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Rocket systems of the Hermes family

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The development of various means of protection and armament makes new demands on anti-tank and other means. The most relevant in this context at the present time are issues of increasing the range of guided missiles, as well as the implementation of the principle of "launched-forgotten". The introduction of such innovations can significantly improve the effectiveness of weapons, as well as reduce the risks to its operators or carrier platform. In order to solve such problems over the past few decades, the universal Hermes missile system has been developed in our country.


According to various sources, the development of the Hermes project could start in the first half of the nineties. The creation of the new complex was carried out by the Tula Instrument Design Bureau under the direction of A.G. Shipunova. By the end of the decade, all major design work had been completed, which allowed us to proceed with the creation of several modifications of the system, one of which was subsequently tested. So, in 2003, KBP and aviation industry successfully tested the aviation version of the Hermes complex (Hermes-A) on a Ka-52 type attack helicopter. Later, some additional work was carried out, according to the results of which the possibility of adopting a new system into service is considered.

At the heart of the Hermes project were several ideas designed to increase the efficiency of the finished weapons. To reduce the likelihood of the enemy’s retaliatory strike, it was necessary to bring the missile launch range to the maximum possible values. With the same purpose it was supposed to implement the principle of "shot and forget." As an additional means of control, it was proposed to use a laser guidance system. It was also proposed to equip the rocket with a relatively heavy high-explosive fragmentation warhead capable of destroying various targets: equipment, ground structures, ships, etc. To increase the effectiveness of the system in real combat, it was necessary to ensure the maximum speed of the missile’s flight, provide for the possibility of salvo firing, as well as ensure the transportation of the maximum possible ammunition load.


Missile complex "Hermes" and its container. Photo Rbase.new-factoria.ru


The study of the requirements led to the formation of the original appearance of a promising multipurpose missile system. It was assumed that the main element of the Hermes system would be a guided missile with the required characteristics. At the same time, the possibility of creating several modifications of the rocket with the maximum degree of unification and different characteristics was considered. Such missiles, as expected, can be used as part of all versions of the complex, regardless of the type of the base platform.

By installing the equipment of the complex for various types of equipment, it was possible to ensure the solution of combat missions in various conditions, as well as reduce the costs of creating, producing and operating systems of several models. The promotional materials for the project "Hermes" featured three main versions of the complex. The Hermes-S system was supposed to be based on a self-propelled automobile chassis and solve the tasks of defense against a ground or surface enemy. For work on the sea proposed the project "Hermes-K". In this case, the missile launcher was to be mounted on boats or ships. An option for the air force, intended for use on airplanes or helicopters, received the designation "Hermes-A". In some sources, this system is also referred to as “Peck” or “Peck-A”.

According to published data, the main element of the self-propelled ground complex "Hermes-S" was to be a fighting vehicle on a car chassis. It was proposed to mount two packages with 12 missile transport and launch containers on each one, as well as a missile radar station. Also in the promotional materials appeared launcher without means of guidance with a different layout of the block of missiles. Also, an additional vehicle with a search and control radar on an overhead mast device could be part of the land complex.

Rocket systems of the Hermes family
Combat vehicle complex "Hermes-S". Figure Rbase.new-factoria.ru


The sea complex "Hermes-K" was proposed for equipping small ships and boats in order to increase their firepower. It was supposed to make two versions of launchers. The first was a thumbnail unit with a turntable for targeting several TPCs with rockets. The second one had a simpler design and in fact was a set of brackets for attaching containers of missiles on the towers of shipboard artillery.

For various reasons, the Hermes-S and Hermes-K missile systems currently exist only in the form of drawings and images in promotional materials. As far as is known, the assembly of such systems was not carried out, and tests were not performed. The aviation system, in turn, has already passed several stages of testing and can be put into service in the foreseeable future.

According to reports, the Hermes-A aviation missile system consists of several main components: an optical-electronic system, a fire control system, and weapons. The composition of the optical-electronic system includes television and thermal imaging equipment, as well as a laser rangefinder on a stabilized platform, automatic target tracking and other nodes. The MSA includes a computing control system, a control panel, an automation unit, an information exchange line, etc. The armament of the complex consists of launchers, suspended under the wing of the base helicopter, and guided missiles.


Boat with tumbova launcher complex "Hermes-K". Figure Militaryrussia.ru


The complex of the Hermes family includes several types of guided missiles that have the most unified design. All of them are built on a bicalyber scheme with a detachable first stage in the form of a high-energy solid-fuel engine. The second stage, in turn, bears the control equipment and the warhead. Flight control is carried out using a set of planes. At the tail end of the starting engine there is a set of X-shaped stabilizers, and at the second stage stabilizers (in the tail) and steering wheels (in the head section) of similar design are mounted. For release from TPK at the start, an additional propellant charge is applied.

According to some sources, missiles of the Hermes family can receive three types of homing heads: semi-active laser, infrared and active radar. Such systems provide the correct guidance to the specified goal, however, differ in terms of certain characteristics. For example, a laser seeker requires illumination of a target before it hits, while others implement the “launched-forgotten” principle. In addition, there are some restrictions on the simultaneous use of missiles. Thus, with the use of laser illumination, only two missiles can be launched simultaneously. Infrared and radar systems, in turn, allow you to simultaneously launch up to 12 missiles - almost the entire maximum ammunition helicopter.

Missiles of the Hermes complex, both aviation and other modifications, are proposed to be delivered in transport-launch containers unified with the Whirlwind complex. The total length of such a WPC with a missile is 3,5 m, weight - up to 110 kg with a launch weight of 90 kg. The launch stage of the rocket has a diameter of 170 mm, marching - 130 mm. The length of the second stage - 1,5 m, wing span - 240 mm. Aircraft missiles are proposed to be equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead with a mass of 27,5 kg, of which about 12 kg is accounted for explosives.


The Ka-52 helicopter with the Hermes-A complex. Photo Rbase.new-factoria.ru


One of the main tasks of the Hermes-A aviation missile system project was to increase the launch range to values ​​that ensure the safe use of weapons without entering the enemy's air defense zone. In order to fulfill this requirement and reduce the mass of the rocket, the authors of the project went for some reduction in the flight parameters of the rocket compared to the maximum possible. The first launch stage at launch should accelerate the rocket to a speed of about 1000 m / s, which allows you to attack targets at distances up to 20 km. At the same time, the maximum launch range and effective attack depends on the type of target. So, at a distance of 20 km, you can effectively attack surface targets. When working on ground targets, the maximum range is 17 km, and on air - up to 15 km.

It was mentioned earlier that in the composition of the land and ship complexes Hermes-S and Hermes-K two types of guided missiles can be used, the main difference of which is the design of the first stage and, as a result, the flight range. A missile modification, unified with an aviation one, is capable of hitting targets at distances of no more than 20 km. Also mentioned was a rocket with a launch mass at the level of 130 km and a more powerful starting engine capable of reaching speeds of up to 1300 m / s and flying to a distance of up to 100 km.

The general public learned about the Hermes project at the beginning of the two thousandth. In addition, at this time the tests of the aviation version of the missile complex were launched. To carry out these works, which ended in the middle of 2003, special equipment was received by the Ka-52 helicopter. The completion of the tests allowed the industry not only to present new data, but also to include the attack helicopter with new weapons in the exposition at various exhibitions. The first demonstration of the experienced Ka-52 with the Hermes-A system was held at the MAKS exhibition in 2007. The shown helicopter was equipped with a platform with an optical-electronic system under the nose fairing, as well as launchers on pylons.


The architecture of the complex "Hermes-A". Figure Militaryrussia.ru


At the end of the last decade, it was reported that the Hermes-A complex had passed most of the tests and was ready to launch mass production. At the MAKS-2009 air show, a representative of the Tula Instrument Design Bureau stated that in the 2010, the aviation version of the missile complex must undergo flight tests, which will allow it to be put into service. Serial production commissioned by the Russian military could begin in 2011 or 2012 year.

For unnamed reasons, such plans were not implemented. Nevertheless, the work was not stopped and continued, the result of which should be the adoption of a new complex into service, even if a few years after the originally named date. So, in the fall of 2014, KBP representatives spoke about the continuation of joint work with Kamov and Mily firms, which should result in equipping domestic helicopters with the latest high-performance weapons. In addition, at that time, mention was made of the creation of long-range anti-tank missiles for arming the ground forces and the design of a similar system for fleet.

The last time question was raised about a year ago. In February, 2015, it was reported that KBP and Russian Helicopters are continuing to integrate the Hermes-A system into the armament complex of combat helicopters. In addition, by that time, the design and ground testing of the introduction of new missiles into the Su-25 attack complex had been completed. With the successful completion of all current work, mass production of new weapons can begin in the 2018 year. Then new missiles must go to the troops.


Launcher of the Hermes missiles under the wing of the Ka-52 helicopter. Photos Otvaga2004.ru


To date, determined the fate of only the aviation missile complex. Over the next few years, the industry should complete all the necessary work, which will allow it to begin rearming strike aircraft, expanding its combat capabilities. Prospects for the self-propelled complex "Hermes-S" and the sea "Hermes-K" are probably not determined yet. These systems may be of great interest to the armed forces, but projects have not yet been brought at least to the stage of full-fledged testing.

As already mentioned, the main goals of creating a promising Hermes-A aviation missile system were to increase the launch range and ensure the independent operation of missile automation without the participation of the operator or the helicopter’s on-board equipment. Judging by the available data, both tasks were successfully solved. However, the Hermes-A complex still has not reached the troops. At present, the industry is working on the refinement of this system and is preparing it for adoption. In addition, work is underway to expand the list of potential carriers of new missiles.

At the early testing stage, the carrier of the Hermes-A complex was a Ka-52 helicopter, which was further demonstrated at exhibitions. Open reports of recent years suggest that in the future this complex will be installed on Mi-brand helicopters. In addition, the integration of new missiles into the Su-25 aircraft weapons complex was mentioned.

The ongoing work will allow the Russian Air Force strike aircraft to be equipped with modern guided missiles with high performance and good potential. First of all, the capabilities of airplanes and helicopters will grow to strike without the need to enter the enemy’s air defense zone, and there will be no need for long-term rocket tracking and control before hitting the target. Unfortunately, to date, there has been some lag of domestic developments in this area from foreign counterparts. Nevertheless, the Hermes-A complex in the foreseeable future will make it possible to bridge this gap and increase the strike potential of domestic aviation.


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  1. qwert
    qwert 1 March 2016 06: 59
    +4
    If yes, maybe it would be in the troops. But alas ... turned
  2. Professor
    Professor 1 March 2016 07: 56
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    As already mentioned, the main goals of creating the promising Hermes-A aviation missile system were to increase the launch range and ensure independent operation of the rocket automation without the participation of an operator or helicopter avionics. Judging by the available data, both tasks were successfully solved.

    Where does the data on the implementation of the "fire and forget" principle come from?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 1 March 2016 09: 51
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      Where does the data on the implementation of the "fire and forget" principle come from?

      Duc ... from "there" ... from the Internet! The Hermes project has been "procrastinating" for several years ... there have been references to various options for homing heads: 1.semi-active laser; 2. thermal imaging; 3. active millimeter-wave radar. There were also mentions that the laser and thermal imaging types of homing may be combined in one (combined) homing head ... From here, most likely, the assumptions about the principle of "fire and forget".
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 March 2016 13: 53
        -1
        It may be in 30 years to be adopted for service - as happened with the "Whirlwind".
  3. Slon1978
    Slon1978 1 March 2016 08: 22
    +1
    As I understand it, with the start of serial production of the aviation version they are slowing down because the rocket must be adapted for use from three carriers at once - Ka-52, Mi-28 and Su-25, each of which has its own avionics and FCS ...
    1. RuslanD36
      RuslanD36 1 March 2016 10: 53
      +1
      There is nothing to talk about the Su-25, it has no equipment. The Su-39 is not being developed, although it just had to use the Shkval unified with the Ka-50

      And here is the ka-52 and Mi-28 - there is a campaign between the KBs. We are waiting for the appearance of Whirlwind-1. They say they were able to establish production yet.
    2. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon 3 March 2016 09: 09
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      They’re not adapting a rocket to a carrier, but vice versa ... you don’t create a new cartridge for a new barrel to fit the TTX weapons ?! Although this happens, it is very rare!
  4. Signaller
    Signaller 1 March 2016 09: 32
    +1
    Then I read-yesterday or the day before yesterday about our MI 28-Type they do not draw on any comparisons with Apache. They don’t have a shot-forgot system. And there is a laser pointer, where to fly. where to get. And this leads to the fact that the helicopter immediately when it appears above the battlefield will be shot down by air defense systems. Here you need to think and solve the problem. It is necessary to put heads with GOS and optical comparison systems on missiles. He fired a rocket towards the target and faded for cover. And she herself will find the goal, compare it with what looks like Abrams or something else enemy, and will amaze. Where is already a matter of technology. Here is my vision of this situation. And quickly she flies or not, this is the second thing. The main thing is to hit the target and the helicopter does not shine when performing the task. I do not insist. Connoisseurs may write better.
    1. RuslanD36
      RuslanD36 1 March 2016 10: 51
      +6
      This is a big and beautiful legend. Firstly, such missiles are less reliable, they are easier to fool, and secondly, in fact, they are not. The only representative is the AGM-114L Longbow Hellfire. The rest of the Halleyers are also with a laser semi-active IR-GOS.

      Thirdly, the helicopter is shot down when entering the air defense zone, and they do not wait until it starts firing and for another 10-30 seconds of flight of the rocket.

      And if we talk about stealth, then the use of radar-ki still unmasks the helicopter. They are very much waiting, of course, Whirlwind-1, because for control, not a laser backlight is used, as on the same helfires, which makes it possible to use smoke and so on, and the laser shines in the tail of the rocket and leads it. A sort of pro-wire management
      1. Alexez
        Alexez 1 March 2016 15: 28
        +1
        about "... the laser shines at the tail of the rocket, and guides it." in more detail, please, otherwise I have a poor idea of ​​how this is implemented. Those. even if there is such a miracle of technology, then here is the situation with fog, etc. precipitation, not to mention the folds of the terrain behind which, as it were, it is necessary to hide if they opened fire on you and how to "lead" here. Moreover, the principle "fire - forget" does not imply this "message" because it has already "forgotten".
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 March 2016 16: 47
          +1
          Quote: Alexez
          Those. even if such a miracle of technology is

          Yes, and quite a while.

          Using a laser beam, ammunition is controlled by two methods:
          The first is a semi-active laser seeker. A laser receiver in the nose of a rocket receives a beam reflected from the target.
          The second is the laser-beam method. ((C) "Laser trail" 8)))) The radiation receiver in the stern of the rocket, the source on the launcher.
          More details here: http://otvaga2004.ru/kaleydoskop/kaleydoskop-miss/vysokotochnoe-navedenie-upravl
          yaemogo-oruzhiya-v-lazernom-luchevom-kanale /

          The first were the Swedes with their anti-aircraft RBC-70, then ours pulled up. Our most famous is "Cornet". The British are quite active on this topic.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 1 March 2016 20: 40
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            The British are quite active on this topic


            They worked.
            Now they have fucked their Brimstone and what for they do not need anything else.
            And increase the chances of defeat - launch 2 missiles instead of one.
            Although expensive, it’s almost a guarantee.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 1 March 2016 21: 36
              +1
              Quote: mav1971
              They worked.

              Are you sure the British have given up on StarStrick? You were in a hurry ... And they use it themselves, and sell to others 8)))
              You just ignored my hint. The RBS-70 is not an anti-tank complex, it is an air defense system. Accordingly, in this niche there are quite a few systems with a laser-beam control method and they are not going to give up their positions. Swedish RBS-70 and RBS-90, British "Starburst" and "Starstreak", Swiss ADATS ... Our "Pine"
              1. mav1971
                mav1971 1 March 2016 21: 59
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                Quote: Spade
                Quote: mav1971
                They worked.

                Are you sure the British have given up on StarStrick? You were in a hurry ... And they use it themselves, and sell to others 8)))
                You just ignored my hint. The RBS-70 is not an anti-tank complex, it is an air defense system. Accordingly, in this niche there are quite a few systems with a laser-beam control method and they are not going to give up their positions. Swedish RBS-70 and RBS-90, British "Starburst" and "Starstreak", Swiss ADATS ... Our "Pine"


                The Brits were always "freaking out on the letter M" with their air defense systems ...
                All purely English air defense systems - really - "we are not looking for easy ways" and we will go "vonnnnn temmmm by mmmm". Starting with SiKat ... And Starstrick is generally a figment of the imagination of a brilliant, but "sick in the head" British scientist ...

                The current level of development of conformal seeker antennas - terminates the full potential of laser pointing.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 1 March 2016 22: 17
                  +1
                  Iraqi pilots were pleased. According to rumors, Iranians dropped 42 aircraft with these same RBS-70s.

                  For the whole tsimus of these complexes of the RBS-70 type is that they are also MANPADS, that is, they are quite mobile, and they can even be dragged onto the roof of a building, like in London "Starstreak", during the Olympics. But at the same time, they have adult working ranges.

                  The Swedish complex operates at 8000 with a ceiling of 5000. Bolide rockets
      2. mav1971
        mav1971 1 March 2016 20: 34
        +1
        Quote: RuslanD36

        Thirdly, the helicopter is shot down when entering the air defense zone, and they do not wait until it starts firing and for another 10-30 seconds of flight of the rocket.


        Wow ...
        How interesting...
        Those. Is there such an air defense that shoots down a low-flying (50 meters) helicopter for 5-10 kilometers to tanks?
        So I get it?
        Those. Do you think air defense should go either flush with tanks, or even ahead of them?
        Show me such air defense, such protected as tanks, practically you have come up with a new type of weapon "air defense - attack air defense" ...
        Show pliz tactical documents for the use of such battle formations ...

        Knowing the range of the HARM or X-58, one can be sure that any attempt to turn on the radar will be instantly suppressed by the enemy’s aircraft, which must be barred precisely in anticipation of radar signals.
        And if they use the ALARM tactics, i.e. zapulivat it into the expected strike zone at an altitude of 20-25 km, and from there he quietly "observes" on a parachute. And one sidelobe of one impulse is enough for him in order to break into the attack. Having blown up at an altitude of 70-100 meters, its warhead will cut through everything that until that moment had been radar antennas.
        A competently coordinated anti-tank helicopter take-off does not give a single chance for military air defense using radio frequencies.
        The electron-optical channel is safer, but he has no chance of detecting a low-flying helicopter, and there are simply no kilometers at 10-15 range.
        I’m not making anything up.
        This is all that has happened in real combat over the past 25 years.
        Facts and realities. And not dreams and fantasies.
        If only in the first days in Iraq, Americans with a liner released 2000 PRR, then this is an indicator.
        They do not spare rockets. At all.
        Ours still can not understand this, such as too wasteful.
        Yes, and we do not have such reserves. Alas.


        Quote: RuslanD36

        And if we talk about stealth, then the use of radar-ki still unmasks the helicopter. They are very much waiting, of course, Whirlwind-1, because for control, not a laser backlight is used, as on the same helfires, which makes it possible to use smoke and so on, and the laser shines in the tail of the rocket and leads it. A sort of pro-wire management


        First, helicopters use thermal imaging or television channels to search for targets.

        Laser in the tail of a rocket? Only her one? And nowhere else?
        Are you serious?

        The laser, although it has stabilization systems, still walks by definition.
        This is a helicopter in flight, this is a distance of 2-5-10 kilometers.
        For any beam walks on target and will be recognized by a warning system about laser radiation ...
        And then smoke grenade launchers will work ...
        Yes. the probability of hitting under ideal conditions for a semi-active GOS is higher, but ...
        I'm still sorry for the pilot ...

        Quote: After the appearance of the target on the television screen, the pilot switches on the maximum magnification mode, recognizes the target and marks the reticle on its image. After that, the Shkval-M system is transferred by the pilot to the auto tracking of the identified target. In this mode, the pilot must hold the helicopter in such a position with respect to the target that it is within the limits of the azimuth angle (up to ± 35 °) and elevation angle (from + 5 ° to -80 °) acceptable for tracking equipment. When the permitted firing range is reached, the Whirlwind anti-tank missile is automatically launched.
        by the way.
        Whirlwind-1, about which you write is not placed in the troops in any single copy.
        2300 missiles that were supposed to be put in the army - zilch.
        Those who tried to release them were hacked to death, and the Kalashnikov never made a single missile since 2013. For it cannot.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 March 2016 21: 51
          +3
          Quote: mav1971
          Those. Is there such an air defense that shoots down a low-flying (50 meters) helicopter for 5-10 kilometers to tanks?

          Of course have.

          Quote: mav1971
          Knowing the range of the HARM or X-58, one can be sure that any attempt to turn on the radar will be instantly suppressed by the enemy’s aircraft, which must be barred precisely in anticipation of radar signals.

          And hit on an empty place. Radar protection systems have long been no news, their Belarusians even export.

          Quote: mav1971
          Facts and realities. And not dreams and fantasies.

          The facts are the "raid" near Karbella, which was the last attempt at a massive use of "Apaches" by the Americans on the battlefield. Of the 30 vehicles, only one returned undamaged, the combat mission was not completed, one helicopter was shot down, the crew was taken prisoner ... And all this the Iraqis created exclusively with the rifle and the ancient anti-aircraft AZP-57

          But the rest is fantasy.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 2 March 2016 19: 43
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            Quote: Spade

            The facts are the "raid" near Karbella, which was the last attempt at a massive use of "Apaches" by the Americans on the battlefield. Of the 30 vehicles, only one returned undamaged, the combat mission was not completed, one helicopter was shot down, the crew was taken prisoner ... And all this the Iraqis created exclusively with the rifle and the ancient anti-aircraft AZP-57

            But the rest is fantasy.


            I interpret this, as it were, a little differently.
            I completely agree with the loss figures.
            yes, one Apache "sat down" on the ground. But he was not shot down, there was no damage on him. This whole story about the dekhanin who shot him down with a rifle is propaganda. He was promised a medal and money to become a news hero. But then he complained that he had received nothing.
            The rest got a lot. On average, the number varies between 6-15 holes.
            One received from the RPD in the engine.
            The Americans themselves later said that it was an adventure.
            Only Apache.
            But.
            All flew. all restored.
            This is normal for frontline aviation.
            Was there a lot of helicopters in Chechnya without patches?
        2. RuslanD36
          RuslanD36 2 March 2016 10: 34
          +1
          For the most part, Lopatov answered for me.
          About the whirlwind: http: //news.rambler.ru/politics/31580143/

          And on October 23 they already received the first batch.

          About the search for targets: just the Apache Longbow already has a nadzulochnuyu radar. The Mi-28n has a problem with it. The ka-52 has a "crossbow" in the nose cone.
        3. Operator
          Operator 2 March 2016 13: 29
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          Radar location and optoelectronic detection - two ends of one stick.

          In the case of difficult weather conditions, smoke or dust over the battlefield, no one (helicopter, missile, air defense system) will see anyone using optoelectronics, including thermal imagers. And if so, then the laser (also optical) guidance of the missiles rests.

          But the radar steers, but with one exception - to distinguish a tank in the radio range against the background of the surface topography, vegetation, houses and structures, damaged equipment is much more difficult than a helicopter in the background of airspace.
          Therefore, in a duel of a mobile air defense system with a helicopter in conditions of radio detection with a dry score, the air defense system always wins.

          Anti-radar missiles in modern conditions are generally irrelevant - when they detect an attack, an air defense system shoots a false target away from itself - a radio signal transmitter and turns off its locator for a short time. There has never been a case when the PRR did not peck at such a bait.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 2 March 2016 19: 31
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            Quote: Operator

            Anti-radar missiles in modern conditions are generally irrelevant - when they detect an attack, an air defense system shoots a false target away from itself - a radio signal transmitter and turns off its locator for a short time. There has never been a case when the PRR did not peck at such a bait.


            This is the number ...
            And how does the air defense system determine the threat to him? After all, PRR has marching speed in 3M and an absolutely passive GOS?
            Tell please ...
            Plus, absolutely all PRRs have a bot and an inertial GOS with the function of storing the signal source point, so that after turning off the radar, it’s still possible to hit this place.
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      3. Cro-Magnon
        Cro-Magnon 3 March 2016 09: 13
        -2
        and the laser shines in the tail of the rocket, and guides it.
        Super! What high technology, straight "Star Wars" ... and the laser does not push the rocket into the tail for acceleration? The laser illuminates the target, sensors on the rocket keep it on the beam path until the very meeting with the target ...
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 3 March 2016 12: 24
          +1
          Quote: Cro-Magnon
          and the laser shines in the tail of the rocket, and guides it.
          Super! What high technology, straight "Star Wars" ... and the laser does not push the rocket into the tail for acceleration? The laser illuminates the target, sensors on the rocket keep it on the beam path until the very meeting with the target ...


          Not necessarily.
          There is an algorithm by which the target is held in the crosshair of the guidance system.
          And the rocket can be launched and go to the target slightly "bypass", it is to it that the data is transmitted. And the laser beam goes exactly to the missile receivers, and not to the target.
          And like the enemy detected radiation a second before destruction. When the radar and the crosshair of the guidance system converged.

          But.
          This algorithm, when I was young, was not implemented in hardware.
          For you need to keep track of 2 goals. Rocket and target. And constantly adjust the rocket.
        2. Philip Staros
          Philip Staros 28 November 2016 02: 16
          0
          You were told in Russian that there are TWO ways to use a laser. Old, let's say - when a rocket flies to the "spot" of the laser and "new", when the laser is used for INFORMATION TRANSFER, let's say. What is not clear? The difference is, in fact, PRINCIPAL, since, firstly, it is difficult to illuminate the rear of the rocket, and secondly, in most cases the laser goes PASS the target into the rocket (it makes a hill) and is not detected or is more difficult to detect.
  5. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 1 March 2016 09: 40
    +2
    Is the complex good only when it goes to the troops?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 March 2016 13: 54
      0
      It seems that very soon.
  6. Olfred
    Olfred 1 March 2016 10: 09
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    Pts necessary complex. I would like the tests to begin quickly and end safely, and the complex began to enter the army en masse ... the main thing is that the bureaucrats wouldn’t put their paw hi
    1. asr55
      asr55 7 November 2019 22: 54
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      Alexander, the missiles of this complexes are suitable for the Shell shell and they can definitely use it. Syria has already been tested, not only in the aviation version.
  7. Sots
    Sots 1 March 2016 14: 40
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    Quote: Signaller
    And quickly she flies or not, this is the second thing. The main thing is to hit the target and the helicopter does not shine when performing the task.


    So the high speed of a missile’s approach to the target complicates the work of its active defense equipment. As a result, the probability of hitting and destroying the target is higher
  8. loaln
    loaln 1 March 2016 17: 31
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    Yes, Russia was lucky that it was the USSR.
    How many years have passed, and not all of his ideas have been realized yet.
    In such conditions, you can not only disperse the RAS ...
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 1 March 2016 21: 40
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      Quote: loaln
      Yes, Russia was lucky that it was the USSR.
      How many years have passed, and not all of his ideas have been realized yet.
      In such conditions, you can not only disperse the RAS ...

      Yeah. The USSR was always ready for a full 100 war.
      But the war did not come and did not come ...
    2. Philip Staros
      Philip Staros 28 November 2016 02: 17
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      Everyone was "lucky" both the United States and others. They also "had America (etc.)". What's wrong with the fact that we use and develop OUR DEVELOPMENTS?
  9. marshes
    marshes 1 March 2016 18: 52
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    Vaguely, but it seems the Star was about the Su-25, there at the same time it seems not baptized smile , they said about weapons, about a rocket with a television guidance head that remembers the images? and supposedly they aimed at a crow, and like she didn’t know where to go. The bike probably. Why didn’t she shoot a gun and forgot.
    1. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon 3 March 2016 09: 31
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      The X-29T has been in service for 30 years, an analogue of the Amer’s AGM-65 maverick ... but it’s not a ATGM but a classic heavy air-ground. Even if he misses it 5 meters from the tank, he will not be late!
  10. 19001900
    19001900 1 March 2016 20: 46
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    Also mentioned was a rocket with a starting mass of 130 km and a more powerful starting engine, capable of speeds up to 1300 m / s and flying at a distance of up to 100 km. Under the rule.
  11. Don36
    Don36 2 March 2016 02: 33
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    As ATGMs are quite suitable
  12. tchoni
    tchoni 2 March 2016 10: 59
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    The complex is interesting. A rocket, so reminiscent of a shell rocket.
    I could be wrong, but, in my opinion, is there no complex in the gland? and all that the author here for us in the article threw up this equation of motion of a perfectly round horse in a vacuum?
  13. cdznjckfd
    cdznjckfd 7 March 2016 16: 08
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    Tula is once again trying to cram through advertising what they can do and not what MO wants.
  14. asr55
    asr55 7 November 2019 22: 49
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    Judging by the rattle of sofas, some experts gathered here. As without you, you can create something! Everything, according to the logic of things, is first done in the ground version, then in the aviation one. But the experts do not care, if they did not hear something, then this is not.