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Logistics complexes of the Ministry of Defense will replace all existing warehouses

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The transshipment and logistics complex (PLC) created by the 24 military department will replace the existing 2020 warehouses and bases in the territory of the Russian Federation by 330, reports Kommersant.


Logistics complexes of the Ministry of Defense will replace all existing warehouses


“Replacing outdated bases and warehouses will free up more than 50 thousand service personnel and reduce the annual infrastructure maintenance costs,” said Sergey Shoigu in December. “All the savings will be used to fill the deficit under current expenditure items.”

Currently, the maintenance of bases and warehouses cost the Ministry of Defense 29,4 billion rubles.

“Many buildings are outdated morally and physically, most of them do not meet the requirements for operational and storage activities and fire safety,” a source in the military told the newspaper. “The emergence of a PLC will not only reduce costs by almost half - to 14,8 billion rubles, but also expand logistic possibilities for supplying the army.”

He recalled that "now the Nara PLC is under construction in Naro-Fominsk near Moscow, which will have to store about 220 thousand tons of material resources and about 4700 units of weapons and special equipment."

With the advent of Nara, “it will be possible to disband the 31 subunit, freeing 27 military camps located in the Moscow region,” the source said.

Objects of 1-th “Nary” line (4 storages, tento-mobile shelters, perimeter fencing with six checkpoints, etc.) should be put into operation in May, the rest of the objects - in December of the current year. The state of one PLC is 1200 people, the management will be carried out by the general director.

K 2020 g should be built 24 complex. The military acknowledged that obsolete departmental norms interfere with construction. "By July, the study will be completed, according to its results, new rules will be developed," the source said.

The construction of all PLCs is quite expensive. Currently, the government is not ready to allocate the appropriate amount.

During the last meeting on this issue, Shoigu said that the Ministry of Defense "is working on the issue of attracting private investment to" reduce the burden on the federal budget. "

“We are talking about the mechanism of project agreements - receiving subsidies in exchange for reimbursement of a part of the interest rate on a loan,” explained the source. - For the preparation of the relevant concession agreement by potential investors, a preliminary analysis of the facilities has already been carried out. Six 24 complexes were selected: two in the Southern Military District ("Koisug" and "Armavir"), two in the Central ("Novosibirsk" and "Yekaterinburg"), two in the Eastern ("Onohoy" and "Vanino") ”.

According to him, “the size of the funded project in each individual case will be from 1 billion rubles. to 20 billion rubles, and the loan itself must be covered by 25% with the state guarantee of the Russian Federation. It will be provided for a period from 3 to 20 years for the implementation of the entire investment project. ”
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 29 February 2016 14: 10
    25
    From the point of view of cost optimization - definitely profitable.
    But this is only in peacetime.
    And I would also suggest cleaning warehouses from illiquid assets. This will be no less effective way to optimize and reduce excess storage space.
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 29 February 2016 14: 14
      31
      Updating is always good. Can I make a correction? "Replacement of outdated bases and warehouses will free up more than 50 thousand people of service personnel." It will not release, but will dismiss more than 50 thousand.
      1. afrikanez
        afrikanez 29 February 2016 15: 23
        +6
        To dismiss 50 thousand people is in their opinion normal? Yes, now I can’t get a job in my specialty, but I can’t go into collaborators. It turns out that an already not rich family will become even poorer. It seems that it is not entirely reasonable to destroy the old, it is necessary to approach this issue very carefully, not only for the state and the military, but also for those who are fired.
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 February 2016 15: 34
          +4
          They will probably think how to do it optimally.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 29 February 2016 16: 48
            12
            Quote: cniza
            They will probably think how to do it optimally.

            ... I would have ripped off something for this "journalist" ... Kommersant issued this "blizzard" at 0:14, then the others picked it up ... with an interval of 4, 5 hours .. and no one bothered to check the information and drove outright misinformation on attached screen clearly visible chronology fried news ... full news, if at all, was news 10.11.2015 source: http://vpk.name/news/143936_ministr_na_linii_ognya.html?new and reads as follows, quote:
            Logistics
            To improve and optimize the storage of weapons, missiles and ammunition, construction of 390 (of which 264 in 2015) storage facilities were completed 580. The remaining 190 should be commissioned in 2016. About 400 thousand tons of ammunition will be placed in the constructed storage facilities (currently more than 45 thousand tons).
            All storages are provided with modern security systems, equipped with mechanization facilities. In addition, they will eliminate the external impact on ammunition, ensure their safety and explosion and fire safety, and in case of emergency, prevent their spread to other objects.
            The construction of 22 modern fueling complexes in accordance with international standards is ongoing. Three such refueling complexes were built at 2014, and their construction at five more airfields was completed at 2015. Oil companies have invested in the construction and reconstruction of facilities for more than 12 billion. rubles.
            In accordance with the plan for the development of the Armed Forces, instead of the 330 existing bases and warehouses that are obsolete both morally and physically, the construction of the first of 24 modern production and logistics complexes (PLCs) is underway in Naro-Fominsk. It is planned to be completed by the end of 2016. Until 2020, another 23 PLCs equipped with advanced technologies for accounting and processing of goods will be builtwhich will form in the Armed Forces a unified logistic system for storing stocks of material and technical means.

            ... feel the difference in the news from last November? ... that is, if read correctly and completely, then:
            - 580 new warehouses for 400 thousand tons of BP for 2015/2016!
            - and 24 production and logistics complexes, like transshipment, sorting and accounting! .
            Comrades, check the information, repeated more than once ... the enemy does not doze off ... but, to all the Panicists who have arranged a tantrum below, a big and fiery hello ... I have the honor! ... soldier
            1. Tu-214R
              Tu-214R 29 February 2016 16: 58
              0
              Maybe this is generally merchants stuffing. They wrote that the KLA wants to freeze the production of TU-204/214 aircraft, is that true?
              http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2918003
            2. Tu-214R
              Tu-214R 29 February 2016 17: 17
              +1
              Inok10 Duplicate your post at the end of the article, otherwise they will write about "polymers" for 3 days.
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        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 February 2016 16: 15
          +2
          Quote: afrikanez
          It seems that destroy old not entirely reasonable

          It’s only a pity that we understand how it was necessary to repair, we usually after we break it completely ....
        4. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 29 February 2016 16: 25
          +1
          Quote: afrikanez
          It turns out that an already not rich family will become even poorer

          What? Poor families ... army warehouse workers ?! Powerful performance, as much as tears from the eyes sprinkled hail. Just sadness, yeah.
          Let me propose an alternative, so to speak, version of Shoigu's words. Something like this: "I don't want to put you in prison, I'll just kick you out on the quiet." Even in those warehouses where seemingly "unsaleable" things lie, and there warehouse grief-stricken about their beggarly fate, it is not bad that ... this ... they organized modest welds for themselves. Small ones. Brabus there to buy a beggar, a summer cottage for a hundred hectares ...
          However, to appeal to the conscience of warehouse workers, I certainly took off. In the place where people have a conscience, at the warehouse ashes.
        5. sgazeev
          sgazeev 29 February 2016 17: 19
          +2
          Quote: afrikanez
          To dismiss 50 thousand people is in their opinion normal? Yes, now I can’t get a job in my specialty, but I can’t go into collaborators. It turns out that an already not rich family will become even poorer. It seems that it is not entirely reasonable to destroy the old, it is necessary to approach this issue very carefully, not only for the state and the military, but also for those who are fired.

          The bulk of the warehouses are military pensioners plus civilian personnel and conscripts (take more and carry on).
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 29 February 2016 16: 12
        +2
        Quote: Michael67
        Can I make a correction? "Replacement of outdated bases and warehouses will free up more than 50 thousand service personnel." It will not release, but will dismiss more than 50 thousand.

        And, as usual, who will be kicked out? Who pulls the service, who is "on the belt". And in the Arbat military district and on other parquet floors - no change ... We saw such "optimizations" under Nikita, under Gorbat, and under Taburetkin ... Shaw?! ... Again?! ...

        In 93, I talked to a border guard captain from the Far East. He told how the elders-captains went to the outfit to guard the border - there weren’t enough privates .... Humpbacked and the Alcoholic then had a great time walking around, went around in the ice rink ...
      3. Atrix
        Atrix 29 February 2016 17: 14
        +2
        I do not understand, they want to make an 330 item from 24 warehouses ??? If yes, then it turns out to be destroyed by a likely enemy, the task is much simpler, if you had to destroy 330 targets before, now only 24. Of course, I understand that optimization, lack of money, modernization. But really, none of the leadership sees a security problem in wartime ???
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 29 February 2016 14: 20
      28
      Which is easier to destroy? 330 warehouses made of concrete with an embankment or 24 light-frame structures?
      1. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 29 February 2016 14: 26
        11
        high-precision munitions for the destruction of two dozen storage facilities will be spent less and the enemy will spend less time on the destruction of stockpiles. MALAZZA, someone well thought up ... it's like about the Spanish muskets without ramrods and with a small bullet, which itself rolls into the barrel. here you need to dig at the top comrades from the competent authorities
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 29 February 2016 15: 16
          +3
          Yes ... For me - a shitty initiative. Collect all the "eggs" in several huge baskets instead of a bunch of small ones. As in June 1941. a bunch of our planes at several airfields ... In the USSR, warehouse systems, etc. (and airfields) after the war, smart people developed based on military experience. And how many people will be thrown into the street. Optimization has been a bad word since the early 90s.
      2. Altona
        Altona 29 February 2016 14: 37
        +5
        Quote: Mitek
        Which is easier to destroy? 330 warehouses made of concrete with an embankment or 24 light-frame structures?

        -----------------
        But what was wrong in the old warehouses? I was in army warehouses in the Caucasus, corny for unloading potatoes. Potato nets were fed to the conveyor belt, at the end they were dumped into the container, the containers were taken away by a forklift. A standard railway track and an asphalt road led to the warehouses. Inside, there was a narrow gauge railway with freight cars. In general, the mechanization of the warehouse was. The warehouse was food, everything was kept intact, canned food, vegetables, fruits, bottled water, bags of dried fruits. The buildings were both concrete and hangar type. In general, a cool warehouse. True, the water was only mineral, drinking, they drank both hands, and they washed their boots with this water, they allowed me to take it countless.
      3. 34 region
        34 region 29 February 2016 14: 47
        +3
        Mityok! 14.20. 24 less than 330. With a raid fewer targets. Will there be an air defense system around them? Judging by the article, no. Oh come on lads! What about old stocks? products to the needy, weapons and ammunition offended? Or everything, everything in the trash?
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 29 February 2016 15: 21
          +3
          But in each new super warehouse there will be a general director! Instead of air defense, probably ..
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 42
          0
          Everything else is in the storage of the Federal Reserve.
      4. Grenader
        Grenader 29 February 2016 14: 49
        10
        Ammunition depots were built in the Soviet era and were not designed by fools. In addition to the vulnerability of enlarged storage, the question of logistics arises. They tried to place warehouses in the SA at the optimal distance, so that if there was a need in the shortest possible time, it would be possible to deliver ammunition to military units. How will military units be supplied now in case of an emergency, how long will the ammunition be brought to them? It seems that in the Moscow Region they confused the army with a supermarket chain.
        A little off topic:

        On February 29, 2016, the Government of Ukraine last week decided to close the Antonov aviation concern.
        - for some reason, this news on the site may not appear soon, and so the bright memory of the great KB. X @ hly ruined a unique enterprise, now probably happy.
        1. Kachesgm
          Kachesgm 29 February 2016 16: 28
          +2
          The news is already half a year old, and there have already been articles on VO for a month about this event. The company is being liquidated at the legal level. UKRobonservice took all the iron and buildings. Those. purely technically, the enterprise continues to operate, the current is now without the old sign.
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      6. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 29 February 2016 16: 22
        +3
        Quote: Mitek
        Which is easier to destroy? 330 warehouses made of concrete with an embankment or 24 light-frame structures?

        Probably the one who came up with this came to the Ministry of Defense from a freight company, head of the transport department. We had a minister-furniture huckster am ... And he is not going to fight with anyone. And when you’re not going to fight, why do you need concrete warehouses?

        Somewhere quite recently I saw such euphoric pacifism .... "The Cold War is over, there is no more probable enemy, there is no one to cut the missiles and disband the army ..." Even one bastard got an American medal for that ... And what came of that? Until now, we are disentangling, and no matter how much we scoop, everything is up to the throat ...
    3. Finches
      Finches 29 February 2016 14: 49
      +5
      And how will the mobilization of the human reserve and mobilization resource take place? Or are they going to fight without losses? Or is everything so good with highways and transportation routes that in the blink of an eye from these centers all MT property will be delivered to PPLS and PPT? We have great distances !! Tea is not Luxembourg ...
      I can’t judge, there is not enough information, but questions remain ... The defense of the country is not a profitable business! In terms of money, always unprofitable and costly pleasure. And if you always go along the path of savings to the detriment of security, then such an fucking army is not needed!
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 29 February 2016 14: 58
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        .. The defense of the country is not a profitable business!

        What are you)))) what else - breathtakingly important)))
        This is for us - taxpayers, it’s a loss, but as you know, if in one place it gets better forever - happiness and all kinds of marmalade))))
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 February 2016 15: 05
          0
          We argue from the point of view of the absolute, not human vices! And I really want to hope that those who think that “defending the Motherland” is a business, we have fewer and fewer at the top!
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 29 February 2016 15: 15
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            the top remains less and less!

            Predict to thought - they are not there at all)) do not believe the duroscope and life will become easier, but sadder ((((
            1. Finches
              Finches 29 February 2016 21: 02
              0
              A man without faith cannot live ...! hi
    4. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 29 February 2016 15: 55
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      From the point of view of cost optimization - definitely profitable.

      This is how to look. Previously, as a rule, in each region there was a fuel and lubricant warehouse, food, stuff, etc. Now each connection everything necessary at its own expense will drag xs from where? It is also necessary to create an automobile division for such transshipment and storage facilities in order to supply parts according to applications with everything necessary. request
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 29 February 2016 16: 10
        -1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Pereira
        From the point of view of cost optimization - definitely profitable.

        This is how to look. Previously, as a rule, in each region there was a fuel and lubricant warehouse, food, stuff, etc. Now each connection everything necessary at its own expense will drag xs from where? It is also necessary to create an automobile division for such transshipment and storage facilities in order to supply parts according to applications with everything necessary. request

        what's the problem? storage and transportation in containers, loading, unloading takes a minimum of time, the warehouse is serviced by an information system, no bureaucracy. Another thing now is when you need to keep a bunch of movers and constantly shift it here ...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 29 February 2016 16: 20
          +5
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          storage and transportation in containers, loading, unloading takes a minimum of time, the warehouse is serviced by an information system

          You, apparently, have no idea about the mechanism for supplying parts from centralized warehouses. The problems are not in storage at the warehouse itself, the problem is in the supply of parts with a large supply arm. Before: there is a regiment, the head food went to the district warehouse for meat, pasta, etc. to the garrison warehouse. Now, with such enlargement, he will have to thrash through a couple of regions and so on. I don’t know how it is now, but earlier, to go beyond a radius of 200 km from the unit, almost a district order was needed.
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          no bureaucracy.

          Blessed is he who believes. wink
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          Now when you need to keep a bunch of movers

          In normal warehouses, mechanization facilities were before, and loaders, as a rule, were an outfit of fighters. smile
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          constantly shift it here ...

          I’ll tell you a terrible secret: they always shift something in warehouses, turn wheels, start engines, refresh supplies, paint, etc. yes
    5. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 29 February 2016 17: 46
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      From the point of view of cost optimization - definitely profitable.



      That is yes. But to lay eggs in one basket ... In 24 more precisely ...
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 29 February 2016 14: 10
    +4
    Leroux and Auchanov spied wassat
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 29 February 2016 14: 17
      0
      With the advent of Nara, “it will be possible to disband the 31 subunit, freeing 27 military camps located in the Moscow region,” the source said.
      If only then these towns, on the "red slippers" did not go.
    2. Altona
      Altona 29 February 2016 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      Leroux and Auchanov spied

      --------------------
      Aha, "Pyaterochka" helps out ...
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 29 February 2016 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: Altona
        Aha, "Pyaterochka" helps out ...

        True, build warehouses like retail chains laughing
  3. Andrey591
    Andrey591 29 February 2016 14: 12
    +4
    "will release more than 50 thousand people of service personnel" And where do they go then?
    1. 34 region
      34 region 29 February 2016 14: 50
      +5
      Andrey591! 14.12/30. Where do they go? Well, they will die out! After all, they did not fit into the market, as Chubais used to say. It is necessary to reach the target of XNUMX million that do not fit into the market! recourse
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 29 February 2016 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: Region 34
        "will release more than 50 thousand people of service personnel" And where do they go then?

        How many ensigns will lay hands on themselves. It’s scary to think. lol
        1. Egevich
          Egevich 29 February 2016 22: 45
          +2
          Quote: novobranets
          Quote: Region 34
          "will release more than 50 thousand people of service personnel" And where do they go then?

          How many ensigns will lay hands on themselves. It’s scary to think. lol

          your sarcasm is outdated, and very much ...
          now there are no warrant officers in warehouses, can you imagine? exclusively civilian personnel for a cheap salary ... really - salaries of 4-5 thousand ... plus length of service of up to 40% ... and that's it ... summer cottages of 100 hectares, you say, and brabus ... rzhunimagu ... you probably somewhere in a parallel universe you draw your ideas about the modern army ...
          1. Vladimir 23rus
            Vladimir 23rus 29 February 2016 23: 50
            0
            rzhunimagu ... you probably somewhere in a parallel universe draw your ideas about the modern army ...
            There is no Serdyukov from the universe, Vasilieva and others like them. By the way, I also live in this universe, but what are you in? request
            1. Egevich
              Egevich 2 March 2016 08: 51
              0
              Quote: Vladimir 23rus
              rzhunimagu ... you probably somewhere in a parallel universe draw your ideas about the modern army ...
              There is no Serdyukov from the universe, Vasilieva and others like them. By the way, I also live in this universe, but what are you in? request

              so in the same place, I just have to do with military service and judge firsthand ... today, for example, I’ll go to the TSV warehouse to get property ... so sho if sho, ask for first-hand information (I’ll sell inexpensively) ... drinks
          2. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 1 March 2016 05: 12
            0
            Quote: Egevich
            now there are no warrant officers in warehouses, can you imagine? exclusively civilian personnel for a cheap salary ... really - salaries of 4-5 thousand ... plus length of service of up to 40% ... and that's it ... summer cottages of 100 hectares, you say, and brabus ... rzhunimagu ... you probably somewhere in a parallel universe you draw your ideas about the modern army ...


            It should be added that today's warehouses were located in areas remote from real life, at least a few kilometers from housing.

            Somewhat surprised by the number - 330 warehouses and 50 thousand - is it 150 per warehouse? With their size?
            and 29,4 billion. rubles - an average of less than 50 thousand per person, taking into account taxes and all material costs. That is, without repair work, roads, electricity, diesel fuel, security equipment ...

            I suppose that even if instead of burying oneself in the ground to build new storage facilities of the nif-nif and naf-naf type, real savings can be obtained only by drastically reducing material inventories.

            So the news is either fake, or it’s not reported exactly, or I don’t like it at all.
    2. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 29 February 2016 15: 30
      +3
      those who are ready to actually fight will be sent to learn how to fight, the lazy, idiots, "bosses", etc. individuals will be sent to civilian life.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 44
      +1
      We’ll have to look for a new job.
      1. Egevich
        Egevich 2 March 2016 08: 55
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        We’ll have to look for a new job.

        to whom? warehouse staff? with a salary like that, it's even easier to get an old-age pension ...
        so there pensioners are basically, it’s cheaper that way ... it’s paid not a salary, as the main means of livelihood, but an increase to a pension ...
  4. cobalt
    cobalt 29 February 2016 14: 12
    +7
    Apparently, they will also need to cover these complexes with air defense systems and anti-sabotage service units, painfully big tidbits are obtained for air strikes and sabotage.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 29 February 2016 15: 32
      0
      I still think they don’t sit there, they’ll think of everything ...
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 29 February 2016 14: 14
    14
    24 goals instead of 330. Make life easier for the adversary? And private investment is annoying.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 29 February 2016 14: 17
      +8
      It’s like the situation with the airfield network, several super airfields throughout the country.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 45
        -2
        350 airfields throughout the country.
        1. DIVAN SOLDIER
          DIVAN SOLDIER 29 February 2016 16: 18
          +1
          Where? From the strength of 25 permanent locations.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 February 2016 16: 35
            +1
            It is all together both civilian and military and abandoned and leaping.
  6. Igor V
    Igor V 29 February 2016 14: 15
    +6
    And then with one bomb ...
  7. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 29 February 2016 14: 16
    +1
    Fewer pockets - easier to poke ... but control too ..
    1. WSW1WSW
      WSW1WSW 29 February 2016 16: 47
      0
      I think it’s easier to poke with numerous pockets.
  8. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 29 February 2016 14: 20
    +3
    Quote: Andrey591
    "will release more than 50 thousand people of service personnel" And where do they go then?

    Those who wish to retrain on the required specialties, including those related to the operation of warehouses.
  9. VP
    VP 29 February 2016 14: 23
    +2
    The smaller the warehouses and the larger they are, the greater the vulnerability of the infrastructure.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 29 February 2016 15: 42
      0
      Quote: VP
      The smaller the warehouses and the larger they are, the greater the vulnerability of the infrastructure.

      some math
      we have 330 warehouses, for example, each warehouse is guarded by 4 air defense systems, plus 330 * 4 = 1320 air defense systems
      instead of 330 warehouses, we make 24 warehouses and distribute 1320 air defense systems to them
      total we have 24 warehouses each protected by 55 air defense systems
      question: where did you get the idea that the new infrastructure is more vulnerable?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 49
      0
      Or maybe it's all misinformation - they will build 24 types of warehouse, and the remaining 300 will be hidden in bunkers underground.
  10. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 29 February 2016 14: 30
    +2
    Quote: Mitek
    Which is easier to destroy? 330 warehouses made of concrete with an embankment or 24 light-frame structures?

    100% agree with you. Osnova survivability is violated. One blow destroys a component of the system of support. For peacetime, it is actual and "fashionable". For wartime, it is stupid and will be destroyed in the first place.
  11. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 29 February 2016 14: 33
    +5
    The Taburetkin affair lives and thrives ?! And what about 24, and not just one? In order for the adversary to destroy everything with one blow
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 29 February 2016 15: 57
      0
      Quote: Arctidian
      ... In order for the adversary to destroy everything with one blow


      This comparison is not appropriate here.
      Example. For more than six months, the airspace base was located in Syria (Latakia). Many who were able to do something could do this?
      In addition to the base in Latakia, the Russian Aerospace Forces have two more bases. One of them - “Shayrat” - is located in the province of Homs ... Helicopters are based at the base of Al-Taias (province of Palmyra). Both new sites are not yet ready, work is underway on them.

      Let us give specialists the opportunity to carry out modernization.
      Whoever does not know, I will say this, I did not find great pleasure in visiting the warehouses during my service, especially in the winter. Until you wait for the issuance of the full list ...
      It simplifies the time to search for the necessary, processing issuance and accounting for availability. The top posts have already said who we professionally got into warehouses. The correct answer is ensigns. And the ensign is the standard bearer, that is, the one with the banner in his hands, and not with knapsacks and trunks ...
      And the location of the warehouses should be such that in case of emergency nothing would interfere with the operation of these warehouses ...
      We have a good Minister of Defense. If you do not trust him, (he did approve of the modernization) then this does not mean exactly what you think correctly.
      soldier
  12. kepmor
    kepmor 29 February 2016 14: 45
    +7
    Do not "break the spears" gentlemen forum users! The truth lies on the surface!
    Where are these 330 warehouses and storage bases located? That's right, most of them are in urban areas or city suburbs, many of which are quite large. Means and "zemelka" under them is not a penny!
    At stake is the lard of "green" you understand, but you are talking about some kind of vulnerability and inexpediency of these PLCs ... funny straight, by God!
    "Effective managers" are still in bulk both in the Moscow Region and in the Federal Property Management Agency ... The land will be given to "their own people, especially in need", and "dough will be cut down immeasurably" on the next state order!
    In a word, as always in Russia ... theft is a holy thing!
    1. VP
      VP 29 February 2016 14: 50
      +3
      Quote: kepmor
      most of them in the city or suburbs of cities

      What did you get it from?
      Those that I encountered were not at all in the city limits.
      But these new ones will most likely just be near the cities as there logistics will be in the first place.
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 29 February 2016 15: 23
        +5
        Let me give you a few examples: 600 aviation technical warehouse is located in the city of Kaluga and clearly hinders the development of the Grabtsevo technopark (for example, the Volkswagen-Skoda plant is located on the territory of this technopark), 3754 aviation base (a warehouse, but a large one), already the leadership of the city of Kursk and the region has long waved, tk. It is located in a VERY thick place practically in the center of the city (K. Marx Street - Victory Avenue). And the ATI warehouse in Rostov-on-Don, near the bus station? These are regional cities, you can also cite smaller settlements: warehouses (bases) in Syzran or Balebei. Colleagues, this is just an example and a quick shot! One can only guess HOW MUCH dough (I apologize) money is that land, and the question is where this money will go. Hike Serdyukovshchina, it's like the flu.
    2. Warhead-xnumx
      Warhead-xnumx 29 February 2016 15: 30
      +8
      Quote: kepmor
      Do not "break the spears" gentlemen forum users! The truth lies on the surface!
      Where are these 330 warehouses and storage bases located? That's right, most of them are in urban areas or city suburbs, many of which are quite large. Means and "zemelka" under them is not a penny!
      At stake is the lard of "green" you understand, but you are talking about some kind of vulnerability and inexpediency of these PLCs ... funny straight, by God!

      I agree, I cut another dough, with outsourcing we already stepped on a rake, eliminated repair facilities, handed over logistical support to civilians (my people), armies squeezed into brigades, etc., here you can also attribute the transition to a new form (I can’t look without laughter on short pants in an office uniform), again, an order for their people to sew. Then it will be possible to warm your hands more on bringing everything back to normal. For me, the marine arsenal cut in the rock is somehow more reliable.
  13. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 29 February 2016 14: 49
    +2
    Fewer targets for the enemy — and how did Stalin not realize such an obvious cost savings?
  14. tchoni
    tchoni 29 February 2016 14: 51
    +4
    Eh. ooo "masyanka" does not leave our army. Again there will be a semi-commercial organization for feeding "fellow" people. Maybe people will be fired (reduced), but maintenance costs will be unambiguously higher, because salaries and expenses of directors (especially generals) will be higher.
    But the number of targets hit - will be reduced. For what Kozhubetovich will receive a purple heart.
    1. 3 Gorynych
      3 Gorynych 29 February 2016 15: 03
      +4
      Well, why climb into the jungle! This logistics is not for the army, but for the new director - Serdyukov! It is written - the CEO will manage ...
  15. JD1979
    JD1979 29 February 2016 14: 58
    +6
    330 against 24, this is how much the Yusovites will save on missiles. secondly, how many times will the distance to consumers from these centers increase given the size of the country.
  16. 34 region
    34 region 29 February 2016 15: 02
    +6
    Already got with this optimization! Let's not trifle then and make one city for the whole country! One hospital, school! One small but big businessman, one big oligarch! In general, I have many ideas for optimization. I hope I understand the policy of our leadership correctly? wink winked sad
  17. Juborg
    Juborg 29 February 2016 15: 03
    +4
    Quote: Pereira
    From the point of view of cost optimization - definitely profitable.
    But this is only in peacetime.
    And I would also suggest cleaning warehouses from illiquid assets. This will be no less effective way to optimize and reduce excess storage space.


    The main thing here is one, in one gulp, our army will be deprived of all ammunition, having hit these 4-5 points of optimized storage. There are tanks, but there will be nothing to shoot.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 February 2016 15: 58
      +1
      Quote: juborg
      The main thing here is one, in one gulp, our army will be deprived of all ammunition, having hit these 4-5 points of optimized storage. There are tanks, but there will be nothing to shoot.

      And what does the ammunition have to do with it? PLC - this is clothing, food and other supplies.

      And the ammunition is stored in completely different places: recently there was information about the completion of the next line of buried storage facilities in the next arsenal. smile
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 29 February 2016 16: 05
        +1
        And to feed and clothe "service people", you, what will you wake up in case of destruction of these PLCs?
        Or how in dill on "free bread" you offer the military to let go, feed what God sent? So what?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 February 2016 17: 13
          0
          Quote: kepmor
          And to feed and clothe "service people", you, what will you wake up in case of destruction of these PLCs?

          Do you hope for a long war?

          And by the way, if it came to the destruction of the PLC in the Moscow region, then things at the front are really bad.
  18. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 29 February 2016 15: 04
    +2
    Instead of 330 nuclear bombs, only 24 will be required, the United States will be able to leave 306 bombs for other purposes, I think the future reform sponsors in the West have already been laid out.
  19. JonnyT
    JonnyT 29 February 2016 15: 12
    +3
    concrete multi-level warehouses with railway branches will be replaced with tin frames covered with "foil"? ... I hope this is all to confuse the foe, in fact, the old warehouses will continue to fulfill their function.
    1. epsilon571
      epsilon571 29 February 2016 16: 30
      0
      JonnyT (3) RU Today
      concrete multi-level warehouses with railway branches will be replaced by tin frames,


      Remember the blockade of Leningrad, and most importantly about the monstrous famine that claimed the lives of about a million Leningrad residents:

      "... One of the most persistent blockade legends is associated with the fire of the Badayevsky food warehouses. On September 8, 1941, Leningrad was first subjected to a massive bombardment from the air. At 16:23 6000 German bombers broke through to the city. They managed to drop more than 1914 incendiary bombs on Leningrad, overwhelming some of which fell on the territory of the Moskovsky district.A huge fire broke out at the Badayevsky warehouses, which were located not far from the Moscow railway junction, which was most likely the main target of the German bombers.All Leningraders have seen the glow and smoke of this fire. artillery shelling, because this fire for many became a real symbol of the beginning of the blockade and a harbinger of suffering that fell on them later.The warehouses were built by the merchant Rasteryaev in XNUMX. They got their name in honor of the old Bolshevik Alexei Yegorovich Badayev.

      Judging by the documents of the Ministry of Defense, which were published only in 1995, 280 incendiary bombs fell on the territory of the warehouses. Out of 135 warehouse buildings, 27 burned down. Together with them, about five tons of sugar, 360 tons of bran, 18,5 tons of rye, 45,5 tons of peas, more than 286 tons of vegetable oil, 10,5 tons of animal oil, about three tons of pasta were destroyed. , 2 tons of flour and about 209 tons of paper. The losses are huge, but if this food remained intact and safe, then with the gigantic needs of Leningrad, it would be enough for two or three days. One way or another, but sometimes under the conditions of the blockade, a piece of bread the size of a matchbox was decisive for human survival. And it is absolutely certain that the fire of the Badayevsky warehouses was first of all a terrible psychological blow for Leningraders ... "


      No matter how it happened with military depots brought together, everything speaks of this scenario.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 February 2016 17: 18
        0
        Quote: epsilon571
        No matter how it happened with military depots brought together, everything speaks of this scenario.

        Your quote refutes you:
        Quote: epsilon571
        The losses are enormous, but if this food remained intact, then with the gigantic needs of Leningrad it would be enough for two or three days.


        By the way, I'm afraid that concrete multi-level warehouses with railway branches - This is a drop in the sea in the total volume of MO warehouses. And the vast majority of them are rickety wooden warehouses with a leaky roof, built even under Nikita Kukuruznik or the early Len Brovenosets.
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 February 2016 15: 20
    +1
    This is the right decision, also transfer the accounting of all resources to the electronic system, and tie it into a single network, but with the obligatory coding for each position separately. So that curious five years try to decode how many felt boots we have in stock.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 56
      +1
      From the point of view of counting, a single base is effective, but in the process of transition to it they can erase a lot.
  21. reklats34
    reklats34 29 February 2016 15: 24
    -3
    what are you laughing at who will fly who will bomb the Ukrainians igil Ukrainians)))))))))))))) If the Americans need each of 330 warehouses for nuclear charge, there is SO what is not needed. La speed and speed are important now.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 15: 57
      0
      Actually, for each target, the calculation is from 2 to 4 warheads.
  22. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 29 February 2016 15: 34
    0
    Everything should serve the maximum mobility of the army. As for the security of the new warehouses, we have all the means for this. The main thing to think about is the fast and safe delivery of ammunition to all points of our country
  23. Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 29 February 2016 15: 41
    -1
    After 24 warheads, our warheads will fly in all directions, and then everyone will not care ...
  24. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 29 February 2016 15: 41
    +3
    Quote: reklats34
    what are you laughing at who will fly who will bomb the Ukrainians igil Ukrainians)))))))))))))) If the Americans need each of 330 warehouses for nuclear charge, there is SO what is not needed. La speed and speed are important now.

    Yes, it can and may or may not, taking into account the reciprocal strike. This is firstly. And secondly, survivability, as one of the factors of system stability (no matter which one) is achieved by dispersing objects on the ground, in order to exclude simultaneous destruction. Following your logic, the defense area needs to be built within the oral-visual communication, so that it is more convenient, then both speed and efficiency increase wassat Operational art, there was such a subject at the academy, probably not everyone taught it .......
    1. alstr
      alstr 29 February 2016 16: 01
      +3
      I will add. And what about transportation to the destination if necessary?
      Here the savings may collapse.
      And you also need to look at the throughput at peak loads - it doesn’t turn out that having collected everything in one place, taking into account the passing capacity of our roads, the possibility of loading and unloading, we get a traffic jam (I have almost no doubt about this).

      Therefore, sometimes you don’t even need to bombard the warehouses themselves - we simply destroy the roads (at the same time, we note that the bottlenecks of the transport logistics may be outside the warehouse’s air defense zone) and the entire ITC at the invader is safe and sound (almost like in 1941).

      Now, if they were built and the old ones were left at least in personnel. It is possible even as an NZ for the period of the war, then this would be a more correct decision.
  25. Cat man null
    Cat man null 29 February 2016 15: 57
    +2
    Well, how to say:

    1. This is far from a momentary matter.
    2. No one bothers to keep part of the old warehouses.
    3. No one cancels, as I understand it, their own warehouses of RAV and other good in parts (correct if wrong).
    4. And in general, who said that this is not just another props for misinformation "partners" wink

    now in Naro-Fominsk, near Moscow, the Nara PLC is being built, which will have to provide storage of about 220 thousand tons of materiel and about 4700 units of weapons and special equipment

    - in the Nara (Naro-Fominsk) on Shibankov lives 4-I Guards Kantemirovskaya tank division (he saw himself, gyyyy laughing) is the question of logistics.
    - I don’t understand only where they put this PLC there .. if only in place of the division warehouses belay

    Something like that..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 16: 07
      0
      Underground warehouses will be equipped.
  26. awersa
    awersa 29 February 2016 16: 01
    -1
    All this until the first terrorist attack, which will take away 4 percent of the ammunition, then again we will grind the enlarged one ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 16: 13
      0
      These are not ammunition depots, but food and equipment assets.
  27. da Vinci
    da Vinci 29 February 2016 16: 29
    +2
    And with what beautiful words sMerdyukov also "optimized". Let Vasilyeva be taken as general manager! wassat
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 29 February 2016 21: 31
      0
      teeth are few. laughing
  28. Velizariy
    Velizariy 29 February 2016 16: 36
    0
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Instead of 330 nuclear bombs, only 24 will be required, the United States will be able to leave 306 bombs for other purposes, I think the future reform sponsors in the West have already been laid out.

    Based on the design in the photo - you can not nuclear ...
  29. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 February 2016 16: 51
    +3
    Your division ... Again, cut and privatization. I really hoped that with the departure of Serdyukov, it became a little better in the RF Ministry of Defense. But no. Well, let's build 24 new ones with 20 lard each. Instead of repair and if it is necessary to modernize the old ones (who believes that they can now build better than the Union could do this?). And there will be 24 warehouses, of incomprehensible quality, instead of 330. Maybe then one is better at all? Well, that would immediately cover everything. And who will build? Private traders? For private investment? For MO? Seriously? wassat
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 29 February 2016 17: 22
      +1
      Who will build? Two options: the best menDzhera - or Chubais or sMerdyukov! wassat
  30. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 February 2016 16: 58
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Well, how to say:

    1. This is far from a momentary matter.
    2. No one bothers to keep part of the old warehouses.
    3. No one cancels, as I understand it, their own warehouses of RAV and other good in parts (correct if wrong).
    4. And in general, who said that this is not just another props for misinformation "partners" wink

    now in Naro-Fominsk, near Moscow, the Nara PLC is being built, which will have to provide storage of about 220 thousand tons of materiel and about 4700 units of weapons and special equipment

    - in the Nara (Naro-Fominsk) on Shibankov lives 4-I Guards Kantemirovskaya tank division (he saw himself, gyyyy laughing) is the question of logistics.
    - I don’t understand only where they put this PLC there .. if only in place of the division warehouses belay

    Something like that..


    No one will save anything. As soon as they build (if they build) the old warehouses will be written off for optimization. Yes, it's a props. Only not for the "partners", they just usually know everything perfectly well, they, unlike us, do not work with the press, but with more reliable sources. This is a props for us, misinformation for us. Sorry, it looks like a cut. How it looked with the Mistrals, how it looked with Iveco's cars. As a result, it turned out. Well, they haven't bought Leopard tanks yet ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 29 February 2016 17: 38
      -1
      Quote: cobra77
      No one will save anything

      So.

      - the divisional warehouses in Naro-Fominsk are in such, sorry .. hole, that hardly anyone needs a place
      - Yandex maps show that they seem to be in place (I could be wrong, therefore "like")
      - this complex has been built since the 2014 year (by the way, I never found it on the map belay )
      - This is the first of three within the framework of the pilot project, according to the results they will decide whether others need to be built.

      Quote: cobra77
      Yes, it's a props. Just not for "partners", they usually know everything perfectly well

      Yes you, my friend .. pessimist wink not everything is known to them, not all laughing

      Quote: cobra77
      This is sorry for all the signs looks like a cut. How it looked with the Mistrals

      It is believed that the Mistrals are now oh, as if useful ..

      Quote: cobra77
      how it looked with Iveco cars

      It is believed that it was .. a stimulant for local equipment manufacturers ..

      Voooooot ...
  31. vovan089
    vovan089 29 February 2016 20: 43
    0
    This is the scale for theft. Urgently, Serdyuk and his female battalion must be returned. And, however, the next adventure !!! I wonder who the next noodle Putin hung on his ears ???
  32. Cobra77
    Cobra77 29 February 2016 20: 48
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null


    Quote: cobra77
    Yes, it's a props. Just not for "partners", they usually know everything perfectly well

    Yes you, my friend .. pessimist wink not everything is known to them, not all laughing

    Quote: cobra77
    This is sorry for all the signs looks like a cut. How it looked with the Mistrals

    It is believed that the Mistrals are now oh, as if useful ..

    Quote: cobra77
    how it looked with Iveco cars

    It is believed that it was .. a stimulant for local equipment manufacturers ..

    Voooooot ...


    I'm not a realist. I’ve been living for a long time, because I am a cynic and I don’t believe words, only deeds.

    Mistrals were not needed either then or now. Drive them like a Syrian express idiocy. It’s easier to transfer barges to the category of military ships and drive them. And for Mistral’s fighting, it’s not at all clear why? Papuans drive?

    Iveco stimulant? Yeah. Sure. Fuck there. Local and before it produced the same Tiger. He is no worse than Iveco. Quite the opposite. I remember trying from one such Iveco to make a cohesive machine for the Moscow Region. The equipment was crammed with difficulty, and the crew did not have any space left, the driver’s acre. Bad car in fact. But everything perfectly entered the Tiger. And there’s still room left, it’s ok to work. I have exactly one sensation left from Iveco - an expensive little Pontic car. Yes, inside if you do not shove anything, ride comfortably. But the car is not for taking girls to the beach.
  33. kmv.km
    kmv.km 29 February 2016 21: 38
    0
    And where does "theft, sawing the dough, nepotism, etc., etc." This is in any country, to a greater or lesser extent, we unfortunately have a huge ... BUT?
    Instead of 330 warheads, US strategic nuclear forces and their "allied partners" now need to "distract" 24 ??? And what about the rest of the additional "bonus" to the cities of Russia and its few allies?
    And then it was a sinful thing to think that START-4, thank God, will not happen. No matter how START-3 no longer provides "mutually assured destruction", or rather, it provides, but only to Russia ...
    Seen wrong ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 March 2016 01: 08
      0
      They don’t even have enough warheads for all of our military facilities, because the expenditure on the object is 2 to 4 warheads and a third of the arsenal will remain at the bases as a reserve.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 1 March 2016 12: 26
        0
        Well, then we expect a couple of reforms to enlarge and centralize military facilities, otherwise it is not convenient for partners am
  34. Gronsky
    Gronsky 29 February 2016 22: 02
    +1
    Quote: Pereira
    From the point of view of cost optimization - definitely profitable.

    And from the point of view of vulnerability in a special period, it is far from so unambiguous.
    bombing 24 large objects in one fell swoop is much easier and more reliable than 330 smaller, dispersed throughout the state, storage bases and arsenals. This is an option for folding explosive and not very eggs in one basket. In general, the decision is moot. We need to think hard.
    1. Egevich
      Egevich 29 February 2016 22: 52
      +1
      Quote: Gronsky
      Quote: Pereira
      From the point of view of cost optimization - definitely profitable.

      And from the point of view of vulnerability in a special period, it is far from so unambiguous.
      bombing 24 large objects in one fell swoop is much easier and more reliable than 330 smaller, dispersed throughout the state, storage bases and arsenals. This is an option for folding explosive and not very eggs in one basket. In general, the decision is moot. We need to think hard.

      there is an opinion that many nichromes (i.e. absolutely nothing) did not understand ... oh well ... soldier
      "Who does not understand, he will understand" (c) laughing
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 1 March 2016 20: 50
        0
        Izya take care of your nerves, do not tear your heart. hi
  35. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 March 2016 05: 39
    +1
    Here the man wrote above, for readers,
    that the article is about transshipment facilities.
    That is, not complexes of long-term storage.
    That is, there will be many long-term storage warehouses
    and there will be complexes that will be engaged in the transfer
    ammunition between these depots.
    I quote completely, that would not be looking

    http://vpk.name/news/143936_ministr_na_linii_ognya.html?new и звучит следующим образом, цитата:
    Logistics
    To improve and optimize the storage of weapons, missiles and ammunition, the construction of 390 (including 264 in the 2015 year) of 580 storage facilities was completed. The remaining 190 should be put into operation in 2016. Approximately 400 thousand tons of ammunition will be placed in the constructed storage facilities (currently more than 45 thousand tons).
    All storages are provided with modern security systems, equipped with mechanization facilities. In addition, they will eliminate the external impact on ammunition, ensure their safety and explosion and fire safety, and in case of emergency, prevent their spread to other objects.
    The construction of 22 modern fueling complexes in accordance with international standards is ongoing. Three such refueling complexes were built at 2014, and their construction at five more airfields was completed at 2015. Oil companies have invested in the construction and reconstruction of facilities for more than 12 billion. rubles.
    In accordance with the plan for the development of the Armed Forces, instead of 330 existing bases and warehouses, obsolete both morally and physically, the first of the 24 modern production and logistics complexes (PLCs) is being built in Naro-Fominsk. It is planned to be completed by the end of 2016 year. Before 2020, another 23 PLC will be built, equipped with advanced technologies for accounting and processing of goods, which will form a unified logistics system for storing stocks of material and technical equipment in the Armed Forces.
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 1 March 2016 22: 39
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Here the man wrote above, for readers,
      that the article is about transshipment facilities.
      .

      Thanks for clarifying.
      And then break your head for a penny ...