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The project of a mobile coastal missile system "Kalibr-M" / Club-M

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A real sensation last year was the Caliber missile system. Cruise missiles of the complex in the ship and underwater version were used several times to strike at terrorists' facilities in Syria. In the course of these strikes, the missiles showed uniquely high range and firing accuracy, which surprised both the specialists and the general public. Several rocket attacks allowed not only to accomplish the combat mission, but also to demonstrate the capabilities of the newest Russian weapons. It should be noted that the Caliber missile system can exist not only in the form of weapons of a ship or submarine. Other variants of this system with a different base, which have now been undeservedly forgotten, were also developed. For example, a project of the Kalibr-M coastal missile system was of great interest in its time.


Cruise missiles of the Caliber family were developed by the Novator Design Bureau, now part of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern. A characteristic feature of the Caliber project (export designation of the Club) is the possibility of using missiles on various platforms, from ships and submarines to ground-based launchers or even special systems based on standard containers. All of these features have been used in several projects developed to date. Among other things, new missiles were proposed to be used as weapons for the Kalibr-M coastal mobile missile system or the Club-M.

The purpose of the project “Caliber-M” was the creation of a promising coastal mobile missile system with the ability to attack various surface or ground targets. It was necessary to ensure the possibility of the advancement of the complex’s assets to the specified launch area, as well as an independent search for the target and its further defeat. The development of the project was carried out by several organizations. OKB Novator, being the creator of the Caliber missiles, was responsible for armament, and other means were designed by the Morinformsystem-Agat concern. In addition, some other related developers and suppliers of the necessary components were involved in the project.


The prototype of the Caliber-M launcher at the MAKS-2007 exhibition. Photo by Said-pvo.livejournal.com


The development of the Caliber-M project started in the late nineties or at the beginning of the two thousandth, which enabled 2005 to begin promoting this system on the international market. At several international exhibitions and showrooms of 2005, the development organizations for the first time revealed information about the existence of a new coastal missile system, and also announced some of its capabilities. The main characteristics of the complex and missiles were identified, as well as some features of export deliveries were indicated. In particular, the possibility of using several types of missiles was already announced. In addition, it was then claimed that the facilities of the Club-M complex could be based on different types of chassis, including MAZ, Ural or even Tatra, depending on the customer’s wishes. When using one or another chassis, however, some modifications of the complex were required.

After the “premiere” of the project, work continued, resulting in the emergence of experimental equipment. At the MAKS-2007 showroom, Novator and Morinformsystem-Agat design bureau presented for the first time a prototype of a self-propelled launcher of a new missile system. It was a four-wheel wheeled vehicle based on the Belarusian-made MZKT-7930 chassis, similar to that used as the basis for Iskander complexes. Moreover, according to some data, the Calibra-M prototype was rebuilt from the Iskander machine that was available, with which some features of its design were associated. The presented combat vehicle received a lifting launcher with mounts for several transport and launch containers of missiles. The prototype shown received four containers with missiles.

During the MAKS-2007 exhibition, only a self-propelled launcher was shown as a full-size model. Other means of the Kalibr-M / Club-M complex at that time were demonstrated only in the form of large-scale mock-ups, as well as in the form of drawings in promotional materials. From the published data, it followed that, in addition to the launcher, the missile complex should include a communications and control vehicle equipped with a radar station for searching targets.


Models of communication and control machines (left) and launcher. Photo Bastion-karpenko.narod.ru


The full composition of the Kalibr-M mobile coastal missile system is as follows: a self-propelled launcher, a transport-loading machine, a communication and control machine, a technical support machine, three types of cruise missiles, and equipment for servicing and storing missiles. All fixed assets of the complex should be mounted on self-propelled chassis, which will provide them with the required mobility and allow them to arrive in the launch area in a timely manner, and then change their position and leave the retaliatory strike.

The number of those or other means in the complex depends on the characteristics of the area of ​​work, tactical situation and other factors. In its simplest configuration, the Caliber-M complex can consist of two launchers and one communication and control machine, as well as additional equipment for solving auxiliary tasks. If necessary, the number of launchers working in conjunction with one communication and control machine can be increased. It was planned to include three launchers and one control vehicle, as well as auxiliary equipment in the typical composition of the missile battalion.

A self-propelled communications and control machine responsible for finding targets and target designation is a suitable type of chassis (for example, MZKT-7930), on which a wagon body is mounted with a set of special equipment, including a radar lifting antenna. At various exhibitions, it was argued that the monitoring of the situation can be carried out using active and passive means of observation: the equipment is capable of both “inspecting” the surrounding space on its own and studying the situation without emitting its own signals. The detection range in the active mode was set at the level of 250 km, in the passive - up to 450 km.


Means complex "Caliber-M" on the position. Figure Concern-agat.ru


Communication equipment proposed for installation on the control machine, allows you to transfer data on targets to self-propelled launchers. In addition, it provides combat work on third-party target designation with the reception of information from the command post or from other reconnaissance means and the subsequent transfer of data to missile launchers. Fire control is centralized, which allows you to optimize the attack process of the targets by choosing a launcher at the most convenient position, controlling missile consumption, etc.

Self-propelled launcher worthy of separate consideration. This combat vehicle can be based on various types of chassis, on which, however, some characteristics of the complex depend. Thus, the use of the MZKT-7930 or BAZ-6909 chassis allows to bring ready-to-use ammunition to six missiles. In the case of the development of other versions of the complex on the basis of less heavy chassis, ammunition can be reduced in accordance with the capabilities of the existing equipment.

The prototype of a self-propelled launcher presented at the MAKS-2007 was a four-wheel-drive all-wheel drive vehicle with a special box body that contained elements of the launcher. A characteristic feature that distinguishes the "Caliber-M" / Club-M from the Iskander system on a similar chassis is a van of greater height and increased volume, containing a relatively large ammunition load. Because of this, in particular, on the roof of the cab of the base machine appeared characteristic housing.


Demonstration of the complex. Figure Bastion-karpenko.narod.ru


The body of the launcher should protect the internal systems and TPC with missiles during movement and in the parking lot, and also not interfere with their launch. For this, the roof and rear wall of the van are made opening. On the sides are mounted double folding devices that can diverge to the sides and open the way for rockets. In the stowed position, they are folded and provide the required protection for the internal units.

The Calibra-M prototype, shown in 2007, received two independent launchers with their own hydraulic drives, which is probably related to its “origin”, namely, a remake of the Iskander complex. Attachments for TLC missiles were provided on two separate lifting devices. Each device could carry two containers. In the stowed position, the containers were lowered into a horizontal position and laid down along the hull. A vertical partition was provided in the center of the body of the van.

It should be noted that in the promotional materials of that time appeared ammunition set ready for use in the form of six missiles. According to some reports, full-fledged serial self-propelled launchers should have received three lifting devices with mounts for two missiles each. It was planned to provide both joint and separate raising of pairs of rockets. Nevertheless, images of the launcher, made in the form of a single package with a single lifting cylinder, appeared in the promotional materials. Regardless of the design of the lifting devices, it can be assumed that to implement the project of a “three-row” launcher, it would be necessary to redesign the machine body, increasing its width.


Model of anti-ship missile 3М-54E. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The promotional materials for the Club-M project claimed that a self-propelled launcher based on the MZKT-7930 chassis with six missiles would be able to travel along the highway at speeds up to 70 km / h and overcome at one refueling station to 1000 km. The combat weight of the vehicle was determined at the level of 48 t, the crew - 3 person. After arriving at the position of the deployment procedure should take about 3 minutes. Within 2 minutes after start-up, the car could move to the stowed position and leave the position.

The nomenclature of armaments of the mobile coastal complex “Caliber-M” proposed to include three types of missiles with different characteristics and a different range of tasks to be solved. To destroy the enemy ships, it was planned to use 3М-54КЭ and 3М-54КЭХNUMX missiles (in the export version of the complex). In addition, the complex could destroy stationary ground targets with known coordinates, for which it was proposed to use the 1М-3КE missiles. Such a nomenclature of missile weapons allowed expanding the range of tasks to be accomplished, ensuring protection of the coast not only from attacks from the sea, but also from other threats.

Anti-ship missiles proposed for use in the Club-M complex allow you to attack surface targets at ranges up to 200-300 km, depending on the modification. The missiles are equipped with penetrating high-explosive warheads of different weights, from 200 to 400 kg and, as a result, differ in starting mass. The 3М-14К cruise missile (or export 3М-14КE), in turn, must carry a high-explosive warhead weighing 450 kg and deliver it to a distance of up to 300 km.


Layout of the 3М-14E cruise missile. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The stated detection radii and missile range allowed the Caliber-M / Club-M complex to cover a fairly large portion of the coast. According to calculations, it is possible to protect a section up to 600 km in width along the front and about 300 km in depth, both towards the sea and towards land. Starting positions launchers, according to the developer, should be located no more than 100 km from the coastline. By properly placing combat positions, the Club-M complex can become a reliable barrier to the enemy’s way and disrupt the implementation of his plans.

It should be noted that these figures refer only to the export version of the complex and missiles. The events of the autumn and winter of last year clearly showed that the range of 300 km is solely a consequence of international agreements that impose restrictions on the characteristics of the exported missiles. In the case of the production of Caliber-M complexes for the Russian armed forces, the range can reach 1000-1500 km with the corresponding tactical consequences. At the same time, to achieve such characteristics, appropriate means of detection and targeting are required.

Both the Russian and the export versions of the mobile coastal missile complex should have a common characteristic advantage regarding the power of the missiles. It is easy to calculate that a general volley of six missiles of one launcher will allow delivery of combat units with a total weight of 1200 kg to the enemy ship. For ground targets, this parameter reaches 2700 kg. In terms of such characteristics, the Caliber-M / Club-M complex turns out to be one of the most advanced systems in the world.

The project of a mobile coastal missile system "Kalibr-M" / Club-M
Launcher on launch pad. Figure Concern-agat.ru


As you can see, a promising coastal mobile missile system "Caliber-M" is able to effectively solve the tasks of defense of the coast from enemy ships, as well as to strike at stationary objects at a distance of up to several hundred kilometers. The use of self-propelled chassis as the basis for all means of the complex ensures a quick transfer to a predetermined area, and also allows you to leave the starting position in order to avoid the enemy's retaliatory strike. At the same time, the high-throughput chassis significantly expands the size of areas where missile systems can be located.

The proposed detection systems and target designation provide a search for targets at distances up to 250-450 km, followed by firing control. To a certain extent, this simplifies and accelerates the conduct of an attack by enemy ships, and can also have a positive effect on the survivability of the complex.

Perhaps the most important and interesting feature of the Club-M complex is the possibility of using three types of cruise missiles. Two of them provide effective defeat of enemy ships, both single and in a group, and the third is intended for attacking ground targets with predetermined coordinates. Thus, depending on the task, the Caliber-M can be a complex of coastal defense, and an analogue of tactical systems with ballistic missiles. This greatly expands the range of tasks.

At the exhibitions of past years, the coastal complex appeared under the name Club-M, and the letters “E” were present in the designations of the proposed missiles. All this testified to the desire of development organizations to present their new project to potential foreign customers, as well as to interest them and further sign contracts for the supply of new equipment. According to reports, the countries of South-East Asia were considered as potential customers. In addition, the Persian Gulf countries showed some interest in promotional materials. All these Asian and Middle Eastern countries need modern systems to protect maritime frontiers, which is why the Club-M project could be of great interest to them.


Complex "Caliber-M" / Club-M dj time of combat work. Figure Concern-agat.ru


Nevertheless, despite the presence of materials, layouts and prototypes at various exhibitions, the project “Caliber-M” / Club-M has not yet reached the construction and testing of prototypes. In addition, while there are no contracts for the supply of such military equipment. The new Russian project attracted the attention of foreign military, but in this case it did not go beyond simple interest and discussion. Domestic armed forces also did not show much interest to Caliber-M, focusing on the development of similar weapons for ships and submarines.

Despite a number of positive features, high performance and remarkable potential, the coastal mobile complex of missile weapons “Caliber-M” / Club-M has not yet left the design and construction stage of the prototype layout. Perhaps the situation will change in the future and the new missile system will be able to go into the series in the interests of the Russian or foreign armed forces. However, while the future of the project is the subject of controversy.

An additional factor that may affect the future coastal complex, can be the results of the combat use of ship-borne and submarine-based Caliber missiles. Last year, the navy carried out several strikes against a real enemy using such weapons. The results of combat use demonstrated all the advantages of such missiles, as well as impressed professionals and the general public. It cannot be ruled out that the results of the actual use of “sea” missiles of the Caliber family will in one way or another influence the further fate of the coastal Caliber-M complex.


On the materials of the sites:
http://concern-agat.ru/
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/
http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/
http://militaryparitet.com/

Photo review of the prototype of the Caliber-M launcher shown at the MAKS-2007 exhibition:
http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/496236.html
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  1. Bykov.
    Bykov. 1 March 2016 06: 31
    +5
    Great, what else can you say. Weapons earned !!!
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 1 March 2016 08: 32
      0
      It’s only a pity that
      Despite a number of positive features, high performance and remarkable potential, the Caliber-M / Club-M coastal mobile missile system has still not left the stage of design and construction of a prototype layout.
      Despite the fact that
      In terms of such characteristics, the Caliber-M / Club-M complex is one of the most advanced systems in the world ... the promising Caliber-M coastal mobile missile system
      And the fact that the Russian Armed Forces also did not show much interest in Caliber-M, having concentrated efforts on developing similar weapons for ships and submarines, also somehow does not lead to healthy competition, which is very necessary in the defense industry!
      1. Vladimir 23rus
        Vladimir 23rus 1 March 2016 09: 13
        10
        And the fact that the Russian Armed Forces also did not show much interest in Caliber-M, having concentrated efforts on developing similar weapons for ships and submarines, also somehow does not lead to healthy competition, which is very necessary in the defense industry!
        Under the INF Treaty, we are prohibited from deploying ground-based cruise missiles with a range of over 500 km. We are not Americans, we can’t spit and grind wassat
        1. Temples
          Temples 1 March 2016 09: 56
          +5
          focusing on the development of similar weapons for ships and submarines also somehow does not lead to healthy competition, which is very necessary in the defense industry!

          You have to be careful with competition.
          Rollback is one way to compete.
          Competition in the food trade led to the disgusting quality of the products on the shelves, but did not lead to cheap prices for these products.
          It is more important to put forward requirements for the finished product.
          And buy only if all the requested quality parameters are fulfilled in the product.
          As happened in fact in the USSR.
          Fulfilled the task - well done plus a bonus.
          Could not - give way to the young.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 1 March 2016 14: 47
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            As happened in fact in the USSR.



            Your reasoning has normal, common sense ...

            However, unfortunately, and even to shame, I must add that under the USSR, not everything was so normal in this industry ...
            In the triangle of MO - OPK - Old Square was also present and protectionism, and the devil knows that ... I know firsthand, because he was finishing his service after military units in one of the Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense ...
            I think that the missilemen present at the VO can confirm this by examples of reception from the military industrial complex and setting on combat duty of the first Pioneer complexes, or the security system of the BZHRK ...
            Everything also went into the development, production, implementation of military products ...
            I'm afraid that the old negative aspects are also transferred from past relationships to real present ...
            An example is the "competition" between the MIG and Sukhoi corporations ...

            In general, not everything is so simple ... unfortunately ...
            1. Temples
              Temples 1 March 2016 18: 04
              +2
              I'm not saying that is simple.

              Europe is moving away from competition in tank building.
              They decided to combine the efforts of paddling and burgers.
              This zhzhzhzh for a reason, Winnie the Pooh used to say !!!

              Competition - the struggle for the customer’s money.
              It is for the money.
              Everything else in this fight is secondary.
              As the bourgeoisie and rogues say Italian American bottling:
              - business, nothing personal. smile
            2. Andrey77
              Andrey77 3 March 2016 12: 40
              0
              Rocketeer, BZHRK. Everything was taken by order. The party said to accept - accepted. But! The person who accepted put a PERSONAL signature. Those. he is obviously guilty if anything happens.
          2. Andrey77
            Andrey77 3 March 2016 12: 37
            0
            In the USSR there was an acceptance. Now they are turning a blind eye. Previously, it was possible to find the culprit by the mark of OTC, now it’s not. On the other hand, where can I find a quality control system for 15000 rubles / month?
        2. KCA
          KCA 2 March 2016 03: 57
          0
          it is also forbidden to develop, but sometimes, quietly, "Iskander-K" or "Rubezh" with the possibility of incomplete fuel burnout for a flight of less than 5500 km, the amers have some strange target missiles, absolutely identical to combat ones, only without warheads
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 March 2016 13: 59
      +2
      But if this ground complex is adopted, then abroad it will be accepted as a violation of the INF Treaty, since it is already known that Caliber missiles can fly 2500 kilometers, and the launcher is universal for missiles of this family.
  2. qwert
    qwert 1 March 2016 07: 00
    0
    "The detection range in active mode was set at 250 km, in passive - up to 450 km." - not vice versa ?????
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 1 March 2016 08: 24
      0
      Quote: qwert
      not vice versa ?????

      Not. At 450 km. he can only fix radar radiation. It still needs to be identified, set the bearing, calculate the distance. A 250km. detection is a fairy tale, the surface target beyond the radio horizon is not detectable.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 1 March 2016 09: 38
        +3
        Quote: Mera Joota
        And 250km. detection is a fairy tale, the surface target beyond the radio horizon is not detectable.

        Well this is understandable, but in the same Club-K, the UAV is included in the kit for target designation, which prevents the use of the A-50, it will have a longer range ...
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 1 March 2016 13: 40
          -4
          Quote: PSih2097
          what prevents it from using the A-50, it will have a longer range ...

          Well, probably the lack of a data transmission system from the A-50 to MBRK ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 March 2016 13: 53
            0
            Quote: Mera Joota
            Well, probably the lack of a data transmission system from the A-50 to MBRK ...

            ?
            What is it like?
            1. Mera joota
              Mera joota 2 March 2016 05: 49
              0
              Quote: Spade
              What is it like?

              So data on detected targets cannot be transmitted directly to the complex.
        2. mav1971
          mav1971 1 March 2016 20: 48
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          Quote: Mera Joota
          And 250km. detection is a fairy tale, the surface target beyond the radio horizon is not detectable.

          Well this is understandable, but in the same Club-K, the UAV is included in the kit for target designation, which prevents the use of the A-50, it will have a longer range ...


          What is this UAV in the kit? :)
          Share information? BUT?
          And then I'm somehow at a loss ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 March 2016 21: 56
            0
            At the request of the customer
            1. Mera joota
              Mera joota 2 March 2016 05: 50
              0
              Quote: Spade
              At the request of the customer

              The fact that ours know how to draw is certainly pleasing, it turned out beautifully, but the pictures are of little use ...
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 March 2016 13: 50
        +6
        Quote: Mera Joota
        And 250km. detection is a fairy tale, the surface target beyond the radio horizon is not detectable.

        "Taurus", over-the-horizon radar - 250 km. Her successor "Sunflower" - 450 km.

        It's even easier with AUG. In the Far East, since 1986, the Volna ZGRLS station has detected and accompanied American aircraft-carrying groups at ranges of up to 2800 km.
        The new ZGRLS "Container" will operate at an even greater range. Especially in the case of supplementing it with electronic intelligence equipment.
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 2 March 2016 05: 52
          0
          Quote: Spade
          In the Far East, since 1986, the Volna ZGRLS station has detected and accompanied American aircraft-carrying groups at ranges of up to 2800 km.

          Give the parameters of the over-the-horizon radar and give an example of its mobile version.
      3. shans2
        shans2 1 March 2016 17: 16
        0
        say it over the horizon radar
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 2 March 2016 05: 52
          0
          Quote: shans2
          say it over the horizon radar

          I don’t speak with objects, it’s a clinic ..
  3. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 1 March 2016 07: 21
    +6
    Here the agreement on medium-range missiles interferes. Everything has been developed for a long time. But if you start building launchers with ground-based calibers, the United States will fall into hysteria. It is necessary to leave the contract !!!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 March 2016 18: 53
      +1
      Quote: sergeyzzz
      It is necessary to leave the contract !!!

      Quote: CERHJ
      Have you tried to think?

      Do not go out.
      But it is already possible and necessary to rivet n-thousand strategic "Calibers", to work out the system of basing / warehousing and delivery to carriers.
      In appearance, they can not be distinguished by a layman. And in connection with the sanctions of the NATA observers, send them by the forest and quietly do their job in order to strengthen defense capabilities.
      PS Technical issues (starters) can be solved in the same way as it was done with "Oka".
  4. le-s-ha
    le-s-ha 1 March 2016 07: 59
    +4
    The day is not far off when the use of a caliber type rocket will be commensurate with the departure of the bomber and the use of a corrected aerial bomb for the purpose. The adoption of a unified (as far as possible) system like Caliber should significantly reduce the cost.
  5. Mera joota
    Mera joota 1 March 2016 08: 11
    +6
    It should be noted that the figures given refer only to the export version of the complex and missiles. The events of the autumn and winter of last year clearly showed that the range of 300 km is solely a consequence of international agreements that impose restrictions on the characteristics of exported missiles. In the case of the production of "Caliber-M" complexes for the Russian armed forces, the radius of action can reach 1000-1500 km with the corresponding tactical consequences.

    The author carries nonsense. The anti-ship version of Caliber is never 1000 km. will not fly, 300 km. this is his maximum, tactical missiles were fired at Syria, and not anti-ship.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 March 2016 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: Mera Joota
      300 km. this is his maximum

      300 km is the maximum for export missiles. According to the Non-Proliferation Treaty
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 1 March 2016 20: 53
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Mera Joota
        300 km. this is his maximum

        300 km is the maximum for export missiles. According to the Non-Proliferation Treaty


        300 is a figure for all parties.
        As for any rocket in export delivery. OTR, TR, NUR, SAM, RCC, PLUR and other possible.
        so for RCC Caliber.
        Real RCC Caliber still flies on 230-270 km. Although many attributed the figure to him in 300. Just replacing the meanings and concepts.

        And the author also consciously juggles reality.
        This is a deliberate lie, but remember Kozma Prutkov6 "having lied once - but who will believe you!"
      2. Mera joota
        Mera joota 2 March 2016 05: 53
        0
        Quote: Spade
        300 km is the maximum for export missiles. According to the Non-Proliferation Treaty

        This does not apply to anti-ship missiles.
  6. Old26
    Old26 1 March 2016 08: 51
    +9
    Quote: anodonta
    I wonder why? Is the reason solely in the 1987 INF Treaty, or are there any other technical reasons?

    In principle, the Russian coastal forces are armed with the Bal complexes with the Uran subsonic missile and the Bastion complexes with the Onyx supersonic. "Caliber-M" seems to be between these two complexes. It has a fairly heavy subsonic anti-ship missile and does not have a supersonic one. It turns out like a "weak link"

    Quote: Mera Joota
    The author carries nonsense. The anti-ship version of Caliber is never 1000 km. will not fly, 300 km. this is his maximum, tactical missiles were fired at Syria, and not anti-ship.

    Several years ago, in the Caspian Sea, anti-ship missiles were fired at a sea target at a range of EMNIP of 375 km. In general, I came across a figure that the range in the anti-ship missile version of our non-export models is about 450 km. And in Syria - really tactical. We just love to put an equal sign and sometimes you read it, so they are going to take out the American fleet from a distance of 1500-2500 km with "Caliber"
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 1 March 2016 14: 21
      +1
      450-500km - dial-up Varant, 280-300km - option with a supersonic stage. RCC. Non-export (export-shorter)
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 March 2016 19: 38
      +1
      Good evening, Volodya.
      A couple of words on the topic:
      Quote: Old26
      "Caliber-M" seems to be between these two complexes. It has a fairly heavy subsonic anti-ship missile system and does not have a supersonic one. It turns out like a "weak link"

      1. The caliber de facto copies the Iskander-K OTRK with its CD ... of a "certain" range. Apparently duplication is inappropriate, since Iskander's flight time is less.
      2. Anti-ship missiles "Caliber" only the sustainer section is at high transonic speed. But after the target is captured by the seeker, a warhead is separated at D about 20 km, which flies to the target at supersonic speed. This is the trick.
      3. About the weak link. After combat use and demonstration of combat capabilities, a number of APR countries have already become interested in this "weak link". This is understandable, in connection with the tendencies of the transfer of the Central Television's "influence" to this region.
      Quote: Old26
      And in Syria - really tactical.

      To be precise, it is OPERATIONAL (well, in the worst case, OTR!). Tactical - D up to 100-120km, OTR - 120 (150?) Up to 500km. Operational - up to 5000km Further strategic and Orbital. I can confuse, it was a long time ago.
      Division is conditional. hi
  7. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 1 March 2016 09: 56
    +2
    Until our Armed Forces adopt it, potential buyers will continue to show interest, but no more. The best advertisement is the weapon that serves and works, and not on paper and in layouts.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 March 2016 19: 46
      +2
      Quote: Arctidian
      Until our Armed Forces adopt it, potential buyers will continue to show interest, but no more. The best advertisement is the weapon that serves and works, and not on paper and in layouts.

      You are absolutely right!
      At one time, the Indians so directly stated to us: since this weapon is as good as you say about it, then why is it not in your arsenal?
      In general, these "bhai-bhai" have a principle - to buy only those MBT models that are in service with the exporting country. And it seems to me that they are somewhere right!
      Example: frigates pr.11356
  8. uskrabut
    uskrabut 1 March 2016 10: 09
    +3
    The weapon is good, no doubt. But, it seems, it is time to move away from specialized vehicles, it would be necessary to introduce modular systems that can be transported by any transport. The idea of ​​container placement is very tempting. For export, the option will fit at MAZs.
    1. yanus
      yanus 1 March 2016 11: 43
      0
      Quote: uskrabut
      The weapon is good, no doubt. But, it seems, it is time to move away from specialized vehicles, it would be necessary to introduce modular systems that can be transported by any transport. The idea of ​​container placement is very tempting. For export, the option will fit at MAZs.

      The ideal option - PU in cheap containers (shot and dropped) and highly mobile trucks for detection and control to quickly leave positions after firing.
  9. tchoni
    tchoni 1 March 2016 13: 13
    +1
    The club has always been tormented by the question regarding launchers: what is the reason to fence a garden with a body around transport and launch containers? can it be easier to send a towed version of a 4-container container for ordinary KamAZ-Urals?
    Why not talk about target designation issues? It would be nice to see in the UAV complex. Well, the domestic chassis.
  10. weksha50
    weksha50 1 March 2016 14: 34
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    "Domestic armed forces also did not show much interest in Caliber-M, focusing their efforts on developing similar weapons for ships and submarines"...

    Um ... This manifests itself in the kind of corporatism that existed and during the Soviet era and the competitiveness between the arms and arms of the army ...
    For example, the same communication equipment was developed separately for the aviation, navy and ground forces, although, for example, some successful systems, with some existing refinement, would allow them to be used in all types of troops, significantly reducing the cost of research and development ...

    The same with artillery and missile weapons ...

    It would seem that now, why not modify the "Caliber" for the land version ??? Its hidden capabilities would have surpassed the capabilities of the same Bastion, and by placing at least several divisions in the Crimea (three launchers for one control vehicle), one could send a big hello to the Turkish fleet, and to NATO ships forever dangling in the Russian Sea ...

    Maybe, just a lot, both me and us, are unknown ... Those same Bastions and Iskander will suddenly be able to show unexpected "agility" for the enemy, as Calibers have already shown ...

    And about the high cost ... Let Siluanov Medvedev and Putin say that there is no money ... If you want and need for such a good deed, you have to find money, just have to ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 1 March 2016 20: 01
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      Quote: weksha50
      The same with artillery and missile weapons ...

      At one time they decided to save money. The "OSA" air defense missile system, which fired excellently on land, was put on the ships. This iron drank so much blood that it was possible to let the rivers flow until they brought it under themselves in the "OSA-MA" version.
      So, unification is a good thing, but only the picture was repeated on the Bulava. Therefore, one should think "very hard", because not all land and air force adapts to thousands of tons of iron in the electrolyte.
      And so the idea is "5+"! Sometimes incarnation ... "2 ---".
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 1 March 2016 21: 13
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        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Therefore, you should "very hard" think


        I’m not talking about the fact that it’s stupid to have one complex for all kinds of military branches ... But if something more positive than someone else is already outlined, this is where all the forces and finances should be thrown. .. And do not pull everyone a financial blanket and minds on one thing ... Everyone has one thing, the general thing is to increase the country's defense capability ...
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 March 2016 12: 56
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          Quote: weksha50
          Everyone has one thing, the general thing is to increase the country's defense capability ...

          You're right. All have one thing in common ...
          But corporate interests and bank accounts are different. Hence the struggle for orders, protectionism and other bad things.
          And what you write about was in distant socialism ...
          Now, in the courtyard, the primitive capitalism of the era of capital accumulation, with all the ensuing consequences. yes
  11. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 1 March 2016 18: 32
    -4
    This complex has no prospects for sale abroad. For the sale of weapons, their characteristics are SECONDARY. WHO OF THE SELLER is of paramount importance! So Russia in recent years has established itself as an unreliable seller and an unreliable ally. And therefore, few dare to buy such systems from her, today they will sell, and tomorrow they will refuse to service or AT ALL KINET ... I don’t bring examples, they all know perfectly well ... Of course it’s a shame ... but this is reality ...
    1. Dam
      Dam 1 March 2016 21: 17
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      And you give all the same examples. And then your post looks like throwing shit on a fan
  12. Old26
    Old26 1 March 2016 21: 35
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    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Good evening, Volodya. A few words on the topic: Quote: Old26 "Caliber-M" seems to be between these two complexes. It has a fairly heavy subsonic anti-ship missile system and does not have a supersonic one. It turns out like a "weak link" 1. The caliber de facto copies the Iskander-K OTRK with its CD ... of a "certain" range. Apparently duplication is inappropriate, since Iskander's flight time is less. 2. The Kalibr anti-ship missile system is only in the marching section at high transonic speed. But after the target is captured by the seeker, a warhead is separated at D about 20 km, which flies to the target already at supersonic speed. This is the trick. 3. About the weak link. After combat use and demonstration of combat capabilities, a number of APR countries have already become interested in this "weak link". This is understandable, in connection with the tendencies of the transfer of the Central Television's "influence" to this region. Quote: Stary26 And in Syria, they are really tactical. To be precise, they are OPERATIONAL (well, in the worst case - OTR!). Tactical - D up to 100-120 km, OTR - 120 (150?) Up to 500 km. Operational - up to 5000 km Further strategic and Orbital. I can confuse it, it was a long time ago. The division is conditional.


    Good evening, Sasha!
    You are right, "Caliber" practically copies the KR R-500 (9M728) existing now in the "Iskander" complex. It works for the current situation. Moreover, the complex is land-based. In the future, a new rocket is planned - the 729th.
    There is no point in duplicating Bastion. All the same, the firing range at sea targets will be limited (these are not conditional battles, but real ones, with all the options for countering). And here Uranus is better paired with the supersonic Onyx. In-1 - easier, in-2 BC of the installation is larger, and most of the tasks will be completed.
    The demand for the Kalibr-M complexes, as well as the Caliber-K (container), is evidenced by the fact that no one has bought or is buying them, while Bastion and Uran are buying

    The supersonic option can indeed be effective. Here are just the previous 280 km, he will have to go on dial. It suits against a fleet with weak air defense, but with a strong one? When will the missile be detected at a distance of a hundred and a half kilometers from the target?

    Are the Asia-Pacific countries interested? Perhaps, but the same Vietnam or India prefers to have (and have) "Onyx" / "Bramos" as anti-ship missiles. As for the "Calibers", they have not yet shown themselves as anti-ship missiles. On the ground - yes, but export is still 300 km.

    About "Tactical". Everything is correct. Of course, "operational-tactical" according to our classification. The range of 500-1000 km is now completely unused due to the INF Treaty. For maritime OTR will be up to 1000 km. Then there are strategic (1000-5500), then intercontinental (5500 - about 20000), then global (they are sometimes called suborbital). Our "sworn friends" have even more difficult classification
  13. Don36
    Don36 2 March 2016 02: 29
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    Yes, such missiles, to protect the coast of Russia, would be very useful.