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On the results of the meeting of the Supreme State Council of the Union State of Russia and Belarus

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Last week, there was a meeting between the leaders of Russia and Belarus, from which even very large and respected media outlets decided to single out the only “worthy attention” event: Alexander Lukashenko called Vladimir Putin “Dmitry Anatolyevich”. As for the rest, something similar to ignoring information, as if, apart from the Belarusian president’s reservation, the Minsk meeting of the two leaders and the meeting of the Supreme State Council of the Union State did not give much information.


On the results of the meeting of the Supreme State Council of the Union State of Russia and Belarus


In fact, there are not a lot of info-discussions to discuss both the meeting between Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko, and the meeting of the Supreme Security Council of Russia and Belarus. Perhaps the main reason is that, despite the numerous critical arrows fired towards the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, this same Union State demonstrates the possibility of pragmatic and good-neighborly integration. Moreover, the very fact of the existence of the NG of Russia and Belarus shows that today there are no global contradictions between Moscow and Minsk that would repel states and peoples from each other. And if this is so, then the FG of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus is a wonderful example for all those who declare their readiness to go along the path of integration with each other on the basis of mutual respect of state (national) interests. The integration path is preserved - and this is at the moment when waves of chaos and discord literally roll through the world, often provoked by well-known forces. This was noted by both presidents, placing the existing Union State as a valid integration example.

A small fragment of the speech of Alexander Lukashenko at a meeting of the Supreme State Council, in which the Belarusian president spoke about the adoption of the budget of the Union State in difficult economic conditions (size - 6 billion Russian rubles) (material BelTA):



During the meeting of the Supreme State Council of the SG of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, the negative trends and challenges that Russia and Belarus are facing were noted. The economic situation leads to the fact that for the third year in a row the fall in mutual trade has been showing itself. If we compare the 2014 and 2015 years on this indicator, then the trade turnover between Russia and Belarus fell by almost 26%. This, as the presidents noted, indicates that the mechanisms of trade and economic cooperation in crisis moments are not completely refined. According to Lukashenko, one of the recipes for the growth of the general economy and mutual trade is to eliminate trade barriers.

From the statement of the Belarusian leader:
(...) removing barriers, ensuring the effective functioning of a single market for goods, services and capital, as well as mutual support are areas of our common interest.


However, in the removal of barriers today lies the main pitfall of the functioning of the economic system of the Union State. The fact is that the European Union, which in Russia has lost a huge trading field after the exchange of sanctions packages, is looking for any ways to bring its (primarily agricultural) products to the Russian market. If with Ukraine it is the most complete seam in this direction, since Kiev sits tightly on overseas TC, then Belarus is an option close to the ideal one. Obviously, this difficult question of removing all barriers between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus against the background of economic anti-Russian measures imposed on the European Union was also discussed during the meeting of the Supreme State Council of the Union State. Indeed, on the one hand, the state should remain unionized in all respects, including, of course, the economic sector, and on the other hand, the opening of the “Belarusian gate” will result in the EU being able to take advantage of the close partnership of Minsk and Moscow to promote its products to giant russian market. There would, of course, attract a third party - Brussels - to discuss the possibility of turning mutual sanctions into cheap fiction to restore full-fledged trade in both directions, but the ball, as they say, on the side of EU officials, and the whole hitch in their independence ) and the ability to make decisions without pointing from overseas. So far, there is an opinion, Brussels is forced to take steps eastward, but, seeing how he is threatened with a finger from Washington, at any moment is able to play back and return the situation to zero level.

From the statement of Vladimir Putin (the material of the official President’s website):
It is important to formulate the work of economic departments, focus them on improving the business and investment climate, and to this end intensify the work of the working group on macroeconomic coordination, continue the practice of holding joint meetings of the collegia of ministries of economy of the two countries.

It is also necessary to increase the multifaceted sectoral cooperation, to pursue a more coherent economic policy. When we were already in a narrow composition, when we discussed, we paid attention to some points that arise in practical work and which, of course, we can completely avoid.

We also agreed to continue harmonizing the regulatory framework in the industry, the monetary and financial sectors, and the services sector. A key factor in the growth of the economy of the Union State should be the development of industrial cooperation, primarily in the field of high technologies. It is necessary to increase the share of high-tech products, to replace foreign components, especially, of course, primarily in sensitive industries, on which the security of our countries directly depends.

By the way, we already have quite a good start in this area. In December 2015 of the year, a joint company of the Stankoengineering Union was created, and a joint production of microelectronics was launched as part of special programs.

Progress continues in the formation of a unified navigation space of Russia and Belarus based on the GLONASS system. Projects are being implemented in the field of remote sensing of the earth.

The strategic nature of the Russian-Belarusian cooperation in the energy sector. The construction of the Belarusian nuclear power plant is in full swing. Of course, this is one of our flagship projects. Recall that the volume of Russian investment - 10 billions of dollars. The launch of the first power unit is scheduled for 2018 year, the second - for 2020 year.




The issues of security of the Union State were also discussed. At that moment, when a permanent NATO center opens in neighboring Ukraine (including the management and communications segment), it is simply impermissible not to respond to the new approach of NATO infrastructure to the borders of Russia and Belarus. During the meeting of the Supreme State Council of the Union State, it was noted that through the line of law enforcement agencies, Moscow and Minsk developed a clear action plan for the joint regional grouping of troops.

According to Alexander Lukashenko, the Union State "keeps the powder dry", since military-political crises and the return of a number of countries "to bloc thinking" persist. Another thing is that the Belarusian president did not mention the following: is there a "number of countries" own their thinking, or, nevertheless, their entire thought process fits into the formulas that are descended by one “exceptional” thinker ...

After the appearance in the Western media of information that the US missile defense infrastructure will appear in Poland by 2018, and that Washington’s engineering efforts in this direction already take place, Russia and Belarus will, by definition, respond. And this answer will be simple: on the military maps, Poland will simply be identified as a new target. And all the wails of Warsaw that “Russia is approaching the borders of NATO”, and Moscow, and Minsk, as they say, are sideways. The protection of union-national interests is above all. And if the same Poland and other neighbors decided that in an aggressive bloc is the main European happiness, then this is their problem ...
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  1. samarin1969
    samarin1969 29 February 2016 07: 00
    +6
    "Union State", something like "Lieutenant Kizhe", unfortunately ...
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 29 February 2016 08: 03
      +9
      Lukash twists his ass as best he can) I'm sure that in which case he will sit aside. There is no point in counting on help from him. He can scratch his tongue of course. But for him, one-power has a price. And do not care at all.
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 February 2016 08: 13
        19
        Quote: Mitek
        Lukash twists his ass as best he can) I'm sure that in which case he will sit aside. There is no point in counting on help from him. He can scratch his tongue of course. But for him, one-power has a price. And do not care at all.


        No matter how he turns, he is not stupid and understands that everyone will throw him except Russia, so he will do everything right.
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 17
          +2
          so do everything right.


          For WHOM right?
        2. WKS
          WKS 29 February 2016 10: 23
          +2
          Most importantly, there are no obstacles at the borders. I sat down and you went and you carried what you want.
        3. musorg
          musorg 29 February 2016 12: 55
          -2
          Even if he doesn’t do it right, and it will be so, they will not throw him.
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      3. Konstantin Yu
        Konstantin Yu 29 February 2016 09: 31
        +3
        Quote: Mitek
        Lukash twists his ass as best he can) I'm sure that in which case he will sit aside. There is no point in counting on help from him. He can scratch his tongue of course. But for him, one-power has a price. And do not care at all.

        It may not be the same, I haven’t noticed standing with Russia ... such an independent policy ... sell fish to Russia and pull orders from our PCs ...
  2. Finches
    Finches 29 February 2016 07: 01
    +1
    It can ruin anything, including the state, in a week, and to build - it takes years, and sometimes decades! Although, in the post-Soviet space, there are exception countries that have only one process - permanent self-destruction ... laughing
  3. avvg
    avvg 29 February 2016 07: 02
    17
    Belarus is our Western outpost and the only outpost in the CSTO and Russia in the Western direction, and God himself commanded to strengthen this outpost.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 13
      +5
      Colleague - inquire about the foreign policy of the "outpost"
    2. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 29 February 2016 15: 03
      +9
      Ask local residents in Belarus if they consider themselves to be the "Western and only outpost of Russia" ... Maybe they consider themselves to be independent cunning and pragmatic Belarusians, who are not a sinner to milk big Russia while talking about the indestructible friendship of fraternal peoples? And God has nothing to do with it ..

      Belarusians and the Republic of Belarus just need to somehow survive in very difficult economic conditions, and Lukashenko needs absolute power.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 February 2016 07: 06
    +2
    The strategic nature is the Russian-Belarusian cooperation in the energy sector.

    The Belarusian Minister of Energy has already asked for a reduction in gas prices. Ours think.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 29 February 2016 10: 45
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      Ours think.

      Are you sure that "ours" are Ours?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 1 March 2016 04: 08
        -1
        Are you sure that "ours" are Ours?

        At least they are in the Russian ministries. The rest is everyone's business, purely personal - who is considered "our" and who is not. Something like this
  5. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 29 February 2016 07: 15
    +5
    Of course, our peoples are fraternal .. And those frictions in trade relations are not a factor that can destroy integration .. I don’t agree about the fortress. Yes, there are large numbers, but with the outdated weapons of the USSR, Belarus does not have money for rearmament, and in the near future, yes, and in the event of an upheaval, Lukashenko, despite all assurances of allied duty, will do everything to not put his people on the altar of war and will do it right. From here, our western fort post begins on Krasnaya Gorka in the Smolensk region, from there Moscow 500 miles and unfortunately not particularly covered ..
    1. Polochanin
      Polochanin 29 February 2016 09: 32
      12
      Let me disagree with you. Yes, we don’t have so much money to rearm the army with the latest technology. But do not forget that in order to get to your Krasnaya Gorka near Smolensk, someone will have to go from 583 to 721 km (depending on the chosen route) on our land. And believe me, many ordinary people do not like it. An excursion trip through our lands will not work. Have to go through an obstacle course with a full calculation.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 29 February 2016 13: 45
        +1
        What, you’ll leave for the partisans ?? Nobody plans to go on foot, crawl, on a bicycle through you .. Modern wars are not being waged, Belarus will not be able to withstand a remote strike, unfortunately .. It’s partially possible to cover the airspace with the available forces, but to repel a massive Silenok hit weakly ..
        Quote: Polochanin
        Let me disagree with you. Yes, we don’t have so much money to rearm the army with the latest technology. But do not forget that in order to get to your Krasnaya Gorka near Smolensk, someone will have to go from 583 to 721 km (depending on the chosen route) on our land. And believe me, many ordinary people do not like it. An excursion trip through our lands will not work. Have to go through an obstacle course with a full calculation.
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 29 February 2016 18: 02
          +6
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Belarus will not withstand a remote strike, unfortunately .. It’s partially possible to cover the airspace with the available forces, but the reflection of a massive strike is weak ..


          Not everything is so bad

          A massive blow will not be unexpected. Here in Iraq or Libya, the months were spent on training and pulling up forces

          If preparation begins, then it will be visible - and Russia and Belarus will have time to deploy additional air defense and strengthen the Belarusian army in Russia. And the Iskanders will deliver and there will be a cover from the air - including from Russian airfields. The fighting will immediately cover the floor - Europe and the field of Eurasia - this is not for you to bomb Iraq

          Even if the superior forces of NATO will crush both Russian and Belarusian resistance - but the losses and expenditures of resources and time will be "unacceptable" even without nuclear weapons - I think everyone will agree with this. But nuclear weapons will also necessarily be used in this case - in fact, this will be the 3rd world

          The West will never go, because it understands that it will immediately have to wage a full-scale war with Russia and plus with the entire CSTO. And so that the West understands this, and there is a union of Belarus and Russia and the CSTO and the Union State and the Eurasian Union
          And therefore, there is a strong army of Belarus - which can be renewed and strengthened in a matter of months if necessary.

          Anyway - their army is a deterrent as well.
      2. Grandfather Luka
        Grandfather Luka 29 February 2016 14: 09
        0
        I will support and add, in spite of the rhetoric, sometimes dubious, and the various poses that the Old Man has taken due to certain circumstances, he did not do any dirty tricks on Russia. And this quality should be appreciated.
        1. Konstantin Yu
          Konstantin Yu 1 March 2016 08: 57
          -3
          Quote: Grandfather Luka
          I will support and add, in spite of the rhetoric, sometimes dubious, and the various poses that the Old Man has taken due to certain circumstances, he did not do any dirty tricks on Russia. And this quality should be appreciated.

          .. Yeah, thank you, Old Man, that you don’t stick a knife in the back, which factories will go bankrupt so that you thrive? gas discounts? Zakza? What else to substitute, so that he would deign, do not stick sticks in the wheels ... for help and I do not hope ... Just like what you need to appreciate ...
    2. By001261
      By001261 29 February 2016 11: 35
      +3
      Yeah, and they will fly to the Red Hill in a balloon?
      1. Polochanin
        Polochanin 29 February 2016 12: 16
        +2
        One misfortune, during the period of independent living, air defense of Belarus managed to bring down a balloon with an American tourist.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 29 February 2016 12: 44
          0
          Quote: Polochanin
          Belarus air defense managed to bring down a balloon with an American tourist.

          To remind about the plush landing, or
          "We play here, we don't play here, but here we wrap the fish."
  6. Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 29 February 2016 07: 22
    +1
    It seems Old Man, in the guise of a difficult geopolitical situation, is building fraternally asking for the construction of a nuclear power plant.
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 29 February 2016 09: 21
      +2
      Dali 2 billion ... Old Man is glad ...
      1. avt
        avt 29 February 2016 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: Gorinich
        Dali 2 billion ... Old Man is glad ...

        So, from a fit in a goiter, breathing was stolen and the GDP was called DAM. laughing
        Quote: ImPerts
        To understand the situation in the framework of the military-political partnership, I would like to clarify, what about the military base?

        But father isn’t up to date, guys. Yong didn’t even stutter about her.
        Quote: shurup
        Clarify how things are with the pressing of refineries, "Belaruskali", MZKT and other "tasty" objects. One gets the impression that the game is directed towards one goal.

        Well, yes. But father takes money for "say state" and "we protect you"
        Quote: Polochanin
        But do not forget that in order to get to your Krasnaya Gorka near Smolensk, someone will have to go from 583 to 721 km (depending on the chosen route) on our land.

        So the locals believe. And then, it includes, "I don’t trade in souvryanitet"
        Quote: shurup
        The air base is a political tool, not a practical one.
        The airbase is generally quite a military and even Europe’s strategic and more than practical tool.
        1. Polochanin
          Polochanin 29 February 2016 10: 57
          +6
          So the locals believe. And then, it includes, "I don’t trade in souvryanitet"

          Then remember one of his quotes: "sovereignty is not an icon to pray for."
          At the moment, there is only one proposal, give everything that you have left of the USSR (they did not ruin and sold for nothing) to our oligarchs, and we will think about it. Sorry, but somehow I don’t want to.
          1. avt
            avt 29 February 2016 11: 12
            +2
            Quote: Polochanin
            At the moment, there is only one proposal, give everything that you have left of the USSR (they did not ruin and sold for nothing) to our oligarchs, and we will think about it. Sorry, but somehow I don’t want to.

            Do you just want to get loans for "sayuznae state"? Yong cut everyone's circles, well, before being in Sochi, someone happily wrote on the site recently that the Chinese are giving some kind of projects. So it turns out what kind of Chinese they are. " laughing
            Quote: Polochanin
            Then remember one of his quotes: "sovereignty is not an icon to pray for."

            Well, en is the great Litvin of the Polovtsy of the great Ukrainians, well, the chants shuffle and take out the right one by the time, in contrast to the raguli stupidly wailing for slaughter. But in fact, how do you differ with your
            Quote: Polochanin
            At the moment, there is only one proposal, give everything that you have left of the USSR (they did not ruin and did not sell for nothing)

            from the same yokrov broadcasting that GTS is their national treasure and under no circumstances even went to the concern with the participation of the Germans? After all, But Father was holding on to the pipe, until he began to choke from paying off the debts, he was smart enough to give it to Gazprom. And then what? Again, as a drug addict proudly began to take loans for the “Belarusian economic miracle.” You live on credit and mainly on the money of Russia and also teach us how to live. Do you think that two strands were intercepted and that’s all? The pyramid will not collapse? Well, look at those who took foreign currency a mortgage loan, this is what you have with the whole country so terribly foul.
            1. Polochanin
              Polochanin 29 February 2016 11: 47
              +2
              Quote: avt
              Would you like to receive loans only under the "sayuznae state"?

              Under the union state, loans are not allocated. Do not confuse loans with the budget of the same state.
              Quote: avt
              that the Chinese are giving 2lyama for some projects. So it turns out what kind of "Chinese" they are

              no need to give their conclusions for the ultimate truth. Loans from China and a loan from EurAsEC are two different things. In this case, we are talking about the latter. The Chinese give targeted loans.
              Quote: avt
              Well yen is a great litvin
              Unlike you, he always called himself WhiteRus, and you attributed him to the Litvins. Manipulation failed, train ahead.
              Quote: avt
              After all, Batsk also held on to the pipe, while he had already begun to choke on paying off debts, he had the mind to give to Gazprom.

              And again, let's tell the whole truth. Who owed whom more in that situation? Oh, Gazprom for transit. Well, they refinanced and paid for gas, and Gazprom deigned to pay for transit. But the essence of the issue was different, to squeeze the gas pipeline on more favorable terms. Did not work out. We sold at the price which was more profitable for Belarus.
              1. avt
                avt 29 February 2016 12: 01
                +6
                Quote: Polochanin
                Under the union state, loans are not allocated. Do not confuse loans with the budget of the same state.

                Yeah, for the sayuznam gasudarstvo "last year, like they earned 4 rubles with a tail, and the budget was made up for 6 with the same tail yards of the same rubles. Well, from where plus two yards in rubles !? wassat Will father come? wassatFrom the calculation of financing 65% from Russia and 35% of Belarus? Again, even this 35% an hour is not from the newly-arrived last income from lending to Belarus, or will it still have to be sent? laughing
                Quote: Polochanin
                . The Chinese give targeted loans.

                Yeah, the Chinese give loans on collateral, unlike Russia, and they make no exceptions to anyone and anywhere! And you may not soar in denial, ours ate quite specifically in Moscow with this joint project design and the Power of Siberia, so it turned out that it is easier to build on our own.
                Quote: Polochanin
                Unlike you, he always called himself WhiteRus, and you attributed him to the Litvins.

                It’s not yet evening — don’t rush to live, here’s the next hour of repayment of your debts when you’ll arrive, then we’ll listen and learn a lot of new things about ourselves and about the Lithuanian princedom, the great and its heirs.
                Quote: Polochanin
                Who owed whom more in that situation?

                Who benefits, he took it and paid the money and pay for gas at domestic Russian prices.
                Quote: Polochanin
                . We sold at the price which was more profitable for Belarus.

                Well, rejoice, who is against it? But why did it break so much time, if now everyone is happy with that? Just don’t need songs that Gazprom used to offer less, before, but father just wanted to get gas in Ukraine like in Ukraine, but it did.
                1. Polochanin
                  Polochanin 29 February 2016 12: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: avt
                  Well, rejoice, who is against it? But why did it break so much time, if now everyone is happy with that? Just don’t need songs that Gazprom used to offer less, before, but father just wanted to get gas in Ukraine like in Ukraine, but it did.

                  So the question is that if they had not broken, they would have squeezed for nothing. You have long and stubbornly been friends with the Ukrainians, and allotment plots for the extraction of oil and gas in your north allocated them. Lukashenko, how many times he asked, and there are technologies and specialists, in response, they just twisted the fig.
                  And where is that friendship now sucking with Ukraine?
                  1. avt
                    avt 29 February 2016 13: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Polochanin
                    So the question is that if they had not broken, they would have squeezed for nothing.

                    Well, of course, lending to the Belarusian economic miracle is not included in this "little price", this is a batskin's vision of separating flies from cutlets. I see here, I don't see here. And if the grandmas are knocked out on the balance sheet intact?
                    Quote: Polochanin
                    and, in response, only nevermind twisted.

                    Well, at least here on fu fu did not ride.
                    Quote: Polochanin
                    And where is that friendship now sucking with Ukraine?

                    Yes, in the same place as with Butskaya, only the Iago has a lower pipe, and smoke is thinner - it would sit on the main transit pipe, would be bull-headed just like the great ukry.
          2. Victor jnnjdfy
            Victor jnnjdfy 29 February 2016 15: 12
            +1
            I will not excuse Mr. Polochanin. Sell ​​the "saved from the USSR" not to Russian oligarchs, but to anyone at a bargain price, who will buy. And you will be with the money. And you will not ask Russia to whine money (which is also far from comme il faut in the economy).

            It turns out that no one needs anything "saved from the USSR" for your price ("nezabessenok"), and no one really lends money to you, except for the Russian Federation.
            1. Polochanin
              Polochanin 29 February 2016 16: 43
              +5
              You can’t excuse me, for me personally it’s neither hot nor cold. But do you personally know how enterprises are sold in Belarus? With a burden. If the investor is interested, it is being sold with a social burden (the company continues to work, but does not go to scrapping, the team remains, staff optimization is needed, please, but not dismissal).
              The locals in Belarus do not want to see the "privatization" that took place in Russia.
              1. Victor jnnjdfy
                Victor jnnjdfy 29 February 2016 16: 58
                0
                The locals want "to climb up the tree and not to rip off the ass." There is no competitiveness without modernization, and modernization implies staff reduction. For an investor, the purpose of investing is to make a profit. This is the starting point when trying to sell with a "social burden."

                Why does Russia have to pay for your "wishlist-reluctant"?
                1. Villon
                  Villon 1 March 2016 05: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
                  Without modernization, there is no competitiveness, and modernization implies a reduction in staff.

                  Modernization does not imply a reduction, but training or retraining of personnel.
    2. Polochanin
      Polochanin 29 February 2016 09: 36
      +4
      You are mistaken. The schedule for financing construction was signed at the stage of decision-making on the construction of this same nuclear power plant. And today does not require additional funding.
      1. avt
        avt 29 February 2016 11: 32
        -1
        Quote: Polochanin
        . The schedule for financing construction was signed at the stage of decision-making on the construction of this same nuclear power plant.

        Here, too, by the way - what kind of shisha is that based on? well if
        The construction of the Belarusian nuclear power plant is in full swing. Of course, this is one of our flagship projects. Let me remind you that the volume of Russian investments is $ 10 billion. The launch of the first unit is scheduled for 2018, the second - for 2020.
        wassat
        Quote: Polochanin
        And today does not require additional funding.

        Well, like, and thanks for that, you don’t demand anymore with Butska. laughing
        1. Polochanin
          Polochanin 29 February 2016 11: 55
          +4
          Explanatory words of the Russian language to help. And then I see the meaning of the words does not reach everyone. Investment is not "free of charge, that is, free".
          Quote: avt
          Well, like, and thanks for the fact that, along with Butska, you no longer require
          Ha, so you can freeze construction, please the Balts. It is not the first time to "bury" money in the ground. One problem is that investors did not ask you personally.
          1. avt
            avt 29 February 2016 12: 11
            0
            Quote: Polochanin
            Investment is not "free of charge, that is, free."

            Investing whom and where? Who is the owner of the station and how to pay the creditor? Like with a Turkish nuclear power plant? We’ll make money, and then either the donkey will die, or the paddies, or maybe in 50 years we’ll fight back the money?
            Quote: Polochanin
            Ha, so you can freeze the construction, please the Balts.

            And it's all ? Well, it seems that yes. laughing
            1. Polochanin
              Polochanin 29 February 2016 12: 29
              +2
              If it were not interesting first of all for RUSSIA, there would be no construction of the century.
            2. pilot bin-bom
              pilot bin-bom 29 February 2016 20: 51
              0
              So that you calm down and do not cry for the type of ruined money. A loan for the construction of a nuclear power plant in Belarus was allocated by Russia only after a joint venture for the sale of electric energy was issued, which will be produced by the constructed nuclear power plant.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 29 February 2016 07: 22
    +2
    On the eve of this meeting, the West lifted sanctions on Belarus and announced that Lukashenka would no longer be called a "dictator" ..
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 14
      +4
      So nobody called Yanukovych a dictator, but following the results they tried to shoot oddly enough ...
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 29 February 2016 14: 27
        +7
        What is your comparison of Lukashenko and Yanutsovich based on? Only on the fact that the old man from time to time hints at a possible alternative to the Kremlin? So, unlike Yanukovych, things never went further than hints, moreover, Lukashenko never came out with the approval of such an initiative to the Belarusian people (because there is no alternative and he understands this perfectly), all such statements were made exclusively for external use and not for internal In Kiev, on the contrary, it was just the opposite - the Euro-association was actively actively involved in the population.
        Or is such rhetoric bothering you at all? And how would you try to protect your producer, your capital, from attempts to absorb a much larger, but no less greedy player? Or are you so convinced of the sinlessness of our capitalism? Then remember what happened to the vast majority of enterprises in the Russian province, which turned out to be absorbed by the Moscow business, closely intertwined with the government apparatus, from which effective managers (nicknamed the Vikings) sucked out all the juices and left to agonize. Do you want such a fate for the Belarusian people?
        What always amazed us, when we criticize Lukashenka, we always forget how we sometimes look from the outside. Remember how the sun-face behaved at this meeting? His whole appearance, up to the manner of sitting, showed that he was at home and was waiting for the report of the "careless boyar" on the state of affairs in the district entrusted to him. Is this possible in Kazakhstan with Nazarbayev? Why is this possible in Minsk with Lukashenka? Is it really just because we give money? But money does not give rise to allies, the experience of Ukraine just speaks of this. In someone else's eye we see a straw, in our own we do not notice a log.
        Yes, I would also like for our two countries to have as little as possible of disagreements and disagreements, I would like for the decisions of the Kremlin to always find a positive response in Minsk. But for this we need to decide once and for all ourselves, to draw a clear line of behavior with the CIS countries. Money is good, but handouts will never bring respect. Moscow itself is to blame for the fact that instead of cooperation we proposed Minsk dependency (after all, it’s easier, you don’t need to create anything). I have said and will continue to say: we need a focused integration program based on mutual respect for the ways of managing, we must finally cool our capital by outlining the clear boundaries of expansion, where and where not. And if we are so great, is it worth considering the money spent on this good cause?
        Remember, the border (and Belarus is precisely our border, like Ukraine) is the peripheral organ of the state, in which its growth, strength or weakness and all changes in the state’s organism are manifested. A strong state is one that is able to maintain close ties between its border zones and the core. Any tendency to weaken this interaction will inevitably weaken the state and lead to the loss of the border zone, which may proclaim independence from the center or join a neighboring state or bloc.
        1. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 29 February 2016 15: 03
          +2
          What I personally mean in the Union State is:

          1. an attempt to slightly push the border from the official one.
          2. A little more people and technology in a possible war (doubtful)
          3. The official budget cut.
          4. Official sponsorship of Belarus (Lukashenko).

          If only we could take advantage of the fact that Lukashenko and the countries are lifting sanctions and would buy equipment and electronics through Belarusian companies that we don’t officially buy because of the sanctions.
        2. Polochanin
          Polochanin 29 February 2016 17: 03
          +7
          Quote: Dante
          Only on the fact that the old man from time to time hints at a possible alternative to the Kremlin?

          But, the alternative is not in the sense of who to be with, Russia or the EU (the West), but the social development of the state. After all, we don’t think, perhaps, in fact, a social experiment is underway to find a way to develop the very RUSSIAN World, which is fair for all, and not for the elect. A model which can be offered to the rest of the world and the world.
          Remember Russian folk tales. The father had three sons, the eldest was a smart fellow, the middle one was like that, and the youngest was. Isn't it about us, about Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians? The elder has become a pragmatist, the middle has entered a slippery slope. And what should the youngest do? Give up the bonds of blood? And to be "Ivan not remembering kinship"? Personally, it doesn't suit me. I cannot give up the land on which I was born, where my ancestors are buried. I can't refuse Russia either, my relatives live there, who may not even know about me. But this is my blood. No matter how bad it is in Ukraine, I can't refuse it either, because there I have a lot of blood relatives. So what to do?
          1. MMX
            MMX 29 February 2016 19: 46
            0
            Quote: Polochanin
            Quote: Dante
            Only on the fact that the old man from time to time hints at a possible alternative to the Kremlin?

            But, the alternative is not in the sense of who to be with, Russia or the EU (the West), but the social development of the state. After all, we don’t think, perhaps, in fact, a social experiment is underway to find a way to develop the very RUSSIAN World, which is fair for all, and not for the elect. A model which can be offered to the rest of the world and the world.


            Curious. And what alternatives do you see for the development of the social development of the state?
  8. ImPerts
    ImPerts 29 February 2016 07: 26
    +2
    To understand the situation in the framework of the military-political partnership, I would like to clarify, what about the military base? Widely announced and suddenly silence?
    And in economic terms, the re-export of oil and oil products from oil has always been a big component in maintaining the model that Lukashenko built. Oil, oil products and potash fertilizers.
    And yet, what's in the outpost with a military base?
    1. shurup
      shurup 29 February 2016 08: 17
      +3
      Clarify how things are with the pressing of refineries, "Belaruskali", MZKT and other "tasty" objects. One gets the impression that the game is directed towards one goal.
      Belarus does not have the means to acquire the latest weapons, and Russia has no desire to make a land-lease to an ally. The air base is a political tool, not a practical one.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 29 February 2016 08: 33
        +1
        Quote: shurup
        Clarify how things are with the pressing of refineries, "Belaruskali", MZKT and other "tasty" objects. One gets the impression that the game is directed towards one goal.

        So I understand this on:
        Quote: ImPerts
        And in economic terms, the re-export of oil and oil products from oil has always been a big component in maintaining the model that Lukashenko built. Oil, oil products and potash fertilizers.

        You are about the game, and I'm about the basis of the economic model of modern Belarus.
        And I'm more interested in the fate of the military base, and not the refinery, Belaruskali, MZKT, etc.
        About gasoline, which is made at this refinery from oil imported at low prices and sold at a profit (where they will pay more), warning Russian consumers that there will be no supply, because it is unprofitable, I am silent.
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 29 February 2016 13: 51
        0
        Lend-lease, by the way, is done - a set of C300 from the freed in the Armed Forces of Russia is allocated. This is probably the one that was replaced with C400.
        Quote: shurup
        Clarify how things are with the pressing of refineries, "Belaruskali", MZKT and other "tasty" objects. One gets the impression that the game is directed towards one goal.
        Belarus does not have the means to acquire the latest weapons, and Russia has no desire to make a land-lease to an ally. The air base is a political tool, not a practical one.
      3. Valera999
        Valera999 29 February 2016 16: 24
        0
        fine!! it means themselves with a mustache, they are already cooperating with Ukraine and China. Do you need it ??
        Here is Polonaise = Belarus’s independent time from Russia, now it won't be banned with the SU-27, you’ll have to pay with lost profits if you don’t sell it, because Russia will agree with Lukashenko so that it’s not sold to enemies, the auction is really expected !!! So I don’t see much joy in muck. The less cooperation there is, the greater will be the split in the Mirage State. So the blackmail of Russia, our ally, will not disappear anywhere.
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 15
      0
      and what about the military base? Widely announced and suddenly silence?


      And you guess ... belay
  9. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 29 February 2016 07: 38
    +9
    Honestly, I believe Lukashenko less and less ...
    1. Sally
      Sally 29 February 2016 10: 29
      +8
      I am also Putin and Medveday less and less believe ... (
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 29 February 2016 21: 12
        -2
        Quote: Sally
        I am also Putin and Medveday less and less believe ... (

        So go to Red Square with a poster "Medvedev / Putin, go away", show people an example of how to actively express your civic position
        1. Villon
          Villon 1 March 2016 06: 11
          +1
          Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
          Quote: Sally
          I am also Putin and Medveday less and less believe ... (

          So go to Red Square with a poster "Medvedev / Putin, go away", show people an example of how to actively express your civic position

          Even if they leave, the people left by them will remain. Also, note the appointed oligarchs who will not go anywhere without a review of the results of the Chubais privatization. And in general, the question is not whether Putin or Medvedev will leave with the people they put in key posts, but who will come in their place.
      2. Villon
        Villon 1 March 2016 06: 05
        +1
        Quote: Sally
        I am also Putin and Medveday less and less believe ... (

        One should not believe in words, but "learn by deeds." What matters? Either those that are secretly made, or those that make you want to cry.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 29 February 2016 10: 40
      +7
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      naturally, less and less I believe Lukashenko ...

      Do you believe in GDP and Dam?
      maybe Zhirinovsky?
    3. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 29 February 2016 21: 10
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Honestly, I believe Lukashenko less and less ...

      And on the contrary, I regard him as an important ally of Russia in world politics. For example, by becoming an intermediary in the Ukrainian issue, he was able to impose Poroshenko on such conditions that, if executed, Ukraine would actually become a colony of Russia.
      PS Soviet diplomacy at one time failed precisely because of the lack of strategic flexibility, i.e. when "showing teeth" to the West
  10. Korsar4
    Korsar4 29 February 2016 07: 42
    +1
    Union State projects are minimal. But the same educational component can be appreciated. It is enough to see where Ukraine has left us since the 90s. And where is Belarus. A niche will be freed - they will immediately occupy it.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 32
      +2
      Enough to see where Ukraine left us from the 90s


      By the way - impressive.
      The place where she went.
      1. Polochanin
        Polochanin 29 February 2016 10: 38
        +1
        You may be very impressed with who will come and stay there. And most importantly, with what comes.
  11. shurup
    shurup 29 February 2016 08: 05
    +4
    History loves to repeat itself. Therefore, in Belarus they are afraid of the Anschluss. Arrivals on an ally are not moderated even in VO. Although the administration has information about who is doing this.
  12. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 29 February 2016 08: 25
    0
    Quote: shurup
    History loves to repeat itself. Therefore, in Belarus fear Anschluss. Arrivals on an ally are not moderated even in VO. Although the administration has information about who is doing this.

    Do we need it ??? Tired of content wagging the back of the republic. More than 60% of the GDP of the Republic of Belarus is somehow tied to the Russian Federation. Some of these funds are generally direct subsidies. The Belarusian miracle, the Belarusian miracle ... is by no means an economic one, rather an adaptive-milking one, and several of the queens do not come off. Belarus does not produce any of the products that cannot be produced in Russia. Maz, MZKT, MTZ. Neither microprocessor technology, nor precision metal-working machines ANYTHING.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 February 2016 08: 59
      11
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      MTZ

      Misha, take an interest in the geography of tractor exports. Far from only Russia. No words - Russia is one of the main consumers of Belarusian industry. But we also buy tractors, tractors and other equipment not from allied feelings, but because on some points Belarus offers the best combination of price and quality. And with the existing oligarchic system, it is not profitable to produce one - it will cost more. Like asphalt - a kilometer of the road with us costs twice as much as in Sweden and Finland. Tell whose friend in Russia drives the roads? wink
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 29 February 2016 09: 20
        +3
        I have information on tractor sales for 2011 year. If you have a fresher, then I will be glad to see.
        And sales are growing ...
        For five months of this year, the Minsk Tractor Plant exported almost 23,3 thousand units of equipment, which amounted to 151,4% compared to the same period last year. In just 5 months, MTZ sold more than 25,6 thousand tractors and special machines for export and to the domestic market, that is, 2,2 thousand were sold inside Belarus.
        The sales growth rate amounted to 136,4%. During this period, 6,8 thousand tractors were shipped to non-CIS countries (export growth rate - 108,6%). More than 6 thousand units of equipment delivered to the CIS countries (160,7%), not including Russia.
        Where were the tractors sold?
        - almost 10,5 thousand tractors to Russia
        - to Ukraine - 3,8 thousand
        - to Kazakhstan - 991 tractor
        - to Poland - 1 thousand
        - to Serbia - 584 tractors
        - to Lithuania - 639
        - to Hungary - 420
        - to Egypt - 364

        If to summarize, it turns out 18298 tractors. 5000 tractors have been sold elsewhere. I wonder why they are not on the list?
        About
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        but because on some points Belarus offers the best combination of price and quality

        I know that it was strongly recommended to buy buses manufactured by Maz. And yet they were bought.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 February 2016 10: 08
          +3
          Quote: ImPerts
          strongly recommended to buy buses manufactured by Maz. And yet they were bought.

          I have not heard about lobbying by our MAZ. Maybe somewhere it took place, but this is an exception. Tractors "Belorus" - the lion's share of tractors are bought by private companies. Nobody recommends them. This is a cleaner example of demand.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 29 February 2016 10: 14
            +1
            I will tell you more, the massive purchase of domestic equipment is also lobbying for the interests of domestic manufacturers at the state level.
            And in my opinion this is correct.
            And in the same way the interests of Belarusian manufacturers are lobbyed.
          2. Fat
            Fat 29 February 2016 17: 00
            +4
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I have not heard about lobbying by our MAZ. Maybe somewhere it took place, but this is an exception. Tractors "Belorus" - the lion's share of tractors are bought by private companies. Nobody recommends them. This is a cleaner example of demand.

            Add PET. For 8 years I was engaged in the production of packaging for the needs of the enterprise. Only the Belarusian AMIPAK met the always and completely required requests for films, for some reason their proposals turned out to be more interesting to the small private owner
        2. avt
          avt 29 February 2016 10: 51
          +2
          Quote: ImPerts
          I know that it was strongly recommended to buy buses manufactured by Maz. And yet they were bought.

          In Moscow, they became extinct, such as more and more of the Russian assembly, but previously there were much more.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 29 February 2016 11: 27
            0
            This is 2008-2009. If not before. Yes, and not in Moscow, in Siberia)))
        3. lesnik1978
          lesnik1978 29 February 2016 16: 52
          +4
          Tractors on collective farms and state farms are forcibly shoved by us. This concerns MAZ. I don’t know how it is now, but before the whole territory of the plant was filled with tractors.
          1. Fat
            Fat 29 February 2016 17: 23
            0
            Quote: lesnik1978
            Tractors on collective farms and state farms are forcibly shoved by us. This concerns MAZ. I don’t know how it is now, but before the whole territory of the plant was filled with tractors.

            In Soviet times, I was surprised by the situation when the territory of the VAZ was crowded with cars, and the line for buying a car was from 2 to 4 years ...
      2. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 29 February 2016 23: 52
        0
        Greetings Igor.
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Misha, take an interest in the geography of tractor exports. Far from only Russia

        So no one said that Russia is the only buyer of Belarusian engineering products. The conversation that we are the most massive customer (and this is not counting subsidies through oil, gas prices, smuggling of sanctioned products from Europe, etc.). Moreover, unlike Kazakhstan, we have a worthy alternative to the products of the same MTZ. Heavy chassis for rocket technology could be successfully produced at the BAZ or in the future at KAMAZ. And so on all counts, but Belarus is unlikely to replace Russia.
        With all this, the Old Man behaves inappropriately defiantly and provocatively in relation to the Russian Federation.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 1 March 2016 08: 59
          +1
          Hi, Misha. hi
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Heavy chassis for rocket technology could be successfully produced at the BAZ or in the future at KAMAZ.

          In theory, yes, but in practice, as I answered above, our attempts to release our own are more costly. Because at the origins of all "good" intentions are people like Rotenberg (the price per kilometer of asphalt is higher than in Europe), or Chubais and Serdyukov.
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 37
      +4
      Tired of content, wagging back of the republic. More than 60% of the GDP of Belarus is somehow tied to the Russian Federation. Some of these funds are generally direct subsidies.




      At the same time, which is typical, this subsidized republic pursues a frankly anti-Russian policy.
      Thank you, enough.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 February 2016 10: 10
        +6
        Quote: Olezhek
        This subsidized republic pursues an openly anti-Russian policy.

        Take a trip to Chechnya. wink
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 29 February 2016 10: 16
          +3
          Take a trip to Chechnya


          Yep - laughed
          And so for reference - there was a conflict in the south-east of Ukraine

          So you will be surprised, but at some point the guys from the North Caucasus really helped.
          It is a pity about the Belarusians can not say this ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 February 2016 10: 50
            +9
            Quote: Olezhek
            guys from the North Caucasus helped a lot.

            Your memory is short, you forgot how our boys cut their heads. Chechnya is calm now, not because the Russians and Chechens live in peace, but because There is no Russian population left. And Chechnya is the most subsidized region in Russia. Subsidies will end - Kadyrov’s loyalty will end.
            1. Olezhek
              Olezhek 29 February 2016 11: 15
              0
              Your memory is short, you have forgotten how our boys cut their heads


              And between the Russians and the Chechens there was a lot that was ... you can write a novel, maybe someone will write.
              But in the Donbas somehow volunteers were present.
              And in Russia, this was appreciated, as was the position of Belarusians on fascism in Kiev.
              And the conclusions made.

              If subsidies end, Kadyrov’s loyalty will end.


              Lukashenka’s loyalty somehow didn’t even begin, despite subsidies. request
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 29 February 2016 10: 24
        0
        Quote: Olezhek
        At the same time, which is typical, this subsidized republic pursues a frankly anti-Russian policy.

        You no longer go winter without a hat
        1. Sally
          Sally 29 February 2016 10: 36
          -3
          Quote: Olezhek
          So you will be surprised, but at some point the guys from the North Caucasus really helped.
          It is a pity about the Belarusians can not say this ...

          Sorry, but the time has passed for the brother of the murder (except for individual Zmagors).
      3. Polochanin
        Polochanin 29 February 2016 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: Olezhek
        Tired of content, wagging back of the republic. More than 60% of the GDP of Belarus is somehow tied to the Russian Federation. Some of these funds are generally direct subsidies.




        At the same time, which is typical, this subsidized republic pursues a frankly anti-Russian policy.
        Thank you, enough.

        Please give examples of subsidies in numbers. Donation (from the Latin. Dotatio - a gift, donation)
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 29 February 2016 12: 21
          +4
          Please give examples of subsidies in numbers. Donation (from the Latin. Dotatio - a gift, donation)


          So you want to say that all these years, the Republic of Belarus has been buying oil and gas in Russia at world prices?

          In-in - this is a subsidy.

          Not only.

          By the way, when Belarus did not recognize South Ossetia, the subsidies were cut and a terrible economic and political crisis began in the "reserve of socialism" (have you noticed? Or are you not writing from Belarus?)

          And dad rushed to the IMF ... but it did not save him.

          Guys - well, you at least read the press - you own Russian, the Internet is
          1. Polochanin
            Polochanin 29 February 2016 12: 39
            +3
            Quote: Olezhek
            By the way, when Belarus did not recognize South Ossetia, the subsidies were cut and a terrible economic and political crisis began in the "reserve of socialism" (have you noticed? Or are you not writing from Belarus?)

            I want to upset you, our crisis began in 2009. And not after non-recognition, but after the fall of 2008, when the global economic crisis began. But with the political crisis, is this something interesting? Enlighten the stupid Bulbash?
        2. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 29 February 2016 23: 18
          -3
          Quote: Polochanin
          Please give examples of subsidies in numbers. Donation (from the Latin. Dotatio - a gift, donation)

          Yes please. At the price of Brent crude oil per barrel in the region of $ 100, RB received it at $ 65. Total consumption at that time was in the region of 20 million tons of crude oil, of which only 8 million was for domestic needs, and the rest was refining and selling oil products to Europe at quite reasonable market prices. And as it were, more than one year lasted. Gas prices are lower than domestic, and the actions of the Republic of Belarus against the background of counter-sanctions in the form of pineapple and salmon have become a byword. Continue or stop ???
          1. Villon
            Villon 1 March 2016 06: 28
            +2
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            At the price of Brent crude oil per barrel in the region of $ 100, RB received it at $ 65. Total consumption at that time was in the region of 20 million tons of crude oil, of which only 8 million was for domestic needs, and the rest was refining and selling oil products to Europe at quite reasonable market prices.

            And who is stopping Russia from selling refined and refined products, not crude oil?
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 March 2016 08: 51
            0
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            Gas prices below domestic

            We also sell electricity to China cheaper! wink
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 29 February 2016 10: 34
      +4
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Do we need it ??? Tired of content wagging the back of the republic.

      if the cotton wool in your head is really bad.
      Well, run, build the border near Smolensk.
      It seems that a significant part of the population has gone crazy.
      They have everything bad, Belarusians are bad, Ukrainians are bad, weights are bad.
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      some of these funds are generally direct subsidies.

      You subsidize oligarchs daily, subsidize embezzlers, subsidize rogue deputies, but that doesn’t bother you, right Karl?
      1. Victor jnnjdfy
        Victor jnnjdfy 29 February 2016 15: 38
        0
        Strange you are comrade Mr. PHANTOM-AS ...

        And Belarusians, and Ukrainians, and Georgians: "People are like people. They love money, but it has always been ... Humanity loves money, from whatever it is made of, from ... Well, frivolous ... well, well ... ordinary people ... in general, they resemble the former ... the housing issue only spoiled them ... "(c).

        Another quote. It belongs to Dr. Goebbels and sounds something like this: "Give me the media, and I will turn any people into a herd of pigs."
        Now answer the question: "Who owns the media in Ukraine?"

        Well, since there is theft and corruption in Russia (nobody steals in Belarus), the Russians, in the opinion of Mr. FANTOM-AS, should silently subsidize Belarus as well. Congenial!
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 1 March 2016 07: 57
          +4
          Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
          Now answer the question: "Who owns the media in Ukraine?"

          The same scumbags as in Russia.
          Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
          then the Russians, according to Mr. FANTOM-AS, should silently subsidize Belarus as well. Congenial!

          If you think that you personally "subsidize" Belarus, then you will come out with a proposal to the Russian government to return your part of the subsidies wassat
      2. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 1 March 2016 00: 06
        -1
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        You subsidize oligarchs daily, subsidize embezzlers, subsidize rogue deputies, but that doesn’t bother you, right Karl?

        Firstly, I’m very concerned about what is happening in our country, but the article was not about corruption and the Russian oligarchs.
        Secondly, I have a name and it’s not necessary to refer allegorically to Carl
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        They have everything bad, Belarusians are bad, Ukrainians are bad, weights are bad.

        Thirdly, I did not call anyone bad or good. Talk about the need to deal with your country and your people, and not imaginary friends. Who our friend is known from the time of Alexander III. Nobody calls to build a border, but it’s worth stopping to subsidize and at the same time turn a blind eye to increasingly challenging behavior.
        if the cotton wool in your head is really bad.

        It’s hard to disagree wink
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 1 March 2016 08: 13
          +3
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          The conversation that you need to deal with your country and your people,

          Well, do it already! and then 25 years alone blah blah blah.
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          not imaginary friends

          In your strange wadded little world, Belarusians have already become "imaginary friends", Karl? request
          And again, you are not worried about the cancellation of multi-dollar debts to Iraq, for example.
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Who our friend is known from the time of Alexander III.

          I know very firmly that the outskirts and Belarus are part of my homeland, and the people living there are my compatriots soldier
        2. Polochanin
          Polochanin 1 March 2016 18: 52
          +2
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Who our friend is known from the time of Alexander III.

          Take the trouble to update the history of the Russian Empire and the borders of this empire. Or was he not the autocrat of all Russia, both white and small?
  13. with
    with 29 February 2016 08: 26
    +3
    Relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus are an example (both good and bad) for the entire post-USSR. On what conditions does the Russian Federation provide financial support? How to get an order for businesses? What room for maneuver does an ally have? And this is being followed closely, primarily in Ukraine, and the rest of the "non-brothers" are watching the process. Therefore, poison A.G. Lukashenko does not seem very smart. You just need to know "where is his button."
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 29 February 2016 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: met
      Therefore, poison A.G. Lukashenko seems not very smart.

      But who is poisoning him, at the meeting about the Russian air base, not a word, about Ukraine, Syria, anti-Russian sanctions are silent, though the silence is about the next Russian loan to Belarus. It all came down to a discussion of the economy, probably it was not in vain that Lukashenko made a slip of the tongue and called Putin Dmitry Anatolyevich, because economic issues could be discussed with Medvedev, Lukashenko is afraid to frighten the West, because only through his diligent behavior he achieved the lifting of sanctions and now, if asked in the West, he can safely answer "... helped the children" (c), i.e. He discussed the economy, but did not support Russia's foreign policy. Oh, and cunning, however ...
      1. botur
        botur 29 February 2016 09: 40
        +3
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        the truth about the next Russian loan to Belarus is silence.

        Still lard stupid, so that the economic miracle continues. lol
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 55
          0
          Two lard still blown away


          Is there a link to a SERIOUS source for this event ??
          And then in the search for all some sort of dregs climbs.
          1. Polochanin
            Polochanin 29 February 2016 10: 12
            +2
            Interview with the Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Belarus. http://news.tut.by/economics/486496.html
      2. Polochanin
        Polochanin 29 February 2016 11: 24
        +3
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Who is poisoning him?

        Bah, what is your short memory, or is it better to say "girlish"? And who showed "Godfather 1,2,3", probably the BBC or NBC? Oh, it was NTV! Who is the owner since 2001? Gazprom-media and further along the chain to PJSC Gazprom. And who is our majority owner, really the US government? No, it seems to belong to the Russian state.
        More questions, but who is poisoning him?
        What is most striking in the interlocutors is the desire to talk only on convenient topics. As it was there: "we play here, we do not play here, but here we wrapped the fish."
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 29 February 2016 12: 40
          +2
          Quote: Polochanin
          More questions, but who is poisoning him?

          Oh, oh, I feel sorry for Rygorych, Gazprom poisoned him with gas at the domestic Russian price plus delivery, and even forgives debts on a regular basis.
          The Russian Federation restructures the debt of Belarus due to underpayment for gas.
          http://ria.ru/economy/20111125/497835024.html#14567341960074&message=resize&relt

          o = login & action = removeClass & value = registration
          Departmental magazine of the National Bank of Belarus "Bankovskiy Vestnik" about subsidies to Belarus.
          http://www.nbrb.by/bv/cont.asp?id=9712 апрель 2013, стр. 6
          You will find about the oil power of Belarus yourself, about solvents ... I have no time to look at work.
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 35
      -1
      And this is followed closely first of all in Ukraine.


      That is, Ukraine still decides something there? Amazing


      On what conditions does the Russian Federation provide financial support? How to get an order for enterprises?


      Such reasoning made sense 10 years ago.
      now as it is no longer relevant
      1. Polochanin
        Polochanin 29 February 2016 10: 07
        +8
        Ukraine does not decide anything. But, sooner or later (and most likely late), the people living on the outskirts of the once great state will get drunk on the shit that is now happening on their land and will think about where to go. Actions according to the saying "hit your own so that others are afraid" is not the best algorithm. Many who stand at a crossroads will lose the desire to even speak to someone who adheres to such principles.
        For you personally, it may not be relevant on what conditions the financial resources are allocated, for the business of the Russian Federation it is even very relevant and for the Republic of Belarus it is even relevant.
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 29 February 2016 08: 33
    +6
    Here he is, our clear and at the same time secret ally.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 16
      +1
      Yeah - there is only joking and remains ... laughing
  15. syndicalist
    syndicalist 29 February 2016 09: 24
    +2
    informational disregard

    Yes, it's high time to calm down about the "union state"
  16. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 29 February 2016 09: 45
    +1
    Stuff Belarus S_300, 400, 500 according to the tonsils and prepare nishtyachkov. Let the psheks sleep restlessly for the rest of their lives.
  17. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 29 February 2016 09: 48
    +1
    The international relations of Belarus and Russia are an iceberg: only a small visible part is located above the water. The presidents of our countries have much more information than all the residents of these countries. And the current level of relations between our countries is exactly what it can be in a modern international situation. As, however, with Ukraine ...
    We must be content with what we have, but strive for the best.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 09: 57
      -3
      International relations of Belarus and Russia are an iceberg: only a small visible part is above the water


      Colleague, let's not spread myths and legends ...
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 29 February 2016 11: 08
        +7
        Quote: Olezhek
        Colleague, let's not spread myths and legends ...

        mdyaya
        Let's! I know for sure that in the Republic of Belarus, Serdyukov, Vasilieva and thieving governors were not noticed.
        I know for sure that there is no Mordashov in the Republic of Bashkortostan, just as there are no mertenbergs and other "businessmen".
        And I also know for sure that the population of Maskvabad is larger than the whole of Belarus.
        Only here in Maskvabad the whole country is messing around and nothing.
        or are these myths? wink
  18. black
    black 29 February 2016 10: 17
    +5
    The third day I talk with Belarusians in networks. Expansion from Russophobian nationalist to Soviet rainbow. The average salary in Belarus was discussed as follows. The opponent wrote me the answers and immediately deleted. In short, it's bad there now. The people in places are bullied. Old Man is more concerned about his own power. Army funding is not growing. They hope to modernize at the expense of the union state. Consider your air defense not. The nuthouse is the other way around. The director has megalomania, and the whole country is being treated.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 29 February 2016 10: 36
      0
      The average salary in Belarus was discussed as follows. Opponent wrote me the answers and then deleted.


      Interesting!!

      Short sucks there now


      Apparently so. and without lumen.
      1. Polochanin
        Polochanin 29 February 2016 12: 13
        +4
        Of course, you can arrange a competition for throwing your opponent with feces, but this will not be productive, although with some only this method is suitable.
        Take out a log from your eye, who has a greater social stratification? Is it really in Belarus? But national wealth (in the sense of natural resources) per capita? Also in Belarus?
    2. Sally
      Sally 29 February 2016 10: 40
      +1
      Where is it right now there is air defense if everywhere all sorts of koruznik fly from Europe)
  19. surrozh
    surrozh 29 February 2016 10: 38
    +5
    They torn apart a great country in Pushcha into Podzhopniks, and now they don’t know how to assemble it. Everyone understands that Russians are better together - but they hold on to their teeth with all sorts of ways, even Lukashenko, even parashenko.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 29 February 2016 10: 50
      +8
      Quote: surozh
      but they hold on to power with their teeth and in every possible way, even Lukashenko, even parashenko.

      One GDP well done - do not hold on ... lol
    2. Polochanin
      Polochanin 29 February 2016 12: 49
      +5
      Before Lukashenka (the chairman of the collective farm) we had one intellectual (from the academic community), it's good that it didn't take long, but he took part in the collapse. If he remained at the "helm", where do you think Belarus would be now? Probably in the same place as the Baltics. And believe me, the Labuses would have dragged us along with them to the EU. And this one, holding on to power, rested his horn and into no one.
      And the big question is where the one who comes after him will lead the country.
  20. koshmarik
    koshmarik 29 February 2016 10: 39
    +3
    No specifics and analysis - pure emotions. I wouldn’t go into intelligence with Lukashenko.
  21. sancho16
    sancho16 29 February 2016 10: 52
    -5
    Great-grandfather of Zeus (2) RU Today, 07:38
    Honestly, less and less I believe Lukashenko

    This is because you are zombies of federal media that Belarus and Lukashenko always
    demanized and slandered.
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 1 March 2016 00: 19
      -2
      Quote: sancho16
      demаlowered
      demоlowered. It's too small for a demon, here is Saddam, Muammar, Assad, yes what and Grigorich so, little devil winked

  22. sancho16
    sancho16 29 February 2016 11: 03
    +3
    The main difference between Belarus and Russia is that in a crisis in Russia a barn lock is hung on a plant
    and people are put out on the street, live as you can. In Belarus, the Old Man asks, where will people go from
    an ax on the big road?, so let them work for a small salary, but honestly for a piece of bread
    earn. Here and think everyone, for whom what is better?
  23. Olezhek
    Olezhek 29 February 2016 11: 04
    +1
    You know, I will say this, guys: I communicate with the Belarusians for a very long time, and in general, the farther away I look gloomier at this republic.
    Her mournful perspectives emerge, just like in Ukraine - Euroshlyakh ...
    The complexity of the discussions is that economically Belarus is tied to Russia, even more than being Ukraine, and politically they are increasingly looking to the West.
    And their economy is, frankly, Old Soviet.
    How to get out of this ambush - I do not know.
    In principle, there are no positive prospects. Everything is worse, worse and worse ...

    The only real option (without massive shocks) was in 0-e - dissolve in Russia as a piece of sugar in a mug of hot tea. yes
    But this is of no interest to them.
    All other options (which are now left) - EXTREMELY painful.

    That is the Russian 90-e ... (from which YAKOBY saved Lukashenko) ahead in full growth. At the same time, they have no oil and the global crisis is raging ... (unlike 90's)

    Belarussians, - once again - we are not interested in financing the European integration at our own expense categorically.

    But Belarus has no money for this, as Ukraine did not have them.

    It’s just that the Belarusians themselves admit that the country is very small and they cannot survive alone, BUT they DO NOT WANT to unite with Russia, forgive what remains?
    Hike to Mars?

    Magical such European integration ... at the expense of Russia.
    1. avt
      avt 29 February 2016 11: 40
      -2
      Quote: Olezhek
      Belarussians, - once again - we are not interested in financing the European integration at our own expense categorically.

      good As well as to create at their own expense the national state of the "great Litvin"
      Quote: Olezhek
      Magical such European integration ... at the expense of Russia.
      Smoothly transitioning from the "Belarusian economic miracle".
      Which will end in the same way as in Ukraine - at least a shock of social "reforms" from the IMF.
      Quote: Olezhek
      The only real option (without massive shocks) was in 0-e - dissolve in Russia as a piece of sugar in a mug of hot tea.
      But this is of no interest to them.

      Well, something like that, they already realized in a large mass of themselves great Litvinians and there was only one step left - to move from talking about our oligarchs simply to expressing with one word - the Horde, well, by analogy with the Ruin.
      Quote: Olezhek
      All other options (which are now left) - EXTREMELY painful.

      It’s not bloody - to become the Baltic No. 2 with all the ensuing consequences, or Ukraine. But also No. 2. negative
    2. No login
      No login 29 February 2016 12: 20
      +5
      Quote: Olezhek
      Her sad prospects are looming, just like in Ukraine - Euroscholz

      Tell us what fun ways of development exist for Belarus, with all the consequences. With an explanation, please, why this is so, and not otherwise.
      I am not a supporter of the existing regime in the Republic of Belarus, to put it mildly. And I am not a supporter of Belarus’s accession to the European Union.
      Quote: Olezhek
      The only real option (without massive shocks) was in 0-e - dissolve in Russia as a piece of sugar in a mug of hot tea.
      But they are not interested

      Now it’s very important to clarify, for what? Have you been to Belarus? Maybe Russia is better to dissolve in Belarus? Answer needed. They said - answer for your words. Why did Belarus have to dissolve in the Russian Federation? What are the pluses for the people and for the country?
      Quote: Olezhek
      It’s not interesting for us to categorically finance someone’s European integration at our own expense.

      Not interesting, I agree, but your government is playing with this. And what the hell is Euro-integration? This is an empty phrase. Economic cooperation - I understand, I agree. But Lukashenko cannot talk about integration with Europe.
      Quote: Olezhek
      It’s just that Belarusians themselves admit that the country is very small and they alone cannot survive

      This is where such conclusions came from? Had a dream? Switzerland and Austria are small states, and there is no oil in them (Russia is a giant country with oil, this is a class !!). Their economy works for the needs of people. And not people for the economy, working for the needs of the oligarchs and those with power, which, in principle, is the same in Russia.
      1. avt
        avt 29 February 2016 13: 12
        -1
        Quote: No login
        This is where such conclusions came from? Had a dream?

        Nope! This is from his education, some have such a defect - they call knowledge, which is strength, and there is also "experience, the son of difficult mistakes", and it is scary to think - "genius, friend of paradoxes."
        Quote: No login
        ? Switzerland and Austria are small states, and there is no oil in them (Russia is a giant country with oil, this is a class !!).

        That's for sure, only again the same Switzerland was established in this status of the World Bank and a neutral state on the proposal and with the direct participation of Sasha No. 1 of the Russian Emperor, and Austria became such after the agreement on its status after the victory in 1945 and the withdrawal of the Soviet occupation forces with a guarantee of compliance with this status. You can bring the World and Grad something similar - well, become an analogue, but I don’t believe that you can. Well, as long as there is no prospect of such a wonderful change, so wait when the financial pyramid collapses. And in this sovereign situation, the Baltic option will seem happy. Actually, to be honest, this correspondence with Belarusians starts to strain me a lot, as it all reminds me very well how on the same topics corresponded in 2013 with Ukrainian visitors, and quite literate and ..... I would like to be wrong in the forecasts, but based on previous experience, I have no chance of going ..
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 1 March 2016 00: 33
          -2
          Quote: avt
          Actually, to be honest, this correspondence with Belarusians starts to strain me a lot, as it all reminds me very well of how I corresponded with Ukrainian visitors on the same topics in 2013, and are quite literate and ..... I would like to be wrong in the forecasts , but based on previous experience, I don’t have any chances ..

          Regrettably, it’s hard to disagree with you.
    3. lesnik1978
      lesnik1978 29 February 2016 16: 56
      +2
      Why do not want to unite? Many really want to.
  24. Olezhek
    Olezhek 29 February 2016 12: 40
    +4
    Tell us what fun ways of development exist for Belarus, with all the consequences. With an explanation, please, why this is so, and not otherwise.
    I am not a supporter of the existing regime in the Republic of Belarus, to put it mildly. And I am not a supporter of Belarus’s accession to the European Union.


    There is an economic system of the Russian Federation and there is the same system of the EU
    Yes, the EU is bigger and richer, but Belarusian factories and their products are not needed there for nothing.
    Poland in the EU Lithuania in the EU
    Ukraine (having a common economy with the Russian Federation) rushed into the EU and lost its economy
    I am not a doctor of science, but I see no other options besides the full economic integration of the Republic of Belarus into Russia.
    So it goes. I will not say that it will be fun, but this is the only way to avoid mass unemployment for Belarusians.

    Why did Belarus have to dissolve in the Russian Federation? What are the advantages for the people and for the country.


    Example - Russia orders a large batch of products at the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant for the Russian Armed Forces.
    And dad at the last moment gets into a pose ...
    So what? What to carry rockets? Conclusion - do not order in Belarus, do not order important things there IN GENERAL
    and thousands, tens of thousands of Belarusians are losing their jobs.
    Further, the issue of defense in the West. (Belarusians are also concerned)
    Belarus as part of Russia - the issue would have already been resolved.
    In real life - endless bargaining ... Lukashenka will allow Russia to build JOINT DEFENSE at the expense of Russia if Russia HIM pay for it (doesn’t it seem that there is an extra link here?)
    In general, if Belarus is a part of Russia, all issues of "invasion" and "Maidans" are abruptly removed from the agenda.
    If Belarus is an independent state, Russia, in principle, is not obliged to save it in case of anything.

    This is from where such conclusions came? Dreamed of? Switzerland and Austria are small states, and they have no oil


    From Belarusians: when you ask why you didn’t help us there, they didn’t get there: the standard answer is we small, we need to survive, we can not risk.

    Russia is a giant country
    Here you are about the same
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 29 February 2016 15: 57
      +8
      Until Russia itself tidies up its home, it does not need to call neighbors to this house to create a family. As long as the Medvedevs, Dvorkovichi, Chubais, etc. are in power, it is unlikely that there will be order ... Russia is not attractive to its neighbors, unlike distant Switzerland with its cheese, watches and banks.

      The situation in Belarus is grave and dead-end. Devastation sets in. "Devastation is not in the closets ... Devastation in the heads" (c).
    2. avt
      avt 29 February 2016 16: 41
      -4
      Quote: Olezhek
      Example - Russia orders a large batch of products at the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant for the Russian Armed Forces.
      And dad at the last moment gets into a pose ...
      So what? What to carry rockets? Conclusion - do not order in Belarus, do not order important things there IN GENERAL
      and thousands, tens of thousands of Belarusians are losing their jobs.

      But there’s a funnier example - a cartel conspiracy is being created for the sale of potassium, which, like Gazprom, is everything Belarusian in Russia, while a sales office is being molded in Belarus (by itself and somehow without supervision of Butsky himself, who is watching the topic wassat ) and somehow especially in the social "Belarusian" economy they do not strain from bottom to top and back that they work with disgusting Russian oligarchs from Uralkali. But the prices for potash collapsed, moreover, they predicted and warned But father, but he still demanded the proceeds in the same scale at least. Again, somehow, through the office opened in Belarus, which we will assume was not controlled by Butler, potassium merged and there was a couple of hundred dollars worth of money for him. Where the Russian businessmen asked - "What about us? We're together like that." ..cartelly, I ought to send it. "But father was terribly excited and invited, officially through the embassy, ​​the leadership .... to prison, Baumgarten arrived alone. Do you remember how everyone got excited about the" sovereign "Father and the oligarchs thieves? laughing Without understanding who stole the baton from whom. "Uralkali", well, the buznyusyuki who held him said that they would go Batska with his fur cartel inside, and now every man for himself. But father didn't break off and shouted Grygorych into the TV camera terribly. laughing Thank you, tell VVP - the situation was sorted out, and even it seems like the owner of Uralkali has changed to everyone's comfort.
      1. No login
        No login 29 February 2016 19: 41
        +3
        And this Baumgartner once drove Maybach to Lukashenka. "For gait and eyes, and for being a combiner."
      2. Kar Karych
        Kar Karych 29 February 2016 20: 27
        +1
        It’s cool, I’ve written, just a whole problem, Mom, don’t worry, your Uralkali, like a trailer, came to us with your quality of fertilizers all over the world, you could go to Baumgarten, and Putin asked him, “Uralkali” he wanted to scoop, well, what did they do and then the miners of the same "Uralkali" started yelling about the chudo guard, they got it, our Russian oligarchs told us to extract, they make nichrome not pay and make them live like a pig, and your fellows bought fertilizers at bargain prices under the agreement of the allied states and your slag interfered with our product profit in korman and local hard workers shish under the nose, that's the whole story!
        1. avt
          avt 29 February 2016 21: 49
          -2
          Quote: Kar Karych
          "Uralkali" as a trailer came to us with your quality

          It was, but not with quality, for sale at prices agreed upon by the cartel through
          Quote: avt
          at the same time, a sales office in Belarus is molded (by itself and somehow it’s probably without the supervision of Butsky himself, who guards the topic

          Quote: Kar Karych
          and it was Putin who asked to eat Baumgarten, "Uralkali"

          They sat on the phone and heard? wassat
          Quote: Kar Karych
          the miners of the same "Uralkali" began to yell, they got it, they say our Russian oligarchs to mine, they make nichrome not pay and they make us live like a pig,

          laughing ,, The old song about the main thing, "a straight groan went all over the great Russia and reached Batski's ears and he decided ... Only why did the song of songs begin
          Quote: avt
          . But potassium prices collapsed, moreover they predicted and warned Father But,

          ??? No answer, as on
          Quote: avt
          , but yen was still demanding revenue on a previous scale at least. Again, somehow, through the office opened in Belarus, which we will not consider to be Batsk’s control, potassium merged and there was money for it for a couple hundred dollars

          Only now, suddenly, "everyone saw the light and saw the grin of Russian oligarchs interfering with their lousy potassium with pure as a tear from the Belarusian economic miracle
          Quote: Kar Karych
          and your fellows bought fertilizers at bargain prices under an agreement of the union states and your slag interfered with your product’s profit with our product and the local hard workers got a damn, that's the whole story!

          Yes, Butska mustache was a time when potassium was full of vileness, lying on the stove and not blowing, and then suddenly Aki Ilya Muromets began to see and hurried with a report, but not to Kiev, but to Moscow, carrying Baumgarten not the nightingale, but reprisal laughing laughing One word - a special bogatyr - a defender of the poor here and on every kilometer of the Minsk highway to Moscow. Well, the GDP is evidently the case, as a native of the “Gangster Petersburg” - squeezed out “Uralkali” By the way - who still has potassium for a few hundred dollars through the Belarusian office, while Father was lying on the stove, stole it ?? On the stock exchange, ours were probably dropped in response, well, judging by the fact that they got excited at them and VVP really had to move them out of business.
  25. No login
    No login 29 February 2016 13: 42
    +1
    Quote: Olezhek
    but I see no other options besides the full economic integration of Belarus into Russia

    For me, your words are offensive. And to join (for some reason) Russia due to the fact that Belarusian goods are not needed in Europe is (I understand, opinion is subjective) absurd. It is necessary to make goods so that they are in demand and competitive, and not continue to make g.no. And to sell it all to Russia and the undeveloped countries of Asia and Africa. We need power for people, not against people. The laws are honest, for people, not for power. That fell into the ruble, why not Russia join the United States? Or to Indonesia ... The logic, I assure you, is the same.
    Quote: Olezhek
    options, in addition to the full economic integration of Belarus in Russia I do not see point blank

    And it has long been integrated.
    Quote: Olezhek
    If Belarus is an independent state, Russia, in principle, is not obliged to save it in case of anything.

    I agree with you. Russia has its own citizens who need to be saved from the Maidan and the invasion. There are a lot of their problems. And money is needed here and now. And such lads as Lukashenko and Kadyrov (etc.) suck money from Russia, i.e. withdraw from your wallets.
    And from what to save the Blarus? And what kind of invasion are you talking about?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 29 February 2016 14: 01
      +1
      Belarusians are our brothers both in blood and in mentality, and whatever happens in interstate relations between us, we are simply doomed to be together.
      We need to "hold on to this country with both hands" and not in any way prevent the coming to power in it of the US proteges of Israel, the EU, deeply hostile to us.
  26. Belarus
    Belarus 29 February 2016 13: 59
    +8
    I will comment on this article as a joke:
    Belarus will join the EU and NATO partisan detachment and destroy them from the inside.
  27. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 29 February 2016 14: 44
    0
    What to say. BOLLTUNES.
  28. VB
    VB 29 February 2016 15: 12
    -2
    If the country is called Belaya Rus, then why is there a government and a president, Moscow will have enough, and if Belarus, then this is an anti-Russian project, and sooner or later, we will see how the "dad" will betray us, which more than once, though in little things like , It was. So the same, as well as Little Russia, or the province, or Banderstadt. There is no third.
    1. No login
      No login 29 February 2016 19: 29
      +5
      And what do you dislike about Russia as part of Belarus? Lukashenko will share the money with you from the sale of oil, in the cities he will sweep, remove, build roads. Why do you hate us so much good ?
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 1 March 2016 00: 58
        -2
        Quote: No login
        Why do you hate us so much

        Do not say nonsense.
        1. No login
          No login 1 March 2016 11: 59
          +2
          And I don’t say stupid things. You highlighted the difference between Belarus and the Russian Federation?
  29. Megatron
    Megatron 29 February 2016 15: 52
    +3
    I believe that the "union state" has been a run on the spot since its inception. At first, due to the fault of Yeltsin, who was afraid that his father would put forward his candidacy in the general elections, then the drunk would not have a single chance, no matter how rigged the elections.

    And now thanks to the father, who likes the fullness of his power.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 29 February 2016 16: 24
      +2
      Father even then needed the fullness of power. The Moscow ilita did not agree to organize an even larger collective farm and join there in friendly ranks. Now Old Man does not want to share his living space and participate in a Swedish family (there not only you, but you can also), he wants his own harem where you can fuck everyone.
  30. South Ural
    South Ural 29 February 2016 16: 26
    +3
    unfortunately, in fact, the union state is only on paper ...
  31. vladmort
    vladmort 29 February 2016 17: 38
    -1
    Quote: black
    The third day I talk with Belarusians in networks. Expansion from Russophobian nationalist to Soviet rainbow. The average salary in Belarus was discussed as follows. The opponent wrote me the answers and immediately deleted. In short, it's bad there now. The people in places are bullied. Old Man is more concerned about his own power. Army funding is not growing. They hope to modernize at the expense of the union state. Consider your air defense not. The nuthouse is the other way around. The director has megalomania, and the whole country is being treated.


    To make everything clear, with Belarus, I am enclosing a comparison of the budgets of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus for 2015.
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/935/qhsf108.jpg

    I hope everything is clear with this "temporary historical misunderstanding"?
  32. ship
    ship 29 February 2016 19: 01
    +4
    Trust in Lukashenka has diminished in Belarus. There is no adequate replacement for him now. Madame Korotkevich, for example, will turn Belarus in a western direction, especially since thanks to the efforts of Alexander Grigorievich, the number of such citizens has grown significantly. It is difficult to predict what will happen in 5-10 years. If Russia does not have an order comparable to the Belarusian one, the union state will become, well, very "paper-based".
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  34. serverny
    serverny 29 February 2016 19: 29
    +4
    Quote: Konstantin Yu.
    sell fish to Russia and pull orders from our PCs

    You will probably protect the almost raider seizures of Belarusian enterprises by your oligarchs with the full political support of the government and blackmail at the Kremlin level.
    Chauvinism is a convenient "disease", logs are no longer a problem.
  35. serverny
    serverny 29 February 2016 19: 36
    +4
    The usual set of comments for a "patriotic resource" - most of all pluses are collected by the most chauvinistic and humiliating statements of Belarusians.

    Right way, comrades!
    Only then do not be surprised why more and more Belarusians begin to believe that we are not on our way - you draw much more for such conclusions than any "pro-Western propaganda of Lukashenko TV" that only you see without watching the state media.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 29 February 2016 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: serverny
      The usual set of comments for a "patriotic resource" - most of all pluses are collected by the most chauvinistic and humiliating statements of Belarusians.

      Right way, comrades!
      Only then do not be surprised why more and more Belarusians begin to believe that we are not on our way - you draw much more for such conclusions than any "pro-Western propaganda of Lukashenko TV" that only you see without watching the state media.

      And you know, I will podderzhu.Any lovers of "tough conversations" have already got it. Well, not in those Russia conditions, that would tell everyone what and how to do.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 29 February 2016 22: 06
        -4
        No you can kaneshna in a Western way: first, honey words in the ears and then a knife in the back ..
        If that suits you, go there.
  36. bed111
    bed111 29 February 2016 21: 08
    +3
    Quote: serverny
    The usual set of comments for a "patriotic resource" - most of all pluses are collected by the most chauvinistic and humiliating statements of Belarusians.


    Fortunately, the leadership of Russia is far more intelligent than the local ambitious guardians of the purity of relations. Therefore, and only because of Belarus in the Union with Russia. And it is the Russian authorities who see Belarus as a friendly state. And what is written here is not important. The opinion of local regulars in matters of international politics really means a little less than nothing.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 29 February 2016 21: 32
      +4
      Quote: bed111
      Quote: serverny
      The usual set of comments for a "patriotic resource" - most of all pluses are collected by the most chauvinistic and humiliating statements of Belarusians.


      Fortunately, the leadership of Russia is far more intelligent than the local ambitious guardians of the purity of relations. Therefore, and only because of Belarus in the Union with Russia. And it is the Russian authorities who see Belarus as a friendly state. And what is written here is not important. The opinion of local regulars in matters of international politics really means a little less than nothing.

      Edward, I am very glad that there are still people who understand that they are not being carried on for the propaganda of hatred between Belarus and Russia. And I will be even more happy if Belarusians can help Russians and Ukrainians reconcile.
  37. bed111
    bed111 29 February 2016 23: 17
    +2
    Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
    Edward, I am very glad that there are still people who understand that they are not being carried on for the propaganda of hatred between Belarus and Russia. And I will be even more happy if Belarusians can help Russians and Ukrainians reconcile.


    Our peoples should be together, there can not even be two opinions. A small forum of chauvinism - it usually comes from idleness, idleness in retirement or after a glass in the evening arises. From the desire to push out your own pimple, albeit on the forum. Fortunately, keyboard fighters will not have to make decisions. Their business is stomping buttons :-)
  38. vladmort
    vladmort 1 March 2016 00: 43
    -5
    Quote: brod
    Confidence in Lukashenko in Belarus diminished. He has no adequate replacement now


    Of course there is, Putin VV, comparing world-class politics with the creation of a collective farm is simply ridiculous.

    Quote: brod
    If Russia does not have an order comparable to the Belarusian one, the union state will become, well, very "paper-based".


    You probably laugh, why did I bring you the budgets of the Russian Federation and Belarus? In Russia, there is much more order and concern for citizens, at times.

    Quote: serverny
    You will probably protect the almost raider seizures of Belarusian enterprises by your oligarchs with the full political support of the government and blackmail at the Kremlin level.


    No Russian oligarchs do so much harm, and do not cost the people as much as an independent Belarus. And it doesn’t matter to Lukashenka this or any other bridle, having become a limitroph, you give yourself under the power of insignificants ...
    Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
    .In this case, the Soviet Union is bent, and they want again.


    The USSR bent on the opposite opposite, namely, having convinced the local farmers that they were separate nations with the right to self-determination. I am glad that now, having boiled in small-town degradation, some Ukrainians and Belarusians are starting to grow wiser.

    Quote: Sukhoy_T-50

    Edward, I am very glad that there are still people who understand that they are not being carried on for the propaganda of hatred between Belarus and Russia. And I will be even more happy if Belarusians can help Russians and Ukrainians reconcile.


    When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he becomes Russian, the same applies to Belarusians. There will be no trying on, fraternal peoples, etc., until the former Russians (Ukrainians and Belarusians) grow wiser. And when they grow wiser, no fraternal peoples will be needed, for we are the TRIEDE Russian people.
    1. No login
      No login 1 March 2016 12: 53
      +4
      There are people expressing an opinion. Reasonable and balanced, supported by facts. And there are posts like yours. From under the fence. You heroically brought some kind of filkin "temporary misunderstandings", after which everyone had to understand something. I can assume that you have never been to Belarus. I will explain this by the fact that there is a significant difference between living conditions in the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation. And not in favor of the Russian Federation. This is noticeable immediately after moving the state. borders. This will be confirmed by everyone who crossed it. I do not want to offend the Russians, but I saw it. And you can give me evidence in the form of pieces of paper with many zeros, the situation will not change from this. Every Belarusian knows how budget money is cut in Russia. This is shown to us by your NTV, RTR, ORT every day. And they also show the real standard of living in Russia. And leave all these fictions and historical misunderstandings to yourself, dear.
      Quote: vladmort
      I hope everything is clear with this "temporary historical misunderstanding"?


      Quote: vladmort
      Of course there is, Putin VV, comparing world-class politics with the creation of a collective farm is simply ridiculous.

      For me, he is the same rogue and enemy of his people as our collective farmer. I agree only that the level is larger. And the speech is folding. good
      Quote: vladmort
      You probably laugh, why did I bring you the budgets of the Russian Federation and Belarus? In Russia, there is much more order and concern for citizens, at times.

      Barking from under the fence. We saw these times. Have you ever gone beyond the borders of your area? Everything is relative. And you just to blurt out.
      Quote: vladmort
      The USSR bent on the opposite opposite, namely, having convinced the local farmers that they were separate nations with the right to self-determination. I am glad that now, having boiled in small-town degradation, some Ukrainians and Belarusians are starting to grow wiser.

      Quote: vladmort
      When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he becomes Russian, the same applies to Belarusians. There will be no trying on, fraternal peoples, etc., until the former Russians (Ukrainians and Belarusians) grow wiser. And when they grow wiser, no fraternal peoples will be needed, for we are the TRIEDE Russian people.

      Verbal feces. Who do you think you are? There will be no reconciliation until you get smarter. Until the standard of living in Russia becomes acceptable for citizens of the Russian Federation. Until the arbitrariness of the authorities, courts, police, etc. You can, of course, give me an example of a fragment of some kind of brochure with official statistics from RosStat, about how to live well in Russia, we’ll laugh together.
      I am not against Russia, I am against what is happening in Russia. And against such citizens who carry just that.
  39. Sally
    Sally 1 March 2016 09: 01
    +1
    Quote: Sally
    Quote: Olezhek
    So you will be surprised, but at some point the guys from the North Caucasus really helped.
    It is a pity about the Belarusians can not say this ...

    Sorry, but the time has passed for the brother of the murder (except for individual Zmagors).

    And how to understand these disadvantages? Here dofiga not fought or what? If this continues, then in a couple of years, brothers, relatives, relatives, friends will wish each other's death on "left-wing reasons" (you think this will not affect you) and then kill. people what's going on with you ((?
    Explain
  40. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 1 March 2016 09: 47
    +2
    [quote = avt] [quote = Kar Karych]
    quot; By the way - so who is it all the same potassium for several hundred lyam $ through the Belarusian office, while Papa lay on the stove, stole it ?? Here, on the stock exchange, they probably omitted our response, well, judging by the fact that yak en was excited by them and the GDP really had to be moved from the business. [/ Quote]

    Yes, the answer to this matter is simple, we didn’t want to pay yours, but we established a channel, why Lukashenko couldn’t understand, punch the road with at least your slag to Canada and see.
  41. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 1 March 2016 15: 51
    +1
    Guys, Happy March 3!
    Good luck to Lukashenko and Putin!
  42. Rubon
    Rubon 3 March 2016 00: 09
    0
    Old Man - not eternal! laughing The most interesting in North. Moldova begins aposlya! hi