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Nine years ago - February 15 2007 - President Vladimir Putin appointed Anatoly Serdyukov Minister of Defense. Despite the fact that he left his post in 2012 because of the corruption scandal around the Oboronservis company, his name will always be associated with the beginning of a radical reform of the Russian armed forces.

The events of nine years ago are well remembered by the military to this day. On that day, around 10: 00 in the morning, a scheduled meeting of the Defense Ministry board was held, at which Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, together with the management of the department, reported on the work done and set tasks for the future. However, in 16: 00, the Deputy Ministers, the Commander-in-Chief of the branches of the armed forces and the commanders of the branches of the armed forces, and the heads of the services of the main and central departments of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff received an order to gather again. The first assumptions about the fact that the discussion will be about personnel changes in the leadership of the department appeared almost immediately, since Vladimir Putin planned to arrive at the re-assembled board of the Ministry of Defense - Putin last time was such confusion in March 2001, when the head of the military department instead of Marshal Igor Sergeev Sergey Ivanov was appointed. A number of high-ranking military officers, contrary to tradition, began to congratulate in advance the Chief of the General Staff, Yuri Baluyevsky, on his appointment as minister - he, a career officer in the rank of army general, was considered the main candidate for this position. Fifteen minutes before the start of the second day of the board meeting on the sidelines, the new name for the military ear, Serdyukov, sounded. The officers began to speculate about who this is: it even reached the point that the governor of the Leningrad Region Valery Serdyukov became a candidate for the ministerial post. But soon Vladimir Putin, Sergey Ivanov and Serdyukov entered the hall, but not Valery, but Anatoly. Until that day, he was not at all the governor, but the head of the Federal Tax Service.

Putin explained the meaning of such a change quite simply: huge funds for rearmament come to the department, the flow of which must be controlled, and it would be easier for a person with relevant experience, that is, Serdyukov. Sergei Ivanov, who combined the posts of minister and deputy prime minister for the military-industrial complex, went up for promotion — he became the first deputy prime minister in the government of Mikhail Fradkov, equaling his status with Dmitry Medvedev.

Almost a year from Anatoly Serdyukov went to revise the inheritance, the formation of the team and the alignment of the central apparatus. It became clear that the minister was appointed not only to control financial flows, but also to give the army a fundamentally new look, providing for the transition from the Soviet system to close to Western standards. It was easier for him, as a person not connected with military traditions, to carry out this thankless job than to a staff officer. After the war with Georgia in August 2008, which actually exposed the weaknesses of the Russian army, Serdyukov was given a blank check to carry out any necessary changes, both in the provision of the armed forces and in the armed forces themselves.

During the time he spent at the head of the Defense Ministry, Anatoly Serdyukov was remembered for his rigidity in making decisions within the department

The Ministry of Defense began building two trunks: civil (financial, economic, social issues) headed by Anatoly Serdyukov and the military (command and control bodies) with Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov, who replaced General Baluyevsky. All steps were aimed at optimization. Thus, the number of military personnel was reduced to 1 million people (but at the same time all units and military units were assigned the category of permanent readiness); of the 355, thousands of officers left about 220 thousand, the institutions of midshipmen and ensigns, as well as parallel units, staffed exclusively from conscripts or contract soldiers, were completely abolished.

Instead of six military districts, four enlarged ones were formed (Western, Southern, Central and Eastern): each was assigned a strategic direction so that in a critical situation his command could unite and take control over all types and branches of troops stationed on its territory. The military command system was reduced to three units: a unified strategic command — operational command — a brigade. The functions of the main commanders were significantly curtailed: from the previous 20 tasks they were left with only five, for example, conducting peacekeeping missions. The ground forces eliminated the system of cadre (not fully manned, but waiting for the mobilization of the population) units, all of which were transferred to a more compact and mobile brigade base. All the armies, corps, divisions and air regiments were abolished in the air force; they were replaced by a system of airbases, air groups and squadrons with the commands above them. Fleet forces were incorporated into the formed military districts. All this was accompanied by the growth of exercises both local and large-scale: with the transfer of troops and equipment over long distances.


Under Sergei Shoigu, the headquarters of combat training was re-established, liquidated by his predecessor
Photo: Anatoly Zhdanov, Kommersant


The structure of the General Staff also underwent changes, as a result of which it became a full-fledged strategic planning body. Functions related to the maintenance of equipment, the maintenance of military camps, food, trade and consumer services, were outsourced to the holding Oboronservis. Since then, servicemen should have been engaged exclusively in combat training, without being distracted by the performance of unusual tasks. According to the source "Vlasti" in the General Staff, the reform of Serdyukov created a fairly solid foundation, which after his dismissal did not make sense to destroy to the ground: "The government has repeatedly said that the reform justified itself more than not."

During the time he spent at the head of the Ministry of Defense, Anatoly Serdyukov remembered for his rigidity in making decisions within the department. He was rather cool about the generals; in his entourage, officers were jokingly called green men - he preferred to rely on people from the tax authorities, whom he had brought to the Ministry of Defense, to solve many issues. However, incidents arose with them: having diverged in their views on the expenditure of funds allocated under the state defense order, Serdyukov dismissed his deputy in finance, Mikhail Mokretsov, whom he knew from joint work in tax authorities and who was considered his friend.

With other departments and cabinet ministers, things were no better: in five years, Anatoly Serdyukov fell out with everyone he could. So, instead of himself, he sent to the meetings to the vice-premier for the defense complex Sergey Ivanov, not even his deputies, but heads of specialized departments. With Dmitry Rogozin, who replaced Ivanov, he was in conflict because of the desire to acquire military products abroad, in particular Iveco LMV-65 armored cars and Mistral type helicopter carriers. Problems with security officials arose for a variety of reasons: the minister chose not to respond to ideas about the elimination of violations of the chief military prosecutor Sergei Fridinsky, as well as the statements of the head of the Accounts Chamber, Sergey Stepashin. And having ignited the idea of ​​creating a military police, he encroached on the powers of the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Investigative Committee. The FSB also reacted nervously to this: they considered that the creation of such a powerful intelligence service inside the Defense Ministry would make it difficult for military counterintelligence to work in the army. In addition, it was under Serdyukov’s patronage that his assistant, Sergei Korolev, was assigned to the FSB’s own security department, which the security officers regarded as interfering with their activities. The conflict with the Ministry of Finance over the amount of funds allocated for the rearmament of the army, was the reason for the resignation of Alexei Kudrin.

The defense-industrial complex, according to Rogozin, Serdyukov’s resignation "was simply applauded while standing," because it was during his leadership that the Defense Ministry led price wars to enterprises: he tried to force the industry, which was used to invest the initially overpriced cost, to practice this practice. This was constantly accompanied by scandals: the largest contracts with shipbuilders worth more than 280 billion rubles. were concluded only in November 2011, and those after the direct intervention of Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin, who was in charge of shipbuilding at that time, and Vladimir Putin personally. Difficult relations were with the head of the Rostec state corporation, Sergey Chemezov: the reason for this was Serdyukov’s attempt to make a Mistral deal without the participation of the state intermediary in Rosoboronexport, as well as his desire to subordinate this company to the Defense Ministry.

In this situation, the number of allies at the head of the Ministry of Defense was melting before our eyes. However, due to the fact that the reform of the army was in the active phase, and the minister was firmly associated with the accompanying negative, there was no talk about his resignation, despite the growing discontent. For her there should have been a weighty reason. This was the reason for the “Oboronservis case”. ”

At the end of 2012, the Main Military Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation opened a criminal case on the facts of abuses when selling property and assets of the military department at deliberately low prices, which, according to investigators, caused damage of at least 3 billion rubles. The main person involved in the case was Yevgenia Vasilyeva, head of the Department of Property Relations of the Ministry of Defense, close to the Minister, as well as former heads of companies who in one way or another participated in the sale of military property. After the first searches in the apartments of the defendants, questions from the investigation appeared by the time of Anatoly Serdyukov himself. 6 November 2012, he came to the Kremlin to meet with Vladimir Putin, after which he was relieved of his post.

On the same day, the governor of the Moscow region, Sergei Shoigu, was appointed the new minister of defense.

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Under Sergei Shoigu, the headquarters of combat training was re-established, liquidated by his predecessor
Photo: Anatoly Zhdanov, Kommersant [/ center]


The experts interviewed by Vlast are convinced that Sergei Shoigu has got a very good inheritance that he has managed to “polish” over the past years. Despite the fact that the new minister did not always evaluate his predecessor's activities positively (he criticized for reducing the number of military camps to 192 units, for the large amount of objects not commissioned for the Defense Ministry, for “price wars”), in 2013, Vladimir Putin urged him to improve the army "without constant rushing, without endless revisions of earlier decisions": "The overall strategic logic of the renewal of the armed forces remains unchanged." Since then, the process of creating full-fledged groups in all strategic areas has been completed, and a new unified command, the North, has appeared. The number of exercises, coupled with sudden checks, involving the transfer of military personnel, military equipment to unfamiliar training grounds, has increased several times. In addition, it was under Shoigu that the construction of the Russian military infrastructure in the Arctic began.

Despite the marked improvement in relations between the military and industry (this can be considered a merit of the Deputy Defense Minister for Armaments Yuri Borisov), the interaction is still based on the rules of the Ministry of Defense. In the meantime, the troops receive equipment and weapons purchased under the state armament program for 2011-2020, all 19 trillion rubles. for this he knocked out exactly Anatoly Serdyukov. The newest Su-30CM and Su-35 fighters currently participating in the Syrian operation, the C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, sea-based and ground-launched cruise missiles were all ordered by the predecessor of the current Minister of Defense. You can not underestimate the role of Serdyukov and in the operation to unite Crimea to Russia that unfolded in 2014, the preparation of the same "polite people" started already with him. According to Vlast, it was under Serdyukov that the department came up with the idea of ​​creating special operations forces - an analogue of the American "sea lions", a unit capable of carrying out tasks of particular importance both inside and outside the country.

With the current minister in the army, much has changed. For example, the combat training department, which was liquidated during the reform in 2009, was restored, the number of military acceptance staff was increased to 25 thousand, Shoigu revived medical, created sports and scientific companies, called for return to work in the department of dismissed officers, began to correct housing situation.

At the same time, there are still a lot of problems in the army. The successor of Oboronservis, the Garrison, is being reformed, but so far the military has failed to get rid of all unnecessary repair plants in the Aircraft Repair Department, Spetsremont and Remvooruzheniya. The only provider of housing and utility services was the initiative created by the Minister of State Housing and Communal Services, but there are occasional problems with arrears in payments for electricity and water.

The course chosen by Sergei Shoigu is largely a continuation of the reforms initiated by Anatoly Serdyukov

According to sources, "Power" in government agencies, given the successful actions of the Russian military in Syria, the country's leadership is satisfied with the activities of the last minister. In addition, since his appointment Sergei Shoigu occupies the first line in the popularity rating of ministers, than Anatoly Serdyukov could never boast. The new minister also managed to create a spiritual atmosphere in the team. It is said that before one of the meetings with Vladimir Putin, Shoigu entered the office, where the commanders-in-chief of the troops and the commanders of the branches of the troops were waiting for him. Everyone was ready to stand at attention, but he indicated with a gesture that he did not need to do this, and joined the conversation with his subordinates. And even told a joke. When Serdyukov this could not happen.

Against the background of an obvious economic crisis, Shoigu still manages to convince the White House not to cut spending on arms purchases, but it’s hard to imagine how long it’s enough. In the meantime, it is known that the adoption of a new ten-year state armaments program was postponed for the period after 2017, although initially it was supposed to come into force this year.

One way or another, the course chosen by Sergei Shoigu is in many ways a continuation of the reforms initiated by Anatoly Serdyukov. The latter spent five years on bringing the army to a "new look", did it with mistakes and shortcomings, but in the end the country received armed forces capable of withstanding modern threats. Dmitry Medvedev, during the presidency of which almost the entire term of work of the ex-defense minister fell, a few weeks after his resignation, in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper, said: “You can do nothing, but you can carry out transformations. Anatoly Serdyukov spent them.”
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2016 06: 05
    +8
    well, healthy ... a bit ... for a long time it did not stink you ... why remember? he doesn’t care, but infuriates us.
    1. Sensatus
      Sensatus 27 February 2016 06: 19
      22
      Why are you so right away? The author is trying to make a balanced analysis. And it is commendable. Because only black and white, personally, to be honest, I already got tired.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2016 06: 28
        23
        Quote: Sensatus
        Why are you so right away?
        The author is trying to make a balanced analysis. And it is commendable.
        Because only black and white, personally, to be honest, I already got tired.
        analysis? without mentioning the corruption component, and theft? what is this "analysis"? this is an attempt to once again wash the "black dog"!
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 27 February 2016 06: 44
          +3
          During the time he spent at the head of the Defense Ministry, Anatoly Serdyukov was remembered for his rigidity in making decisions within the department


          Especially in 2008. I don’t even know what to do and what to expect in the light of the constructed Yeltsin center:
          Yeltsin and Serdyukov -
          twin brothers
          who is more
          is mother story valuable?
          We say Serdyukov,
          mean -
          Yeltsin,
          We talk
          Yeltsin Center,
          mean -
          ??

          Almost according to Mayakovsky
          request
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 27 February 2016 07: 02
            29
            Despite the fact that in 2012 he left office due to the corruption scandal around the Oboronservis company, his name will always be associated with the beginning of a radical reform of the Russian armed forces.

            In fact, the phrase should read like this:

            Despite the fact that he led the beginning of a radical reform of the Russian armed forces, his name will always be associated with the corruption scandal around the Oboronservis company.
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 27 February 2016 15: 33
              0
              We have such "flip-flops" = like the mind can not understand Russia! drinks
            2. Giant thought
              Giant thought 27 February 2016 19: 54
              +5
              Serdyukov’s place exclusively on the prison bunk.
          2. Lieutenant Izhe
            Lieutenant Izhe 27 February 2016 12: 32
            +2
            We say Serdyukov,
            mean -
            Yeltsin

            Did Yeltsin appoint Tolika MO, and Dimon - Prezik and Prime Minister?
        2. Sensatus
          Sensatus 27 February 2016 06: 51
          +5
          In my opinion, the main crime of Serdyukov is incompetence. This is what you need to understand. And he has no more corruption than the rest. And here it is not necessary to deploy populism on Serdyukov, but to break the system.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 27 February 2016 08: 19
            12
            Quote: Sensatus
            And he has no more corruption than the rest.

            With this phrase you put on one board S.K.Shoygu and Stool. Now I propose to think carefully over what has been said!
            1. demo
              demo 27 February 2016 08: 58
              +2
              Maximalism is a sign of youth!
              Good to be young.
              Nothing confuses!
              Chop "off the shoulder"!
              Many forces, not enough experience!

              How are we? Not caught, not a thief.
              Is there really a person in our country who would not use his official position?

              If you think so, then thank God.
              But many, I hope, do not think so.

              And if regarding S.K.Shoigu, then probably he is an ordinary person, and nothing "human" is alien to him.

              But they did not stand on one board.
              Not even on one hectare.

              But regardless, he stole a billion, and used his opportunities on the ruble - is there a difference?
              Probably not.

              Our country is like that.
              As I sit in a chair, so let's drag.
              Or myself, or friends of relatives will attach.
              So we live, "feeding."
      2. aba
        aba 27 February 2016 06: 35
        25
        Why are you so right away?

        Personally, I do not believe that Mr. Bad turned out to be indispensable for carrying out reforms. That is, without Serdyukov, the Russian land became impoverished in reform and there was no one to carry it out?
        With whom of the current military did not speak, everyone is negative. And his attempts to buy heavy weapons abroad, I personally, as a former employee of the military-industrial complex, I consider treason. What this may turn into in the future, modern history has already shown.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 February 2016 08: 32
          +2
          Quote: aba
          attempts to buy heavy weapons abroad, I personally, as a former employee of the military-industrial complex, consider treason

          There is a firm belief that he would not have been allowed to do this. And this is 100% reliable information. But the fact that under this pretext he was buying individual samples of the latest weapons (military equipment) from our "incredible partners from NATA" - made it possible for our military-industrial complex to step forward. Example: the technology of large-scale (section-by-section) assembly of large NKs, worked out by our shipbuilders on the Mistral order, the supply of infrared equipment, parts of the RES.
          Probably the same purpose could be served by talk about "Lopards", nAPL pr212, armored car. I repeat: no one from the lobby would have allowed him to take contracts for the rearmament of the Army to foreign concerns.
        2. PKK
          PKK 27 February 2016 10: 06
          0
          Quote: aba

          With whom of the current military did not speak, everyone is negative. And his attempts to buy heavy weapons abroad, I personally, as a former employee of the military-industrial complex, I consider treason. What this may turn into in the future, modern history has already shown.

          Well, you can’t be so naive and have one crinkle. For example, if you need some kind of aggregate. You won’t go buy it, as in a store. You need to disguise the purchase, mask your interest. Buy in bulk and let the adversary puzzle where you problems. Buying technology is always useful, give impetus to our developer. Or all the same, here’s something bought and this is bad. Harm to our production?
      3. sub307
        sub307 27 February 2016 06: 37
        11
        This is for sure: "right away" it is too late, "right away" it was necessary to "think" ten years ago. Well, as you know - "after the dramas they don't wave their fists ...". However ..., for me personally - "deja vu" as in the song: "... we will destroy ... to the ground" (almost) ..., "and then, we ... will build! ...". The question "hangs": was it really not possible to "reform" somehow otherwise, without Vasileva and others like her?
        1. the polar
          the polar 27 February 2016 09: 28
          0
          Quote: sub307
          This is for sure: "right away" it is too late, "right away" it was necessary to "think" ten years ago. Well, as you know - "after the dramas they don't wave their fists ...". However ..., for me personally - "deja vu" as in the song: "... we will destroy ... to the ground" (almost) ..., "and then, we ... will build! ...". The question "hangs": was it really not possible to "reform" somehow otherwise, without Vasileva and others like her?

          Probably our "great leader Chingachguk", who finds such valuable cadres in the Petersburg garbage dumps, is sure that having reformed and not stolen, it is absolutely impossible to live.
      4. Aleksander
        Aleksander 27 February 2016 06: 48
        22
        Quote: Sensatus
        The author is trying to make a balanced analysis.

        Not analysis, but laudatory agitation for a tyrant, a thief and a lout. HOW can reform what you do not think a belmez? Based on what? Influx?
        With the arrival of Shoigu, all that was heard was that, that was recreated, the third was altered ("refereed" by Seryukov). How much does it cost?! But many things are already impossible to restore for any money - the same institute for the design of infrastructure for nuclear submarines is a unique bureau with the most unique specialists.
        Yes, even this "outsozing" (state money) - how will it show itself in a combat situation - civil servants and firms that will rush for combat units - to feed and maintain equipment? Etc.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 February 2016 08: 53
          +8
          Quote: Aleksander
          HOW can you reform something that you don’t think of a squirrel? Based on what? Influx?

          Not so simple. The fact is that this "Urfin Dzhus" (the leader of the blockheads - Volkov, "The Wizard of the Emerald City") was assigned a military expert in the person of NGSH Makarov. With his own vision of the problem of reforming the Armed Forces, which he put into the birdhouse Oorfene Juice.
          You can understand everything, forgive, but not his statement: "The main merit of the military reform is the departure from the mobilization system of preparing the Armed Forces, the country for war."
          Well, after this, the states could only accept the concept of an instant global strike! Which, by the way, they did. For this is the dream of all aggressors: in a general battle to break the enemy’s forces, and then dictate their will to the victim of aggression. Remember Napoleon, Hitler ...
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 27 February 2016 09: 10
            +1
            The fact is that this Urfin Jus : In my opinion, the comparison of the former defense minister with Urfin Djus is incorrect, there is simply nothing in common between them. By the way, the leader of the wooden army was not a stupid fellow.
          2. PKK
            PKK 27 February 2016 10: 22
            -4
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

            You can understand everything, forgive, but not his statement: "The main merit of the military reform is the departure from the mobilization system of preparing the Armed Forces, the country for war."
            Well, after this, the states could only accept the concept of an instant global strike! Which, by the way, they did. For this is the dream of all aggressors: in a general battle to break the enemy’s forces, and then dictate their will to the victim of aggression. Remember Napoleon, Hitler ...

            You confused politics with the military development. Well, politicians shouldn’t be trusted. For this they work to mislead all of you. Your naivety looks at this VO Resource, it is full of old hens with one crinkle in general ranks, pro-American trolls and those who receive education from TV screens. There are few explanatory ones.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 27 February 2016 20: 48
              +5
              Quote: PKK
              You confused politics with the military.
              Yes really! And I naively believed that
              "It is politics that determines the direction, goals and objectives of building the military organization of society," and not vice versa. Is not it? Then which of us is a "naive simpleton"?
              Quote: PKK
              Your naivety looks at this Resource VO ...
              In other words, you want to say that what I heard with my ears is nonsense of my sore imagination? And you think that there are a lot of people like me on this site, and they are all stupid half-educated ones?
              Well, where do people get such self-conceit that they are super-duper Einsteins, and they got the rest from the TLV screen?
              One thing I can take from you as self-criticism:
              Explanatory few.
              But all this smells of bad parenting!
          3. Aleksander
            Aleksander 27 February 2016 10: 27
            +5
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Not so simple. The fact is that this "Urfin Dzhusu" (the leader of the blockheads - Volkov, "The Wizard of the Emerald City") was assigned a military expert in the person of NGSH Makarov with his own vision of the problem of reforming the Armed Forces, which he and put in a birdhouse Oorfene Jusa.

            I think that you are shifting the emphasis somewhat. I came to MO "EFFECTIVE MANAGER"endowed with unlimited power, arrogant and not tolerating other people's opinions, thinking globally and on a large scale. Came with two common tasks-prove your effectiveness and grab. From this point of view, it is necessary to consider everything that happened.
            The first problem, I think, was solved as follows: Serdyukov summoned Makarov and said: “I don’t get into your business, do what you want, but so that costs are cut by 50%.” He did - on the one hand, what he saw and wanted, on the other hand, cutting off everything that is possible and must not. On the same principle — to cut costs, no matter what — schools (still imperial!), Airfields, and military units were reduced. I won’t be surprised if it turns out that they blindly poked pencils into the list of schools (except for those who have expensive land, this was not lucky initially).
            The second problem was solved in a completely different way - a thorough study of real estate and cash flows of the MO. This is how Moscow institutes, bases, etc. were sold, and this is how money "sucking" appeared (defense services and other firms).
            Both tasks are completed.
          4. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 27 February 2016 11: 39
            +8
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            "The main merit of the military reform is the departure from the mobilization system of preparing the Armed Forces, the country for war."

            Here it is!
            Another "independent" attempt to smear Serdyukov. Someone really can't wait to quickly return the "valuable employee" to the case.
            All the pros and cons of his leadership should be understood by specialists, but only for the destruction of the mobilization system the punishment is one-shot.
            As in that parable ... "He built a city and killed a child ... For a city-monument, for a child-for a stake"
            I doubt very much that now Serdyukov will wash off. Now he must be vitally interested so that the patriots do not come to power ...
            1. Alf
              Alf 27 February 2016 16: 48
              +5
              Quote: Barkhan
              Now he must be vitally interested so that the patriots would not come to power ...

              Not only he and not so much are interested in this, but the whole government in the first place, because they somehow do not want to do physical exercises in the freezing air.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 27 February 2016 21: 20
              +2
              Quote: Barkhan
              Here it is!

              Dear BAR KHAN! Do not, PLZ, be eclectic: do not grab phrases from other people's posts that are divorced from the meaning of what was said! do not ascribe to me the words of the former NGS! This was said by Mr. N. Makarov at the summing up of the results of the Airborne Force Base for the year ...
              Everyone knows that in the era of strategic nuclear forces, the "economy" is the target of the UBPS. Therefore, the fact that we will be able to work up to the day "D", so we will fight until the underground factories and workshops start working. But if they are not there, then there will be nothing to talk about. (Sushi paddles!)
              And dear NGSH, performing the task - "all unnecessary under the knife!" and for the sale, apparently considered that the mobilization of our industry is an extra waste of the country's resources, all the same, everything will be swept away by a "mighty hurricane." Here, in short, is the essence of the problem.
              And there is no second bottom. There is an alternative view of the problem of preparing a country for war, which won at a certain stage in the development of the country and its armed forces.
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 28 February 2016 11: 49
                +2
                Quote: BoA KAA
                Quote: Barkhan
                Here it is!

                Dear BAR KHAN! Do not, PLZ, be eclectic: do not grab phrases from other people's posts that are divorced from the meaning of what was said! do not ascribe to me the words of the former NGS! This was said by Mr. N. Makarov at the summing up of the results of the Airborne Force Base for the year ...
                Everyone knows that in the era of strategic nuclear forces, the "economy" is the target of the UBPS. Therefore, the fact that we will be able to work up to the day "D", so we will fight until the underground factories and workshops start working. But if they are not there, then there will be nothing to talk about. (Sushi paddles!)
                And dear NGSH, performing the task - "all unnecessary under the knife!" and for the sale, apparently considered that the mobilization of our industry is an extra waste of the country's resources, all the same, everything will be swept away by a "mighty hurricane." Here, in short, is the essence of the problem.
                And there is no second bottom. There is an alternative view of the problem of preparing a country for war, which won at a certain stage in the development of the country and its armed forces.

                Dear KAA Boa, regardless of your mentoring tone, I reserve the right to express myself and write as I please. As well as pull out phrases and discuss them in any way I want and in a way that adheres to the framework of the site’s rules of course.
                After rereading my post, I think that I expressed my thought quite clearly and unambiguously.
                What is the order to disband the cropped units, military educational institutions, the destruction of warehouses with millions of units of old small arms in storage. This is betrayal and treason.
                Well, the officers, warrant officers and midshipmen thrown out onto the street were definitely left grateful to the current authorities for the rest of their lives.
                It is very naive to believe that the NGS and Serdyukov acted without the knowledge of the president and prime minister.
      5. Very old
        Very old 27 February 2016 06: 59
        23
        I got another - how long will the enduring and very very vicious practice of the Soviet (and tsarist!) Times be applied - the movement of the scandalized Boyars from one feeding trough to another am

        Whoever wants to give the last name is ready.
        1. Very old
          Very old 27 February 2016 07: 13
          +6
          Here, take it "offhand" - Boss, GreF, Chubais Does this mean anything to you, mister with a minus?
          Examples before fig
      6. PKK
        PKK 27 February 2016 07: 00
        +1
        The author was ashamed to say the main thing. How much money was stolen and how much did the Army reach Serdyukov, and how much did the picture change?
        One way or another, but the course chosen by Sergei Shoigu is in many ways a continuation of the reforms initiated by Anatoly Serdyukov. The latter spent five years on bringing the army to a "new look", doing it with mistakes and shortcomings, but in the end the country received an armed force capable of withstanding modern threats.
        1. Very old
          Very old 27 February 2016 07: 38
          14
          PKK - YOU HAVE BEEN HAD TO SAY THE MAIN THING - PROGRESS IN THE Armed Forces is not his personal merit

          Maybe I'm wrong, but this opinion is not just me
          1. PKK
            PKK 27 February 2016 10: 00
            -10 qualifying.
            Yes, Old Deer! A breakthrough in the financing of the Army is not only Serdyukov’s personal merit, but your merit is the same, dear deer is seen in this process. Learn the materiel, read the policy from professional analysts, then you won’t swim in such simple questions It’s clear that Serdyukov laid the foundation for our victories in the Crimea, Syria, Navy and Aviation. Or did Kuzhugetovich do all this in the first year of his command? Compare the time needed for all work on building the aircraft and the time of Shoigu. Nikak Kuzhugetovich did not have time, for the year to do everything. The crowd in us is accustomed to make mistakes, since the days of the USSR, Gorbachev. So you suggest that I think like a crowd? Don't you find such an offer strange?
            1. Very old
              Very old 27 February 2016 17: 04
              +1
              HELLO TO THE DEER !!! From Old DEER TO IN already insulted by insults
            2. Very old
              Very old 27 February 2016 17: 05
              +3
              Did you learn to Licka?
            3. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 27 February 2016 19: 19
              -3
              The breakthrough in the financing of the army was pledged by high oil prices, which quadrupled during Putin's rule. Serdyukov only "mastered" this money, not without his own benefit.
            4. Finches
              Finches 27 February 2016 20: 50
              +1
              Mister PKK! Such your statements are absolutely unacceptable! Firstly, "Military Review" has always been distinguished by a culture of communication and if your parents did not instill the rules of elementary politeness in you, then you should not cast a shadow on the entire VO community! Go, for example, to "Censor.net" - they do not hesitate in expressions and it is there that people who consider themselves the ultimate truth are concentrated!
              Secondly, rudeness speaks only about one thing - the lack of intelligible arguments! Try to understand this, even, apparently, by virtue of a young age! Do not think that your incognito is a reason for permissiveness.
              You like Serdyukov, and God be with him, but, personally, I already serve with the 7th (seventh) Minister of Defense and I have something to compare! I emphasize once again that your disagreement with comrades is not a reason for such expressions! I really hope that you will hear me, even if you are an ordinary troll hi
        2. aba
          aba 27 February 2016 07: 53
          10
          The latter spent five years on bringing the army to a "new look", doing it with mistakes and shortcomings, but in the end the country received an armed force capable of withstanding modern threats.

          As far as I understand, what was purchased with him was developed before it. So the merit is not great.
          1. Alf
            Alf 27 February 2016 16: 55
            +1
            Quote: aba
            As far as I understand, what was purchased with him was developed before it.

            He is also credited with the development of the Armata, constantly "forgetting" that Armata has a pedigree from the T-95, created long before the furniture marshal.
            These developments began back in the Soviet Union and for this it would be worth rewarding those people who, without receiving a salary for months, in cold design bureaus and workshops of factories, not having the means to feed their families in the terrible 90s and 2000s, continued to forge Patriotic Weapons.
        3. creak
          creak 27 February 2016 10: 59
          0
          Quote: PKK
          How much money was stolen and how much reached the Army before Serdyukov and


          Yeah, if you recall what happened when the PGW was withdrawn from Germany, they took a walk ...
      7. Quager
        Quager 27 February 2016 07: 30
        15
        This fat pig also reformed the army, as education and medicine are being reformed: first they’ll master the money to break everything, and then they will master it to do the same thing back. And Shoigu was put at the head of the army not according to any plan, but in order to pull our armed forces out of the same ... From that swamp where they rolled down under the control of a boar and others like him.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 February 2016 09: 11
          11
          Quote: Quager
          This fat pig also reformed the army, as education and medicine are being reformed:

          Yes, the elephant in the china shop is terrible. But there are shards ... And here are the lives and lives of people. Until now, he is outraged to the depths of his soul by his attitude to the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the eve of 08.08.08. Well, to what extreme degree of incompetence, tyranny and belief in one's own infallibility must one reach so that, without transferring control to a parallel structure, on the eve of the war, disperse the "right hemisphere" of the Army's brain?
          That's what you need to judge for! And also for the fact that for 10 hours they could not get in touch (find Don Juan), because the officer with the "suitcase" prevented him from "amour": by his presence he lit up the "turnout" ... Here is the whole degree of responsibility of this Relatives put on the "nuclear suitcase"! And now to another state feeder. You are our unsinkable, wooden man!
        2. PKK
          PKK 27 February 2016 10: 13
          -1
          Dear Kwager, you think that the Army before Serdyukov could capture the Crimea, build up the Group there, Win the War in Syria. As far as I remember, the fleet didn’t particularly move and the Aviation did not patrol. What did you like about the Army before Serdyukov?
          1. Quager
            Quager 27 February 2016 13: 38
            +3
            Quote: PKK
            Dear Kwager, you think that the Army before Serdyukov could capture the Crimea, build up the Group there, Win the War in Syria. As far as I remember, the fleet didn’t particularly move and the Aviation did not patrol. What did you like about the Army before Serdyukov?


            Dear PKK, give at least one example of Serdyukov's undertakings. What would be the use of this? Besides the agitation theory, that he began reforms? Allegedly buying foreign weapons for copy? This is nonsense, if you want some breakthrough or at least the latest technology, you need to create joint production. You think why Iran is not insisting on just buying equipment?
      8. woron333444
        woron333444 27 February 2016 14: 47
        +1
        What does the analysis have to do with it, the author is trying to compare the incomparable. Shoigu is much higher than Serdyukov. All that Serdyukov collapsed restores Shoigu. It’s even better not to compare here.
      9. skeptic31
        skeptic31 27 February 2016 23: 55
        0
        Yeah, weighted. Even through, chur. During the time of Empress Elizabeth, there was such a unique battle between ours and the Germans, when the commander always wanted to retreat. Not only that, he did everything possible to lose the battle. But the incredible happened. He dared to disobey. So much so that they not only defeated the Germans, but almost took their very emperor into captivity. But this is all a saying. The commander wanted to attribute the success of the battle to himself, but, alas, the Empress did not believe him. And our author, without any doubt, would surely hang him another, from his point of view, well-deserved, order.
      10. skeptic31
        skeptic31 27 February 2016 23: 59
        0
        Yeah, weighted. Even through, chur. During the time of Empress Elizabeth, there was such a unique battle between ours and the Germans, when the commander always wanted to retreat. Not only that, he did everything possible to lose the battle. But the incredible happened. He dared to disobey. So much so that they not only defeated the Germans, but almost took their very emperor into captivity. But this is all a saying. The commander wanted to attribute the success of the battle to himself, but, alas, the Empress did not believe him. And our author, without any doubt, would surely hang him another, from his point of view, well-deserved, order.
      11. Skif83
        Skif83 28 February 2016 08: 24
        +2
        When they analyze the stool - it's all from the evil one and from the word "anal".
        Along with this "anal-isom", compare everything that the Stouretkin destroyed with the Vasilyevs ... How did the GRU special forces crumble? How were full-fledged divisions made into castrated brigades? How land and objects of the Moscow region were sold, incl. and military-technical bases of various sizes ...
        Why to list everything, officers (not majors in uniform), ask what it was like to live under these forgive me ...
        And for this they were so punished ..., sorry, scolded! am
        Today Storetkin is the director of the Russian Helicopters holding !!!
        With an IVS, he would hang on his hind legs, and in the best case, a fret saw on a logging site, to wander ...
        It is disgusting to even discuss this kind of "anal-isy".
        The truth is now not much better, then the accomplices of Serdyukov were strangling the army, and now the Twitter government. Again defaults went, as promised that the summer would receive at least 50 tyrov - and not be seen close (maybe somewhere in the Kremlin VO?).
        In short, the Twitter government decided to transit the crisis around the neck of the people, and since the army is a cast of society, it was touched seriously.
        I would not believe all bravura speeches ...
        And it's bitter!
      12. mixei
        mixei 4 March 2016 18: 02
        +1
        The author of the article sees bulk from gang-kasyanov ... trying to make white out of black ... and black out of white
    2. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 07: 14
      +2
      Pancake! My morning began with this sha ... activist - spoiled all day !!! Grave digger of the Armed Forces of Russia! Ugh, pa ...., a very bad person!
    3. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 07: 40
      10
      I remember very well the day when it was removed! As soon as the news reached us that they removed this ur..actor, it happened at about 11 o’clock, the head and I immediately opened a bottle of cognac! Without exaggeration, I will say that this was done in every military unit, in every military institution from Kamchatka to Kaliningrad! From Private to General! In general, I think that the day of the removal of Serdyukov should be made a festive day in the Armed Forces - even a little more and we would not have an army at all!
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 27 February 2016 10: 58
        +3
        I confirm. They drank like horses. From happiness. I work in military medicine, albeit a civilian one. Unfortunately, he managed to disband our district hospital in which I worked as a surgeon, but did not manage to sell it.
        P.S. I do not know a single officer (acting or reserve) who would not have dreamed of colliding with a stool in the autumn forest. Next is your fantasy fellow
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      4. lis-ik
        lis-ik 27 February 2016 12: 44
        +1
        You see, Eugene found cognac, it wasn’t all that bad, but seriously, in my opinion the article was not biased enough, the author didn’t try to whitewash Serdyukov, he simply put emphasis on it, so in my opinion the information should be presented, and everyone will draw his own conclusions . The article is a well-deserved plus for informational content, for example, I did not know some of the facts highlighted here.
        1. Finches
          Finches 27 February 2016 20: 57
          0
          I spoke out not about the essence of the article, but about a specific person who began to destroy the foundations of the Russian army! Starting with the destruction of its centuries-old traditions, etc.!
    4. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 27 February 2016 09: 07
      10
      he doesn’t care, but infuriates us.

      He just cares. After all, he makes a career further. And so much was stolen that it is possible, without looking, to advance such PR articles for 100 years in advance. And in general, both Serdyukov himself and his entourage seem to be sincerely perplexed why they were dismissed, because they did "so much" for the country. Well, what they stole. ... ... so everyone steals, but only he was removed.
      In general, in any normal situation, a person who has stained himself with corruption of this magnitude, after years of imprisonment, should shut up and show everyone his deep remorse. And only we have neither exile nor remorse. It’s a shame for the author that he is engaged in this dirty business!
      1. the polar
        the polar 27 February 2016 09: 35
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai K
        It’s a shame for the author that he is engaged in this dirty business!

        The author launders with his article not the traitor Serdyukov, but the chief leader, who, in addition to Serdyukov, appoints other traitors to strategic positions
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 February 2016 09: 27
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      well, healthy ... a bit ... for a long time it did not stink of you ... why remember?

      The justification of the Serdyukov borovka is associated with the general justification of the failed reform of the Armed Forces.
      After all, this miracle did not fly from the moon. He was appointed ...
      So they are trying to attribute to the boor, who only crushed like an elephant in a china shop, reducing, so to speak, those positive aspects that I can now see.
      What is Serdyukov’s merit in a significant increase in army financing, rearmament (in Mistral, Lynx and orders for the Rheinmetal, he definitely succeeded) in establishing combat training?
      Or so simply should always be in a normal state.
      And his affairs on the organization of "suction", the appointment of various kinds of wet crockers to responsible positions, the elimination of repair and rear bodies - these are progressive reforms?
      But the fact that the Russian Federation now has only an army for local conflicts (and conscripts who have not served a year at least 50 percent in the Ground Forces) is a fact. And the current leadership perfectly understands this: measures are being taken to re-establish divisions and army headquarters with assigned units.
      With a fart (although this is not only his fault), "mobic affairs" are in the pen. The basis of the foundations - personnel and non-military training have sunk into oblivion.
      The undoubted successes in Syria and the sensible organization of blocking ukrovsk in the Crimea are not entirely accurate indicators of the state of the armed forces. For in the Crimea there were no battles, and in Syria there is no air defense counteraction.
      So Serdyukov is an undoubted evil, although at the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st century, the army accumulated a lot of problems that needed to be solved.
      True, not one did all this pseudo-reform of boars. He also followed the instructions ... And he was supported by the macarque-secret hero of Russia and the company ...
      That's why he has not been planted until now. wink
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 27 February 2016 06: 10
    -3
    Well, what to do with Serdyukov?

    Understand and forgive.....
    1. Very old
      Very old 27 February 2016 07: 53
      17
      And understood and forgiven
  3. venaya
    venaya 27 February 2016 06: 10
    -3
    Defense-industrial complex, ... "just gave a standing ovation"

    Why does Serdyukov infuriate us? Perhaps the true reason is fin. interests of the military-industrial complex.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 February 2016 08: 15
      11
      Quote: venaya
      Why does Serdyukov infuriate us?


      Because this pig, through its activities, cast a shadow openly, left a stain on the uniform of military people who, with blood and then, strengthened the country's defense and kept it at the proper level. Because this impudent person did not refuse the offered position due to incompetence and profanity in military education. Because his subordinates (civilians without shoulder straps) were engaged in humiliation of those on whose shoulders these shoulder straps were, and they got them not by incubating eggs in a ministerial chair and not rubbing a beefy "point" on this chair ...
      soldier
  4. cap
    cap 27 February 2016 06: 17
    +2
    “One way or another, but the course chosen by Sergei Shoigu is in many ways a continuation of the reforms initiated by Anatoly Serdyukov. The latter spent five years on bringing the army to a“ new look ”, doing it with mistakes and shortcomings, but in the end the country received armed forces Dmitry Medvedev, whose presidency covered almost the entire term of the ex-defense minister, a few weeks after his resignation, said in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper: "You can do nothing, but you can carry out transformations. Anatoly Serdyukov carried out them."D.Medvedev.
    “Things were no better with other departments and members of the cabinet of ministers: in five years, Anatoly Serdyukov had quarreled with everyone with whom he could. He was in conflict with Dmitry Rogozin, who replaced Ivanov, because of the desire to purchase military products abroad, in particular Iveco LMV-65 armored vehicles and Mistral-class helicopter carriers. "
    Author Ivan Safronov


    "During the time he spent at the head of the Ministry of Defense, Anatoly Serdyukov was remembered for his toughness in making decisions within the department. He was cool enough to the generals, in his environment the officers were jokingly called green men - in solving many issues he preferred to rely on people from the tax authorities, whom he brought with him to the Ministry of Defense. "

    As a "jacket", do not change Mr. Ivan Safronov, he will remain a "jacket" even if you try to paint it.

    “The new minister also managed to create a sincere atmosphere in the team. It is said that before one of the meetings with Vladimir Putin, Shoigu entered the office, where the commanders-in-chief of the branches and the commanders of the branches of the armed forces were waiting for him. Everyone was ready to stand at attention, but he showed with a gesture, that it was not necessary to do this, and joined the conversation with subordinates. And even told a joke. Under Serdyukov, this could not have happened. "

    Did I miss anything?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2016 06: 24
      +6
      Quote: cap
      Did I miss anything?

      about theft and corruption.
      1. cap
        cap 27 February 2016 08: 12
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: cap
        Did I miss anything?

        about theft and corruption.

        Thanks for the comment, I’ll take into account the future. Theft and corruption are a separate topic, several volumes. The prosecutor’s office, the investigative committee, probably the FSB. Unfortunately, I don’t have access to these materials.
        It was once the form number 1, and that one is not in profile, it was canceled in 1989.
        Something like that hi .
  5. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 27 February 2016 06: 21
    12
    It means stealing a billion from the state to understand and forgive, and a hungry man put a loaf of bread behind bars. Somehow it does not agree with moral principles.
    1. the polar
      the polar 27 February 2016 09: 52
      +4
      Quote: Spartanez300
      It means stealing a billion from the state to understand and forgive, and a hungry man put a loaf of bread behind bars. Somehow it does not agree with moral principles.

      You see, not everyone has been given the chance to steal a billion; there are few of them. Therefore, they can be understood and forgiven. And who plundered a loaf of bread, tens of millions of such poor and hungry, and if they were not sent to prison, they plundered all the bread. And bread, for a Russian, is sacred! They encroach on the most sacred!
  6. ele1285
    ele1285 27 February 2016 06: 31
    +9
    Quote: Sensatus
    Why are you so right away? The author is trying to make a balanced analysis. And it is commendable. Because only black and white, personally, to be honest, I already got tired.

    I can't wash the black dog. And the "Taburetkin" drove to him for a reason.
    1. Kubyanka
      Kubyanka 27 February 2016 22: 32
      +1
      And also a field furniture. I remember a photo I met somewhere: before his arrival in Yeysk, it was written on the fences in arshin letters - "Only those who can make stools can serve in the army."
  7. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 27 February 2016 06: 31
    11
    A thief should go to jail! And everything positive that happened in the army and the navy is not "thanks", but "in spite of" this figure. Why is this resuscitation? It can be seen again somewhere lit up.
  8. victorsh
    victorsh 27 February 2016 06: 33
    12
    He treated the general quite coolly, in his entourage officers were jokingly called green men - in solving many issues he preferred to rely on immigrants from the tax authorities, whom he had brought to the Ministry of Defense.
    The author’s mistake is that all of his kurvy belonged to the military with disdain, and let the author unveil the salary of the GP MO (close to the body) and compare it with the DD of the ORLR commander at the same time in Central Russia.
    PS I know how they, upon arrival in Novosibirsk, behaved with officers. I would have suppressed.
  9. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 27 February 2016 06: 34
    +7
    Dmitry Medvedev, whose presidency covered almost the entire term of the ex-defense minister, a few weeks after his resignation, in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper said: "You can do nothing, but you can carry out reforms. Anatoly Serdyukov carried out them."
    God forbid you to experience these transformations da.m. on your personal wallet and well-being. And when I first saw this photo, I thought it could not be. But it was. It's a shame, pain, humiliating. But, something tells me, Brother will break through.
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 07: 22
      +3
      If not for Bodrov ... I almost didn’t shy my fist at the monitor !!!
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      2. s.melioxin
        s.melioxin 27 February 2016 08: 13
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        If not for Bodrov ... I almost didn’t shy my fist at the monitor !!!
        Respected! Or maybe the Inquisition was wrong? Everything is comprehended in comparison. Either you want music or flowers, or kill someone.
        1. Finches
          Finches 27 February 2016 08: 53
          0
          This is purely our "ordinary miracle" .....!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 February 2016 09: 54
      0
      These people have the strength in the connections at the top, so they won’t have anything - until they do, time will pass and they will return to these guys.
  10. EvgNik
    EvgNik 27 February 2016 06: 41
    +3
    Quote: Spartanez300
    somehow it does not agree with moral principles

    Morality is one. If you put those who stole a loaf of bread, nothing will happen to the state. If you put all those who "earned" the initial capital by criminal means, the state will collapse.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 27 February 2016 06: 44
      +5
      How will they judge and imprison themselves? belay
  11. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 27 February 2016 06: 44
    -13 qualifying.
    the most important thing that made Serdyukov normal ... it reduced the officers (for many there received a salary for sitting on a chair) ... well, it made me lower the price of the military commissariat ... only it’s a pity they didn’t press down (shipbuilders continue to break inadequate prices). In general, he had a task - to break the old ... to update. Well, he stole naturally ... in our country it looks like in the blood. but the fact that he is not in prison ... well, nobody needs it .. no one needs it.
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 07: 24
      +7
      I would answer about this ...! But I can’t disclose some things - Stalin who shot part of the officer corps before the war inflicted combat readiness on the Army less harm than this ur..reformer! May God grant no war until 2020!
      1. Riv
        Riv 27 February 2016 07: 41
        +1
        And what, Stalin thereby caused damage to the Red Army ??? Uncle, did you read Tukhachevsky at all?
        1. Finches
          Finches 27 February 2016 07: 43
          0
          That is, executions of command personnel is not damage? Is that good?
          1. Riv
            Riv 27 February 2016 08: 39
            0
            It depends on what command structure. You read Tukhachevsky, do not be lazy. You can also google Blucher (though I myself have never stumbled upon his literary heritage, but what if you're lucky?)

            "We did not know beforehand where we would meet the main enemy resistance - on the Vistula or beyond the Vistula. But we knew one thing that somewhere we would find and defeat his main forces in a decisive confrontation."

            This is it about the Polish company. Well, the person did not know where he would meet the resistance ... He did not know ... I’m not even lazy to find you a reference.

            http://militera.lib.ru/science/tuhachevsky/index.html

            And, for that matter, how many commanders did Stalin shoot?
            1. Finches
              Finches 27 February 2016 12: 00
              0
              For reference, of course, thank you! I, by the nature of my career, use this site. But the point is not in the memoirs of Tukhachevsky as a whole, but in the fact that many officers with unique experience of the First World War and the Civil War fell into the millstones of repression, and not all of them were traitors. That is, repressions affected our entire society, when along with scum, really innocent fell under the distribution, but in the army - organizations of strictly hierarchy, where much is based on personality and quite closed, the loss of even one lower-level commander brings big problems in terms of combat readiness! To prepare such a specialist for the state is many times more difficult than civilian.
              1. Riv
                Riv 27 February 2016 14: 02
                +1
                How was the experience of the First World War so unique? Firstly: half of the country's male population already had it, and secondly: World War II was very different from the First. So experience is experience, but I had to learn again.

                As for the commanders, let us again turn to the memoirs. Yuri Nikulin (the same artist and director of the circus) went through the war from the first to the last day. Find the book and open it where it describes the pre-war period. A check arrives at the unit and catches her commander in shorts. Budyonny inspected part of him in this form and led (according to Budyonny’s notions after that, too, he had to be removed from his post, so you can’t contact the unit commander). Another reviewer does not know elementary commands. A drunken clerk sleeps under an armored car, legs stick out. The inspector orders to thank him: one person is busy. Moreover, the clerk then did not hesitate to recall this gratitude. In general, fathers-commanders are not distinguished by either discipline or knowledge. They put a young and a miracle on the division! He fights well.

                That is, experience did not help, but the desire to study military affairs and to teach soldiers this helped. And how many were not filmed? For the experience of the First World War, how many of them did the Red Army pay at Rzhev?

                And you never told us how many specifically unique commanders Stalin shot before the war.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 27 February 2016 23: 34
                  0
                  I didn’t talk about uniqueness, I was more referring to experienced commanders who even, as you say, can’t do anything, but in any case, they would be more useful at the forefront than at the grave. Combat experience, it’s also combat experience! In vain, at the beginning of the war, many were rehabilitated and sent to the army! I read and Nikulin, he met a not-so-long war here, in the Sestroretsk area! But if he met her in the area of ​​Brest, we probably would they wouldn’t recognize an artist ..
                  1. Riv
                    Riv 28 February 2016 05: 39
                    +1
                    No, that's what you wrote: "unique experience". And I just clearly explained why such commanders are more useful in the grave.

                    But you still ignore the question: how many officers did Stalin shoot?
  12. Neophyte
    Neophyte 27 February 2016 06: 44
    +7
    Sow Vasilyeva and the boar Serdyukov-entered the list of Russian thieves!
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 07: 25
      +4
      A thief is not the most important thing! He destroyed the Army !!!
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 February 2016 09: 26
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        A thief is not the most important thing! He destroyed the Army !!!

        A thief is a moral assessment of a person.
        But he "tried to destroy the Army." Yes, he was "falling apart" ... But the structure was too tough for even Urfin Dzhus, the founding fathers laid a very large margin of safety in it!
        1. Kubyanka
          Kubyanka 27 February 2016 22: 50
          0
          It began to fall apart even from the year 86 marked or hunchbacked, as you like. If anyone remembers how they started firing captains at age 40. And also after signing agreements with the countries, the nats began to push with bulldozers the latest SU-27s at that time, missiles and much more. And so until November 6, 2012 (including my 530 IAP).
  13. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 27 February 2016 06: 49
    -4
    In my opinion, the author does not try to launder Serdyukov, but simply treats him impartially. And the fact that everything positive in the army appeared contrary to the Minister of Defense is generally a pearl. It seems like the liberals say that we won the Second World War in spite of Stalin. Although I'm not a fan of Serdyukov, to put it mildly, he has some merits.
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 07: 47
      +1
      He has no merits !!!!
    2. bannik
      bannik 27 February 2016 19: 51
      0
      If in front of someone, then some, perhaps, are.
  14. Senior manager
    Senior manager 27 February 2016 06: 51
    +8
    Very ambiguous reforms of Serdyukov. The main fat minus I see in the creation in the troops of the spirit of disunity of the teams, the second point was the tradition of educating younger young officers as senior, experienced. Rigidity and intolerance of the opinions of others led to the same relationship between the military and the lower echelons of service, allowed to get rid of their own commanders and replace them with servicemen on the basis of personal commitment, business qualities and experience were relegated to the background. The era of Taburetkin is waiting for its experts. An interesting period of aircraft construction.
  15. Luiza
    Luiza 27 February 2016 06: 53
    -8
    Quote: venaya
    Defense-industrial complex, ... "just gave a standing ovation"

    Why does Serdyukov infuriate us? Perhaps the true reason is fin. interests of the military-industrial complex.

    This version is not excluded, but one thing remains obvious, he did the conversion and this should not be discounted.
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 07: 53
      +4
      He did nothing! That's the problem!
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 February 2016 09: 51
      +4
      Quote: LUIZA
      he did the conversion and this should not be discounted.
      Those of us who believe that Oorfene Juice acted at his own discretion, at his own peril and risk, are deeply mistaken. The armed forces are such a weighty institution of any state that the clerk, even with the rank of minister of war, is unwitting in these matters to act against the will of the country's leadership. Therefore, let's frankly, honestly and openly admit to ourselves: the Chechen company showed the need for radical changes in the country's military organization. The deep crisis that gripped our society at that time (under the wise leadership of EBN), of course, could not but affect the Armed Forces. Therefore, the reform is objectively overdue. But to carry it out using such methods as the "stranger" did, none of the military leaders to whom this case was proposed did not want to. Therefore, a blockhead and acted as a "bulldozer". But due to his incompetence, he turned out to be the obstetrician who, along with the water, tried to throw out the child. Stopped in time!
      And the second. This whole story with Urfin Dzhus is a reflection of the undercover struggle of clans (political forces) that is going on at the top. Neoliberal monetarists are still here. They only lurked until the next break, to which we are approaching (2018 - presidential elections!). This is where articles appear with attempts to whitewash a high-ranking thief - after all, he is from their clan! And these gentlemen have the interests of the clan above the interests of the state and the people! An example is the first president of "free" Russia.
      Sincerely.
    3. Finches
      Finches 27 February 2016 11: 47
      +2
      Elizabeth hi
      Even if it’s not convenient, the lady was given so many minuses by comrades! I apologize for that! hi
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 February 2016 06: 57
    10
    the course chosen by Sergei Shoigu is largely a continuation of the reforms initiated by Anatoly Serdyukov

    To be honest, this is a correction of the mistakes made by the country's leadership and the President in particular. Is it possible to compare today's Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and those that were under Serdyukov. And his boorish and arrogant attitude to the professional military? Only a human being can afford such a thing, who puts himself not only above professionals, but also being afraid of them, gladly humiliates them.
  17. PKK
    PKK 27 February 2016 07: 14
    -5
    Quote: cap
    with Dmitry Rogozin who replaced Ivanov, he was in conflict because of the desire to acquire military products abroad, in particular Iveco LMV-65 armored vehicles and Mistral-class helicopter carriers. "

    What is not clear? The highways are needed to cover the construction of the canal in North America, and ever buy, sweat to spur the domestic producer. The auto industry, when I realized that the salary was floating away, started to move and moved. Funds left for Serdyukov to the West, after his reforms, flew planes and ships went, the warrior received money. Without him, all the financing of the Army would still go to the West.
  18. turcom
    turcom 27 February 2016 07: 19
    -2
    Quote: Nikolay71
    In my opinion, the author does not try to launder Serdyukov, but simply treats him impartially. And the fact that everything positive in the army appeared contrary to the Minister of Defense is generally a pearl. It seems like the liberals say that we won the Second World War in spite of Stalin. Although I'm not a fan of Serdyukov, to put it mildly, he has some merits.


    I completely agree. From the article - "In the meantime, the troops are receiving equipment and weapons purchased under the state armaments program for 2011-2020, all 19 trillion rubles. For this it was Anatoly Serdyukov who knocked out. operations, S-30 anti-aircraft missile systems, sea and land-based cruise missiles - all of this was ordered by the predecessor of the current Minister of Defense. " Over the past two years, this would hardly have been possible.
  19. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 27 February 2016 07: 38
    +2
    The army should be managed by a professional soldier who has gone through "hot spots" and who knows its needs not by hearsay. Unfortunately, the modern army of Russia is deprived of this (
  20. bober1982
    bober1982 27 February 2016 07: 38
    0
    When a man (former Minister of Defense) is called a boar, and a female sow is rudeness.
    Exactly 100 years ago, the Minister of War Sukhomlinov was arrested, his wife Ekaterina Viktorovna was prosecuted (like a embezzler)
    There are many similarities between the affairs of a hundred years ago - rumors, superficial judgment, hatred or envy.
    In general, things are not so simple, as the children of Crimean officers say.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 February 2016 08: 05
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      In general, things are not so simple, as the children of Crimean officers say.


      In general, if the Minister of Defense is ashamed (has no right) to wear a military uniform, then this only speaks in his favor ...
      If the meetings in the Ministry of Defense turn into the demarche of sleek ladies with dogs, that’s great ...

      There is one version (among adults who have passed military service of people, it should take place):
      perhaps it was someone's cunning tandem plan to lull the vigilance of the vigilant overseas foe? See how they steal everything in Russia, they even got to the Ministry of Defense ... And themselves - once ... and the launch of twenty-six "Caliber" (a sort of twenty-six Russian emissaries to restore order) ???
      what
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 February 2016 10: 06
        +3
        Quote: yuriy55
        There is one version (among adults who have served in the military, this should be the case): perhaps it was someone’s cunning tandem plan to lull the vigilance of the dormant overseas adversary?
        Unfortunately, conspiracy does not smell here! But there are vulgar incompetence, embezzlement and opposition of their interests to the interests of the case.
        The moral damage inflicted on the country by the team of Mr. Blockhead's woodworking shop far exceeds the "benefit" from the foe's misinformation that you are trying to find here.
        Then, I don't remember much of the joyful screams of the Western media about this corruption scandal in the "holy family". And this reminds me of the situation with the "villain" who is "our".
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 27 February 2016 10: 41
          +2
          This is me so joking. laughing
          Is it possible to seriously believe that Medvedev and Putin put at the helm of an amateur Serdyukov? Or did they allow Chubais to ruin RAO UES, bringing to an absurdity (who cares?) Electricity prices, and then, deciding to completely destroy nanotechnologies, entrusted him with a high post Or so, for their beautiful eyes, they approved Nabiullina, the head of the Central Bank, who is the best in the West, and in the country contributed to an increase in the external debt of the Central Bank by $ 1?

          Any (almost) person put in control in the past has a number of significant services to the Fatherland ... yes They won’t appoint No. And the merits of such appointees, according to Forbs ratings, are becoming more significant every year, and the faces, judging by the TV screens, are kinder (from the word "make it up") and wider ... wink
  21. Riv
    Riv 27 February 2016 07: 39
    -4
    I did not know that it was Serdyukov who caused the resignation of Kurin. Coming out of at least one thing he must be praised.
    In general - a good article, suitable. It was written, such an impression, by an officer.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 February 2016 10: 17
      +4
      Quote: Riv
      In general - a good article, suitable.

      Well, this is about literary preferences and tastes.
      But, with confidence we can say: it is ambiguous, extraordinary, not leaving the reader indifferent. There is something to think about and argue in a good way, to exchange opinions.
      Personally, I do not agree with a number of emphasis placed by the author in the article. Nevertheless, I am grateful to him for not being afraid to express his opinion, to open a discussion on the problem of reforming the armed organization of society. In any case - to write an article, to expose it under fire of criticism of demanding forum users - this alone deserves respect. Thank.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 February 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      I did not know that it was Serdyukov who caused the resignation of Kurin.


      It is not yet known who contributed to the resignation of Serdyukov, whose was shameful and created more "delicate" positions for the defendant ... wink
  22. Koshak
    Koshak 27 February 2016 07: 46
    +5
    "Against the background of the obvious economic crisis, Shoigu still manages to convince White House not to reduce the cost of purchasing weapons, but it is difficult to predict how long its resource will last. In the meantime, it is known that the adoption of the new ten-year state armaments program was postponed until after 2017, although initially it was supposed to enter into force this year. "

    Maybe it's the Kremlin after all? Or will the Pentagon wait until the new minister rebuilds Mr. Serdyukov, who was destroyed by "mistakes"? Too many bloopers lately ...
  23. nemec55
    nemec55 27 February 2016 07: 47
    +8
    The role of Serdyukov in the operation to annex Crimea to Russia that unfolded in 2014 cannot be underestimated: the training of the same "polite people" started already under him.

    If you argue this way, then Serdyukov can be crowned.
    Many people are mistaken for the fact that there is no separation of the fly-cutlet
    Serdyukov was not "working" alone ??? And with whom ???? Yes, practically with the same people that they work with now, with the exception of such valuable personnel as Vasilyeva and Co.
    The point is that under Serdyukov there were people who honestly and competently carried out their work and those achievements that were under Serdyukov it is a merit possible only to them, well, at least not a single Serdyukov, because if he is a shit then it’s not necessary that he is also a traitor, he’s just stupid but he’s smart in making money in his own pocket (albeit not in legal ways), although his children are deeply concerned about how the money is earned, the main thing is to live in abundance (this is not my opinion, this is how our current capital society works) someone earns by fraud and someone wants to make money like that.
  24. yuriy55
    yuriy55 27 February 2016 07: 54
    +8
    I wonder, from whose filing did you remember? Whitewashing Medvedev's Rule? Let me remember who then ruled in the government of the Russian Federation? Who is there so white and fluffy picking up shots? Yes, not only did he pick, he also awarded and pardoned ... recourse

    The presence of such potential "freaks" with gnarled little hands (no one would argue that during his time at the post of the Ministry of Defense Serdyukov did nothing but care for equipping the RF Armed Forces, malnourished and did not sleep enough, huddling in the tent of the field camp) allows us to conclude that there are still a lot of such Vasilyevs in different ministries, we do not know about all of them ... only by the state of the economy we suspect that they are.

    The mood is ugly, as if in ..but the dog has come ... No.
  25. aba
    aba 27 February 2016 07: 54
    +3
    What a disgusting erysipelas! (with)
  26. Stinger
    Stinger 27 February 2016 07: 55
    +6
    Yes ... A song about Serdyukov. Straight army Stolypin. It was necessary to immediately appoint Minister Vasilyev. There would be no army and there would be no problems.
    1. aba
      aba 27 February 2016 08: 15
      +4
      Then they would become a European state! Like Sweden, Holland, Norway and Germany. laughing
      1. MASK
        MASK 27 February 2016 08: 23
        +1
        I would "blow" them for Russia!
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 27 February 2016 10: 51
          +1
          Quote: MASK
          I would "blow" them for Russia!

          Compare your preferred blower sizes with your ... laughing laughing wassat
          1. aba
            aba 29 February 2016 22: 36
            0
            This person has clearly overestimated her capabilities, just wet dreams.
            I recalled a joke about exams in the medical:
            - It seemed to you with a fright that the bone, but at the expense of 20 centimeters, was so lucky! Be friends, be friends with him ...
  27. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 February 2016 07: 56
    12
    Overton windows in action. Now he quickly ran through tyrnet, Serdyukov turns out to be a hero. In a consumer society, where the main thing is to consume, it cannot be otherwise. All his merits, which reduced the cost of the army. But how did you reduce the number of airfields from 33 to 8. These are 8 missile attacks and there are no Russian aircraft. Many forgot, and I remember well the first exercises that Shoigu conducted, military airfields refused to accept troops being transferred without prepayment. Defenders of Serdyukov hope that people have a short memory. Now all the time they say that Shoigu enjoys the fruits of Serdyukov’s activities, such as for a year he could not reorganize the army. But Serdyukov became minister in February 2007, and after a year and a half of the events of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, and what is this victory due to Serdyukov?
  28. beer-youk
    beer-youk 27 February 2016 08: 38
    +3
    Quote: Quager
    And Shoigu was put at the head of the army not according to any plan, but in order to pull our armed forces out of the same ... From that swamp where they rolled down under the control of a boar and others like him.


    As always with us, "Every second feat is the elimination of the consequences of the first!"
  29. mag nit
    mag nit 27 February 2016 08: 40
    +1
    It's time to introduce the Hero of Russia, the great reformer (combinator).
  30. Geosun
    Geosun 27 February 2016 08: 49
    +2
    A retired military man who worked with Serdyukov got a job in our organization. And naturally he was asked about the situation from the inside. He said that Serdyukov was appointed to "clean up the stables." Since at the time of his appointment, our army was in almost the same condition as the Ukrainian one today. Practically no exercises were carried out, the soldiers were used as slaves to power, everything was plundered. Serdyukov needed to get into all this in order to change the entire system. He pressed the army top hard and hated him deeply. And accordingly, all the corrupt officials tried to knock him out. Many were in jail or retirement or loss of business, many were deprived of warm places. And he worked 12 hours a day promoting his line. And the question was whether the system will break Serdyukov or he will break her. So, in order to remove it, any methods were used, including setups and hype in the press.
    Everything written above is a brief retelling of the words of this military man, and I myself concluded that we know too little to judge.
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 27 February 2016 09: 41
      +3
      Have you served in the army? I served under Grachev, Rodionov, Sergeev, Ivanov. With whom they revived the units of constant combat readiness. And so the question is, how much does the division and brigade occupy on the front line. Why did the divisions begin to revive?
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 February 2016 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: Geosun
      ... Everything written above is a brief retelling of the words of this military man ...


      I personally know people who for a certain amount will turn a blind eye to trifles ... the larger the amount, the greater the bunch of trifles ... wink
      COMMENT: In a famous episode, Zheglov sarcastically remarks to Sharapova:
      "Well, let's say the landlady will say under oath that you threw the gun at her, and in addition, she will tell you what Father Varlaam talked about with Grishka the impostor at the Lithuanian border."
  31. parafoiler
    parafoiler 27 February 2016 08: 59
    +1
    Yes, it seems, he became a Hero for the Georgian campaign -2008 by secret decree ... That's why he fell under an amnesty ... B ... gee! I have no words!!!
  32. Winnie76
    Winnie76 27 February 2016 09: 10
    0
    It is clear that Serdyukov and his entourage are thieves, pigs, louts and generally stools. It’s clear that they’ve got a lot of money. Clearly, they should sit for theft.

    Now the question. But how could the system be reformed and located inside it? If a career officer is literally connected with the army with his circulatory system, he physically cannot cut off something unnecessary. As a surgeon, he cannot do the surgery on his own. How was it possible to reduce staff to the limit, cut down profile and not so assets, and at the same time remain white and fluffy?

    Hence the resume. Such a tough and rude Serdyukov, ready to be cut to life, was vital. Like a surgeon, ready to cut tumors, and then assemble in his body wink thousands of poisoned arrows from everyone ... ranging from sergeant to marshals. Well, then he goes to the arena on the white horse Shoigu, respect to him and respect
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 27 February 2016 10: 34
      +4
      If a career officer is literally connected with the army with his circulatory system, he physically cannot cut off something unnecessary. As a surgeon, he cannot do the surgery on his own.

      In any case, the SURGEON should operate, and not the carpenter from the furniture factory!
      For the deed with the mob system, the military education system and medical support for the Armed Forces - it is not enough to shoot him. Why were higher military schools (institutes), universities, academies and the General Staff Academy created, for whom was the whole system of training military personnel built? For what?!!! What would a primitive tribe appoint the army commanders in acquaintance and personal sympathy?
      Russia is a state with the largest territory, and here the compact and mobile army cannot cope.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 27 February 2016 11: 17
        +1
        And in our institutes, what are they training specialists in reforming the armed forces? But nothing that Kuzhugetovich Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic graduated, candidate of economic sciences. Why, then, do not call him an accountant?

        Regarding the compact army ... Do you propose to double it, equip the T 55 and spread it evenly throughout the territory? We would have to provide this compact one with modern technology.
  33. Winnie76
    Winnie76 27 February 2016 09: 35
    -1
    And now in Syria we have the second most powerful army on the ball. Not an amoeba with excess weight, with warehouses, ensigns Zadovy, cropped divisions spread throughout the country. A cheetah, strong, fast, lean, modern
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 27 February 2016 11: 05
      +3
      Unfortunately, our armed forces should be able to solve problems not only in local conflicts ...
      1. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 28 February 2016 15: 06
        +1
        which army can now boast of experience of work not in local conflicts? What is meant by local conflict? Remember the Army from the mid-90s, late 90s. It all started with a bald one, I don't know how they put it, but it's clear how it was done. The PRESIDENT of a Country, after resignation, cannot live in a DIFFERENT country. From there the "heat" went, I think Serdyukov is not the worst one. The most worthless average people, generals, who do not command, but sit in positions and justify their red caviar. How many of these made their way into the headquarters, when the captains were kicked out, hard workers, and the fagots of the majors poured into the headquarters. Such a stripe offspring is worse than 100 Serdyukovs gathered in one place.
    2. KBR109
      KBR109 27 February 2016 11: 45
      +1
      What will your cheetah be able to counter, say, a bear? How long will you deploy the same division from scratch on a bare spot?
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 27 February 2016 20: 01
        0
        Airborne Division? We remind you of the emphasis on continuous readiness connections. I think to transfer them faster than understaff cropped, then debug, retrain ...

        About the cheetah and the bear. Given the size of our country, what options can there be? We simply do not have enough human and financial resources to fully and evenly protect the entire territory. Accordingly, the highest mobility is required. Well, it’s natural to have something less mobile, but heavier in threatened areas
  34. Winnie76
    Winnie76 27 February 2016 09: 40
    0
    Dear comrades, if you are minuscule, explain to the fool what is wrong. Very interesting...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 February 2016 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: Winnie76
      Very interesting..

      The moderators promised to keep track of the "minusers" and make sure that by clicking on the number one could see the name of the "punisher" ... There are a couple of users who enter the topic and put a minus to everyone in a row, so, for the sake of sports interest, in the course of life. ..
      To be honest, cons and warnings adorn the user, like scars to a man ... wink
  35. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 February 2016 10: 28
    +2
    The next praises to the "witness", how much money did he "witness" that now he spends so much on PR? And why, again aiming for a big position?
    his name will always be associated with the start of a radical reform of the Russian armed forces.

    In fact, his name will always be associated with something completely different - theft, collapse, incompetence, personal unscrupulousness.
  36. PKK
    PKK 27 February 2016 10: 29
    -1
    Quote: Finches
    I’ll say that they did it in every military unit, in every military institution from Kamchatka to Kaliningrad! From Private to General! In general, I think that the day of the removal of Serdyukov should be made a festive day in the Armed Forces - even a little more and we would not have an army at all!

    You are examples of thoughtfulness. But now it’s worth raising a glass, for the one who redirected cash flows to the Army, raised Aviation, Fleet, set up military construction, made our Army Victorious! Name the name, who did all this?
  37. atamankko
    atamankko 27 February 2016 10: 58
    0
    No matter how much you feed the stool, it will not be vasilieva, although the mind is good, but a pair of boots.
  38. midshipman
    midshipman 27 February 2016 11: 18
    +5
    To create new types of military and military equipment, during military trials, I constantly had to work with the high command of the USSR Ministry of Defense from 1979 to 1990. Why did we never have the thought of stealing or ruining something? During the leadership of the State Institution one of the nine defense ministries created, brought to design capacity 9 enterprises. And it was never in my thoughts to steal anything. And these figures were enriched by the assets created in the USSR, awarded themselves with awards that they were not entitled to (Serdyukov, Makarov, Gorbachev, etc.). I was unpleasant to read this article. I have the honor.
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 27 February 2016 11: 37
      +1
      Because the MO was led by people like Ustinov, Sokolov. People who went through the war, understanding the needs of the army and navy. Ustinov is also an EXCELLENT manager, who is simply not there at the moment. And now, from lieutenants to generals (and some from bandits).
  39. Winnie76
    Winnie76 27 February 2016 11: 36
    0
    Quote: midshipman
    I was unpleasant to read this article. I have the honor

    And to be treated, to perform an operation is always unpleasant. And to reform the army inherited from the USSR is also unpleasant. At the time of the collapse of the USSR, it was a bulky amorphous formation, where the people simply tried to survive as best they could. Well, Serdyukov is probably not even a surgeon, but a dentist. He climbed into the patient’s mouth with a perforator and, as he could, removed something, sealed something.

    And if there had been some kind of mumble in its place, the patient would have simply died from gangrene wink
    1. Massik
      Massik 27 February 2016 12: 22
      +4
      Quote: Winnie76
      At the time of the collapse of the USSR, it was a bulky amorphous formation, where the people simply tried to survive as best they could. Well, Serdyukov is probably not even a surgeon, but a dentist. He climbed into the patient’s mouth with a perforator and, as he could, removed something, sealed something.
      Well, yes, but it was the actions of the elite that led to this "amoebicity", which were able to destroy the most efficient army in 5 years. In the days of the USSR, we could resist the whole world, but now God forbid at least to overpower "Turkey with comrades" with the current composition of the Armed Forces. There are no personnel regiments nowadays, they have been reduced, there is nowhere to quickly deploy mob.reserves if a global meat grinder begins.
      Serdyukov is rather a pathologist who cut everything out without hesitation, not forgetting to warm his hands at the work of a saw and an ax.
  40. doktorlarisa
    doktorlarisa 27 February 2016 11: 44
    +2
    Serdyukov and "others like him" - a shameful page in the history of the army and in the history of the country
  41. Winnie76
    Winnie76 27 February 2016 12: 09
    0
    And without common words, what exactly is a shame? Here’s Pasha Mercedes, Kvashnin, by the way, personnel, not furniture makers — this is a shame. Specifically, the storming of Grozny
  42. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 27 February 2016 12: 26
    +1
    I wonder when you get tired of whitewashing whitewash Serdyukov? And will we see Serdyukov Center, Gaidar Center, Gorbachov Center, at such a pace? wassat
  43. onix757
    onix757 27 February 2016 14: 18
    +1
    If you want to destroy, then first of all, demoralize. Taburetkin achieved a lot in this field, talented, experienced and, most importantly, thinking officers left in batches. Today we have an army of unprincipled pigs ready for any order for the sake of the owners.
    Summary: Worthlessly lost years that no longer make up.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 February 2016 14: 29
      -1
      Quote: onix757
      If you want to destroy, then first of all, demoralize. Taburetkin achieved a lot in this field, talented, experienced and most importantly thinking officers left in packs

      - this the process began much earlier, somewhere like that in 90's yet, no?

      Quote: onix757
      Today we have an army of unprincipled pigs ready for any order for the sake of the owners

      - not harsh statement, not?
      - the army has no masters, am I mistaken? Just do not about the US Federal Reserve and other .. world backstage laughing
      1. onix757
        onix757 27 February 2016 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        this process began much earlier, somewhere else in the 90s, no?

        So, but only the stool was able to overlay the general staff with their b-mi, it was also not bad to publicly humiliate the officer corps. One thing people leave for material difficulties and quite another when the officer honor does not allow to endure further.
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        the army has no masters, am I mistaken?

        You are mistaken. The oath of defense of the people does not say anything.
        - not a harsh statement, no?

        No
  44. okroshka79
    okroshka79 27 February 2016 20: 24
    +2
    Ready to be wildly ragged. For all my personal hostility toward Serdyukov, I believe that the benefits in his activities as Minister of Defense are greater than the shortcomings. The author of the article is a definite plus. Let's be objective!
  45. alone
    alone 27 February 2016 21: 41
    0
    I don’t understand one thing. Who was Tolik? The minister appointed. Did what they told him (As usual, in the post-Soviet space they don’t appoint initiative people for such posts), he shared it as it should, amnestied, clean before the law. Like Vasiliev.
    But what does Yeltsin and Serdyukov have to do with it at all? Is it somehow to blame for the fact that Putin appointed him Minister?
  46. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 28 February 2016 03: 48
    0
    I regret to read about the merits of the "effective" manager Serdyukov, who robbed the defense department and did not receive the deserved punishment for his crimes.
    If positive reforms took place during his leadership, then thanks to the military personnel of the Defense Ministry, who were able to give the reforms in the right direction.
    And this is not the merit of Serdyukov, just a lot of things in the military department were beyond the understanding and sphere of interests of the non-military minister of the military department, busy selling the best pieces of property of the defense department and the stability of personal relations.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 28 February 2016 06: 02
      0
      You speak at the meeting, it’s difficult to read, although the general meaning is clear.
  47. Roust
    Roust 28 February 2016 08: 25
    +1
    Author! Are you Papmk Taburetkina ?! ... Ask the officers who Serdyukov is .... who defended the HOMELAND under him. He is a BIG MOST ERROR ...
  48. Palladin
    Palladin 29 February 2016 16: 46
    0
    Thief and cattle ...