Khrushchev against Soviet industry

N. Khrushchev not only undermined the country's agriculture, laying under it "mines" that would undermine the development of this industry for decades, but also caused serious damage to the industry. It was under Khrushchev that Stalin's big projects were destroyed, which continued the development of the infrastructure of a huge country and formed the foundation of the world's greatest superpower. In addition, under Khrushchev, the Soviet Union began to focus on the import of goods, and dependence on imports was created, which after the death of the USSR acquired a character that undermines the country's national security.

Almost immediately after Stalin’s death (or murder), the Stalinist economic policy was abolished de facto by a decree of the USSR Council of Ministers dated 21 in March 1953. But Stalin’s policy in the development of the national economy allowed the USSR to destroy the gap from the advanced Western powers in one jerk; to prepare the country for war with virtually all of Europe, led by Hitler's Germany, and to win this terrible war; in the shortest possible time to restore the destroyed economy; show great growth rates - “the Soviet miracle”; to make an unprecedented breakthrough in the field of military, rocket, nuclear (including the peaceful atom) and space technologies, etc.

Hiding behind the fact that the development of a number of infrastructure projects in the field of hydraulic structures, railways, highways and enterprises, “is not caused by the urgent needs of the national economy, The USSR Council of Ministers decided to stop building:

- hydraulic structures - the Main Turkmen Channel; gravity channel Volga — Ural; Volga-Baltic Waterway (second line); waterworks on the Lower Don; Ust-Donetsk port;

- railways and highways: the Chum-Salekhard-Igarka railway (the so-called Polar Transsib, which is of great strategic and economic importance for Russia), including ship repair shops, a port and a village in the Igarki region; Komsomolsk — Pobedino railway; tunnel under the Tatar Strait; Apatity — Cave — Ponoy railway; railway Varfolomevka — Chuguevka - Olga bay; Chuguevka — Sergeevka railway; Arkhangelsk — Ruchi — Mezen railway; Krasnoyarsk-Yeniseisk railway; the railway Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky — Ust-Bolsheretsk; motorway Ust-Bolsheretsk — Ozerovsky fish factory; highways on the Kola Peninsula, in the Arkhangelsk and Murmansk regions and on the coast of the Baltic Sea;

- industrial enterprises - Kirov Chemical Plant; Montenegrin artificial liquid fuel plant; Aralichevsk artificial liquid fuel plant; shipyard metal shipbuilding in Osetrovo.

The ministries obliged, within two weeks, to work out and submit to the USSR Council of Ministers measures for the conservation or liquidation indicated in the constructions. In particular, the Ministry of Defense was supposed to stop picking up two road-building divisions, which were entrusted with the construction of the Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky-Ust-Bolsheretsk railway and the Ust-Bolsheretsk-Ozerkovsky fish factory; to disband the road military construction units formed to carry out road construction works on the Kola Peninsula, in the Arkhangelsk Region and on the Baltic Sea coast.

It is worth noting that, under Stalin, even at the beginning of 1950-s about 20, the economic and transport research institutes of the USSR and before 40 all-union and republican ministries of economic profile presented a jointly developed forecast of disproportions in the Soviet economy. It was reported that in many regions it is necessary to develop energy, industrial capacity, including on the basis of local raw materials, as well as transport infrastructure. Otherwise, these regions will be less and less involved in trade with other regions. And this problem was the most urgent for the RSFSR (the modern Russian Federation). And these problems were planned to be solved with 1953 of the year.

It is characteristic that in some other Union republics only some projects were “frozen” or canceled. The situation was similar in the social bloc countries. “Stalinist” projects in the socialist countries were not canceled. Moscow has not audited plans for financial, economic, scientific and technical assistance from the USSR, including industrial, transport, energy, and other projects. As a result, the economic growth rates in all socialist countries from the middle of the 1950's to the beginning of the 1980's were at least one third higher than in the USSR and by half, or even twice as much as in the RSFSR.

Thus, at the expense of the indigenous Russian lands, the priority development of national suburbs proceeded, and the “fraternal” socialist countries supported, most of which, after 1991, easily switched to the NATO camp, spitting on the merits of the Russians in development from countries.

However, by the will of Khrushchev and Khrushchev, the industrialization of Russia was suspended. The industrial program 1953-1955 was canceled. In the USSR, emphasis was placed on agriculture and, mainly, on the development of vast virgin and fallow lands. It took time, big money, abandoned people and equipment. All this was allowed to be sprayed, on the unprepared and excessive development of virgin lands. But the worst thing is that a considerable amount of enthusiasm and labor pressure of the most energetic part of Soviet society went there. This seriously slowed down the industrial development of the USSR.

True, it is worth remembering during the reign of Brezhnev in 1960-x - the beginning of 1980-s of some of these projects still implemented. I had to recall the Stalinist projects. At the same time, no one dared to say that the “anti-industrial” government decree of March 21 of 1953 turned out to be erroneous or even criminal. Some of the Stalinist projects are also remembered in modern Russia. "Polar Trans-Siberian Railway", a tunnel under the Tatar Strait, the construction of railways and highways on the coast of the Gulf of Finland, the Baltic and Barents Seas, etc., are all relevant at the present time. Especially when the question of the survival of the Russian Federation is a new industrialization.

In this way, Khrushchev’s policy has caused enormous damage to the economy of the Soviet Union, and especially the RSFSR (Russia). First, due to the cancellation or long-term preservation of the projects of many ports and land arteries, the Soviet Union in 1960-1980-s (and for the same reason the modern Russian Federation) suffered great damage in the field of maritime transport, the development of ports and Overall, in the competitiveness of the domestic transport infrastructure. The USSR had to spend large sums on the transit of its goods through neighboring states. The same disease was inherited by the Russian Federation, which was forced to use the transit capabilities of the Baltic countries, Finland, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Turkey, Iran and China. At the present time, when Russia was on the verge of war with Ukraine and Turkey, and also under pressure from the US and EU countries, this problem has become especially obvious. And this is not only the problem of losing money, but strategic security, the stability of Russia in the conditions of the start of world war.

Secondly, the issue of disproportions in interregional transport and economic relations was not resolved.

Third, the problem of industrial and complex development of many regions of the RSFSR (modern Russia) arose. First of all it concerns the vast northern, Siberian and Far Eastern territories. For example, many areas of the Russian North, Northern Urals, Siberia, and the Far East of Russia are still either very poorly connected or not connected at all with each other or with other regions of the country.

Fourthly, the resources, funds and creative, creative potential of people spent on the priority development of the national republics of the USSR and the social bloc countries, to the detriment of the development of the core of the Russian (Soviet) civilization - the RSFSR-Russia.

Other "imbalances"

In 1957, the course was set for the decentralization of the national economy. Branch ministries, allied and republican, were liquidated. Instead, they began to create economic councils (councils of the national economy) on a territorial basis. In one or another area, factories and plants, which often belonged to different departments and branches, began to be united under general management.

This led to chaos, disruption of supply and financing, severing of industry connections and other negative processes. As a result, economic councils began to be enlarged, republican, and then all-union, regional governments were created over regional ones. However, the situation is not straightened. After the resignation of Khrushchev, it was decided to abandon economic councils and return to the sectoral management system. Industrial ministries restored.

There were other "imbalances." Under Stalin, during industrialization and post-war reconstruction, priorities were given to heavy industry, the production of means of production. Then it was justified. However, under Khrushchev, the bias in favor of heavy industry even exceeded that of Stalin. If in 1954, heavy industry accounted for 70% of products, by the beginning of 1960-s, the list reached 75%. Consumer goods simply began to disappear from the shelves. And this while the destruction of agriculture - virgin, corn, meat, dairy campaigns.

Liquidation of "Stalinist entrepreneurs"

It would seem, what business can be under Stalin? Many immediately recall the stereotypes lost from school: the command-administrative system, the planned economy, the construction of developed socialism, the NEP have long been covered. However, under Stalin, entrepreneurship developed, and even very powerful. So far, Trotskyist Khrushchev in 1956 did not cover and liquidated this sector of the national economy along with the private plots permitted under Stalin.

Under Stalin, it was a very strong sector of the country's economy, which even during the war years produced weapon and ammunition. In Stalin’s USSR, entrepreneurship — in the form of production and trade artels — was strongly and fully supported. As a result, in the Soviet state, after Stalin, there remained 114 thousand workshops and enterprises of various directions - from the food industry and metalworking to the jewelry and chemical industries! About 2 million people worked at these enterprises; they produced almost 6% of the gross industrial output of the Union. Moreover, artels and cooperatives produced 40% of furniture, 70% of metalware, more than a third of all knitwear, almost all children's toys. That is, entrepreneurs played an important role in light industry, the most problematic sector of the Soviet Union. About 100 design bureaus, 22 experimental laboratories and even two research institutes worked in the business sector.

Enterprises produced not only such simplest objects as children's toys, but practically all the necessary household items: in the post-war years in the provincial backyard, up to 40% of all items that were in the house (dishes, furniture, shoes, clothes, etc.) ), as well as complex objects (the first Soviet lamp receivers, the first radio radiators in the USSR, the first cathode-ray television sets).

Thus, a special model was actively formed in the Stalin Empire, when private entrepreneurship rationally supplemented state industry; entrepreneurship developed now, productive, not parasitic-speculative, spawned during the years of Gorbachev's “perestroika” and the liberal reforms of the 1990's.

Khrushchev "perestroika-1" destroyed all this. Within a few years, many of what was cultivated, grown for decades, was destroyed. In 1956, it was decided by 1960 to fully transfer to the state all the artisan enterprises. They made an exception only for small-scale consumer services, art crafts, and artels of disabled people, but they were forbidden to carry out regular retail sales of their products. Art property was alienated free of charge. It was unfair. The property of the artels was honestly acquired by hard work and often by the efforts of many years and even decades. This property served society, was productive. Private production, which organically supplemented the state industry, was destroyed.

Comments

[Robbihood]

In order of additional information. The named northern construction sites of the so-called The Trans-Siberian Trans-Siberian Railway, 1947-1953, became an elementary building for nobody. The contractor, the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR ran out of labor - prisoners. S / c.
In a ruined country, where half of the inhabitants huddled in huts and dugouts, at that moment the construction of railways on permafrost was not the most important thing. And then, they didn’t return to these dubious construction sites.

[siberalt]

Why so many articles about Khrushchev? I would write right away what he is not to blame or that he is to blame for everything. Why so rapekat then? The word seems to be money

[siberalt]

From Zhvanetsky - "let's argue about the taste of pineapple with those who ate them." I lived under Khrushchev. There were many jokes about him, but the country really developed. Roads, houses, factories were built. After the monetary reform, food prices increased slightly, but decreased for manufactured goods. It was with him that television, refrigerators and the same washing machines came to homes. And this is our story, gentlemen, critics. And the history of the Fatherland must first be respected, and not find fault with it, sawing in parts by the length of the reign of this or that head of state. Those who have not lived in barracks will not understand this. Something like this.

[Robbihood]

How could this author not write about the collapse of Soviet science under Khrushchev, to the heap?
In the 50s - the first half of the 60s. The Soviet Union has made great strides in many areas. Russian science was making huge strides forward. In 1954, the first nuclear power plant in the world was launched in the USSR in Obninsk. The system of the Academy of Sciences was developing. In 1957, a decision was made to establish a large scientific center - the Siberian Branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences. The construction of a scientific town ("Akademgorodok") began in the Novosibirsk region, which a few years later turned into a major research center. At the same time, there was a process of creating branch academies: medical, agricultural, pedagogical, architecture and construction.
Significant successes were achieved by Soviet science in the field of atomic nucleus physics and semiconductor physics. In 1957, the most powerful particle accelerator in the world, the synchrophasotron, began to operate in the country. At the same time, the joint Institute for Nuclear Research launched its research. Scientific developments were accompanied by a process of staff growth in quantitative terms. According to official figures, in 1950 in the USSR there were 162,5 thousand scientific works, and in 1960 - 354,2 thousand.
A real revolution in the consciousness of people took place after the launch of the first Soviet satellite on October 4, 1957. Several years later, on April 12, 1961, Yu. A. Gagarin on the Vostok spacecraft made the first ever flight around the globe. Human space exploration began.
A significant share of the difficulties experienced by the peoples of the USSR in the 50s and subsequent years was associated with the need to mobilize huge human and material resources in order to complete research and technical projects for the production of nuclear weapons in the shortest possible time. A large number of prominent scientists were forced to deal with defense problems. Impressive results in this direction were achieved already at the beginning of the 50s. Thus, in 1954, an air-to-air missile was adopted by the Air Force fighter aviation, aiming at a target using a radar beam. In 1959, an air-to-ground missile was adopted by the Air Force's strategic aviation, which could be launched from a heavy bomber 200 km away from the target and at the same time carry a nuclear warhead. In the same year, a group of scientists led by S.P.Korolev developed a silo version of the R-9 ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear charge.
Nuclear installations were used as power plants on ships (the nuclear icebreaker "Lenin") and on submarines. The priority areas of scientific and technical policy were the problems of nuclear physics, rocket and aviation technology.

[wax]

However, for all these achievements during the reign of Khrushchev, his legs were laid in the Stalin period. It takes years and years to bring innovation to mind. Gagarin's flight is the pinnacle of Stalin's projects. The inertia of such gigantic projects is at least ten years old. Even in agriculture, the return on investment does not occur earlier than three years, but in livestock production even more. The same inertia and destruction. The Ukrainians, many represented in power since the revolution, never had imperial thinking.

[dpu]

All these "Khrushchev" achievements are based on the Stalinist foundation. Why not remember corn in the Arctic Circle and cotton in the Kuban. And how the planes were cut, which suddenly became no longer needed, "as there are missiles!" And how Khrushchev drove the military 12000000 people into the street. They also turned out to be unnecessary, at the pre-retirement age. And the mass executions of workers for taking to the streets? The bloodthirsty Stalin had never thought of this before. And the liberal Khrushch of the workers took the job for a great life and shot. And the famous Tu-22M in illegal conditions under Khrushchev began to be created, because the Tupolev design bureau could disperse this%.

[NordUral]

Khrushchev appropriated all this - understandably, but why should you ascribe this to him?

[sergo42]

Quote: siberalt

It was with him that television, refrigerators, and the same washing machines came to the houses.

All this did not come with Khrushchev, but with the development of science and technology. In Samara, after all his reforms (for example, I remember that private milk really disappeared in the city and meat was forced to slaughter all the livestock), this whistle was whistled right in the square, and his mouth was not opened. Revenge avenged, after a while the supply of the city decreased, many goods disappeared.
And in the history of the Fatherland there are both glorious moments and shameful ones.

[NordUral]

I also lived at this time, and not a baby. And I saw that the country was developing, as I saw a lot of bad and bad and good, I could much later. And it’s clear to me now that the country was developing on a Stalinist backlog, and it was falling, breaking with the hands of this, so to speak, comrade.

[Trailer]

What kind of illiterate wrote an article?

[vlavek]

Instead of roads on the Kola Peninsula and other such crap Khrushchev gave housing to millions of ordinary people! But about this the current patriots -> for some reason, the patriots do not want to remember

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: vlavek

Instead of roads on the Kola Peninsula and other similar crap Khrushchev gave housing

Ah, validol! Such comments sometimes, just fire! Well then, I would like to wish you to live your whole life in Khrushchev and ride a horse everywhere

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Well then, I would like to wish you to live your whole life in Khrushchev and ride a horse everywhere

And would you like to live in a Stalin hut or a communal apartment all your life ?!
And apparently, also in the outback of the Kola Peninsula, since you are so worried about the road not built there!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Mr. PIP

And would you like to live in a Stalin hut or a communal apartment all your life ?!

In such a hut as in the photo? I'm not against
And we lived in a communal apartment. Better than in the hut. In Khrushchev better than in a communal apartment. In the socket is better than in Khrushchev. What is the bazaar for?

Quote: Mr. PIP

And apparently, also in the outback of the Kola Peninsula, since you are so worried about the road not built there!

And imagine, there is life there too! It's a little closer than Mars. There are schools, hospitals, shops, cinemas ... Believe it or not, there is even television and the Internet. And people are not very comfortable in the snow on horses to ride in frost. But "extra" roads would not hurt at all. And certainly stupidity would not be enough to call the road a crap

[lopvlad]

Quote: robbihood

it became elementary no one to build. The contractor, the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR ran out of labor - prisoners.

this liberal bogey about the fact that "everything was built by prisoners under Stalin." At the same time, the authors of this myth over the hill built the US industry exclusively on the slave labor of blacks, then on the slave labor of immigrants and then on the slave labor of its citizens (for this, the operation "defarming ", devalued bank deposits and raised taxes. As a result, millions of US citizens were thrown into the streets with their families from their homes and farms. After that, the US government received millions of citizens who could be hired to work for food, which was done.
As a result, in the United States we have an infrastructure built for a penny, paid for by the millions of lives of ordinary Americans and the untouched war.

[sergo42]

Now they’re coming back again. So not so dubious

[NordUral]

They were not doubtful. Now, it seems very dubious to me to shy away from one project to another with the subsequent oblivion of all of them, Olympiads, world championships, etc.

[Robbihood]

The construction of the Salekhard - Igarka railway along the Arctic Circle, also known as the "dead road", can be considered one of the most ambitious projects of the Gulag. On April 22, 1947, the Council of Ministers, in Secret Resolution No. 1255-331-ss, decided to start building a large seaport in the Gulf of Ob in the area of ​​Cape Kamenny and a railway from st. Chum (south of Vorkuta) to the port. The need to build a railroad was caused by two reasons: economic - the development of northern territories, rich in minerals and military-strategic - the protection of the Arctic coast. The idea of ​​construction belongs to Stalin himself: "We must take up the North, Siberia is not covered by anything from the North, and the political situation is very dangerous." The construction was entrusted to the Main Directorate of the Camp Railway Construction (GULZHDS), which was part of the GULAG system. The main labor force was prisoners and exiles. Civilians were a small number and occupied mainly leadership positions.

By the end of 1948, the Chum - Labytnangi branch (a village at the mouth of the Ob) was built with a length of 196 km. By the same time, it turned out that in the area of ​​Cape Kamenny, the construction of a seaport is impossible due to hydrogeological features. However, the idea of ​​creating a polar port on the Northern Sea Route was not abandoned. It was proposed to move the port to the Igarka region (north of the Krasnoyarsk Territory), for which it was necessary to continue the Chum - Labytnangi line to the east. Two construction departments were created: No. 501 with a center in Salekhard and No. 503 in Igarka (the offices had numbers because the construction was classified). The construction of the railway was carried out towards each other.

According to archival sources, the approximate number of prisoners on the entire Salekhard - Igarka highway ranged from 80 to 100 thousand. Despite the harsh natural conditions: frosts under 50 degrees, swamps, impassability, hens, the road was erected at a fast pace. By the beginning of 1953, about 800 km of the projected 1482 km were built. In the western section, the Chum - Salekhard branch was completely built. From Salekhard to Nadym, a labor movement was opened. In the central section - from the Bolshaya Hetta River to the Pur River, 150 km of the subgrade were laid. In the eastern sector, from Ermakovo to Yanov Stan on the Turukhan River, a labor movement was opened. On the rivers Ob and Yenisei ferry-ice crossing operated. The central section of the construction site, between Pur and Taz, remained unfinished. In 1953, shortly after the death of Stalin, the government decided to preserve the construction site and its subsequent liquidation.

Unlike other "great construction projects of communism," the Northern Railway turned out to be a dead road. Several billion rubles were spent on the construction. On its elimination in 1953 alone, 78 million rubles were spent. (at the prices of that time). But it was not possible to take out a huge amount of material values ​​(due to the remoteness from settlements and the lack of transport). Much of the equipment, furniture, clothing was destroyed in front of the inhabitants of the railway settlements. There were abandoned steam locomotives, empty barracks, kilometers of barbed wire and thousands of dead prisoners-builders, the price of their lives defying any bookkeeping.

Now railway. the Salekhard - Igarka route is similar to the zone from the film "Stalker" by A. Tarkovsky: the permafrost has twisted rails, raised bridges, washed out embankments, destroyed barracks, overturned steam locomotives.

[Igor39]

Now get a bunch of cons

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Igor39

Now get a bunch of cons

Yes, and most importantly - for what ?!
After all, if Stalin was such a good ruler that he was almost a saint, then the ZK for the most part sat for the cause, and what's wrong with that ?! Vaughn already write below that "they planted a little"

[avt]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Now get a bunch of cons

Quote: Mr. PIP

Yes, and most importantly - for what ?!

Well, probably because now the same port of Sabet is being built and the railway is being pulled again in the north and to Yakutia. Doesn't heave anything on the thought? Here's another bridge to Sakhalin, but it will definitely not work - the Crimean one is more important. Yes, at the same time you will not tell me what NEW factories, well, except for those that the Stalinist People's Commissar Lomako laid and built in non-ferrous metallurgy, which privatized the prokhoropotaninskie nornickels are still built? Did Stalin also interfere? Nutipa can't build - no ZK? But what about the effective managerial office of the present, well, which could not launch the same "seven" from the East on time?

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: avt

Also did Stalin interfere?

And what did Putin bother you with, in the news about Khrushchev ?!
You "educational program" to conduct than the market economy differs from the "administrative"?

Quote: avt

They cannot build Nutip - ZK is not?

Well, why only ZK?
Let's remember that under Stalin we "built" on American equipment and often with the involvement of American specialists selling grain to a starving and dying population from this hunger?
And under Khrushchev, they began to sell oil, in total under Stalin they sold grain and bought equipment to produce tanks, under Khrushchev we are still selling oil and buying food so that it IS - how we were a "supplier of raw materials" for Western countries under Stalin, can you tell us why - about GURU OF ECONOMY ?!
At the same time, can you tell us how the "fetish" that under Stalin everything was good, and then everything is bad, is combined with the fact that after Stalin we really began to live better?

[avt]

Quote: Mr. PIP

You "educational program" to conduct than the market economy differs from the "administrative"?

Holy is holy, is it really from the sect of the Gaidar Witnesses "praying to the all-regulating market"? It can be seen that from the "education"

Quote: Mr. PIP

total, under Stalin, they sold grain and bought equipment to produce tanks,

Since the little one was mad at her, Anastas Mikoyan, on behalf of the party and the government, bought in bulk not only tanks and tractor factories, but also equipment for processing and making canned food and other EQUIPMENT for the food industry. But Stalin did sell grain .... since technology and equipment were not sold to him on credit, but exclusively for currency and gold, and they were prescribed for a grain in a separate line, moreover, they knew the situation of peasants and famine in the USSR.

Quote: Mr. PIP

At the same time, can you tell us how the "fetish" that under Stalin everything was good, and then everything is bad, is combined with the fact that after Stalin we really began to live better?

All ? Blown away? Well, if it happened

Quote: Mr. PIP

about the GURU OF ECONOMY ?!

Quote: Mr. PIP

as a "fetish" that under Stalin everything was fine,

Where at least once did I say that under Stalin they lived better than now? Quote in the studio. “Times are not chosen, they live and die.” But this is exactly what I am convinced of - they used to live simpler, but more worthy, as evidenced by those volunteers who put their well-fed lives on the front for your present life and under the leadership of the Party and Stalin, whoever sings the song of songs about the "club of the people's anger", that's how the people themselves took and pa-a-a-went who worked at the plant, and who beat the Germans, and bloody Stalin more and more to him and Nykyta Sergevich, especially in the summer of 1942, near Kharkov, then a member of the military council of the front, he interfered with the Beria detachments to fight, so they rolled back to Stalingrad.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: avt

really from the sect "Witnesses Gaidarov"

Mustache is clear with you, in your opinion, if a person is "not for Stalin," then he is "for Gaidar."
However, you have modest knowledge of the social sciences.
Although this is not surprising, in the USSR social sciences were prohibited, they prevented a truly Soviet person from praying for the religion of "Marxism-Leninism"

Quote: avt

But Stalin did sell grain .... since technology and equipment were not sold to him on credit

Stalin was selling grain because he had nothing more to sell!
Because the same "American" cars produced in the USSR, compared to their American relatives, were worse than the Chinese ones in the 80s and 90s.
In the USA, cars often traveled more than 100 thousand km a year. and did not break. In the USSR, they drove 10-20 thousand km. and at the same time at least 50% of the entire vehicle fleet was stuck in the service - while all the goods produced by us were not only several times lower in quality, but also had several times higher cost price - that's why we sold grain and oil later, because practically all of our the industry was for the distillation of ore into scrap metal - you can continue to be proud of the growth rate of scrap metal under Stalin "Stalinist"!

Quote: avt

Where at least once I said that under Stalin they lived better than now

Where did I say that I am categorically against "industrialization and collectivization" that you write me down as "Gaidar's supporters"?

Quote: avt

those volunteers who at the front of life laid for your current life well-fed and under the leadership of the party and Stalin

You would be ashamed to use the dead for your own purposes
They went to the front precisely because there was nowhere to go - Hitler's goals were the destruction of the Russian people.
And they didn’t go to the factory because of patriotism, but in order not to die of starvation, too, they gave bread to the factory for work.
But "the party and Stalin" must be thanked, for the mediocre commanders and the famine in the country - you know, too, not a single million additional victims!

[ava09]

(C) To you "educational program" to conduct how the market economy differs from the "administrative" one? (FROM)
Amazing self-confidence ...) An entry-level man in the street, having listened to the tales of his "economic" gurus, conducts educational programs on economics! Remember once and for all - the concept of "economy" cannot stand after the market because the "market" is only a component of the economy, and by no means the most important one.
(C) Economics (from other Greek: οἶκος - house, household, housekeeping and νόμος - nom, management territory and rule, law, literally "house management rules") [1] - the company's economic activity, as well as the totality relations emerging in the system of production, distribution, exchange and consumption. (C)
Therefore, the "market economy" is a degenerate, not viable ub.l.y.d.o.k. Yakovleva, Gorbacherta, Gaidar & CO. The main thing in economics is the PRODUCTION of material values, not the "market" ...

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: ava09

Therefore, the "market economy" is a degenerate, not viable ub.l.y.d.o.k. Yakovleva, Gorbacherta, Gaidar & CO. The main thing in economics is the PRODUCTION of material values, not the "market"

Everything is clear, you also have ideology instead of knowledge - and the "market" is somewhat different!

[NordUral]

Have you lived under Stalin for at least a couple of years?

[NordUral]

The question is - who planted and who planted. And for what.

[Robbihood]

Quote: Igor39

now get a bunch of cons

I thought you were joking, colleague. But no. Although spiteful for simple information - I really do not know what kind of people. And the article is simply sucked out of the fingers. Forgery, i.e. impudent lies begins with the first lines.
"" "Almost immediately after the death (or murder) of Stalin, the decision of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of March 21, 1953 de facto canceled the Stalinist economic policy.
Hiding behind the fact that the development of a number of infrastructure projects in the field of hydraulic structures, railways, highways and enterprises, “is not caused by the urgent needs of the national economy, the Council of Ministers of the USSR decided to stop construction:" "" Quote.
After all, any information is now open. Stalin died on March 6, 1953.
Formally, Stalin by 1953 was only the head of the country's executive branch (Chairman of the Council of Ministers). That is why Georgy Malenkov, who succeeded him in this post, who was the unspoken successor of Stalin, became the new leader and head of state. Malenkov headed the Council of Ministers until 1955. In 1955, Khrushchev ousted Malenkov from the post of Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the power finally passed into his hands. From 1958 until his retirement, he combines the post of Chairman of the Council of Ministers and the head of the party.
Any schoolchild knows this. And all the rest - crackling phrases. "Having lied once - who will believe you." The Bible. I don’t know by whose order the author is dancing on the grave of a politician who died long ago. Yes, and he coined the term - Khrushchevism. The term first appeared in VO in its own publication in 2011. The same rehash. And as for the cons - I will not suffer.

[ava09]

Quote: robbihood

Although angry at simple information - I really don’t know what kind of people. And the article is simply sucked out of the fingers.

It turns out that the "British robber" exudes only "simple information", and those with whom he does not agree "suck it out of their fingers". But no, there are ideological barricades.

Quote: robbihood

I do not know by whose order the author is dancing on the grave of a politician who has already died. Yes, and coined the term-Khrushchev.

The author of the article begins to understand the origins of the destruction of the USSR, and "Robingood" really does not want this. But he probably does not know that in China, which "does not care" about the rest of the world. textbooks are published on the reasons for the collapse of the USSR.

[Sirocco]

Quote: robbihood

. The main labor force was prisoners and exiles.

Quote: robbihood

Unlike other "great construction projects of communism," the Northern Railway turned out to be a dead road.

Well, the Good Robber))))
Let's go, I suppose that liberal citizens of the Soviet Union worked there, I would like to see our liberals there today too, well, I really dream. The fact that there were excesses in the actions of organs, yes they were. (It must be remembered thanks to whom and whose denunciations they were overbought like that) But if it were not for the purge from the liberals, then Hitler would have been greeted with bread and salt, which our opposition is now proposing to the modern government.
Now about your nickname, very interesting, it's like Fox and Venues cannot be changed Good fox, robbed everyone, and handed out to the poor, which in principle is not possible with robbers.

[Robbihood]

Quote: Sirocco

Let's go, I suppose that liberal citizens of the Soviet Union worked there, I would like to see our liberals there today too, well, I really dream. The fact that there were excesses in the actions of organs, yes they were.

And why are you sure, in your dreams, that you will be a whip, not a convict? The coin has two sides. "Do not give up prison and money." So, in my opinion.

[Sirocco]

Quote: robbihood

And why are you sure, in your dreams, that you will be a whip, not a convict? The coin has two sides. "Do not give up prison and money." So, in my opinion.

I'm sorry to be late with the reply.
Who told you that I dream about your profession as a guardian? I did not say a word. Or is the hat on the thief?
Now about IT))))))

"Do not give up prison and money"

You my friend is not the case from over the hill? the baby knows about this. And rightly so, in Russia they say so, From prison and sumy do not renounce.

[Just a man]

You are right, the client burned

[bistrov.]

At one time I had to visit Labytnangi, to which the railway is still operating, and then an abandoned one begins, which stretches for many hundreds of kilometers. It really makes a strange impression, as if you were in a "special zone" from Tarkovsky's films. Hundreds of millions of rubles, it turns out, have been wasted. It was necessary, of course, to complete this road. On the other hand, even the operating Northern Railway. to Vorkuta, gradually declines. There is less and less traffic on it. Many stations and special facilities are simply abandoned and destroyed. With a pain in my heart I looked at the destroyed depot at the station. Upper Inta with a collapsed roof, where he worked, on abandoned dilapidated residential buildings with empty eye sockets of windows, on well-preserved service premises of Kozhim station, where there is even furniture, It seems that people took and just disappeared somewhere, nothing with them taking. But life was in full swing here in the 70-80s. Housing was sorely lacking. What happened? Has it become all unnecessary?

[iury.vorgul]

Dear comrade. What are you talking about Labytnangi (not Louboutins) or Igarka write. I live in the center of Russia (Tula region). So we have already abandoned half of the railway, and with the policy that Russian Railways conducts, the rest half will soon collapse.

[tundra]

Well, the road was needed, and now it is needed, even more than at that time. Of course, the construction methods were awful, the road is really necessary. And this is now with proven reserves of hydrocarbons, well, I think even then they were talking about underground storerooms.

[Wheel]

Robbihood, and why did you bring this post?
To shed a niggardly tear over the "innocent" zk?
So in the post-war years, the main contingent of the defense were former policemen, Bandera, forest brothers and other riffraff ...
I don’t feel like crying for them, you know ...
Or to show that this road in FIG is not needed?
So again, I will disappoint.
The Urengoy - Nadym site was restored in the 70s.
Now there is OJSC “Yamal Railway Company” whose plans include:
- completion and restoration of the railway line Obskaya - Salekhard - Nadym;
- completion and restoration of the Korotchaevo-Igarka line.

Why did it happen?

[avt]

Quote: Wheel

So again, I will disappoint.
The Urengoy - Nadym site was restored in the 70s.
Now there is OJSC “Yamal Railway Company” whose plans include:
- completion and restoration of the railway line Obskaya - Salekhard - Nadym;
- completion and restoration of the Korotchaevo-Igarka line.

Why did it happen?

This is ... like him .... STALINISM! And they are probably already building the victims of Putin's bloody regime !? Well, with Bolotnaya. I don’t know the guys.

[Robbihood]

The Urengoy - Nadym site was restored in the 70s.
Now there is OJSC “Yamal Railway Company” whose plans include:
- completion and restoration of the railway line Obskaya - Salekhard - Nadym;
- completion and restoration of the Korotchaevo-Igarka line.
Very well. So the time has come. We considered that it would be ECONOMICALLY profitable. Yes, and construction technology, I’m sure, can not be compared with the former. A little aware of this issue. And the post-war contingent of the camps, as you rightly noted, could very well work out the sins of restoring infrastructure and building housing. Ie on the essential. Here, in Minsk, the main avenue, included in the UNESCO list of architectural heritage, was built mainly by captured Germans. Relatives saw it all.

[Wheel]

Quote: robbihood

Very well. So the time has come. We considered that it would be ECONOMICALLY profitable.

It was economically beneficial in those days.
One thing that provided year-round communication with Norilsk is worth a lot.
We must not forget that in the Norilsk region there are still rich deposits of coal (they did not yet know about Siberian oil, but the development of oil wealth if this road existed would have been much cheaper).

[parusnik]

The work on creating forest belts in the steppe regions of the country was curtailed .. Purpose, protection from winds, snow retention .. Yes, the forest belt itself and the forest are a moisture store .. Now these forest belts in the Rostov Region, Krasnodar Territory .. fell into private hands and are being built cafe refueling .. turn into garbage can ..

[astronom1973n]

Quote: parusnik

The work on creating forest belts in the steppe regions of the country was curtailed .. Purpose, protection from winds, snow retention .. Yes, the forest belt itself and the forest are a moisture store .. Now these forest belts in the Rostov Region, Krasnodar Territory .. fell into private hands and are being built cafe refueling .. turn into garbage can ..

And not only .... Krasnoyarsk Territory, Irkutsk .... giant echelons with round timber in the direction of the Chinese are sparing ....

[siberalt]

Quote: astronom1973n

Quote: parusnik

The work on creating forest belts in the steppe regions of the country was curtailed .. Purpose, protection from winds, snow retention .. Yes, the forest belt itself and the forest are a moisture store .. Now these forest belts in the Rostov Region, Krasnodar Territory .. fell into private hands and are being built cafe refueling .. turn into garbage can ..

And not only .... Krasnoyarsk Territory, Irkutsk .... giant echelons with round timber in the direction of the Chinese are sparing ....

Khrushchev also cut down forest plantations? But what about the ruins of an ancient chapel? Shurik is resting.

[Wheel]

Quote: siberalt

Khrushchev also cut down forest plantations?

Khrushchev stopped the landing of forest belts.
Where these bands exist, there the black earth does not degrade.

[Ozhogin Dmitry]

Strange constant attacks on the horsetail lately. In the 90s and zero, it was customary to scold Stalin. Now a new target. I understand, of course, that they both did misfortunes, but it was good too. At the same time, everyone is silent about Lenin, and under him, according to estimates, most of the Russian people died. Probably the next Brezhnev, it turns out.

[siberalt]

Some kind of literary circle on the history of Russia from Ivan the Terrible to the present day. How did we survive that and the state preserved?

[exSUman]

As a child, I had to spend a lot of time with my grandmother, because parents spent most of their time at the "construction sites of the century" throughout the USSR and beyond ... as long as I remember during my gatherings with friends and neighbors, NONE of them said a good word about Khrushchev ... about Stalin either they did not say at all, or - good, at that time Brezhnev was the General Secretary of the Central Committee ... so I never heard of him at all ... but no, only then it came to light ... she always showed displeasure that she had to go with two transfers to the other end of the city to the market for meat, because in the nearby store "COOPtorg" there was no required quality ...

[Sirocco]

In the USSR, emphasis was placed on agriculture and, mainly, on the development of vast virgin and fallow lands.

Somewhere there was information that Tselina and its development were used to divert the eyes of the "intelligence partners" from the construction of Baikonur.
Well, what to say about Khrushchev, FIG knows him, I have recently been associated with Gorbachev. The same collective farmer, but without a king in his head.
Let's see who will be after Putin, God forbid such cyclical repetitions.

[semirek]

Well, the "locksmith" cannot manage the state-Nikitushka, it would be better if you remained a simple mechanic and did not climb into this revolution, especially since you did not do anything good for your worker brother.

[tundra]

I read it a long time ago, well, I remember it. About Gorky's play (Mother)
Straight anti-Soviet continuous.
His father burned out from a booze, and he, Pavel, got a job at a factory,
He rented an apartment, bought himself an accordion, a suit and kept a mother who was not working.
With all of this, I also hit the whisper, evening gatherings,
party, an analogue of discos or modern clubs, as I understand it.
If you compare the salaries, even Soviet, at least the current one is interesting.
Wonderful things are your Lord.

[kalibr]

Three piece suit, mind you! In general, with the salaries of the beginning of the century it was like this: a lieutenant - 25 p., A classy lady (without lessons) 30 p., Turner of the first hand (Putilov factory) -40 p. Shopping: two chicken, five egg heels and two rosy franzolka rolls - 50 cop. (Chickens are young hens).

[Old26]

The article put a minus. It is impossible to evaluate the activities of the head of state exclusively in black. Each had pros and cons.

In the article, by chance or deliberately, there is an exaltation of any activity of Stalin and everything that Khrushchev did - exclusively in black. Even what is considered its plus is necessarily assessed as "but the foundation was laid by Stalin ..."

Many projects simply were not needed by anyone, but Khrushchev was to blame. The bias towards the development of heavy industry, despite the fact that almost all the factories in the European part that fell under occupation) were in ruins - Khrushchev was to blame.

He began the mass construction of new neighborhoods - again, not him, the foundation laid by Stalin. But BUILD THAT UNDER THE KHRUSCHEV !!!. And massively.

Reducing the army - again, the fault is solely on Khrushchev. peaceful coexistence has begun - it’s his fault that they stopped looking to the west exclusively through the scope.

Development of virgin lands is his fault. Artels were removed - again Khrushchev. For example, in childhood, I found such an artel - a boot. I even remember the name "KOZHKAPREMONT". There were about a dozen people, practically no mechanization, manually sewed and repaired. Well done, you can’t argue. But on a parallel street a shoe factory was being built. They did not survive. This artel remained, having joined the factory as a workshop .... And much more.

The blame for the fact that there were some idiots offering to plant corn beyond the Arctic Circle was again placed on him. We always have distortions. If the anti-alcohol company - then to insanity, if you plant something, then from the desert to the Arctic Circle.

In short. It is impossible to evaluate the activity, especially the head of state is subjective. Need objectivity. But this in the articles about Khrushchev, alas, is not observed ....

[avt]

Quote: Old26

... Even what is considered its plus is necessarily assessed as "but the foundation was laid by Stalin ..."

And what? Didn't mortgage? Or stupidly do not know who and when signed the decree on the creation of a nuclear submarine? And what even before Belka and Strelka in Kapyar dogs were caught and thrown not in a circular, but along a ballistic trajectory with the return of the living?

Quote: Old26

He began the mass construction of new neighborhoods - again, not him, the foundation laid by Stalin. But they BUILD THAT UNDER THE KHRUSCHEV !!! And massively.

Well, what is it that I know firsthand - I grew up in this and that’s what I’ll tell you. Five-story five-story ROSNE, without even comparing it with Stalin's luxury homes. My acquaintance lived in a five-story building by the Germans prisoners built on one of the Parkovs, and it still has wooden floors, and this massive Khrushchev’s miracle from Labutenko is still not known.

Quote: Old26

Reducing the army - again, the fault is solely on Khrushchev. peaceful coexistence has begun - it’s his fault that they stopped looking to the west exclusively through the scope.

Reduction contraction again strife. It was from Khrushch that hazing appeared in the Army, he removed front-line officers massively under redundancy, and suddenly (What a surprise!) There was a shortage of officers and massively drove “two-year-olds” after the institute, who, in fact, had to put a phalos in service - just to rewind the draft period Again, he canceled the conscription with some convictions and slowly but surely in the barracks, where the junior commanders didn’t give a damn about the service, the rough concepts began. Khrushch did the same with the police - he removed the Beria legacy under the guise that there was no proper education and drove out a bunch of honest employees.

Quote: Old26

. peaceful coexistence has begun - it’s his fault that they stopped looking to the west exclusively through the scope.

Did Stalin build the Berlin Wall? And Beria planned the Cuban missile crisis? And the support of the "progressive countries that have chosen socialism"? Who got into the Arab Israeli porridge with the awarding of the title of Hero of the USSR to Nasser? All-Union headman Kalinin?

[avt]

Quote: Old26

... For example, in my childhood I found such an artel - a shoemaker. I even remember the name "KOZHKAPREMONT". There were about a dozen people there, practically no mechanization, they manually sewed and repaired. They did well, you can't argue here. But a shoe factory was being built on a parallel street. They didn't survive. This artel remained, becoming a part of the factory as a workshop ...

And then they ran to the shops in search of high-quality imported footwear and having bought a coveted pair they muttered, “They know how to do it ..” So I will disappoint you - and now custom-made fashion shoes in the West are made by hand. and not on a CNC machine to drive mass production for mechanical engineering. And who let the farm in the countryside run a private courtyard under the knife? This is generally incomprehensible to the mind! To live in a village and not feed from it - not to have livestock!

Quote: Old26

In short. It is impossible to evaluate the activity, especially the head of state is subjective. Need objectivity.

[atos_kin]

Alas, the search for white to reduce the blackness of this figure stumbles upon even darker tones. I would suggest the author to reveal another "bomb" under the USSR: the cancellation in 1955 of the method of increasing the efficiency of the economy in the field of R&D. In fact, this was the beginning for the introduction of leveling into the creative process and the creation of the basis for "cutting" public funds by managers of different levels.

[bistrov.]

As for small artels. You are not quite right. So, back in the early 70s, such artels existed, I personally bought them handmade shoes of excellent quality. Let these shoes be a little more expensive, men's patent leather shoes cost 40 rubles, not everyone could afford to buy them (many earned 80 rubles . per month), but they went like hot cakes. That is, they flourished. There were also artels for the manufacture of wicker furniture, fur products, horse harness, which was bought by collective farms, etc. They did not disappear because they could not stand the competition with large enterprises. It was just that a deliberate policy was launched by the authorities to eliminate them. And this, for example, with the total lack of headwear (hats) at that time simply defies any sensible explanation, it can even be regarded as wrecking.

[Robbihood]

In the 50-60s, radio engineering and electronics developed rapidly. It was then that television came to the homes of many Soviet people. In the same period, Soviet scientists Prokhorov and Basov created the world's first laser.
The period under review was characterized by close attention of the state to the problems of the development of domestic science and, above all, to the natural and technical sciences. For this, significant amounts were allocated from the state budget for the construction of both new and reconstruction of existing institutions and their equipment. New academic and industry research centers were created. The USSR Academy of Sciences assumed the function of coordinating the work of scientific institutions. Among them, it is worth highlighting the Physics Institute. P. N. Lebedeva, Institute of Physical Problems named after S. I. Vavilov, Institute of Physical Chemistry, etc. Already at the end of the fourth five-year plan, work began on the creation of electronic computers.
During these years, Soviet scientists created a laser. This discovery and the invention made on its basis played a huge role in the further development of scientific and technological progress throughout the world. Significant results have been achieved in the field of welding and the creation of electric welding equipment. The shaft of achievements in the field of the science of technology was such that, starting in the mid-50s, the USSR, together with other advanced states, entered the era of the scientific and technological revolution. First of all, he considered it necessary to improve the motivational mechanism in which the results of labor would be more closely linked to wages. The core of the Kosygin reform was the economic calculation, into which industrial enterprises were transferred. According to the innovation, they had the right to keep part of their income at home, and then distribute it within the collective to material incentives, social and cultural and domestic needs of workers. This was an attempt to implement the Leninist idea that "socialism is a work for oneself."
CPSU leaders hoped to avert the danger of the scientific and technological backwardness of the USSR. Many enterprises were modernized, new ones were built. The country's energy base was strengthened, new hydroelectric power plants were built - Bratskaya, Kuybyshevskaya, Volzhskaya, Kakhovskaya and others. There was a transition from coal fuel to oil and gas, their production in the 1960s. increased by 2,4 and 4,3 times, respectively. Labor productivity in the first half of the 1960s grew by 5,8% per year. This allowed in a short time to significantly increase labor productivity and ultimately increase the production of Group B products.

[avt]

Quote: robbihood

. The USSR Academy of Sciences assumed the function of coordinating the work of scientific institutions. Among them, it is worth highlighting the Physics Institute. P.N. Lebedev, Institute of Physical Problems named after S.I. Vavilov, Institute of Physical Chemistry, etc.

And remember in the light

Quote: Old26

In the article, by chance or deliberately, there is an exaltation of any activity of Stalin and everything that Khrushchev did - exclusively in black. Even what is considered its plus is necessarily assessed as "but the foundation was laid by Stalin ..."

That they began to study applied physics near Kharkov even before the war? That Vasya's friend, Nikichikhin, tested in 1938 "his own - someone else's" equipment on airplanes in particular? This was later invented a myth about a letter from the front about the lag in the creation of an atomic bomb. And the fact that Beria was in charge of the project and physicists in general, did you not want to remember ?? And the words of Khariton that it was best to work under Beria, said in his declining years? Of course, the responsibility was not a joke, but again the intelligence and department "S" Sudoplatov worked for them, removing information practically from the primary sources of the "Manhattan Project"

Quote: robbihood

In the 50-60s, radio engineering and electronics developed rapidly.

Well, then let's remember that in Zelenograd under Nykita, it was laid by two Americans who worked for the USSR at Sudoplatov and who, unlike the four Rosenbergs executed in 1953, were pulled out after betrayal and failure. By the way, both returned to the USA, as well as what exactly Beria's "bloodsuckers" pulled out specialists of missilemen and others from the zone of occupation of the Allies and they worked for the missile and not only the programs of the USSR and who then also returned to Germany, and even from captivity, the property acquired in captivity was transported from Seliger in particular. twiddle, but it is not possible to turn it out in any way - the base was laid by the "bloody satrap" Stalin, and it was executed by the direct organizer - Beria. Whether someone likes it or not, but not, the Soviet people "vaapche, that is, no one in particular, but under the leadership, it's scary to say - Stalin and Beria, the latter as the main organizer and responsible for the project, the horror is shorter. .

Quote: robbihood

th. The core of the Kosygin reform was the economic calculation, into which industrial enterprises were transferred.

Note - the only top-ranking leader who survived after the "Leningrad affair" and the "Stalinist People's Commissar" of a specific production - light industry, about which Stalin spoke like - "Why aren't you a prime minister?"

[venaya]

Stalin's policy in the field of development of the national economy allowed the USSR to destroy the gap with the advanced Western powers in one jerk; prepare the country for war with almost all of Europe, led by Nazi Germany

Article clearly plus (+) The main thing to choose from a kaleidoscope of events is the true talent of the article. You can endlessly discuss all kinds of pros and cons of the period of N. Khrushchev’s reign, sinking down to insignificant trifles, but choose the main thing, explaining the further course of events and ultimately in the long run the reason for the defeat of our country - this is the task of a true researcher, which in my brilliantly failed to the author / co-authors. Once again, I thank the editors and the author for publishing this article, which reveals many, in my opinion, the most important moments in the history of our country.

[Cap.Morgan]

All of these canceled projects required enormous resources.
Khrushchov, on the other hand, tried to somewhat improve the life of an ordinary person, albeit to the detriment of the great construction projects of communism.
It was then that they began to massively build housing, infrastructure ...
Collective farmers received passports. Everything was.
Gagarin, by the way, also flew under Khrushchov

[Army soldier2]

At the beginning of the article, Alexander Samsonov criticizes, or rather accuses Khrushchev of curtailing infrastructure projects in the North and the Far East, and then charges him 75% of the production of means of production. And if they had not been curtailed, the production of means of consumption would have been even less. Where is the logic?
Yes, the countries of the social camp were helped in development at the expense of the USSR and the RSFSR. And why? In order to show the effectiveness of the socialist development model, and so that the population does not run west. Remember why the Berlin Wall was built?

[Wheel]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Collective farmers received passports.

Well, damn it, tired of it already!
Universal certification was not carried out under Khrushchev, but under Brezhnev, from 76 to 81 years.
The decision of August 28, 1974 states as follows:

"The issuance of new passports should be carried out from January 1, 1976 to December 31, 1981. Citizens living in rural areas who have not previously received passports are issued passports when leaving for another area for a long time, and when leaving for a period of up to one and a half months , as well as in sanatoriums, rest homes, for meetings, on business trips or when they are temporarily involved in sowing, harvesting and other work, certificates are issued by the executive committees of rural, settlement Soviets of Workers' Deputies, certifying their identity and the purpose of leaving. The form of the certificate is established by the Ministry of Internal Affairs THE USSR."

[bistrov.]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Collective farmers received passports. Everything was.

Well, what about your passports? I remember how my elder brother could not leave anywhere in the village, did not want to go to the collective farm, but did not give a passport. I got it with all sorts of lies. It happened in 1967. And such a policy in the countryside lasted until 80. It was then that mass certification began.

[Million]

Khrushev is already the past. If you compare it with the leadership of the country that ruled over the past 25 years, then Khrushchev is just a darling)

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: Million

Khrushev is already the past. If you compare it with the leadership of the country that ruled over the past 25 years, then Khrushchev is just a darling)

If we compare it with the leadership that seized power 100 years ago (and in fact they fostered X.) and started kicking everything and everything, then the current leadership is simply an earthly paradise. Sausages in shops, Fords and Toyota in the yards ...
Whether business 100 years ago. Everything is common. Even the women. At first.
Cards. Hunger-cold. There were rulers! You consider them genius ...

[_my opinion]

Quote: Million

Khrushev is already the past. If you compare it with the leadership of the country that ruled over the past 25 years, then Khrushchev is just a darling)

the past is the past ... yes, only this past still hums us ... at least we recall the Crimea ...
I didn’t set a minus or a plus ...

[Professor]

Hiding behind the fact that the development of a number of infrastructure projects in the field of hydraulic structures, railways, highways and enterprises “is not caused by the urgent needs of the national economy, the USSR Council of Ministers decided to stop the construction:

Everything is simple. Without the Gulag, building all this was not real. I am silent about economic feasibility.

The Zapolyarny Transsiberian Railway, the tunnel under the Tatar Strait, the construction of railways and roads on the coast of the Gulf of Finland, the Baltic and Barents Seas, etc. all this is relevant at the present time.

Where will we take prisoners?
In pursuance of the said resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR on May 12, 1950 issued Order No. 00310 “On the Construction of the Komsomolsk-Pobedino Railway on Sakhalin, the Tunnel Crossing and the Ferry Crossing the Tatar Strait”, in which the head of the GULAG of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs G.P. Dobrynin was ordered in June - October 1950 to provide delivery for construction 12 thousand prisoners, “fit for hard physical labor in the open air in harsh climatic conditions”.

Author,
I look forward to hearing from you about how Khrushchev destroyed the brilliant Stalinist housing program.

[siberalt]

And about Khrushchev, you can write an article about how he infected Moscow with syphilis by organizing the World Youth Festival in 1957 (actual data). Advice to the author is free.

[siberalt]

Judging by the reaction to the article, there are “vague feelings” that this is an organized persecution of our history.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

Here is ****. Are there any statistics?

[Robbihood]

Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin

Here is ****. Are there any statistics?

There is. A lot of.
If you look at the era of Khrushchev with an open mind, then undoubtedly, he managed to realize a lot. Not all and not to the end, but in 1964 the Russians lived better than in 1953. Not as better as their father supposed, not as good as they themselves wanted, but much better, in greater abundance, in new apartments, with confidence in the future. “I will not say that everyone lived well, but they did not live better either before or after.” These are the words of the post-Soviet historian Nikolai Barsukov.
Statistics, both Soviet and Western, anti-Soviet, indicate that the peak of living standards in Russia in the XX century falls on the mid-1960s. There are generalized indicators characterizing the "health" of the nation. The first of these is life expectancy. At the beginning of the 1917th century, before the October Revolution of XNUMX, Americans lived fifteen years longer than Russians. The Stalinist repressions, then the war confused all the statistical "maps", in those years life expectancy was calculated according to completely different canons.
After the war, the conditions of existence gradually returned to normal. Since 1955, the life expectancy of Soviet people has been steadily growing, in 1955-1956 it was 67 years, compared with 47 years in the prewar 1938-1939 years. From 1958 to 1962, life expectancy increases from 68,5 years to 69,5, in 1964 it reaches 70,5 years. For comparison: Americans in 1958, and in 1960, and in 1962 hold on for 70 years and only in 1964 this figure grows slightly - up to 70,25. Then the curves diverge, already in 1968 the life expectancy of Russians falls, at first very little, to 69,8 years, and among Americans it grows to 70,5. In 1980, the gap widens: 74 with a small year in the United States, and in the Soviet Union until 1985, it slightly fluctuates between 67,7 and 69 years. By the end of the XNUMXth century, the gap in life expectancy in America and now in already post-Soviet Russia is returning to the initial figures of the beginning of the century - fifteen years.
In 1962–1964, the peak of the birth rate was also registered in the USSR, which testified to people's confidence in the future. At the same time, infant mortality was halved. In 1926, out of a thousand, 78,9 births did not survive to one year, in 1953 - 68, and in 1964 - 29. By 1976, this figure had grown to 31,1 per 1 births. As a result, in 000–1953 the country's population steadily increased and grew from 1964 million people in the early 178,5s to 1950 million by the end of 229,2.
A similar picture is with male mortality, by 1965 it drops to the lowest level in the 274th century: 1973 deaths per thousand, and in 312 it increases to 1981 thousand, in 357 mortality reaches XNUMX.

[Robbihood]

Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin

Here is ****. Are there any statistics?

Is.
Now the housing issue. People called panel housing “Khrushchevs,” sometimes somewhat more politely “Khrushchevs.” Held at the initiative of Khrushchev, the "panel revolution" in homebuilding is a sign of the times.
From 1950 to 1964, housing stock in the Soviet Union more than doubled, and if in concrete numbers, then in 1952–1958, about 380 million square meters of housing were commissioned, in 1959–1965 another 767 million, that is, on average handed over 107 million square meters per year.
They moved to new apartments: in 1950 - 5,3 million people, in 1951 - 5,4 million, in 1954 - 6,5 million, in 1956 - 7,8 million, in 1957 - 10,1 million, in 1958 - 11,5 million, in 1959 - 12,6 million, in 1960 - 12 million, in 1961 - 11,3 million, in 1962 - 11,2 million, in 1963 - 11 million, in 1964 - 10,3 million. In 1961-1964, the number of people receiving housing decreased, but not because of a reduction in the square meters introduced, in those years they began to design larger-sized apartments with an improved layout. In sum, it turned out that between 1953–1964, almost two-thirds of the country's population improved their living conditions, received new apartments in cities, built new houses in villages, and the remaining apartments occupied the rooms of their settled neighbors.
Concomitant infrastructure was erected at the same time as housing. In 1964 alone they built: schools for 1,6 million students, kindergartens for 546 thousand places, hospitals for 55 thousand beds, and so on. In those same years, gas pipelines began to be pulled across the country and gas stoves were installed in apartments. From 1958 to 1965, the number of gasified apartments increased five-fold - from 2 to 10 million 400 thousand.

[Wheel]

Quote: robbihood

In 1961-1964, the number of people receiving housing decreased, but not because of a reduction in the square meters introduced, in those years they began to design larger-sized apartments with an improved layout.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nowbbbiegun asin yang yang yo yo yo yo yo
Khrushchevs with "improved" planning are popularly called brezhnevkas.
Why?

[Robbihood]

Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin

Here is ****. Are there any statistics?

There is. A lot of.
Following the growth of income, the structure of expenditures also changed. The volume of retail trade in the years 1958-1964 increased from 68 billion rubles to 105 billion. Particularly rapidly increased sales of durable goods, which always and everywhere indicates an increase in the welfare of the nation. For example, in 1960, the population acquired 4 million radios, one and a half million televisions, a million washing machines and five hundred thousand refrigerators, and in 1965, respectively, 5 million, 3,3 million, 3 million and 1,5 million. I took exactly those years that Brezhnev declared a period of decline.
In parallel with the growth of well-being of people, the working week was reduced. By a decree of March 8, 1956, the working day was reduced by one hour on weekends and holidays, by the end of 1960 they switched from an 8-hour to a 7-hour working day, then (in 1967) they introduced a 40-hour working week with two days off.
The life of the peasants also improved. The Stalin collective farms paid with their members for the workdays they had gained from remaining after fulfilling their obligations to deliver products to the state and pay for MTS services, which in fact reduced payments to a symbolic amount, or even to nothing. The Decree of March 6, 1956 introduced monthly advance payments for the labor of collective farmers in the amount of a quarter of all income received by the collective farm plus half of the advance payments paid by the state for obligatory and optional deliveries. In 1957 and 1958, household plots of collective farmers, workers and office workers exempted from the forced supply of the state the share of the output produced by them. In 1958, collective farmers received passports, for the first time in history they gained the right to leave their villages without asking the authorities. In 1964, pension coverage was extended to them.
For eleven years, from 1953 to 1964, gross agricultural commodity output grew by 75 percent. Although at the same time the population of the country increased by 41,2 million people, or about 20 percent, it is clear to a layman that on the table everyone has a considerable increase.
What did it consist of?
Grain harvest rose from 82,5 million tons in 1953 to 152,1 million tons in 1964, with the lion's share of the increase accounted for virgin lands. If in 1953, Siberia and Kazakhstan gave an average of 35 percent of the all-Union crop, then in 1964 - already 55 percent. In 1953, the state purchased 31,1 million tons of grain of all kinds, and in 1964 - 68,3 million tons.
From 1953 to 1964, meat consumption increased from 5,8 million tons to 10 million tons, milk - from 36,5 million tons to 72,6 million tons, and eggs - from 16,1 billion to 29,1 billion. Such impressive results in animal husbandry were achieved not only due to a decrease in entropy, but mainly due to the forced introduction of corn, coercion to it. She became the main and most nutritious feed of cows, pigs, poultry.
The generalized health of an economy in any country is estimated by national income. In relation to the Soviet period, the numbers are different, it’s understandable: statistics is a “class” science, and reflects customer preferences. According to Soviet data, the growth of national income in 1951-1958 averaged 11,4 percent, in 1958-1961 9,1 percent and 1961-1965 6,5 percent. The CIA counted respectively: 6,0; 5,8 and 4,8 percent.

[lesnik1978]

Blacks in the country appeared

[Wheel]

Quote: professor

Everything is simple. Without the Gulag, building all this was not real. I am silent about economic feasibility.

Oh, prof, someone would also growl, but you certainly should better keep quiet ..., collective farmer Jew, part-time great economist, damn it!

[pts-m]

Against the general background of the life of the people of Russia, throwing power from side to side resembles the gait of a wino. And what kind of good things this individual could do, it’s only right to master the hegalitras of alcohol, that is, to solder people by receiving devidents and then accusing ordinary people of inability to use these products. A vicious circle, that is, stamping on the spot.

[siberalt]

But what about the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU under Khrushchev? The principle of collective leadership has not disappeared.

[crazy_fencer]

I remembered Khrushchev's times well. Here is just one touch out of many. The city of Luga, a regional center in the Leningrad Region, 1958. Every morning and every evening along the outskirts of the streets on a pasture, and then from a pasture there passes a herd of cows of heads that way under a hundred. All the cows, which is characteristic, are personal, from personal plots. The next Khrushchev inflates the tax on cattle, and by 1960 there were no herds anymore - all the cows had been safely handed over to the slaughter. They cried out loud, but they handed over, because the tax turned out to be unbearable for 99% of people.
1962 year. The same meadow. Behind the black bread there are long lines waiting for this bread to be finally delivered, and wondering if it will be enough for everyone (usually the first hundred was enough, and this is even in the best case). White bread is sold only on cards, and only for sick children. Everything is seeded with corn, which in this climate zone actually grows very so-so. Nikita Sergeevich can feel quite legitimate pride: a decisive victory over his own agriculture and animal husbandry has been won!

[siberalt]

I lived in a workers' town. Under Khrushchev, they kept a cow, neighbors pigs and poultry, and no one paid any taxes. As for white bread rationing, sometimes droughts happen. Or have you not heard of such a natural phenomenon? Also attribute to Khrushchev the Holodomor following the example of the Ukrainian "brothers".

[lesnik1978]

He also introduced a tax on fruit trees and even on poultry (according to my grandmother). She spoke badly of him.

[vladimirvn]

Despite the fact that the family of my father and my relatives suffered in the 30s, I did not hear a bad word from him about Stalin. Father attributed all this to excesses in the field. But he always talked about Khrushchev, just a fool.

[siberalt]

If Khrushchev, then who are the ones who chose him? He did not make a coup, and even did not rewrite the Constitution for himself, like everything before and after. We can discuss Chernenko. There is also something to mock and laugh about.

[Arktidianets]

Leave you already dead, alone in Africa, what is the old brake?

[Belousov]

Look at the article minusers. Very curious.
Khrushchev wanted to write his name in history, considered himself a genius, without understanding specifically and qualified in any issue, he climbed everywhere with the peremptory dictator.

[uskrabut]

Article undoubted +. Died private traders, according to the stories of the elderly then all the pottery and shoe shops were closed. People themselves destroyed pots in kilns. There were so many tears and grief, horror!
So much for Nikita Sergeich, the first liberalist.

[Mr. Pip]

Total, we begin the next debriefing.

It was under Khrushchev that Stalin's large projects were ruined

As they wrote below, there was no one to build - ZK were driven to free bread - apparently there were such important roads that even feeding ZK at their construction was expensive, since they drove out criminals

But Stalin’s policy in the field of development of the national economy allowed the USSR in one jerk to destroy the gap between the advanced Western powers; prepare the country for war with almost all of Europe, led by Nazi Germany

1. We have not overcome the backlog - this is even the Party itself recognized with its post-Stalin slogan: Catch up and overtake!
2. And how exactly did Stalin prepare the country for war?
The need to "transfer" practically the industry FOR THE URALS does it mean "prepared" ?! I would have built it right away, then I would have prepared it!
Or the more than significant contribution of the "allies" to our victory, which the same Zhukov admitted in his memoirs, is also a "contribution to victory" that the economy of an entire country could not provide itself in the war even with a sufficient amount of food, about all sorts of "trucks and gunpowder "even keep silent - the production of tanks alone without clothes, food and cartridges is NOT ENOUGH to win!
3. Therefore, Stalin may have prepared for the "tank blitzkrieg on Berlin and Paris", but for a more or less serious and protracted war at least half a year FIG YOU ARE NOT PREPARATION - THE USSR WAS NOT READY FOR WAR!

the issue of imbalances in interregional transport and economic relations was not resolved.

Well, so where did he come from, why didn't Stalin build the Urals from the very beginning ?!

However, by the will of Khrushchev and Khrushchev, the industrialization of Russia was suspended.

Under Stalin, during industrialization and post-war reconstruction, priorities were given to heavy industry, the production of means of production. Then it was justified. However, under Khrushchev, the bias in favor of heavy industry exceeded even Stalin's.

But in general, how in one article and one author combines ?!

[avt]

Quote: Mr. PIP

As they wrote below, there was no one to build - ZK were driven to free bread - apparently there were such important roads that even feeding ZK at their construction was expensive, since they drove out criminals

But how did Nykyt Sergeevich master virgin soil? Can you tell me? What is the Komsomol construction since the days of Stalinism have not heard?

Quote: Mr. PIP

1. We have not overcome the backlog - this is even the Party itself recognized with its post-Stalin slogan: Catch up and overtake!

You - no, but Stalin did not stutter about "catch up and overtake", he actually said quite specifically to himself - to overcome the backlog in 10 years, otherwise they will doubt what, in fact, was done with the incredible effort of the entire population, and not exclusively ZK under by escort.

Quote: Mr. PIP

The need to "transfer" practically the industry FOR THE URALS does it mean "prepared" ?! I would have built it right away, then I would have prepared it!

You are our smart guy, without even mentioning different Magnitogorsk, it never occurred to you - Where did the water and electricity come from, well, at a minimum, when did you transfer the plants from the west of the country to the east? It’s beautiful to write about the fact that we arrived in Chistopol, threw out the machines and a week later they started working. But the machine, at least, just needed a foundation. Stalin didn’t have a magic wand and pike to build something. Such a concept as infrastructure, which includes all this and which must first be built before the factory was made and which WASN’T. Then there will be no questions why they built first there where it was possible to get and materials to be delivered.

Quote: Mr. PIP

Or more than a significant contribution of the "allies" to our victory, which the same Zhukov admitted in his memoirs, is also a "contribution to victory",

And no one denies it, but try to strain your brain and look for information about the course of negotiations, analyze HOW the same Stalin managed to break this same land lease in 1941, when the allies had already beaten the bolt on the USSR in the belief that there would be nothing for free to throw out resources.

Quote: Mr. PIP

Therefore, to the "tank blitzkrieg on Berlin and Paris"

Oooh! See from the sect resunoids! Write about wheeled tanks, but at the same time about the Czechs and Swedes who planned to take Berlin on the autobahns, they also made wheeled tanks. But do not forget to remember Tukhachevsky, he was in charge of armament at that time. At the same time, on the question of who and how prepared for war, refresh in what time frame France fell well fed and without reprisals with the commanders, the victors fell and where was the Red Army in the same time frame under management of the same "unprepared for war", and this time with ALL of Europe, Stalin.

Quote: Mr. PIP

But in general, how in one article and one author combines ?!

It even fits well when comprehending the article as a whole, and not when taking a separate phrase out of context.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: avt

But how did Nykyt Sergeevich master virgin soil? Can you tell me?

I will prompt
FIGOVO, he defended it, ill-conceived and adventurous methods - completely agree with this.
I disagree with the fact that under Stalin it was different - "collectivization" and "industrialization" under Stalin were no less thoughtless and even more adventurous.

Quote: avt

in general, he said to himself quite specifically - to overcome the lag in 10 years, otherwise they would crush

This is when, in the 30s ?!
And what did he say in the 20s when he destroyed the "Trotskyists" so hated by you, who from the very beginning of the 20s spoke of the need for "collectivization and industrialization" ?!
By the way, they had everything thought out - but Stalin with his "five-year plan in 3 years" differed little from Khrushchev with his "virgin soil".
And yes - DO NOT OVERCOME!

Quote: avt

without even mentioning different Magnitogorsk

Well, that was mentioned.
1. Stocks were scouted by royal professors (Bauman, for example)
2. The Americans designed (presumably they started the construction as well)
3. The people responsible for the construction of the plant a couple of years later were "in gratitude" were SHOT!

Quote: avt

Where did the water, the electricity come from

Under Stalin, do not tell me about the generation of electricity per capita?
Or let's talk about water, how workers in barracks lived with a toilet on the street and washed in a bathhouse for a week — did we have much water and electricity in the country then?

Quote: avt

HOW the same Stalin managed in 1941 to break this same land lease

Why was it punching ?!
Since the 30s, the USSR had the main hope of "containing" Hitler - the "allies" were preparing us for war, almost all the equipment and all military equipment we initially had "theirs" - but how much did Hitler have at the beginning or end of the war? was "licensed" French-English-American technology ?!

Quote: avt

See from the sect resunoids!

I AM FOR OBJECTIVITY! The fact that Stalin is 100% good and Khrushchev 100% bad is NOT POSSIBLE FROM THE INITIAL!

[avt]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Why was it punching ?!

And read the documents and understand.

Quote: Mr. PIP

I AM FOR OBJECTIVITY!

Straight Chapaev - not for the Bolsheviks and not for the Communists - for the international The point is small - figure out who this Objectivity is and there will be happiness, and you will definitely know

Quote: Mr. PIP

I disagree with the fact that under Stalin it was different - "collectivization" and "industrialization" under Stalin were no less thoughtless and even more adventurous.

who carried out collectivization and how and who industrialized, at the same time you will find out which of the takers of the innocently killed, and those who were, really worked in the archives, and which digits aki Solzhenitsyn sucked out of the finger.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: avt

really worked in archives

This is you probably about yourself now? Well, give us at least one historical document that "the allies did not want to help us" - but only a document

[avt]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Well, give us at least one historical document that "the allies did not want to help us" - but only a document

Look for and find something yourself, as well as you can quite yourself go and see the Gulag archive, it has been relatively freely available since the 90s, you come, write the purpose with which you want to familiarize yourself with the documents and get it, again look at the form and see who is REALLY I worked with documents after 1991 and that there are simply NO all svanid land novellers - chicks of Volkogonov's nest. But they still whine demanding "to open the archives", well, as Pivovarov is the director of a burned-out library, so you will know where the originals have gone. how did people work with the military archive regarding the losses of the Red Army in the Patriotic War, so NOBODY of the screaming, spitting and screaming about how everyone fucked up in 1941, not only does not refer to them or refute them, generally t-shi, and in-o-olnaya, as if it does not exist.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Under Stalin, do not tell me about the generation of electricity per capita?
Or let's talk about water, how workers in barracks lived with a toilet on the street and washed in a bathhouse for a week — did we have much water and electricity in the country then?

At the beginning of industrialization, all the Kuzbass mines had one power plant with a capacity of 1 kW (locomobile).

Quote: Mr. PIP

But how many at the beginning or at the end of the war Hitler had "licensed" French-English-American technology ?!

* thoughtfully ... Who has owned 1931% of Opel's shares since 100?
With whose money did the chemical monster "IG Farben" rise in the 30s?

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Alexey RA

Who has owned 1931% of Opel's shares since 100?

Well, firstly, both Opel and GM were originally private cars manufacturing cars in Europe, and I don’t understand what was wrong with buying a German car manufacturing company by an American company and even before Hitler came to power.
Secondly, the Nazis then "nationalized" the Opel - the Americans refused (or were forbidden) to work for the war industry in Germany

Quote: Alexey RA

With whose money did the chemical monster "IG Farben" rise in the 30s?

Yes, American capital really bought up for a priceless price and invested in German industrial facilities lying "in ruins" in the 20-30s (that is, often even BEFORE Hitler)
And then the Nazis came and practically everything "nationalized"

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Yes, American capital really bought up for a priceless price and invested in German industrial facilities lying "in ruins" in the 20-30s (that is, often even BEFORE Hitler)
And then the Nazis came and practically everything "nationalized"

Yes, yes, yes ... "absolutely unexpectedly" the Nazis came to power.
Could you remind me whose election campaign was actively financed by IG Farben?

The fascist sword was forged in the USA.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Alexey RA

whose election campaign was actively financed by "I.G. Farben"

IG Farben is a conglomerate of GERMAN concerns, mainly the military chemical industry - whom else will he finance if not MILITARIST Hitler and what does the American government have to do with it ?!

Quote: Alexey RA

The fascist sword was forged in the USA.

What are you? Why only in the USA ?!
Or maybe in Israel ?! Well, after all, some Jews also financed Hitler, they wanted to resettle the Jews in their own state, and here Hitler with the ideas of all Jews from Europe should be evicted!
Or maybe the "fascist sword" was forged in the USSR? Well, there is training of the German military in the USSR or joint military programs and trade!
And by the way, in the United States, a free state and private property, and speaking about the fact that "someone there in the United States financed Hitler" means only that those adhering to similar political views were in the United States too, and by the way in the USSR there were people with similar views were also exactly the same as in Germany itself at that time were the Communists!
Can you imagine ?! The Jews finance Hitler, the Communists in Germany, the Nazis in the USSR, and the Americans are apparently to blame for everything!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mr. PIP

IG Farben is a conglomerate of GERMAN concerns, mainly the military chemical industry - whom else will he finance if not MILITARIST Hitler and what does the American government have to do with it ?!

and take an interest in the connections of JP Morgan, Standard Oil, Shell, General Motors and IG Farben.
A simple question - for whose credits did Farben become one of the leaders of the Reich industry?

Quote: Mr. PIP

And by the way, in the USA a free state and private property

Thank you, neighing.

When in 1938 Roosevelt imposed a moral embargo on the supply of aircraft engines to Japan, the industry unanimously took "under the hood."
And this despite the fact that

until July 1940, the president did not have the power to impose administrative restrictions on American exports in peacetime. Private enterprises had the right to trade whatever they wanted. The "moral embargo" consisted of letters from the State Department to manufacturers urging them to abandon deals.

So the American authorities had all the ways, if desired, to achieve the results they needed from a formally free business. Of course, if these results were really needed by these authorities.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Alexey RA

and take an interest in the connections of JP Morgan, Standard Oil, Shell, General Motors and IG Farben.

And you take an interest in how many companies in the USA there were besides the named ones - in a percentage ratio.
Well, so that you finally understand that the heads of these companies, adhering to Nazi and anti-communist beliefs (which, in general, was not uncommon at that time) were what is called the "opposition".

Quote: Alexey RA

A simple question - for whose credits did Farben become one of the leaders of the Reich industry?

The simple question is, in what year did it stop?

Quote: Alexey RA

So the American authorities had all the ways, if desired, to achieve the results they needed from a formally free business.

Yeah, by the 40th it happened
But you answer the question!
Whose military industry was created with Western equipment and licenses and to whom did the US supply food and weapons?
PS Are you IRL as fundamental as in theory on the couch ?!
Japan is at war with the Russian Federation and considers part of our territory to be its own - have you completely refused Japanese goods?
And from the Chinese? (they have on their maps all of Siberia before the Urals)
And even more so, probably from European and American?
Indeed, yes ?!

[Wheel]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Whose military industry was created with Western equipment and licenses and to whom did the US supply food and weapons?

At least for the industry paid in full gold.
This is a note.

Yes, and the truth, to whom did the yusers supply food and weapons?
The main beneficiary was the terribly warring Great Britain, almost three times as much in dollar terms.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Wheel

At least for the industry paid in full gold.

You forgot about the grain.

Quote: Wheel

The main beneficiary was the terribly warring Great Britain

Oh, is the "big and strong" USSR really jealous of a small island in the Atlantic, which was practically in a blockade during the war years (thousands of sunken merchant ships) and thinks who got more "freebies"?
By the way, this small island, receiving materials from the USA even then later sent to the USSR, for example, the same tanks and planes.
And the Nazis at the same time drowned at least every tenth British ship with help for the USSR.

[Cartalon]

How tired this fallen France was, how many France we gave away while the Germans were stopped, the pre-war policy was Stalin’s failure, if Hitler didn’t do something stupid when he declared the US war, only God knows how the war would turn out.

[avt]

Quote: Cartalon

How tired this fallen France is,

Well, this is just understandable, this background with a well-fed, without repression, packed up to the most I can not and also with the allied corps under the leadership of the marshals of the winners. France very much interferes with whining about "everything has gone wrong" and "are not ready", as it irritates the accusers, , bloody regime ".

Quote: Cartalon

how many France we gave while stopped the Germans,

Again, without hesitation and without even looking in the directory of Muller Guildenbrant on how much went to France and what fell on the USSR.

Quote: Cartalon

do not make stupid Hitler declaring war on the United States

And what happened then? When you really fit into the war in the West, USA, do not want to refresh? And they did the land lease before that same Angles.

[Cartalon]

The first France with an allied corps was far from the USSR, the second was going on, the third was not entering the US war, all the distractions of German troops to the west would be 5 divisions, and the Germans would have every chance in 43 to achieve a positional deadlock

[avt]

Quote: Cartalon

The first France with an allied corps is far from the USSR,

The first will be

Quote: Cartalon

Again, without hesitation and without even looking in the directory of Muller Guildenbrant on how much went to France and what fell on the USSR.

That's when you take control of a specific digital and in comparison with what stood on the western border of the USSR. Well, and after dates with a reference to when and where the Angles actually are, and when and where the USs opposed Italians and Germans, then with 5 divisions and other nonsense you won’t glitch around the globe theater of operations, what Stalin’s Khrushchev accused of, will not

Quote: Cartalon

, the second thing was going on, the third was not entering the US war; all the distractions of German troops to the west would be 5 divisions, and the Germans would have every chance in 43 to achieve a positional deadlock

Then fingers bend at least on the feet in the listing, but of specific facts, and not so - vaapche.

[Robbihood]

Quote: avt

Then fingers bend at least on the feet in the listing, but of specific facts, and not so - vaapche.

Quote: avt

That's when you take control of a specific digital and in comparison with what stood on the western border of the USSR. Well, and after dates with a reference to when and where the Angles actually are, and when and where the USs opposed Italians and Germans, then with 5 divisions and other nonsense you won’t glitch around the globe theater of operations, what Stalin’s Khrushchev accused of, will not

Please tell me here on your example. Than a person has larger signs painted on the avatar, the more DOES he behave himself on the site? Is this a site rule, or just your behavior? Thank.

[avt]

Quote: robbihood

Thank you.

Yes on health and do not hesitate - I will try to please again, as I did and not with such "shoulder straps"

Quote: robbihood

Is this a site rule, or just your behavior?

“This is because Kolya Taraskin is young.” Be glad that the site is now refined and even toothless, there were cooler and hotter passions here. So we will leave - “the last of the Mohicans”, you are tormented to bow about in a polite on the keyboard.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mr. PIP

2. And how exactly did Stalin prepare the country for war?
The need to "transfer" practically the industry FOR THE URALS does it mean "prepared" ?! I would have built it right away, then I would have prepared it!

Third Five Year Plan. One of the main tasks is the creation of backup enterprises and evacuation sites beyond the Urals. It was on these squares that the evacuated factories arrived.
By the way, the third armored factory in the USSR, in addition to Izhora and Mariupol, inherited from the Empire, was built in the Urals.

Quote: Mr. PIP

that the economy of the whole country could not provide itself during the war even with a sufficient amount of food, we will not even say anything about all sorts of "trucks and gunpowder" - the production of tanks alone without clothes, food and cartridges is NOT ENOUGH to win!

That is, you propose to Comrade Stalin to raise the USSR from the level in 10 years "worse than Poland there is no beast"to a level at which it could compete on equal terms with the economy of the whole of Europe? Yes, yes, all of Europe:

Placement of military orders by the Imperial Arms Directorate in European countries (October 1, 1942 3-month plan (October, November, December 1942)):
A total of 3 billion 791 million Reichsmarks. Moreover:
France - 1900 million
Netherlands - 634 million
Belgium - 484 million
Denmark - 134 million
Norway - 86 million
Serbia - 14 million
Greece - 8 million

Somewhat earlier, from January 1, 1942 to September 30, 1942, the Reich received military products worth 3250 million Reichsmarks from Europe

Quote: Mr. PIP

3. Therefore, Stalin may have prepared for the "tank blitzkrieg on Berlin and Paris", but for a more or less serious and protracted war at least half a year FIG YOU ARE NOT PREPARATION - THE USSR WAS NOT READY FOR WAR!

The "tank blitzkrieg" existed only in the minds of propagandists. The real military planning was carried out precisely on the basis of a big war: mob reserves were created, calculated to replenish the army's losses during the mobilization of industry, a large-scale industrial evacuation plan was created and regularly adjusted.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Alexey RA

One of the main tasks is the creation of backup enterprises

Yeah, I wrote above about the fact that our production initially had an extremely high cost, and Stalin created "backup plants" instead of initially dealing with the normal distribution of production capacity throughout the country

Quote: Alexey RA

You propose to Comrade Stalin to raise the USSR from the level of "there is no beast worse than Poland" in 10 years to the level at which it could compete on equal terms with the economy of all of Europe

I propose to realize the fact that it was necessary to raise it "not in 10 years, but in 20" and once again ask the "rhetorical" question - what was Stalin doing in the 20s ?!

Quote: Alexey RA

The "tank blitzkrieg" existed only in the minds of propagandists.

Yes of course. Why are you so alarmed that, well, let's say Stalin wanted to attack the Nazis first, what’s wrong with that? I would attack!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mr. PIP

Yeah, I wrote above about the fact that our production initially had an extremely high cost, and Stalin created "backup plants" instead of initially dealing with the normal distribution of production capacity throughout the country

You are not to please. Industry was distributed - poorly, not distributed - also bad.

The normal and economically justified distribution of industrial capacities in the country in the 30s means the construction of processing plants in places with the highest concentration of personnel and transport. That is, with such a strategy, all plants are concentrated in traditional areas that are subject to evacuation on the first day of the war.
The removal of industry east of the Urals means a sharp increase in spending. For example: ships built in the Far Eastern factories cost the treasury 50-70% more than those built in traditional shipbuilding centers.
And one more thing: where to get the money for the complete transfer of industry? For example: the construction of one shipyard of the Baltic or Nikolaev class "from scratch" is one and a half billion rubles. And 5 years of work.

This is why a "gradual transfer" strategy was adopted. But they didn't.

Quote: Mr. PIP

I propose to realize the fact that it was necessary to raise it "not in 10 years, but in 20" and once again ask the "rhetorical" question - what was Stalin doing in the 20s ?!

He built a vertical of power. Without which, a sharp turn towards industrialization from the Leninist NEP was impossible.

By the way, what were the other members of the Bolshevik elite doing in the 20s? And why was the "War Alert" of 1927 shocked for everyone, when suddenly it turned out that the country's industry was not even able to provide a peacetime army, and the machinery was almost completely knocked out.

Quote: Mr. PIP

Yes of course. Why are you so alarmed that, well, let's say Stalin wanted to attack the Nazis first, what’s wrong with that? I would attack!

And they would get a united anti-Bolshevik front against themselves (even the Poles would rise). And hunger in the country - because without mobilization a blow is impossible, but for it it is necessary to take away, among other things, machine operators and a tractor from collective farms. In real life, at the pre-war gatherings of 1941, machine operators from agricultural units were allowed to be taken only by agreement with the pre-collective farms, and at the time of agricultural work they generally had a reservation.

Yes, by the way, the real Red Army in 1939 or 1941 would have reached the maximum of the Vistula. And then everything would become even worse than in real life.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Alexey RA

Industry was distributed - poorly, not distributed - also bad.

The fact of the matter is that it is bad that it was not distributed. And that additional costs were created in connection with the creation of "doubles" is doubly bad.

Quote: Alexey RA

The normal and economically sound distribution of industrial capacities in the country in the 30s means the construction of processing plants in places with the highest concentration of personnel and transport.

Maaalenka detail - the urban population to the Second World War almost 3 times increased compared to the pre-revolutionary, mainly due to the village (in the cities there was initially an increased percentage of people who did not share communist ideology), which rolled around the country in the 20s - that even had to be registered!
Therefore you are lying.
Almost everything was created from scratch.
There were no personnel initially.
There was no industry initially.
Initially, it wasn’t necessary to transport anything especially, and people themselves calmly went back and forth in those years, and the city infrastructure in those years was slightly more developed than in taiga living conditions.

Quote: Alexey RA

That is, with such a strategy, all plants are concentrated in traditional areas that are subject to evacuation on the first day of the war.

You're lying again.
The Germans did not reach the Urals, they reached St. Petersburg-Moscow-Tsaritsin. Accordingly, I personally do not understand why industrial facilities were built so massively, for example, IN UKRAINE - did we have other "traditional regions" besides Ukraine ?!

Quote: Alexey RA

"gradual transfer" strategy. But they didn't.

Not "did not have time", and Stalin, presumably from the very beginning, had a negative attitude to this idea and, in general, was a very, very short-sighted person in economics and politics.

Quote: Alexey RA

He built a vertical of power.

How delicate you are about his path to "absolute dictatorship"

Quote: Alexey RA

By the way, what did the other members of the Bolshevik elite in the 20s do?

In particular, they proposed to carry out "industrialization and collectivization" from 22-23 - but they were shot for this by Stalin

Quote: Alexey RA

And they would get a united anti-Bolshevik front against themselves (even the Poles would rise)

Something about entering Poland "towards Hitler" Stalin thought about the Poles least of all.
And yes, what kind of "united anti-Bolshevik front" ?! Do not be ridiculous - neither the United States nor the more Britain would have sided with Hitler.

[Wheel]

Quote: Mr. PIP

I propose to realize the fact that it was necessary to raise it "not in 10 years, but in 20" and once again ask the "rhetorical" question - what was Stalin doing in the 20s ?!

Yes, and the truth, but what did Stalin do in the 20s?
I ate tasty, drank sweetly, slept a lot, probably?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Wheel

Yes, and the truth, but what did Stalin do in the 20s?
I ate tasty, drank sweetly, slept a lot, probably?

No, no, no ... according to a new training manual, he shot the Trotskyists daily in order to appropriate their plans.

[Wheel]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Wheel

Yes, and the truth, but what did Stalin do in the 20s?
I ate tasty, drank sweetly, slept a lot, probably?

No, no, no ... according to a new training manual, he shot the Trotskyists daily in order to appropriate their plans.

He shot Trotskyites before breakfast, for appetite.

[Pvi1206]

The case for which Khrushchev fought (or Khryashchev, or Pearlmutter) was not in vain. He was picked up and brought to the logical end by the Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich ...

I recommend reading http://www.softmixer.com/2011/06/blog-post_5589.html

[Pvi1206]

Clarification. The link is an article: Khrushchev, Khryashchev or Perlmutter?

[Andryukha G]

This happens almost always when an illiterate locksmith (or cook) gets to power. I mean making decisions without further elaboration of the consequences, for example, most of the grain harvested on the virgin lands in 60 years was ruined, because there weren’t so many granaries to store it, and so in all the acts of Khrushchev, voluntarism in one word. I don’t understand the people who whitewash him, he lived and focused on the rich basis created under Stalin, now evaluate him what he would do in modern conditions (an absolute zero as a politician, it’s not for nothing that his brothers were removed, having looked at the tricks that drove the country into )) It is clear that it was necessary to change, but not break, in China, Mao’s monuments were not cleaned quietly at night, but they studied our mistakes and are moving forward with leaps and bounds. It was written chaotically, but who wanted to understand.

[avt]

Quote: Andryukha G

This happens almost always when an illiterate locksmith (or cook) gets to power.

Well, firstly - "we must give such a sum of knowledge so that every cook could run the state"; Secondly, he was not so illiterate; Thirdly, ALL his tricks, in my opinion, were subordinated to only one thing - the desire to Hence, such moves, an almost instantaneous reaction of self-preservation, without calculating their influence on the actually controlled object, which he aspired to control (hence the famous “Calm down” resolution, maybe a bike, but surprisingly accurate), Well, as a consequence, when achieving the maximum result in power

Quote: Andryukha G

so in all the acts of Khrushchev, voluntarism in one word

What actually ruined him - the scent lost in greatness.

[Semikopov]

About Stalin, Khrushchev and the 20th Congress

[Alexey RA]

Under Stalin, it was a very strong sector of the country's economy, which produced even weapons and ammunition during the war years. In the Stalinist USSR, entrepreneurship - in the form of production and craft cooperatives - was supported in every way possible.

He-he-he ... in Leningrad there was such an artel "Primus". During the years of the siege, this artel became one of the three producers of PPS. Moreover, she not only produced PPPs, but also set up their production at the plant. Kulakov (before the war produced communication systems and shipboard PUAO) and the plant named after V. Voskov (formerly Sestroretsk Arms), which had previously produced much more complex PPDs. It turned out that only Primus had specialists in stamping.

... The second largest PPS (Sudaev submachine gun) in Leningrad was the Primus artel. Having a good base for stamping equipment, the artel quite successfully produced weapons. The specialists of this particular artel debugged the production of stamped parts at three factories at once ...

(c) guns.ru
Moreover, Bolotin in his famous book on domestic weapons stated explicitly that stamping and welding were mastered by the domestic arms industry only in the late 30s. And then suddenly some kind of artel It turns out to be a major specialist in this area and teaches large plants ...

[alebor]

The article once again convinces how harmful and dangerous a country can be when its leader is not accountable to anyone and when no one dares to openly criticize him. After all, there is no guarantee that a smart and talented person will certainly be in power. And if no one can say to a fool in power that he is a "fool", then, as a result, the whole nation will suffer.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: alebor

when its leader is not accountable to anyone and when no one dares to openly criticize him.

Then I will remind you that Khrushchev was chosen by the party and the party also removed him, so he was accountable, but his "electorate" apparently did not differ from him in much great intelligence

[su navy]

Author, something is one-sided for you, everything, everything, everything was bad under Khrushchev. They forgot to mention that under him all battleships were cut and the stake was made on the so-called. "mosquito fleet. They forgot that under Khrushchev they began to build a nuclear submarine missile fleet, etc.

[1234567890]

And you also forgot to mention that Khrushchev personally launched the first satellite, Belka and Strelka, and Gagarin himself. How many years Khrushch ruled? How many years does it take to launch a completely new industry from scratch, such as the rocket and space industry? Conclusion: Khryushch had a very indirect relationship to the successes of the USSR. Even, I am afraid, during the life of Stalin and Beria, this bloke was not even close to such questions. But when he got it, he began to destroy everything, like a drunken elephant in a Jewish china shop.

[Cartalon]

Send the author to the construction of the branch Chum - Salekhard

[1234567890]

Interesting, however. Somehow before, I did not consider Khrushchevism from the angle of damage to industry and transport. All other aspects are already obscured and everything is clear to everyone, but from this angle everyone somehow forgets to see. And I am sinful, thanks to the author.

[demo]

I read the comments and wonder.
I wonder how many polar opinions.
Diametrically opposite.
That's impossible.
Historical figures, over time, should receive some unambiguous assessment.
But the figure of Stalin, well, how can’t I evaluate.

Undereducated seminar.
Retrained as robbers.
Revolutionary.
And in the end, a global figure.

If we consider Stalin in the dynamics of development, then of course it causes a rash on how he stepped from the former to the latter.

But we must probably look a little from a different angle.
Stalin, having gained power, became aware of what needs to be done and what is not worth it.
It is also obvious that the repressions that swept Russia were provoked at different periods by different reasons.
Primary, initial, repression is the struggle of the newly arrived Leninists against tsarist Russia, with its main institutions and, accordingly, with their representatives.
The second wave of repression is the struggle against Trotsky and his associates.
The third wave is the struggle against the Leninists.
And to the noise of this struggle, personal scores of people were reduced. And perhaps self-interest was pursued. And much more.

Stalin, in these matters, was above the battle.
He skillfully pitted among his opponents.
And he was waiting for the right moment for the final destruction of those who interfered with him personally.

After the end of the great purge and great terror, the question of the path of development of the USSR became paramount.

It seems to me that Stalin simply did not pay attention to the fact that in order to fulfill the plans drawn up, such large-scale excesses arose.
As they say: the death of one person is a tragedy, and the death of many is statistics.

He set a goal - the development of the state-USSR, and went to it.
And how many millions will die with bones in the permafrost of Kalyma, the Arctic, Sakhalin - this was not a question for him.

But Stalin was a truly outstanding figure.
True, he selected his environment is small. But this is obvious.

And against the backdrop of this giant comes a pygmy who does not find anything better than to exalt himself by humiliating his former boss.

He has no authority among associates. And no one is afraid of him, like Stalin, to hiccups.
This cigarette butt, under the guise of a man, begins to crumble, without a careful analysis of expediency, everything, left and right.

Therefore, we argue, hoarse.
It's just that these are two figures that cannot be compared.
You can compare Ivan the Terrible with Peter the Great, or Nicholas 1 and Alexander the Third.

But you can not compare a pig with an elephant.

You can add only one to everything.
Against the background of all the "kooks" of Khrushchev, there is one outstanding act that perpetuated his name - his private apartments, popularly nicknamed "Khrushchevs".

[DimYang]

This dirty offspring of Perlamunder-Khrushchev was a pest and an enemy. I personally, I wouldn’t mix anyone, I would kill him myself if he were alive. I would live and kill again. It is a pity Comrade Stalin regretted these scum. Yes, he was a good man. I think it’s no secret to anyone that this PX scum drove us to the Breton-Woods agreement, that he stopped the further industrial development of the country, he recognized us as second-rate in relation to the West, and he did a lot of things. Explicitly intentionally harming.

[podgornovea]

For some reason, the author forgot that under Khrushchev the construction of city committees, regional committees, etc. was also prohibited. As well as houses and palaces of culture, etc. until the people from the barracks and dugouts are not resettled.
At the end of his reign, construction of more comfortable housing had already begun.

Give me Khrushchev for free, I will be very happy!

The road beyond the polar is certainly really cool! And living in dugouts is even cooler!

There is an interesting trilogy about Khrushchev: "The Reformer", "The Birth of a Superpower", "Pensioner of Union Significance" I read with great pleasure. Although the author and his son Sergei Khrushchev, and as he himself writes, "can hardly be completely objective." It becomes clear a lot of what he was guided by when making certain decisions. There is also a lot about his relationship with Korolev, Tupolev, Chelomey, Yangel and many others.
About the defeat at an exhibition of artists, the Caribbean crisis, the Berlin Wall, a lot of things.
Before making definite conclusions, I recommend reading.
In comparison with the Grobachevo-Yeltsian times, the Khrushchevskys are simply a "golden age" of some sort!

[89067359490]

Only today my father told me about Khrushchev. He came to the far north, and there the corn grows (((((

[pamero]

Yes, it’s true, I remember my two grandfathers, now deceased, Khrushchev’s materials more than white light for his evil deeds on the farm! Although grandfathers were simple people, honestly working for the benefit of their families.

[Former battalion commander]

Custom article. Now it has again become fashionable to cheat on the achievements of the Soviet Union ... the current leading thieves need to direct people's opinion to at least someone in order to hide their incompetence, laziness and stupidity in economic activity. And on whom is it easiest to direct the "righteous anger of the people." That's right FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT PROTECT ANYWHERE! On the dead! Here's an article there too! It is easy for the author to fight the dead!

[Old26]

Quote: Wax

Gagarin's flight is the pinnacle of Stalin's projects.

Especially when you consider that the main work on space rocket technology was after Stalin

Quote: Wheel

Khrushchev stopped the planting of forest belts. Where these bands exist, the black earth does not degrade there.

In the Stavropol Territory, a state forest protection strip with a length of about 700 km was created precisely under it.

Quote: avt

And what? Didn't mortgage? Or stupidly do not know who and when signed the decree on the creation of a nuclear submarine? And what even before Belka and Strelka in Kapyar dogs were caught and thrown not in a circular, but along a ballistic trajectory with the return of the living?

So what? Well, he signed as head of government, what of this? So let's all connect now only with him. They built a rocket plant in 55-58 - Stalin laid it. Others probably did nothing, only reaped the benefits. You never know what he signed, being Presovmin. For instance, "Great shipbuilding programs", which was impossible to fulfill, in order to fulfill it, it was necessary to build twice or three times as many shipyards. However, he signed. And the decree on the creation of the R-5 rocket bears his signature. And whose creation of the R-7? As we all love to lump together. There is a "leader" and only thanks to him .... And nothing else ...

Quote: avt

Well, what is it that I know firsthand - I grew up in this and that’s what I’ll tell you. Five-story five-story ROSNE, without even comparing it with Stalin's luxury homes. My acquaintance lived in a five-story building by the Germans prisoners built on one of the Parkovs, and it still has wooden floors, and this massive Khrushchev’s miracle from Labutenko is still not known.

And I lived. And our family was glad that we had moved from the Stalin-era luxury home to the "Khrushchev". Why are you glad? Yes, we lived in this luxury house in an apartment of 4 rooms THREE families. Someone has 1-2 children - in a one-room (though large), someone has three - in a two-room. And "Khrushchev" - it had its own. So I don't really admire these luxury homes at all. Maybe someone lived alone in such an apartment, and my father and his colleagues in the service with the rank of major - it was in a communal apartment of "superior comfort". And those built by prisoners - yes, they were better than the same Khrushchevs, and Stalin's houses, since everything was for one family.

[Old26]

Quote: avt

Reduction contraction again strife. It was from Khrushch that hazing appeared in the Army, he removed front-line officers massively under redundancy, and suddenly (What a surprise!) There was a shortage of officers and massively drove “two-year-olds” after the institute, who, in fact, had to put a phalos in service - just to rewind the draft period Again, he canceled the conscription with some convictions and slowly but surely in the barracks, where the junior commanders didn’t give a damn about the service, the rough concepts began. Khrushch did the same with the police - he removed the Beria legacy under the guise that there was no proper education and drove out a bunch of really honest employees

.
Do not juggle. As a result of reductions, there was no shortage of officers. Sometimes a surplus. And many "passed" in their titles because there were no vacancies. My father, for example, because of these reductions of 12-13 years passed in two ranks.
Two-year-olds with their poh ... historical mood are already Brezhnev’s stage. Many front-line officers were indeed dismissed. But you asked a question, why? I somehow asked my father. And he said that mainly from the front-line soldiers they reduced those who had either an age qualification or who had 3-4 grades of education. And there were a very large number of them. Private sergeants who became officers during the retreat ...

Quote: avt

Did Stalin build the Berlin Wall? And Beria planned the Cuban missile crisis? And the support of the "progressive countries that have chosen socialism"? Who got into the Arab Israeli porridge with the awarding of the title of Hero of the USSR to Nasser? All-Union headman Kalinin?

Well, do you know the background to the Caribbean crisis? How did it start when, who started deploying ballistic missiles in Europe first? Who and when prepared the sites for venues in countries such as Bulgaria, the GDR? Moreover, this decision was made back in 1952, 10 years before the crisis. All this later ended with the Caribbean crisis. And its foundations were not laid by Khrushchev ... True, we don’t like to remember it ...

[podgornovea]

On the couch, it’s easy to reason without even knowing thoroughly the topic.
The toilet is not on the street, warm. Light or actress, "buy a kerosene stove, give 10 rubles" is not necessary, the entornet is unlimited,
you don’t need to go to the column for water - one valve turned cold and ran, the second turned hot! Warm, light and do not bite flies! Not life, picture!
And when people moved from dugouts (this is not an exaggeration, after the war, many lived in cities like this) from the barracks rooms where 6-8 people used to live in one room, they simply cried from the basements!
Who didn’t live like that, can’t even imagine this joy !!!!
And the licking trees that planted corn outside the Arctic Circle to bend before the authorities have always been, are and will be!
Khrushchev, unlike many couch critics, knew about the requirements not only for growing corn, but also for the rest, both in terms of the number of bright and warm days in a year, and watering, etc. how is our father !!
Wake up to answer any question at night!
Because I was doing this, I personally tried to understand everything!
And when they raised the virgin soil in the first year, twice as much as they did, they decided to overfulfil the plan, get medals, and the fertile layer of soil on which the sowing material was not enough was simply blown away!
And then the question was very simple to build factories for the production of fertilizers or to raise virgin soil. Factories would start producing products in 5-7 years, and people had to eat "now", as they always do.
In general, the one who does nothing is not mistaken!
And there is nothing for him and Stalin - such as Stalin are born once a thousand years!

[fa2998]

Quote: siberalt

I would write right away what he is not to blame or that he is to blame for everything.

So "" Khrushchev canceled the tunnel to Sakhalin. And why did not Comrade Brezhnev build it in the "golden years", and why did not Russia itself build it in the "fat years" ?! Or is it better to hide money abroad, in US Treasury bonds? Yes, there were mistakes , but millions of people still live in "Khrushchevkas" and this is their home. This is "zapadlo" in Moscow, there is no comfort, we will break it - well, excuse me, all of Russia is not Moscow!

[Hope1960]

Khrushch, like a Colorado potato beetle: they seem to poison it, and the larvae again crawl in all directions! After his "stormy activity" the USSR has not recovered. In Ryazan, the head of the regional committee put all the cattle under the knife in order to fulfill Khrushchev's "program", and then shot himself! And he was like that in everything - only ambition was crazy. Such idiots should not be allowed to power!

[ava09]

Quote: professor

Where will we take prisoners?

Yes, on the street ...))) Over the past 25 years, we have had so many liberals, embezzlers, corrupt officials, fraudsters, pests of various stripes who have accumulated that even those who left did not care ...)))

[Ozhogin Dmitry]

I see the main minusculeers taught history from Sorov textbooks, if they believe that Khrushchev is worse than all the rulers of the USSR during the revolution. Those. 100 years ago. Probably there was no famine, mass deaths, the absolute decline of the economy, the Civil War, intervention and repression.

[Ozhogin Dmitry]

What was required to prove) Learn the true story, gentlemen)

[NordUral]

Thus, in the Stalin empire, a special model was actively formed when private enterprise rationally supplemented state industry; real, productive entrepreneurship developed, and not a parasitic-speculative one that bred during the years of Gorbachev's "perestroika" and liberal reforms of the 1990s.

Here are two ways, the first is obvious to me, but this way does not provide for thieves-oligarchs and thieves-officials in it.