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Ramzan Kadyrov commented on the incident in the 16544 military unit (Borzoy, Chechen Republic)

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The network published a video of a mass brawl that occurred in one of the military units stationed in the Chechen Republic. On the video you can see that up to fifty people in military uniform participated in the scuffle. To stop the heated servicemen, shooting in the air was opened.




A few minutes after the start of the brawl, the situation in the 16544 military unit of the Borzoy settlement settled down. However, a couple of minutes of video was enough for the ultra-liberal media to announce that "the situation in the North Caucasus has become heated."

According to preliminary data, a scuffle arose from a domestic quarrel between two contract servicemen. After some time, part of the military attempted to intercede for one, part - for another. Despite the increased tone, none of the servicemen received any injuries as a result of the incident in Borzoy. According to Chechen officials, the incident between the servicemen was confirmed at the household level, although the initially mentioned ultra-liberal media attempted to declare that the reason was allegedly dissatisfaction with the presence of the military unit in Borzoy from local residents and some inter-ethnic friction. At the same time, the frames clearly show that no civilians participated in the brawl.

The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, commented on the events in the 16544 military unit in his Instagram (style saved):
In a military unit stationed near Borzoya, a fight broke out between several military personnel. She was frankly domestic in nature and had no relation to the performance of military duties. The conflict began with an incident that took place on February 23. One of the servicemen made a remark to another for pronounced obscene statements in the presence of a female cook. It grew into a showdown. The command of the unit did not settle the situation on time. It is reliably known that the talk about participation in the fray of civilians is not true. There is also no reason to say that the altercation has occurred on the basis of interethnic hostility. Some media and individuals come out with deliberately false comments, trying to present what happened as a conflict between Russians and Chechens. This is a fight between men, in which people of completely different nationalities participated, and not just Russians and Chechens. There is nothing surprising in this. Similar phenomena occur in any army in the world. We, together with representatives of the army command, took the necessary measures. And the degree of guilt of each will determine the competent authorities. I advise you not to try to politicize and inflate the ordinary case. The soldiers themselves have already understood each other and repent. The final word for the law, which must comply with all.


For your information:
Military unit 16544 - 8-I separate Guards Chertkovskaya motorized rifle brigade (mountain) to them. Marshal of Armored Forces M. E. Katukova. In the Borzoi deployed in the 2009 year.
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  1. Hubun
    Hubun 27 February 2016 08: 55
    47
    Liberals and "patriots" now grab onto this case. They will suck for a long time, however. And the command of the unit minus, especially the political commanders, the conflict matured for several days and did nothing
    1. MASK
      MASK 27 February 2016 09: 00
      17
      Quote: Hubun
      Liberals and "patriots" now grab onto this case. They will suck for a long time, however

      Of course, they clung to it ... (too much blood was shed to each other ..) I think the command will make the conclusions right and will punish harshly all participants in the conflict! It’s impossible for us to quarrel among the liberans, they clapped their hands in all the media ... (This has happened in principle before, but now it’s impossible!)
      1. Persistent
        Persistent 27 February 2016 09: 19
        41
        I grasped clearly for what ...

        Well, what a fig to advertise ?? ... The guys let out excess steam !!! ... He served in the late 70s in Baku. 80 RAP. The locals, at the call, began to fight against the Russians. "Makhach" was not frail, even the belts were used. The Hot Southern Boys calmed down for a long time after that. And the silence in the city, no screams, no insults in dismissal ...
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 27 February 2016 10: 04
          20
          Quote: Persistent
          I grasped clearly for what ...

          Well, what a fig to advertise ?? ... The guys let out excess steam !!! ... He served in the late 70s in Baku. 80 RAP. The locals, at the call, began to fight against the Russians. "Makhach" was not frail, even the belts were used. The Hot Southern Boys calmed down for a long time after that. And the silence in the city, no screams, no insults in dismissal ...



          I completely agree, it was more than once, then they continued to serve as usual

          If politicians do not inflate, there will be no consequences
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 27 February 2016 10: 37
            +7
            Fighting in the army is a common thing. This is instead of a psychological relief room.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 27 February 2016 14: 28
              10
              If without serious consequences, then yes. He served 96-98 himself, and there was also a case ... It all began because of nonsense: who listens to what kind of music (rap - feces, pop-sucks, etc.), and the call went to the call. I myself did not notice how I found myself in the thick of things. The "event" passed without any special consequences (a couple of teeth, a few bruises on everyone), and later the "lip" reconciled everyone, the battalion commander broke in especially zealous for 7 days, plus the company commander added three ... After a couple of weeks everything was forgotten. It happens.
            2. Hon
              Hon 27 February 2016 16: 00
              +3
              It seems to be alleged that civilians did not participate, I wonder, those who are in civilian clothes are also military personnel?
            3. co-creator
              co-creator 27 February 2016 17: 52
              -2
              Quote: Mahmut
              Fighting in the army is a common thing. This is instead of a psychological relief room.

              With what then did Kadyrov intervene if this is an ordinary fight? That is, the military themselves could not resolve this conflict and had to ask Kadyrov? So it was an interethnic conflict, since the Czechs themselves would have settled everything between themselves.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 27 February 2016 18: 21
                +3
                Quotation: blooded man
                With what then did Kadyrov intervene if this is an ordinary fight? That is, the military themselves could not resolve this conflict and had to ask Kadyrov?

                Did he intervene? As far as I understand, he gave a comment on the video posted on the network, and figured out the parts themselves.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 29 February 2016 07: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Did he intervene? As far as I understand, he gave a comment on the video posted on the network, and figured out the parts themselves.

                  Fig se. The military are silent and do not comment, and Kadyrov is aware of what happened there. How can this be? So he was told what happened for some reason.
              2. theadenter
                theadenter 27 February 2016 21: 31
                0
                Well, there were enough participants in the conflict for someone to arrange a bloody provocation and create dangerous conditions and food for the fifth column.
                Do you think it was not in the interests of management to reassure them?
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 29 February 2016 07: 09
                  0
                  If a simple fight then there is nothing to calm, but if on ethnic grounds, then another question.
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 27 February 2016 11: 49
          +5
          Quote: Persistent
          He served in the late 70s in Baku. 80 RAP

          Apparently deployed in the Salyan barracks, between Alekperov Street and the Prospect of Builders. He was there. drinks
          1. Persistent
            Persistent 27 February 2016 13: 49
            +1
            Apparently deployed in the Salyan barracks, between Alekperov Street and the Prospect of Builders. He was there.

            Exactly !! And around us were surrounded by other parts with red and black epaulets ...
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 27 February 2016 21: 47
              +4
              Quote: Persistent
              Exactly !! And around us were surrounded by other parts with red and black epaulets ...

              God forbid, I will give 60 MSD with its headquarters.
        3. Altona
          Altona 27 February 2016 13: 11
          13
          Quote: Persistent
          The locals, on appeal, began to greet the Russians.

          ----------------------
          The non-commissioned officers must be recruited from the Russians in the bulk and set apart in order to make their service distinctions higher than the clan ones. I served in Transcaucasia, it was practiced there. Our sergeant punished only the guilty, not just anyone. Regardless of any other factors, the sergeants themselves were aloof. And in the team it is necessary to keep "informal leaders" on the hook so that they do not think a lot about themselves. If possible, educate them as future sergeants in order to direct their alpha maleness in the right direction.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 27 February 2016 18: 23
            +4
            ISS should be only from professionals. Even if the army is draft, then sergeants must be contract soldiers.
            1. Seal
              Seal 27 February 2016 23: 45
              +1
              So this military unit 16544 seems to be completely contractual?
          2. Seal
            Seal 27 February 2016 23: 44
            0
            So this military unit 16544 seems to be completely contractual?
        4. just exp
          just exp 27 February 2016 13: 47
          +5
          then in Baku, this does not work with the chicha, they immediately begin to gather a crowd from the district.
          1. Altona
            Altona 27 February 2016 14: 08
            +3
            Quote: just explo
            then in Baku, this does not work with the chicha, they immediately begin to gather a crowd from the district.

            --------------------
            Not only them, I somehow got in touch with the Uzbek, about 20 people came in the evening. I was even surprised. But nothing grumbled and parted. Point them to their inferiority.
        5. ed24
          ed24 27 February 2016 17: 15
          +1
          And what, what time was cellular communication and mobile cameras? The time is different, and closing is simply not possible.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 February 2016 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: MASK
        I grasped clearly for what ..

        Zurab, do you respect men?
        Nat.
        Well, it came winked
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 27 February 2016 13: 44
        +1
        Quote: MASK
        It was clear that they clung to it ... (too much blood was shed to each other ..)

        Where are such conclusions from? In the army, nobody cares about such things ... there is subordination and charter.
        Or do you have something to confirm your words?
      4. Homo
        Homo 27 February 2016 14: 52
        +5
        Quote: MASK
        I grasped clearly for what ...

        I have no words! fool fool fool fool fool
      5. skeptic31
        skeptic31 27 February 2016 23: 42
        +8
        Strange comments. It seems that everyone is ready to justify anything on the site. It is especially interesting who are you going to punish? It seems that many people are not interested in the video. Discuss without looking. Meanwhile, everything is so clear that there are no questions. A large group of soldiers is walking along the road, it doesn’t matter where and where they are going from, when suddenly another large group is attacking them, for some reason armed with bats, shovels and traumatic pistols (in the army !!!). The attacking group elementarily beats the others who are trying to escape from them. There is simply no fight or brawl. A fight is when there is mutual participation, but here for some reason others forgot to grab the shanks from the shovels and injuries. So there is only the beating of some by others, and those who fell and lie on the ground are also beaten. Those. before us is just an attempt to rigidly show who is in the house, sorry in part, the owner. And what is most surprising is that the attackers were all like picking one nationality. You know which one. Part must be disbanded. Therefore, Kadyrov was worried. After all, very little time has passed since the Chechens were again drafted into the army. That's all. And then all the domestic fight, domestic fight.
      6. skeptic31
        skeptic31 27 February 2016 23: 57
        +3
        Strange comments. It seems that everyone is ready to justify anything on the site. It is especially interesting who are you going to punish? It seems that many people are not interested in the video. Discuss without looking. Meanwhile, everything is so clear that there are no questions. A large group of soldiers is walking along the road, it doesn’t matter where and where they are going from, when suddenly another large group is attacking them, for some reason armed with bats, shovels and traumatic pistols (in the army !!!). The attacking group elementarily beats the others who are trying to escape from them. There is simply no fight or brawl. A fight is when there is mutual participation, but here for some reason others forgot to grab the shanks from the shovels and injuries. So there is only the beating of some by others, and those who fell and lie on the ground are also beaten. Those. before us is just an attempt to rigidly show who is in the house, sorry in part, the owner. And what is most surprising is that the attackers were all like picking one nationality. You know which one. Part must be disbanded. Therefore, Kadyrov was worried. After all, very little time has passed since the Chechens were again drafted into the army. That's all. And then all the domestic fight, domestic fight.
    2. square
      square 27 February 2016 09: 07
      39
      Fight the fighters with marching throws (it helps to cool - I know for sure), and let the commanders in front as an example. To instigators on a neck and in order. Then forgive everyone and let go. Well, men fought, well, it happens. Well, we are not such a tolerant people, what can we do now? So it is for the better, tolerance for everything is indifference.
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        1. Viking
          Viking 27 February 2016 09: 31
          +3
          Where are the injuries and bats here? Very stupid stuffing. Does Matza's ear say that it turns out that the Russians are always to blame?
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 27 February 2016 09: 44
            +1
            mdaaa sad !! you judge everything by video! and you find out the details and then say it !! but about the fact that all Russians are to blame!? I say again, I saw all this mess, how such stories go!
            1. sanek45744
              sanek45744 27 February 2016 10: 35
              +1
              admin and for what deleted my record then at least tell !!!!! ??????
        2. square
          square 27 February 2016 09: 39
          18
          So you can’t swear at a woman, but can you fight? When I was growing up, we had banned women at the women (sorry for being rude, but it was said that way). You’re coming, escorting the girl in a strange yard, nobody will touch you, but when you go back, you will scoop up any one, then you didn’t touch the other. Proved means that this is serious. Well, and what happiness without difficulties? And if someone came to you at the girl’s place, they later punished him. And nothing, a couple of years later he went into the same courtyard, they found out, were even delighted, they recalled their youth.
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 27 February 2016 09: 50
            +1
            it’s not the point already !! there were no arrows there. the little boys really covered ((((as I know one made a remark to the other, came out the Russian came out victorious! well and then the carousel !!
            1. square
              square 27 February 2016 10: 04
              +6
              Go to any village club, it will be the same, even if all the defendants are Slavs. There are two sides to any conflict. A comment can also be made in different ways, it can be loud, demonstrative, or it can be quietly so that only the person to whom you make this remark can hear you. With the second option, the chances that you will be heard many times more. But I was not there, not for me to judge. Stubborn narcissistic donkeys are everywhere, and there is always a chance for him to stumble. So at least shout, at least in a whisper, all that remains is to wave a hand or give in the ear. It all depends on the importance of the issue.
              1. Saratoga833
                Saratoga833 27 February 2016 15: 12
                +1
                Quote: square
                Stubborn narcissistic donkeys are everywhere, and there is always a chance for him to stumble.

                Inflated an elephant from a fly. And the liberoids have already tried to draw "very deep" conclusions.
      2. Altona
        Altona 27 February 2016 13: 13
        +3
        Quote: square
        To instigators on a neck and in order. Then forgive everyone and let go.

        ---------------------------
        But this is my friend you in vain. Up to 15 days guardhouse. A damp basement, half-cooked cereal and rough cruel convoy. Very quickly, you know.
      3. Aksakal_07
        Aksakal_07 27 February 2016 18: 16
        +1
        And I would punish in the most severe way the vile video snitch and the video gossip, the thief who posted the video. What kind of woman’s habits went from men, especially from the military: just what, do they throw off their video complaints to the network ?! Indeed, in secret to the high society ...
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        1. Civil
          Civil 27 February 2016 09: 32
          -1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Quote: Civil
          Hero of Russia Kadyrov

          He is still an academician .... though he hasn’t finished school with the Russians, but this is nonsense .. compared to the third Chechen war)))))
          The cattle has a short memory. They are ready to kiss him on the spot, they forgot how they cut the head of Russian dogs (s) and continue to cut ...


          And here is the 5th column pulled up .. it is difficult to be a liberalist?
          1. square
            square 27 February 2016 09: 42
            +6
            Well, why the fifth column, maybe a person’s personal?
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 27 February 2016 09: 44
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: Civil
            And here is the 5th column pulled up

            So leave you alone, put cotton on everything lol
            PS Look less duroscope and the brain wakes up ...
            1. Chisayna
              Chisayna 27 February 2016 13: 20
              -1
              Yes, you’re right, the ones you loved so much flicker constantly in the duroscope ... There is nothing to watch the duroscope.
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 27 February 2016 16: 58
                -3
                Quote: Chisain
                so beloved by you

                Go taiga Goblin ....
          3. Rarog
            Rarog 27 February 2016 09: 48
            38
            And that all who do not close their eyes to how the Caucasians behave towards the Russians, all who have not forgotten that throughout the history of our relationship they did not miss the chance to stab in the back, do you think the fifth column ?! With this logic, and Grandfather Ermolov and thousands of Russian soldiers and officers (Lermontov for example), Cossacks, who defended civilians in the Caucasus, even though Georgians, Armenians, Ossetians, Russians for more than a century - white-bellies and traitors to the motherland!?! How soon you hang tags on people.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 27 February 2016 09: 53
              +7
              Quote: Rarog
              For more than one century Russians have been white-bellies and traitors to the motherland!?! How soon you hang tags on people.

              Now the trend is someone who does not agree with the delirium that the Kremlin broadcasts the fifth column through a duroscope, many even do not know the history of its occurrence ....
              the president and the prime minister, too, seem to be liberalists - such is the thing, however))))))))))
            2. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 27 February 2016 11: 19
              19
              Quote: Rarog
              how the Caucasians behave towards the Russians, all who have not forgotten that throughout the history of our relationship they did not miss the chance to stab in the back

              dedicated to Kadyrov's lovers)))
            3. Seal
              Seal 27 February 2016 23: 51
              +1
              That's just the revolution was made precisely by these Georgians and Armenians protected by us. Well, of course, that those who are the same .. were led.
              And the wild divisions and the Tekinsky convoy were the last to stop supporting Nicholas II in early 1917, and then the last to leave the front at the end of 1917.
              1. Rarog
                Rarog 28 February 2016 10: 45
                +2
                Quote: Seal
                That's just the revolution was made precisely by these Georgians and Armenians protected by us. Well, of course, that those who are the same .. were led.
                And the wild divisions and the Tekinsky convoy were the last to stop supporting Nicholas II in early 1917, and then the last to leave the front at the end of 1917.


                The revolution was made (first of all, led) by those who in the Russian Empire could achieve a high position only in extremely exceptional cases, those who were forbidden to live in large cities, those who hate Russians since the time of the Grand Duke Svyatoslav, those for whom the golden calf was, is and will be God - persons of "biblical" nationality. Almost until the mid-30s, up to 70% of Jews occupied the most important posts in Soviet Russia, this was especially true of the "power and economic bloc" (in the civil war, the "execution troikas" consisted almost 100% of them, and the victims of "sentences "These same" triplets "were close to 100% Russians). The “Georgians”, led by Stalin, were far from immediately able to sweep out the “God's chosen” from the state apparatus, and even then not completely. Moreover, even Stalin did not have enough will not only to stop the division of the single Russian People (their dream is such) into three "fraternal" ones (he severely slowed down Ukrainization), but to reverse the process ... even he did not dare to do this.

                And as for the "wild divisions", then all their "valor" they showed extremely remarkably on the civilians of the same Little Russia during the Civil War ... robbers "Old Man Makhno (there the data on the number of parties and the results of the battle are very entertaining).
          4. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 27 February 2016 10: 15
            12
            Quote: Civil
            And here is the 5th column pulled up .. it is difficult to be a liberalist?

            It’s better for you to ask Dmitry Anatolyich and Vladimir Vladimirovich
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 27 February 2016 11: 59
          19
          The cattle has a short memory. They are ready to kiss him on the spot, they forgot how they cut the head of Russian dogs (s) and continue to cut ...


          Kadyrov, of course, is not a hero of Russia. He slaughtered Russians during the first Chechnya, maybe he will be slaughtered during the third. Kadyrov, rather, is Putin’s hero and Russia is associated with GDP for him. Will GDP be the president of the United States, Kadyrov will become a patriot of America. I don’t know how the GDP took it; most likely, my father bequeathed to serve faithfully. But, nevertheless, GDP can be congratulated on such an acquisition. And it is not bad for all of us either that this barbarian is now on our side. Because such people can be either the worst enemies or the most devoted friends. So betrayal from him certainly will not. That, under capitalism, when everything is sold and bought, it’s already good.
          1. aiden
            aiden 27 February 2016 12: 23
            +1
            there is a similar example. what will happen if to a certain kid with other boys to hand a xiv a freelance employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and even issue letters of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. You can even show it on TV. I think this and took
        3. DPG
          DPG 27 February 2016 13: 20
          0
          How strange is your comment ??? It seems like you run into Chechens, but at the same time you call them Russian dogs, it seems like incitement. And the streamers should first of all be given horns for their actions.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 27 February 2016 17: 01
            -5
            Quote: DPG
            It seems like you run into Chechens but at the same time you call Russian dogs

            The icon (s) is put in order to show that the quote is not his but borrowed.
            Apparently you only ride a deer ?? tyrnet where did you get ???
            1. DPG
              DPG 28 February 2016 00: 51
              -1
              I understand that deleting your posts that you receive criticism is very correct and reasonable, and most importantly, honestly and so to say, it’s not at all piderastic. After all, this is precisely what is taught in the Geyropei and Mattress manuals, how to cover your tracks more carefully. But there is one thing, but I, though on a deer, but on my shoulder a faithful comrade. And it’s absolutely without a difference that the marshal or the more correct to say the lady in front of me, as soon as the substitutions and other LGBTony begin, I use it.
              And you, Mr. Chameleon, continue to further remove your rotten posts, if you do not have the courage and honor to be responsible for what has been said. And even more so, to give out what he said himself as someone else’s statement, otherwise he would not have deleted his rotten message that I commented on.
              On this I have the honor to bow, and I have neither the time nor the desire to continue the discussion. hi
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 27 February 2016 10: 20
      +3
      In general, the command should keep a finger on the pulse of the unit ... otherwise it will stink the whole world because of a trifle.
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    6. cap
      cap 27 February 2016 12: 09
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      Liberals and "patriots" now grab onto this case. They will suck for a long time, however. And the command of the unit minus, especially the political commanders, the conflict matured for several days and did nothing


      Everything is true in Kadyrov’s comment.
      On the video viewed twice, I did not notice signs of a fight between the military and local Chechens.
      In clashes of this kind, simple observers, especially in uniform, cannot be.
      Just because it does not happen in principle.
      1. Hon
        Hon 27 February 2016 16: 10
        +2
        So you haven’t seen people in civilian clothes?
    7. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 February 2016 19: 47
      -1
      In life, anything happens, sometimes it gets out such that only you are amazed.
    8. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 27 February 2016 23: 44
      +2
      there it’s not so simple — the discipline of the campaign is still — they even don’t react to the shots — they continue to fight — what to say about the voice command or the appearance of mess officers
  2. The black
    The black 27 February 2016 08: 55
    11
    There is nothing extraordinary in the video. Make a media fan out of an ordinary fight? This is boring, long known, and uninteresting. The scream was raised by the liberal media in which there are already "dozens of beaten half to death" ... And on the video, except for pea jackets thrown to the ground ...
  3. guzik007
    guzik007 27 February 2016 08: 56
    +4
    none of the servicemen received any injuries as a result of the Borzoi incident
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
    ----
    It seemed to me alone that not one body lay motionless on the ground?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 February 2016 09: 03
      +5
      Quote: guzik007
      It seemed to me alone that not one body lay motionless on the ground?

      Pea jackets.
    2. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 27 February 2016 09: 03
      +6
      I recommend looking more attentively from the very first second, and then "more than one body" will immediately turn into a dropped and "motionless" ... pea jacket. hi
      Then it will come out as in the first comment ...
    3. Viking
      Viking 27 February 2016 09: 33
      +7
      To one. In others, the eyes see exactly what they are shooting. Pea jackets are on the ground and you can see how they are being thrown off.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 27 February 2016 14: 53
        +2
        Quote: Viking
        Pea jackets are on the ground and you can see how they are being thrown off.

        Which is quite natural - you can't wave your hands too much in "special tailoring".
  4. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 27 February 2016 08: 57
    +8
    MoD today or tomorrow would raise the entire unit on alarm and send it to the field exercises. In the fresh air and in the performance of critical tasks there is no time to come up with mocking entertainments and beat each other's faces.
    And I would stop the call of the Chechens again, because even a handful of them, but proud ones, in the Russian environment act corruptingly.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 February 2016 09: 06
      +9
      Behind. Absolutely no objection. This "pride" should be cooked in its own cauldron. And then in life it turns out that for a Russian - an interjection, for a "hot guy" - a fatal, blood offense ...
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 27 February 2016 09: 13
        0
        Yes, MAT, great and powerful, in Russian villages it is one of the indigenous languages.
    2. Alexander S.
      Alexander S. 27 February 2016 09: 09
      0
      Well, what kind of Russian people is it that a handful can have a decaying effect on everyone?
    3. michell
      michell 27 February 2016 09: 10
      30
      Quote: mojohed2012
      And I would stop the call of the Chechens again,


      It’s not worth stopping the Chechens’s appeal, they just need to be sent outside the Caucasus, and no more than two people in the company, and in different platoons. In this situation, fighters are like fighters, no better and no worse than others.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 27 February 2016 12: 04
        +1
        It’s not worth stopping the Chechens’s appeal, they just need to be sent outside the Caucasus, and no more than two people in the company, and in different platoons.


        Of these, you need to create separate parts. Light infantry for raids, guerrilla warfare and human settlements defense, counterguerrilla operations. They would be very useful in Syria, I think that they are fighting there.
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 27 February 2016 15: 07
        +2
        Quote: michell
        In this situation, fighters are like fighters, no better and no worse than others.

        I agree. We had a boy, a Chechen (the only one for the whole unit). Moreover, not knowing the name and surname, I would never have thought that he was nokhcho. Quiet, humble, educated. Considering that he was a “son” to me, I even had to be taken under guardianship in order to protect him from “gods,” you know what the attitude towards Chechens was then. When I left for demobilization, he was already a sergeant. Later we corresponded. I know that he "finished" to the foreman, and then stayed on the contract.
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    5. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 27 February 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Quote: mojohed2012
      MoD today or tomorrow would raise the entire unit on alarm and send them to field exercises.

      to the Arctic? smile
  5. The black
    The black 27 February 2016 08: 59
    +4
    Quote: mojohed2012
    And I would stop the call of the Chechens again, because even a handful of them, but proud ones, in the Russian environment act corruptingly.

    In parts deployed in Chechnya up to 80% hp - Chechens .. smile
    1. SSR
      SSR 27 February 2016 09: 03
      +1
      Quote: Black
      Quote: mojohed2012
      And I would stop the call of the Chechens again, because even a handful of them, but proud ones, in the Russian environment act corruptingly.

      In parts deployed in Chechnya up to 80% hp - Chechens .. smile

      Where does this infa come from? There are simply restrictions / quotas on the call from Chechnya and Dagestan. Or is this specific part completed precisely from the resources of Chechnya?
      1. The black
        The black 27 February 2016 09: 08
        +5
        Where does this infa come from?
        Infa is from a classmate, he is a landfill in Chechnya. Almost a hundred percent of the contractors there are Chechens ... There are almost no contractors from other regions. By the way, we have the same thing .. smile
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 27 February 2016 09: 38
          +5
          Quote: Black
          Infa from a classmate, he is the WCP in Chechnya.

          Six years ago, he rode on the train in the same compartment with the contractor from Shatoy, half of the Czechs spoke, most of them didn’t even appear, they received money stupidly.
          1. The black
            The black 27 February 2016 09: 57
            +8
            Six years ago, he rode on the train in the same compartment with the contractor from Shatoy, half of the Czechs spoke, most of them didn’t even appear, they received money stupidly.
            Six years ago, Shoigu was not the Minister of Defense smile ... well, but seriously, maybe it was ... six years ago ... Now, given those material goods in the form of monetary allowance (and it is higher for those serving in the Caucasus than the rest) , housing, etc. nobody will endure the tricks of the contract soldiers. We have a lot of Caucasians in the units (I live in the Caucasus), but there are NO problems with the Russians (also local). Everyone is on the line. Perhaps a lot depends on the command of the units ...
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 27 February 2016 11: 26
              +1
              Quote: Black
              Perhaps a lot depends on the command of the units

              Everything always depends on the unit commanders. That is, no one is immune from accidents, but in general, the order depends on the officers.
    2. Viking
      Viking 27 February 2016 09: 37
      0
      Exactly. A very large part of the contractors there are locals. In addition, of course, narrow specialists. And with that, with the existing unemployment in the North Caucasus region, they hold on to the service.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 27 February 2016 11: 00
        0
        Quote: Viking
        And with that, with the existing unemployment in the North Caucasus region, they hold on to the service.

        I remember the media at one time "said" that for every conscript from Chechnya, the elders at the place of residence vouched. I don't know about the contractors.
    3. co-creator
      co-creator 27 February 2016 17: 38
      -2
      Quote: Black
      In parts deployed in Chechnya up to 80% hp - Chechens ..

      That's bullshit .
  6. Tungus
    Tungus 27 February 2016 09: 00
    +2
    Nothing wrong. The men fought and will always fight. House to house, yard to yard, platoon to platoon. For a better place in the sun, for a large piece of meat, just out of boredom. And because of women, they began to fight before humanity learned to speak.
    And then everything is open, wall to wall. Worse if at night all on one. It happens more often.
  7. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 27 February 2016 09: 01
    +5
    A fight is a fight. What is there to drag in politics.
  8. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 27 February 2016 09: 04
    +4
    When there was an emergency in Akhalkalaki in the seventies there were also mass fights but were of an ethnic character, Caucasians with Georgians.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 27 February 2016 09: 13
      -1
      Sorry for the tediousness, but Georgians also live in the Caucasus.
      1. The black
        The black 27 February 2016 09: 17
        +8
        Sorry for the tediousness, but Georgians also live in the Caucasus.
        ... Well, this is the view of a man living far from the Caucasus .... And here they think differently: the Caucasus are Caucasians, and the Georgians are Caucasians .. so Alexander put it quite correctly .. smile
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 27 February 2016 09: 20
          +1
          Then it will be more correct to say, Northern Caucasians and Transcaucasians.
          1. Marmarosh
            Marmarosh 27 February 2016 09: 31
            -1
            And if you look deep into the centuries with the help of Herodotus, it turns out that the Georgians are the remaining part of the once powerful Egyptian army that conquered these places.
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 27 February 2016 10: 19
      +1
      Do you mean Christians with Muslims?
      1. square
        square 27 February 2016 10: 25
        0
        And then neither one nor the other was.
        1. gozmosZh
          gozmosZh 27 February 2016 11: 17
          0
          atheists with atheists
  9. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 27 February 2016 09: 11
    +3
    It is necessary to nip quickly and punish the guilty regardless of their faces.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 27 February 2016 09: 30
      +4
      Right Given that 100% of the soldiers in Borzoi are double basses, it’s very easy and elementary to send the instigators to civilian to turn the wheel of the industry. The rest will quickly realize that fighting is not good!
  10. gozmos
    gozmos 27 February 2016 09: 23
    +1
    reminds shooting militants with komenty before sabotage))) Russian mat still appears ....
  11. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 27 February 2016 09: 23
    12
    I in Borzoi from 2005 to 2007 blew a lieutenant-starle, then back in 291 Guards. SMEs soldier At that time there was a company of the Chechen battalion "Vostok". What can I say, these guys are fucking animals, very arrogant and greyhounds.

    1. nemec55
      nemec55 27 February 2016 10: 35
      +6
      At that time there was a company of the Chechen battalion "Vostok". What can I say, these guys are fucking animals, very arrogant and greyhounds.

      I lived in Kazakhstan during the USSR, in our village there were all nationalities, but there were only animals.
    2. co-creator
      co-creator 27 February 2016 17: 42
      -2
      Quote: Galich Kos
      I in Borzoi from 2005 to 2007 trumpeted as a lieutenant-senior, then back in the 291st Guards. SMR At that time there was a company of the Chechen battalion "Vostok". What can I say, these guys are fucking animals, very arrogant and greyhounds.

      How many Russians are there by contract now, do you have data?
      1. Galich Kos
        Galich Kos 27 February 2016 18: 49
        +2
        In my time, there were 20-30 percent in the mouths of Caucasians soldiers. I don’t know what ratio (by Caucasians I mean Dagestanis, Ossetians, Ingushs). I will not say that between the Russians and the Caucasians there was some sort of enmity or conflict. Everything was fine, no problem. Of course they have their own chips on the account of mopping and other rubbish, but even then not everyone has it. For the most part, people were already quite mature, departing from youthful kiddie concepts and perceiving the surrounding reality quite adequately.
        Chechens in general were a separate unit, they had a PPD on the territory of the regiment. They walked like gopniks, it was disgusting to look at them. But the show off above the roof, nokhchi after all.
  12. Batia
    Batia 27 February 2016 09: 27
    +3
    The liberal press out of the ordinary sneeze will now inflate in the form of a global conflict. From personal experience (29 calendars in the SA), I have not seen a single military unit where they did not fight.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 27 February 2016 09: 34
      +5
      Fight, that's for sure. Especially scouts with infantry))) They show their Valor intelligence.
      1. alexmaneger
        alexmaneger 27 February 2016 10: 27
        +1
        I myself have served in intelligence and can confirm. Fights were in the dining room and on the parade ground.
      2. cap
        cap 27 February 2016 12: 20
        +1
        Quote: Galich Kos
        Fight, that's for sure. Especially scouts with infantry))) They show their Valor intelligence.


        If the units are in the same city, different types and branches of the army.
        It turns out a huge number of options, and everyone will be correct.
  13. friend of animals
    friend of animals 27 February 2016 09: 28
    +9
    The brother served in South Ossetia after famous events. Fights between Russians and Caucasians were constant. They went in to wash, and the batch began.

    The reconnaissance infantry also fought. Mainly due to the fact that intelligence had such a dedication for the young - to remove the belt from the spirit of the infantryman.

    But all this was usually open and without weapons. And such an attack of monkeys with reinforcement is bestiality.
    1. Esso
      Esso 27 February 2016 10: 30
      +7
      One of the versions: “... during lunch in the canteen, one of the Chechen fighters began to swear. We waited for the soldiers coming from supper together with the foreman and attacked them. 100 against 25 unarmed.
      We may not find out the truth. Although there are cases where Caucasians, losing by force, try to take revenge by number and bits and reinforcement.
      There will be a bunch of versions, the leadership of the conflict itself, because of what would it not happen, wants to hush up, since this is the direct responsibility of the command of the unit.
  14. ssp27
    ssp27 27 February 2016 09: 40
    14
    Marshal Ivan Khristoforovich Baghramyan is credited with the following phrase: “When less than 50% of the Russians remained in the division, I knew that the division needed to be disbanded.”
  15. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 27 February 2016 10: 09
    0
    They always fought, they fight and they will fight. And for various reasons. During military service in the USSR Armed Forces, I more or less seriously fought three times. For various reasons and with different appeals and nationalities. It’s just that now everyone has a phone with a video camera in their pocket and the opportunity to put it on public display. Previously, there was no such opportunity, and no one really knew anything.
  16. kenig1
    kenig1 27 February 2016 10: 14
    +1
    February 23 "Defender of the Fatherland Day", the anniversary of the deportation of the Chechens and Ingush, what is not the reason?
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 February 2016 10: 22
    -1
    Just think, the guys had a fight. Yes, we have to enter any village club, and invite a local beauty to dance - wow ... These are young guys, warriors, they train every day, again - there are no women in abundance, there is no place to dump excess testosterone. Well, the natural selection "for steepness" in young males has not been canceled ... But the authorities "screwed up" the situation. A couple of marches and unscheduled ones - radically helps ... By the way, IMHO, since the authorities did not react, therefore, such an incident is a rarity, if not the first.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 28 February 2016 00: 01
      +2
      I would say differently, the person said, "they walked like gopniks, it was disgusting to watch" - it means they walked and continued to walk and no one made comments, it was just disgusting, maybe they did not look therefore, so they got it
  18. semen777
    semen777 27 February 2016 10: 24
    +6
    It’s time to end long ago with the Soviet international, no political leader will affect international relations, especially after 2 wars. The Union had a different upbringing, different priorities, but conflicts happened all the time and no way out was found, they just kept quiet about it and did the view that everything is smooth, but as soon as the Union staggered, and everyone saw what it resulted in ...
  19. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 27 February 2016 10: 29
    +9
    The worst thing in the army is Babovism!
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 27 February 2016 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: Tim Coconuts
      The worst thing in the army is Babovism!

      )) This one in the wagon is a cobla?
    2. co-creator
      co-creator 27 February 2016 17: 47
      0
      where are these photos from? Cossacks or something.
  20. nemec55
    nemec55 27 February 2016 10: 29
    11
    One wanguyu will sit in a pre-trial detention center for inciting, etc., with the subsequent threat to thunder on another one in a mountain village of Mom’s mother’s place to crack pies until everyone settles down. So they both sit in different places and explain who and what surname and where they will sit don't think so.
  21. godun
    godun 27 February 2016 10: 39
    +7
    I agree with the statements that the Czechs behave arrogantly and greyhound, but if only they feel their strength, advantage, impunity, three on one warrior, in other cases everything ends with stern looks and menacing gestures. One acquaintance remarked to three young Czechs for disrespectful behavior, for which he received a pistol grip (according to witnesses) from behind on the back of his head, lost consciousness ... The police didn’t take a statement, they said that the guys were kind to a friend, but they could have killed ... I witnessed like two strong, Russians, guys, took to flight, molested in the subway to a girl of three ,, Caucasian warriors ,,. It is unlikely that these cases are single. And the thing is, in general, not in who is better and who is worse, but in the fact that we are very different and perceive the same thing in different ways.
  22. weksha50
    weksha50 27 February 2016 10: 40
    +7
    "none of the servicemen received any injuries as a result of the Borzoi incident"...

    And on pravda.ru (!!!) they write that several people with jaw fractures and one with intestines pierced by the armature are in the hospital ...

    Think about it: freedom of the press is good or bad ??? Whoever desires, he writes.
    In general, as always - read and analyze the information received and believe what is written between the lines ...

    And so, in general, yeah, a reason to inflate a new explosion of interethnic hatred is good, they could have inflated the "bubble" even more ...
    1. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 27 February 2016 12: 16
      +2
      Quote: weksha50
      And on pravda.ru (!!!) they write


      Preobrazhensky: If you care about your digestion, my good advice is not to talk about Bolshevism and medicine at dinner. And - God bless you - do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner.
      Bormental: Um ... But there are no others.
      Preobrazhensky: Don't read any. You know, I made 30 observations in my clinic. And what do you think? Patients who do not read newspapers feel great. Those whom I specially forced to read "Truth" - lost weight. [...] Not only that. Reduced knee reflexes, poor appetite, depressed mood.
  23. engineer74
    engineer74 27 February 2016 10: 43
    -11 qualifying.
    A shame, of course, but it happens ...
    Other questions arise: will non-worthy media be attracted for fomenting on the incident?
    And is it time to introduce restrictions on the use of gadgets with photo / video cameras in military units (and not only)?
    1. mr.grin19z
      mr.grin19z 27 February 2016 11: 46
      +1
      immediately did not serve
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 27 February 2016 12: 01
        -4
        Do you consider it necessary to lay out any incidents on the court of "democratic" society? Then you should go to Gorbachev with his "glamor"! I believe that such problems should be solved by the structure itself without washing dirty linen in public! It's a shame that any sneeze gets unnecessary publicity by those who should be silent about it!
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 27 February 2016 12: 40
          +4
          ! I believe that such problems should be solved by the structure itself without taking out dirty linen in public!

          Shooting at the caponier or something ???? laughing
          You hope you can guess that justice can be counted on in such situations only thanks to public opinion. Oh, how everyone loves to shut up and "such problems should be solved by the structure itself without washing dirty linen in public."
          So they can’t take dirty linen out of the hut until the first company arrives then the second
  24. rfv0304
    rfv0304 27 February 2016 11: 27
    +4
    When I served in Czechoslovakia, I served both Russians and Armenians and Georgians and Uzbeks and Chechens and Ingush, etc., but we were all RUSSIAN for the Czechs. And it is right!!! There are professions in the performance of which signs of nationality or gender seem to fade into the background. Judge for yourself: should a doctor be a man or a woman? the seller or driver bears equal responsibility before the law, etc. A real military man is a person who has one nationality - MILITARY!
    And listening to different liberals is simply stupid.
  25. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 27 February 2016 11: 45
    -2
    common thing need unloading stayed up
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 27 February 2016 12: 42
      +8
      common thing need unloading stayed up

      commonplace ept ????
      You b№;%? () No.; * :? How many years ,,,,,???
      The usual thing is when the armature goes into action and shoot ???? You No.?% "To Lavrov, he will tell you who you are
  26. black
    black 27 February 2016 12: 04
    -1
    Reason for scuffle worthy. Both on the lip and most importantly in one camera. The entire personnel of the brigade load combat training from eleven to eleven. On Saturday, PCBs until the end of the day. Sunday is a sports festival. A march on 25 km, to the OZK with full-time weapons, at the end of the crust of the graves of fallen comrades, for speed. The winning team gets the opportunity to return to the location, on foot and without gas masks. A sick and lame lecture on the dangers of venous diseases all day. Century barracks not to see, helps.
  27. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 27 February 2016 12: 40
    -1
    Probably everyone who served the emergency will say that fighting in the army is commonplace. What’s the army there, in any student dormitory as well. If you gather a lot of young guys in one place, then there will always be fans to wave their fists, but there will be more among Chechens.
  28. rus-5819
    rus-5819 27 February 2016 12: 42
    0
    Quote: Mahmut
    Fighting in the army is a common thing. This is instead of a psychological relief room.


    Not figs was to remove and lay out on the Internet. Wanted to become famous? Here are famous!
  29. From Samara
    From Samara 27 February 2016 14: 36
    -5
    Here it is imperative to plant the unit commander and his deputy for educational work! And that’s it! Do not touch anyone else!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 February 2016 14: 41
      +2
      Quote: From Samara
      Here it is necessary to imprison the commander of the unit and his deputy for educational work

      - fly away ... Do not be afraid that very soon the commanders of the units will become so ... a big deficit?

      Quote: From Samara
      And that’s it! Do not touch anyone else!

      - still fly away .. And the fighters that made a fight - do not touch ?? belay

      Summary: MDYA .. lol
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 27 February 2016 14: 47
        +1
        Fish always and everywhere rots from the head! In this case, the Commander with his deputy rotted specifically, His fighters in the unit had nothing to do ...

        Why put the Fighters who started a fight ... since there is no Power in the unit?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 27 February 2016 14: 58
          0
          Quote: From Samara
          Why put the Fighters who started a fight ... since there is no Power in the unit?

          They themselves served, let me ask?

          No, it’s clear that

          unoccupied fighter there is a potential criminal

          - of course it is wink

          Only now the soldier still has a lot of bosses, in addition to the unit commander .. and "occupying" the soldier is, in fact, their job, no?

          And you immediately - "unit commander, unit commander" .. you are strange .. IMHO
          1. From Samara
            From Samara 27 February 2016 15: 04
            0
            Strange just you. For me he answered that I did not serve ... Heh. I served in such parts where the Commanders were at the Level of God! Everyone ran along the line ... no one walked on foot in the location of the unit. The order was perfect. On the Guba, no one sat 2 times ...

            You were apparently out of luck, your commander was ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 27 February 2016 15: 25
              0
              Quote: From Samara
              I served in such parts where the Commanders were at the Level of God!

              Well, commanders - they are different ..

              Quote: From Samara
              Everyone ran along the line ... nobody walked in the location of the unit

              This, IMHO, is superfluous .. Although - I don’t know what kind of "such" parts are wink

              Quote: From Samara
              You were apparently out of luck, your commander was ...

              Don't touch my battalion commander angry
              1. From Samara
                From Samara 27 February 2016 15: 42
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                This, IMHO, is superfluous .. Although - I don’t know what kind of "such" parts are


                IN THE USSR...
  30. rus-5819
    rus-5819 27 February 2016 14: 52
    +2
    Quote: From Samara
    Here it is imperative to plant the unit commander and his deputy for educational work! And that’s it! Do not touch anyone else!


    Well, except for "imprisoning", there are no disciplinary sanctions?
    Of course, both the commander and the deputy. according to BP, they are responsible for the moral climate in the unit, but individual "individuals" who do not know how to restrain their emotions (or due to bad upbringing) deserve mutual punishment (and better collective).
    1. From Samara
      From Samara 27 February 2016 15: 12
      0
      For some individuals in my time there were excellent guardhouses and disbands ... The commander knew everything about everyone ...
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  32. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 27 February 2016 15: 33
    0
    in any republic during the conflict, many switch to nationalities. but this does not mean that in each republic there are only nationalists and extremists. why aggravate?
  33. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 27 February 2016 15: 39
    +4
    and where is this vaunted military police? created, invest, but no order !!! I saw such sleek people with bitten off faces as fly agarics in red berets in summer flocks walking in a mouline thread, they drive on brand-new Volkswagen. but where is the order that they should watch in the army?
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 27 February 2016 15: 42
      0
      These cold faces are afraid of the Chechens.
      1. junker
        junker 28 February 2016 05: 22
        0
        The point is not the fear of a conflict with the Chechens, but the fear of using force and that if something happens, the higher command will be afraid of a conflict with "Putin's foot soldiers" and "merge" the police.
    2. From Samara
      From Samara 27 February 2016 15: 44
      +1
      Here I will support. The created Police in Red Beretiks was noted so far by the Shmonaniya of our fighters on take-off in Syria ...
  34. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 27 February 2016 17: 18
    -2
    It would be strange that there were 100-200 people in the men's team and there were no conflicts ??? Mass character - so it spontaneously "beat ours".
  35. 4ekist
    4ekist 27 February 2016 18: 59
    +1
    Quote: Hubun
    Liberals and "patriots" now grab onto this case. They will suck for a long time, however. And the command of the unit minus, especially the political commanders, the conflict matured for several days and did nothing

    Contract soldiers (not conscripts) had a fight, so to punish in full, command also attract.
  36. afrikanez
    afrikanez 27 February 2016 19: 40
    -1
    Is it already impossible to shut up the mouth, these liberals? How much can you endure all sorts of dirty tricks from them. Find a council on them, once and for all. You would think that under the former rulers this was not the case.
  37. Orionvit
    Orionvit 27 February 2016 20: 41
    +1
    Quote: Karjala
    Resistant, you forgot to write how the history of the country in which you served ended. The USSR collapsed precisely on a national basis.

    Call things by their proper names. Not disintegrated, but destroyed. These are completely different things. On the other hand, there is no need to feed the parasite "fraternal" republics. True, there were the same but the subjects of the federation.
  38. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 27 February 2016 21: 02
    +1
    Despite the elevated tones, none of the soldiers received any injuries as a result of the Borzoi incident.
    Of course I didn’t. Despite the temperament of this people. All quickly resolved.
  39. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 28 February 2016 01: 01
    +4
    Kadyrov will not tell you anything else. Czechs will always fight with Russians. Wherever the Czechs penetrated, everyone had problems right away. Raise your sons with dignity, so as not to merge, but to fight back, rally and wet the Czechs, if that, they really do not like this thing.
  40. junker
    junker 28 February 2016 05: 14
    +3
    I wonder how the Russian guys serve there. Indeed, in any conflict with the locals, the Russian guy will be appointed.
  41. Nikolay82
    Nikolay82 28 February 2016 17: 46
    +2
    talked to people on the North Caucasian sites, their version.
    A Chechen in the dining room tried to skip the line, at that time there was a group of reconnaissance fighters. A Russian guy, a scout, dragged a Chechen a local cook to intervene for him, but they still beat him. After a day or two, there was almost an attack on the military unit, with the aim of punishing the scouts. The military personnel of this unit and local residents participated. As a result, a group of scouts of 8-10 people who started the conflict were severely beaten. That was the end of the matter and they began to beat everyone who served in the intelligence, including officers. According to their estimates, from 20 to 50 people were affected.
    Of course, there is no reason to believe them special, but the fact that this is not the way they want to show it for sure.
  42. kit-kat
    kit-kat 29 February 2016 09: 49
    +2
    Of course, the "everyday" conflict. As if we have others. It is downright disgusting to read. Silence of the problem will lead, in the end, to big trouble.