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Paramilitary forces

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Georgia can boast of its army, but no more


The Georgian armed forces, like many other post-Soviet armies, were built from a state of complete chaos, becoming a synthesis of the remnants of the Soviet army and the local militia. In the Georgian case, local specifics were added: at the beginning of the 90s, the country experienced a triple civil war - for power in Tbilisi, for retaining Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

The first of these wars was largely responsible for the loss of the other two. After that, for 10 years, the Georgian army remained essentially legal gangs, extremely underfunded and completely incompetent.

Saakashvili, who came to power at the end of 2003, achieved a radical change in the situation in the country and in the army in particular.

And created, and ditched


Thanks to the improvement of the economic situation and curbing “grassroots” corruption, funding for the Armed Forces has increased even by several orders of magnitude. Western military assistance appeared, the scale of which, however, is greatly exaggerated (in reality it was a few percent of the country's defense budget). Georgia began to massively purchase weapon abroad, primarily in the Czech Republic and Ukraine, among other suppliers were Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Turkey, Israel, the United States. Acquired almost exclusively the former Soviet or Eastern European, created on its basis, which was modernized using Western technologies. Although the military draft was formally preserved in Georgia, the combat units were completed with contract soldiers, that is, in fact, they were a professional army.

In general, the Georgian Armed Forces for 4,5 have gone very far from the state of Shevardnadze’s times. Nevertheless, their potential was not enough to establish effective control over Abkhazia, South Ossetia and for war with the RF Armed Forces. But the decisive role in the further development of events was played by the subjective factor.

Saakashvili was very dizzy with success (which he really did have in politics and economics), while he was distinguished by obvious psychological instability, complete incompetence in military matters (which he certainly did not understand) and genuine faith in the West. He seriously seriously believed that he had created a modern professional network-centric army, which would not only instantly crush the armed forces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but also, if necessary, would easily win over the armed forces of the Russian Federation. And in the case of some extremely unlikely unforeseen circumstances, NATO will certainly come to the rescue immediately. By the way, there is nothing particularly ridiculous about this, after all, even in our country a significant part of the population is absolutely confident in the advantage of a professional army, in the gigantic combat power of NATO and its aggressive essence. Another thing is that the president of the country should not be guided by philistine ideas, but must see reality. But the Georgians were not lucky with the president, although at that moment they didn’t think so.

On the night of 7 on 8 in August 2008, almost all of the military and political leadership of South Ossetia fled from Tskhinvali to Java. Nevertheless, the Georgian troops got bogged down in street battles with the practically uncontrollable Ossetian militias. And then the armed forces entered the battle.

Contrary to the stable opinion, Russian troops had no numerical superiority on the ground. There were very big problems in the air. Nevertheless, the war ended in the crushing defeat of the “modern professional” army of Georgia, which on the third day of the war essentially simply collapsed, ceasing all resistance and leaving behind a huge amount of weapons, ammunition and fully operational equipment. Which, by the way, was confirmed by the well-known fact: all other things being equal, the draft army will always win the hired (professional) at least due to a much higher motivation of the personnel.

And NATO, of course, did not lift a finger for the sake of Georgia. This could be easily guessed if guided not by propaganda, but by reality. Moreover, at the end of the war, the alliance imposed a tacit but tough moratorium on the country's supply of arms. So sometimes the statements that Georgia has so far restored its combat power are completely absurd.

Box with soldiers

The Ground Forces after the 2008 war are the only type of Georgian Armed Forces. They include 13 brigades - 5 infantry (1st — Kojori, 2nd — Senaki, 3rd — Kutaisi, 4th — Vaziani, 5th — Gori), 2 artillery (1st — Vaziani, 2 I - Khoni), MTR, air defense, engineering (all - Tbilisi), aviation (Marneuli), 2 reserves (10th - Senaki, 20th - Telavi).

Tank The fleet includes 124 T-72s (some of which were modernized with the help of Israel) and 19 obsolete T-55AMs in storage. This is about half of what Georgia had as of August 7, 2008. There are up to 78 BRMs (11 BRM-1K, 17 BRDM-2, up to 50 domestic Didgori-2), 121 BMPs (71 BMP-1, 43 BMP-2, 7 own Laziks), up to 300 armored personnel carriers (11 MTLB, 4 BTR-60, 49 BTR-70, 18 BTR-80, 92 Turkish “Cobra” and 70 “Edger”, up to 60 own Didgori-1/3). The artillery includes 48 self-propelled guns (12 2С1, 13 2С3, 1 2С19, 21 Czech "Dana", 1 2С7), 109 towed guns (84 D-30, 3 2A36, 10 2A65, 12 D-20), 181 mortar (145 37M , 6 2C12, 30 M-43 and Czech M-75), 43 MLRS (21 BM-21, 18 Czech RM-70, 4 Israeli LRAR-160). Available about 320 anti-tank systems (Baby, Bassoon, Competition) and 80 anti-tank systems (up to 40 MT-12, 40 D-48).

Paramilitary forcesThe troop defense has the 12 X-NUMX anti-aircraft missile system, the 10 X-NUMX anti-aircraft missile system, the Shilka 40 2, the 15 X-45 15 anti-aircraft gun (60 Z-30).

The air force as a type of aircraft abolished. As part of the ground forces, the only combat aircraft in the air force are 12 Su-25 (including 7 modernized Su-25КМ, 2 training-combat Su-25UB). 10 similar attack aircraft purchased in Bulgaria in non-flying state as a source of spare parts. There are 4 transport planes (3 An-2, 1 Tu-134) and 11 training (8 L-39С, 3 Yak-52, up to 9 extremely obsolete L-29, possibly in storage), 5 combat helicopters Mi-24, X-NUMX, possibly outdated L-1, are in storage) and 35 Mi-6, up to 14 rescue Mi-26, 15 multipurpose and transport (8 Mi-9, 1 American UH-2Н, 332 French AS2L). In the aviation of the border troops there are X-NUMX patrol aircraft of the An-28, X-NUMX helicopter Mi-4 and X-NUMX Mi-2.

Air defense includes 1 or 2 of the division (6 PU and 3 ROM in each) Buk-М1 ADMS and maximum 7 divisions (up to 28 PU) С-125, 13 ЗРК Osa, 5 Israeli ЗРКРРК ЗРК ЗРК Р ОРсаР ОР ОР ОР ОР ,РР, 80 of Israeli battalions (up to 50 PU) MANPADS (30 "Needle", XNUMX Polish "Thunder").

The Georgian Navy, after losing most of the combat boats in August 2008, was abolished as a type of aircraft, the remaining ships were transferred to the coast guard. Now in its composition 19 guard (2 Greek type "Delos", 1 Turkish AB-30 "Turk" and 2 MRTP-33, 1 former German minesweeper of the "Lindau", 1 Soviet project 205P and 8 project 1400M, 2 American type " Point ”and 2“ Dontless ”) and 4 landing craft (2 project 106K, 2 project 1176).

Almost all of this equipment is Soviet in origin and time of production. On its basis, it is impossible to build a modern network-centric army, which Saakashvili did not understand. Own defense industry does not exactly fix. Although the country got the Tbilisi aircraft factory, where the Su-25 was going to be built during the Soviet era, Georgia, naturally, was not able to organize their production without Russian components. In recent years, their own Lazika infantry combat vehicle and Didgori BTR several modifications have been created at the Tbilisi tank repair plant, but they cannot seriously strengthen the country's military potential either in quantity or quality.

Death in another's war


Of course, there can be no talk of accepting Georgia into NATO, even if for purely formal reasons - it has not settled its territorial problems. The real reason is that neither the United States, nor even Europe is going to not only fight, but at least get the theoretical risk of a conflict with Russia because of some Georgia. And, all the more, there can be no question of her returning Abkhazia and South Ossetia by military means (the popular talk in some media that Tbilisi is preparing for a rematch is not to be taken into account). The country does not have the resources to create capable armed forces, NATO is not going to provide any assistance. The current leaders in Tbilisi are no less anti-Russian and pro-Western than Saakashvili, but for them it’s still a political course, not a psychological diagnosis. Accordingly, they do not plan any war, realizing its complete hopelessness.

However, a completely new situation will develop in the event of the beginning of an armed conflict between Russia and Turkey because of the fundamental contradictions in Syria (it is, of course, not inevitable, but not excluded). Geographically, Georgia will be between two opponents, at the same time blocking communications for Russia with its 102 military base in Armenia. This fact alone will automatically be on the side of Turkey, therefore in Tbilisi it may be tempted to ask Ankara for help in returning its former autonomies. True, in this case, Georgia itself substitutes a full blow. And this time, unlike August 2008, the Kremlin will not make a political decision to stop troops in 40 kilometers from Tbilisi. On the contrary, they will decide to pierce Georgia through, thereby establishing a direct link with Armenia.

It is difficult to say whether the Georgian statehood will end there or the country will lose some territories (for example, Adjara, the Javakheti populated by Armenians). But the economic damage in any case will be gigantic. Finally, the Georgian armed forces will cease to exist. And even more so will have to forget about the return of autonomy.
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  1. Sensatus
    Sensatus 27 February 2016 06: 30
    47
    Small states do not need an army, but competent diplomacy and friendship with a strong neighbor. But the Georgians have not yet understood this.
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 27 February 2016 08: 42
      +8
      namely, the question is that many other small states do not understand this, for some reason wasting energy on the army, although you can just negotiate, cooperate and be needed by everyone. then they themselves will come to defend if someone attacks. Georgia has such a Lafa, even if the army is dissolved, there is no one to attack them in the region.
      1. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 27 February 2016 09: 37
        +5
        The presence of the armed forces is one of the elements of state sovereignty, and not even a small state will refuse them, in order to create at least the appearance of this sovereignty. The issue of aircraft efficiency, in this case, is not put at the forefront. Although, you can have a relatively small, but quite effective army, it all depends on psychological motivation and moral attitude. If we take the defense of our territory as the basis, and not the idea of ​​capturing strangers, then this is possible.
        The rodents will not disband the army, because they will have to employ a large number of "idlers" or increase the army of actively dissatisfied unemployed. And this is also not beneficial for the state, because can provoke riots with attempts to replace power.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 27 February 2016 10: 40
          16
          Georgian soldiers are knocking on the gates of Paradise; the apostle Peter peers out the window.
          Peter: - who are they?
          Georgians: - we are dead soldiers, let us in.
          Peter: - I don’t know anything, stomp where you want. Sakashvilli just spoke on TV, said no losses.

          belay
          1. TsUS-Air Force
            TsUS-Air Force 27 February 2016 15: 15
            0
            the whole point of military policy
      2. Maksus
        Maksus 27 February 2016 09: 41
        0
        Exactly, attacks may come earlier, such as for protection, but in fact the occupation will happen. The army is needed not only for war, it mobilizes the population, keeps it in good shape. Otherwise, complete collapse and a hedonistic society.
        1. Ruslan
          Ruslan 27 February 2016 15: 15
          +1
          I understand that if Georgia was somewhere in Africa, with neighbors there, aircraft carriers with bombers would not be in the way, but in countries like Georgia, it’s more accurate to rely on the police. type of internal troops. Well done that the air force and the navy disbanded and do not disgrace, like Ukraine with its admirals without ships. and prepare them for guerrilla warfare. in any case, in your conditions, pseudo-army will not help. and even more so does not protect against complete collapse and hedonism, this is generally decided on a different plane.
      3. bovig
        bovig 27 February 2016 09: 54
        +2
        Quote: ruslan
        namely, the question is that many other small states do not understand this, for some reason wasting energy on the army, although you can just negotiate, cooperate and be needed by everyone. then they themselves will come to defend if someone attacks. Georgia has such a Lafa, even if the army is dissolved, there is no one to attack them in the region.

        Unless, of course, not counting Turkey ...
      4. Vadim42
        Vadim42 27 February 2016 13: 27
        +1
        Poland once agreed.
        1. Evgen_Vasilich
          Evgen_Vasilich 28 February 2016 00: 09
          0
          Quote: Vadim42
          Poland once agreed.

          the Poles wanted the Russian land (C) wanted to agree with Aloizych to be friends against Russia. and the army didn’t have norms then.
    2. Konstantin Yu
      Konstantin Yu 27 February 2016 09: 36
      +1
      They all understood ... the choice to make is the will to have, and so you can blurt out in the hole ... where will it arrive .. Georgian diplomacy
    3. teacher
      teacher 27 February 2016 10: 51
      +1
      On the night of 7 on 8 in August 2008, almost all of the military and political leadership of South Ossetia fled from Tskhinvali to Java. Nevertheless, the Georgian troops got bogged down in street battles with the practically uncontrollable Ossetian militias. And then the armed forces entered the battle.

      And Barankevich A.K.? And the tanks they burned at the crossroads of Moscow and Peacekeepers?
    4. Lelek
      Lelek 27 February 2016 11: 18
      +7
      Quote: Sensatus
      Small states do not need an army, but competent diplomacy and friendship with a strong neighbor.


      But SO! I want to imagine myself GREAT, who decides something in this world, otherwise everything is "my sail is so lonely white against the background of steel ships ...".
    5. max702
      max702 27 February 2016 13: 01
      +5
      Thanks to the improvement of the economic situation and the curbing of “grassroots” corruption, financing of the Armed Forces has increased even several times, but by orders of magnitude. Western military aid appeared, the scale of which, however, is greatly exaggerated (in reality, it amounted to several percent of the country's defense budget).
      Come on! Where did the money come from in Georgia? What kind of products did Georgia receive funds for the Army? Did you sell tangerines or a beetroot border? There is nothing of value to these Holodtrans! Uncle Sam gave them all the money, and carefully controlled so that they were not plundered by the locals, but allowed to highlighted , namely the Army and the creation of an exemplary showcase of American aid (police, roads, pensions) .. BUT! The very purpose of this money was to prepare cannon fodder for the fight against Russia, but the United States miscalculated on the wrong people, they put the poor Georgians as soldiers, it was necessary to read the Russian classics ".. the battle did not last long, timid Georgians fled.. "Today and now the stake has been made on the Ukrainians, but it also hasn't really justified itself, but nothing has ended there, unlike Georgia ..
    6. Ostwest
      Ostwest 27 February 2016 16: 08
      +7
      Yes, we ruined them ourselves. In their midst there is a lot of talk about imperialism, in which, in fact, the metropolises always live worse than the center, but with us it was the other way around. The waterfall from undeserved goods that fell in the Soviet era to Georgia made them inadequate and, although they already live in a different dimension, the memory of their happiness is still alive. We tried to connect with the United States, instead of Russia, it did not work, of course. Have you understood what imperialism is with this example?
      But in vain. In the case of the turmoil with Turkey, Georgia has excellent chances for expansion at the expense of its historical territories, lost under the Bolsheviks. The situation is the same with Armenia, which understands the situation.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 February 2016 06: 48
    +2
    On the contrary, they will decide to break through Georgia, thereby establishing a direct connection with Armenia.

    Of course, much said. And perhaps I would like that. But not everything is so simple really.
    And the fact that if Georgia "turns out", will get a lot at once - that's for sure! angry
  3. aba
    aba 27 February 2016 06: 48
    +4
    After that, for 10 years, the Georgian army remained essentially a legitimate gang.

    Now it’s clear where the addiction to jeeps in the Georgian army came from. laughing
  4. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 February 2016 07: 14
    0
    Briefly about Ukrainian-Georgian Relations:

    Taras and Givi are going in the compartment. Givi took out chacha, cut the peaches with a dagger, treats Taras. Taras saw the dagger, thinks how to lure it out. He took out the bacon, cuts it with a dagger and says: "Givi, give the dagger, you will throw it away anyway, I cut the bacon with it." "Ne ne vibroshu. I shave their eggs."
    1. givargi
      givargi 27 February 2016 08: 18
      17
      And since when in Georgia to cut fat with a dagger is a sin? Georgians Christians.
      1. Dimon19661
        Dimon19661 27 February 2016 10: 30
        +3
        Islam is the second largest and most important religion in the territory of modern Georgia. According to the 2002 census, 9,9% of the country's population professed Islam (about 0,4 million people).
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 28 February 2016 20: 04
          +1
          These are the Azerbaijanis of Georgia and part of the Georgians-Adjars.
    2. Ruslan
      Ruslan 27 February 2016 08: 45
      +4
      erroneous joke, Georgians are not Muslims, fat is not contraindicated for them. which of the Muslims was replaced by Georgians? who is in the original? :)
  5. bionik
    bionik 27 February 2016 07: 19
    22
    Such a wish - to study military affairs, left on the territory of a military base in the Georgian city of Gori, fighters of the 71st Guards Motorized Rifle Order of the Red Banner Order of Kutuzov Regiment, constantly stationed in the n. Khankala.
  6. engineer
    engineer 27 February 2016 07: 26
    +6
    small states, in principle, cannot have an army. able to withstand one on one army of great powers. therefore must be included in the blocks. realizing. that will be a bargaining chip in a serious war. that is life.
  7. Pig
    Pig 27 February 2016 07: 32
    11
    when the Union was being destroyed, all these duremars were told tales that they "would never participate in imperial wars" ... it was ecstasy!
    however, Uncle Sam has their fate - cannon fodder and even that crappy ...
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 27 February 2016 07: 35
    +6
    The current leaders in Tbilisi are no less anti-Russian and pro-Western,but for them it is still a political course, not a mental diagnosis. ..No ... still the diagnosis ...
  9. Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari 27 February 2016 07: 45
    +3
    Quote: Sensatus
    Small states do not need an army, but competent diplomacy and friendship with a strong neighbor. But the Georgians have not yet understood this.


    That's right, only we should not forget about diplomacy - in this case, this is a very promising direction).
  10. bad
    bad 27 February 2016 08: 38
    +3
    hmm .. earlier the Georgians lived in Georgia and were part of a mighty power .. they were chocolate ... and now in Georgia .. laughing
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 27 February 2016 09: 14
      +9
      Let the thieves in the law live there more than in the whole union.
  11. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 27 February 2016 08: 45
    +2
    Which, incidentally, was confirmed by a well-known fact: ceteris paribus, the draft army will always defeat the hired (professional) at least due to the much higher motivation of the personnel.

    Ничего подобного.
    This is the same as saying that an amateur is always better than a specialist.
    Try to apply this statement to science, production, music, etc.

    In addition, the story, as a rule, shows the opposite.
    1. bovig
      bovig 27 February 2016 10: 10
      +4
      Quote: ArcanAG
      Which, incidentally, was confirmed by a well-known fact: ceteris paribus, the draft army will always defeat the hired (professional) at least due to the much higher motivation of the personnel.

      Ничего подобного.
      This is the same as saying that an amateur is always better than a specialist.
      Try to apply this statement to science, production, music, etc.

      In addition, the story, as a rule, shows the opposite.

      The story doesn’t show anything like this ... It’s who looks at it and from which side on this question ... The Titanic was built by professionals, and the Ark is an amateur! I personally consider myself an amateur (I did not receive any professional education), but 80% of the professionals will put in a belt (even with a higher education) in their field of activity. I do not argue that sometimes I experience a lack of systemic education, but this lack is not of a fundamental nature ... Sometimes, it even seriously helps out when it becomes necessary to make non-standard decisions ... For consciousness is not blocked by prohibitions!
    2. Konstantin Yu
      Konstantin Yu 27 February 2016 10: 13
      +1
      About examples of science, production, music do not pass, they do not kill for good, We are waiting for examples in the studio ..
    3. bovig
      bovig 27 February 2016 10: 16
      +2
      By the way, when Suvorov took Izmail, whose garrison numbered 40 thousand, with 25 thousand troops - according to all the rules of military art, he simply did not have to do this (from the point of view of a professional!) And could not win! However, the story suggests otherwise !!!
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 27 February 2016 11: 04
        +1
        Exceptions only confirm the rules. recourse
      2. Ostwest
        Ostwest 27 February 2016 16: 17
        +2
        Just Suvorov A.V. and was a professional with a capital letter.
        Briefly and clearly explained the advantage of a professional: Not by number, but by ABILITY.
    4. bovig
      bovig 27 February 2016 10: 29
      0
      Quote: ArcanAG
      Which, incidentally, was confirmed by a well-known fact: ceteris paribus, the draft army will always defeat the hired (professional) at least due to the much higher motivation of the personnel.

      Ничего подобного.
      This is the same as saying that an amateur is always better than a specialist.
      Try to apply this statement to science, production, music, etc.

      In addition, the story, as a rule, shows the opposite.


      There is such a historical example that is not able to answer the question: which professional army defeated the non-professional guerrillas of Afghanistan? Yes, and not only Afghanistan!)))) So, regarding the history - you "went overboard" here ...)))
    5. Old old
      Old old 28 February 2016 01: 45
      0
      In addition, the story, as a rule, shows the opposite.

      Russian history just confirms the superiority of the draft army! And just due to motivation l / s.
      "There are many who want to fight for money, there are not many who want to die for money!" And for the Motherland?
  12. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 27 February 2016 09: 49
    +3
    In historical perspective, Georgia can maintain its independence only in alliance with Russia, as it was in the past ...
  13. black
    black 27 February 2016 11: 03
    12
    Being vassals of Russia is beneficial to the peoples, but not beneficial to the elites. Being vassals of the United States is beneficial to the elites, but not beneficial to the nations.
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 February 2016 11: 10
    +6
    By the way, the army was defeated, but what did it lead to? Practically useless. "Our Western partners" asked Putin to pretend that nothing had happened, and Putin agreed with pleasure. Well, the political fruits of the victory were not obtained, the achievements of the war were not recorded in any way, the defeated Georgia still claims to Ossetia and Abkhazia, the loser did not sign any agreements on their status. But, at least completely disarming the defeated enemy was it possible? Suppose there is no professional capable of drawing up and concluding a normal peace treaty, but then it was just necessary to give an order to the military for the complete removal of weapons, trophies are sacred, and what cannot be taken out is to blow everything up, it's easy. None of this happened either. Why fight, shed blood, if the country's leadership then stupidly and ineptly drains the results of any military victory?
    1. Ostwest
      Ostwest 27 February 2016 16: 21
      +2
      At that time, GlavkoVverkh was Medvedev, not Putin. Western partners knew this.
    2. Stena
      Stena 28 February 2016 00: 40
      0
      Tell me, do you have complete information to draw such conclusions?
      I heard that there was no official declaration of war. There was no order to attack Georgia and the Georgian army either. And that General Nikolai Yegorovich Makarov brought in troops at his own peril and risk. That is - it could be so - either the chest in the crosses, or - the head in the bushes ... So think further. And with A. Khramchikhin, the author of the article, I completely agree.
    3. Old old
      Old old 28 February 2016 01: 59
      0
      ... Virtually nothing. "Our Western Partners" asked Putin to pretend that nothing happened ...

      Putin and 08.08.08 leaked? Well, well ... You should at least google who was the President. Or is Putin responsible for everything and always, as in Ukraine, for example?
      Why fight, pour blood, if the country's leadership then stupidly and mediocrely merges the results of any military victory?

      Those. independent Abkhazia and South Ossetia "stupid and incompetent results"? Or was it necessary to occupy and feed Georgia amid the friendly howl and groans of the West and the liberals?
  15. Dart2027
    Dart2027 27 February 2016 11: 19
    0
    Quote: chunga-changa
    But at least it was possible to completely disarm the defeated enemy?

    What's the point? By themselves, their armed forces are not dangerous, and if the United States decides to arm them, they will arm them.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 27 February 2016 13: 33
      +2
      Not very dangerous and not at all dangerous - is there a difference?
      But not dangerous and completely demoralized?
      But not at all dangerous and completely demoralized. Signing an agreement on the recognition of independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Paying millions of compensation to the relatives of the murdered Russian peacekeepers and Ossetians. Paying indemnities to Russia and South Obkhazia for other losses. Introduced articles on the prohibition of the creation of the armed forces in the constitution. With a ban on joining NATO. With the creation of our base. With the creation of an extraterritorial corridor to Armenia? Do you feel the difference?
      All this could be done with the aggressor, completely defeated by the country. The winner of the war has the right to dictate any conditions to the vanquished, and if the representative of the vanquished does not accept them, the country is simply occupied and the board of the occupation administration is introduced. In America, any war won always ends with this. We do not have.
      "Our geniuses" decided that all this was unnecessary, it would somehow resolve itself.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 27 February 2016 14: 28
        0
        Quote: chunga-changa
        All this could be done with the aggressor, completely defeated by the country.

        The problem is that the United States was the real aggressor, and defeating them is problematic.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 27 February 2016 15: 44
          +2
          According to all the cunning plans - yes, America is everywhere, Obama personally all the drunks in his pants Wed .. t, and personally in 2008 attacked Tskhinvali. However, this did not stop taking Crimea in 2014. How it turns out - if there is a desire, everything turns out fine, if not - cunning plans begin and why it did not work, America ... Obama ... aliens ... bad dancers.
          If you don’t think that we can defeat the Georgian army, but cannot force it to the political world on our terms, then it’s enough to talk about the greatness of Russia, the second superpower and so on. Then it turns out you need to know your place and not go to adults?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 27 February 2016 18: 43
            0
            Quote: chunga-changa
            However, this did not stop to take Crimea in 2014

            In Crimea, almost 100% of the population’s support, plus there was a military infrastructure, plus special units were prepared for polite work. If for residents in Tskhinvali our people were saviors, then in Tbilisi the situation would be different, so if annexing Georgia, as some suggested, we would get hemorrhoids for decades to come.
            Quote: chunga-changa
            but we cannot force it to a political world on our terms

            There is no country like Georgia, the name is on the map, but there is no independent state. And Russia made peace, not with puppets, but with their master, who is not interested in the welfare of his pawns ...
            1. Senior manager
              Senior manager 27 February 2016 19: 15
              +1
              This is what I like about our Supreme, as it is a balanced and timely action. I think none of those present suggested that the air forces would conduct military operations on a large scale. The time has come - they have returned Crimea, the time has come - we are defending Syria, but Yugoslavia is sorry, it has not grown together. Everything has its time.
  16. Dmitriy_BY
    Dmitriy_BY 27 February 2016 11: 27
    0
    1. I once talked with an acquaintance who served under a contract in South Ossetia. There he communicated quite well with the local population. Earlier I heard and read from various media about Saakashvili's success in fighting corruption and about effective police reform. Since the reliability of these facts interested me very much. In a personal conversation, when I asked my acquaintance on this topic that "is it true that Saakashvili eradicated corruption and cleaned up the police", he looked at me like a fool and said: "What are you ?! What is it! bribes)! " When asked about the attitude of ordinary Georgians towards Saakashvili, he said that "ordinary Georgians hate him." 2. In 2003 the USA donated 12 Apache helicopters to Georgia. In this article, this fact and their further fate are not mentioned. They say that they seem to have been destroyed by Russian aircraft on the very first day at the airport.
  17. NIKNN
    NIKNN 27 February 2016 12: 00
    +4
    Georgian special forces on a mission. All gathered, not only the most important commando Vano. An hour later, Vano appears. “Listen, Vano, why so long?” - Yes, you panimil, set an alarm for eight, prasnulsa, pamysla, pael, adelsa, picked up an automatic machine, made a war paint, went to the mirror and ..... you don’t believe it, crap !!!
  18. mayhem
    mayhem 27 February 2016 12: 19
    +3
    They have only one way out: to join the CSTO and not rack their brains, do what they love, trade for the joy of everyone, live and enjoy, right now Russia will let themselves run (
    1. denis02135
      denis02135 27 February 2016 15: 57
      +1
      Dear Mayhem

      You say to join the CSTO, but what should they do with South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
  19. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 27 February 2016 14: 36
    +3
    Do not console yourself with hopes that Georgia cannot be admitted to NATO! If they want, they will accept Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine! They write the rules for themselves, and international law is the destiny of the weak!
  20. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps 27 February 2016 15: 04
    +1
    .... Motivation? ... The Georgians?! ...
    I remembered the film "Soldier's Father" .... Now I will revise ...
  21. Type 63
    Type 63 27 February 2016 17: 57
    0
    "in the gigantic combat power of NATO and its aggressive nature" - and what, is NATO white and fluffy?
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 27 February 2016 19: 04
      +1
      Quote: Type 63
      Is NATO White and Fluffy?


      I agree, an unsuccessful turn: they have enough aggressive essence, just their brains are not so frostbitten, and most importantly - a point not iron, to communicate with Russia!
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  22. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps 27 February 2016 19: 28
    0
    ... We rushed in ... "Genatsvale! Maybe ukrtsavad will move away ..." "Who?" yes! and chacha ... we will not touch you ... "Are you in charge of the commander?! ..." I give a grudge not to leave the place .... - "Swear by my mother!" - I have no mother ....- bring down - you have no options - we will burn
  23. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 27 February 2016 23: 11
    0
    Quote: Sensatus
    Small states do not need an army, but competent diplomacy and friendship with a strong neighbor. But the Georgians have not yet understood this.

    But what about Israel? ))) And the state is small and God forbid neighbors ... And they don’t have so many resources, but they destroy the armies which surpass Israel by the quantity and quality of weapons ...
    1. Kolaaps
      Kolaaps 28 February 2016 01: 33
      0
      This is until the first good kick. Resources are mobile reserves ....- shandets .. fuel shells bandages water water !!! ... and without US support - .... sit quietly ... and don't stink
  24. chikod
    chikod 28 February 2016 10: 50
    +1
    Quote: Sensatus
    Small states do not need an army, but competent diplomacy and friendship with a strong neighbor. But the Georgians have not yet understood this.

    We understood and just because we understood that we want to keep our distance from you.
    1. Kolaaps
      Kolaaps 28 February 2016 15: 02
      0
      ... The blood is the blood of my haze ... No one will mention those cases .... I ate it ... fkuss-spesfiss ... The heat of a fly, the smell of cordite ... drink, drink cartridges ... and it's a pancake Georgians? !! "Sergeant Makharashvili"? !!! .... I will not forgive
  25. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps 28 February 2016 14: 29
    0
    Israel? .... Hmmm ... Against all this Arab riflemen? .... The question of days, if not hours - there will not even be a spray and no Negev will help them .... they also came up with a doomsday weapon ...
  26. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 28 February 2016 15: 01
    0
    Quote: chikod
    We understood and just because we understood that we want to keep our distance from you.

    So hold on, only in silence, or even to a big bear, you can eventually get tired of the constant barking and howling of all mongrels.
    1. chikod
      chikod 28 February 2016 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: Alget87

      So hold on, only in silence, or even to a big bear, you can eventually get tired of the constant barking and howling of all mongrels.

      Ok, thanks for the tip.