OPK will begin production of modernized radio stations, significantly accelerating the transfer of information

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"United Instrument-Making Corporation" this year will begin mass production of digital radio stations Р-168-25У for the Ground Forces, which in 8 will speed up data transmission, reports MIC with reference to the press service of the company.

OPK will begin production of modernized radio stations, significantly accelerating the transfer of information


“The new equipment significantly increases the maximum data transfer rate and significantly reduces the battle command and control cycle under military operations. The radio station is designed for installation on mobile military equipment - tracked or wheeled, used to ensure the functioning of various control systems of military formations, ”the release says.

It is noted that "in the development of applied technology of the last generation."

“In particular, it is based on a modern software-defined platform (SDR), due to which the mass of products is reduced and the communication characteristics are improved. Compared with the previous radio models, the P-168-25U has significantly increased the maximum data transfer rate, due to which the speed of transmitted commands and other information has increased eightfold in military control networks, the press service said.

“In modern wars, every second is of paramount importance. The equipment, which is developed and produced by our concern "Constellation", increases the efficiency of tactical combat operations management, - said deputy general director of the defense industry, Sergei Skokov. - At the same time, the upgraded radio station provides a new level of communication protection from electronic warfare and electronic intelligence. Software-defined platform has virtually unlimited potential for further product upgrades. It allows you to change the configuration and characteristics of the radio station without interfering with the design, only due to new versions of the software "firmware". This approach significantly increases the service life of equipment, reduces the cost of its operation and, most importantly, makes it possible, in fact, to improve and modify military communications equipment, practically non-stop.
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  1. +7
    26 February 2016 18: 20
    It’s good that such cool radio stations will begin to arrive in the troops, because they are very welcome there.
    1. +4
      26 February 2016 18: 32
      The USSR, Russia always had communication problems .. (and big losses, respectively) I hope this time, everything will be clear ...
      1. +8
        26 February 2016 19: 33
        Quote: MASK
        The USSR, Russia have always had problems with communication .. (

        Served an urgent connection .. What specific problems are we talking about? in our part there was an ICP, OPRC (space communications) ..
        and at the same time explain .. If you have a wonderful connection ..
        Then, in accordance with the classical theory of captures, American and Canadian forces landed at two points on the western coast of Kyski at once. On this day, American warships shelled the island eight times, dropped 135 tons of bombs and piles of leaflets calling for surrender to the island. But the Japanese stubbornly did not want to give up, which, however, did not surprise the American command. The island was completely empty, but the Americans believed that the insidious enemy was hiding and was waiting for close combat.

        For two days, the Americans fought their way around the island with fights, shooting at their neighbors with fear, mistaking them for the Japanese. And, still not believing themselves, for eight days, American soldiers combed the island, rummaging through every cave and turning over every stone, looking for "hidden" cunning Japanese soldiers. Then they calculated the losses in the capture of their island. There were more than 300 of them killed and wounded.

        31 American soldiers died due to the so-called "friendly fire", sincerely believing that the Japanese were shooting, another fifty were injured in the same way. About 130 soldiers were knocked out of action due to frostbite of the feet and "trench foot" - a fungal infection of the feet, which contributed to the constant humidity and cold. In addition, the American destroyer Abner Reed was blown up on a Japanese mine, on board of which 47 people were killed and more than 70 were injured.
        1. PKK
          +2
          27 February 2016 02: 00
          Creating an interference-free communication is a big deal. But this communication must be in sufficient quantity so that the commander has his own, rather than running around the district with a question, do you have a connection here?
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    2. +4
      26 February 2016 18: 48
      t-90 in Syria remained intact after a missile hit
    3. +5
      26 February 2016 19: 06
      Quote: Giant thought
      It’s good that such cool radio stations will begin to arrive in the troops, because they are very welcome there.

      I will say more, secure and fast communication and data transfer in the troops at the present stage of development of command and control is almost a paramount technical component of the modern army! Good luck and success to our radio engineers, and most likely new to the troops!
  2. +11
    26 February 2016 18: 22
    Absolutely positive news! The experience of the initial period of the Great Patriotic War has clearly shown that in no case should one be cool with communications in the troops. Information is the AIR AND BREAD of the modern army! "Who owns the information, he owns the world."
    1. +2
      26 February 2016 20: 35
      Quote: Proxima
      Absolutely positive news! The experience of the initial period of the Great Patriotic War has clearly shown that in no case should one be cool with communications in the troops. Information is the AIR AND BREAD of the modern army! "Who owns the information, he owns the world."

      I think this is the experience of a later clash with the Georgian army with the capture of Harris radio stations
      1. +1
        26 February 2016 20: 57
        Judging by this captured radio station, ours is lagging behind it for a whole generation.
        1. 0
          26 February 2016 23: 08
          And we have special, special last generations, only for domestic consumption.
        2. 0
          27 February 2016 01: 48
          Quote: Vadim237
          Judging by this captured radio station, ours is lagging behind it for a whole generation.

          What are the signs of this conclusion?
          1. 0
            27 February 2016 10: 29
            Using this radio station, you can direct artillery, aviation - in target illumination mode, this radio station is portable, and with a fairly functional display - our radio station is larger and heavier.
  3. +8
    26 February 2016 18: 25
    Although I’m a former one, I’m still a radio operator and I just can’t understand how the PCT, by itself, can accelerate data transfer by 8 times ?! belay Or is it about terminal equipment? request
    1. +4
      26 February 2016 18: 29
      Most likely we are talking about the transmission of voice commands over closed channels ...
      1. +2
        26 February 2016 18: 35
        Quote: yuriy55
        Most likely we are talking about the transmission of voice commands over closed channels ...

        Everything is already there, well, reduce the size of the PCT, well, improve the quality of communication, well, increase reliability. But how can a voice command transmitted in real time to VHF be transmitted faster?
        1. +11
          26 February 2016 18: 45
          Quote: Vladimirets
          But how can a voice command transmitted in real time to VHF be transmitted faster?

          Did you hear the operation of the closed channel on the air? A kind of gurgle ... For the correspondent to understand the voice transmission, it was necessary to speak slowly in the ZAS mode. As a result, on the second radio station, the radio operator received decrypted speech, but ... slow. In modern combat, the transfer of such teams is tantamount to defeat. A different method of signal coding is used here, and you can talk quickly, as in normal mode. Only the enemy, without such equipment, will understand nothing, and when he decrypts, the message will lose its relevance ...
          Something like this ... Yes
          1. +1
            26 February 2016 18: 53
            Quote: yuriy55
            Have you heard the operation of the closed channel on air?

            I’m just a WUS radio telegraph operator. bully
            Quote: yuriy55
            For the correspondent to understand the voice transmission, it was necessary to speak slowly in the ZAS mode.

            The main thing was to speak clearly and clearly. Yes
            Quote: yuriy55
            As a result, on the second radio station, the radio operator received decrypted speech, but ... slow. In modern combat, the transfer of such teams is tantamount to defeat. A different method of signal coding is used here, and you can talk quickly, as in normal mode. Only the enemy, without such equipment, will understand nothing, and when he decrypts, the message will lose its relevance ...

            I worked, inter alia, on ZAS telephone equipment, called one spring flower by March 8, where the speech was quite quick and intelligible.
          2. -4
            26 February 2016 18: 54
            This is just a radio station. Not closed communication equipment (ZAS). Nothing is encoded in it.
            1. +3
              26 February 2016 19: 07
              Quote: igopot
              This is just a radio station. Not closed communication equipment (ZAS). Nothing is encoded in it.

              Well, right, I don’t even know how to say:
              1. +1
                26 February 2016 19: 46
                Clause 1.2 is not a ZAS, but a broadband (a la GBSH).
            2. +3
              26 February 2016 19: 38
              Quote: igopot
              At the same time, the upgraded radio station provides a new level of communication protection from electronic warfare equipment and electronic intelligence.

              At the same time, the upgraded radio station provides a new level of communication protection from electronic warfare equipment and electronic intelligence.
      2. 0
        26 February 2016 19: 34
        It's about data transfer. This is not colloquial speech. Sorry for the pun.
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    2. +7
      26 February 2016 18: 33
      I am also a former signalman)
      work with channels seems to be accelerated, more in automatic mode
      this news pleases, without communication anywhere, communication-control of troops, good luck to our defense industry)
      1. 0
        26 February 2016 18: 37
        Quote: Huan Karlos
        I am also a former signalman

        Hi colleague, I’m navy. hi
        Quote: Huan Karlos
        work with channels seems to be accelerated, more in automatic mode

        Well, maybe until you put the channel. crying
        Quote: Huan Karlos
        without communication anywhere, communication-control of troops

        There is no doubt.
        Quote: iliitch
        8 times that way they’ll start talking

        Judging by the news, that’s it. smile
      2. +3
        26 February 2016 18: 44
        Quote: Huan Karlos
        work with channels seems to be accelerated, more in automatic mode

        No. This is a portable radio station - read for armored vehicles. This refers to data transfer. For example, get a map on a laptop as a tank company commander?
        In general, here is her performance characteristics.
        http://www.sozvezdie.su/catalog/r16825ue/
    3. +3
      26 February 2016 18: 33
      Once in about 8 commanders will begin to speak faster. Why call a data device a radio station?
      1. gjv
        0
        27 February 2016 08: 28
        Quote: iliitch
        Once in about 8 commanders will begin to speak faster. Why call a data device a radio station?

        Quote: Tol100v
        Compressing information is very simple, at least eight times, at least eight hundred eighty eighty times, but the speed of propagation of radio waves, as well as the speed of light, has never been able to overtake anyone! Even to Great Einstein!

        Comrades, guys, it’s not about overtaking Einstein with tongue twisters.
        The new station can operate on 8 pre-prepared channels (ZPC) to make it difficult to intercept a communication session. And if the stations of the previous generation switched on the ZPK grid in 1 s, then the new ones switch in 0,1 s.
        Try a simple experiment. It is "inverse", but clear, like "Guess the melody". Turn on any audio source with a stopwatch in hand, then turn off after 8 seconds. Now turn it on for 0,8 seconds and feel the difference in the amount of information received. In the first case, you will most likely hear words and notes, and you will recognize the song. In the second - recourse . (It’s more convenient on a computer, most players show timing, some with fractions of a second.)
        Thus, saving 7,2 seconds of talk time over a 10 second session can be very important. For example, you dictate "Return to Berlin" (encryption to Stirlitz bully ) on the telephone channel with a two-digit digital code. On the old PC, you may not have time to send "to Berlin" and Stirlitz will not know where to return to (a joke, of course Stirlitz is not stupid, he will guess, but other dudes need to be targeted more precisely). hi
    4. +2
      26 February 2016 18: 44
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Although I’m a former one, I’m still a radio operator and I just can’t understand how the PCT, by itself, can accelerate data transfer by 8 times ?!

      No way! I will add that there are no "exes"! Compressing information is very simple, at least eight times, at least eight hundred and eighty-eight times, but the speed of propagation of radio waves, like the speed of light, has not yet been overtaken by anyone! Even the Great Einstein!
      1. +3
        26 February 2016 19: 52
        Quote: Tol100v
        No way! I will add that there are no "exes"! Compressing information is very simple, at least eight times, at least eight hundred and eighty-eight times, but the speed of propagation of radio waves, like the speed of light, has not yet been overtaken by anyone! Even the Great Einstein!

        At the same time, the upgraded radio station provides a new level of communication protection from electronic warfare equipment and electronic intelligence.
        maybe this is the key feature of this station, if you remember how it was before and how the broadcast began in the "B" mode (we called Boris)) - raaaz dvaa triii, triii dvaa raaaz bul bul, raaaz dvaa bul, so while you heat it up so real behind the back there is already akhtung akhtung (joke), that is, while she is at the same time, until they receive it and then ask again and then clarify, it takes a lot of time. P.S. I'm not a radio operator, I drove KShM in 95, so excuse my brothers if I sleep somewhere ... l smile
      2. 0
        27 February 2016 12: 11
        And you never had a question, why does the speed of mobile Internet increase while maintaining the speed of propagation of radio waves?
    5. +2
      26 February 2016 18: 46
      Quote: Vladimirets
      I just can’t understand how the PCT, by itself, can speed up data transfer by 8 times ?! belay request

      Yes you are right (there are no former radio operators -)) The description is not exact just, do not cling to words ...
    6. 0
      26 February 2016 19: 15
      Either press the buttons faster or the speed of light corrected fellow
    7. gjv
      +4
      26 February 2016 19: 30
      Quote: Vladimirets
      how can the PCT, by itself, accelerate data transfer by 8 times ?! Or is it about terminal equipment?

      Quote: yuriy55
      Most likely we are talking about the transmission of voice commands over closed channels ...


      Radio station R-168-25U-2 (RS-25)

      Digital signal from on-board electronic devices with RS-232 ...
      RS, with MK working with equipment АВСКУ ITNYA.468369.048, provide simultaneous operation on ten temporary channels when pairing at joints C2.



      Radio station transportable VHF of a range R-168-25U

      Work on 8 pre-prepared channels (ZPK).
    8. 0
      27 February 2016 08: 10
      I can’t understand myself winked (Former electronic warfare). "The first, the first, I am the second" ..... and what is there to accelerate by 8 times? wink
    9. 0
      27 February 2016 12: 07
      Quote: Vladimirets
      how can the PCT, by itself, accelerate data transfer by 8 times ?!

      Data. Figures. The same r / st for cars / armored objects
  4. +3
    26 February 2016 18: 25
    Such news can not but rejoice, because communication is the basis of any successful operation and any new items sharply increase the combat effectiveness of our army. Now faster and more such systems in the troops.
    1. 0
      26 February 2016 18: 37
      Only the control panel needs to be finalized.
      1. +2
        26 February 2016 19: 36
        There is no disk dialer, finalized :)
  5. +5
    26 February 2016 18: 28
    I am delighted! I remember the stretching of phrases during transmission on P-123, P-130, P-111 in a closed mode. In our case, the transmission speed has increased. Faster get a command and understand - faster complete the task ... good
    1. +2
      26 February 2016 19: 59
      laughing if memory doesn’t change then 130th tuned to the channel with sounds ph-ph-phx, we guys said now the hedgehog will come and the connection will be laughing
  6. +2
    26 February 2016 18: 31
    It is good that it is fully compatible with other means of communication of the P-168 family adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as with promising sixth-generation radio stations.
    1. +2
      26 February 2016 18: 35
      I understand that the principle here is such that for radio stations of different capacities, the basis is the firmware of the program. The signal coding system is fundamentally different than in special equipment such as T-2 ... As a result, we obtain a connection of temporary durability (possibly guaranteed) with faster decryption of messages ... request
      1. gjv
        +2
        26 February 2016 19: 58
        Quote: yuriy55
        As a result, we obtain a connection of time stability (possibly guaranteed) with faster decryption of messages ...

        Telephone with technical masking of voice information at a speed of 16 kbit / s.
        Transmission and reception of data with technical masking at speeds from 1,2 to 16 kbit / s.
  7. +3
    26 February 2016 18: 35
    Radio engineers - go ahead! Good luck to your colleagues! They can do a lot more.
  8. 0
    26 February 2016 18: 36
    Interestingly, what do we put in our RXM-6 over the past three years, piece copies?
  9. 0
    26 February 2016 18: 42
    but a little more?
  10. 0
    26 February 2016 18: 50
    Quote: i80186
    Quote: Huan Karlos
    work with channels seems to be accelerated, more in automatic mode

    No. This is a portable radio station - read for armored vehicles. This refers to data transfer. For example, get a map on a laptop as a tank company commander?

    Exactly! only the transmission speed of large amounts of information ... And the spread of the theory. Kotelnikova! all communication works on it!
  11. 0
    26 February 2016 18: 59
    I, too, the communications officer of the morgpogran БЧ4 served in the late 2000s, and so we constantly broke tangents and microphones, and in themselves they were unreliable, although the p630 communication device itself worked almost without fail. Interestingly, these new duplex phones or everything is also as usual simplex
    1. 0
      26 February 2016 19: 08
      Depending on the configuration, plus a microphone headset.
  12. +3
    26 February 2016 19: 09
    I am not a radio operator, although I had to work on the 123rd, let alone the portable P-5 (7,8) as much as I want. It is possible that everything was done correctly and the data transfer speed has increased due to "smart" programs and firmware. This is all great in peacetime, but why does no one talk about the element base of radio stations? Are all microcircuits, chips and so on - are they also our developments or imported? If they are imported, then I see the difficulties with the repair and adjustment of these stations in the conditions of termination of supplies. And who knows the capabilities of "imported tablets"? If in the West they say chips appeared on their own in a de-energized mode, communicating with the "owner". So will the teams go both ways here? Oh, doubtful something. belay
    Who knows for sure - develop doubts.
    1. +2
      26 February 2016 20: 03
      Quote: russmensch
      If they are imported, then I see the difficulties with the repair and adjustment of these stations in the conditions of termination of supplies. And who knows the capabilities of "imported tablets"? If in the West they say chips appeared on their own in a de-energized mode, communicating with the "owner". So will the teams go both ways here? Oh, doubtful something.
      Who knows for sure - develop doubts.

      Well, it’s like we weren’t fools in our Moscow region and they probably heard it smile , I reassured you, dispelled doubts? smile
    2. gjv
      +4
      26 February 2016 20: 35
      Quote: russmensch
      microcircuits, chips, etc. - these are also our developments

      Chip K1365PA1T - sound digital-to-analog converter
      Chip K1365HB1T - radio frequency path for receiving a HF signal
      Chip K1365HB2U - Demodulator-Decoder DRM Signal
      The DRM chipset is a VLSI kit for building a DRM signal receiver. Structure:
      - VLSI tuner;
      - VLSI demodulator / decoder DRM receiver;
      - VLSI audio DAC;
      - external filter of the first inverter;
      - SF (IP) block ADC (analog-to-digital converter);
      - SF (IP) -blocks DDS (digital frequency synthesizer);
      - SF (IP) units ODFM with QAM-2, -4, -16, -64, -256;
      - SF (IP) blocks FFT / IFFT;
      - VHF digital RPU remote control;
      - Radiation-resistant VLSI specialized signal processing processor for communication systems for special purposes;
      - Analog-digital VLSI single-chip radio receiving device for remote control of telemechanics and telemetry objects;
      - SF (IP) blocks of DSP - signal processing processors implemented using ultra-low power consumption technology;
      - SF (IP) -blocks of Viterbi, Reed-Solomon, BCH, LDPC, Reed-Miler decoders;
      - SF (IP) blocks of multimedia decoders JPEG, H.264, AAC, CELP, HVXC;
      - SF (IP) -blocks of correlators;
      - SF (IP) -units LNA radio frequencies;
      - SF (IP) -units of radio frequency mixers for superheterodyne clock cycles;
      - SF (IP) blocks of operational amplifiers;
      - SF (IP) -blocks of serial interfaces I2S, I2C, SPI, USB, CAN, LIN, Ethernet and a number of others upon request. hi
      1. 0
        27 February 2016 14: 33
        In wearable and automobile - imported power amplifiers (like Motorola), and Chinese batteries! And you wrote the rest correctly!
    3. VP
      0
      26 February 2016 22: 36
      Our. Despite the conviction of the opposite, we do a lot of things in the element base. Just offhand - google Mikran, Baikal, etc.
  13. +2
    26 February 2016 19: 13
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Although I’m a former one, I’m still a radio operator and I just can’t understand how the PCT, by itself, can accelerate data transfer by 8 times ?! belay Or is it about terminal equipment? request


    Most likely there are difficulties in the technical understanding of Skokov’s words by the correspondent. Of course, we could talk about the fact that the speed of cryptography of a speech (or other) signal and its restoration on the receiving side increased 8 times. In reality, this can be expressed by a decrease in the total delay of several seconds. Another thing is important - the communication can be mono-channel and at the same time several operators and their subscribers can work simultaneously in the channel without interfering with each other.
  14. gcn
    0
    26 February 2016 19: 51
    I carried the P-159 in the army on explosions and felt like a bun with it, the total weight of the equipment was kg.50. And now the question is how much the modern radio station platoon-unit or LDPE weighs now.
  15. 0
    26 February 2016 20: 05
    Quote: gcn
    I carried the P-159 in the army on explosions and felt like a bun with it, the total weight of the equipment was kg.50. And now the question is how much the modern radio station platoon-unit or LDPE weighs now.


    You had to drag the battery + frame + case, and the essence of -p / c weighed 2-5kg.
  16. VP
    +1
    26 February 2016 22: 29
    I recognize the Soviet design of the native army equipment.
    A person who is well versed in ergonomics and design will never be allowed to the development process as a potential enemy of the homeland. )
  17. +2
    26 February 2016 22: 34
    Friends, ambivalent feeling. Judge for yourself - my native plant was the first to master the serial production of R-168-25U radio stations since 2000 (!!!). In the photo from our website, this particular version of the product. Yes, this is the development of the Constellation Concern. This is, relatively speaking, the "first" generation of the "Aqueduct" complex. Today, versions are being produced, if not two generations higher, but let's say "++".
    Judge for yourself. When putting on supply of a fundamentally new product, they cannot keep the old name. Or is it a bluff or profonation. If you save the hardware, changing only the software product (firmware) will not achieve much. Why didn't anyone sign the article? What are "8 times"? The author's answer. I minus the article ...
  18. +2
    26 February 2016 22: 49
    168 complex of communications, the development of the early 90s, then it was shown in pictures, and it happened to be seen on equipment in 2011 !!! Such is the "novelty"!
    1. 0
      27 February 2016 10: 32
      Junk is already morally and physically obsolete.
  19. 0
    27 February 2016 05: 01
    Now, after all, all means of communication are involved in a network-centric structure.
    That is, it is possible that when transmitting your speech, there is an additional transmission
    your current coordinates, for example. Or data from a surveillance camera,
    There are a lot of such people hanging on new equipment.
    Thus, the actual location and movement of equipment in this
    squared. That is, communication now is not only voice transmission.
    This is target designation and reconnaissance, and more.
  20. 0
    27 February 2016 10: 42
    I’ve been proposing for a long time, but they don’t hear me ... Switch to converting speech to text and spelling it in character mode (the word HELLO is only six bytes). On the opposite side, the text is converted into speech and reproduced by the speech synthesizer. Their quality is excellent today. If it can be called an alternative speech compression, then this compression reaches 1000. Our generals above do not need anything. If they don’t know something, then it scares them.
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  22. 0
    27 February 2016 17: 54
    Expensive "toys". Consider the poles. Globally, nuclear weapons will quickly break down. In a special war, the use of walkie-talkies is suicide, only hours and radio silence. Where does it work? In "civilian life", a la Ukraine-Syria, or in the fighting of the strong against the weak.
    1. 0
      27 February 2016 18: 25
      All our military equipment is protected from EMR - we have been worried about this for a long time.
  23. 0
    27 February 2016 18: 58
    Faced with the "miracle" of radio engineering, the guys kind of called him "Vertex" or something like that. Plastic rubbish, at a distance of 4-5 km they could not establish a connection. But with the old "Granite" installed in the car, there were no problems, in the end they kept in touch through it. But the "Granites" in real affairs, too, thank God. So there is little normal communication in our troops, and there are no mobile radio stations at all, not just good ones, but stupidly and cynically - NORMAL.
    1. 0
      28 February 2016 01: 01
      Everything will do with a drone repeater. 12 km in the taiga takes;)

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