Evil Whirlwinds of History

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The decline of any empire begins with the decay of the ruling class. Architectural, technical, literary masterpieces are still being created in the country, and the army is still quite adequate, but the elite has already degraded. The pampered descendants of the great founders are unable to formulate the goals to which they lead the people. This is how the decay of Rome, Byzantium, the Ottoman Empire and many others began. historical powers. And it always ended in about the same way: economic breakdown, riots on the outskirts, a big war and complete collapse.



A simple observation shows that empires that arose in the Middle Ages or the new time have a lifespan of several centuries. Somehow, paradoxically, the founders laid a fairly large margin of safety. The empires, which arose conditionally in modern times, have a lifespan of several decades. We all know how long the Soviet Union existed. We all see how the deepest crisis of the empire, born after 1918, is now experiencing. One cannot say that all of them are doomed to disintegration, but only radical changes, “revolutions from above”, can save their state systems. But for such a decisive turn, leaders are needed who know exactly what the people want to lead to.

There are few such leaders. Some leaders just pull time in the chair, indulging in the pleasures of higher authorities, and do not think about the future of the state. The latter pull the ideas of past centuries out of naphthalene, without even trying to adapt them to the realities of the twenty-first century — despite the fact that it is entirely possible to adapt an adequate ideological base to the same new imperialism. The third rulers swing a whole heap of ideas (often opposite in content) to the public, jumping consistently from one of them to another, and vice versa.

Another phenomenon is the extinction of even the empires themselves, and the possibilities for their creation. In the XIX - early XX centuries. it was more difficult to build a great colonial empire than 200-300 years before. This is true not only for conventionally Western countries, but also for Muslim ones. The Great Arab Caliphate and the Ottoman Empire could arise only in a certain historical epoch. Already in the twentieth century, the maximum in the imperial plan that militant Islamism was able to create was Saudi Arabia. In the XXI century, he, in the person of the ISIS terrorists, most likely cannot even do this.

Another general law: the lack of turnover of persons leads to degradation. When at the top of management for years, and even decades, there are the same people, they are no longer able to adequately perceive the situation, and even more so, generate new ideas. All their forces are spent on freezing the current status and their own power, which in a rapidly changing world is fraught with disaster for the entire community.

This is true not only for great empires, but also for smaller human communities. For example, similar stages of development go through popular Internet sites: birth; the development and growth of the audience, the peak of popularity, extinction and extinction. Moreover, the beginning of the inevitable decline is both the absence of the desire of the administration to carry out changes in accordance with the minimum requirements of the new time, and vice versa too radical changes, but in the wrong direction.

True, if online communities or even large corporations survive such a cycle only once in their history, then things are different for peoples. One and the same people can experience takeoff and flowering several times in different historical eras. For example, the Greeks reached the peak of development both in the era of antiquity and in the Middle Ages (Byzantium), after which their country disappeared from the map for a long time. Freed from the Turkish yoke, Greece again slowly but inexorably moves its borders towards Constantinople. Russia also experienced several take-offs: Kievan Rus, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union. Similar processes can be observed in the history of any other significant country.

In the collapse of any empire, or just a state, we see several general points. Firstly, the management system becomes so inert and inadequate that it no longer manages the entire territory formally controlled by it. Secondly, the collapse of the general economy leads to the fact that the empire itself is fragmented into self-sufficient pieces while formally maintaining political unity for some time. Thirdly, the ruling leadership of such a country or empire finally loses any motives, except for preserving its own power. It has no agenda, no vision of the future, it can offer nothing to the nations, or the nations that make up the empire. It can only arrange repression against those who are dissatisfied and those who are ready to offer alternative development projects for the state. After all, an alternative project means that completely different people will be at the helm, and the current elite do not want to part with the authorities. Here the laws of society are again the same for all races: white, yellow, black, any other.

Of course, there are quite large countries that even with a serious crisis avoid the threat of collapse. Those who in successful times managed to create ethnic and, preferably, religious unity in the territory can even withstand a strong political storm. If we talk about revival, then there is an opinion that those empires that were destroyed from the outside at the peak of their development have the greatest chance, but there are not so many good examples of such revival to talk about stable historical law. Examples of the destruction of more than enough. Thus, the French and British colonial empires actually collapsed after the Second World War, although both Paris and London were formally listed as winners. The leadership of these countries has not been able to offer a sustainable model of development within the previous borders, and these borders have seriously shrunk. Later, the same fate befell the USSR.

In the middle of the 2010s, the era of the next total division of the world began, when national borders, ruling regimes change, the system of international relations and the global financial market are completely transformed. Similar events occurred earlier in the era of Napoleon's gains, after the world wars and in the period of the collapse of the global socialist system. Now comes a new stage of restructuring the world, which will be completely different from any of the previous ones. Survive and grow stronger in the coming cataclysms of those states that have created a sufficient economic and military reserve, and which will be able to motivate their people at a critical moment. It is they who will emerge from the new world redistribution, not only with the least losses, but with economic and territorial acquisitions - at the expense of those who are worse prepared for cataclysms.

So, all countries can be divided into those who are ready to meet the whirlwinds of history and those who are not ready. What category does the Russian Federation belong to? Let every reader decide for himself. For this it is enough just to answer a few questions - at least for yourself.

How strong is our economy? How independent is it from external regulators? Is most domestic products competitive in the global market, or at least in their own? Is science lagging behind the advanced countries, and if it is, then to what extent? Whether or not our army will withstand a clash with a comparable enemy power without the use of nuclear weapons? What is the threat of separatism in a critical situation? How united or disunited is society? How much power meets the interests of the nation?

If you have a satisfactory answer to all the questions - fine. And if you could not give such an answer to yourself, then this is a reason to think.
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  1. +4
    1 March 2016 06: 00
    No need to scoff at Marx. The class ruling with us? Also say the elite. We do not have such.
    1. +44
      1 March 2016 06: 21
      In Russia, we have both ruling classes and the elite.
      There are as many as two ruling classes - the bureaucracy and the bourgeoisie. Only the quality of these classes and elites leaves much to be desired. In them, frank traitors are also observed.
      The article poses the right and timely questions.
      1. +40
        1 March 2016 06: 45
        Quote: populist
        the quality of these classes and elites leaves much to be desired. In them, frank traitors are also observed.
        The article poses the right and timely questions.


        Our elite is not rotten yet?

        there comes a new stage in the reconstruction of the world, which will be completely unlike any of the previous ones. Those states that have created a sufficient economic and military reserve will survive and gain strength in the coming cataclysms,

        It is they who will come out of the new world redistribution not only with the least losses, but with economic and territorial gains - at the expense of those who are worse prepared for cataclysms.

        How strong is our economy? How independent is it from external regulators?
        Is the majority of domestic goods competitive in the world market, or at least on their own? Is science lagging behind the advanced countries, and if it is lagging, then to what extent?


        Where are our factories?
        What kind of education do we have?
        Where does medicine go?
        If everything around is being privatized and becoming private, and the relations of owners and employees become similar (I want to give a job but I want to kick it in the ass) to the relations of masters and slaves, then there is awareness that we are being drawn to the slave system.
        A small percentage of the population is almost all thieves, or fraudulently obtained property on guard of which there are all power structures and deputies, and the vast majority of the people with a bare ass, without means of production and land.
        Well, injustice cannot cause a desire to protect thieves and villains
        1. +7
          1 March 2016 06: 56
          sherp2015
          Our elite is not rotten yet?
          Where are our factories?
          What kind of education do we have?
          Where does medicine go?

          The author is concerned about these processes.
          1. -18
            1 March 2016 09: 05
            The decline of any empire begins with the decay of the ruling class.
            One cannot but agree that United Russia has done its job for the country, for the Unity of the people! Raised patriotism and pride for the Motherland to a high level, which "wanted the best" at the beginning of the century! And - "dizziness from success" intensified to putrefaction, decomposition, gorging, stripping. Now, so that confusion does not begin to increase, which (also obviously) exists, so that the collapse of the empire does not begin
            need a change of steering and a new course - socially and industrially oriented!
            Only technically and competently everything needs to be done!

            There is such a party !!! - V.I. Lenin!
            1. +27
              1 March 2016 09: 40
              Quote: Pravdarm
              "United Russia" has done its job for the country
              Several people from the EP only did this, count on one hand. And in the bulk there were the same faces who, in the early 90s, happily tore off their membership cards in front of a TV camera and threw them into garbage cans; they then moved en masse from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Komsomol to Our Home Russia. I suppose those events were not connected for them with a change of worldview; the party of the bosses just changed its name. As soon as Putin took up the Popular Front, they were drawn there like flies to ... This is their credo - "Always!" And worthy people have always been in the CPSU and among the liberals, but they do not strive for power, since a political career usually requires actions that are incompatible with the concept of a worthy person.
              1. -23
                1 March 2016 10: 34
                Quote: Stanislav
                Several people from EP were only doing this, count on the fingers. And in the bulk of the same people flashed who in the early 90s joyfully tore their party cards in front of the camera and threw them into garbage cans

                Now EP is being updated, completely different people will go to the 2016 elections with a different program.
                1. +9
                  1 March 2016 11: 07
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Now EP is being updated, completely different people will go to the 2016 elections with a different program.

                  Those. now they will "tilt" the people in a special way, politely, Like, "Good evening"laughing
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                  2. -16
                    1 March 2016 11: 40
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Those. now they will "tilt" the people in a special way, politely, Like, "Good evening

                    Well, if you are "tilted" and further "tilted" these are your problems, do not speak for everyone.
                    And about the renewal of personnel EP-
                    Russian Prime Minister, Chairman of United Russia Dmitry Medvedev announced the need for mandatory rotation of personnel in the top leadership of the party.

                    "There is nothing wrong with that. Personnel renewal always benefits the cause. New people come who bring fresh ideas and a new look at solving problems. The party must change," he said, speaking at the first stage of the XNUMXth Congress of United Russia ".
                    1. +2
                      1 March 2016 11: 51
                      Quote: RUSS
                      if you are "tilted" and further "tilted" these are your problems, do not speak for everyone.

                      And apparently, the increase in fiscal fees does not concern you, Karl? Looting the country doesn't bother you either, Karl?
                      And a multiple rise in the cost of medicines is also not important to you, is it, Karl?
                      Quote: RUSS
                      Russian Prime Minister, Chairman of United Russia Dmitry Medvedev announced the need for mandatory rotation of personnel in the top leadership of the party.

                      If for you, Karl, this parody of a politician, authority, then there’s nothing to talk about with you, Karl !!!!
                      Vata is your destiny, Carl ... hi
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                      2. 0
                        1 March 2016 12: 01
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        And apparently, the increase in fiscal fees does not concern you, Karl? the looting of the country doesn’t bother you either, Karl? And the multiple rise in the cost of medicines is also not important for you, is it, Karl?


                        No Friedrich, does not bother.
                        And why do you ascribe all the above Frederick said exactly to United Russia?
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        then there’s nothing to talk to you about, Karl !!!! Vata is your destiny, Karl ...

                        Friedrich, and you boor, your destiny is to hang on the forum, since you are a loser and a loser, blame everyone and everything for their troubles because you yourself are worthless!
                        hi
                      3. +1
                        1 March 2016 12: 22
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Frederick, and you boor, your destiny is to fuss about the forum, since you are a loser and a loser,

                        I agree, Carl, my fate is inseparable from the fate of the people, Carl.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        blame everyone and everything for their troubles because you yourself are worthless!

                        It's strange ... why is a thief in your understanding not a thief, and at what "nest" is there my "troubles and adversities"? request
                        Your cotton is extremely excited and aggressive, Carl laughing
                      4. -5
                        1 March 2016 17: 32
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        I agree, Carl, my fate is inseparable from the fate of the people, Carl.

                        Evo, as you wrapped up, everyone builds their own destiny.
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        It’s strange ... why the thief in your understanding is not a thief,

                        Only the court has the right to decide who the thief is, the rest is slander.
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        Your cotton is extremely excited and aggressive.

                        Try Frederick cotton, and God grant you health.
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                      6. -1
                        1 March 2016 17: 48
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Try Frederick Wadding
                      7. +2
                        2 March 2016 12: 53
                        When it comes to the rotation of United Russia, it seems that they are seated changing chairs. So here, everyone is disgusted, a cabal.
                    2. +12
                      1 March 2016 12: 06
                      Are you serious? The whole problem is that the same people are used as rotation, they are simply periodically thrown from place to place. A person with an independent and independent position will never fall into EP (and not only into EP, but generally into power), he will never be allowed to go there. Since such people can undermine the stability of this whole filthy system from the inside, in which everyone would not create. And if this system crashes, because its former participants will have to answer for their deeds ... And since the filter system exists, negative selection is in full effect, the main thing is to broadcast on TV from time to time about modernization and updating.
                      1. -7
                        1 March 2016 12: 21
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Are you serious?

                        On February 15, United Russia launched a nomination for participation in the preliminary voting (primaries) for the selection of candidates for the elections to the State Duma. The registration process for its participants must be completed by April 15th. The list of required documents for registration of a participant in the primaries includes, among other things: an application, a copy of a passport, a copy of an education document, a certificate from the place of work, a certificate of no criminal record, photographs. Within five days after the submission of documents, the regional committee must make a decision on registration or refusal to register. If a potential participant is denied registration, he has five days to contact the federal organizing committee.

                        The primaries themselves will be held across the country on May 22. They will be secret and rating. This means that each voter will be able to vote not for one candidate, but for several in each list. The party leadership hopes that this will help identify leaders of public opinion. On the eve of the primaries, candidates will hold meetings with voters and other campaign events, and participation in them is mandatory. To conduct preliminary voting, a federal organizing committee was created, as well as 85 regional ones, which included the heads of the regional executive committees of United Russia. About a third of their members are representatives of public associations, mass media, and leaders of public opinion.


                        Quote: uhu189
                        The whole problem is that the same people are used as rotation

                        According to the charter of the EP, the annual rotation of the management team is –15%, thus the composition of the councils completely changes over six years, while maintaining continuity. Since there was no congress last year, this year the Supreme and General Councils were updated by 30%.
                        Any resident of the country can try his hand at primaries if he is not a member of another party.
                      2. +5
                        1 March 2016 15: 18
                        Sorry, of course, but I don’t even want to comment. I will not persuade you of anything, and I think I will not succeed.
                      3. 0
                        1 March 2016 23: 54
                        Quote: uhu189
                        Sorry, of course, but I don’t even want to comment. I will not persuade you of anything, and I think I will not succeed.

                        I'm not sorry, any member of the EP can be nominated for the primaries, why? "Are these Beatles scary?
                      4. +2
                        2 March 2016 13: 07
                        Blessed is he who believes ... If we assume that elitism is a measure of resourcefulness, then it is perfectly acceptable to attract relatives, homeless people on maintenance, just new faces from the street, outback, wise men with pseudonyms and so on and so forth ... The flag will not drop out Your hands, you are our elite!
                      5. +3
                        1 March 2016 14: 00
                        Quote: uhu189
                        a person with an independent independent position, he will never be allowed to go there. Since such people can undermine the stability of this whole filthy system from the inside, in which everyone doesn’t create anything

                        He will get there, but he will very quickly become part of the system, will change his views, unless of course he is a complete scumbag.
                      6. +2
                        1 March 2016 20: 07
                        Quote: tomket
                        very quickly become part of the system

                        Ariman's arrow, like Efremov's in "The Hour of the Bull."
                      7. 0
                        2 March 2016 00: 00
                        Quote: tomket
                        Quote: uhu189
                        a person with an independent independent position, he will never be allowed to go there. Since such people can undermine the stability of this whole filthy system from the inside, in which everyone doesn’t create anything

                        He will get there, but he will very quickly become part of the system, will change his views, unless of course he is a complete scumbag.

                        You confuse EP with industry and regional clans.
                      8. -1
                        2 March 2016 12: 56
                        The "weak link" should be disposed of in time - the law of development "urya-liberation"!
                    3. +7
                      1 March 2016 13: 34
                      Another 5-10 congresses (+ -) and they will begin to tear their uniform party cards and reject the EP, just as they already did with the tickets of the CPSU of the USSR. Why not?
                      Now the children have come to power of former leaders from the Communist Party of the USSR and they rule the country. How will they violate if their dads leaked the Soviet Union for personal gain!
                      1. +2
                        1 March 2016 14: 07
                        Quote: Volzhanin
                        Another 5-10 congresses (+ -) and they will begin to tear their uniform party cards and reject the EP, just as they already did with the tickets of the CPSU of the USSR.

                        Yes, already in the new Russia all this was! Almost all of these people were members of Chernomyrdin's party "Our Home Russia" at one time ... It doesn't matter WHICH party, it is important that the party is in power.
                      2. 0
                        2 March 2016 00: 03
                        Quote: andj61
                        Quote: Volzhanin
                        Another 5-10 congresses (+ -) and they will begin to tear their uniform party cards and reject the EP, just as they already did with the tickets of the CPSU of the USSR.

                        Yes, already in the new Russia all this was! Almost all of these people were part of Chernomyrdin's party "Our Home Russia" at one time ... It doesn’t matter WHAT the party is, it’s important that the party in power.

                        Voot, and flies for food.
                    4. 0
                      1 March 2016 13: 57
                      Quote: RUSS
                      Personnel updates always benefit the cause. New people come

                      Tili-tili, trawl-wali))))
                    5. +1
                      1 March 2016 21: 48
                      Quote: RUSS
                      Dmitry Medvedev said

                      Already funny laughing
                  3. +1
                    1 March 2016 13: 56
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Those. now they will "tilt" the people in a special way, politely, Like, "Good evening"

                    And then say - "We need to be patient a little more"))))
                    1. +2
                      1 March 2016 20: 16
                      But you do not tolerate, you act - be your own boss.
                      1. +2
                        1 March 2016 22: 31
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        But you do not tolerate, you act - be your own boss.

                        Right! Tomorrow I will refuel gasoline at 18 rub. per liter. I will buy a domestic Vesta suite for 350 thousand. I will repair all the roads, raise my salary, give my parents a pension, throw the fascist scum out of the neighboring region, stop transferring money abroad to the offshore. I will be my own boss))))
                      2. -1
                        2 March 2016 09: 26
                        I meant go in for your business.
                  4. 0
                    1 March 2016 20: 13
                    Who are these people? Where are they? Why do not they travel to the regions, do not listen to the wishes of voters?
                2. +4
                  1 March 2016 13: 28
                  The EP has already discredited itself so much that it can only be mentally handicapped or clinging to the feeding trough or under duress (as in our Samara Region all state employees vote).
                  As for the LDPR, the CPSU, they are in the same position, and even worse, because essentially are vassals of EP.
                  If these two "parties" (especially the Communist Party of the Soviet Union) had renewed their composition, replaced the "leaders" who had become sick of everyone, and at least did something ...
                  I don’t even want to talk about the rest.
                  1. +1
                    1 March 2016 16: 50
                    Communist Party, not the Communist Party. Well, what about voting, they don’t care. Administrative resource or no matter how they vote, the main thing is how to count.
                  2. +1
                    1 March 2016 16: 50
                    Communist Party, not the Communist Party. Well, what about voting, they don’t care. Administrative resource or no matter how they vote, the main thing is how to count.
                3. 0
                  6 March 2016 12: 07
                  Until recently, I supported United Russia. But then I asked myself a question. Everyone can see what "figures" were in our government and other leadership! And what did the party do to kick out the Serdyukovs, Chubais, Grefs ???? Where did they look ??? I'd better vote for others, maybe they'll change for the better. And Edro fucked up his chance !!! Thank you, no more !!!
            2. -11
              1 March 2016 10: 02
              Quote: Pravdarm
              There is such a party !!! - V.I. Lenin!
              Back to the past? I do not want to live in a country where 99% of the population are poor and 1% on state support. I want to live in a country of rich people, in which even the last beggar does not climb into garbage cans and does not ask for mercy! They wanted the revolution, the blood of the people? fool angry
              1. +12
                1 March 2016 10: 09
                Quote: fif21
                They wanted the revolution, the blood of the people?

                bourgeois want Yes
                1. -1
                  1 March 2016 11: 10
                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  bourgeois want

                  Drink hematogen (bovine blood) bloodthirsty You are ours laughing
                2. +3
                  1 March 2016 12: 04
                  PHANTOM-AS (2) RU Today, 10:09 ↑ New
                  Quote: FIF21
                  They wanted the revolution, the blood of the people?
                  bourgeois want yes


                  Petersburg, 1917:
                  - Mistress, mistress - look what is happening on the streets !!
                  - what is going on?
                  - Yes, people went to the barricades, they are making a revolution like your grandfather, the Decembrist!
                  - and what do they require?
                  - they demand that there be no rich people !!
                  - hmmm ... there is something wrong ... My grandfather wanted something not to be poor ...
              2. +9
                1 March 2016 10: 22
                Quote: fif21
                They wanted the revolution, the blood of the people?

                Yes, as it were, revolutionary processes are taking place without your or our special desire and permission. Lenin also wanted a revolution, but until the last moment did not see the possibilities of starting it. And when the classic "the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes do not want" happens, then neither you nor us will be asked whether we want to or not. And apparently the TOP can no longer, and the BOTTOM does not want to. Take at least this thrice damned gasoline.
                1. -5
                  1 March 2016 11: 23
                  Quote: tomket
                  then neither you nor us will be asked whether we want or not.
                  You ask yourself what you want, Great Russia or great shocks ?! Or should stupid people learn from their mistakes? Ukraine is not an example for you? hi
                  1. +7
                    1 March 2016 11: 33
                    Quote: fif21
                    You ask yourself what you want Great Russia

                    Where did you get the idea that under the current leaders and the current government will be that Great Russia?
                    Quote: fif21
                    or great shocks?

                    And the second thought, why should there be shocks when changing power?
                    Quote: fif21
                    Ukraine is not an example for you?

                    the redistribution of property in Ukraine m / y by Russian and other oligarchs, is this really a revolution?
                    1. 0
                      1 March 2016 11: 59
                      Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                      And the second thought, why should there be shocks when changing power?
                      After this question, you are simply not interesting to me. Explain particularly gifted-ELECTION! -Change of power without shocks. Everything else has its own name (rebellion, coup, revolution ..) hi
                      1. +2
                        1 March 2016 14: 43
                        Quote: fif21
                        After this question, you are simply not interesting to me. Explain particularly gifted-ELECTION! -Change of power without shocks. Everything else has its own name (rebellion, coup, revolution ..)

                        Did I ask you for a definition? You did not understand the essence of the matter, my dear.
                        Well yes, the Lord is with you Yes

                        but for you personally, and not for the "especially gifted", I will say:
                        A revolution, whether from below, from above, from above, with these trends, is inevitable and here tomket is 1000 times right, without mine and your Wishlist.
                        Otherwise, Russia expects a dull extinction under a variety of duroscopic slogans, messages and straight lines.
                        And it is a pity that cotton candy does not want to understand this. hi
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                    3. 0
                      1 March 2016 13: 57
                      Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                      redistribution of property in Ukraine m / s by Russian and other oligarchs
                      Yatsenyuk sells Ukrainian lands to Russian oligarchs? laughing Hang it up soon, and that's the end of it. And then make Biden very angry with your statements - "redistribution", with whom he was going to share, he was asked?
                  2. +4
                    1 March 2016 13: 54
                    Quote: fif21
                    You ask yourself what you want, Great Russia or great shocks ?!

                    I repeat to you once again, your or my wishlist or not wishlist will absolutely not affect the development of revolutionary processes. You never know what Lenin wanted with the Bolsheviks in the 1916 year. Yes, and in February 1917, he also wanted a lot of things, but it was the Bolsheviks who broke off.
                    Quote: fif21
                    Or should stupid people learn from their mistakes?

                    Are you telling me this? You better convey to Putin with Medvedev. Recall the 17 year, so to speak.
                    Quote: fif21
                    Ukraine is not an example for you?

                    Twenty five again. Well, apparently someone else's experience for the government-not experience.
              3. +8
                1 March 2016 10: 34
                Quote: fif21
                I want to live in a country of rich people

                You are then in Switzerland, expensive, quiet and boring, they really go to Germany to go shopping
              4. +2
                1 March 2016 10: 46
                burn on, capitalists love idiots
                1. 0
                  1 March 2016 11: 06
                  Quote: fif21
                  I do not want to live in a country where 99% of the population are poor and 1% on state support.
                  Who hammered such nonsense to him ?! Although it’s clear who! Echo b-b! And others like them!
                  I want to live in a country of rich people
                  Need to work! And above yourself - first of all! Over the brains !!! Independent work!
                  1. -4
                    1 March 2016 11: 43
                    Quote: Pravdarm
                    Who hammered such nonsense to him ?! Although it’s clear who! Echo b-b! And others like them!
                    Son! I lived in the USSR for 30 years, my parents were not party workers and civil servants, and I do not know how we lived from films and books. Nonsense is your slogans: "Land for the peasants", "Factories for workers", "Power to the Soviets." In reality, "Land for collective farms", "Factories for ministries", "Power to the party leader"
                    Quote: Pravdarm
                    Need to work!

                    And here I agree with you 100%.
                    1. +2
                      1 March 2016 12: 01
                      I have lived in the USSR for 16 years! And he said that it was necessary to do it skillfully, competently! My parents are engineers, grandfather was a colonel!
                      They lived, worked, ate and drank well!

                      PS:
                      In reality, "Land for collective farms", "Factories for ministries", "Power to the party leader"
                      But in reality, this is all for the capitalists and oligarchs, for whom people are dirty and money! And in the USSR EVERYTHING provided free education and medical care !!! And work!
                      And you, apparently, are offended and offended!
                      Father!
                    2. +8
                      1 March 2016 12: 03
                      Since I am at PravdARM in an emergency (after yesterday's "Turkish tanks in Syria" and "all migrants to pass through a polygraph", gyyyy laughing ), let me just join. "Life experience in the USSR", however, is slightly less ..

                      - the slogans were, yeah .. "Glory to the Communist Party", "The economy must be economical", and so on
                      - the Soviets, as such, did not have power. Power was in city committees, district committees and other "comas"
                      - Anyone lived very sour, I emphasize - any asset. What is Komsomol, what is trade union. I’m silent about the party
                      - at work it really worked .. yes, 15 percent offhand .. the rest - so, the number was serving. Although .. hitting, for example, on some thread "potato", normally worked hard. But they also booted at the same time, essno lol
                      - but the work was guaranteed, non-working (and at the same time efficient) was considered a parasite, with all the consequences
                      - all those who stuck to the distribution of goods (food, for example) lived quite well: "warehouse manager, store director" (c) A. Raikin

                      That was such a beautiful life belay
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                  1 March 2016 12: 01
                  Quote: Mareman Vasilich
                  burn on, capitalists love idiots
                  The communists just adore them laughing
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            3. +4
              1 March 2016 10: 12
              party of thieves
            4. +6
              1 March 2016 10: 25
              Well, what did this "party" consisting of swindlers, thieves, and also all sorts of general prosecutors covering them, we know well! And the only thing they deserve is Kolyma.
              1. +1
                1 March 2016 20: 23
                And you will find the economic indicators of Russia from 2000 to 2015 and you will see, clearly, what the party of crooks and thieves did.
            5. +3
              1 March 2016 11: 01
              Quote: Pravdarm
              Only technically and competently everything needs to be done!

              There is such a party !!! - V.I. Lenin!

              V.I. there are more quotes ... He was great, I admit it. And the first quote is reminiscent of boxing. "Don't look that I am small. But I am technical ...". The party members in the Duma have only one diploma and technique - ripped off from the Naglo-Saxons. Interlinear translation without bothering.
            6. -1
              1 March 2016 20: 12
              Yeah !!! And also, We began to dress a lot better and not so much that right now and Putin we all won and raised Russia.
            7. +1
              1 March 2016 21: 05
              Quote: Pravdarm
              "United Russia" has done its job for the country, for the Unity of the people!


              EdRo - in the garbage can!
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        2. +4
          1 March 2016 07: 02
          Quote: sherp2015
          If everything around is privatized and becomes private,

          The whole world lives like this.
          Quote: sherp2015
          relations of owners and employees become similar (I want to give a job and I want to kick in the ass) to the relations of masters and slaves, then there is an awareness that we are being drawn to the slave system.

          This means that the country does not live according to laws, but "according to concepts." By the way, where are the trade unions that regularly collect contributions and forget to defend the rights of workers?
          1. +13
            1 March 2016 07: 23
            Quote: Bayonet

            This means that the country does not live according to laws, but "according to concepts." By the way, where are the trade unions that regularly collect contributions and forget to defend the rights of workers?

            Today unions are the tame dogs of the ruling class. In Tataria, for example, they do not bother to protect the interests of workers, but calmly ennoble their life. So in the Crimean Foros, not far from the Gorbachev dacha, the Tatarstan trade union organization named after Vodopyanova bought itself a sanatorium for 1,5 "yards".
            1. +2
              1 March 2016 12: 01
              Quote: Mangel Olys
              Today, unions are the tame dog of the ruling class.

              I sent this union away 10 years ago and did not lose anything! Why feed the parasites? hi
            2. 0
              1 March 2016 21: 09
              Quote: Mangel Olys
              Today, unions are the tame dog of the ruling class.


              If only today. Do you know the cartoon "Leader" by Herluf Bidstrup? And what year was it painted?
          2. -2
            1 March 2016 09: 58
            Quote: Bayonet
            Quote: sherp2015
            If everything around is privatized and becomes private

            The whole world lives like this.
            This is from the series "everyone is stealing" - a convenient slogan during the redistribution of property.
        3. +6
          1 March 2016 08: 01
          Usually it ends with the same thing.
          The revolution.
          1. +1
            1 March 2016 09: 38
            Quote: Darkness
            Usually it ends with the same thing.
            The revolution.

            Hurry already!
            End this scum and start living, as the grandfathers taught.
            1. 0
              1 March 2016 09: 51
              This will not be exact anymore, since revolutions do not lead to anything good and now people don’t have time for all kinds of nonsense, because they are busy - they work, and revolutions are the lot of loafers, fools and mediocrity - all their attempts are something, now, crank will be doomed to failure, with a bang.
              1. -1
                1 March 2016 09: 53
                this is just your opinion
              2. +2
                1 March 2016 10: 09
                Quote: Vadim237
                revolutions do not lead to anything good
                The evolution of power is possible if work is carried out in parallel with people and laws, but for this a “good tsar” is constantly needed until the system of power begins to reproduce itself in a new capacity, supplying upward not kickbacks, but managers with state thinking.
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                  1 March 2016 11: 06
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  until the power system begins to reproduce itself in a new quality, delivering upward not kickbacks, but managers with state thinking.

                  The main problem here is how to protect it from democracy (in the sense, from the power of the American people). And then instantly we will be controlled by Pegasus.
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                    1 March 2016 11: 13
                    Quote: 97110
                    the problem is how to protect it from democracy (in the sense - from the power of the American people)
                    I also think that until we protect ourselves from the intrusive services of "experts in democracy", we will not be able to put things in order and strengthen people's confidence in our government, and not just Putin.
        4. +5
          1 March 2016 09: 35
          Quote: sherp2015
          Where are our factories?

          At Mardashov's, Deripaska, Vekselberg, Ottoman and other Abramovich
          Quote: sherp2015
          If everything around is being privatized and becoming private, and the relations of owners and employees become similar (I want to give a job but I want to kick it in the ass) to the relations of masters and slaves, then there is awareness that we are being drawn to the slave system.

          a case in point is the explosion at the Severnaya mine owned by Mardashov.
          Quote: sherp2015
          A small percentage of the population is almost all thieves, or fraudulently obtained property on guard of which there are all power structures and deputies, and the vast majority of the people with a bare ass, without means of production and land.

          For this, the USSR was destroyed.
          Quote: sherp2015
          Well, injustice cannot cause a desire to protect thieves and villains

          Protect?
          There is one desire to PUNISH and DESTROY !!!
        5. +4
          1 March 2016 10: 53
          Quote: sherp2015
          Well, injustice cannot cause a desire to protect thieves and villains

          Eck you bent ... But what about "It smells of Russia"? Are you calling for anti-government actions? Do you risk attracting the attention of security agencies? So why did Russia have humane sovereigns, but even class-related shakers of the foundations were hung up. For example, on the shaft of the crownwork of the Peter and Paul Fortress. And they were not ashamed of the rottenness of the regime - they hung them on rotten ropes.
        6. 0
          1 March 2016 12: 12
          My friend, to understand the situation, you need to know where we were, where now and where we are going, that is. entire historical perspective. And you consider only a momentary situation and that with distortions.
          1. +1
            1 March 2016 14: 49
            Quote: Alex von Dorn
            My friend,

            Too shy to ask, your post about whom? Who is your friend, is it possible to indicate explicitly? Well, at least as I am on you, with your finger.
      2. +9
        1 March 2016 06: 59
        Quote: populist
        There are as many as two ruling classes - the bureaucracy and the bourgeoisie

        One is the bourgeoisie, the bureaucracy is a kind of tool that generates the bourgeoisie through various corruption schemes
        1. -1
          1 March 2016 07: 25
          Classes as SUSTAINABLE social groups, whose social status was most often inherited, have not been around the world for a hundred years. This is earlier, if you are a nobleman by birth, then your children will inherit the title, and with it special rights and obligations. If your father is a peasant working for a feudal lord or a craftsman, the same fate awaits you. The traditional gradation into classes in Europe is akin to Indian maps, where such a division is even more pronounced. But the castes are gone, as the classes are gone. The ancestors of today's millionaires could well be peasants or workers. States are made in one generation, and the next generation is completely squandered. Reliability to the elite is not automatically given at birth, money comes and goes, leaders change, and with them the outlines of states change. Forget about classes - a relic of feudalism, it has long been over. History does not stand still, but continues to evolve. Perhaps we will return to neo-feudalism sometime, but this will be a completely different story. . .
          1. +9
            1 March 2016 07: 42
            Quote: Nikolai K
            Forget about classes - a relic of feudalism, it has long been over.

            Here they are trying to somehow revive the monarchy, and you say it's over :-)
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            2. +6
              1 March 2016 08: 07
              This is yes. We were still led, then Putin has daughters, not sons, otherwise a new operation "heir" would have already begun. ... ... wink Although, maybe already sons. . .
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              2. +3
                1 March 2016 12: 18
                Quote: Nikolai K
                That is yes. We were still told that Putin has daughters, not sons,

                Lukashenko has a son, is preparing a shift! wink
            3. +2
              1 March 2016 08: 31
              sa-ag: Here they are trying to somehow revive the monarchy, and you say it's over.
              It is curious who and how is trying to revive the monarchy. These are all fictions, speculation, gossip and fantasies. There are no legal heirs, everything is very simple, the imposters remained. Therefore, this should not be taken seriously.
              1. +6
                1 March 2016 09: 42
                Quote: bober1982
                There are no legal heirs, everything is very simple, the impostors remained.

                Well, think, it’s necessary to inherit Romanov or something, engineer Garin somehow did not bother :-)
            4. -2
              1 March 2016 08: 37
              In fact, many of those present here were brought up on the dogmas of Marxism-Leninism, the basis of class theory. But they somehow do not take into account that Karl Marx lived in the era of the formation of capitalism, when many feudal remnants, such as the class, were not yet done away with. Despite his advanced ideas, he himself remained a hostage of class thinking, driven into the heads of the European man in the street over the centuries of feudalism. In fact, class or caste is the hallmark of feudalism (I consider the slave system to be one of its varieties). Class character is only an integral element of the "division of labor", which made it possible at a certain stage in the development of civilization to increase labor productivity. A father from an early age taught his son his profession, passing on the experience and knowledge accumulated by previous generations. It was the experience of a peasant, artisan, warrior, etc. Remember how Alexander Nevsky, from the age of 4, took part in the military campaigns of his father. The classes made it possible to accumulate and transfer knowledge and experience from generation to generation; there was simply no other opportunity to do this. Therefore, in due time classes have become a positive social innovation. But as soon as the rates of development of science and society reached certain values, schools appeared, i.e. the ability to transfer knowledge in a different way than from father to son, classes, as predetermined by birth, social division of labor, began to hinder the development of society. Classes were replaced by personal freedom and capitalism as the successor to feudalism. Therefore, a class is a DISTINCTIVE feature of feudalism, not characteristic of society, not before or after it. Yes, the story develops in a spiral. Many people compare a communist society with a primitive communal society, where there is also no ownership of the means of production and from each according to his ability and to each according to his work. Maybe on the way from capitalism to communism we will again need the division of society into classes by birthright, but I very much doubt this.
              1. +3
                1 March 2016 08: 55
                K. Marx had no idea about any classes, and what kind of class thinking he could then speak about.
                For the first time the concept of what a class is (class struggle) was voiced by V. I. Lenin in his work "Great Initiative" (1919)
                This work of him can be attributed to relics of the past, along with feudal remnants.
            5. -1
              1 March 2016 09: 18
              Quote: sa-ag
              Here they are trying to somehow revive the monarchy, and you say it's over: -

              Oddly enough, I am for the monarchy. As for the system. The author in the article issued the thesis -
              lack of change of persons leads to degradation.

              In reality, we see something else. There (in VO) there are many readers, and they probably read a book "Project Russia"The first is natural. So, the advantages of the monarchist system (which are very difficult to refute), and the huge disadvantages of democracy are described very logically there. If you make a table listing the pros and cons of different forms of government (with examples), then the worst form of government will be precisely democracy. After all, it is she who allows all crooks to break through to the top. What we see now, remembering Stalin. But if you think about it, there were a lot of signs of autocracy in the rule of Stalin. hi
              1. +6
                1 March 2016 09: 45
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                then the worst form of government will be precisely democracy. After all, it is she who allows all crooks to break through to the top.

                And then under Nicholas II there were no rogues around the authorities and there wasn’t in it, it’s not necessary to idealize the monarchy as a system, upon closer examination, facts with nasty faces begin to come out
                1. +3
                  1 March 2016 09: 49
                  Vile faces climb from the creation of the world, and you find fault with monarchist crooks.
                2. +3
                  1 March 2016 09: 57
                  Quote: sa-ag
                  And then under Nicholas II

                  There were. But there were enough honest people. If we compare, then the freaks in power since the 91st year were ten times more than for the entire reign of the weak-willed Nikolashka. And if you compare the rule of GDP with the rule of John Vasilyevich, Catherine II, Alexander the Third - only tears. Under a monarchy, the probability of a bad king is lower than the probability of EBN, LADIES and etc. wink History proves. No wonder all the left-wing liberals fought precisely with the monarchies. hi
                  1. +5
                    1 March 2016 10: 11
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Under a monarchy, the probability of a bad king is lower than the probability of EBN, DAMA, etc. coming to the helm. History proves.

                    You can’t argue with history, so look at it from Peter, so Peter I plus, Anna Ioanovna with Biron minus, Elisavet Petrovna plus, Peter III minus (not true for long), Catherine II plus, Paul I minus, Alexander I plus (for Napoleon ), Nicholas I minus for the Arakcheevschina, Alexander II on the one hand minus for the Crimean war with Alaska, on the other plus for the reform of 1861, Alexander III well, let's say plus for the Russian-Turkish wars, Nicholas II minus solid starting from Khodynka, so the probability 50%, no different from any other
                    1. 0
                      1 March 2016 10: 28
                      You got a complete mess in regal persons, strictly you tamed them all and unfairly, and I must say, not very competently. To be exact, according to the notorious class theory. K. Marx + V.I. Lenin applaud and laugh.
                      1. +4
                        1 March 2016 10: 37
                        Quote: bober1982
                        You got a complete mess for the royal people, strictly you tamed them all and unfairly

                        Did you feel sorry for Paul I? :-)
                      2. +2
                        1 March 2016 11: 24
                        not only for Paul, for everyone! Judge for yourself what you write:
                        - Alexander II did not start the Crimean War, he should not be blamed. He began hasty reforms, rampant terrorism, chaos.
                        - Alexander III, what advantages can he put for Russian-Turkish the war, the peacemaker, commanded a battalion during the Turkish war, being the heir. Which side does he have to do with Turkish wars.
                        - Nicholas I,arakcheevschinabut you have beguiled the era, the time of Arakcheev has passed, and so appreciate the reign of the king, who crushed all heresy in Russia and Europe. The heyday of theater, literature.
                        - Pavel I, tried to put in order the state affairs, very upset by the affairs of his great mother, I must say very much these affairs were upset. He was killed by the Masons.
                        - Anna Ioannovna, pursued a generally wise policy, Biron, rather like an anecdote (slandered), pursued state policy, deserved.
                        - Elisavet Petrovna, this of course is a big plus, daughter of Peter, the guard, television series, romantic, only a big plus.
                        - Nicholas II, even though they didn’t call Nicholas, thanks for that.
                        - Catherine II, immediately put a plus, and during her reign: the most wars, the largest decline in men, the most hungry years, the most riots (Pugachev, a real war)
                    2. +2
                      1 March 2016 10: 30
                      Quote: sa-ag
                      so the probability of 50% is no different from any other

                      And if you compare with the current "kings"? wink
                      1. +3
                        1 March 2016 11: 13
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And if you compare with the current "kings"?

                        gopotu with kings and, especially, with leaders, well, it’s you, old man, bent wassat
                    3. 0
                      1 March 2016 21: 22
                      Don’t get upset ... Netushki, and we’ll take a look from the beginning of the Romanov dynasty: Mikhail, Alexei, Fedor, Sophia are an unconditional plus, Peter I is more likely minus, Anna Ioannovna with Biron is more likely plus, Elisavet Petrovna plus, Peter III plus (and do not believe black PR!), Catherine II is not the fact that plus, Paul I plus (the same about PR!), Alexander I minus (for Napoleon - for all these wars were fought for the good of England, which he had on the hook - and for arakcheevschina, connoisseur of history you are ours fool ), Nicholas I is more likely a plus, but a minus for the Crimean War - just for him! Alexander II, on the other hand, is a plus for the reform of 1861, Alexander III, well, let's say a plus for the Russian-Turkish wars (which ones? What was he called "Peacemaker"? fool ), Nicholas II "minus the solid starting from Khodynka" - and the growth of the economy and civil liberties do not count ?. ,
                      But after the tsars — Lenin — the fattening minus, Stalin — the sum was more likely a plus, although there were enough minuses, Kukuruznik — the fatty minus, Brezhnev — rather a plus, RFP can not be considered too long; Humpbacked - a fatty minus, EBN - there will not be enough minuses at all!
                      So, the Romanovs have pluses and minuses about 2: 1, and commies - 1: 2!
              2. +2
                1 March 2016 13: 41
                And I'm for veche right! What `s next?
          2. +4
            1 March 2016 07: 52
            Quote: Nikolai K
            Classes as SUSTAINABLE social groups, whose social status was most often inherited, have not been around the world for a hundred years. This is earlier, if you are a nobleman by birth, then your children will inherit the title, and with it special rights and obligations. If your father is a peasant working for a feudal lord or a craftsman, the same fate awaits you. The traditional gradation into classes in Europe is akin to Indian maps, where such a division is even more pronounced. But the castes are gone, as the classes are gone. The ancestors of today's millionaires could well be peasants or workers. States are made in one generation, and the next generation is completely squandered. Reliability to the elite is not automatically given at birth, money comes and goes, leaders change, and with them the outlines of states change. Forget about classes - a relic of feudalism, it has long been over. History does not stand still, but continues to evolve. Perhaps we will return to neo-feudalism sometime, but this will be a completely different story. . .

            Here, in my opinion, not everything is correct. Classes are more of a sign of exploitation, i.e. no one canceled them, since exploitation has always existed even in the USSR, just the form and slogans were different. Herbert Wells in his book "The Time Machine" wrote a very interesting phrase that, in my opinion, characterizes modernity and history:

            "Once upon a time Humanity reached the point where everyone's life and property were completely safe. The rich knew that his well-being and comfort were inviolable, and the poor was content with the fact that he was provided with life and work."


            I think this is the characteristic of the world, or what this world always strives for. But today you really can't find classes in their standard understanding, but they are. I would divide so the elite (persons at the helm of the state, including the financial elite), the middle class (media businessmen who influence the minds and have stable incomes, are relatively free and independent) and the plebs (all the other 90% of the population, among Of course, they have the same well-to-do and just beggars, but still they are plebs (even more slaves, probably)). The bureaucracy is usual, it is the same plebs (one might say overseers), or, as the comrade above said, "an instrument".
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                1 March 2016 09: 14
                Nikolay K Today, 08:45
                I am a supporter of the theory of the natural and objectively justified emergence of classes as another way of dividing labor.

                A struggle always takes place in a person inside, including unconsciously, between one’s own desires and desires for the benefit of all, and this cannot be discounted. Therefore, if we assume a natural beginning, then in the future it will be more:
                "The rich knew that his well-being and comfort were inviolable, and the poor was content with the fact that he was provided with life and work"
                ,
                and if so the rich is guided by profit, which implies the division of labor as a more efficient exploitation.
                Nobody cancels the natural component, but it does not refute that the presence of classes is a sign of exploitation. Even bees have exploitation, although you cannot imagine a more natural organization.
                What you write about
                the emergence of classes as another way of dividing labor

                - they tried to implement it in the USSR and never did it. But at the same time, the labor system was compulsory. There were also a kind of classes and a kind of "elevators" from the bottom up and horizontally. But in the end, their own desires won, which led to the collapse of the USSR.
                There are no classes without exploitation, but it is also difficult to assume the necessary level of self-organization.
                Therefore, exploitation is always there, just a different form of exploitation, it can be slavish or more social, as in the USSR.
            2. 0
              1 March 2016 08: 45
              Classes are more a sign of exploitation.

              This conclusion is valid if we assume that the division into classes was forced. I am a supporter of the theory of the natural and objectively substantiated appearance of classes as another way of the division of labor. Yes, in the era of the late division of labor, the feudal lords, as a military-administrative caste, which is called "zazhralis" and forgot their purpose, in fact, as a result of which they lost power. But this is also an objective process, any power, if given free rein, will begin to gorge itself and relax, just look at our current ones.
          3. +5
            1 March 2016 07: 55
            Quote: Nikolai K
            The ancestors of today's millionaires could well be peasants or workers.

            But the descendants of today's millionaires and billionaires are unlikely to become workers or peasants ... And how many of today's peasants and workers will become millionaires tomorrow? These are just single exceptions that only confirm the rule.
            So there is a certain stability of social groups ...
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            2. +4
              1 March 2016 08: 51
              So there is a certain stability of social groups ...


              Naturally, gull chicks also want to stay in a warm place heated by their folder. ... Moreover, judging by the scale of the career advancements of sons and daughters, it seems that this is a deliberate policy of the current elite, thus trying to ensure the "continuity" of power, which means, as they think, stability in society. Maybe so. But take into account the scale of corruption in our country, when an official cannot officially "monetize" his position, for this he has to nominate his "talented" wives, children and other relatives.
            3. -8
              1 March 2016 09: 56
              At present, there are 213 billionaires in Russia and more than 6 million ruble millionaires; now anyone can become a millionaire - there would be a desire, aspiration and a head on his shoulders.
              1. +4
                1 March 2016 13: 46
                + There must be a complete lack of conscience, moral and ethical principles and confidence in impunity.
                But there are rare exceptions (mainly in the IT field), I agree with this.
                1. -2
                  1 March 2016 19: 55
                  "This should be accompanied by a complete lack of conscience, moral and ethical principles and confidence in impunity." - you described the scumbags and bandits.
          4. +5
            1 March 2016 10: 51
            Quote: Nikolai K
            Classes as SUSTAINABLE social groups, whose social status was most often inherited, have not been around the world for a hundred years.
            Who told you that? Who are the children of the modern unemployed, hard workers, bankers, officials? Did you know that in the USA, other countries with high social security, there are a lot of unemployed in the third generation? The existence of classes is ensured by low social mobility - the ability to move up and down the social vertical. This was the case in the USSR only under Stalin: the peasant's son received a good education, remaining in his soul with the people, and moved to the highest bureaucratic stratum; a well-known party member could easily turn into camp dust. Before Stalin, including the NEP, they used the social resources of tsarist Russia. And in the modern world, the opposite trend is observed: from strata and classes to semi-legal estates and castes. There was still a moment in America when the "great American dream" ideologem became possible, but all this is in the distant past, even Hollywood does not care about this topic.
          5. +5
            1 March 2016 11: 52
            Classes as SUSTAINABLE social groups whose social status is most often inherited


            Sorry, but in the definition of the class there is not a word about inheritance, about how a person got into this class (dad gave, successfully married, found a treasure, fell from the sky, then earned blood, it doesn’t matter). The main thing is the attitude to ownership of the means of production. You have a candle factory in the same class. They took the factory, leaving nothing else.
      3. 0
        1 March 2016 08: 35
        The article has more questions than answers ...
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        1 March 2016 10: 45
        Quote: populist
        There are as many as two ruling classes - the bureaucracy
        A sign of a bureaucrat is a concrete backside. The class attribute (according to Marx) is ownership of the means of production. In high school, the history of the ancient world is studied. It gives an example of the distribution of food among slaves: the manager of the estate (slave bureaucrat) receives less than the manager of the hoe.
        1. 0
          1 March 2016 11: 33
          Quote: 97110
          The class attribute (according to Marx) is ownership of the means of production.
          You risk remaining forever in the 19th century. If an unemployed person bought shares of a local enterprise "Horns and Hooves", then who is he? That's right, the owner of the means of production, a "capitalist" according to the characteristics characteristic of the 19th century, but not for modernity. For you, they wrote: "Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action." Have you ever thought about this definition? The Orthodox have only 12 dogmas, and some "Marxists" are ready to blind dogmas from any quotation.
          1. +2
            1 March 2016 15: 00
            Quote: Stanislav
            If an unemployed person bought shares of a local enterprise "Horns and Hooves", then who is he? Right

            nobody. And even a special term was invented - a minority shareholder. At the first meetings of shareholders, there were those who wanted to play "owners" who had purchased their "package" for 1 (one) voucher. They swam somewhere. Property management does not tolerate talkers and troublemakers. In the most democratic way they fused - who will give them the floor when there are owners of a package of 89%. Your question with a joke gives reason to suspect in your face the same blushing and troubled person. Or a lawyer, even worse.
      6. +1
        1 March 2016 20: 10
        The questions are posed by the correct article. But the hope that the changes will come from above from the authorities are wrong. It is a great misconception that evolution comes from above. Evolution, reforms or revolution are only successful when they come from below, from the people and their representatives, who, on behalf of the people, pose tasks to the rulers or overthrow them. Only with the support of the people can something be done. And the crisis of the USSR was precisely that communication with the masses was lost by the beginning of the 80s. not without reason in '83 Andropov said the famous: "We do not know well the society in which we live." The ruling elite then turned out to be closed in itself. I am generally silent about the current government.
      7. 0
        1 March 2016 22: 30
        Populist! The article does not raise questions, but issued a verdict of today's Russia, and it’s very sad. And we do not have the elite above. There are almost all traitors or potential traitors. She is still among the people, I hope that will manifest itself.
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    3. +1
      1 March 2016 09: 40
      The deputies are going to introduce into the Duma a project for the nationalization of the alcohol, sugar, and pharmacological sectors, followed by monopolization. Who will give them? The system must first be changed.
      1. -5
        1 March 2016 10: 29
        What does it mean who will give it - if necessary, they will buy it, only who will give them so much money for this - a forming question - this project was not introduced by the Communist Party for an hour.
    4. +1
      1 March 2016 18: 56
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Also say the elite. We do not have such.

      We do not have an "elite" belay Here's a look Forbes has found the most "elite" Russian.
      Leonid Mikhelson became the richest Russian in the Forbes ranking
      American Forbes on Tuesday, March 1, published an annual ranking of world billionaires, in which the Russian part was led by co-owner of Novatek and Sibur Leonid Mikhelson. Michelson’s fortune for the year increased by $ 2,7 billion and reached $ 14,4 billion.
      http://www.forbes.ru/news/313967-leonid-mikhelson-stal-bogateishim-rossiyaninom-

      v-reitinge-forbes
      And because of such Mehelsons Abramovichs Alikperov Lisins and similar "elite" Russians - we are all other residents of Russia and beggars.

      1. -2
        1 March 2016 20: 03
        "And because of such Mehelsons, Abramovichs, Alikperovs, Lisins and the like" elite "Russians - we are all other residents of Russia and beggars." - Why is it, a lot of people work for these people and they do not consider themselves beggars. "It is his fault that I want to eat."
  2. +4
    1 March 2016 06: 06
    The decline of any empire begins with the decay of the ruling class. Architectural, technical, literary masterpieces are still being created in the country, and the army is still quite adequate, but the elite has already degraded
    something reminds ...
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    No need to scoff at Marx. The class ruling with us? Also say the elite. We do not have such.
    this is sarcasm hope .. how is it not? and the oligarchy?
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 06: 11
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      something reminds ...

      What exactly? Hi hi
      1. +4
        1 March 2016 08: 02
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        something reminds ...

        What exactly? Hi hi

        Like what? The revolutionary situation in its purest form! The lower classes no longer want to live as before, the upper circles cannot control as before, the exploitation is higher than usual, the activity of the lower classes is higher than usual ...
        Greetings, colleagues! hi bully
        1. +1
          1 March 2016 08: 04
          Quote: andj61
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          something reminds ...

          What exactly? Hi hi

          Like what? The revolutionary situation in its purest form! The lower classes no longer want to live as before, the upper circles cannot control as before, the exploitation is higher than usual, the activity of the lower classes is higher than usual ...
          Greetings, colleagues! hi bully

          Today there are many vaccinations from that classical theory of revolution. For example, the media. They treat minds for two times. If everything is necessary, if revolution is necessary.
          1. 0
            2 March 2016 13: 14
            Usually they treat the sick ... Or "heal". Could you tell the participants of the "consultation" on the diagnosis?
        2. +8
          1 March 2016 08: 30
          The lower classes no longer want to live as before, the upper circles cannot control as before, the exploitation is higher than usual, the activity of the lower classes is higher than usual
          Alas, the world has changed. The tops can sit for a long time. A large country can be leased all of Siberia. And then whoever is yanking against the upper orders is ordered to consider the fifth column, so that the lower classes will destroy themselves.
        3. 0
          1 March 2016 11: 44
          Quote: andj61
          The revolutionary situation in its purest form!
          I don’t know who it is in Lenin’s makeup? Is it Kasyanov? Maybe Khodorkovsky? He is still a lyceum.
        4. 0
          1 March 2016 12: 41
          Quote: andj61
          Like what? The revolutionary situation in its purest form!

          Where in Russia? Something did not notice.
          1. 0
            1 March 2016 14: 04
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: andj61
            Like what? The revolutionary situation in its purest form!

            Where in Russia? Something did not notice.

            Actually, it was sarcasm .... feel
            Sorry - did not warn ... request
            But if we consider the classic definition, then a lot of countries fit it, including Russia. Only a small nuance is missing - the political activity of the masses is higher than usual. Although - hell knows what kind of activity should be usually, "on average"? what
      2. +3
        1 March 2016 10: 47
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        something reminds ...

        What exactly? Hi hi

        80s Sasha ... hello! hi
    2. +11
      1 March 2016 06: 36
      Something reminds ...


      No no, this is not about us.
      Since architectural, technical and literary masterpieces alas, it is not created yet. So, either on an old backlog, or fragmentarily something slips.
      The army ... well, it’s worse with it. She has just begun to lift her from her knees. Actively started, as it is running out.
      The elite ... In principle, it is not.
      The elite has been ripening for decades, centuries. And in our case, those who grabbed in the 90s are eating stupidly and that’s it. This is not an elite - rather parasites.

      But if you put this phrase in relation to the USSR of the 80s, then yes. Will remind.
  3. +3
    1 March 2016 06: 24
    Among the questions asked and not asked - the most important thing is the person himself: family, children, traditions. And plus - how much Mother Earth herself can stand.
  4. +7
    1 March 2016 06: 30
    Some executives just drag time in a chair

    I agree, but there are those who are in the service of the enemy and fulfill his "behests." For example: Gorbachev, a CIA agent, was destroying the country as best he could. And he is also trying something again about his perestroika. As I look at his ch.ryu and bald head, I remember the ice ax. And someone really liked this ice ax, in the sense that he sent his soul to the next world! laughing
  5. +19
    1 March 2016 06: 39
    And here I agree with the author — the government has stayed in power, it’s necessary to change - shout out, but there are almost no people who can really work and don’t scratch their eggs! But changing one liberal to another is an empty matter.
  6. +3
    1 March 2016 06: 41
    Nothing lasts forever in this world. And world history is spiraling. At the moment, Europe is dying away, but Asia is reborn. A certain period will pass and they will be replaced by younger and more ambitious civilizations, but ... But they too will go into oblivion!
  7. +22
    1 March 2016 06: 41
    I read and remembered yesterday's meeting between VVP and Millers - with what ecstasy "TovarSCh" sang about increasing gas supplies to Geyrop. While he was told about local "difficulties" GDP-firewood in Russia drowned!
    And how not to heat if the CONNECTION is more expensive than the house - "Would have been!" - you are ready to pay them for gas (the consumer is called) so also for this and bring them money.
    I think it is perceived by normal people as with entrance to the store necessary buy an entrance ticket !!! at the price of a concert by Pugacheva
    1. +4
      1 March 2016 06: 47
      Good article! J. Orwell wrote about this in his dystopia "1984".
    2. +15
      1 March 2016 06: 48
      Quote: Just BB
      And how not to heat if the CONNECTION is more expensive than the house - "Would have been!" - you are ready to pay them for gas (the consumer is called) so also for this and bring them money.

      Gas to bring meters per hundred to the house along with the boiler, projects, approvals and work climbs out 250 thousand, a firewood machine - 5 thousand (for the winter 2-3) and now we look at the payback in the gas producing country itself. smile
      1. +9
        1 March 2016 07: 26
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Just BB
        And how not to heat if the CONNECTION is more expensive than the house - "Would have been!" - you are ready to pay them for gas (the consumer is called) so also for this and bring them money.

        Gas to bring meters per hundred to the house along with the boiler, projects, approvals and work climbs out 250 thousand, a firewood machine - 5 thousand (for the winter 2-3) and now we look at the payback in the gas producing country itself. smile

        So wait just around the corner - the excise tax on firewood and pipes, and then there is a stone's throw into the air.
      2. +2
        1 March 2016 09: 33
        Hi Zhenya! hi
        Quote: Vladimirets
        5 thousand (for the winter 2-3)
        8-10t.r chopped firewood, depending on birch or oak. But still it turns out cheaper - about 70 cars for two winters leave for a house of 3 sq.m. Well, on gas, you are right for all 100.
        1. -2
          1 March 2016 09: 45
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          8-10t.r chopped firewood, depending on birch or oak
          It is possible to heat dung, peat, coal. To heat the premises with electricity is only a matter of price. hi
          1. +4
            1 March 2016 09: 59
            Quote: fif21
            It is possible to heat dung, peat, coal.

            There is no peat, coal is also expensive. Firewood just right (for lack of gas). hi
          2. +4
            1 March 2016 10: 45
            Quote: fif21
            You can heat dung,

            yeah ... and produce it yourself ... Yes
        2. 0
          1 March 2016 09: 45
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          8-10t.r chopped firewood, depending on birch or oak
          It is possible to heat dung, peat, coal. To heat the premises with electricity is only a matter of price. hi
        3. 0
          1 March 2016 14: 13
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Hi Zhenya!

          Welcome. hi
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          8-10t.r chopped firewood,

          We are not proud, we ourselves will generate. wink
          1. +1
            1 March 2016 15: 40
            Quote: Vladimirets
            We are not proud, we ourselves will generate.

            Yes, nothing to do with pride - the back of the bo-bo. crying
        4. +3
          1 March 2016 14: 50
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Well, on gas, you are right for all 100.

          and what is right then? what does the state need to gasify? In this vein, the villagers will not be connected with the hospital and school, roads, as we see, but will nano-robots live and work in the village? By the way, where are they ?? Maybe the state just doesn’t need people, what Thatcher said there? what a strange coincidence.
          1. 0
            1 March 2016 14: 59
            Quote: twviewer
            and what is right then? what does the state need to gasify? In this vein, the villagers will not need communication with the hospital and school, roads, as we see, but will nano-robots live and work in the countryside? By the way, where are they ??

            Do you even understand what this is about?
            1. +1
              1 March 2016 15: 10
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Do you even understand what this is about?

              and you?
              1. 0
                1 March 2016 15: 20
                Quote: twviewer
                and you?

                Well, if we are talking with a colleague, then probably yes. wink
                1. +1
                  1 March 2016 15: 38
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  Well, if we are talking with a colleague, then probably yes

                  maybe you still discussed the payback of gas robbery? and what conclusion did you come to? can robbery be recouped ?! laughing
                  1. +3
                    1 March 2016 15: 48
                    Quote: twviewer
                    maybe you still discussed the payback of gas robbery? and what conclusion did you come to? can robbery be recouped ?!

                    I wrote that in order to connect your house to gas, you have to wait a million years, go through seven circles of hell, spend a lot of nerves and money, and compared to the same firewood (exaggerated), sadly, it will be much more expensive in the end, although gas in the country, at least ..., a lot in general. Yes
                    1. +3
                      1 March 2016 16: 16
                      Quote: Vladimirets
                      generally. yes

                      so what caused your indignation? re-read what I wrote. By connecting, you can, for example, put a gas generator, abandoning a third-party email. energy, put equipment and process say fish laughing and develop. This cannot be allowed, therefore, imputed non-lifting gas supply. The population should be stupid, poor and obedient (dependent) wink better yet, just die.
                      1. +1
                        1 March 2016 16: 44
                        Quote: twviewer
                        re-read what I wrote.

                        Ok, quintessence:

                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        Gas to bring meters per hundred to the house along with the boiler, projects, approvals and work climbs 250 thousand in the gas producing country itself.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        on gas You are right for all 100.

                        Quote: twviewer
                        what is right then?

                        Either the skis do not go or I ... recourse
                      2. -2
                        1 March 2016 21: 37
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        Either the skis do not ride or I ... recourse

                        without a doubt laughing if you already started to distort and correct your own quotes, then there’s nothing more to say.
                      3. -1
                        2 March 2016 02: 32
                        for the gifted:
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        Gas to bring meters per hundred to the house along with the boiler, projects, approvals and work climbs out 250 thousand, a firewood machine - 5 thousand (for the winter 2-3) here we look at the payback in the gas producing country itself. smile


                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        Gas to bring meters per hundred to the house along with the boiler, projects, approvals and work climbs 250 thousand in the gas producing country itself.
  8. +11
    1 March 2016 07: 01
    Quote author:
    How much power is in the interests of the nation?

    The key issue in the publication.
  9. +7
    1 March 2016 07: 09
    How much power is in the interests of the nation?

    As much as a nation can exist with this power. But actually in this matter the word nation had to be replaced by the people.
  10. +4
    1 March 2016 07: 10
    The decline of any empire begins with the decay of the ruling class..The ruling class rots, and a healthy society .. They usually rot together ..
    1. +3
      1 March 2016 09: 34
      Quote: parusnik
      They usually rot together ..

      No, there is always a focus of infection.
  11. aba
    +5
    1 March 2016 07: 11
    And if you couldn’t give such an answer to yourself, then this is an occasion to think.

    As I understand it, the author needs to stock up crackers and stew ?!

    Quote: populist
    In Russia, we have both ruling classes and the elite.

    What an elite ?! What are they baked about? Only about my own pocket, have not eaten up to the dump ... Ordinary nouveau riche.
  12. +5
    1 March 2016 07: 19
    Quote: Vladimirets

    Gas to bring meters per hundred to the house along with the boiler, projects, approvals and work climbs out 250 thousand, a firewood machine - 5 thousand (for the winter 2-3) and now we look at the payback in the gas producing country itself. smile


    A. Miller - Chairman of the Management Committee, Gazprom: Last year, Gazprom mined 418,5 billion cubic meters of gas. This made it possible to fully ensure reliable and stable supplies for export both domestically. Deliveries of pure Gazprom gas On the domestic market amounted to 205 billion cubic meters.

    Vladimir Putin: Is it more or less than the year before last?

    A. Miller: It's less than in 2014. As for volumes export supplies - they amounted to 159,4 billion cubic meters. These are deliveries to non-CIS countries, gas supplies to Europe. They grew by 11,8 billion. The volume of gas supplies for export increased by 8 percent. Moreover, if we talk about the trends that are in the current period from the beginning of 2016, the volume of gas supplies for export increased by 37,5 percent.

    Last year, Germany set a record for buying Russian gas - 43,5 billion cubic meters of gas, which is 6 billion more than in 2014. But this year, we see that the growth in gas supplies to Germany and other large European countries is even greater. That is, the increase in gas supplies to Germany over the time that has passed since the beginning of the year is 44 percent, to Italy - 42 percent, to France - 73 percent, to Austria - 52 percent. If in 2015 the absolute increase in exports amounted to 11,8 billion cubic meters of gas, then only in the first two months of this year in absolute terms this is already plus 7,5 billion cubic meters of gas.

    Therefore, without a doubt, all that As regards projects for the construction of new gas transmission routes to Europe and North-West Europe, these are economically feasible projects, which are confirmed by the growing demand that currently exists.


    Gazprom produced 418,5 = domestic market amounted to 205 + export supplies - they amounted to 159,4
    Where did 50 cubic KILOMETERS go? With such arithmetic, doubts are raised "- these are economically sound projects"
    This, so, about the "elite" and "economy" (not for Russia)
    1. -1
      1 March 2016 09: 32
      Quote: Just BB
      Where have the 50 cubic KILOMETERS gone?
      These volumes are located in underground gas storages and main gas pipelines. hi This is a technological volume; it is not sold for export and domestic market.
      1. -1
        1 March 2016 10: 02
        Simply put, gas volumes to maintain pressure in gas supply systems.
  13. +5
    1 March 2016 07: 22
    Interesting article. We are asked to answer questions. I would answer here, but I do not want to do this for various reasons. Well, we will answer for ourselves. What's next? If the whole population would have a real opportunity to objectively evaluate and answer questions. And not only that, decide the fate of the country ... I believe that someday this will happen, but not right now.

    And so the article is very, very. To the author plus.

    And yes, the term "advanced countries" confuses me in one of the questions. I understand that our country is far from advanced. But I would like to hear the names of these countries. For science is one of the engines of progress.
    1. +4
      1 March 2016 07: 44
      Quote: Obolensky
      But I would like to hear the names of these countries.

      South Korea, for example, shipbuilding, auto industry, electronics, with the military-industrial complex, of course, is not very good, but the civilian sector is quite at the level
  14. Riv
    +1
    1 March 2016 07: 50
    I don’t really understand what the author rubs us about here. Was the USSR an empire? So it wasn’t the same. And modern Russia is not an empire. God will and will not be it.

    All the questions he asked at the end of the article remind me of the fairy tale about Snow White. I slept for twelve years, woke up ... Oops! The world has changed. And the prince stands next to him and says: "Hey! Take your eyes off your forehead!"
    1. +3
      1 March 2016 08: 26
      And modern Russia is not an empire. God will give and will not be it.
      What is your empire? And why is this bad?
      1. Riv
        +1
        1 March 2016 11: 06
        Why good? Empire suggests the presence of a metropolis and colonies. For Russia (and not only for it) this approach never ended well.
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  15. +6
    1 March 2016 07: 57
    How strong is our economy? How independent is it from external regulators? Is the majority of domestic goods competitive in the world market, or at least on their own? Is science lagging behind the advanced countries, and if it is lagging, then to what extent? Whether or not our army can withstand a collision with an enemy comparable in strength without the use of nuclear weapons? What is the threat of separatism in a critical situation? How united or divided is society? How much power is in the interests of the nation?

    Yes, Igor has good questions and honestly answer - where to get patriotism ??? my + you hi
    1. +3
      1 March 2016 08: 02
      The right simple questions always require an honest answer, they are good.
  16. +5
    1 March 2016 08: 19
    Empires have transformed! The colonies don't even understand that they have become colonies. The most powerful in the world is the dollar empire, the Morgan and Rockefeller empire, the US Federal Reserve. "Old Great Britain" is hysterical at the threat of becoming an EU colony. Economic empires are the realities of the modern world. And their "Roman Legions" are trans-national companies and banks. The army is entrusted with police functions - the elimination of an objectionable colony manager and his replacement with a loyal one, the same goal is achieved with the help of "color revolutions" or banal bribery of the ruling elite. In the understanding of the US and the EU, the Russian Federation became their colony in the 90s, and we demand equal partnership and respect from the West, and we are sincerely surprised when they spit saliva on Churkin at the UN and deprive them of the right to vote in PACE, or are punished with sanctions (you can punish a slave, a servant , subordinate) Will Russia be able to withstand and become an economic empire equal to the United States that is the question.
  17. +4
    1 March 2016 08: 21
    Quote: sherp2015
    Well, injustice cannot cause a desire to protect thieves and villains


    That is what I consider the most solid base for the collapse of our country
  18. +2
    1 March 2016 08: 26
    we see how the empires born after 1918 are experiencing the deepest crisis.

    This is what kind of empire arose after 1918. request ? Which fell apart I remember:
    Russian, British, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman what .
    Either there is something "with my memory", or it is urgent to fill in the gaps in geography and history recourse
    1. +3
      1 March 2016 08: 49
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      What kind of empires arose after 1918? Which fell apart I remember:
      Russian, British, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman.
      Either there is something "with my memory", or it is urgent to fill in the gaps in geography and history

      USA and USSR ... request
      Now there is also Russia, which cannot but be an empire, and also, to a large extent, China.
      And the main sign of an empire is not the presence of a monarchical form of government with the corresponding name. So, by name the empire is Japan, most recently the Central African empire (now a republic) was such, but in fact it is not.
      Or, for example, Britain by the name of the empire, too, has never been, only a kingdom, and France ceased to be an empire after WWII, being essentially a republic.
    2. +2
      1 March 2016 08: 58
      Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey - not?
      1. +3
        1 March 2016 10: 10
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey - not?

        An empire is a powerful power uniting different peoples and territories into a single state with a single political center, playing a prominent role in the region or even throughout the world. It used to be that a form of government should be a monarchist, or dictatorship.
        Of the ones you named - Indonesia, and even then, maybe in the future.
  19. +7
    1 March 2016 08: 46
    Why the state treats its citizens often worse than foreigners. It’s easier and easier to rip off three skins from your own than to strain and think how it is more profitable to sell abroad. I am about gas supply. I understand that to sell abroad, the benefits are greater. But you take it in mass and scale within the country, but it will pay off three times to you. The first thought that comes to the head of the official, if necessary, filling the budget, raising taxes. Where is the progressive tax so much talked about? Again, the extreme will be the poor and large? Lazy, we have an official and a position according to his understanding, he was given to feed him. Stagnation at the top for a long time. Social elevators do not work. A salted deck of stolen people is shuffled every day. Personal loyalty is placed above professionalism. This is all empty. The sense of these conversations. request
  20. 0
    1 March 2016 09: 00
    The decline of any empire begins with the decay of the ruling class.

    The root cause of these processes is the recognition by society of the falsity of the goal that the empire / state is striving for. From this moment begins the decay of the ruling class. And then everything is as it is written in the article.
    The true goal of human life / society lies not in the material sphere, but in the spiritual.
    The purpose of the existence of the USSR was to build a communist society: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. The goal is purely material, therefore false. For having achieved material well-being, a person begins to degrade.
    To develop this topic in the comment is not possible.
    In short, "seek and find" ...
  21. +3
    1 March 2016 09: 04
    If you believe LN Gumilev, then we will have a "golden autumn". The flourishing of culture and art, the growth of prosperity and relative peace in our territory. However, this is a harbinger of subsequent decline. Since "passionarity" - the driving force of history, was wasted in previous battles and on achieving victories. Perhaps my belief is wrong.
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 09: 57
      Quote: nimboris
      If you believe LN Gumilev, then we will have a "golden autumn". The flourishing of culture and art, the growth of prosperity and relative peace in our territory. However, this is a harbinger of subsequent decline.

      Yes, in my opinion, when the consumer society begins to dominate, then radical shifts begin in changing everything and everything, take the Roman Empire, they snicker there, arrange orgies and everything else and come hungry barbarians and destroy both Rome and the empire, the situation was similar in the RI society until 1914, and now the consumer society dominates the minds
  22. +3
    1 March 2016 09: 23
    I read somewhere. that the theory of decillation appeared in the west. that is, the state becomes unstable and subject to war and decay and revolution if the incomes of 10% of the population with the highest incomes are more than 15-20 times higher than the incomes of 10% of the population with the lowest incomes. maybe debatable. but. there is something in this and Russia in the high-risk area
  23. -1
    1 March 2016 09: 33
    Yes, we do not have "elites" and rightly so. Other times have come. In the current environment, a suitcase of dollars and a bank account or a high position is not an "elite". In the first, there is a "punitive and penitentiary system" or a killer's bullet. On the second, the same thing.
    What kind of "elite" is this?
    IMHO, there is a "personality in history", there are "cunning bodies" and there is a people supporting "a personality in history". The rest is from the evil one. Money here can decide something, but not in the first place. Like an ancient poet:
    ...Buy everything! -Said gold
    I'll take it all! said damask
    ...
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 21: 34
      Quote: misterwulf
      Like a poet the ancient: ... I’ll buy everything! -Said goldI will take it all! said damask ...


      Well, if for you "our everything" is antiquity, then what can you say about, say, Homer? laughing
  24. +2
    1 March 2016 09: 36
    When they will be escorted to the civil service, as in the Soviet era, to the army, with songs and tears, orders and their native land. As once went to the monks with complete self-denial to atone for human sins. When people going there will give the most terrible vows and renounce all temptations. When this service becomes not work, but service to people, then what will change.
  25. +3
    1 March 2016 10: 20
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    No need to scoff at Marx. The class ruling with us? Also say the elite. We do not have such.

    Right! We do not have an elite, there is a gang of thieves calling themselves so. And for the people to them from the big bell tower.
  26. +3
    1 March 2016 11: 00
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    No, there is always a focus of infection.

    Actually a joke, but ...
    Two high-ranking officials are talking:
    -First: "That's all I have: a villa, a yacht, an airplane! It's time to think about my soul!"
    -Second: "Yes, it would not hurt to buy 200 shower!"
    And such latent desires of the feudal-slave-owning system among the so-called "elite" are not at all an anecdote.
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 21: 40
      Quote: 16112014nk
      And such latent desires of the feudal-slave-owning system among the so-called "elite" are not at all an anecdote.


      Bad is the employer who does not dream of becoming a slave owner! (with)
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  27. +1
    1 March 2016 11: 40
    Quote: Vadim237
    At present, there are 213 billionaires in Russia and more than 6 million ruble millionaires; now anyone can become a millionaire - there would be a desire, aspiration and a head on his shoulders.

    Vadim, have you already earned your first million? Speaking of the presence of the head on the shoulders: must the head and shoulders belong to the same body?
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 13: 06
      I earned my first million back in 2009, then created a repair and production base in the Volgograd Region, after which two car services and an auto parts store in Moscow were added to this business - things are going uphill despite the crises.
      1. 0
        1 March 2016 15: 38
        Quote: Vadim237
        I earned my first million back in 2009

        1. 0
          1 March 2016 16: 56
          Earn it yourself.
  28. +4
    1 March 2016 12: 37
    Quote: fif21
    Quote: Pravdarm
    There is such a party !!! - V.I. Lenin!
    Back to the past? I do not want to live in a country where 99% of the population are poor and 1% on state support. I want to live in a country of rich people, in which even the last beggar does not climb into garbage cans and does not ask for mercy! They wanted the revolution, the blood of the people? fool angry


    And now in the country the percentage is different? The difference in salaries of bosses and workers reaches 200 times, which is 10000%, such as mathematics. Salaries are cutting, prices are rising, the result: rich people, and more and more poor people. Instead of helping the elderly and large families, assistance is needed more than banks.
    I do not advocate revolution, but something needs to be done. And yet, at least our wonderful ministers were silent. All their predictions, or rather fortunetelling, did not come true. Very difficult situation, understandably. But for some reason it is difficult only for the people, but for the servants of the people, it seems to be not very. It seems that no one knows what to do. At meetings with the president, all governors report that everything is fine, everything is growing and developing, but look, only prices are developing in shops and pharmacies, in housing and communal services.
  29. 0
    1 March 2016 12: 46
    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: Obolensky
    But I would like to hear the names of these countries.

    South Korea, for example, shipbuilding, auto industry, electronics, with the military-industrial complex, of course, is not very good, but the civilian sector is quite at the level


    Thank you There are not many of them, as I looked and are scattered on different ends of the globe. We have a lot to strive for. Rather, there is always something to strive for. But first, it is necessary to resolve issues within the country, but do not forget about external ones. And then we have forever the scales fluctuate.
  30. -1
    1 March 2016 12: 59
    During their existence, people should try everything as their social internal structure: feudalism, capitalism, socialism, religion ... But what makes people convince that this list has no end, and you can try to infinity?

    By now everything has been tried, and disappointment has come in everything. Therefore, we are witnessing a gradual chaotization of society, splitting it into many small pieces. This process will grow, society will gradually turn into small "beads". The speed of consolidation and disintegration of societies will also increase. No one will trust anyone, everyone will be for himself.

    Read the bible everything is written there
  31. +1
    1 March 2016 13: 20
    If ordinary citizens had decided something on the election, then no one would have done it at all. And so once in a couple of years, they will hold a reality show. For our eyes, for it seems to us that something depends on us. And the result is reshon in advance, and without us.
  32. +4
    1 March 2016 13: 27
    Excellent geopolitical analysis. Bulgaria is just in such a power vacuum, and the Neo-Ottoman Empire, Turkey, strive to absorb us, and the EU openly drains Bulgaria from Turkey. One hope is that at least somehow we will turn off and become part of the Russian, and not the Islamic world.
  33. +3
    1 March 2016 13: 36
    Until the President throws off the slumber of love for a liberal environment and does not rely on true patriots, Russia may get into time pressure! The situation in society is very alarming, the United States (FRS) is being sponsored through the purchase of bonds according to Kudrin’s and company’s prescription, 5th column intensified, feeling impunity! It's time, it's time, otherwise we will pass the point of no return and again, revolution? No, I don’t want to, or rather I will fight with the enemies of Russia that are accessible to me! Wake up, President! You are our last hope!
  34. +4
    1 March 2016 13: 43
    I read ... I read the comments ...
    Friends, who has an extra Mauser? You can- BU .....
    1. +3
      1 March 2016 14: 11
      Quote: Chen
      I read ... I read the comments ...
      Friends, who has an extra Mauser? You can- BU .....

      I will give you parabellum! bully
  35. 0
    1 March 2016 15: 46
    In short, periodically, one third must be shot, the other third repressed, then the rest will be "vigorous" and in 20 years we will again turn into an empire.
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 21: 38
      Quote: lexx2038
      one third must be shot, the other third must be repressed, then the rest will be in a "vigorous tone" and in 20 years


      Shang Yang? Why, they read it ... And after all, strange as it may seem, it worked - for Shang Yang, for Kautilya, for Stalin, and for Mao - it's another matter, is the "cheerful tone" worth it?
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  36. +2
    1 March 2016 16: 14
    Empires can be built now, and no more complicated than before, another thing. About 500 years ago, all power was behind territorial empires, and now economic empires are gaining ever greater strength. Such empires have their own borders, but not geographical but varietal ones: some rule over medicines, others rule over weapons, third IT, fourth finance and so on. These borders are of course as dynamic as the borders of territorial empires. And just like in the case of states, weak corporations can be defeated by a stronger adversary and become their vassal or even be completely joined. This new, still emerging economic formation has both supporters and opponents. The former desire a transnational world with the division of labor on a planetary scale, on the scale of entire nations (elements of this system already exist). The latter would prefer a return to the previous conditions of the game - to territorial borders as marks of the zone of influence. But the first and second groups of large owners are interested in their own well-being. Their well-being may coincide with the well-being of the people subject to them, or it may not coincide. Simply put, claims against Russian politicians and businessmen are meaningless simply because they perfectly protect and realize their (class) interests and realize them in full. As for the interests of all other categories of citizens, their interests will not be defended until they themselves begin to defend them. And so that citizens rarely think about it and give benefits from one of these two groups of owners. The first group (transnationals) takes the opportunity to consume various products, often at bargain prices, and focus on the forced smoothing of contradictions between people. But such an approach to providing benefits requires serious expenditures and impressive economic potential. The second group (nationalists), lacking such impressive economic resources as transnationals, distracts the people from defending their interests not by material but psychological stimuli - patriotism and religion. In general, religion and a nation are excellent leverage that can easily send masses of people to fight against representatives of another nation / religion or simply significantly increase their exploitation without fear of disturbance. Because indignants will be declared enemies of the nation / religion. Further, one can only build theories about whether domestic capitalists can compete with overseas capitalists and if they can how efficiently. All sorts of wars and political scandals as well as economic friction are already consequences of such a confrontation. Moreover, the confrontation itself can be fought exclusively for a place in the emerging system without taking into account citizens in general.
    1. +1
      1 March 2016 16: 18
      Quote: Tired
      economic empires.

      I agree with you ...
  37. 0
    1 March 2016 16: 28
    In order to answer the question - is Russia capable of creating an empire, we need to answer only one question: are we ready for territorial expansion and the losses associated with this? Do we have leaders who can lead the people forward on conquest?
  38. +4
    1 March 2016 16: 30
    Today on the Zvezda TV channel in the "Process" program there was a topic: Should Russia invest in American securities. Really interesting topic? It would be especially interesting for those who count. that at the head of our country is supposedly a patriot and we allegedly have a war with America. Then why are we supplying the "enemy"? An interesting comment about the sanctions was also made there. After all, we spend whole days chewing on the topic of sanctions, whether Russia will survive. But objectively, the sanctions boil down to the fact that hundreds of ministers, deputies and other oligarchs are denied entry to their beloved West. And that's it!
    1. +3
      1 March 2016 17: 28
      Quote: Gardamir
      After all, we have been chewing on the topic of sanctions for days on end, whether Russia will survive. But objectively, the sanctions boil down to the fact that hundreds of ministers, deputies and other oligarchs are banned from entering their beloved West. And that’s it!

      Exactly!!!
      But our rulers blame everything on sanctions, their incompetence, theft, and failures in economic policy over 15 years.
      And the people ....
  39. 0
    1 March 2016 17: 02
    Those states whose governments the people trust will survive. And the people should be at a sufficiently high educational and cultural level to form and control the power!
  40. +2
    1 March 2016 17: 16
    There are more than enough examples of destruction. Thus, the French and British colonial empires actually collapsed after the Second World War, although Paris and London were formally considered victors in it. The leadership of these countries was not able to offer a sustainable model of development within their former borders, and these borders have seriously shrunk. Later, the USSR suffered the same fate.


    A vivid example of the substitution of concepts. Comparing the colonial empire and mono-state is the same as comparing something uncultured with a pointing finger.
    It would be better if the author "decomposed" the "Gorby era" (the era of the collapse of the "empire") into stages. And I would share my thoughts on their purpose. Although it's easiest to keep everyone for fools. The lower classes are for the fact that they do not understand anything, the upper classes are for mistakes. Who is without them? And reason, reason, reason.
    That's how Chubais. "Yes, we were wrong, yes, we did badly .... But, it had to be done ...". For what? And for whom? This went into silence.
    Not bad. I am with "grandmas", well, but you are out of luck.
    And so I would like to know the opinion: “Why was Gorby organized at least“ the fight against alcoholism? ”Especially, in conditions when he is now at an unprecedented height, or rather, in the cemetery.

    And, after all, such a stream of "smart", soothing scriptures is growing. Although, this is also a sign ... of general decay ...
  41. +6
    1 March 2016 17: 40
    Today on the channel "Russia 24" a conference of representatives of labor collectives organized by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was broadcast. This conference was dedicated to the program for overcoming the crisis and measures to stabilize society in the face of aggravated problems. The program was discussed with the collectives of Moscow and the Moscow region, and in the opinion of the people it is reasonable. The anti-crisis program of the party involves a set of measures for nationalization, the introduction of a state monopoly, as well as reducing the outflow of foreign currency abroad. The Communist Party will discuss the plan of action in the economy at the All-Russian Council on March 5. As Gennady Zyuganov says: "We believe that this program is absolutely realistic. Moreover, labor collectives, people's enterprises expressed a desire to discuss this problem directly."

    This program is proposed by the Communist Party, and what is Putin's proposal? Today he bleated for an hour and a half about the possibilities of small businesses, about the chambers of commerce, which should carry out purchases of small enterprises, about the arbitrations that should be fair. True, nothing was said about the workers of these enterprises themselves, about their salaries, and most importantly, about how they should develop in conditions of lack of money and outright sabotage from officials and his so-called "friends" ..

    .. The Aesopian bureaucrats are the main weapon of unpopular power. It must be clearly understood - if there is no clarity in the policy on the improvement of the State, then there is no politics itself. Feel the difference and be prudent in making your conclusions.
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 20: 10
      "The Aesopian language of bureaucrats is the main weapon of the unpopular government" - according to polls, 72% of the population support United Russia - so the government is popular with us.
      1. +1
        1 March 2016 21: 44
        Quote: Vadim237
        according to polls, 72% of the population support United Russia


        72% - where is it? If in Chechnya - then there is all 99%, and there is a reason. But if there where ethnic Russians prevail - oh, I doubt it!
        1. -1
          2 March 2016 09: 29
          Actually, a survey was conducted throughout Russia.
    2. +1
      1 March 2016 21: 30
      I agree with you. I generally suggest Back to the Future! For I do not see an alternative to socialism. Somehow I remembered the chatter of Gorbachev's times about "Swedish-Norwegian socialism". Well, so our ship was moved directly in the opposite direction under the "Gaidar men", and we continue to row in the same direction. The social pillars of the economy exist not thanks to, but in spite of generations of reformers of their "United Russia". They can't cut everything off at once, so on the "social" threshold, the authorities can ruin their belly, the catamaran will sink :)
  42. 0
    1 March 2016 20: 04
    How strong is our economy? How independent is it from external regulators? Is the majority of domestic goods competitive in the world market, or at least on their own? Is science lagging behind the advanced countries, and if it is lagging, then to what extent? Whether or not our army can withstand a collision with an enemy comparable in strength without the use of nuclear weapons? What is the threat of separatism in a critical situation? How united or divided is society? How much power is in the interests of the nation?

    If you have a satisfactory answer to all the questions - fine. And if you could not give such an answer to yourself, then this is a reason to think.

    Thinking.
    So what do you suggest?

    Nothing?
    Then why all this fuss?
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 20: 28
      they propose a revolution, with subtle hints, they lead to the fact that the top has rotted (which is true) and then there will be a swampy and full zhzhzhzh ... Ukraine is nearby, they also wanted to throw off the oligarchs ... So if you take Russia as a whole it’s kind of not bad, but , if you start digging locally under governors and indeed under power, then such details will climb .... No.
      1. 0
        2 March 2016 10: 54
        Quote: Yozhkin Cat
        they propose a revolution, with subtle hints, they lead to the fact that the top has rotted (which is true) and then there will be a swampy and full zhzhzhzh ... Ukraine is nearby, they also wanted to throw off the oligarchs ...

        In Ukraine, they did not want to throw off the oligarchs, but only one Yanukovych. And they also wanted to force them to abandon the Customs Union, which was beneficial to Ukraine. And who wanted to? Not the people.
  43. 0
    1 March 2016 20: 29
    States cannot exist forever. What was born will die sooner or later.
    1. 0
      1 March 2016 20: 45
      nonsense, the state is not a biological organism to die. You just need a mathematical model of managing the country's development based on the general plan for 15-20 years, and strict observance of laws, fair, simple laws, without reservations and subparagraphs. For example, killed, die, without anyone there he is mentally ill and other nonsense. People should know their rights and responsibilities as two by two. note that the simpler the thing, the more reliable it is, and the state is the same thing, designed to structure and balance relations in society, whether it be finances or courts.
      1. 0
        1 March 2016 21: 19
        Death can be avoided in only one way - to exclude everything that wears out the body: friction, the action of hazardous substances and radiation, the activity of other organisms, etc. None of these factors can be avoided.
        The same is with the state: laws will never be executed by all citizens, incompetence and betrayal among civil servants will never disappear, the confrontation of states will never sink into oblivion ...
        1. +1
          1 March 2016 21: 36
          at the expense of crime it’s all a matter of upbringing, if a child grows up in a family of repeat offenders with three dozen walkers to the owner, it’s foolish to expect a scientist or teacher to grow up. The task of the state at this moment is the screening of such citizens and, in general, I think that the RDC should be one. for resources are being spent on his life that normal citizens get. The state in the concept of general is the same society is a symbiosis of religions and nations, they cannot age by allocation. they can only degrade, but this is a matter of management and rotation of power.
      2. +1
        1 March 2016 21: 24
        "Kill / Die" is no longer a mathematical model. This is a question of a system of values, and from a simplified point of view - a question of the survival of a biological species by screening out "outcasts". In our "kingdom" this is also bad. An example of "punishment" of pedophiles is indicative - it looks more like a reward. The same is with the recurrence of "phlegm", rape, and embezzlement in the OK size (the latter is the most dangerous for any society and state).
      3. 0
        2 March 2016 10: 50
        Quote: Yozhkin Cat
        nonsense, the state is not a biological organism that would die.

        There is no state, but nations are dying.
  44. 0
    1 March 2016 21: 03
    Whether or not our army can withstand a collision with an enemy comparable in strength without the use of nuclear weapons?

    With a comparable - will stand. And with the incomparable ... and with what joy should there be "no application"? What the hell do we need then nuclear weapons?
  45. 0
    1 March 2016 21: 19
    “Firstly, the governing system becomes so inert and inadequate that it ceases to manage the entire formally controlled territory. Secondly, the collapse of the general economy leads to the fact that the empire itself is fragmented into self-sustaining pieces while the formal preservation of political unity for a while. Thirdly, the ruling leadership of such a country or empire finally loses any motives other than preserving its own power. It has no agenda, no vision of the future, ... "Move the THIRD to FIRST place, and it will be fine. It all depends, as Jack Sparrow used to say, on "the quality of these guys." Or "Cadres decide everything." No management system can replace the moral and ethical imperative of the elite, which, as the same communists said (let's give them their due), should be "flesh of the flesh of the people." As soon as the elite loses the last "links" with the popular environment, as soon as the systems of their values ​​critically diverge, so everything, kerdyk to the elite as such (these are already complete parasites), and kerdyk to the state / empire (the organism does not live long with a parasite), the end is unambiguous , the question is the rate of decay.
  46. +1
    1 March 2016 23: 17
    How strong is our economy? How independent is it from external regulators?
    Is the majority of domestic goods competitive in the world market, or at least on their own? Is science lagging behind the advanced countries, and if it is lagging, then to what extent?
    Whether or not our army can withstand a collision with an enemy comparable in strength without the use of nuclear weapons?

    - No. The triad "crisis-sanctions-fall of oil" perfectly illustrated this. So far, we live only at the expense of fat accumulated in fat years, but the "meat" has already begun to dry out: freezing of pensions, layoffs of workers, the national currency has devalued by half. All sorts of taxes are already increasing, funding for social services is decreasing. Starting next year, there are plans for a massive reduction of "ineffective" scientific institutions (this is probably all, except for Rusnano and Skolkovo).
    “Not at all.” In the domestic market, the vast majority of imported goods easily beat domestic products, despite even a favorable customs policy. At the same time, it is no secret that Europe and China export products with a quality lower than that they produce for the domestic market, so we don’t need them with our goods, only raw materials. Finished products are bought only in the CIS countries (well, and some other underdeveloped countries), however, this market has greatly degraded over the past 20 years, and in many respects we have been squeezed even from neighboring countries.
    - So far, the lag is not so noticeable, but the trend has long been outlined. While Rusnano will be sucked by a black hole hundreds of billions of rubles a year without giving any return, we will lag behind the fundamental. Applied science has long been behind in most areas.
    - Collision with an opponent comparable in strength without the use of nuclear weapons is almost impossible.
  47. 0
    2 March 2016 00: 04
    About the estates. Nobody died out. Magi - Rulers - Servants - Merchants - Hard workers - Loafers: everything is here. This site is the patrimony of the Servant. The Great Monarchist Counter-Revolution - Continues!
    1. 0
      2 March 2016 12: 35
      Why die out? They adapt to the moment .... Mutate. But there is only a wish: if we are talking about elitism, then maybe the ideals of transformation should be in order, to harmonize somehow in a chosen historical perspective, well, common to us, or what?
  48. 0
    2 March 2016 00: 08
    Quote: populist
    sherp2015
    Our elite is not rotten yet?
    Where are our factories?
    What kind of education do we have?
    Where does medicine go?

    The author is concerned about these processes.

    You will also say that these processes of the collapse of everything (and empires, and individual states, and social foundations) occurs by itself. Simply due to some "objective reasons", And no one is behind this.
    1. 0
      2 March 2016 12: 41
      This, "your everything", is temporarily borrowed from you for the purposes of leaders, I find it difficult to say any revolutions there, but you have the audacity to reproach them for this? Not great that characterizes you!
  49. +1
    2 March 2016 00: 56
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Stanislav
    Several people from EP were only doing this, count on the fingers. And in the bulk of the same people flashed who in the early 90s joyfully tore their party cards in front of the camera and threw them into garbage cans

    Now EP is being updated, completely different people will go to the 2016 elections with a different program.

    So we rejoice fellow or "upset"? belay
  50. +1
    2 March 2016 01: 10
    Quote: fif21
    Quote: Pravdarm
    There is such a party !!! - V.I. Lenin!
    Back to the past? I do not want to live in a country where 99% of the population are poor and 1% on state support. I want to live in a country of rich people, in which even the last beggar does not climb into garbage cans and does not ask for mercy! They wanted the revolution, the blood of the people? fool angry

    Yes-ah, now the alignment is "better" - 90% are poor, but 10% are just very rich (and also on state support). wassat
  51. 0
    2 March 2016 12: 24
    The elite seem to be public people who are good at hiding things.
  52. +1
    2 March 2016 18: 31
    Today's Russia will not be able to survive if it is targeted for destruction. The ruling "elite" in Russia is too stupid, greedy and unpatriotic... It DOES NOT WANT AND CANNOT work. She only dreams of steering, stealing from her fellow citizens and relaxing. That is, ALL CRITERIA for the disappearance of a state are present. And as soon as they take Russia seriously, and this already seems to be the case (collapse in prices for raw materials), the Russian “elite” will either run away with the stolen goods or hand over everything, themselves, the population and resources. Well, after the surrender there will be no mercy for anyone, including the “elite”. Everything will be like the Indians. They will rewrite history. Dissenters will be destroyed. They will rot everyone else on the reservations. Everything that they managed to loot will be taken away from the former “elite”.
  53. 0
    9 March 2016 12: 47
    “If you found a satisfactory answer to all your questions, great. But if you couldn’t give yourself such an answer, then this is a reason to think.”

    Think about what?

    It seems to me that the author operates with concepts not even of the 20th century, but of the 19th century. We see the advent of an era when states as such are no longer subjects of international (and domestic) politics. Today, a unified global empire-system is being built under the leadership of hidden financial elites. The whole essence of the struggle and world conflicts lies in one thing: whether the local elites accept the power of “financial Skynet” (which is everywhere, and there is no single center anywhere) or not. They accept - good, this country will be determined by its place in the world (what to produce, what to buy, what social standards to set, etc.). If they don’t accept it, fine, we’ll change the elite. If you can't change it, it will kill you.
    Today, talking about any national interests that the elite should represent is simply stupid. Today, national interests in themselves mean stagnation and obsolescence of society (unfortunately). A society, a state led by an elite that sincerely wants to defend national interests, is doomed to marginalization, to the fate of a rogue country, because observing national interests implies dissociation from globalization, which means self-isolation.

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