 27 New
            0
            Quote: guzik007
            Read the charter of the Central Bank. About his status and independence from government decisions

            I read it already repeat

            Quote: guzik007
            I highly recommend Starikov

            Nafik-nafik ...

            I recommend that you look about National Finance Councilwhich this Central Bank literally holds for an Adam's apple ... from whom it is formed, functions, etc.

            This question on TopVar has been chewed already 100 ..

            And stop people to fool already yes
        2. Pomeranian
          Pomeranian 2 March 2016 13: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          The contract is in the studio !!

          Easy. Just wait a bit. I will enter the nearby Masonic society, get the highest degree, and then your original document ..
          Or: I’ll go to work in the Central Bank, I will become the deputy chairman and then ...
          But seriously, look for the relevant information yourself. It is even available on the Internet.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 2 March 2016 14: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Pomoryanin
            But seriously, then look for relevant information yourself. It is even available on the Internet.

            Nope-ee-politely ..

            Quote: Pomoryanin
            The agreement, if memory does not change from 1976 and others, subordinating the actions of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation not to the interests of the country, but to the notorious "world financial system"

            According to such data, you can search for carnages to Carotkin .. lingual You are our informed wink
    3. guzik007
      guzik007 2 March 2016 12: 01 New
      -1
      The logic seems to be visible. In the event of war or another cataclysm, the supply of gold and currency will help support the economy through foreign procurement.
      ----------------------------------------------------------
      What are you talking about? Who will sell it to us. It was during the Second World War that they were allies to us. Yes, and then they sucked in at exorbitant prices. And now, like Tsoi: the whole world will go to me.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 March 2016 12: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: guzik007
        the whole world will go to me

        But this, sorry schiz hardly .. songs are one thing, diplomacy (mother-mother-mother) is another, and money - it will always find use for itself yes
  • Achilles
    Achilles 2 March 2016 09: 12 New
    +1
    Moscow successfully implements the strategy for the collapse of the European Union. This is written in the newspaper "Die Zeit" Florian Gasser.


    It’s somehow strange to hear why they don’t write, even before the start of the Russian operation in Syria, Europe was already filled with migrants, this only one can mean that we did not contribute to the beginning of the collapse of Europe, but that means there are other forces that want the collapse of Europe and Western journalists prefer to keep silent about these elementary things
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 2 March 2016 09: 19 New
    +1
    To save money, not spend, you need the will and determination. Properly invested, you need wisdom and a vision of perspective. That's when such a vision appears in the heads of our leaders, then we will begin to rise.
  • Riv
    Riv 2 March 2016 09: 29 New
    +2
    Diving, diving ... :)
    We’ll repair the first block (they gave us a stop for three days) and we’ll continue to dive.
  • Saffron
    Saffron 2 March 2016 09: 30 New
    0
    We see only that on the surface. And the real game is visible only to the initiates. But if you are perplexed abroad, then everything is going right, not according to their plans.
  • Geosun
    Geosun 2 March 2016 09: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: armored optimist
    If we now abandon the agreement with the IMF and print some money, then it would be possible, and despite some acceleration due to inflation, to more successfully stimulate economic growth

    This is a vicious circle, not a single bank will give a loan cheaper than inflation, otherwise it will go bankrupt. As soon as money is printed, inflation will immediately increase, and accordingly, interest rates on loans and so on in a circle will increase.
    1. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 2 March 2016 09: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Geosun
      no bank will give a loan cheaper than inflation

      Compare the percentage at which Sberbank gives the RF money in the European Union and within the country. Here's the main reason for inflation: unrealistically high bank interest.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 2 March 2016 19: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: Pomoryanin
        Here is the main reason for inflation: unrealistically high bank interest.

        As if in the European Union, the national currency is provided with commodity filling, hence they have lower inflation, in the Russian Federation with commodity production and currency filling they are not so good, hence inflation is greater
  • Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 2 March 2016 09: 56 New
    +1
    Funny article, but I will not put an assessment. For one simple reason: the Russian financial system is absolutely not independent and all the enthusiasm for the increase in the gold reserves of the Russian Federation is just nothing supported by emotions. The country and 99,99999% of the population are neither cold nor hot. Interestingly, does the author even know that the Russian Federation does not have the right to have more rubles than there are gold reserves? If the Central Bank of the Russian Federation had the opportunity to pursue an independent credit-issuing policy, Russia really with a talented, unpretentious people and its resources would occupy one of the leading places in terms of living standards and economic development in the world. However, there is also not a single independent and absolutely independent system in the world, the only difference is the degree of freedom within a limited framework. In the 20 century, only two countries tried to break the vicious circle: the USSR and Nazi Germany. The result is obvious.
  • Belousov
    Belousov 2 March 2016 10: 03 New
    +4
    Even Western journalists were infected with the HPP virus fool
    Instead of investing in its own economy, medicine, education, industry, our government prefers to buy American cut paper with the wording "this is a reliable and profitable investment." And do not care that this is a very likely enemy and do not care that you need to deal with your problems. Instead, they can only raise and cut excise taxes on medicine. And Putin is pleased with such an anti-Russian and anti-Russian policy of the government appointed by him.
  • Dimal777
    Dimal777 2 March 2016 10: 08 New
    +5
    You know, I personally hear the second year already - this is Putin’s cunning plan, starting from Ukraine. I don’t understand what one can be proud of - having shifted the entire burden of sanctions and low oil prices on the people, stupidly lowering their currency more than anyone else in the world. This is genius!!! but why does it feel like we're getting bigger in f ***. And we will raise gas prices for the people and we will tell how beneficial it is for people (certain only) - nobody says that these two rubles will drive inflation into food! Rejoice, we have more gold!
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 2 March 2016 10: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Dimal777
      I don’t understand what one can be proud of - having shifted the entire burden of sanctions and low oil prices on the people

      Oh oh Have you heard about the cries of our oil industry workers?
      Quote: Dimal777
      stupidly dropping his currency more than anyone else in the world.

      Didn’t you mess up the country? wink Maybe after all you have a currency there 3,5 times ... let's say it fell repeat ? and soon you will live to a factor of 4 yes
      HSE finished? love
      1. Dimal777
        Dimal777 2 March 2016 11: 05 New
        +2
        Yelling, I heard, I also heard about the increase in payments to the management of Gazprom, Rosneft compared to 2014.
        I did not confuse the country - we have the two most depreciating currencies - the hryvnia and the ruble. I am from the Crimea - I don’t know why I don’t have a tricolor in my profile.
        Yes, I'm a financier.
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 2 March 2016 14: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Dimal777
          I am a financier.

          And education got VNA Ukrin means what There is a harrrosh school of financiers. lol ...Clear yes . I have no more questions hi .
  • Stinger
    Stinger 2 March 2016 10: 16 New
    0
    Interestingly, does the author even know that the Russian Federation does not have the right to have more rubles than there are gold reserves?

    How is this determined? I don’t know either.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 2 March 2016 10: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Stinger
      Interestingly, does the author even know that the Russian Federation does not have the right to have more rubles than there are gold reserves?

      How is this determined? I don’t know either.

      In 1990, Yeltsin signed such a law on the Central Bank.
      Federal Law of 02.12.1990 No. 394-1
      1. Stinger
        Stinger 2 March 2016 12: 57 New
        +1
        Got it. Thank.
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      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 March 2016 17: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: chikenous59
        In 1990, Yeltsin signed such a law on the Central Bank.
        Federal Law of 02.12.1990 No. 394-1

        LAW OF THE RSFSR FROM 02.12.90 N 394-1 ON THE CENTRAL BANK OF THE RSFSR (BANK OF RUSSIA) (FIRST EDITION)

        http://www.lawrussia.ru/texts/legal_178/doc17a990x252.htm

        There is no such restriction ..

        But this is the current one:

        RUSSIAN FEDERATION FEDERAL LAW ON THE CENTRAL BANK OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION (BANK OF RUSSIA)

        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_32/

        And there too - no belay

        Do not clarify? request
  • sa-zz
    sa-zz 2 March 2016 10: 21 New
    +1
    Journalist John Vinocur writes ... the Dutch intend to kick Ukraine.
    In fact, such an answer would express “contempt” for the European Union. Moreover, the “against” votes will allow us to say ....... it will look like a state that wants to follow the path of “appeasing Vladimir Putin”.
    Idiotic logic: Let's take ukrokamen on our neck so as not to "appease" Putin or the Russian Federation.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 2 March 2016 10: 28 New
    0
    Putin's Gold
    In the early 90s it was very popular to discuss where the "party gold" went. Now it means "Putin's gold" is in trend.
  • Brashkin
    Brashkin 2 March 2016 10: 45 New
    +3
    "The authors of Bloobmerg believe: ..... that gold and currency represent the best guarantee of Russia's financial independence."
    This is from the series "It's not the ruble that is falling, but the dollar is growing" (Nabiulina), we will definitely succeed :))
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 March 2016 10: 46 New
    0
    I'm not an economist, I'm a philistine. This is probably why I liked the article. Especially this "the Russian economy is plunging into the abyss, so why is Putin smiling?" ("Why Is Putin Smiling?") "(C) He keeps silent, he cuts everyone, smiles, all soothing handfuls are eaten. winked It is time for the transcordon manufacturers of sedatives to chip in and cast a bronze monument to the smiling GDP. PS: I don't like the fact that "the Russian economy is sinking into the abyss ..."
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 2 March 2016 12: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Captive
      so why is Putin smiling

      Maybe they did the plastic unsuccessfully, or botax pumped? )))
  • weksha50
    weksha50 2 March 2016 10: 53 New
    +1
    "The West has already come to terms with the order that Putin has established in the world .... Moscow is succeeding in the collapse of the EU ..."...

    These phrases are like oil for the soul ... However, one should not really believe in the words of Western journalists, not everything is so smooth in this world ... In reality, we should be ready for much bigger problems than those that exist today. ..
  • weksha50
    weksha50 2 March 2016 11: 02 New
    0
    " as of February 19, 2016, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation had $ 379 billion in reserves (foreign currency + gold). Journalists were not too lazy to calculate: this amount is 29 billion more than the amountstored in the Central Bank in April last year "...

    Hmm ... the news is good ...

    Then why last week Siluanov announced loudly that there would not be enough gold and currency reserves available to Russia until the end of 2016 ???

    Who does not own the situation - the minister or the journalist ???

    PS It seems to me that - most likely - the minister ...
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 March 2016 11: 16 New
    +2
    The price of gold fluctuates and is measured in dollars.

    The cost of 1 kg of gold is about 50 thousand dollars.
    The cost of 1 ton of gold is approximately $ 50 million.

    Russia has approximately 1400 tons of gold. Which is equivalent
    a reserve of $ 70 billion.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 2 March 2016 12: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russia has approximately 1400 tons of gold.

      Count it - the whole country is mona to insert their gold teeth ... gypsies die of envy laughing
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 2 March 2016 12: 37 New
        0
        Okay, gypsies, and "these same" where will they go?
  • koshmarik
    koshmarik 2 March 2016 11: 23 New
    +4
    If the EU falls apart, and most likely it will (not tomorrow, of course), then not so much as a result of Russia's actions, but because of objective socio-economic laws. Even Lenin wrote about the impossibility of the continued existence of the United States of Europe.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 2 March 2016 11: 42 New
    +1
    The ruins of the European Union will be pleased ...
    1. karbine
      karbine 2 March 2016 23: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      The ruins of the European Union will be pleased ...

      The ruins of the European Union will not be able to continue paying for products and raw materials at the prices at which they are paying now. And then all of this they will need less. And today it is more than half of the foreign exchange earnings of the Russian Federation. What money do you plan to buy tablets for pharmacies with? Did not think about it? Think about it.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 March 2016 12: 07 New
    +1
    "promoting Putin on all fronts, including the domestic Russian,
    where the president is supposed to have given the command to accumulate gold and dollars "////

    If you accumulate gold and dollars, you will have to sharply devalue the ruble,
    to tailor the budget (to gain more rubles for oil).
    Otherwise, military orders that are "in rubles" will be frozen.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 2 March 2016 12: 16 New
    +2
    Anecdote on the topic. "I have a salary of 18 thousand rubles, and Stas Mikhailov has 18 million. But I am not upset, because, .. (mat) ... everything for me, sunrises and fogs, for me the seas and oceans, for me flower meadows, for meeeeeeee ".
    And further. "America consumes 40% of the world's resources. This means that at your family table sits, not getting out, and insolently eats almost half of the American ..."
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 2 March 2016 12: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Anecdote on the topic. "I have a salary of 18 thousand rubles, and Stas Mikhailov has 18 million. But I am not upset, because, .. (mat) ... everything for me, sunrises and fogs, for me the seas and oceans, for me flower meadows, for meeeeeeee ".

      And it also follows from the joke that you two have an average salary of 9 rubles))
  • ruAlex
    ruAlex 2 March 2016 13: 32 New
    -1
    Russia and Putin rule, fear capital laughing
  • _my opinion
    _my opinion 2 March 2016 13: 40 New
    +2
    Western observers are perplexed: Russia plunged into a deep recession, even the deepest in the last two decades ...

    to see these threaders were not with us in the 90s, in the second half of it
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 2 March 2016 13: 44 New
    +3
    I don’t know how Putin is with a medical specialist, but I don’t even need an ugly scumbag at the table !!! And for the geyropu and geymeriku ugh, let everyone rest there.
    I am interested in severe stability in the homeland.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 2 March 2016 14: 16 New
    0
    we are all waiting, waiting, the belts are getting tighter and tighter, and when will it come this bright future for Russia
  • Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 2 March 2016 14: 38 New
    +1
    Putin's gold ... And where does Europe? Russia takes care of itself. There are suspicions that Russia, China, and Kazakhstan, which joined them, which have significantly increased gold reserves, are preparing an attack on the dollar. And Europe, as a faithful mongrel of the States, cannot yet understand what is happening and why.
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 2 March 2016 14: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Alex von Dorn
    Putin's gold ... And where does Europe? Russia takes care of itself. There are suspicions that Russia, China, and Kazakhstan, which joined them, which have significantly increased gold reserves, are preparing an attack on the dollar. And Europe, as a faithful mongrel of the States, cannot yet understand what is happening and why.

    You understand, but the best financiers of Europe are not ..)) sad
  • Mark68
    Mark68 2 March 2016 18: 55 New
    +2
    Russia plunged into a deep recession, even the deepest in the last two decades

    Let them first look at the change in Russia's GDP, and then they will say so. This applies to everyone who talks about lost years.
    1. Mark68
      Mark68 3 March 2016 11: 25 New
      0
      Or in comparison with other countries ...
  • Fat
    Fat 2 March 2016 19: 01 New
    0
    I fall into a stupor from the unfolding discussion. Questions arise: 1. Are natural hydrocarbon reserves an indicator of wealth? 2. Stocks of metals (not ores, but metals) - an indicator of wealth? 3. People (I mean their knowledge and skills) - an indicator of wealth? 4. Information (knowledge and skills that are transmitted using material carriers, not people) - an indicator of wealth? If yes then "measure" (standard) where?
  • NordUral
    NordUral 2 March 2016 19: 24 New
    +1
    “The Central Bank is ready to tolerate any volatility of the course, just not to spend reserves,” says Oleg Kuzmin, an economist at Renaissance Capital.
    And the people?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 March 2016 22: 45 New
      -2
      But the people have nowhere to go, they will have to endure, until the economy stabilizes.
  • Governor
    Governor 2 March 2016 19: 42 New
    -1
    Quote: Mark68
    Russia plunged into a deep recession, even the deepest in the last two decades

    Let them first look at the change in Russia's GDP, and then they will say so. This applies to everyone who talks about lost years.


    Oh, this is a nice comparison with the 90s ... I really love him. It’s like saying: look, this guy got out of the pit with slops, now he stands on the ground, well done. Well done, of course, but he was sitting in a PIT! He did not fly out of her on a jetpack, grows numb ... He crawled out of her and soon fell into her again. Because he stayed on the edge of this pit and did not crawl away from it!
    Is the analogy clear?
    1. bk316
      bk316 2 March 2016 20: 54 New
      +2
      Beautifully said, but
      Quote: Governor
      and soon it will fall again.

      So far this is your speculation and nothing more.
      And pay attention already said it in 2009. It did not work out.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 March 2016 20: 47 New
    0
    The inefficiency of the economic bloc of the government of the Russian Federation is prohibitive. Budget problems are solved by decent people receiving a salary in RUBLES for their LABOR. If you believe Siluanov, then the biggest parasites are pensioners. Their number suggests reducing arithmetically increasing the retirement age. The budget is formed mainly due to income tax and the sale of subsoil products (PEOPLE'S WORKS). Crooks of all calibers, fixing assets in non-presidents, yell at the verbal attempt on the virgin tradition of not paying adequate taxes.
    Comrade Makhmut's formulations are too harsh, but in fact they are correct ... The hysteria of Western journalists about the "genius" of the Kremlin's plans has no grounds ... unfortunately ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 March 2016 22: 57 New
      0
      Our budgets are formed from the following taxes -
      Federal taxes: corporate income tax; VAT; tax on foreign economic activity; excise taxes

      Republican taxes: forest tax; property tax production, real estate, gambling

      Local taxes: land tax, FL property, advertising, inheritance and gift, local license fees

      Direct (taxes that are exempted from the income of legal entities and individuals) - tax on profits of legal entities; capital gains tax; excess profit tax.

      Indirect (taxes that focus on expenses): excise taxes; fiscal monopoly taxes; customs duties.

      Contributions to social insurance funds: pension fund; social insurance fund; employment fund; health insurance fund.

      And the expenses themselves of the budget of the Russian Federation for 2016. According to the project approved in December 2015 for 2016, the main items of expenditures of the federal budget.

      Social policy - 4 billion rubles. (459,0%)
      National Defense - 3 billion rubles. (091,0%)
      National economy - 2 560,0 billion rubles. (15,9%)
      National Security and Law Enforcement - 2 billion rubles. (045,0%)
      National issues (administration) - 1 billion rubles. (159,0%)
      Inter-budget transfers - 676,0 billion rubles. (4,2%)
      Debt servicing - 660,0 billion rubles. (4,1%)
      Education - 580,0 billion rubles. (3,6%)
      Healthcare - 483,0 billion rubles. (3,0%)
      Culture, cinematography - 97,0 billion rubles. (0,6%)
      Housing and communal services - 80,0 billion rubles. (0,5%)
      Media - 80,0 billion rubles. (0,5%)
      Physical education, sports - 64,0 billion rubles. (0,4%)
      Environmental protection - 64,0 billion rubles. (0,4%)
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 March 2016 23: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      The hysteria of Western journalists about the "genius" of the Kremlin's plans has no grounds ... unfortunately ..

      And then where does this hysteria come from? If for us everything is so bad, then for them, everything is good, then?

      Where is the hysteria? what
  • Grave of B. Cross2
    Grave of B. Cross2 2 March 2016 21: 03 New
    0
    The shittier the people are, the more shitty jelly they give. "cunning plan" "genius" "greatness" "getting off his knees" "others are doing badly, but we are just doing great!" At the same time, Putin is buying American papers with might and main. Billions of dollars. This is how we are at war with America. "cunning plan" Toss them with our money. Let them all die of gluttony and satiety. And we will win! Of course, we will win with the oligarchy! good
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 March 2016 23: 05 New
      -1
      If American papers can bring quick profits that they don’t invest, money is already needed for this, and Russia’s contribution - $ 92 billion to the US economy, is quite meager compared to China - $ 3,5 trillion.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 March 2016 23: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Grave of B. Cross2
      Putin is buying American papers with might and main. For billions of dollars. This is how we fight with America

      (Bored-u-scholarly voice):

      - in order to buy a thread for a rub-hedgehog, you need bucks
      - such a need may arise now .. in an hour .. or in a month, for example
      - you can keep the money directly in bucks. Then by the time of payment, she will not lose weight, but will not get fat
      - and you can invest money in the treasury .. then by the time of payment it is a little (but guaranteed) getting fatter ..

      That's all. And all the devils seem to you stop

      PS: Grave Without a Cross is not your relative, an hour? wink
  • Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 2 March 2016 22: 48 New
    -4
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Mahmut
    I see no reason for joy in the fact that the Central Bank is buying waste paper with budget money. Dude Olegin swam a little on the basis of turbopod.

    I was absolutely sure of this and half a year ago I wrote that Putin would not spend reserves either on the economy or on maintaining the ruble.
    Putin is a child of the war time and poverty of the USSR.
    For his generation and partly ours - it sits in the brain, you cannot remain without a nest egg.
    It's just that GDP has not moved away from this poverty syndrome and believes that its understanding is an understanding of the global economy.
    With such a policy, you can safely die in poverty with a bag of money under the mattress.
    Sense to build up reserves, if industry needs money? If you need to invest in the country?
    Complete nonsense.
    Crawl out the people as you want, we will increase taxes (to fill the cap even more - notice dollars, more precisely not a dollar and Fed bonds - dollars will go to the US economy)
    GDP understands the economy at the level of one family, and the whole problem is, who will object to it? Therefore, all this for a long time.

    It’s hard not to agree. Putin's time is passing. Need a different leader
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      Cat man null 2 March 2016 23: 24 New
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      Quote: Nirvanko
      Putin's time is passing. Need a different leader

      Obama & Company also thinks so ... ek you, my dear, got carried away .. what
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    Russia 3 March 2016 08: 24 New
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    After all, Moscow is successfully implementing a strategy for the collapse of the European Union. This is written in the newspaper "Die Zeit" Florian Gasser.

    Gasser, Moscow simply does not prevent the European Union from falling apart on its own! Your politicians will do everything themselves, and the "boss" will help them out of a puddle.