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Plans for the revival of the Soviet submarine "Lira" found a response in the Western press

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The National Interest magazine, citing Lenta.ru, published an article entitled “The Hunt for the Next Red October: Russia Creates a New Deadly Submarine,” which notes that a possible resurgence of Project Lira 705 (705K) will force fidget american leadership fleet.


Plans for the revival of the Soviet submarine "Lira" found a response in the Western press


“Submarines of the 705 (705K) project“ Lyra ”are known in the West primarily as the main antagonist in the film“ The Hunt for Red October ”. This submarine had no analogues in the world at the time of construction in 70 of the last century. Innovative durable titanium the hull allowed the ship to accelerate to 45 nodes, and the Lyra’s crew consisted of only 32 people thanks to the automation of some processes, ”the author quotes Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

The newspaper reminds that yesterday the Russian edition of Lenta.ru, referring to a source in the military-industrial complex, published information that the Lyra project could be revived, but at a more modern level: the possibility of building robotic submarines is being considered.

“It is not at all necessary to build a completely revolutionary boat, as was done on the 705 project, where an innovative liquid metal coolant reactor, highly automated equipment, and a number of other innovations, including a titanium alloy hull, were used at the same time. A more rational way seems to be the creation of a robot submarine of a usual displacement for this class on the basis of developed technical solutions with increasing automation. The crew of such a submarine can be reduced to 50-55, and later to 30-40 people, “- said the source.

Help "WG": "The submarines of the projects 705, 705K "Lira" - Soviet nuclear submarines. The immediate destination - the destruction of enemy submarines. It is the world's only serial design of a nuclear submarine in a reactor with a liquid-metal coolant. ”
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  1. Michael67
    Michael67 26 February 2016 14: 27
    53
    Goldfish - a new life!
    Make changes in noise and weapons.
    staff diapers will be in bales with them to carry.
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 26 February 2016 14: 29
      77
      "... good feelings I" Leroy "awakened" (forced, modern) - AS Pushkin, free-thinking appeal-edification to the Americans! good
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 26 February 2016 14: 38
        21
        Quote: Pravdarm
        "... good feelings I" Leroy "awakened" - AS Pushkin, free-thinking appeal-edification to the Americans! good

        ... there are still on the way "Rubezh" and "Sarmat" with warheads of a new type ... the mattress mats, ondako are in full sadness ... and no missile defense system in Europe will save them ... bully
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 February 2016 21: 42
        31
        Quote: Pravdarm
        "... good feelings I" Leroy "awakened" (forced, modern) - A.S. Pushkin,

        Good evening, Yurich! You know, and you are not far from the truth: Pushkin is even very "with it!"
        "Construction of an experimental submarine pr. 705 (K-64) with YAR OK-550 was started in the slipway of the Leningrad Admiralty Association on June 2, 1968. On April 22, 1969, the ship was launched. At the end of 1971, it arrived at the base in Zapadnaya Litsa. and on December 31 he entered service with the Northern Fleet, joining the 1st flotilla of the 3rd submarine division. The first commander of the "K-64" was Captain 1st Rank A.S. Pushkin ".
        (http://xn----7sbb5ahj4aiadq2m.xn--p1ai/guide/navy/pl/mpl/705.shtml)
        1. KakoVedi
          KakoVedi 27 February 2016 00: 31
          +4
          But Comrade Abbasov "took off" all the foam!
          1. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 27 February 2016 18: 23
            12
            Rear Admiral Abbasov, a graduate of VVMUPP (then First Baltic), Hero of the Soviet Union, died 20 years ago ... And Captain 1st Rank (Rear Admiral) Pushkin Alexander Sergeevich once headed the Sea Collection ... Worthy commanders ...
            It was a beautiful ship. I was ahead of my time. The idea is excellent, but the technologies and technological discipline did not hold out, or rather, they were not worked out to the end. Stumbled upon "Gorbachevism" ... I saw them "alive" in 1988 ..
        2. Exsubmariner
          Exsubmariner 27 February 2016 22: 33
          +2
          Again the "tractor driver" inserts his 5 kopecks. OK-550 - PPU brand, not YAR!
    2. demo
      demo 26 February 2016 14: 36
      -54 qualifying.
      How to make changes in the fact that a breaker was walking on the surface at the maximum speed of the boat?
      Where to put it?
      The complete disguise. Seen from space.
      And why then fight over speed indicators?
      1. Pig
        Pig 26 February 2016 14: 56
        23
        "" Complete unmasking. Seen from space ""
        in general, the submarine should go under water ... and not arrange races on the surface
        1. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 28 February 2016 01: 21
          10
          Quote: Pig
          in general, the submarine should go under water ... and not arrange races on the surface

          Actually, if she goes underwater at 45 knots, there will be a breaker on the surface. But such nuclear submarines were not intended for long-distance cruises, the boat calmly, imperceptibly went at low speed ... And she developed a high speed (I will say even more, such submarines could almost turn around on the spot!), When she attacked, even the deaf heard then the noise of her propellers ... But ... those "partners" who would have heard her would not have had time to hear anything else in life, because her weapons were also the best in the world at that time.
      2. gergi
        gergi 26 February 2016 15: 04
        39
        When such a boat goes at full speed, she also yells at the whole ocean. But why would she have full speed with a breaker and a roar during normal patrols? But at the critical moment of the attack or evasion, she has no equal. At cruising speed, it is quite secretive to itself.
      3. Alexandr-NVR
        Alexandr-NVR 26 February 2016 15: 19
        36
        Quote: demo
        How to make changes in the fact that a breaker was walking on the surface at the maximum speed of the boat?
        Where to put it?
        The complete disguise. Seen from space.
        And why then fight over speed indicators?

        Oh, I was wondering how the potential enemy’s nuclear submarines are detected ... It turns out from the satellites on the breaker in the water position. Where did you get what you wrote here?
        The submarine is on combat patrol and pops up a few times, there can be no talk of cruising in the surface, not to mention that this is simply not logical, because the speed in the underwater position is always higher.
        As for the ascent ... rarely, on very good. for a short time, in the absence (flight tables are available) of enemy satellites overhead and the absence of boats in a visible environment. This by itself does not apply to emergency ascent.
        Something you got excited with your expert statement.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 29 February 2016 13: 48
          +1
          Quote: Alexandr-NVR
          Where did you get what you wrote here?

          Take your time to write without thinking. The methodology for searching and detecting a submarine, going at a depth, according to the perturbation of the water surface, has long been developed. This is what demo says.
      4. sir_obs
        sir_obs 26 February 2016 16: 07
        32
        The maximum speed on the surface of the boat was never developed, although of course you can try it. In Gremikha, the bow mooring team was washed off overboard as long as they tried. The surface of the atomic ship leaves the base and dives, and pops up on the way back, not far from the base point. And on patrols go 6-8 knots, so as not to make noise and not to jam yourself with an oncoming stream. Speed ​​is needed in order to quickly change the area or break away from the enemy. 705 the project easily left the torpedo, having such maneuverable characteristics and speed, and the goavoy could give a full turn almost instantly.
      5. SG11
        SG11 26 February 2016 19: 05
        +7
        in fact, "on the surface at maximum speed" breakers for all submarines, including staff
      6. otter.1
        otter.1 27 February 2016 21: 00
        +1
        Are you even aware of the topic? Immediately I remember the movie "The Rock": Who is this? Well, you don't know a damn thing, when you were born, I raised people to attack "Something like this, I did not quote exactly, but the meaning is the same. What kind of breaker is unmasking? This is not a WWII boat (with their depths up to 100m) but a modern ship. No words ...
    3. just exp
      just exp 26 February 2016 14: 42
      +7
      Goldfish - a new life!
      Make changes in noise and weapons.
      staff diapers will be in bales with them to carry.

      but how to give new life to boats that have been cut for a long time?
      invent a time machine and send for Lyrami?
      Americans corrupted the news that they want to do nuclear submarines with maximum automation, and Lyra’s main topic was not automation but speed, and God forbid it.
      there will be ordinary boats, just part of the crew will be replaced by automation.
      In general, Americans, as always, lie.
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 26 February 2016 14: 43
      36
      Pampers have nothing to do with it. The fighters are not worried because they are afraid of the attack of their fleet. They are afraid of our submarine fleet because they remember the kriegsmarine and tons of supplies sunk by the Germans. Shipping is the basis of the strength of Anglo-Saxons from all their countries - the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, as well as their vassal of Japan. And IN THE CASE OF A SCALE WAR WILL BE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. It is control over these shipments that requires such huge fleets of sea powers in the first place. And they are not afraid of the attacks of our surface ships of their fleet, but of the fact that our submarines will begin to frolic on their sea routes. Mattresses will not be able to fully protect the ocean paths, which means they will have to spend a lot of money to strengthen their protection. And of course, the most dangerous for them are our multi-purpose apl, which are not tied to fuel supply, and can get food and other supplies anywhere in the world’s oceans. HERE AND EXPERIENCING THE ANGLOSAXES - THE ALARM IS BEAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE THE CONTRAMERS THEREFORE THINKING NOW.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 26 February 2016 15: 26
        +3
        Quote: g1v2
        Pampers have nothing to do with it.

        And submarines all the more! Destroying the arrogant Saxon logistics is much easier using other means of destruction, rather than the most expensive boats designed for other purposes!
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 26 February 2016 17: 15
          +1
          Well, personally, I do not observe other means more effective and safe against sea routes of supply. Ready to listen.
          1. KakoVedi
            KakoVedi 27 February 2016 00: 34
            +2
            Any way has a beginning and an end! Maybe it’s better to work with endpoints ?!
          2. ver_
            ver_ 27 February 2016 15: 33
            +2
            ... it’s not the speed of the submarine that determines the safety of the submarine, but silence, the depth of immersion, their number and modern equipment ..
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 February 2016 22: 16
        +3
        Quote: g1v2
        The mattresses will not be able to fully protect the ocean paths, which means they will have to spend a lot of money to strengthen their protection ... THERE ARE THEM TO CONTROL THEM ALREADY NOW.
        So it seems like they have already found such a way. It is called "Mobile area PLO". This is when the ships gather in a KON, which is guarded around the lines (long-range, medium, short and self-defense) by PLO forces: aircraft, anti-submarine (multipurpose) PLA, NK-plo. And all this "structure" with the speed of the slowest transport moves along the route, bypassing the curtains of submarines, possible MZM-A. This system was worked out by the Saxons during WW2. They also trained during the XB years. I think they will start training now too. Although more and more they give preference to high-speed military transports following the lines, with a minimum speed of 20 knots or more. You will not immediately intercept this if it does not go through your area. The displacement of the curtain will be associated with high speeds of the submarine transition, which seriously reduces their stealth.
        In order not to get hit by the plark, amam will have to strain his Air Transport Command ... But this is many times more expensive than fleet transport.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 27 February 2016 00: 50
          +2
          Not that scale. For such moving areas, ships and submarines need to be stamped round the clock. We are talking about thousands of cargo ships that need to be protected. How to protect all container ships, bulk carriers and tankers carrying goods to the United States, Britain, Australia and Canada by the number of ships available to the Anglo-Saxons I can not imagine. Yes, and I think the con will only be a more convenient mass target for pl.
        2. sir_obs
          sir_obs 27 February 2016 01: 08
          +6
          During the Caribbean crisis, staff members threw all their strength into the search for our 4 diesel engines, which were sent to Cuba. Found in the end, only 3. The fourth was never found. And involved in the search was almost everything that is possible.
          When four of our nuclear powered ships were sent to approximately the same area (it was relatively recently), the mattresses could not find a single one. Neither during the crossing of the Nordkap-Bear border nor further.
      3. Old
        Old 28 February 2016 17: 13
        +4
        A lot of advantages. I confess I am not an expert. But it seems to me that the "scale" of the war against Russia implies the massive use of strategic nuclear forces. And in this case, the term "sea transportation is the basis of the strength of the Anglo-Saxons" is from past wars ... Because the collision of nuclear powers will be very short-lived. There will simply be no transportation. The likely confrontation is likely to be of a different quality. And the tasks of the submarine fleet have long been different. Vehicle hunting is a legacy of history.
    5. vkl-47
      vkl-47 26 February 2016 15: 09
      -8
      make it from carbon or from some other kind of composite)
      1. andj61
        andj61 26 February 2016 15: 18
        +2
        Quote: vkl-47
        make it from carbon or from some other kind of composite)

        Yes, and titanium for the case did not exhaust its capabilities at all.
        The biggest problem with these boats is the need to constantly maintain the reactor in operation, even when parked at the base. Otherwise, the primary coolant hardened, and it was no longer possible to reheat it again.
        1. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 26 February 2016 16: 27
          +1
          Rummage in my comments, there are photographs there, but in general the topic of the nuclear submarine of the 705th project at VO is rather hackneyed.
          1. VALERIK_097
            VALERIK_097 29 February 2016 09: 58
            +2
            I’ll add from myself,
            Quote ANGI61: Otherwise, the primary coolant solidified, and it was no longer possible to reheat it again.
            The opportunity was, otherwise we would not be able to unload the spent fuel from the utilized orders.
            In Gremikha, we warmed up the "frozen" apparatus up to 140 degrees during the day.
            I will not dissemble, an electric boiler room was built on the shore to dispense dry steam, and changes were made to the design of the apparatus, which in case could be used as regular
        2. romandostalo
          romandostalo 27 February 2016 02: 21
          +3
          ... but at a more modern level ...
          Nobody forces to put the same reactors!
          1. VALERIK_097
            VALERIK_097 29 February 2016 12: 41
            0
            Excuse me, what exactly did not please you reactor and IM CPS.
            Already there are new physical principles of the circulation of the coolant. (I note LM).
            I can’t write more yet. G.T. However,
    6. sgazeev
      sgazeev 26 February 2016 15: 12
      +7
      Quote: Michael67
      Goldfish - a new life!
      Make changes in noise and weapons.
      staff diapers will be in bales with them to carry.

      "Goldfish" - the killer of aircraft carriers. The PLARK pr.661 in its running and maneuverability had no analogues either in the Soviet or in foreign fleets and served as the undoubted predecessor of the second and third generation submarines with cruise missiles on board and titanium hulls.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 February 2016 15: 16
        0
        Anchar alone had one big minus - it cost a billion rubles at 60th prices.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 26 February 2016 18: 23
          +6
          Quote: Vadim237
          Anchar alone had one big minus - it cost a billion rubles at 60th prices.

          security (army, navy, law enforcement) of the state is generally not a very cheap thing ...
          1. romandostalo
            romandostalo 27 February 2016 02: 23
            +3
            And then technology does not stand still ...
    7. Svetlana
      Svetlana 26 February 2016 16: 01
      +3
      Quote: Michael67
      Goldfish - a new life!

      In the unmanned version of Status-6 ..
    8. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 February 2016 16: 14
      +3
      Quote: Michael67
      Goldfish - a new life!

      I think it would be better to resume, taking into account modern technologies and developments, the submarine of project 865 "Piranha".
      And the "Golden Fish" was essentially a kind of laboratory, which worked out technologies and ideas that were introduced and are used to this day in the construction of our submarines.
    9. Exsubmariner
      Exsubmariner 27 February 2016 22: 42
      +3
      The Goldfish is a slightly different ship that is a champion in underwater speed.
    10. pine tree
      pine tree 28 February 2016 01: 11
      0
      Tochnyak, Golden Fish !!!
      fulfills desires.
    11. gregor6549
      gregor6549 28 February 2016 06: 05
      -1
      The fish, in fact, was gold, because the use of a liquid metal cooler in its nuclear installation forced the crew to keep the reactor warm all the time so that this cooler would not harden. However, this did not save one of the Lear, the cooler hardened and the boat had to be cut into scrap metal. Of course, this fish also had many innovations, for example, a high level of automation of control of units and mechanisms at that time, which significantly reduced the crew of the boat. But in general, the boat was too complicated and expensive to operate, and the Navy refused it in favor of simpler and more reliable nuclear submarines.
      And then what is this slogan "to make changes in noise and armament." What changes need to be made and how? Maybe it's enough to "crow" into space and think a little about what you are writing about. And then diapers will have to be carried not by the staff at all, but by someone else. And I have never heard that the US submariners were distinguished by an increased indigestion. Moreover, their nuclear submarines, as it were, always managed to outstrip the Soviet and Russian nuclear submarines launched at the same time with their performance characteristics, and in most cases it was not them who had to sweat, but our submariners who, hunting for American nuclear submarines, often turned from hunters into game.
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 28 February 2016 23: 39
        +1
        As for reactors, I read somewhere that liquid metal reactors (sodium, lead) learned to shut off and then restart, by reheating this coolant. True, it takes a lot of time and electricity to warm up, but in principle the problem is solved.
    12. Umnichka
      Umnichka 29 February 2016 00: 36
      +3
      Sorry, this is not a goldfish. Goldfish - 661 project "Anchar" with CD "Amethyst", in a single copy, 705th and 705thK (according to NATO classification "Alpha") - torpedo boats, serial, were in the division, then they were joined by "Komsomolets" , lost on April 7, 1989. Ships ahead of time. I recall with pleasure my service on these ships.
    13. Umnichka
      Umnichka 29 February 2016 00: 36
      +1
      Sorry, this is not a goldfish. Goldfish - 661 project "Anchar" with CD "Amethyst", in a single copy, 705th and 705thK (according to NATO classification "Alpha") - torpedo boats, serial, were in the division, then they were joined by "Komsomolets" , lost on April 7, 1989. Ships ahead of time. I recall with pleasure my service on these ships.
  2. Amnestied
    Amnestied 26 February 2016 14: 28
    19
    “Project 705 (705K) Lira submarines are known in the West primarily for their role as the main antagonist in the film The Hunt for Red October.
    In that film, it was not Project 705 that was shown, but Project 941 "shark", according to NATO classification "typhoon". When copy-pasting, check the content!
    1. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 26 February 2016 14: 34
      +1
      Quote: Amnestied
      “Project 705 (705K) Lira submarines are known in the West primarily for their role as the main antagonist in the film The Hunt for Red October.
      In that film, it was not Project 705 that was shown, but Project 941 "shark", according to NATO classification "typhoon". When copy-pasting, check the content!

      The books contained exactly "typhoon" and "Alpha".
      1. Amnestied
        Amnestied 26 February 2016 14: 41
        +5
        Quote: Primus Pilus
        The books contained exactly "typhoon" and "Alpha".

        The article on the film says!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 February 2016 15: 34
      +4
      Quote: Amnestied
      In that film, it was not Project 705 that was shown, but Project 941 "shark", according to NATO classification "typhoon". When copy-pasting, check the content!

      That's right: the main thing antagonist, i.e. "villain", in "Hunt" was precisely "Lyra" - the submarine "Konovalov", which hunted who chose the path of freedom "Red October".
  3. OMEDB
    OMEDB 26 February 2016 14: 28
    +6
    And this is trolling in Russian laughing
    The possibility of building robotic nuclear submarines is being considered.
    And to add, 2020 pieces will be released by 200.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 February 2016 16: 39
      +6
      Quote: OMEDB
      And to add, 2020 pieces will be released by 200.

      Fifteen - like in an old RIF bike: And do you know dear lords that Russia has begun to build 15 battleships on the Black Sea? They will be named after the twelve apostles and three saints.
  4. Oleg Lavrov
    Oleg Lavrov 26 February 2016 14: 28
    13
    The NATO Allies must already get used to the state of perpetual jitters, which has intensified greatly over the past 5 months ... the reality for pin .. dos has become damn frightening !! And so, now it will always be!
    1. vadson
      vadson 26 February 2016 14: 41
      +2
      t90 withstood hit from TOW
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 26 February 2016 14: 46
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: vadson
        t90 withstood hit from TOW

        But what about the vaunted active defense? Have you regretted the money?
        The tank then withstood the blow, the crew is alive, but the equipment was not in the trash and the tank could not leave.
        The second blow the tank can’t stand.
        1. vadson
          vadson 26 February 2016 14: 59
          +2
          why did you decide that the tank lost track?
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 26 February 2016 15: 03
            0
            Quote: vadson
            why did you decide that the tank lost track?

            From the fact that it is necessary to bring down from the place where the blow was received.
            See how the T-72s are fighting in Syria. Received a hit from RPG-7, left, fired, received another hit, left, fired, left.
            Perhaps the driver simply went to the light of another, which is not at all surprising when the hatches are open.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 February 2016 15: 30
              +1
              Why is the driver mechanic dead - the missile hit the optical element of the Curtain on the tower.
            2. Cap-3 USSR
              Cap-3 USSR 26 February 2016 15: 53
              +6
              Guys, and no one thought that:
              1. Ours in Syria are testing new technology especially.
              2. The Syrians will not land anyone on the t-90. (Crew at least very experienced)
              3. The tank is very competently exposed, with an open hatch. (Vulnerabilities are covered)
              4. Security features are disabled.
              But is it not an attempt in combat to test the t-90 in the frontal projection against the TOW.
              You can imagine how much this will be an invaluable experience and how much it will be an expensive gift for the defense industry.
              1. activator
                activator 26 February 2016 16: 07
                11
                Quote: Cap-3 of the USSR
                4. Security features are disabled.
                But is it not an attempt in combat to test the t-90 in the frontal projection against the TOW.
                You can imagine how much this will be an invaluable experience and how much it will be an expensive gift for the defense industry.

                Well, then the crew will definitely sit with the hatch open and the curtain turned off and wait for it to arrive at you ... belay
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 26 February 2016 20: 03
                +7
                Quote: Cap-3 of the USSR
                You can imagine how much this will be an invaluable experience and how much it will be an expensive gift for the defense industry.

                But doesn’t it seem to you that it would be cheaper and easier to drag the TOU and other ATGMs and RPGs into the Russian Federation and work out and test everything in a calm environment at the training ground?
              3. Sergei 88
                Sergei 88 27 February 2016 18: 56
                +2
                And who was stopping to shoot the tank at the training ground? Or do you think our military does not have a TOW?
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 26 February 2016 17: 26
            10
            I was pleased with the comment from YouTube - T-90 - allah: 1 - 0 :)))
        2. forma2
          forma2 26 February 2016 14: 59
          0
          Pay attention at the beginning of the clip !!
          It is clearly visible that the hatches are open, and in front of the tank behind the bushes in front of the tank a fence!
          Conclusions:
          the rocket exploded after hitting a fence;
          the crew got from a blast wave that hit the tank through open hatches.
        3. da Vinci
          da Vinci 26 February 2016 15: 38
          +9
          It is not equipment that is fighting, but soldiers. How many Arabs have left serviceable cars when it smelled "fried"? How many such examples were there during the Arab wars? Don't give them sho - it's all about ... t. angry
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 27 February 2016 15: 39
            0
            Georgians are the same!
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 26 February 2016 14: 48
        +8
        Quote: vadson
        hit from TOW

        Their "Curtain" was not even included! PPC, like so.
        1. vadson
          vadson 26 February 2016 14: 56
          +4
          no one canceled gouging
        2. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 26 February 2016 15: 05
          +7
          ..... Their "Blind" was not even included! PPC, how so ....

          .... I think it’s on .... If you look carefully, in a few seconds. before hitting, a glimpse of some kind is seen ..... Yes, and I got into the tower where the gunner was sitting .... And he ran away then .... I think that the DZ worked .... What is next - it is not clear, but I think the tank nothing has happened .... lol
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 26 February 2016 15: 06
            +5
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            some glimpse

            The machine gun worked for shooting)
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 26 February 2016 15: 22
              +2
              Quote: chikenous59
              The machine gun worked for shooting)

              Well, and the second horse of stupidity, after shutting off the Curtain, was to stand still in sight. And they clearly saw grenade launchers.
            2. akribos
              akribos 26 February 2016 19: 11
              +3
              In general, the clip is very ambiguous. Firstly, we see how the machine gun works, but judging by how the billing machine behaves, professionally and quickly (under 12mm bullets, you can’t work quietly), the tank works for another purpose, tactical maneuver of the opponents is possible. Secondly, the tank is quite open and its flank is completely exposed. Thirdly, a petro-tou, an installation with a large tripod, a large launcher and a large target designation element, the calculation is also forced to stand open, all these are unmasking factors, and we are not observing any masking elements. The question is, where is the Syrian infantry and what in general is this tank doing there? It would have been possible to think that this sabotage group is attacking the Syrian checkpoint, but that invisibly can hardly be imperceptibly and covertly delivered, then we should have seen javelin and the like. So, it turns out that the tank itself drove there, the question is why? Intelligence service? Where is the infantry? Intelligence on t90, expensive pleasure. The conclusion is that the war is on, not such as we can imagine (a classic that we see on the maps in the news, with some kind of front lines), but like in American cinema about the apocalypse and life after it. From this, the question begs why t90, give them the old t72. Someone will say that we are testing equipment, but it’s useful, but when it is being tested like this, there is a lot of talk about how well our tanks are burning (anti-advertising). The only good news is that the United States sold the abrams to Iraq and we sometimes observe that they are also wonderful burners.) Respectfully.
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 26 February 2016 15: 21
            +4
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            them "Blind" was not even included! PPC, how so ....

            .... I think it’s on .... If you look carefully, in a few seconds. before hitting, a glimpse of some kind is seen ..... Yes, and I got into the tower where the gunner was sitting .... And he ran away then .... I think that the DZ worked .... What is next - it is not clear, but I think the tank nothing has happened ....

            No, it certainly didn’t work - her work, just on the video, is "shown", the rocket seemed to hit the roof of the tower, akurat into the DZ blocks and judging by how cheerfully the people knocked out of it, it did not pierce the roof.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 February 2016 15: 21
            +4
            If this rocket hit the side, it would certainly have pierced, and so the cumulative stream along the tower passed into the slippery slope.
      3. figwam
        figwam 26 February 2016 15: 13
        0
        hit from TOW

        It looks like the "Shtora-1" system on the tank was not turned on and the "cloud" was not used.
      4. Deniska
        Deniska 28 February 2016 00: 17
        0
        A bunch of this video is already online ... I was interested in one nuance. Review the video carefully. After the hit, it’s clearly either rebounding, or something went off well ...
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    2. Lieutenant Izhe
      Lieutenant Izhe 26 February 2016 14: 41
      0
      The NATO Allies must already get used to the state of perpetual jitters, which has intensified greatly over the past 5 months ... the reality for pin .. dos has become damn frightening !! And so, now it will always be!

      simply, their lobby from the military-industrial complex in the US Congress is seeking an increase in the military budget "under the Russian military threat"!
  5. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 26 February 2016 14: 30
    0
    In the west she was known as Alpha.
  6. activator
    activator 26 February 2016 14: 33
    +3
    Here Lyra is sorry I can’t, although I am aware of what problems its content is connected with. It’s about if they gave me a ferari or a lamborghini, although it’s free, but I understand that the mere contents of such a machine would have ruined me, but damn it anyway. crying
  7. gorunov
    gorunov 26 February 2016 14: 35
    0
    By the way, there is a song about the boat "Red October":

  8. SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 26 February 2016 14: 36
    0
    "Goes to the right, the song starts,
    To the left, he says tales ... "
    A.S. Pushkin
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 February 2016 14: 36
    +1
    This is what I would welcome. Wonderful was the boat. Strongly ahead of time. A real underwater fighter.
    It was noisy, and reliability was low due to the then elemental base. And the crew is even too big, by modern standards. These boats could leave torpedoes launched into them! Well, a very necessary boat. And it should not be expensive.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 February 2016 14: 39
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      These boats could leave torpedoes launched into them!

      First, yes, until they developed new torpedoes.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And it should not be expensive.

      With a titanium case? wink
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 26 February 2016 14: 52
        11
        Quote: Vladimirets
        First, yes, until they developed new torpedoes.

        ... I welcome Eugene hi ... already previously wrote "super-duper" torpedoes were only up to a depth of 400 m, at 600 m already complete mediocrity ... "Lyra" dived up to 1000 m. although she herself could not get anyone from there, by the same reason ... there was no such torpedo armament ... hi
        Quote: Vladimirets
        With a titanium case?

        ... here, depending on how you look, it’s worth it, if it sinks at least one Ohio with 24 Tridents on board ... then I think the titanium case will pay for itself ... hi
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 February 2016 15: 05
          0
          Quote: Inok10
          I already wrote "super duper" torpedoes only to a depth of 400 m, at 600 m already complete mediocrity ... "Lyra" dived to 1000 m.

          Well, so the boat did not fall to this depth like an ax.
          Quote: Inok10
          the truth itself couldn’t get anyone from there, for the same reason ... there wasn’t such a torpedo weapon ...

          Accordingly, at this depth and the course of 40-45 knots could not give.
          Quote: Inok10
          here, depending on how you look, it’s worth it, if it sinks at least one Ohio with 24 Tridents on board ... then I think the titanium case will pay for itself ...

          This is undoubtedly, just a colleague wrote about an "inexpensive boat", and this is unlikely with the desired characteristics. Alexey, hi
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 26 February 2016 20: 23
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Well, so the boat did not fall to this depth like an ax.

            ... I removed the minus, I am more and more amused by the situation on VO, when two people simply cannot talk on a topic, without the appearance of a "ghost with a minus" ... ay, Administration ... fellow ... but, in fact ... I agree, the submarine is not an ax ... but also a torpedo, not lightning ... the transport time is estimated in tens of minutes ... hi
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Accordingly, at this depth and the course of 40-45 knots could not give.

            ... and again I agree ... but not 5 knots either, even 20 would not be bad, but as they say "unnamed sources" tore off the outer cover, technologies of the 70s, alas ... hi
            Quote: Vladimirets
            just a colleague wrote about an "inexpensive boat", and this is unlikely with the desired characteristics.

            ... the concept is expensive for submarines, it is generally a relative concept ... agree Eugene ?! ... Submarines cannot be cheap by definition ... hi
        2. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 26 February 2016 15: 12
          +3
          .... "Lyra" dived up to 1000 m. ...


          .... She did not dive up to 1000m .... This is the "Komsomolets" (the only boat by the way), which was drowned near the Bear could .... hi
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 26 February 2016 22: 56
          +1
          Quote: Inok10
          "super-duper" torpedoes were only up to a depth of 400 m, at 600 m already complete mediocrity ..

          AM we adopted the t-du Mk-48 (mod 0, 1,2), which dived up to 750m and had a speed of 50-60 knots. I also wrote earlier about the heavy English high-speed t-de. 705 pr. Could dive to a maximum depth of 400m. This was a serious threat to the Blue Whales. This is how foreign media called the K-64 after its launch.
          22 April 1969 year, the submarine was launched. Despite the secrecy, a crowd of onlookers met the descent of the submarines, and “enemy voices” informed the world about the descent of a fundamentally new nuclear submarine, dubbing it the “Blue Whale”.
          (https://www.snariad.ru/submarin/submarin_705/)
      2. max702
        max702 26 February 2016 15: 04
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        With a titanium case?

        At the ChMZ plant, Glazov, there was a titanium exhaust pipe in dimensions 200х3.5 m wall thickness 16 mm .. It stood at the building for calcium production, when it was sawn, the plant was given a salary for 3 months .. number of employees at that time 9,5 thousand ..
      3. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 26 February 2016 15: 09
        +8
        ..... With a titanium case? wink


        .... Why are you all - titanium, titanium .... Not so expensive ... Yes, and the cost of that hull (durable) in the cost of the entire boat is 30-40%, and that’s only because for welding titanium sections need cameras (large !!!!) with argon .... lol
      4. SklochPensioner
        SklochPensioner 26 February 2016 15: 43
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        These boats could leave torpedoes launched into them!
        First, yes, until they developed new torpedoes.
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And it should not be expensive.
        With a titanium case?

        Let’s leave Mountain Rifle’s enthusiasm for the submarine ... smile
        They are understandable ...
        The question is money and personnel, as always?
      5. Serg koma
        Serg koma 26 February 2016 16: 10
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        With a titanium case?

        At one time, titanium ski poles in every sports school were in sufficient quantities ...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 February 2016 17: 00
          0
          Quote: Serg Koma
          At one time, titanium ski poles in every sports school were in sufficient quantities ...

          This is practically the same thing. wink
  10. pts-m
    pts-m 26 February 2016 14: 38
    0
    not like a lyre, rather like a special walrus. yak contours! I guess the pendos are digging in the archives to remember the performance characteristics of this boat. nevertheless, their admiral yawned at the congress that they would have a small number of submarines on a quiet okane.
  11. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 26 February 2016 14: 39
    +5
    Have you decided to bring down the US economy with an overwhelming burden of arms spending? Previously, they scared the USSR, now we get to bully them.
  12. SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 26 February 2016 14: 39
    +1
    "Goes to the right, the song starts,
    To the left, he says tales ... "
    A.S. Pushkin
  13. SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 26 February 2016 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: SklochPensioner
    "Goes to the right, the song starts,
    To the left, he says tales ... "
    A.S. Pushkin


    There are miracles: the goblin wanders there ...
    Mermaid is sitting on the branches!
    ashore, gentlemen!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 February 2016 20: 19
      +1
      Quote: SklochPensioner
      There are miracles: the goblin wanders there ...
      Mermaid is sitting on the branches!
      ashore, gentlemen!

      You, This ... Do not forget to have a bite!
  14. Yutas
    Yutas 26 February 2016 14: 52
    +2
    Not a titanium hull allowed Lyra to develop high speed, but a liquid metal reactor + hull contours.
    And, apparently, yes, that’s how the Americans perverted the news about the development of our submarines with high automation.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 28 February 2016 23: 22
      0
      You are not quite right ... The titanium hull allowed to REDUCE the weight of the boat, which means the displacement, which means it allowed to increase the power of the power plant with a reduced size. And this is the main condition for increasing speed. Plus, it allowed to increase the WORKING depth to 600 meters, which for the steel case is EXTREMELY ACCEPTABLE!
  15. oleggun
    oleggun 26 February 2016 14: 56
    0
    I want that)
  16. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 26 February 2016 15: 00
    +2
    In modern conditions and on a new technical base, this underwater vehicle will be a headache for the Anglo-Saxons for at least 25 years ahead. All Soviet technical solutions must be used. For example, you can add the X-90 missile, which so frightened Reagan, the first cruise missile in the world with hypersonic speed, strategic. Let these political questions ... buggers live under the constant yoke of fear and insecurity, only this state pushes a rotten, rotten west to negotiations and negotiations need to be extremely tough. Let them always carry a piece of toilet paper with them.
  17. valent45
    valent45 26 February 2016 15: 03
    +1
    You need to scare Americans with different stuffing and nightmare them, nightmare !!!
    They accept everything for the truth! laughing
  18. edeligor
    edeligor 26 February 2016 15: 29
    +5
    I am far from the fleet, especially the underwater one. But here's what, as an amateur, I want to share. In the west we are constantly encouraged, they say, our Armed Forces are low-tech, outdated, etc. When they begin to revive the project, to which the "super-technological" naglo-Saxons are still "like cancer before Beijing," then ... damn it, pride arises for our engineers. Thank you very much for that. I would like to hope that our politicians will not abandon the great revival of the army and navy.
  19. morprepud
    morprepud 26 February 2016 15: 30
    +1
    "Lira" will make the management of the American Navy nervous
    - in the words of A. Rosenbauman we will answer America:

    Don't count "girl" Америкаmy years
    the old horse will not spoil the furrow.
    The old horse is still where.
    - and let your Pentagon make faces! repeat
  20. cdrt
    cdrt 26 February 2016 15: 35
    -7
    All the same, Russia is a land power.
    It can be seen that as soon as they gave the sailors money, instead of a deliberate balanced fleet, throwing again began with dozens of completely crazy projects.
    Just like in the days of the USSR.
    Here you have 6 aircraft carriers, and "destroyers" with nuclear power plants, and a replay of Lyra, which was heard almost on the floor of the ocean, and soon a dozen of various corvettes.
    Do not give a penny until there are people in the fleet who have the brains and professionalism to form a sound shipbuilding strategy.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 February 2016 17: 52
      +9
      Quote: cdrt
      It can be seen that as soon as they gave the sailors money, instead of a deliberate balanced fleet, throwing again began with dozens of completely crazy projects.
      Just like in the days of the USSR.
      Here you have 6 aircraft carriers, and "destroyers" with nuclear power plants, and a replay of Lyra, which was heard almost on the floor of the ocean, and soon a dozen of various corvettes.
      Do not give a penny until there are people in the fleet who have the brains and professionalism to form a sound shipbuilding strategy.

      Heh heh heh ... do the landlords want to talk about crazy projects? Well then ...
      Who ordered 3 types of attack helicopters at the same time (and has 5 parts in general)?
      Who ordered two types of Su-30 at the same time?
      Who, in spite of the presence of the T-72 and T-90, returned the T-80 in the first line?
      Who is developing a dozen MRAP projects and light armored vehicles for?
      Who made the leapfrog "Tiger" - "Lynx" - "Scorpio"?
      Who opened the UAV zoo?
      Who made leapfrog with a form?
      Who continues to order a whole line of unparalleled airborne machines - despite the fact that the Airborne Forces have long been landing equipment only during exercises, and in real conflicts they work by landing method?
      Who in the Strategic Missile Forces the number of types of missiles will soon surpass that in Soviet times?

      Do not give a penny until there are people in the ground forces, the Air Force and Strategic Rocket Forces who have the brains and professionalism to form a sound strategy for the construction of military equipment. laughing
      1. cdrt
        cdrt April 1 2016 18: 47
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Who in the Strategic Missile Forces the number of types of missiles will soon surpass that in Soviet times?


        They seem to produce only Yars, they want a heavy Sarmat.
        Well, a new one, instead of Yarsov.
        That's all.
        From conditionally multiplying types - BZHRK, but there, everything seemed to quiet down.

        Airborne equipment - well, for the sake of justice, this is not the SV, but the Airborne Forces. The landmen, just, tried not to let her buy.
        And yes, 1500 cars at the price of a tank with cardboard armor is an enviable ability to make money.
        It’s sort of sorted out with the form.
        Well ... Scorpio is from another opera. Only the Tiger-Lynx, but, for good, either the Tiger-6A or the Lynx to accompany the columns and the commandment is needed. Here in the intelligence of the Lynx - yes, the Darwin Prize.
        For SVs it seems like MRAPs are not being developed much - the only thing is Typhoon-K / U competition, but this is competition, not more.
        Well ... T-72/80/90 is the karma of the RA RA :-))))))
        Su-30 in a couple of versions - yes, of course
        3 types of UD helicopters - also, of course, the Darwin Prize must be given ...

        But ... the landlords suffer from a lack of connectivity between the right and left hand. And sailors - with sick imaginations. That Lyra - really, from the other end of the Universe, they heard that the whole story with the development of requirements for the UDC in Soviet times, that now with the Mistrals, for which there will be nuclear space weapons. Yes, and "destroyers" in 18 thousand tons in the country, which can hardly yet build a new TFR of 4500 tons, and despite the fact that all 956 are already all, and 1155 machines are not eternal, this is five.

        And yes, about deunification, you can recall that even now 22350 and 11356 are under construction. Well, do not forget about the "promising modular corvettes OVR", 20380, 20385. Yes, Buyany and 22800 without air defense to the same
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 February 2016 21: 08
      +2
      Quote: cdrt
      All the same, Russia is a land power.

      At Russia, 2 / 3 borders pass through water. Yes, the location (access to the seas) is not as good as that of the Anglo-Saxons ... Alas, but this is not an excuse to abandon their maritime ambitions! Peter I understood this. Surely our country is no longer capable of such leaders as the first Russian emperor !?
      Quote: cdrt
      as soon as they gave the sailors money ... Do not give a penny
      And so they do! We, sailors, have long been asking for our (sea) budget for the Navy ... But the BOOT is higher than the boot! Therefore, the budget of the Ministry of Defense is "kryzhat" exclusively by combined arms financiers. The situation improved somewhat at GDP when he was elected Chairman of the Maritime Assembly. And the youth of St. Petersburg made itself felt. Again, my father was a naval officer. Education apparently affected.
      Quote: cdrt
      instead of a well-thought-out balanced fleet again ... you and 6 aircraft carriers, and "destroyers" with nuclear power plants, and a repeat of Lyra
      This is a balanced fleet and consists of aircraft carriers, missile cruisers and destroyers; frigates and corvettes, missile, anti-submarine and air defense ships of the near, far sea and ocean zones. Submarines and NK of various classes and "standard sizes" (ranks) ...
      There is a concept, so it’s not worth waiting
      while in the fleet ... there are people who have the brains and professionalism to form a sound shipbuilding strategy.

      Ships are needed yesterday!
      1. cdrt
        cdrt April 1 2016 18: 50
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        In Russia, 2/3 of the borders pass through water


        Yeah, and what part of these 2/3 is either an ALS, where of all the threats can only exist underwater and water?

        And yes, the question is, "Don't we want a Death Star" for 18 tons, 000 AB and nuclear power plants, when the existing EMs are already all, and the BOD is alive no more than 5 pieces - as if about different things.
        The task is not to conquer the world, but how to build a fleet with the allocated (!!!) money, which is as much as possible satisfying the needs of the country with this money
  21. Soldier Sukhov
    Soldier Sukhov 26 February 2016 15: 50
    0
    Intelligence (Pentagon detectives) report to the Big Yankees, how can we regale them? Probably in vain diapers are?
  22. xam0
    xam0 26 February 2016 15: 55
    +3
    A breakthrough boat then turned out, in many ways ahead of its time. If we continued to develop that project at the same pace, now the boats were simply unthinkable. But it’s good, though they took up the mind again, it is just necessary to restore the army.
  23. triglav
    triglav 26 February 2016 16: 00
    +4
    It was in the device! A sight for sore eyes!
  24. akribos
    akribos 26 February 2016 16: 41
    +4
    Despite the crisis, I count the survey work and the construction of a new one, this is a necessity. Less skolkoy different and there will be new boats and aircraft carriers, as well as total theft. It’s good that the cosmodrome and others organized the Olympiad, there wouldn’t be these projects, the money would simply be stolen. Sincerely.
  25. VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 26 February 2016 16: 50
    +6
    undoubtedly beautiful!
  26. opus
    opus 26 February 2016 17: 10
    0
    Quote: Author
    “Project 705 (705K) Lira submarines are known in the West primarily for the role of the main the antagonist in the movie "The Hunt for Red October"

    the "main antagonist" was the project 941 TK-210 "Red October". wink






    It was the uniqueness of the body that prompted the assumption of a "caterpillar" propulsion system in this novel.
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 26 February 2016 21: 17
      0
      It's like "Shark". I recommend http://legal-alien.ru/rasskazy ("Sharks from Steel") - very interesting. lol
  27. behemot
    behemot 26 February 2016 18: 01
    0
    Specialists, why do boats have a cabin / superstructure? This is a colossal resistance.
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 26 February 2016 19: 13
      +2
      Then, why do hippos have eyes and nostrils sticking out of the water.
    2. KakoVedi
      KakoVedi 27 February 2016 00: 28
      0
      This is called the felling fence. Extend the device to "sew". Place the bridge so that there is where to place the watch on the surface ...
  28. Concealer
    Concealer 26 February 2016 21: 58
    0
    Returning Lyra is really worth it. We simply do not have "hunters" today, but we need them very much.
    In addition, modern composite materials can significantly reduce the cost of the project while maintaining (improving) the parameters. You just need to make the case all-composite and using additive technologies. And modern automation will make it possible to reduce the crew, even compared to Lyra. And now there is experience in servicing with such reactors, and you can not repeat the mistakes.
    Just imagine - a one-piece glass-carbon case with the previous power ratio and even more advanced automation and less volume. Yes, it will be comparable to the appearance of the German model XXI, but 40-41. Who remembers the history of underwater war, he already understood. This is the death of all sea lanes.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 28 February 2016 23: 08
      0
      Do not talk nonsense about "whole-composite and additive technologies" ... These "technologies" of yours are only suitable in aviation, and then with many reservations, but for the submarine fleet this mutation that you mentioned is ABSOLUTELY UNSUITABLE for many (and maybe software ALL) parameters and I will not even list them.
  29. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 27 February 2016 08: 45
    -9
    Complete nonsense and a waste of money! "Komsomolets" turned out to be a complete failure of the Soviet shipbuilding and as a result - the death of the ship and part of the crew? Read the previously published material on the fight for survivability - there are thoroughly considered the causes and consequences of this universal stupidity and shame of the Soviet submarine shipbuilding "Lyra" or "goldfish"? You can’t be so wasteful when old people, orphans, disabled people eat up the last of the Cupid without salt "in order to create a modern Russian Navy," and the "experimenters" dream of "mastering" the military budget and government orders for adventures in order to enrich themselves at the expense of the poor! And what about the country's defense? We will throw titanium caps over the foe! Not in the first, that "fools" at the piers rot like "Ural" or "Sharks", the main thing is personal well-being and state awards, awards, honors, "innovation" ...
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 28 February 2016 23: 04
      +2
      Are you either a DOSA or an enemy ... there’s nothing more to say ...
    2. Umnichka
      Umnichka 29 February 2016 00: 53
      0
      worse than the enemy.
    3. Umnichka
      Umnichka 29 February 2016 00: 53
      0
      worse than the enemy.
  30. Alfizik
    Alfizik 27 February 2016 13: 39
    +1
    More submarines are good and different!
  31. ded_mityai
    ded_mityai 27 February 2016 23: 59
    0
    I think the best option is a nuclear submarine without a crew at all - it can be filled inside with non-combustible gas / foam and thus radically solve the main problem of boats - fire. In addition, the boat will be faster than any torpedo due to the nuclear installation and its relatively small size. You can still dive depth 1000m. And also a huge saving of money on crew training, products and coastal infrastructure (since the boat does not need to stick out at the berth wall, it can conduct combat patrols for years).
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 28 February 2016 23: 02
      0
      Everything is not so simple as you described here ... Without a crew boat (or any other object) it is easy to just drown quietly and no one will know where or when ... Here, even with the crew in the exercises (!) Under the NOSE, the Drowned boat and they couldn’t prove anything and understand what and how, otherwise it’s unrealistic without a crew! Further, the main problem is the operational communication with the boat. When there is a crew, this connection can be MINIMIZED, but without a crew this will not work with the current level of development of computer technology and software. Well and most importantly, the purpose of this boat is HUNTING on enemy boats and ships! And how can you imagine it WITHOUT CREW (!) SAMA (!) Will be hunting for other submarines or aircraft carriers! This is generally unrealistic even in the long run!
  32. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 28 February 2016 09: 56
    +1
    It is insulting to tears when such facts emerge that in the 90s such backlogs from the 70-80s were cured, which we still cannot catch up with, as many as six aircraft carriers alone were lost!
  33. Old warrior
    Old warrior 28 February 2016 16: 44
    0
    God grant! The main thing is that it goes to the Benefit.
  34. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 28 February 2016 22: 39
    +1
    The current Russian government rarely does something useful for the country and its defense, but the idea to restore these submarines is VERY CORRECT and most importantly timely. By its characteristics, this submarine is UNIQUE! At one time (and maybe even to this day) THERE WERE NO TORPEDA, which could catch up with it! It is impossible to get away from this submarine in principle! Speed ​​in underwater position 83 km / h (!). Working (!) Immersion depth of 600 meters! The most offensive is that the enemy rabble DESTROYED this unique boat FIRST in the whole fleet! It seems that there is only ONE or TWO empty enclosures! They regretted cutting it for metal because of titanium! And the rest CUT! And they didn’t shoot anyone for this ... thank God they thought better of it and might reward this unique car ...
    1. Umnichka
      Umnichka 29 February 2016 00: 55
      +1
      I agree. Only the working depth of the dive was 400 m.
  35. beech
    beech 29 February 2016 05: 23
    +1
    It was necessary to plant and shoot ONLY two moral monsters: the "laureate" of Gorby and his friend beat the drunkard Yeltsin! Well, that RUSSIANS again will revive from your pocket! Or maybe we will sell Abramovich's yacht to the likes of Voryug and build more than one "LIRA" the most modern!
    1. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 29 February 2016 13: 03
      0
      Select and share? So it was already, in 1917, and it is known how it ended. Want one more time?
  36. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 29 February 2016 10: 07
    +1
    [quote] It is absolutely not necessary to build a completely revolutionary boat, as was done at the 705th project, which simultaneously used an innovative reactor with a liquid metal coolant, highly automated equipment, and a number of other innovations, including a titanium alloy hull. [quote]
    Why not??? Thanks to bold innovative solutions, the USSR was a military superpower!
    And Russia, claiming to regain the status of a world power, does not need to chase cheapness and simplified decisions. The only prerequisite for this will be a healthy, self-sufficient economy, but for this we need real specialists (to match those who design such boats), and not just blatata, which could only support vitality for $ 140 or more, without any hopes for growth.
  37. Palladin
    Palladin 29 February 2016 12: 11
    +1
    Luxurious boat. We must return. I knew the former commander of one of them - when I went out to sea, the chief executive officer would shout: "Alarm, alarm, all home." Now they don't stick their nose out of the base.
  38. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 29 February 2016 13: 01
    0
    It's time to think about creating submarines without a crew at all ... it would be nice.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 29 February 2016 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Alex von Dorn
      It's time to think about creating submarines without a crew at all

      It is necessary to create conditions for those who put forward ideas. Nominated - execute. And less chatter!
  39. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 29 February 2016 13: 05
    -1
    [quote = Former battalion commander] The current Russian government rarely does something useful for the country ... How do you know if you judge by "dad"?