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Papua New Guinea: The Clash of Civilizations

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Many people admire the popular Star Wars series, arguing their admiration for the fact that in the film you can show the struggle of completely different civilizations, intergalactic battles and other imaginary tinsel of near-science fiction. But in our small and native Earth all conflicts occur between more or less similar armies. And indeed, in many respects this thesis has the right to exist. Now, after the collapse of the colonial empires, almost all conflicts have been reduced to confrontation between neighboring states, the differences between which can be found only if you look very well.


Even the crisis in the Donbass is not a classic example of ideological opposition. It is rather a civil conflict, the causes of which are differences of the parties in the understanding of the political and historical vector of the Ukrainian movement. If you slightly retouch these contradictions, then between the warring parties instantly come peace and friendship, pre-glued chewing gum.

Of course, it can be noted and the military operations of the NATO countries (and more recently, the RF AF) in the countries of the Middle East. There, the differences between the opponents are colossal. And in the cultural and religious, and even in all sorts of different ways. But is it worth discussing the geopolitical ambitions of the world superpowers, who decided to start a mediated war among themselves, using various Middle Eastern forces as puppets, who don’t feed them with bread, but let them shake weapons? Everybody knows about the ongoing wars in the Middle East, and once again raising this razed topic is completely inappropriate.

But few know about another conflict, in the roots of which are indelible ideological, ideological, cultural contradictions. This is a conflict of different religions, different races, in the end, different continents. The warring parties have a completely different attitude to almost all life issues.

This is the struggle of the people of Papua New Guinea for liberation from the Indonesian occupation. The fight, doomed to defeat for the banal reason for the overwhelming superiority of official Jakarta in the military-technical respect.

Papua New Guinea: The Clash of Civilizations


It all started back in those distant times, when European countries imagined themselves to be masters of the world and divided the entire globe into spheres of influence, making all countries unable to repulse Europeans adequately with their colonies. But, as you know, there will not be enough colonies for all of them, and therefore the Western European countries have launched a fierce struggle among themselves for the right to own a particular territory.

The most successful in this dispute were the British, the French, and the Spaniards and the Portuguese. The most tidbits got them. The rest had to colonize at least something. In particular, the Netherlands made its possessions a vast territory in Southeast Asia, including the islands of Indonesia, and the western part of the island of Papua - New Guinea.

And when after the Second World War, the colonial empires began to disintegrate, the Indonesians showed unheard-of arrogance and not only gained independence from Amsterdam, but also demanded ownership of the above-mentioned Papuan territory. Everybody was against such a deal. Both the Dutch and the people of West Papua themselves. But the fact remains that in May 1963, the control over the western part of the island was completely transferred to Indonesia by a UN decision.

The local authorities called the newly acquired territory a province of West Irian, and on this история could be completed if it were not for one “but”.



Well, there is no Papuan and Melanesian nationalities inhabiting Papua - New Guinea, nothing to do with the Indonesian invaders. Nothing from the word "absolutely." Indonesians are the most typical Asians with their frantic patriarchy, with their devil-may-care attitude to human life, with their derogatory attitudes towards women, with their fanatical understanding of the norms of Islam and with other age-old Asian flaws.

And the population of West Papua - these are typical inhabitants of Oceania, with all the consequences. I’m not going to idealize the social life of the Papuans at all (like any nation, there are problematic moments, in particularly difficult cases involving cannibalism), but on the whole, the life of the Papuans seems much more humane.

Therefore, there is nothing surprising in the attempts of the people of West Papua to find freedom.

Since 1965, the Papuan guerrillas have been waging a national liberation war to create their own statehood. And merging with the eastern part of the island, which in the 1975 year gained independence from Australia and currently lives in complete harmony with the former metropolis, receiving free humanitarian aid from Canberra for the development of the tourism sector and other sectors of the economy.

But, as already reported, the Papuans do not have a single chance in the fight against a well-armed and trained Indonesian army. Moreover, the Indonesian army is not only well armed, but also determined to fight the rebels, regardless of the consequences. Often there were times when the All-Russian Air Force bombed the territory of West Papua with heavy artillery and aviation. And these bombings led to mass casualties among the civilian population. In total, at least one hundred thousand people died from the beginning of the conflict.



You will ask: why does the “democratic” world community not interfere in this tragedy? Why only people interested in history know about this ideological war? The answer is quite simple: West Papua is extremely rich in natural resources and minerals. Indonesians quietly trade with the whole world wood, copper, ore, exported from the occupied territories. And if the people of Papua gained independence, it is far from a fact that they allowed them to squander their natural heritage in this way. That is why any punitive operations of Indonesians are ignored.



Fix the situation is almost impossible. To do this, the whole world needs to pay attention to the conflict of civilizations that takes place on a distant Pacific island. And I did not look for these conflicts in Star Wars.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 05: 56 New
    -2
    damn ... in our country everything is so wonderful that it's time to take care of the Papuans ...
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 3 March 2016 06: 10 New
      13
      ? The answer is quite simple: West Papua is extremely rich in natural resources and minerals. Indonesians quietly trade with the whole world wood, copper, ore, exported from the occupied territories. And if the people of Papua gained independence, it is far from a fact that they were allowed to squander their natural heritage in this way.

      I think the analogy with Avatar is more appropriate ...
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 March 2016 06: 16 New
      -7
      But God knows him. Maybe this is interesting to us. Create a Muslim republic near the United States and flood refugees from Asia, the same Muslims.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 07: 02 New
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        Mavrikiy, are you talking about Papua New Guinea? That something happened to me because of the geographic cognitive dissonance ... belay
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 3 March 2016 07: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Mavrikiy, are you talking about Papua New Guinea? That something happened to me because of the geographic cognitive dissonance ...

          request good Yurich I read the second comm - well, you don’t really care about the clashes of civilizations and the fate of the Papuans N. Guinea)))))) By the way, they still have pigs dying out there - they only have flu roofing felts ... that's the real problem, not the price of gas the rest))))))))
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 07: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            they still have pigs dying out there - toli flu toli that ..
            belay come on...! that's the trouble ... can Onishchenko send there? how is humanitarian aid? what
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 3 March 2016 07: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              can Onishchenko send there

              Like a link to him, recently just a bear scolded that he was talking a lot ....
              By the way - I was once onischen children)) so got that he hung on a dartboard lol
        2. andj61
          andj61 3 March 2016 07: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Mavrikiy, are you talking about Papua New Guinea? That something happened to me because of the geographic cognitive dissonance ... belay

          Here, as for the article, the same dissonance happens ... request
          I’m not at all going to idealize the social life of the Papuans (like any people, there are problematic issues here, in particularly difficult cases, which include addiction to cannibalism), but in general, the life of the Papuans seems much more humane.

          In short - these Papuans eat people, the author says, but in general they are all humanistic from themselves ... laughing And who is the humanist? what That's right, the one who loves people! fellow Even if he loves in gastronomic terms! wink
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 3 March 2016 07: 54 New
            -1
            Quote: andj61
            And who is the humanist? what That's right, the one who loves people! fellow Even if he loves in gastronomic terms! wink

            Muslims in Papua New Guinea began to get sick with specific diseases that hurt pigs and - people who become infected with pigs (by eating pork meat) ... Question - HOW do adherents of Islam who do not eat pork get infected? question and again - question ...
            1. gunn
              gunn 3 March 2016 12: 21 New
              +2
              Papuans are not Muslims, they have traditional beliefs and are partially christian.
              By the way, the article is clearly hearty, the author is not competent in ethnology, the Indonesians are multinational and multi-religious, there are more than 200 million of them and there are many Australoid peoples in addition to the Papuans; women, among the Papuans, who, as he writes, are more humane, women in general are in third place in the hierarchy of values ​​after men and sorry, pigs. In Indonesia, there are more than 200 large nations only, and Papuan peoples with completely different languages ​​and cultures are generally over 800
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 3 March 2016 16: 20 New
          +1
          Guilty, beguiled with Haiti.
      2. andj61
        andj61 3 March 2016 07: 40 New
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        Quote: Mavrikiy
        But God knows him. Maybe this is interesting to us. Create a Muslim republic near the United States and flood refugees from Asia, the same Muslims.

        So if you think so, then the United States has already created a bunch of Muslim republics "close by"! bully From Mauritania to Pakistan! They are no further than New Guinea from the United States, especially Mauritania. fellow
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 3 March 2016 06: 25 New
      +3
      damn ... in our country everything is so wonderful that it's time to take care of the Papuans ...


      smile And then ...
      even under the USSR there were political and military campaigns for the freedom of one or another people ...
      in the end, we were extreme.
      I made a simple conclusion ... before you get into someone else's fight you need to see if you need to get cuffs for no one knows why.
      In Syria, we at least know why we are helping Assad.
      Papuans feel sorry but they must win freedom for themselves ...
      no one on a silver platter will present it to them.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 06: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I made a simple conclusion ..

        I, too ... can’t be friends with the Slavs, we will be friends with the Papuans ... yes
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 3 March 2016 07: 19 New
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          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          make friends with the Papuans.

          Blacks in Africa-also nishtyak boys .... laughing
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 07: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            make friends with the Papuans.

            Blacks in Africa-also nishtyak boys .... laughing

            not ... they invented shitty rap, I just don't like them for that ...
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 3 March 2016 07: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              rap invented

              Not this is not the right blacks - a bit occulted by the Americans ... the right guys under the bongs and vuvuzela rod in life laughing
            2. Oorfene Deuce
              Oorfene Deuce 3 March 2016 11: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              not ... they invented shitty rap, I just don't like them for that ...

              And also jazz and blues ...
              And Austrians and Germans can be hated for Hitler, Amers for Obama, French for Napoleon, Italians for Mussolini, Georgians for Sahak, ukrov for Poroshenko, Jews ... just hate. Logic is such logic.
              And also gypsies ...
            3. gunn
              gunn 3 March 2016 12: 32 New
              0
              shit rap invented by american blacks
          2. andj61
            andj61 3 March 2016 07: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            make friends with the Papuans.

            Blacks in Africa-also nishtyak boys .... laughing

            good Your discussion resembles an old Soviet joke from the 70s: Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev is standing in front of the political map of the world and thinking: who else would you help? what
            hi
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 3 March 2016 07: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              Your discussion resembles an old Soviet joke and

              Nope, so we laugh so much at stupidity))))
      2. oxana_iv
        oxana_iv 3 March 2016 07: 04 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        damn ... in our country everything is so wonderful that it's time to take care of the Papuans ...


        smile And then ...
        even under the USSR there were political and military campaigns for the freedom of one or another people ...
        in the end, we were extreme.


        The Soviet Union in Asia and Africa did not engage in charity, but created a system of world cooperation, alternative to capitalist. And that was reasonable.
        In the modern world, to build a prosperous life behind a single fence (in the hut that is on the edge) still does not work.
        And although, of course, no one is waiting for Russia in Papua New Guinea, there are enough of their players there, the article is useful for a general understanding of the processes in the world.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 3 March 2016 07: 09 New
          -3
          created a system of world cooperation, alternative to capitalist.


          Yeah, there's a joke like that ...

          Brezhnev escorts a foreign politician at the airport. He kisses him goodbye for a long time, finally he flies away. Brezhnev soaks his eyes with a handkerchief. They say to him:
          - Well, what are you, Leonid Ilyich! As a politician, he means absolutely nothing!
          - As a politician, maybe it doesn’t mean ... But how he kisses!
          1. andj61
            andj61 3 March 2016 07: 50 New
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            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Well what are you, Leonid Ilyich! As a politician, he means absolutely nothing!
            - As a politician, maybe it doesn’t mean ... But how he kisses!

            I remember, I remember this joke ... Only there, this politician was a thick black man with huge lips from central Africa ...
            1. guzik007
              guzik007 3 March 2016 09: 52 New
              +1
              Only there, this politician was a thick black man with huge lips
              -----------------------------------------------------------------
              And he adored with these lips to devour the jare from humanity. Bokas was called: =)
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 07: 12 New
          +3
          [quote] [quote = oxana_iv] for a general understanding of the processes in the world, the article is useful [/ quote]. yes no more. otherwise we have some hyperpatriotic citizens here, and look at military bases, they will start building in Papua in their minds ...
  2. 72jora72
    72jora72 3 March 2016 06: 31 New
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    damn ... in our country everything is so wonderful that it's time to take care of the Papuans ...


    When they came for the socialists, I was silent - I was not a socialist.
    When they came for trade union activists, I was silent - I was not a member of the trade union.
    When they came for the Jews, I was silent - I was not a Jew.
    When they came for me, there was no one to intercede for me.
    ........ it is, for reflection
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 06: 37 New
      +3
      [quote = 72jora72] [quote] .. it is, for reflection [/ quote]
      As one smart man said, I don’t remember what his name was, and I already forgot what he said, but the thought was good ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 06: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: 72jora72
      When they came for me, there was no one to intercede for me.

      I understand ... the Papuans will intercede for us when they come for us ... fellow
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 3 March 2016 08: 37 New
        +2
        I understand ... the Papuans will intercede for us when they come for us.
        Apparently dear, they came for you a long time ago ... only you unfortunately have not noticed this yet.
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 3 March 2016 07: 12 New
      +3
      ... it is, for reflection


      This is also for reflection ... the library is there ...

      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 3 March 2016 07: 32 New
        +7
        library, it’s not working today ...
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 3 March 2016 06: 37 New
    +3
    And Indonesia, for obvious occupation does not receive sanctions .. The type it should be ... Double standards ..
    1. andj61
      andj61 3 March 2016 07: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      And Indonesia, for obvious occupation does not receive sanctions .. The type it should be ... Double standards ..

      What is the occupation? On this occasion, there was a special UN decision!
  4. rpek32
    rpek32 3 March 2016 07: 11 New
    +3
    And if the people of Papua regained their independence, it is far from the fact that they were allowed to squander their natural heritage there.
    .
    Sure sure.
    Suddenly they took and stopped. Only those who will receive money for these resources will change
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 3 March 2016 09: 52 New
      +1
      And that's not a fact! Transnational corporations and do not care about the "underlying terrain"!
  5. tux
    tux 3 March 2016 07: 42 New
    +1
    If I'm not mistaken, the same story happened with the island of Timor. As soon as the former owners of the Portuguese left in 1975, so Indonesia occupied it.
    1. andj61
      andj61 3 March 2016 07: 58 New
      0
      Quote: tux.topwar
      If I'm not mistaken, the same story happened with the island of Timor. As soon as the former owners of the Portuguese left in 1975, so Indonesia occupied it.

      Exactly, it occupied, back in 1975. And for 4 years it again granted independence.
      In 1999, under pressure from the United Nations, a referendum on self-determination was held in East Timor. As a result, 78,5% of the population favored independence. This led to a new outbreak of violence, which required the introduction of an international peacekeeping contingent. On May 20, 2002, the former Portuguese colony was officially declared an independent state.
  6. General_colonel
    General_colonel 3 March 2016 09: 32 New
    +6
    The article did not like. I met on the website for improving English with two Indonesians (though one of them is a Chinese Catholic). Very open, kind and modern people. How about the fact that one of the central channels of Indonesia is animated by Masha and the Bear in Russian with Indonesian subtitles? And you can’t take your children away from him. Indonesia has a very respectful attitude towards Russia. One of them is trying to learn Russian. Well, she really doesn’t work well.
    The head of Papua New Guinea for which the author stands is the Queen of England. And Indonesia is certainly a Muslim country (although women have equal rights there on April 22, National Women's Day in honor of the birthday of the famous women's human rights activist), but the Chinese diaspora has significant influence in business and politics. Indonesia has a very strained relationship with English-speaking Australia. Since Australia’s 20 millionth fears Indonesia’s 250 millionth. On the same site there was news that Indonesia was going to buy a Su-35 recently.
    In general, I think that the definition of Indonesia as "typical Asians with their rabid patriarchy, with their disregard for human life, with their derogatory attitude towards women, with their fanatical understanding of the norms of Islam and other primordially Asian flaws" is absolutely wrong.
    1. reservist
      reservist 3 March 2016 13: 12 New
      0
      Quote: General_colonel
      What about the fact that on one of the central channels of Indonesia there is a cartoon Masha and the Bear in Russian with Indonesian subtitles?

      so this is a cartoon almost all of Asia is watching ...
      The press service of Russian Cinema added that so far the series has been sold to more than 100 countries. In February of this year, the cartoon became the first Russian winner of the American Kidscreen Awards, established by the leading publication about the children's entertainment industry Kidscreen, as "Best Animation 2015" in the Creative Talent category.
      1. General_colonel
        General_colonel 3 March 2016 14: 30 New
        0
        so this is a cartoon almost all of Asia is watching ...
        Yes, but there they watch it in Russian in the original, just with subtitles on the central channel. If the attitude would have been hostile in Russian, they would never have shown it, I think.
  7. Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 3 March 2016 09: 37 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, in our time, when the national and business interests dominate, Truth and Justice are not taken into account. Nothing personal just business. And the Papuans have a long struggle for independence. only they can decide their fate. By the way, Russia supplies Indonesia the SU-30 and not only.
    Nothing personal just business.
    1. Mangel olys
      Mangel olys 3 March 2016 13: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Ramzes33
      And the Papuans have a long struggle for independence. only they can decide their fate.

      I agree, but for this they should master at least the "scarecrow".
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 3 March 2016 09: 38 New
    +2
    From the works of the righteous you cannot make stone chambers.
    This is the reason for colonization in the sublunary world.
    But colonization is not only external, but also internal. For the same reason.
    Look at the gap between the rich and the rest of the population in Russia.
    What is not colonization !?
  9. R-22
    R-22 3 March 2016 09: 42 New
    0
    "Everyone was against this situation. Both the Dutch and the inhabitants of West Papua themselves. But the fact remains - in May 1963, control over the western part of the island was completely transferred to Indonesia by a UN decision." As I understand it, the decision was made under pressure from the United States ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 3 March 2016 11: 22 New
      +2
      In 1963, Sukarno was the president of Indonesia and the country was in very good relations with the USSR. Soviet newspapers of the time welcomed the re-distribution of West Papua Indonesia.
  10. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 3 March 2016 09: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: General_colonel

    In general, I think that the definition of Indonesia as "typical Asians with their rabid patriarchy, with their disregard for human life, with their derogatory attitude towards women, with their fanatical understanding of the norms of Islam and other primordially Asian flaws" is absolutely wrong.

    In-in, and then only the poor humane Papuans feel sorry.
  11. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 3 March 2016 10: 55 New
    0
    Informative article. I did not know about this conflict. But the atom does not agree with many arguments.
    But not a minus article!
  12. cdznjckfd
    cdznjckfd 3 March 2016 11: 49 New
    +1
    I was in Papua only once about twenty years ago, all the memories are only that the agent seriously warned that cannibalism is real and categorically does not recommend hanging around. :-)
  13. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 3 March 2016 12: 23 New
    0
    For some reason, I’m sure that 250 million Indonesians are sleeping and see how these Western Papuans will be screwed into eastern Papuan.
    Just do not offer money for this.
    For some reason, I do not believe that among the 250 million Indonesians, all polls are only busy tapping the poor western Papuans. They force them to accept Islam, do not eat human beings, and do not count their wives as people.
    And it seems to me that these same Papuans only dream about the time when the cash flow will flow to them, not by, but namely to them.
    But in the EU visa-free these Papuans do not want? And these Papuans do not want lace panties?
    .
    I do not take this article seriously.
    Live, integrate into any of the two cultures, at least Papuan, at least Indonesian.
    There, you, as the Indians of North America, are not kept on reservations, they are not destroyed for the Russian language.
    No, it turns out that the Papuans are very bad. And Russia does not help them - so, is it necessary to understand the article?
    .
    So, to whom it is good now? It’s bad for everyone. All-all, including Obama. He, for example, cannot overcome Putin in any way.
    And Putin, accordingly, is ill from the opposite.
    .
    Oh, on the VO website to discuss the problems of the Papuans.
    ..
    But I at least understood why Indonesia’s special forces are considered the best in the TOP.
    Looks like they got the Papuans ... wassat
  14. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 3 March 2016 12: 45 New
    0
    The fight of Donbass with Ukraine is a fight for Russians between Russia and the USA. The struggle for the Papuans is the struggle for territory between Australia and Indonesia. The article is propaganda material of the Australian embassy, ​​or one way or another, domestic material inspired by the Australians. Boring gentlemen ...
  15. Vadim42
    Vadim42 3 March 2016 15: 42 New
    -1
    We will understand in Syria, Ukraine, help the Papuans.
  16. saygon66
    saygon66 3 March 2016 21: 13 New
    0
    - Well, after all, he suggested that Miklouho-Maclay Papua colonize - they didn’t want to ... They will now have to wait for another opportunity! wassat
  17. partizan86
    partizan86 3 March 2016 23: 22 New
    +1
    In our country, in terms of attitude to resources, of course, it is also not a paradise. But, to Guinea, Congo, Niger and many other states, mainly African or South American, we are definitely very far away. They urinate people, not counting, where they have wetted all the fauna in many places, and what is extremely rare, forests are cut down mercilessly, without which it will be worse for all earthlings. Artificial soil erosion is such that for several generations can not be restored. This is a creeping environmental catastrophe, which can very painfully hurt the next generations. If not already. One could over China and ocean acidification are worth it. But in fact, we can’t do anything, and are unlikely to want, partially paying for this, not always consciously. And for the direct participants, an excuse, as for Afghans growing poppy, they say poor peasants want to eat (but they did not teach them to plant potatoes.). Maybe the Zika virus did not appear casual ...
  18. surrozh
    surrozh 4 March 2016 03: 52 New
    0
    God, how we look like Papuans - we also export resources from our country and get beads in the form of iPhones, cars and other products of processing our raw materials.
  19. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 5 March 2016 23: 28 New
    0
    No, thank God we are not like the Papuans. Very much. Well, at least the fact that the first went into space, and the Papuans did not even go beyond the borders of their island. laughing

    And so - that the Indonesians, that the Papuans are one another, and both in general, without liberal tinsel - are obvious savages. Moreover, among the dayakas in Indonesia, according to some, the same cannibalism as the Papuans has remained. but among the latter it is generally a national tradition and cult, it is considered one of the oldest and most degraded peoples on Earth. I will give you one simple piece of advice - communicate with ordinary Australians (if you are lucky and they fall in your path of life, they are very civilized, open and kind people, very close to our mentality) - and God forbid you communicate with the Papuans, especially in the outback ... They can’t even be Christianized in the normal way, they still often eat relatives, not to mention the pagan rites of initiation, about which it’s disgusting to talk about ...

    And I hope our country does not get involved in solving Western Irian issues ...