A division of the Pantsir-С2 complexes entered the anti-aircraft regiment of the BBO

After combat firing at the Ashuluk proving ground (Astrakhan region), an anti-aircraft missile regiment stationed in Vladivostok was received by the division of ZRPK Pantsir-S2, reports press office Eastern District.

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"The division will take up combat duty to cover airspace over the main base of the Pacific fleet", - says the release.

“In addition, in the second half of the year, the regiment will be replenished with the C-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system (ZRS). Now her calculations are undergoing scheduled retraining, ”the district reported.

The press service noted that “the deployment of a C-400 air defense system in Primorye, in combination with the newest PIRM-C 2 air defense system, will make it possible to more effectively accomplish the task of protecting the sky over Vladivostok”.

Help TSB: “Pantsir-S is intended for short-range protection of civilian and military facilities (including long-range air defense systems) from all modern and prospective means of air attack.

The main feature of the complex is that it can detect and destroy any aircraft, helicopter, unmanned aerial vehicle, guided bombs or enemy ballistic missiles in seconds. ”

Comments

[ALABAY45]

“... it is even more effective to solve the tasks of protecting the sky over Vladivostok ...”
But this is a blow to the image of a dull Dvorkovich! He, I suppose, has already promised the Japanese a "clear sky" regime! Bastard, corrupt ... I read the article about the Far East belatedly, the feces are still boiling!

[MASK]

I look at the Far East and the Arctic constantly strengthening (weak link ..) Everything is correct, not calm there ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Mask

I look at the Far East and the Arctic constantly strengthening (weak link ..) Everything is correct, not calm there ...

Weak link? From the point of view of IKO, yes. I will not see. beyond 200 km is usually not visible. And for what purpose are you interested in?
RTVeshniki see further

[Lt. Air Force stock]

The Shell-S2 would have a vertical launch of missiles and one launcher can be installed 24 missiles thereby increasing firepower.

[Tusv]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Carapace-C2 would have a vertical launch of missiles and on one launcher, you can install 24 missiles thereby increasing firepower

Firepower? The c300 division is on duty with two Carapaces covering the sides. Question! How many "invisibles" and axes are needed to suppress it?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Tusv

Firepower? The c300 division is on duty with two Carapaces covering the sides. Question! How many "invisibles" and axes are needed to suppress it?

During the US attack on Iraq in 1991, 2000 AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles were shot

[Inok10]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

During the US attack on Iraq in 1991, 2000 AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles were shot

... and how does AGM-88 HARM help ?! ... the range when launched from a low altitude is not more than 20 km., when launched from an average altitude, not more than 48 km., when launched from a high altitude, no more than 100 km. ... who will let the carrier at such a distance to the C 300/400 ... on such smart ones there is a VVO on a 40-meter tower, and the Pantsir has an optical-electronic channel ... and no one canceled the newspapermen ..

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Inok10

... and how does AGM-88 HARM help ?! ... the range when launched from a low altitude is not more than 20 km., when launched from an average altitude, not more than 48 km., when launched from a high altitude, no more than 100 km. ... who will let the carrier at such a distance to the C 300/400 ... on such smart ones there is a VVO on a 40-meter tower, while Pantsir has an optical-electronic channel ... and no one has canceled the newspapermen.

There are EW Groler airplanes, and false targets-EW MALD.
The United States also has JASSM missiles with a range of 1000 kilometers.

[Inok10]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

There are EW Groler airplanes, and false targets-EW MALD.
The United States also has JASSM missiles with a range of 1000 kilometers.

well, Russia still has troops of the RTV, REB / REP, RTR and fighter aircraft, including the MiG-31 ... this is not Iraqi air defense ...

[Falcon]

Quote: Inok10

... and how does AGM-88 HARM help ?! ... the range when launched from a low altitude is not more than 20 km., when launched from an average altitude, not more than 48 km., when launched from a high altitude, no more than 100 km. ... who will let the carrier at such a distance to the C 300/400 ... on such smart ones there is a VVO on a 40-meter tower, and the Pantsir has an optical-electronic channel ... and no one canceled the newspapermen ..

The c-300 / 400 complexes are certainly quite good, but by no means reinforced concrete. And the West has long been practicing techniques to overcome them. Which is a very difficult and unrealizable task.

But nonetheless. Aiming semi-active missiles with X-NUMX / 300 gives chances to escape under the radio horizon and disrupt the attack. And the horizon is a very important thing, especially with difficult terrain.

[Inok10]

Quote: Falcon

But nonetheless. Aiming semi-active missiles with X-NUMX / 300 gives chances to escape under the radio horizon and disrupt the attack. And the horizon is a very important thing, especially with difficult terrain.

... The radio horizon, the radio horizon, have learned a new word ... well, Sharomizhniki, what they have reached ... they don’t even read what they copy-paste ... Your picture describes the propagation of VHF radio waves ... and on the screen (attached) it is even visible from where you are her "pulled" http://forum.guns.ru/forumtopics/151/deleted/1302750/34464894.html ... take the trouble to read in what range the 91H6E of the C 400 complex works ... by what you have shown, we can say with confidence that Aegis, Patriot do not see beyond their own noses, no one has canceled the concept of frequency, as well as rules for its distribution ...

[Falcon]

Quote: Inok10

.. Radio horizon, radio horizon, learned a new word ... here, the Sharyzhniki, what have they reached ... they don't even read that they copy-paste ... Your picture describes the propagation of VHF radio waves ... and on the screen (attached) this you can even see from where you "pulled" it http://forum.guns.ru/forumtopics/151/deleted/1302750/34464894.html ... take the trouble to read in what range the 91H6E complex C 400 works ... because you demonstrated, it is safe to say that Aegis, Patriot do not see beyond their own nose, the concept of frequency has not been canceled, as well as the rules for its distribution ...

Hmm ... Muzzle, I wrote, I wrote a letter and it seems that I didn’t understand anything in my words.

And here are the frequencies ??? What are the distribution rules for frequencies, my God, WHAT A BAD !!! How is the frequency associated with the radio horizon or 91н6е is an over-the-horizon radar radar, in your opinion Or is there a sew wave?

What the fuck is the connection between UHF and decameter waves with a radio horizon ??
Their propagation distance is influenced by the attenuation coefficient - you are completely unrelated to the radio horizon !!!

Quote: Inok10

here are the Scarves,

And here is Aegis, which is a bius and Patriot? And then their nose, if they shine through the space above the radio horizon. And the radio horizon certainly moves away with the rise of the antenna.

Your competence is simply amazing, I would not advise writing any more such nonsense, designed for patriots who do not know school physics .. Do not disgrace ...

Especially for you:

https://yadi.sk/i/qFWSDkzyjyAcu

https://yadi.sk/d/5wSwOY-lpXKEE

Sometimes it is better to read textbooks first and then write. And certainly not to be rude

[Inok10]

Quote: Falcon

And here are the frequencies ??? What are the distribution rules for frequencies, my God, WHAT A WRONG !!! How is the frequency associated with the radio horizon or 91n6e is the over-the-horizon radar radar, in your opinion Or is there a SEW wave?

... the thief is shouting loudest of all, the thief himself is shouting ... this is about you, who were caught "spam" about the radio horizon and who do not know the difference between radio communication and radar ... for All Dear Comrades ... we will analyze on fingers the propagation of a radar wave, the main effects of the propagation medium of radio waves that should be taken into account in ground-based radars are:
- indirect propagation (curvature) of the rays of radio waves
in the vertical plane;
- the screening effect of the surface of the "spherical" Earth and its neo-
races (relief elements, structures, vegetation);
- re-reflection (scattering) of radio waves by the earth's surface;
- attenuation of radio waves in the atmosphere.
Curvature (refraction) rays determined by the gradient grad n to-
refractive index of the atmosphere. With normal positive
refraction grad n <0 beam deflects to the ground. That is, the radar beam is not a laser pointer beam and does not spread linearly with respect to the curvature of the earth's space!, which means the concept of a radio horizon in radar is very arbitrary and depends on many factors, including the state of the atmosphere, clearly from the textbook "BASICS OF CONSTRUCTION
RADAR STATIONS RADIO TECHNICAL TROOPS "2011 p. 25. (attached) ... ah, mister Falcon I highly recommend reading the textbook before clever about the radio horizon.

[Inok10]

Quote: Inok10

That is, the radar beam is not a laser pointer beam and does not spread linearly with respect to the curvature of the earth’s space!

... that is, it is useful for a radar system, but it causes systematic errors in measuring the elevation angle of the targets, and consequently, the altitude Hц (Fig. 1.5) ... The necessary corrections in the calculation of rpr and Нц are introduced by using the equivalent Earth radius Rз u, which leads to an effect
"Straightening" of the rays (Fig. 1.6). ... that’s what Kamrada understood, Sincerely, to the honest community! ...

[Falcon]

Quote: Inok10

The necessary corrections in the calculation of rpr and Нц are introduced through the use of the equivalent radius of the Earth Rз е, which leads to the effect of
"Straightening" of the rays (Fig. 1.6). ... that’s what Kamrada understood, Sincerely, to the honest community! .

So where is the argument against the radio horizon and the conversion of all locators into SEW?

They themselves copied from somewhere:

Quote: Inok10

use of the Earth’s equivalent radius Rz e, which leads to the effect of
"Straightening" of the rays (Fig. 1.6)

And for what, to account for the error no more

[Falcon]

Quote: Inok10

- indirect propagation (curvature) of the rays of radio waves
in the vertical plane;
- the screening effect of the surface of the "spherical" Earth and its neo-
races (relief elements, structures, vegetation);
- re-reflection (scattering) of radio waves by the earth's surface;
- attenuation of radio waves in the atmosphere.
The curvature (refraction) of the rays is determined by the gradient grad n
refractive index of the atmosphere. With normal positive
of refraction grad n <0 the ray is deflected towards the ground. That is, the radar beam is not a laser pointer and does not propagate in a straight line with respect to the curvature of the earth's space!

Well, the copy-paste owl excelled

At least a few words and copied understand

Quote: Inok10

"baldness

Quote: Falcon

What the fuck is the connection between UHF and decameter waves with a radio horizon

Where is the answer then? Did not find in copy-paste?

And where does the refraction, of which you know even less! Refraction in the approximation is taken into account by reducing the effective radius of the earth. Besides the fact that it is a dynamic characteristic under various conditions of the toposphere, it still mainly affects the error in measuring the target elevation angle.

Quote: Inok10

That is, the radar beam is not a laser pointer beam and does not spread linearly with respect to the curvature of the earth's space!

Copy-pasteur, but where is the connection with the wavelength? The difference in the radio horizon taking into account refraction is kept within 10-15%. What is the difference then? Or found copied, but what is the argument and you yourself do not know?

Or, taking into account refraction, our radar beam turns into the so-called. "Earth ray" or is this mysterious word the influence of reflection from the ionosphere, or can it be transformed from spatial three-dimensional waves into two-dimensional "surface electromagnetic waves" from Maxwell's equation? But it is not so
The radio horizon remains, unfortunately

Quote: Inok10

... the thief himself shouts loudest of all, stop the thief ... this is about you caught on "spam"

I didn’t just open access for you to download from my disk.
https://yadi.sk/i/qFWSDkzyjyAcu

https://yadi.sk/d/5wSwOY-lpXKEE

not so easy...

[Tusv]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

During the US attack on Iraq in 1991, 2000 AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles were shot

It’s scary to think. For several divisions with 125 km with a range of 50?
Correct answer
Under such a cover, a smart pilot will deploy his pepelats to hell.
To attack Harmami, you need to sneak up at least one hundred kilometers. But c300 radars see even "invisible" people earlier. You can, of course, drop to 50 meters, but how can you launch Harm from such a height?
A hundred axes, they will only be able to crush one division with 300 covered by two Carapace
Palyu perfect air defense system :)

[alexmach]

one Ohio submarine == 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles ...

No hatred. since the 50s we have the most powerful air defense system in the world, but impenetrable protection does not exist.

[VP]

The marching speed of the Tomahawk is about 800 km / h.
Those. from its starting position to the firing position of the air defense division, it will take quite a long time. If you do not assume, of course, that the SAM is located next to the position of the submarine.
For an hour or more of missile flight, the division will have time to dine and slowly drive off. Well, at least a couple of kilometers from the previous position.
Tomahawk is aiming at the coordinates laid down before launch.
Tomahawks scorch on stationary objects, on mobile complexes it makes no sense to blunder.

[alexmach]

Yeah, on condition that they detected this very start, and for 800 kilometers they realized that it was from them and not from the objects that they were covering, despite the fact that not one of the tomahawks carried a nuclear charge, and even though we all knew about their guidance methods and recent modifications

[Falcon]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The Shell-S2 would have a vertical launch of missiles and one launcher can be installed 24 missiles thereby increasing firepower.

No, his rocket vertical launch is contraindicated. Need another rocket then. She actually is his main scourge, as redone from ATGM in ZR.

For such purposes, there is a TOP. Well, or Morpheus, which is likely to be the development of the RZV-MD missile for the promising Torah, in object-based air defense

[cdrt]

Quote: Falcon

e, his rocket vertical launch is contraindicated. Need another rocket then. She actually is his main scourge, as redone from ATGM in ZR.

For such purposes, there is a TOP. Well, or Morpheus, which is likely to be the development of the RZV-MD missile for the promising Torah, in object-based air defense

That's what Tor needs with a new missile, just as they once wanted with an infrared seeker in the far section.
And not a one and a half channel Carapace.

[Falcon]

Quote: cdrt

That's what Tor needs with a new missile, just as they once wanted with an infrared seeker in the far section.
And not a one and a half channel Carapace.

The Torah rocket is being developed, not with the IR seeker, it is with radio command guidance.

In general, about the infrared seeker it hurts nowhere to confirm. Yes and not so easy with her. The reaction time, due to the need to use refrigerant or TEC, significantly affects the combat readiness of the complex

[alexmach]

The armored missile also has advantages - the price, it is cheaper than the torus missile.

Although, frankly speaking, it is not entirely clear to me why such a division is - shells for strategic air defense tori for the military. As for me, the shell would be on a caterpillar chassis and in the troops ... Maybe this air defense itself is bigger and there needs to be a more massive and cheap solution?

[Falcon]

Quote: alexmach

The armored missile also has advantages - the price, it is cheaper than the torus missile.

You are certainly right! This is precisely the logic of our leadership. So to say, price-quality is on top.

Only that the object that it protects is much more expensive than a rocket, no one therefore thinks. And the lives of the people that she defends, as pathetic as it sounds, are priceless ...

[alexmach]

And this logic, incidentally, has a right to exist. We need not only the very best short-range missile, but we need it in sufficient quantity.

In addition, there are goals for which to spend an expensive missile is an excess - the same drones.

[Denis Obukhov]

More photos from the Olympics


clickable.

[doework]

Great news!

[Pravdarm]

Yes, cool car! Already in Syria holds the defense. Glad.

[Armored optimist]

Short-range complexes must necessarily cover long-range complexes. This did not work out very well, although it was understood in the Soviet Union. Now this is understood clearly and is being implemented as far as possible. And ground defense. Up to united positions and military camps.

[Tusv]

Quote: armored optimist

Short-range complexes must necessarily cover long-range complexes

This is Dogma, but the Armor must be protected. This is Theorem. Not well, how do you react to the attack of axes over 70 km

[alexmach]

There would be in addition a mid-range complex of the Vityaz type. And all this can be combined into one information system capable of exchanging information and effectively sharing goals ...

[atamankko]

Let the adversaries think with their own head, if she is still able to think what it is for.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Remove one letter in the name of the complex, and how the meaning is changing. ...

[Ze Kot]

And when did they take the S-2 into service?

[Lord of the Sith]

ZRPK "Pantsir-С2" (from June 2015 the entry of the complex into the Air Force air defense forces will begin)

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

ZRPK "Pantsir-С2" (from June 2015 the entry of the complex into the Air Force air defense forces will begin)

Hm. Somehow I missed ... Thank you

[Knight Rider]

And how is C1 different from C2?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: KnightRider

And how is C1 different from C2?

ZRPK "Pantsir-S2" differs from the previous modification by the presence of a radar with improved characteristics and extended missile range. The Pantsiri-C2 will begin to enter service by the end of this year.

http://topwar.ru/82348-v-ramkah-boevogo-sodruzhestva-2015-vpervye-byl-primenen-z

rpk-pancir-s2.html

[xam0]

Quote: The Cat

And when did they take the S-2 into service?

I don’t know when they took it, but in Syria, on the basis of Khmeimim, those who arrived there were already replaced by the first C1 to C2, there they are very relevant now.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Well ..ukes! Hold on ... poison!

[iliitchitch]

The complex is capable of digging up the enemy's missile, and completely bury it, for which it was created, in fact. Watched the shooting, impressive. "Fuckers Martins" and so on. Boeing thoughtful. Let them scratch their turnip.

[proud]

The good news is, often read such

[Herman]

Interestingly, how many complexes are in the division? eighteen?

[Victor1]

It is interesting why the C2 abandoned the cannons, because an additional fire module would not be out of place if, for example, the ammunition supply of the missiles is over, and a volley can be made quite good both on Tunguska, for example, both by air and by land in case of something ..

[alexmach]

Who said they were abandoned? seemingly still on ZRPK. Although there were many critics about these guns.

[Falcon]

Quote: Victor1

It is interesting why the C2 abandoned the cannons, because an additional fire module would not be out of place if, for example, the ammunition supply of the missiles is over, and a volley can be made quite good both on Tunguska, for example, both by air and by land in case of something ..

Why removed.

Just have a separate version of the car only with missiles

[Victor1]

That's good. I just remember when information about them only appeared, there was an option without guns, it’s good that in the end they were left. Will not be superfluous :)

[tchoni]

S-400 and shell - the right combination!

[Stas157]

And why is C-400 the Carapace covering, not Thor, who knows?

[Falcon]

Quote: Stas157

And why is C-400 the Carapace covering, not Thor, who knows?

The shell is an object of air defense, as well as S-400.

Thor military air defense - it works in tandem with S-300V Antey 2500

[alexmach]

Actually the question of why remained unanswered.

Why in the military air defense do not need guns and in the object need? Why doesn’t object all-angle take advantage of the object?

[Falcon]

Quote: alexmach

Actually the question of why remained unanswered.

Why in the military air defense do not need guns and in the object need? Why doesn’t object all-angle take advantage of the object?

The troops have shilka and tunguska.

And the C-300PT / PS object complexes are currently being covered by RPK-74 ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Falcon

And the C-300PT / PS object complexes are currently being covered by RPK-74 ...

Previously, it was not better - our S-125s had a "dead zone" covered by a maximum of 12,7 or 14,5 mm ZPU.

[alexmach]

Now it’s clear, do you proceed from the fact that guns are needed everywhere? There are critics of this idea, but it will be possible to prove or disprove anything only by analyzing actual combat use.

[Falcon]

Quote: alexmach

Now it’s clear, do you proceed from the fact that guns are needed everywhere? There are critics of this idea, but it will be possible to prove or disprove anything only by analyzing actual combat use.

The gun covers the dead zone for the rocket.

The shell rocket has a lesion zone from 15 in height and from 1200m in range.

When it’s too late to launch a rocket, you need a gun.

[Evil 55]

When there will be a relatively large number of new equipment, then the priorities will slightly change, but for now they put it where it is NECESSARY, and not where it is DESIRABLE ...