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Expert on open hatches on Syrian T-90 and new dynamic protection

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The Internet continues the discussion of the video that captured the militants' attempt to destroy the T-90 tank of the Syrian army from the TOW-2A anti-tank complex. For some military specialists, this episode caused conflicting feelings, writes in his article for Messenger of Mordovia Lev Romanov.


Expert on open hatches on Syrian T-90 and new dynamic protection


“Of course, it’s great that the base of the T-90 battle tank withstood an American anti-tank missile, but the fact is that they used weaponwhich in the USA is considered not the newest, ”the author notes.

The US military is already armed with more modern versions of the TOW-2. At the same time, "the main dynamic defense of Russian tanks", like over a quarter century ago, is still" Contact-5 "." Is it able to neutralize the BGM-71F TOW-2B?

“Russian gunsmiths have long since created a third-generation dynamic defense, the Relic, which even 10 was adopted for years ago, but for some strange reasons, the army still hasn’t bought it. "Relic" is not only much better than the "Contact-5", "holds" various kinds of ammunition, it provides a significantly higher overlap of the projections of the tank. Thanks to this, the number of vulnerabilities on combat vehicles is significantly reduced, of which there are especially many in the most massive modernized T-72B3 tank, ”writes Romanov.

“The incident with the T-90 in Syria has once again demonstrated the need for closed machine gun installations on tanks. Everyone saw how the tank commander fired in the direction of the enemy with a large-caliber machine gun, while being protected by armor, ”he notes.

According to the expert, if the T-90 were T-72B3, the fighter would inevitably die.

“Speaking of open manholes in Syrian T-90. Tankers were forced to keep them open because of the heat in the fighting compartment. But the temperature in Aleppo that day was only + 17-20 degrees Celsius. What will be closer to the summer? ”, The author asks.

Being in a closed tank in a Middle Eastern climate is difficult even for local crews.

“The thing is that the tanks were transferred to the Syrians from those that were in the Russian army. And for our fighters, in the opinion of some officials in uniform, such a necessary thing in the heat as air conditioning is an excessive luxury. So, it is not surprising that the hatches will continue to be open despite the prohibitions and potential danger, ”explains Romanov.

According to him, Algeria, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan T-90С come with air conditioning. In Azerbaijan, for example, “in general, the most advanced version of the T-90C was installed, on which the latest version of the Shtora optical-electronic suppression system was also installed,” the article notes.

At the same time, the Russian Defense Ministry's purchase of T-90 tanks stopped 5 years ago. “All this time, not new but only upgraded T-72B3 tanks with reduced characteristics were purchased and continue to be purchased for Russian troops: without the Curtains, without a closed machine-gun installation, without air conditioners and with outdated dynamic protection,” Romanov states.
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  1. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 1 March 2016 14: 15
    22
    It is necessary to supply them with air conditioners like Azerbaijan T-90
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    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara 1 March 2016 14: 24
      20
      No one will put air conditioners on equipment given from the troops. This is not a new supply once, the second is an urgent delivery and there is NO time to upgrade.
      1. atalef
        atalef 1 March 2016 14: 28
        12
        Quote: Foxmara
        No one will put air conditioners on equipment given from the troops. This is not a new supply once, the second is an urgent delivery and there is NO time to upgrade.

        Well then, in the summer of summer, nobody will close the hatches, and even with the hanger open.
        1. i80186
          i80186 1 March 2016 14: 49
          21
          Quote: atalef
          Well then, in the summer of summer, nobody will close the hatches, and even with the hanger open.

          "Experts" are not our comrades at all. The hatch is open for sure because the gunner got out to watch the results of the shooting. By the way, evidence of this is clearly available information about the location of the ATGM launcher, the barrel looks exactly there. Surely before the missile was launched, they had already fired at the launcher's position and thought that the target had been destroyed.
          That's why the T-72 hatches are closed in the summer. Air conditioning delivered? smile
          1. atalef
            atalef 1 March 2016 14: 56
            +8
            Quote: i80186
            Surely before the missile launch, they already fired at the PU position and thought that the target was destroyed

            And dyal got out to see it?
            Quote: i80186
            That's why the T-72 hatches are closed in the summer. Air conditioning delivered?

            They want to live.
            This does not say at all that it is comfortable inside.
            Can you imagine what a closed car is in the summer?
            We kind of drove in * armored car * across territories, conditionally broke, - we thought we would die.
            After 25 minutes, they were already wet as mice.
            1. i80186
              i80186 1 March 2016 15: 02
              +7
              Quote: atalef

              And dyal got out to see it?

              Well, yes. It’s like a tank, it’s hard to see from it. Binoculars are another thing.
              Quote: atalef
              This does not say at all that it is comfortable inside.

              Well, if everything that needs to work, in particular the PAZ, which creates excess pressure inside the tank by pumping air, then the temperature is almost the same as "overboard"
              But in general, yes, the tank is hot, but bearable. No one will open the hatch, just because it takes two hours to steam.
              And yes, experts writing such articles are not needed. smile
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 1 March 2016 16: 51
                +3
                i80186:
                But in general, yes, the tank is hot, but bearable. No one will open the hatch, just because it takes two hours to steam.


                in our region in the summer just standing in the shade is not comfortable.

                it’s warm inside the tank during battle or tension, and under the sun at 37 degrees and 80% humidity in addition ...
                1. i80186
                  i80186 1 March 2016 17: 00
                  +9
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  in our region in the summer just standing in the shade is not comfortable.

                  Well, I went to the T-40 at +62 in the Caucasus and am still alive. Barefoot, for example, it was impossible to walk on armor, legs burned. Just think, what is it like for an infantryman at +40, and in body armor and a helmet, and even a running one? I tried to run like that. So, in the tank I felt all the more comfortable. smile
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 1 March 2016 17: 32
                    11
                    And I jumped in TurkVO on self-propelled guns 2С3 at +57 - it was very hot through my boots, but it was better inside - than to run to the hills in such heat. There was such weather all summer from April to November ... repeat repeat recourse
                  2. 4fedor1
                    4fedor1 1 March 2016 19: 25
                    +8
                    and I'm in Tedjen on t-62. better in the tank than on foot. under armor is easier than under panama.
                  3. frei67
                    frei67 2 March 2016 21: 21
                    +1
                    for sure. himself in Afghanistan at 62 was quite tolerable
              2. atalef
                atalef 1 March 2016 20: 15
                0
                Quote: i80186
                Well, if everything that needs to work, in particular the PAZ, which creates excess pressure inside the tank by pumping air, then the temperature is almost the same as "overboard

                And overboard 45 in the shade, by the way, do you refuse to take into account the heating of the car by the sun?

                Quote: i80186
                But in general, yes, the tank is hot, but bearable.

                Joker you are my friend.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 1 March 2016 21: 20
                  +5
                  and war - it’s generally a damnable thing for life, they die from war ....
                  WWII statistics (I don’t remember the exact numbers, but I can vouch for the order) our infantry is about 500% of the number of infantry units, tankers -90% of the number of units ...
                  But there was no stopudovo air conditioning in the T-34 - however, they endured nothing, they survived
                  Repeat myself
                  "And I rode in TurkVO on self-propelled guns 2C3 at +57 - it was very scorching even through my boots, but it was better to run inside than on foot in such heat to the hill." - action in the Karakum desert region repeat Well, obviously not colder than yours drinks
                2. i80186
                  i80186 1 March 2016 21: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  And overboard 45 in the shade, by the way, do you refuse to take into account the heating of the car by the sun?

                  Urgently to each infantryman on the conditioner with a special tent in a trench.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Joker you are my friend.

                  I just know how it is - in a tank at +40. Again, I know how it is - an infantryman with 30 kg on his back, with the same +40. So, it’s better I’ll still ride in a tank without an air conditioner, than run after it again without an air conditioner.
            2. Pig
              Pig 1 March 2016 15: 53
              +6
              "" we thought we would die ""
              Yes Yes! I also served in Abkhazia as it happened to sit in the BMP for several hours in the heat ...
              this pitchfork is just ...
            3. Kent0001
              Kent0001 1 March 2016 17: 16
              +2
              But alive. And this is good!))))
            4. alexmach
              alexmach 2 March 2016 00: 02
              +2
              In some program I saw about the supply of Soviet military advisers ... to Angola or something .. on the T-34 and in winter headsets. Well, of course, without air conditioning ..
            5. co-creator
              co-creator 2 March 2016 00: 42
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              They want to live.
              This does not say at all that it is comfortable inside.

              You had to put a plus.
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          3. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 1 March 2016 15: 23
            +7
            In Afghanistan, they rode with open hatches, so that when hit from an RPG they would not be smeared with pressure, thereby increasing the chances of survival.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 1 March 2016 17: 48
              0
              Quote: Grandfather Luka
              In Afghanistan, they rode with open hatches, so that when hit from an RPG they would not be smeared with pressure, thereby increasing the chances of survival.

              the Yankees did not deliver ATGM spirits then ...
              1. Chisayna
                Chisayna 1 March 2016 18: 11
                +2
                And we in Tajikistan and in Chechnya also drove with open hatches and nothing. Yet we had such ... opened the boxes of active protection, set fire to the plastids and warmed the stew on it.
              2. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 07: 18
                +1
                But the RPG 7 of the spirits was more than enough.
              3. frei67
                frei67 2 March 2016 21: 25
                0
                perfumes worked by our RPG 7
            2. volan
              volan 1 March 2016 20: 34
              +3
              The steady delusion of tankers. It is much easier to get a gas plow through an open hatch than through a punched hole in a cumulative jet.
              1. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 07: 27
                0
                What is gas plush? Could it be a shot from a cheburashka?
                1. volan
                  volan 2 March 2016 12: 20
                  +1
                  I apologize. It was more accurate to say the gas-dynamic shock wave.
                  1. Grandfather Luka
                    Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 16: 06
                    0
                    Yes, it can come from anywhere. But I wonder why this "delusion" is so persistent? Maybe there is a reason?
                    1. volan
                      volan 20 July 2016 12: 16
                      0
                      Reasons ... This applies to lightly armored vehicles. The penetration into the body of a shot of increased armor penetration of the PG-7VL type in an armored personnel carrier, in addition to penetration, sometimes causes a breach in the body.
        2. Michael67
          Michael67 1 March 2016 14: 53
          +9
          "Nobody will install air conditioners on equipment supplied from the troops. This is not a new supply, the second is an urgent supply and there is NO time to carry out modernization."
          They will not bet, they will not close, the geeks will find a way to throw a grenade into the hatch.
          Until the roasted rooster pecks in the stern, apparently, they will not take any measures.
          And measures are needed, because the difference in the cost of living of the crew + tank and the cost of a grenade is very large.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 1 March 2016 15: 57
            +7
            So throw a grenade into the hatch, this is a proven case. In Iraq, not one Abrashu was so burned and closed hatches are not a panacea.

            Hunting a lonely abrashu in Iraq:
            - Babakhkanistra VV on the roof. Explosion.
            - broads runs into the tank and throws point BB. Explosion.
            - grenades fly into the breaches / ripped / open hatches.

            Here is one - at first even fired back.




            Here is the second one:

            1. Grandfather Luka
              Grandfather Luka 1 March 2016 16: 18
              +2
              Say good thing, well, try to check it yourself. You still need to approach the tank. A tank does not fight without infantry. And the fact that all crap flies into the hatches of Americans, this is an example of tactically illiterate use of military equipment. From the mattress covers nothing else to expect.
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 1 March 2016 16: 57
                +4
                A tank without infantry does not fight on paper. In fact, in Iraq and Syria, a tank without infantry is the norm.

                It flies not just to the Americans, who tanks more or less competently used (almost all of them having beaten up the Abrash and even Bradley was from IEDs), but to the Iraqis, for whom a tank standing in a position without infantry is the norm.
                1. Grandfather Luka
                  Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 06: 56
                  0
                  I recommend looking through the textbook on tactics, but if you prefer to focus on idiots, please, your right. How long does a glass horseradish fool? This is about those whose tanks in Iraq the Basmachis are catching up on foot and that they want to drop them in the hatches, climbing right on the armor.
              2. inpu
                inpu 1 March 2016 17: 49
                0
                Quote: Grandfather Luka
                From the mattress covers nothing else to expect.

                Just their losses are minimal.

                And they don’t climb into the forehead with armor, for there are hordes of mercenaries whose losses are not considered losses of the mattress army.
          2. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 1 March 2016 16: 28
            +1
            The quality of the training of specialists in the Syrian army is of course low, however this applies to all Arabs. There is also the fear of being smeared and the heat and carelessness ... They would smear from "Jewellin" - there would be an omelette for everyone ... However, in this case, it is unlikely that they were closed hatches ..
            1. the polar
              the polar 1 March 2016 16: 47
              +1
              The main problem, of course, is low professional training, and the order .. ski-specific "military discipline" of the Arabs. To work satisfactorily with advanced military equipment, they must be trained for at least a year.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 2 March 2016 04: 03
                +1
                the polar

                Poor preparation of Arabs is connected with mentality. Changing their mentality is difficult. It’s all the same, to teach the old uncle things that his father could not (did not want) to teach from childhood.
              2. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 07: 44
                +1
                Leopard change his spots.
        3. Maxom75
          Maxom75 1 March 2016 15: 13
          +2
          It is necessary to include all the protection of the Curtain, including, then the rocket will not fall into the tank and protection will not be required.
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          2. dark_flame
            dark_flame 1 March 2016 16: 44
            0
            Quote: Maxom75
            It is necessary to include all the protection of the Curtain, including, then the rocket will not fall into the tank and protection will not be required.

            Well, the curtain system RPG-7 is not a hindrance. For this, the Arena system is needed (but is it generally on the t-90?).
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 March 2016 17: 07
              0
              Our Arena doesn’t stand on anything at all, just like the Relic’s dynamic defense - in the army there are no such complexes and kits and they will appear.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 1 March 2016 17: 51
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                Our Arena doesn’t stand on anything at all, just like the Relic’s dynamic defense - in the army there are no such complexes and kits and they will appear.

                Well, in the court units (cantemation, taman) I think it’s worth, but in the rest I don’t think ...
            2. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 1 March 2016 18: 35
              0
              It’s not worth it, the military refused ... There is a great danger of motorized rifle defeat with their own fragments, and our earcaps sold part of the documentation to fenders ..
              Quote: dark_flame
              Quote: Maxom75
              It is necessary to include all the protection of the Curtain, including, then the rocket will not fall into the tank and protection will not be required.

              Well, the curtain system RPG-7 is not a hindrance. For this, the Arena system is needed (but is it generally on the t-90?).
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 1 March 2016 16: 15
          0
          SYRIA BRIGHT ATTACK SCENES OF T-72 TANKS IN JOBAR
          The video is interesting, but again the tanks are used in the city in a dumb way. Where are the assault groups in the streets? request
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 07: 00
            0
            The assault groups on the streets have nothing to do, they walk through the buildings, passing through the walls and cleaning one after another. In the video, by the way, they are visible.
        5. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 1 March 2016 22: 11
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Foxmara
          No one will put air conditioners on equipment given from the troops. This is not a new supply once, the second is an urgent delivery and there is NO time to upgrade.

          Well then, in the summer of summer, nobody will close the hatches, and even with the hanger open.

          Serials have been fighting on the T-72 for more than a year, and they haven’t complained about the lack of kondeami ... They were more interested in having a stronger DZ on the tank than on the old T-72 ...
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      3. akribos
        akribos 1 March 2016 16: 36
        0
        Funny expert. The hatch is open, not because it is hot, but because the cumulative stream would not create excess pressure. Who is writing the articles?
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 1 March 2016 17: 33
          +2
          Quote: akribos
          Funny expert. The hatch is open, not because it is hot, but because the cumulative stream would not create excess pressure. Who is writing the articles?

          The cumulative jet does not create excessive pressure, since it is a jet of metal, not gas. In the case under discussion, the detonation of the missile along with the dynamic protection units created "excess pressure" which concussed the gunner through the open hatch.
          The hatches are kept open so that in case of ignition of charges in the combat unit, leave the car as soon as possible. However, in the presence of DZ, this habit played a cruel joke with the crew.
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 07: 56
            +1
            An open hatch in the heat of heat will not add, except that the dust, the cumulative pressure jet will kill the crew, or at least it will beat so that you can’t leave the car yourself. As for the concussion from undermining the DZ, I probably agree. Although in this case it is more likely not a concussion, but a fierce betrayal, judging by the speed with which he kicked from the tank.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 2 March 2016 10: 38
              0
              Quote: Grandfather Luka
              the cumulative pressure jet will kill the crew,

              What pressure?
              Quote: Grandfather Luka
              and betrayal is fierce,

              He held on to his ears, possibly breaking the membranes - it hurts.
              1. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 11: 12
                0
                What pressure? Weird question. The pressure of a directed explosion penetrating with the jet. Or do you think that the detonation of the cumulative charge is limited only by a burnt hole in the board? A fighter on the ears got it by itself.
                Just getting tinnitus and shell shock is not exactly the same thing. Perhaps limited to the ears just because the hatch was open.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 2 March 2016 12: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Grandfather Luka
                  Weird question. The pressure of a directed explosion penetrating with the jet.

                  This is as real as if you throw a grenade into the room, close the door immediately and get a shell shock through the keyhole.
                  A shock wave CANNOT penetrate a thick-armored barrier through an opening pierced by a cumulative jet, because the diameter of such an opening is negligible, and it is impossible to transmit any significant impulse through it. Accordingly, excessive pressure cannot be created inside the armored object.

                  Well written here, I recommend:
                  http://army-news.ru/2012/11/eshhyo-odin-kumulyativnyj-mif/
                  1. Grandfather Luka
                    Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 13: 07
                    0
                    You are trying to refute the very principle of the cumulative effect of ammunition. Further comments on my part are perhaps unnecessary.
                    It would be interesting to know your personal vision of this principle. How do you think the tank is affected?
              2. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 15: 11
                0
                I learned from the subject subtracted that armor pressure is a myth. Okay, let's say. They also write there, the jet temperature is 3500-4000 * C, the jet velocity is 10-12km / s, the pressure is 200-250 thousand atmospheres i.e. 20-25 tons / cm2! Do not contradict the initial installation of the myth. The jet parameters just say the opposite.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 2 March 2016 15: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Grandfather Luka
                  3500-4000 * C, jet speed 10-12km / s., Pressure 200-250 thousand atmospheres

                  The pressure is indicated at the point of formation of the jet consisting of the metal of the lining of the funnel.
                  The jet is focused using the explosive, and the shock wave from the explosion does not focus anything and it diverges in all directions.
                  1. Grandfather Luka
                    Grandfather Luka 2 March 2016 15: 39
                    0
                    But the jet then penetrates with such pressure and speed. The wheel, for example, is also pumped through a thin nipple. In any case, I can’t say for sure, I didn’t burn in the tank, I did not invent or test the charge. But for some reason, tankers support this myth, from whose words I made my opinion.
                    1. Gray brother
                      Gray brother 2 March 2016 17: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Grandfather Luka
                      . But for some reason, tankers support this myth, from whose words I made my opinion.

                      The cumulative ammunition can break through thin armor with gases and there will be a hole with a fist, then yes, you can get a barotrauma. With a thick one such a number will not work, the products of the explosion will get inside, but not in a critical amount.
                      Accidentally stumbled upon the same article on VO :-)
                      http://topwar.ru/20498-esche-odin-kumulyativnyy-mif.html
    3. Blondy
      Blondy 1 March 2016 14: 57
      +2
      At the same time, the RF Ministry of Defense stopped purchasing T-90 tanks 5 years ago. “All this time, not new, but only modernized T-72B3 tanks with reduced characteristics: no Shtora, no closed machine gun, no air conditioners and with outdated reactive armor were purchased for the Russian troops and continue to be purchased”

      Already two social formations have changed, and in our country the generals from the procurement as in the time of the king of peas saved on soldiers and continue to save. But it would be necessary to understand that tank biathlon and tank battle are somewhat different things.
      1. Amnestied
        Amnestied 1 March 2016 16: 10
        +3
        Quote: Blondy
        Already two social formations have changed, and in our country the generals from the procurement as in the time of the king of peas saved on soldiers and continue to save. But it would be necessary to understand that tank biathlon and tank battle are somewhat different things.

        Lady, you as an expert in armaments, show me not far off where and how they save on soldiers? It is advisable specifically with a breakdown for each type of weapons and military equipment, where they saved, where your proposal for modernization was also not delivered. And I would also like to know your education, well, as an expert, otherwise your scribble looks like drafts.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 1 March 2016 18: 02
          +1
          Quote: Amnestied
          You, as an expert in armaments, show me near where and how they save on soldiers?

          Oh, I can tell you a lot of things instead of the Blonde, but only a small part of this you can find in open sources, for example, on the website "nachfin", read it - very indicative ...
          1. Amnestied
            Amnestied 1 March 2016 18: 33
            0
            Quote: PSih2097
            Oh, I can tell you a lot of things instead of the Blonde, but only a small part of this you can find in open sources, for example, on the website "nachfin", read it - very indicative ...

            Thank you for the tip, I will certainly use your advice! Blond’s post was an open, groundless sketch, which is why she was asked a substantive question. There was no answer, then a troll.
        2. square
          square 1 March 2016 18: 30
          +1
          Quote: Amnestied
          Quote: Blondy
          Already two social formations have changed, and in our country the generals from the procurement as in the time of the king of peas saved on soldiers and continue to save. But it would be necessary to understand that tank biathlon and tank battle are somewhat different things.

          Lady, you as an expert in armaments, show me not far off where and how they save on soldiers? It is advisable specifically with a breakdown for each type of weapons and military equipment, where they saved, where your proposal for modernization was also not delivered. And I would also like to know your education, well, as an expert, otherwise your scribble looks like drafts.

          And you read the laws on public procurement 44FZ and on state defense orders. All questions will disappear, they are not fighting corruption, it is more like a diversion.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 2 March 2016 04: 10
          +1
          Amnestied.

          All armies of the world are characterized by shortcomings in one sphere or another. And equally significant flaws. There are no exceptional armies in this regard. And this is not due to the quick wits of the generals and ensigns, this is due to the unification of the weapons platform. They seek to reduce all weapons to universality by types and theaters of possible military operations. The financial factor is at the forefront.
          From this point of view, absolutely all the armies of the world, including the financially rich, fall under criticism.
      2. Muvka
        Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 12
        +1
        Incidentally, in the freshest modification of the T-72B3, it is no longer an outdated contact, but a relic. Yes, and a lot of things have changed on the little things. Not counting the engine. The new modification is very ok for me!
    4. Amnestied
      Amnestied 1 March 2016 15: 37
      +2
      Comrades! Please enlighten, what kind of exPerd is Lev Romanov? I googled and did not find it, what did this person graduate from, where does he work and what is his "expert opinion" based on? I would be glad to receive any information regarding this exPerd! hi
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 1 March 2016 18: 07
        0
        Quote: Amnestied
        Please enlighten what kind of exPerd is such a Lev Romanov?

        sits on the site "Bulletin of Mordovia".
        1. Heapoiss
          Heapoiss 1 March 2016 20: 36
          0
          "sits on the site" Bulletin of Mordovia ""
          It looks like solid military experts in this bulletin ...
          Already come across two, only the last name I can not remember.
          Remembered! Roman Katkov is one of them ...
          1. Amnestied
            Amnestied 1 March 2016 20: 57
            0
            Quote: Heapoiss
            It looks like solid military experts in this bulletin ...

            Here I am about this, it is not clear who is sitting, and it is not clear what writes, and everyone loudly calls these individuals "experts". Too many sketches have appeared lately!
            1. Heapoiss
              Heapoiss 1 March 2016 22: 05
              0
              Not in the messenger, however, is Pavel Filgenhauer, with the education of a biologist.
              That little thing ...
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 2 March 2016 04: 14
              +1
              Amnestied

              I dare to argue that the "Bulletin of Mordovia" surprised and will surprise the public with good military reviews. Apparently the editor has a secret feeling for the military theme. I must say that they succeed. But this is just my personal opinion.
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 1 March 2016 18: 22
      +1
      Quote: ramin_serg
      They must be equipped with air conditioners

      The air conditioner will not hurt in the heat, but what kind of heat can there be in the T-90 fighting compartment if it is 17-20 degrees outside?
      Where does the heat come from? fool
      In addition, fans in the tank for each crew member are provided, when shooting, especially from the gun, you must also include an air blower (FVU) to enhance air exchange (removal of powder gases).
      When you have to read such pearls of "tankers of the pen", you immediately see who you are dealing with. lol And besides the hatches, there are also hatches for various purposes, you can take out the "triplex" to blow it ...
      The Syrians keep the hatches open for a psychological reason, and not because of the heat: they hope that it is easier to leave the tank in case of damage, but they try not to think about the fact that through an open hatch you can get a fatal "gift" ...
      Now, if we could find out the consequences of getting a TOW ATGM, then the discussion would make sense, and so the transfusion from empty to empty ...
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 1 March 2016 18: 31
        0
        The supercharger turns on automatically after a shot, it doesn’t matter, the FCT or the gun. But you can turn it on yourself, it turns on with a loud pop. Inexperienced crew can get scared.
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 1 March 2016 14: 15
    +6
    At the same time, the Russian Defense Ministry's purchase of T-90 tanks stopped 5 years ago. “All this time, not new but only upgraded T-72B3 tanks with reduced characteristics were purchased and continue to be purchased for Russian troops: without the Curtains, without a closed machine-gun installation, without air conditioners and with outdated dynamic protection,” Romanov states.


    NOT happy. Why?
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 1 March 2016 14: 20
      +7
      Because Armata. Is there any point in buying if the rearmament is to be completed by 2020? This is not a potato "world of tanks", but real Armed Forces. Tanks require a real material and technical base (hangars, service, supply of fuel and ammunition) and trained crews - and this is a worse cost than purchasing tanks. And the point is to create a base and train crews, if in the short term it is expected to re-equip with equipment that is much more advanced than the T-90?
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 1 March 2016 14: 49
        12
        Do you really believe that by 2020 we will have at least one Armat division throughout the country?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 March 2016 17: 11
          0
          Most likely, the Armata platform, like the T 50, will begin to be mass-produced only after 2020.
      2. Blondy
        Blondy 1 March 2016 15: 41
        +1
        Quote: Flinky
        Sense to buy, if rearmament on them should end by 2020?

        What a naive young man, not at all adapted to PR. It is enough to take a calculator and calculate how much they do in a year, but they didn’t make a hundred of them this year, and how many years are left until the year 20 (add the shitty economic situation and budget cuts) And in such a context it is no longer worth taking a clean-up coin of statements like In total, Russia plans to produce 2300 Armata tanks - 500 units per year.
        In total, there are more than 18 thousand tanks in the Russian army (twice as many as in the USA) of which T90 - only 400 units, more than 7 thousand T72 and about 5 thousand T80. To compare with the states you need to have ten thousand modern tanks. So you still have to fight on T72 against the Abrams M1, which the states have about 9 thousand pieces, well, you can add a thousand German leopards.
        On the other hand, if you think about, well, what to do with such a breakthrough of tanks as we have in the 21st century.
        1. Forest
          Forest 1 March 2016 15: 53
          +1
          In our army there are 2300 tanks, in the USA - 2000. Anything can be in reserve, but these tanks will not be able to fight without crews.
          1. Dewa1s
            Dewa1s 2 March 2016 07: 27
            0
            Plus, all these tanks need to be somehow provided on the territory of Europe, which is also a challenge for logisticians.
        2. your1970
          your1970 1 March 2016 18: 19
          0
          "So you still have to fight on the T72 against the M1 Abrams, of which the states have about 9 thousand units, well, you can add a thousand German leopards."
          Are you serious now? or joked? Or don’t you understand that even a hundred Abrams on the territory of the Russian Federation as well as a hundred T-72 on the territory of Germany are those people who will survive for at least two or three days, unlike the others?
          This is a war, nuclear weapons both with us and their readiness ..
          The second aspect, the size of the Wehrmacht was much higher, but it could not ensure a dense occupation EVEN the European part of the USSR. Translated into modern, this means that even if NATO / USA suddenly occupy the Russian Federation (assumption !!!) - due to the scanty number of troops Occupants in the city will have 1 tank + 15-20 people + extended railway communications + partisans (and where without them!) + grandmothers with pitchforks / grandfathers with axes + lack of roads as such + fuel and lubricants (OUR !!!! this alone is enough so that they generally remain without technology !!!) + alcohol (again, our singe) + division of the new government / dough (holy!) + bandits (because the redistribution of spheres of influence and fin / flows !!!) + climate ( belay belay ) + stolen THEM by their own rear lines + I haven’t even reached the Russian army, but something is already sad for the invaders ....

          I do not mind them, in a word ...

          Seriously, since not ECONOMIC the expediency of the seizure of the Russian Federation (it is much more profitable to trade in weapons by scaring everyone with "Terrible Russians !!!!") - there will be no military operations ala "Blitzkrieg" and "Storm into the Hollows" ...
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 32
            +1
            And I also believe that during an attack, NATO will not be able to use all its weapons. Just because no one wants to stay naked. For China or India is unlikely to sit back and look at everything. How NATO will weaken, but it will weaken anyway, they will take up NATO, although I do not argue and we may be finished off, what remains. But I think they understand that when they attack us, they will in any case have a priest ...
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 2 March 2016 04: 20
          0
          Blondy

          You are right about the PR account. But it’s possible to stamp Armat technologically. At least mechanical foundations, motor, transmission. Group B manufactures are affordable and very productive. Not comparable since 25 years ago.

          The same States can easily increase the production of any military equipment. It’s just that they don’t have such a task. They achieve their goals by other methods.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 March 2016 15: 33
      12
      Quote: DEZINTO
      NOT happy. Why?

      Because at the time of the decision to refuse the purchase of T-90, the situation was as follows:
      - T-90 were purchased by the MO at 65 vehicles per year;
      - the army demanded an urgent replacement or modernization of about 2-2,5 thousand tanks;
      - in the first line units and constant readiness, the most popular were the T-72A / B of the Soviet release, besides them were also T-62 and even T-55AM;
      - the planned rate of replacement and repair of the tank fleet has not been fulfilled for more than 15 years;
      - The war of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX showed that even in the divisions of constant readiness, tanks were lagging behind the tanks of the countries of limitrophy in the technical characteristics.

      In short, the choice was this:
      - continue to purchase T-90 - and as a result have in the coming years only 2-3 combat-ready TD / MSD on the T-90; the rest should be left with worn-out and obsolete T-72s from the USSR era (and pray that there would be no war - because if it started, these tanks would be only targets);
      - Or, instead of the T-90, purchase three times as many T-72B3 (more precisely, they will already have T-72B in the army amortized), which will allow re-equipping all first-line divisions with new tanks in 5-6 years. Yes, the T-72B3 is an openly budget modification (the price of the T-72B3 is 2,5 times less than the usual T-90A). But it surpasses the previous main tank of our BTV - T-72A / B. And its purchase allows you to raise the average level of TB of all divisions and not just in the Moscow Military District.
      Plus, as a safety net, it was decided to return diesel T-80s to operation.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 March 2016 17: 13
        +1
        This is when the armament T 80UD returned?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 March 2016 17: 57
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          This is when the armament T 80UD returned?

          You are right, but I was wrong. fool
          In service, we left the T-80BV gas turbine in 18 pool and the T-80U gas turbine (without letter D) in the Kantemirovskaya division.

          Thank you for correcting.

          Hmmm ... how "good" the Kharkov diesel engine should be, that our Ministry of Defense chose instead a gas turbine engine with all its delights such as gluttony, the need for special training of mechanics and technicians and the need to build a separate line in terms of supply, maintenance and repair.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 2 March 2016 00: 20
            +1
            Hmmm ... how "good" the Kharkov diesel engine should be, that our Ministry of Defense chose instead a gas turbine engine with all its delights such as gluttony, the need for special training of mechanics and technicians and the need to build a separate line in terms of supply, maintenance and repair.


            It seems to me that the point here is not how good he is, but what they did in Kharkov. In Ukraine, on the contrary, they wrote off the tanks of "Russian" production and left them in service with the "local spill" not because of patriotic fervor, but for purely pragmatic reasons.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 2 March 2016 04: 28
              0
              alexmach

              The Russian Federation and Ukraine have unified equipment according to Soviet standards. Even different tanks have a large number of interchangeable parts. But the decision to refuse to exploit one or another sample is primarily associated with the cost of operation while maintaining quality content.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 1 March 2016 14: 18
    +5
    It feels like these experts are peeing comments on VO periodically. smile
    1. Amnestied
      Amnestied 1 March 2016 16: 11
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      It feels like these experts are peeing comments on VO periodically.

      good
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 1 March 2016 16: 51
      0
      experts are clearly it.
    3. Heapoiss
      Heapoiss 1 March 2016 21: 09
      0
      Yeah, this is Lev Romanov, Roman Katkov and a couple more were not so long ago ...
      "Bulletin of Mordovia" is directly a reserve of military experts or a branch of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense.
  4. Shurale
    Shurale 1 March 2016 14: 20
    +3
    “Of course, it’s wonderful that the basis of the T-90 battle tank withstood the hit of an American anti-tank missile, but the fact is that we used weapons that are not considered the newest in the USA”


    “The incident with the T-90 in Syria once again demonstrated the need for closed machine-gun installations on tanks. Everyone saw how the tank commander fired towards the enemy from a heavy machine gun while behind armor protection, ”he notes.

    According to the expert, if the T-90 were T-72B3, the fighter would inevitably die.


    What is this article about? Who is author? What did they want to tell us?
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 1 March 2016 14: 23
      +4
      The expert did not say anything new. I did not answer the main question.
  5. uskrabut
    uskrabut 1 March 2016 14: 23
    0
    and there’s nothing to add. Amazing, but true. Well, our bureaucrats do not like people, that’s what they save on his life and health. For that, they prefer to carry their ass in wheelbarrows, where climate control and seats with ventilation and massage of the anus (what orientation, such and options) laughing
    1. Temples
      Temples 1 March 2016 14: 37
      +2
      Yes, just stsuki!
      Not to drive the t-90!
      So no, you have bought a car with climate and don’t blow in your mustache!
      wassat
    2. Yarik
      Yarik 1 March 2016 14: 52
      +2
      as about our chunush Ostap said: "... he is calmer when you have a knife sticking out in your chest than a pistol in your hand would be."
    3. your1970
      your1970 1 March 2016 18: 26
      +2
      uskrabut
      "Well, our bureaucrats don't like the people, so they save on their life and health. For that, they prefer to carry their ass on cars with climate control" -
      I read, imagined bureaucrats on tanks in Moscow instead of cars- belay belay - No, let it be better on cars .....
      That's WHY SOMETHING I'm sure five centimeters of armor is better instead of air conditioning and anus massage, and for some reason I'm sure that the military will support me ...
    4. Muvka
      Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 39
      +1
      If we didn’t like the people, then we all would die in these tanks in Ukraine or elsewhere. And we, in modern Russia, haven’t fought anywhere except Georgia. And then there we were attacked by stupidity. And not so big losses as for the war, I think.
    5. gladcu2
      gladcu2 2 March 2016 04: 31
      0
      uskrabut

      It's not about the bureaucrats. The point is the general concept of the organization of armies, which is the same for all countries of the world.

      It consists in the fact that they are trying to unify armaments on a single platform and on a single theater of probable Boei actions. Grandmas rule. But in another way it is impossible.
  6. Jatviag
    Jatviag 1 March 2016 14: 24
    +2
    BGM-71F TOW-2B strikes a target from above when flying over it and has a "double impact core" warhead. It is highly doubtful that the DZ will be able to save the tank from defeat .... First, there is a rather thin armor plate on top, and secondly, there are enough open areas and there are significant gaps between the DZ blocks.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 March 2016 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: JATVIAG
      BGM-71F TOW-2B strikes a target from above when flying over it and has a "double impact core" warhead. It is highly doubtful that DZ will be able to save the tank from defeat ...

      1. These missiles are not in Syria. They are not even enough by the Yankees themselves.
      2. The control system for this missile remained the same: the position of the missile is determined by the optical sensor on the launcher by the lamp and the tracer in the tail of the ATGM. And this means that it can be crushed by the CEP - and then the ATGM will turn into a NAR at best (and at worst - burrow into the ground or fly away to the zenith due to the erroneous value of the correction command).
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 40
        +1
        And if you hang a relic on the roof? Or is there no such practice?
  7. Alexez
    Alexez 1 March 2016 14: 24
    13
    I don’t understand the hysteria around this video. The whole tank, the crew is alive. I have another question - which one ... did this tank fire single machine guns while remaining in the open, moreover, with the active protection systems turned off (floodlights not illuminated)?
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 1 March 2016 15: 40
      10
      And what do you think? Why did the Arabs lose the wars to the Israelis over and over again? Because gouging ...
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 March 2016 17: 13
      +3
      I think just the frivolity of the commander.
      He thought he was facing infantry with small arms.
      In this case, single machine gun firing would be correct
      decision.
  8. letinant
    letinant 1 March 2016 14: 26
    +8
    I am interested to know what kind of expert he is who talks about hatches (preferably a surname, education and a photo) and then some kind of faceless. I drove calmly at +35 in T-72. Since the days of Afgan, I was taught to open hatches not because of the heat, but because the cumulative jet does not create pressure inside the fighting compartment that kills the crew, but only strikes what comes along the way and it is easier to leave the burning car, this is already GREAT PATRIOTIC. Again the article "IT".
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    2. atalef
      atalef 1 March 2016 14: 33
      +3
      Quote: letinant
      I calmly drove at +35 to the T-72

      +35 - for Syria - this is not much.
      When the car stands a day in the sun - it really has 60 degrees, or more

      Quote: letinant
      Ever since the days of Afghanistan, I was taught to open hatches not because of the heat, but because the cumulative stream does not create pressure inside the fighting compartment which kills the crew

      So maybe the hatches are not needed at all?
      Quote: letinant
      and it only affects what comes along the way

      By the way, I think this is one of the reasons. why only one jumped out of the tank.
      1. andranick
        andranick 1 March 2016 14: 45
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        When the car stands a day in the sun - it really has 60 degrees, or more
        Krasnodar, in the summer if the car stands in the sun - in the cabin more than +85 (how much more - I will not say, the thermometer does not appear higher).
      2. letinant
        letinant 1 March 2016 15: 16
        0
        You’ll think when you yourself will be there. Expert sofa. Did you see the tank in the picture? What experience are you based on?
      3. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 1 March 2016 16: 15
        +5
        He served in TurkVO, in the summer in the shade + 42-45, the thermometer went off-scale under the sun. Even on the T-62, all crew members had their own fan, dust such that with an open hatch ... oops. The fighters did not faint, except on a parade ground. So it’s possible to live without kondeya. But another question is whether the condo will work after a blank gets into the tower? But without modern protection, it is necessary to put in the tank those who refused to buy it in Syria, I think the one who survives will be a fierce supporter of the installation of the most reliable protection.
  9. 8140
    8140 1 March 2016 14: 27
    25
    We are already giving birth. Why do we need air conditioners in tanks. Why do we need a new protection "Relic". All is well and so. It would be better if everyone here thought about how to add bonuses to top managers of Gazprom, Rossnieft, Russian Railways and other effective state-owned companies in connection with currency fluctuations. These are the truly pressing problems. Also on the agenda is the significant issue of buying new legionnaires for tens of millions of euros from the sponsorship allocated for Russian football clubs. And let's not forget the relatives and wives of officials for introducing new candidates to the boards of directors of state-owned companies, otherwise the budgets have to be mastered, otherwise Putin will scold. Comrades, great news has come from Comrade Shuvalov: According to his idea, it is ineffective to restore mothballed and stopped production in single-industry towns. We will create new ones, but not now and do not know which ones, but we will .... Hurray comrades!
    The tone of irony will be difficult for some to understand, although someone will see himself in the "mirror"
    1. andranick
      andranick 1 March 2016 14: 39
      +5
      It would be better if everyone here thought about how to add the top managers of Gazprom, Rossneft, Russian Railways to other efficient state-owned companies bonuses in connection with currency fluctuations. These are truly pressing issues.

      I thought. Did not invent.
      We are already giving birth. Why do we need air conditioners in tanks. Why do we need a new protection "Relic".
      .
      Also on the agenda is the significant issue of buying new legionnaires for tens of millions of euros, from the allocated sponsorship for Russian football clubs. And we will not forget the relatives and wives of officials for introducing new candidates to the boards of directors of state-owned companies, otherwise budgets must be mastered, otherwise Putin will scold.

      Life is gamut ... (c) But it is ours.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 March 2016 17: 29
      0
      “Why do we need air conditioners in our tanks. Why do we need a new protection“ Relikt ”. These questions should be asked not to the government, but to the Ministry of Defense.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 42
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        “Why do we need air conditioners in our tanks. Why do we need a new protection“ Relikt ”. These questions should be asked not to the government, but to the Ministry of Defense.

        In the new T-72B3 relic and worth it. And dviglo 1130 horses.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 March 2016 19: 31
          0
          "The new T-72B3" Relic "and stands" - do not show in what place, it is there.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 1 March 2016 19: 45
            +1
            According to order no. 31603190542 of the Uralvagonzavod in the procurement register, Omsktransmash must upgrade the T-72B to the level of T-72B3. Under the terms of the agreement, the completion of the modernization is planned before the end of 2016. Repair price ₽2 525 984 345,88 (78,9 million per tank). The modernization of the tank includes the installation of: [10]

            sights "Pine-U" and 1A40-4;
            target tracking machine;
            radio station R-168-25U-2 and a complex of hardware and software AVSKU;
            guns type 2A46M-5-01;
            6P50 Kord anti-aircraft machine gun
            engine V-92S2F (1130 hp) with systems ensuring its operation;
            display complex driver and television rear view camera;
            caterpillar tracks with slanting lugs and driving wheels with improved cleanability;
            side body screens with integrated Relict-type dynamic protection modules and lattice projection screens of the MTO body;
            Completing a single spare tank kit:

            additional modules of dynamic protection in a “soft” case, which increase the resistance of the side projection of the case to anti-tank cumulative means, with the possibility of their equipment and hanging in operating conditions;
            modules of dynamic protection and lattice screens of the tower, increasing its resistance to anti-tank cumulative means and installed instead of boxes of spare parts for the tower, depending on the nature of the task;
            Also:

            finalization of the AZ, ensuring use with products S-1 and S-2;
            completion of tanks in terms of ensuring mine resistance, at which the specified event has not been completed.
            changes in the design of tanks, taking into account product modifications and years of release not specified in the contract, are not allowed, with the exception of cases of termination of production and the inability to restore standard components.
  10. Engineer
    Engineer 1 March 2016 14: 30
    18
    All this time for the Russian troops were purchased and continue to be purchased not new, but only modernized T-72B3 tanks with reduced characteristics

    An idiotic remark. These are tanks from the troops, which in Omsk will be upgraded to T-72B3 level and returned to the army again. At the Omsktransmash plant, the tanks are completely disassembled, they make anti-corrosion treatment of the hull, they weld niches for the installation of DZ, they put a new engine, a new gun, Sosna-U sight. This is called - the modernization of army equipment. No one is buying used tanks !!! the purchase of new tanks such as the T-90AM is many times more expensive, rearmament will take more than one year, but on the way Armata. So, to abandon it, put thousands of T-72s in the army for scrap and begin to rearm on T-90AM? Or buy both tanks at once? We are not the Union, 3 main tanks will not pull!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 March 2016 17: 16
      0
      The main thing is that they would buy new ammunition for the T 72B3.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 51
        +1
        They put new guns there. The modification is very serious.
    2. Now we are free
      Now we are free 2 March 2016 16: 32
      +1
      Quote: Engineer
      So, to abandon it, put thousands of T-72s in the army for scrap and begin to rearm on T-90AM? Or buy both tanks at once? We are not the Union, 3 main tanks will not pull!

      Thank you for your comment, and I would like to add for those who are upgrading the 72nd to the T-72BZ level ...
      B ...!
      1). Finally, make a remote controlled ZPU on the T-72BZ since you are remaking almost the entire tank and installing the newest "Kord" instead of the "Cliff".
      B ...!
      2). Seal up this "Hole" on the T-72BZ turret (to the right of the tank gun) with a DZ element.
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  11. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 1 March 2016 14: 42
    0
    Does it make sense to buy them? maybe there are plans for a quality breakthrough at the expense of Almaty?
    Although in the modernization of 72 then what is the point, only if it was ....
  12. Volgobalt
    Volgobalt 1 March 2016 14: 43
    +4
    Not there save the infection! It would be better on Serdyukov and their whores would save!
  13. starhina01
    starhina01 1 March 2016 14: 45
    0
    not new, but just modernized T-72B3 tanks with reduced characteristics were purchased for the Russian troops and continue to be purchased:
    but this is sadness crying
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 52
      +1
      The latest modification of the T-72B3 is better than the T-90A.
  14. GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 1 March 2016 14: 49
    +1
    I'd like to believe that the article is read, among other things, by the engineers and designers of Uralvagonzavod.
    1. 97110
      97110 1 March 2016 15: 28
      +3
      Quote: GSVG 86-88
      I'd like to believe that the article is read, among other things, by the engineers and designers of Uralvagonzavod.

      And what? Read and continue to live. How do they affect the configuration of a tank purchased under a specific contract? Vote at a union meeting? To address these issues, specially trained people should be. Trained in presidential programs, interns are scared to think where. But real engineers and designers should not break away from weeding cabbage. Or now there is no one to call the factory with such teams? Sadness ...
    2. DmitryK
      DmitryK 1 March 2016 15: 44
      0
      I hope the UVZ engineers draw their knowledge from scientific and academic sources.
  15. Romanenko
    Romanenko 1 March 2016 14: 56
    +4
    Let's leave the T-90 with its modifications aside for now. Let's talk about the T-72B3, how many times has this machine appeared in all its projections and will appear more than once on the screens of our boxes. The T-72 is a superclassic of the genre, it seems, and the sights have been updated and the thermal imager has been installed, but the dynamic protection on the tower is like the teeth of a periodontal patient - with gaps of two fists. I'm not a tanker, but I'm worried. And the irrepressible attachment of our army to this tank is also alarming. After all, by the will of the decisions of the Ministry of Defense, he remained the dominant male, not the T-80 and not the T-90, but the T-72, the oldest of all. It is clear that Armata is preparing with her entire family, it is clear that those T-72s that are shown on TV are probably cooler than some versions of the T-64. But there is still a huge number of T-72s in the troops, and they, knowing our army, are probably not as "vigorous" as the Alabinsk biathletes. There go and version "abruptly" by age and condition. But they are the very armored fist that should meet NATO and others like them. Doesn't it look like 1941? Reminds me. We must rather move away from Soviet-Serdyukovism, and this probably first of all should not look like another wave of modernization of the T-72, but its gradual withdrawal from the army with the current replacement by the T-90S and not in export modification, but like the machines of the Japanese - at home, that is, in full bloom, the Japanese correctly believe that the best versions in terms of equipment and saturation with innovations should first of all be with them, and for export - diluted, they love themselves, and why we don't love ourselves so much, Armata apparently, it won't be soon, so a reliable and more modern tank than the T-72 is needed. No matter how good the 72nd is, he is already just old and living out his life thanks to the bad memory of Mr. Taburetkin. Yes, the introduction of new T-90s requires money, as always there is no money in the country (when for something needed) 72 tanks can be sold, T-72s will be bought, they can be sold just on the wave of biathlon popularity, of course having previously made of them, for example, the T-72B4 version.
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 1 March 2016 15: 52
      -1
      Oh. Neither in the warehouse, nor in the way, kiss the cow ....
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 March 2016 15: 58
      +3
      Quote: Romanenko
      But there is still a huge number of T-72s in the troops, and they, knowing our army, are probably not as "vigorous" as the Alabinsk biathletes. There go and version "abruptly" by age and condition. But they are the very armored fist that should meet NATO and others like them.

      Everything is correct. It was to replace these tanks that the T-72B3 was made. And it is with them that we need to compare it.
      The T-72B3 is the development of the original concept of the T-72 tank as a mass tank in support of the T-64 / T-80 elite units. Even the USSR did not have the money to equip all BTVs with first-class tanks. What can we say about the Russian Federation.

      At the time of the decision on T-72B3, the vast majority of tank battalions were sitting on the T-72, issued back in the Soviet Union. And even if they had decided to purchase 100-120 T-90 per year, then these machines would still not be enough even to replace all tanks of the first line units in real time.
      Quote: Romanenko
      And the irrepressible attachment of our army to this tank is also alarming. After all, by the will of decisions of the Moscow Region, he remained the dominant male, not the T-80 and not the T-90, but the T-72, the oldest of all.

      In fact, the only factory producing the T-80 and its heir remained in Nezalezhnaya. Tank production LKZ died in the first term EBN.
      In recent years, the only enterprise working with the T-80 has remained 61 BTRZ in Strelna.
    3. Forest
      Forest 1 March 2016 16: 07
      0
      To replace all tanks in the army with a modern analogue based on the T-72, you need to sell 10-20 thousand tanks of various configurations. A modern tank costs 6-9 million dollars, used by 72 - 0,5-1,5 million. Is it too much? The Japanese generally do not export armored vehicles, especially tanks - the main part of them is the prehistoric Type 74, which will yield in some respects to the T-62.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 54
        +1
        Well, you are bent. T-90 costs about 3 million, and in my opinion not the worst modification ...
        1. Forest
          Forest 2 March 2016 19: 57
          0
          This is the price for Indian cars, either on 2001, or on 2003 year. And now the prices have jumped high.
  16. Velizariy
    Velizariy 1 March 2016 14: 56
    +2
    Quote: GSVG 86-88
    I'd like to believe that the article is read, among other things, by the engineers and designers of Uralvagonzavod.

    And they are perplexed about the stupidity or provocation of the authors of such statues.
  17. Jarserge
    Jarserge 1 March 2016 14: 56
    +1
    The so-called "experts" urgently need to fight, on a tank, on an infantry fighting vehicle, and then return to the topic of closed hatches. I would drive such "experts" with a broom
  18. Michael67
    Michael67 1 March 2016 14: 57
    +2
    Quote: i80186
    Quote: atalef
    Well then, in the summer of summer, nobody will close the hatches, and even with the hanger open.

    "Experts" are not our comrades at all. The hatch is open for sure because the gunner got out to watch the results of the shooting. By the way, evidence of this is clearly available information about the location of the ATGM launcher, the barrel looks exactly there. Surely before the missile was launched, they had already fired at the launcher's position and thought that the target had been destroyed.
    That's why the T-72 hatches are closed in the summer. Air conditioning delivered? smile

    This is all speculation.
    The fact in the open hatch, and the fact in undermining the warhead missiles.
    Everything else: If only, if only ...
    The fact is that ventilation is necessary.
    There are solutions to this problem.
  19. tulpar
    tulpar 1 March 2016 14: 57
    -8
    Complexes "TOW" in Syria received the nickname "Tamers of Assad"
  20. tulpar
    tulpar 1 March 2016 15: 05
    -4
    It has been noticed that since the spring of 2015, terrorist groups have been armed with TOW anti-tank guided missiles with Hughes / DRS AN / TAS-4 night guidance sights.
  21. fzr1000
    fzr1000 1 March 2016 15: 11
    +3
    I watched the video again. Not a specialist, but what is visible. A machine gun fired, but the tankman climbed out of a neighboring hatch. And TOU after the shot lowered the barrel, i.e. it turns out that the operator did not need to accompany the shell to the target, which means this is one of the latest modifications. The author of the article is superficial.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 1 March 2016 16: 30
      +1
      The adjustment of the flight of the rocket does not go through the STOL, but through the optical sight, which is located near and below ...
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 1 March 2016 17: 33
        0
        I meant that the correction was most likely not carried out by wire, which means that this is not the first modification of the TOU.
        And it also seems to me that the tank in the photo for the article, which is in the video, the machine gun is remotely controlled.
  22. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 1 March 2016 15: 16
    0
    In general, the article is about the fact that the ATGMs of the militants are old! Now, if new, then UXX !!! And air conditioners ... Our aircraft are not going to attack tropical countries. Our military strategy is defense. request
    1. Forest
      Forest 1 March 2016 16: 10
      0
      You get into the car in the heat in the summer, sit there, without opening windows, burn something, and sit like this for 6 hours.
  23. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 1 March 2016 15: 26
    0
    And I think in vain the Ministry of Defense refused to purchase the T-90. While Armata gets into the troops, while the tankers learn, while all the divisions are replaced, I think oh how much time will pass. Why is it bad today: "Breakthrough", "Vladimir", even if they serve in parallel, excellent tanks
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 1 March 2016 16: 00
      +4
      And then the Ministry of Defense was given one hundred billion millions and was offered to choose from t72 and t90., And they chose t72. Well stupid .... and they don’t read Military Review at all ...
  24. 0255
    0255 1 March 2016 15: 49
    +2
    According to him, Algeria, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan T-90С come with air conditioning. In Azerbaijan, for example, “in general, the most advanced version of the T-90C was installed, on which the latest version of the Shtora optical-electronic suppression system was also installed,” the article notes.
    At the same time, the Russian Defense Ministry's purchase of T-90 tanks stopped 5 years ago. “All this time, not new but only upgraded T-72B3 tanks with reduced characteristics were purchased and continue to be purchased for Russian troops: without the Curtains, without a closed machine-gun installation, without air conditioners and with outdated dynamic protection,” Romanov states.

    Logic, where are you ?! belay Well, why do we, Slavs, export all the best for export, and leave ourselves worse? So it was in the USSR, it remains so today in Russia and Belarus. Is this our such moronic national trait?
    The Azerbaijanis who slaughtered the Russians do not deserve new T-90s at all, until at least they apologize for the then "ethnic cleansing".
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 1 March 2016 15: 56
    -2
    The T-90 is an excellent tank, but it has a design flaw. All this wonderful electronic guidance, protection systems and air conditioning, require a breakthrough of electricity. To enable all this, you constantly need to drive the main engine. If the crew decided, or was forced, to save the resource, then it becomes clear why everything was turned off. American and others solve the problem by installing an additional generator to power the electronics in the parking lot. I remember when the epic with the T-90 was just beginning, the mass of copies was broken precisely around the need for additional. power, ours decided not to set. We see the result in the war, many thousands of beautiful appliances do not work due to ruble savings.
    1. Phaeton
      Phaeton 1 March 2016 16: 38
      +1
      On the T-90 there is APU what are you talking about?
  26. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 1 March 2016 16: 20
    -2
    Serdyukov’s case lives and wins! The head was cut off, but the organs remained.
  27. koshmarik
    koshmarik 1 March 2016 16: 43
    +1
    According to the "expert", it turns out that the Russian army is full of tanks. The best thing she has is the T-72B3, and even then in a truncated form. My advice to an expert is to immediately bring this information to at least Shoigu, and preferably to Putin, in order to take urgent measures to remedy the situation.
  28. vovan089
    vovan089 1 March 2016 17: 10
    0
    The dry closet under the seats of the crew, microwave oven, TV and computer in the tank is clearly not enough.
  29. HMR333
    HMR333 1 March 2016 17: 11
    0
    Well, in essence, there is no point in buying a T90 now, it’s a waste of money since they will soon begin to purchase armature! and modernization of the T72 should naturally be carried out and it is much cheaper and necessary until the armatures are fully purchased! because if they start to buy T90, then there will not be enough money to buy an armata!
  30. HMR333
    HMR333 1 March 2016 17: 18
    0
    the most interesting thing is that on YouTube many write about the curtain that they didn’t take away, but if I’m not mistaken, the rocket on the cord was controlled by the gunner and the curtain works against laser guidance and not optical in the sense of a cable, so why they write nonsense without even knowing how working vet is not difficult to find information!
  31. cyber
    cyber 1 March 2016 17: 19
    +4
    Why is abroad the best, but not for yourself? Yes, just the same T-72 abroad is not so easy to sell, or rather, most buyers simply will not buy it because of its obsolescence!

    When buying equipment, what do they pay attention to? On the technique of a potential enemy!
    What tanks can the T-72 fight on equal terms with? Who is the opponent of Azerbaijan? The adversary of Azerbaijan is Armenia! What tanks do Armenia have - T-72! Accordingly, would Azerbaijan buy a T-72? No, I would not buy, because superiority can provide only the T-90.

    Inside Russia, the situation is different. There are a huge number of tanks that can not withstand on equal terms with any modifications of the advanced NATO tanks. What do they decide to do? Increase the power of the gun, providing the ability to use new types of ammunition. Protection is changed mediocrely because the effect of parity with a likely enemy is planned to provide a corny large number of tanks. Given the weakness of the defense, optics, and the OMS - I think the probable loss of crews in a collision with NATO is high. At the same time, in the event of a collision with China (or hypothetically Ukraine), the chances of the T-72B3 will be quite high.
  32. Vadim237
    Vadim237 1 March 2016 17: 25
    0
    "According to the expert, if there was a T-90B72 in place of the T-3, the fighter would inevitably die." In fact, it was a T 90 release in the early 90s, it had a turret from a T 72B and the rocket hit the optical element of the Curtain, that is, the cumulative jet essentially went into the slippery slope of the tower - and there was nothing to do with any dynamic protection.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 1 March 2016 18: 59
      +1
      Those. DZ pulled out of fear, and not from getting on it?)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 March 2016 19: 35
        0
        But the missile didn’t fall into the dynamic defense, and there wasn’t any kind of DZ operation there.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 1 March 2016 19: 46
          +1
          What was the explosion? It seems that the missile is not OF.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 March 2016 18: 06
            0
            On YouTube, find the vows with firing from the TOW ATGM.
  33. rennim
    rennim 1 March 2016 17: 47
    0
    At the same time, "the main dynamic protection of Russian tanks, like more than a quarter of a century ago, is still Contact-5." Is it capable of neutralizing BGM-71F TOW-2B? “Russian gunsmiths have long ago created a third-generation dynamic protection“ Relikt ”, which even 10 years ago was even put into service, but due to some strange circumstances, the army has not yet begun to buy it.


    ... The same strange circumstance is the almost complete absence of manual anti-tank weapons, such as even the outdated "Vampire" superior to the RPG-7, which is actually the only such type of anti-armored vehicles in the RF Armed Forces.

    At the same time, the Russian Defense Ministry's purchase of T-90 tanks stopped 5 years ago. “All this time, not new but only upgraded T-72B3 tanks with reduced characteristics were purchased and continue to be purchased for Russian troops: without the Curtains, without a closed machine-gun installation, without air conditioners and with outdated dynamic protection,” Romanov states.


    It turns out a century-long worship of a foreigner and a complete disregard for the life and health of our own soldier and the people as a whole. When will we finally protect our own people? Why do we need a struggle for the life and well-being of strangers with complete indifference to our own. Then, in general, why do we need all these games to obtain supposedly better relations between the Russian Federation and the countries of the world? For whom? It doesn’t matter how much the wolf doesn’t feed, he will look into the forest ... passed.
    Probably, it is necessary to help such countries in certain areas. However, we must first of all think about the well-being and life of our own long-suffering people ...
  34. Sergei 88
    Sergei 88 1 March 2016 17: 47
    0
    Well, don’t blame military leaders for dishonesty so indiscriminately. A tank is not a crossover shm.arovozok, it also fights, and sometimes it gets into it. Maybe a condo will catch up with such a marshmallow when it is hit that the crew will die without an explosion.
  35. From Samara
    From Samara 1 March 2016 18: 58
    0
    I've always said that our designers are far from human ...
    1. rennim
      rennim 2 March 2016 10: 37
      0
      Our designers (of which there are less and less) are not far from man. Those who write TK are far from the person taking into account cost savings.
  36. rubidiy
    rubidiy 1 March 2016 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: Foxmara
    and there is NO time to upgrade.

    oh how interesting! And there was time for shit modernization of T72B3 ?! And no one even thought of canceling the order when Shoigu came after Serdyukov. And this was also the time. fool
  37. shadow
    shadow 1 March 2016 21: 27
    0
    Once again, I don't remember which one in a row, I will say: "Oh, these experts", especially foreign ones. One gets the impression that they stopped in the mid 70s and more, what was designed and produced they do not know, or do not want to know. And there is also a guess why this is happening? The fact is that American scientific thought stopped precisely at that period, and, in order to at least somehow be at the level of equipment of our army, they are simply a gateway to everyone, so that they would be afraid, but dig a little, so everything, zvizdets insists immediately. Here's one example. Why f 22 never took part in hostilities? And generally speaking. Why was it taken out of production if it is so good. The answer can be found in the article: f22 street of its pilots. I think everyone already knows about Abrams and RPG7.
  38. Zefr
    Zefr 2 March 2016 14: 37
    0
    But what if the refrigerant from the air conditioner does not lead to suffocation of the crew if the line is damaged? As far as I understand, due to the machinations of different figures, safe, and also, domestic refrigerants are prohibited. And poisonous and fire hazardous are used.
  39. dvg1959
    dvg1959 2 March 2016 20: 43
    0
    Outside, they are quite solid. How do these tanks look from the inside? Maybe there, for example, throw a grenade and the end of the tank "terminator".
  40. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 2 March 2016 21: 21
    0
    There will be air conditioners. Not immediately, of course. Of course in vain the hatch was opened. Still, they waved the flag. The heat of the bones does not break. Shoot, close everything that closes. Of course there is a limit of possibilities. But here it was possible to work.
  41. ProtectRusOrDie
    ProtectRusOrDie 3 March 2016 09: 28
    0
    Quote: dmi.pris
    The quality of the training of specialists in the Syrian army is of course low, however this applies to all Arabs. There is also the fear of being smeared and the heat and carelessness ... They would smear from "Jewellin" - there would be an omelette for everyone ... However, in this case, it is unlikely that they were closed hatches ..


    On the territory of Syria (regardless of the identity of the troops) at least ONE Javelin is / was found?
    The phrase in the spirit of "if grandmother's" ... I especially liked the ending - and "However, in this case, it is unlikely that anything saved them, even the closed hatches."
    Recalled an excerpt in one of the books of the Stalker series -

    "A laborer inclined to drunkenness will not get rich, and he who puts a little on a little will gradually fall into decay. Wine and women will corrupt the intelligent, but he who associates with harlots will become even bolder; rot and worms will inherit him, and the insolent soul will be destroyed, - with Father Dormidont said with fire in his eyes. - But pour it. Besides, it's really bad with harlots here, men. " ))))

    What are you, right word.