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Stolen victories of the Ukrainian army

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Stolen victories of the Ukrainian army



No, this article is not about boilers and other zrads of the modern Ukrainian-terrorist army of avatars, punishers and child-killers. It's about history.

Let's digress from the current situation and our attitude towards the punishers in the Donbas and recall that Eastern Ukraine, together with Kiev, became part of the Moscow kingdom in the middle of the 17 century. 30 January (9 February) 1667 was signed Andrusovo truce, under the terms of which the Commonwealth gave way to Smolensk and Left Bank Ukraine in favor of the Russian kingdom. Kiev was ceded to Poland initially temporarily, then, according to 1686's Eternal Peace, permanently. That is, this part of Ukraine became part of Russia before the creation of the Russian Empire.

What does this mean? The fact that the inhabitants of this region of Little Russians are equal with the Great Russians are the creators of the Russian Empire (which, I remind you, 22 was officially proclaimed October 1721 of October) and have full and inalienable rights to both the general and military history of the empire.

The central part of Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire later, in the second partition of Poland, in 1793.



Thus, if we look at the situation impartially, the newly-created state of Ukraine has exactly the same inheritance rights to the military glory of the Russian Empire and the USSR, like the Russian Federation and Belarus.

There were victories for the empire, there were also defeats, but all this was divided equally among all. For, unlike other empires, Little Russia and Belarus were not colonies, but equal imperial-forming peoples, giving armies and generals, and privates, and therefore equally involved in successes and disappointments.

A small digression would be appropriate here.

Due to monstrous historical amnesia, our former non-brothers scream that Peter the Great sneaked into Kiev, the capital of the Russian Empire, and stole its name. After that, the Moscow principality became Russia the next morning, and the former Great Russia awoke in the miserable Outskirts. In the details of the description of this epochal event, the Nebraths differ, but the general meaning of their statement is approximately as follows.

For the rest, I inform you that the name Rus, as applied to the state, the core of which was the Moscow principality, was put into circulation much earlier, as evidenced by the title of Grand Duke Vasily III, father of Ivan the Terrible:

By God's blessing, We, the Great Sovereign Basil, by the grace of God, Sovereign of All Russia and the Grand Duke Vladimir, Moscow, Novgorod, Pskov, Smolensk, Tver, Ugra, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgarian and others, the Sovereign and Grand Duke Novogorod of Nizovsky land, and Chernigov, and Ryazan, and Volotsky, and Rzhevsky, and Belsky, and Rostov, and Yaroslavl , and Beloozersky, and Udoorsky, and Obdorsky, and Kondiysky, and others.

Pay attention to the sequence. First, Russia, then Vladimir, and only in third place is Moscow itself.

And in 1547, Ivan the Fourth was crowned the Russian Tsar, having assumed the title: “Great sir, by the grace of God king and the grand duke All Russia... »

So let the horror film about Peter, the thief of names, remain on the conscience of the person who invented him.

But back to military history.

Below under the spoiler is a list of external military conflicts since the accession of Eastern Ukraine to the Russian kingdom.



The validity of including wars in the above list, as well as evaluations of these victories and defeats, may be different depending on the scale, results and personal attitude towards them. But overall, the balance (35 wins, 9 losses, 2 draws) is not bad. Otherwise, the Russian Empire would not have taken place as a state. And Ukraine, I repeat, as part of an empire and as a co-founder of the USSR, has the full right to this balance.

It would seem a glorious legacy of glorious ancestors. However, the current Ukrainian leadership, which has a very indirect relationship to Ukraine due to problems with the fifth column, has taken a conscious course to bring the thesis "Ukraine is not Russia" to complete absurdity. If, as it turned out, the Ukrainians were not equal Imperials, but a colony seized by white colonizers, then common victories are no longer common victories. That is, for the Ukrainian Aboriginal people, who, as it turned out suddenly, always fought on the side of the enemies of the Russian kingdom, the Russian Empire and the USSR, all our victories automatically became defeats.

But the irony of fate is that even with such a perverted approach, the defeats of Russia did not at all become victories of the descendants of mythical ukrov. For how the Ukrainians contributed to the defeat of Russia in the wars with Napoleon, the Poles, the Japanese? Yes, no. And since in all these wars ethnic Ukrainians fought on the side of Russia, it’s still their defeat.

Whatever they think they are about themselves, they have not won in:

- Prut campaign of Peter the Great,
- In the Napoleonic wars,
- In the Russo-Japanese War,
- In the First World War,
- Polish war,
- Afghan war.

Even if we take a special case, the Sich Riflemen who fought on the side of the Austrian Empire in the WWI, Austria, too, lost. That is, zapadentsy and here in a deep span.

This is not even zero. The army of modern Ukraine has not just turned out to be in the disgraceful list of countries that have not won a single victory over its entire history. They went into a deep minus with the result of 46 defeats in the wars, in which its people took the most direct and active part.

It cannot be said that in Ukraine they do not understand this at all.

By a decree of 923 / 2009 of 12 in November, President Yushchenko instructed the Institute of National Remembrance to compile a list of the Days of Ukrainian military victories.

I looked for the fruits of this institute’s activity by visiting its official website. I can state that the presidential instruction has not been fulfilled. The site does not have a list of military victories of Ukraine.

I looked for victory just online. They are not from the word "in general". I will not here cite the myths of the Great Ukrainian Talemaster, Doctor of Political Sciences and Professor Viktor Bebik. Those interested can find the heartbreaking story about the exile of Alexander the Great on their own.

In general, the fact remains. The best army on the planet, as they flatter themselves, does not have military victories. Are there still such unique tribes on the planet, or will the army of svidomits forever remain the worst-performing army of all times and peoples?

But this is not so important. It is important that the continuity of generations is extremely important for the education of a warrior. But in the Ukrainian version, than to have such traditions, it is better not to have them at all. And the result was not slow to tell. Svidomye still said his word in the art of war. The look of such an avatar will now forever be associated with the look of a Ukrainian soldier.

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  1. GSH-18
    GSH-18 25 February 2016 20: 31
    17
    Stolen victories of the Ukrainian army

    Rather, the stolen victories of Ukraine.
    1. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 25 February 2016 20: 35
      85
      So another symbol of Ukraine’s victory was born
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 25 February 2016 20: 38
        20
        Quote: author
        Our former brothers because of the monstrous historical amnesia
        That's just the same - former brothers! And the current ones are non-brothers! Those who became, turned into such, moreover, precisely - of their own free will, with stupid persistence, wanting to imagine themselves as the best, separate, "great" U. KRA.inzaMI, of which It never happened! Not because someone had imposed them. Purely in Ukrainian, but not in Russian (Russian)!
        So that - not our brothers are already Ukrainians (ORKAyntsi)!
        And do not get back NEVER!!!
        1. MASK
          MASK 25 February 2016 20: 46
          17
          Russia has no more brothers! There are only "pupils .."
          And also Washington uncle, who teaches bad things and needs to fill his face, but first to catch!
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 25 February 2016 21: 05
            19
            Personally, I’m not just in brothers with them, even in the neighborhood I would not want to live next to such crazy people.!
            1. Pravdarm
              Pravdarm 25 February 2016 22: 19
              +3
              In the meantime, today another muddy "neighbor" - "brother":
              -Moscow's comsomolets20:23 - Lukashenko made Putin laugh by calling him “Dmitry Anatolyevich”
              -TV Center19:49 - Lukashenko called Putin “respected Dmitry Anatolyevich”
              -TVNZ, 18:45 - Lukashenko for joy forgot his name is Putin
              -Ведомости16:02 - Lukashenko confused Putin with Medvedev in Minsk
              like "I forgot", like "oshibsya", like "made a reservation", like "beguiled" Putin!
              Vladimir Vladimirovich certainly laughed politely, BUT ... !!!
              1. cniza
                cniza 25 February 2016 22: 37
                +7
                History and we do not really like to apologize, but 404 has already gone wild.
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              3. SPACE59
                SPACE59 26 February 2016 07: 14
                +1
                Quote: Pravdarm
                like "I forgot", like "oshibsya", like "made a reservation", like "beguiled" Putin!
                Vladimir Vladimirovich certainly laughed politely, BUT ... !!!

                No need to look for a conspiracy everywhere ...
          2. WKS
            WKS 25 February 2016 22: 17
            +4
            African Americans are their brothers.
            1. major147
              major147 26 February 2016 00: 21
              +1
              Their brothers in Europe on a pederast - parades marching with naked jo ....
            2. 4ekist
              4ekist 26 February 2016 00: 46
              +1
              I think they have no brothers at all. Sorry .... no one needs ki for permanent use.
          3. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 25 February 2016 22: 50
            +1
            Quote: MASK
            And also Washington uncle


            Do we have uncle washington too? Not otherwise, george. Come on ... And why catch him? The State Department - he's stupid like a macaque. God, what this country has descended to - remember, damn it, Mark Twain, or OH Henry - are you seriously planning to dominate the Planet?
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 25 February 2016 21: 16
          +4
          Quote: Pravdarm
          And they will never back !!!

          The corrupt "brothers" will never become brothers, and the corrupt litter of the State Department will never become relatives! It is better to know enemies than such "relatives"!
        3. gergi
          gergi 25 February 2016 21: 58
          10
          What is happening in Ukraine is the same thing that happened after the October revolution. And there, and here, if you notice such a trifle, the government is almost entirely Jews. Occupation at its worst. As in the seventeenth year, all this is slightly, even carelessly camouflaged by Slavic surnames and names. And then, and now the titular nation begins to abruptly contract, die out. Is this not genocide? Then what is it? History repeats itself over and over. Khazar Khaganate in action. Rahdonites slave traders again create outrage on our lands.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 26 February 2016 11: 45
            +1
            Quote: gergi
            What is happening in Ukraine is the same thing that happened after the October revolution. And there, and here, if you notice such a trifle, the government is almost entirely Jews. Occupation at its worst.

            After February, actually. Capitalist ministers, an incomprehensible war, to which the soldiers are being driven, general desertion and draft evasion, the decomposition of the army, the slow agony of industry, which, by inertia, continues to carry out old grandiose projects with its last strength (who said the "Thailand contract"? laughing ), but more often rolled into the production of all kinds of consumer goods, such as lighters and potbelly stoves.

            After October owner of factories, newspapers, ships The chocolate king could hardly remain in power.
        4. CALL.
          CALL. 25 February 2016 22: 32
          0
          Eastern Ukraine to the Russian kingdom.

          Not a single document of that time has the name Ukraine. This name as a state appeared only in 1917.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 25 February 2016 20: 42
        14
        Quote: Rostov Dad
        So the symbols of victory are born in Ukraine

        Even dogs do not like this rag lol
        Putin himself must have sent them laughing
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 25 February 2016 21: 27
          0
          No, they even love very much, selflessly tearing up .. Salom stank of ensign ..
          Quote: GSH-18
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          So the symbols of victory are born in Ukraine

          Even dogs do not like this rag lol
          Putin himself must have sent them laughing
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist 26 February 2016 00: 50
            0
            Most likely g @ vnom.
        2. 4ekist
          4ekist 26 February 2016 00: 49
          0
          I agree, fellow countryman!
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 25 February 2016 20: 45
        16
        Quote: Rostov Dad
        So the symbols of victory are born in Ukraine

        This is not the same stinky rag that they brought to the UN?
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 25 February 2016 20: 47
          +7
          This is not the same stinky rag that they brought to the UN?
          She is laughing
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 25 February 2016 21: 04
            +5
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            She is

            Then it is clear. I can imagine what kind of ecstasy Svidomo would fall if Barack Huseynovich Obama himself held it in his hands.
            If I am not mistaken, this piece of matter is related to the Ukrainian "victory" at Ilovaisk.
            1. Rostov Papa
              Rostov Papa 25 February 2016 21: 14
              13
              If I'm not mistaken, then this piece of matter has to do with the Ukrainian "victory" at Ilovaisk
              You are not mistaken this is "Ilovaiskaya Shroud" laughing
              1. Pravdarm
                Pravdarm 25 February 2016 21: 17
                17
                Quote: Rostov Dad
                So another symbol of Ukraine’s victory was born
                You have the letter "E" combined with the letter "Yat" (the letter of the historical Cyrillic and Glagolitic alphabet) on your avatar. I would call it "Double-YAT" (Russian), by analogy with "Double-Y" (lat.)! Cool! laughing
                Then the famous phrase of S. Lavrov (D ..., B ...!) Would be denoted by one letter!
                And this topic, too, could be so designated!
                describing it another symbol of "victory of Ukraine"!
                Only one Russian letter to describe so much!
                Verily - Great and rich is the Russian language !!!
                drinks
                1. tol100v
                  tol100v 25 February 2016 21: 38
                  +5
                  Quote: Pravdarm
                  And this topic, too, could be so designated!

                  Beautiful analysis of linguistics! You can't even argue! And if the "partners" bring Lavrov, he will answer THEM very correctly!
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 25 February 2016 21: 14
              +3
              Quote: Gray Brother
              If I am not mistaken, this piece of matter is related to the Ukrainian "victory" at Ilovaisk.

              Yeah, according to the maydanuty benders. And so her just shabby dogs in the garbage bite lol
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 25 February 2016 21: 16
          +2
          Quote: Gray Brother
          This is not the same stinky rag that they brought to the UN?

          Eternally, they hang around with all kinds of crap. Everything normal has already been sold or pledged for debts lol
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 25 February 2016 21: 24
          +2
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Is this by any chance the same stinking rag they brought to the UN? "The Ukrainian delegation was kicked out of the UN hall for a leaky flag"

          Apparently stinked too much ... lol
          1. Michael67
            Michael67 25 February 2016 21: 48
            +5
            I did a study. In a transparent box, in addition to what you, dear viewers, observe, there was also a mop. Result of the research: The guard, put up for the protection of tidy equipment, lost .. a mop. The rest of the inventory remained intact. An administrative investigation initiated by a cleaner is being carried out on the fact of a .. loss.
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    3. iConst
      iConst 25 February 2016 22: 58
      +2
      Quote: GSH-18
      Rather, the stolen victories of Ukraine.

      - And under the spoiler (table of victories and defeats) - civil - whose victory is this? Big brother over little? Or maybe a son over a dad?
      1. Pereira
        25 February 2016 23: 10
        +3
        Our ancestors over the ancestors of emigrants and over the invaders.
        1. Pravdarm
          Pravdarm 25 February 2016 23: 50
          +1
          Forgot to thank for the article! I liked it very much!
          Pereira - Respect and Hello!. (Military) effect! soldier
          (Do not flattery! From a pure heart!)
          1. Pravdarm
            Pravdarm 26 February 2016 00: 11
            +1
            PS: Solovyov is fighting Nadezhdin - Satanovsky! Account (0: 10msk.) - 6666: 49770 (very much!) Evgeny Yanovich honestly smothers with arguments and facts while following this!
            Today (already yesterday) in the morning 05:58 in the article "Who teaches our children? Associate professor of MGIMO:" NATO emerged as a response to the Warsaw Pact "
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            -
            "I have been waiting for this article for a long time ... there is an answer: for example, such as Nadezhdin (sorry to swear on the site), by the way, he was a member of the initiative group to nominate the ex-head of Yukos Mikhail Khodorkovsky for deputy, then, like a prostitute, went from hand to hand (to the parties) SPS, Just Cause ... and still got warm in the United Russia! In 2012 he was already an observer in the elections, and as they say, from Putin! And wants to join the Duma in 16! - he also teaches at the university, lectures at the department law created at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology (MIPT) .... what will he teach and what will he sow in the minds? at our "top", it is definitely not all right ...
            I completely agree about this. Uhh!
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 26 February 2016 00: 28
              +1
              Truthdarm

              On TV, two (!) Jews - Nadezhdin and Satanovsky, in the program of the third Jew (!) - on the "RUSSIA" channel argue about the fate of the Russian people. ..PTs. ... Are you serious about this guano and are looking at it with emotion?
              1. Pravdarm
                Pravdarm 26 February 2016 00: 44
                +1
                Interesting all the same "ANAL.iz." for analysis!
                1. Pravdarm
                  Pravdarm 26 February 2016 01: 35
                  0
                  PS: Today, People's Artist of the USSR, 80-year-old Armen Dzhigarkhanyan signed in Gagarinsky REGISTRY OFFICE with the general director of his theater (on Lomonosov Avenue), 36 year old darling Vitalina (!) Tsymbalyuk(!) -Romanovskaya(!).

                  Triple "Russian ELITE"!
                  "Workers" from xstvo!


                  http://7days.ru/lifestyle/family/eksklyuziv-armen-dzhigarkhanyan-tayno-zhenilsya
                  . Htm
                  1. Pravdarm
                    Pravdarm 26 February 2016 02: 03
                    0
                    PyuPyuSu: Dzhigarkhanyan of course I respect! Talent!
                    But it looks like a "misalliance" for increasing weight, height and influence of what (!) - that "very" Russian "" talented "" "circle-beau monde-comme il faut! Of which there are a lot now both in sight and in the shade!
          2. Pereira
            26 February 2016 01: 03
            +1
            Thank. I have the honor.
    4. shalim
      shalim 26 February 2016 05: 28
      +1
      but of them spies are worthless)

      US POLICY ARRESTED “SCHOOLCHILDREN”, WHICH turned out to be a 23-year-old Ukrainian
      Citizen Nezalezhnaya with fake documents studied well and actively participated in school life
      Police in the US state of Pennsylvania arrested a graduate student who turned out to be a citizen of Ukraine with an expired visa and fake documents, writes the Washington Post.

      Arrested - Ukrainian Arthur Samarin, who arrived in the United States on a short-term visa - was known under the name Asher Potts in a secondary school in Harrisburg. He studied well, actively participated in school life and even was a member of the national honor society - a school organization uniting especially talented students. In addition, False Potts was involved in local naval cadet programs.
      Samarin was charged with embezzlement and falsification of documents. It is noted that law enforcement agencies became interested in him two months ago, when they received a signal about the double life of the “schoolboy”.
      According to educators, he seemed like a "very respectable guy," but fellow practitioners jokingly called Potts a "Russian spy" because of his accent.
    5. Vend
      Vend 26 February 2016 09: 45
      0
      Quote: GSH-18
      Stolen victories of the Ukrainian army

      Rather, the stolen victories of Ukraine.

      So they robbed themselves. Was Russia opposed? Victory Day has always been celebrated and salutes and parades. No one here except Svidomo themselves is not to blame.
  2. The black
    The black 25 February 2016 20: 32
    17
    A country with a small-town neo-Nazi ideology, the whole military “glory" of which is limited to a massacre of punitive battalions of peaceful Poles, Jews and Soviet specialists, does not need an army capable of hitting a probable enemy anywhere in the world. According to the tradition of their ideological predecessors from the OUN-UPA, seeking the protection of Hitler, modern Bandera rushed to look for new masters in NATO
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 25 February 2016 21: 01
      22
      "Thus, if we consider the situation impartially, then the newly-formed state of Ukraine has exactly the same inheritance rights to the military glory of the Russian Empire and the USSR, as the Russian Federation and Belarus."

      Tearing off Soviet awards and St. George’s ribbons from grandfathers, Ukraine has lost the right to military glory of the Russian Empire and the USSR!
  3. polite people
    polite people 25 February 2016 20: 33
    14
    Thank you so much for the article. The monument clearly shows the place of all the maydauns. At the bottom. We ourselves never pushed them there, and only their natural envy of bandits for the exploits of real men pushed them there.
    soldier
  4. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 25 February 2016 20: 34
    +8
    How Ukrainians will tell you that they defeated Alexander of Macedon.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 25 February 2016 20: 37
      18
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      How Ukrainians will tell you that they defeated Alexander of Macedon.

      They could not beat Alexander, because Alexander the Great was himself a Ukrainian.
      1. Primus pilus
        Primus pilus 25 February 2016 20: 46
        10
        Yeah, and then his name was Sashko Makedonenko. smile
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 25 February 2016 21: 11
          15
          Quote: Primus Pilus
          Yeah, and then his name was Sashko Makedonenko. smile

          laughing
  5. 73bor
    73bor 25 February 2016 20: 34
    10
    Yes, a Soviet soldier with a machine gun or a rifle, and a Ukrainian one with a can of tomatoes!
  6. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 25 February 2016 20: 36
    12
    Skakly voluntarily abandoned the heritage conquered by their ancestors. You will not be forcibly sweet; if you yearn for shame, then be him. Let the rods from mazep with banderki. wassat
  7. zao74
    zao74 25 February 2016 20: 36
    +7
    Why the article? Once again, Ukrainian.ov omit? They are so miserable. Rather, some of them, and small and maydanuty.
    1. jaguar
      jaguar 25 February 2016 21: 13
      +5
      I agree with you. I communicate a lot with relatives, friends, classmates from Ukraine .... very adequate people who understand everything perfectly and judge all the people by a bunch of Bandera scumbags repeat
      1. Pereira
        25 February 2016 21: 29
        +6
        I have one too. Only in the Donbass.
        And in the rest of the territory, they constantly write that they stopped communicating with relatives.
        So scumbags there are now not a bunch.
      2. 4ekist
        4ekist 26 February 2016 01: 00
        0
        Adequate and imputed minority there. I also have many friends and former colleagues, I often visited Sumy oblast. I don’t communicate.
  8. Sedoy_greek
    Sedoy_greek 25 February 2016 20: 40
    17
    The great civilization of proto-ukrov, which expelled the Macedonian, simultaneously dug out the Black Sea and invented the "combat hopak" in the current realities does not want to fight with dignity or work normally - how long will the Svidomo last ???
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 February 2016 20: 49
      +2
      Quote: Sedoy_Greek
      invented the "battle hopak"

      Yes, after half a liter of vodka there, you don’t need to invent anything special! laughing Poroshenko mean on gas "combat hopak" presses ??? belay lol
  9. Monos
    Monos 25 February 2016 20: 40
    20
    wassat Well, why? What commanders, such an army ...
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 25 February 2016 21: 03
      +6
      Quote: Monos
      Well, why? What commanders, such an army ...


      In your picture, the cockerel is the first to drink, followed by the herd. And in life, the herd was sent to the forefront for slaughter, to fight the invaders, and Petya has an "unsold" business on the territory of the "aggressor" country!
    2. avt
      avt 25 February 2016 21: 08
      +3
      Quote: Monos
      Well, why? What commanders, such an army ...

      So here it is that rare bird that flew to the middle of the Dnieper, which is wonderful in calm weather. wassat Where did you get that picture? laughing
      1. Monos
        Monos 25 February 2016 21: 16
        +6
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Monos
        Well, why? What commanders, such an army ...

        So here it is that rare bird that flew to the middle of the Dnieper, which is wonderful in calm weather. wassat Where did you get that picture? laughing


        laughing From the outskirts of tyrneta. Honestly communized.
        1. Pereira
          25 February 2016 21: 28
          +5
          No, I took pictures myself.
          It was I who demonstrated a bottle of gummy for them, bred for chench. Therefore, their faces are such.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 26 February 2016 12: 08
      +1
      Well, if you distract from politics, then the cock in this photo is well done.)) Takes responsibility.))
  10. ava09
    ava09 25 February 2016 20: 42
    +7
    This material is a difficult relation, the author himself, as it becomes clear, the chronicle of Russia begins in the Middle Ages. And the fact that the modern Khazars do in Maloros can’t dirty the memory of all those who lived before them on those Russian lands ...
    1. Pereira
      25 February 2016 20: 54
      +7
      Not from the Middle Ages, but from the moment of the official and legal entry of Eastern Ukraine and Kiev into the Russian state.
      The Middle Ages are a Mongol invasion and no later than the Renaissance.
      And I didn’t think of getting them dirty. On the contrary, I recognize the RIGHT to them. But if they themselves refused the RIGHT, who is their doctor?
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 25 February 2016 22: 34
        +3
        Quote: Pereira
        The Middle Ages are a Mongol invasion and no later than the Renaissance.


        Thanks for the interesting article-with the debut of you!
        Maybe you could supplement your justification for the right to be called Rus of the Moscow Principality with the fact that the Metropolitanate of Kiev and ALL RUSSIA It was moved in 1299 to Vladimir-on-Klyazma, and then to Moscow. In those days, it was very significant and gave rise to the Moscow princes (tsars) to be called lords All Russia hi
  11. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 25 February 2016 20: 44
    +5
    Pereira - victory over common sense - doesn’t count? For only in ukroin can rewrite the history of any country in the world and any era, and it turns out who would not have fought and won ukroin. ..
    1. Pereira
      25 February 2016 20: 55
      +2
      Theoretically, yes. As a polemic, this is a very successful statement.
      But this will be difficult to include in the history of military art.
  12. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 25 February 2016 20: 45
    27
    In general, the fact remains. The best army on the planet, as they flatter themselves, has no military victories
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 25 February 2016 21: 22
      +3
      For a huge demotivator + !!!!. Sorry, one.
  13. Pereira
    25 February 2016 20: 50
    15
    Following up on my own article.
    Formerly, Sidor Kovpak was a symbol of the national warrior of Ukraine.
    It's a shame and bitter that in public perception it was replaced by shameful avatars.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 25 February 2016 20: 58
      +3
      It is very interesting how Army General I.D. Chernyakhovsky coexists in their heroic pantheon. and Hauptsturmfuhrer SS Shukhevych.
      1. Pereira
        25 February 2016 21: 03
        +7
        Chernyakhovsky now has separ and padded jacket.
        Heroes - the victors of fascism in the country of victorious fascism were not needed.
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 25 February 2016 21: 26
        +1
        And the border symbol on KARATSYUPA castle? Start listing everyone, so your fists clench - it's OURS.
    2. tolancop
      tolancop 25 February 2016 21: 32
      -3
      The material is minus, but this post about the symbol of the national warrior of Ukraine Sidor Artemyevich Kovpak - he did.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 25 February 2016 22: 17
        +1
        To PEREIR subscriber: You are mistaken. The Institute of National Defense of Ukraine (former KVOKU) is still named after Chernyakhovsky. Padro held a speech there yesterday.
  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 25 February 2016 20: 50
    +8
    "The best army on the planet, as they flatter themselves, has no military victories." Little did they think of victories for themselves? They will also come up with ...
    The main thing that the electorate would believe ...
  15. In100gram
    In100gram 25 February 2016 20: 51
    +6
    In the photo at the end of the article in the grocery set there is not enough vodka. And so, we have nothing to share with Europe except Poland. repeat
  16. Vladimir57
    Vladimir57 25 February 2016 20: 55
    15
    Great Ukrainian warriors ...
    1. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 25 February 2016 21: 04
      15
      Great Ukrainian Warriors
  17. Jonson
    Jonson 25 February 2016 20: 56
    +5
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    So the symbols of victory are born in Ukraine

    Even dogs do not like this rag lol
    Putin himself must have sent them laughing

    This is the captured GRU special forces
  18. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 25 February 2016 20: 58
    +4
    To exchange victories for defeats is a change. Over the mind.
  19. Jonson
    Jonson 25 February 2016 20: 58
    +6
    By the way, there is a victory: they defeated the rubber wheels of our trucks when they drew flags on them
    1. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 26 February 2016 00: 33
      +4
      By the way, there is a victory: they defeated the rubber wheels of our trucks when they drew flags on them
      Dog separatist
  20. himanru
    himanru 25 February 2016 21: 00
    12
    Perhaps the official date for the reunification of Ukraine with Russia was January 1654, which was preceded by: 1) appeal of Khmelnytsky to the emperor of all Russia, 2) holding the Zemsky Sobor with the adoption of a positive resolution, 3) Pereyaslavskaya Rada, formally fixing the act of reunification.
    Renouncing their heroes, military traditions, their history, their ancestors - Ukrainians doom themselves to the most insignificant existence, and even that is short-lived. And there will be no trace of them in history, except for a dunghill.
    1. Pereira
      25 February 2016 21: 05
      +5
      With all due respect, no.
      The accession that I am writing about is the result of a peace treaty between two subjects of international law, Russia and Poland.
      Zaporizhzhya Sich has never been such a universally recognized subject.
      1. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 25 February 2016 21: 43
        +3
        Quote: Pereira
        Zaporizhzhya Sich has never been such a universally recognized subject.

        But what about the Zaporizhzhya Sich, if:
        1) In 1654, the agreement of the Pereyaslav Rada was not dropped on her and she lived her life, not submitting to the Kiev Patriarchate, but to Constantinople directly on the issue of religion.
        2) Under an interim agreement, 1667 was under joint control or something so allied of Poland and Russia, in the event of an attack of the Crimean Khanate on the Right Bank of the Lower Dnieper.
        3) Under an eternal peace treaty of 1686, it left Russia without a written agreement to the analogous Pereyaslav Rada.
        Do not you find that, according to international law, this is the same acquisition of the Muscovy as the Chernigov conquered by Moscow from "Belarus / Ukraine" in 1503, and which is no longer Ukraine?
        1. Pereira
          25 February 2016 22: 32
          +1
          1. Never Zaporizhzhya Sich was not an independent state. At different times, it was part of the Commonwealth, the Russian Empire and the Ottoman port.
          2. The second paragraph confirms this. This is an object of international politics.
          3. Under the contract, they lost it. They did not even conquer it, but took it as a contribution.

          But that is not the point. I repeat, Georgia, which voluntarily became part of the Republic of Ingushetia, had more internationally recognized sovereignty than the Polish Sich, which is not necessarily Zaporizhzhya.

          And do not drag Belarus here.
          1. Captain nemo
            Captain nemo 25 February 2016 23: 03
            0
            Quote: Pereira
            And do not drag Belarus here.

            Well, in 1503 Chernigov was still not Polish, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was there, I just didn’t want to write this long name, well, I wrote it in such an abridged version, so sorry for that.
            On the account of the fact that they gave it to us without a war, most likely they didn’t even have a written agreement, but they swore allegiance and we fought for them in the 13 year war and on the right bank we reached Lviv and then left.
            It is difficult for me to consider this an entry as Georgia, which wanted to be protected and without any disputes and fights it became part of Russia. And here some wars of betrayal and firing on their own in the case of the Poltava Regiment, which remained faithful to the oath of the king, but the words of Hetman were above all.
            1. Pereira
              26 February 2016 00: 55
              +1
              After the union, ON as a subject of international law can also be forgotten. At least by the indicated date, it was a state-limitrop. So whose Chernigov was then, is not so important. The important thing is that he became Russian. And with the war or not it is not so important, the main thing is that it was committed within the framework of the legal field.
              But this is all abstract reasoning. I do not quite understand what thought you were trying to convey?
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 26 February 2016 02: 30
          0
          Quote: Captain Nemo
          Under an eternal peace treaty, 1686 went to Russia without a written agreement to the analogous Pereyaslav Rada.


          And simply by the fact that not only Petro Poroshenko (sorry, Doroshenko), who was sold to the Turks with giblets, but also the Sultan himself was sent on an erotic journey in a famous letter - so, apart from Russia, who could she join?
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  21. xam0
    xam0 25 February 2016 21: 04
    +7
    The army serves the defense of their homeland, and those who fight with their people are punishers.
    1. wolfhound
      wolfhound 25 February 2016 21: 33
      -1
      you are more careful in expressions, you recall the Soviet time? and the post-Soviet Caucasus-army fulfills the tasks assigned to it by the forces and means that the leadership determined for it when setting the task.
  22. black
    black 25 February 2016 21: 07
    +4
    Therefore, the deputies of Ukraine decided. Rename Ukraine to Russia, and Russia to Muscovy. And they have all the victories. Wise people.
  23. Naval
    Naval 25 February 2016 21: 10
    +7
    How? Have you forgotten about the Great Konotop battle? This is an epic battle that went down in world history, though in the interpretation of the great ukrov. The day of this battle is declared a public holiday !!! Heroam Sala! drinks
    1. reservist
      reservist 26 February 2016 11: 09
      0
      Quote: Naval
      The day of this battle is declared a public holiday !!!

      Public holiday? In give ...

      near Konotop fought:
      The Russian kingdom: 50 "her" and 000 Cossacks of the order hetman Ivan Bespaly (total 6);

      "Great Ukrainian army": 17 Cossacks, 000 Cossacks from the Konotop garrison, 4 Poles and mercenaries, 40 000 Tatars !!!(total. 65)
      In total, out of 65, only 000 Cossacks, or 21% of the total number of the "Great Ukrainian Army".
  24. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 25 February 2016 21: 14
    17
    To begin with, the Ukrainians crawled into Russia in 1654, with an ass torn by the Poles. It is because of Ukraine that Russia fought with Poland. Donbass and Kharkov were never part of Ukraine, like many other territories. For example, Dnepropetrovsk was originally called Yekaterinoslav, and the capital of the Kuban, the city of Krasnodar, was formerly called Yekaterinodar, and the Kuban itself never belonged to Ukraine and was conquered by Russia from the Ottoman Empire, as well as the territory of present-day Odessa and other coastal cities. What did Russia get from Ukraine ?! Russia received from Ukraine: Mazepa, Bandera, Korchinsky, Farion, Petlyur, Yushchenko, Tyagnebok, Poroshenko, eternal theft and betrayal. It is time to return all this Ukraine to Poland, within the borders of 1654, in which Ukraine crawled into Russia ... returning the lands of Russia to Russia.
    1. wolfhound
      wolfhound 25 February 2016 21: 47
      -1
      please outline a brief outline of how to do this. what
      1. Corvetkapitan
        Corvetkapitan 25 February 2016 22: 34
        +3
        During the USSR, 20% of Russians lived in Azerbaijan, and now 5% live. Read about how this was done with the Russians in Azerbaijan, but it was not only in Azerbaijan. If, in the opinion of the Soviets, this could be done with the Russians, then it can be done with them, what are they better ?!
  25. crambol
    crambol 25 February 2016 21: 15
    +2
    Oooh! Hello, Vladimi!
    1. Flexsus
      Flexsus 25 February 2016 22: 07
      +2
      and this is what a.y.s.se.
  26. tolancop
    tolancop 25 February 2016 21: 20
    +4
    Ominusovat. Bullshit. Bullshit.
    ".. About the fact that the Little Russians inhabiting this region are equal with the Great Russians the creators of the Russian Empire (which, recall, was officially proclaimed on October 22, 1721) and have full and inalienable rights to both the general and military history of the empire .."An empire is a territory. A piece entered the empire, not the worst, but also not the largest and richest. An empire is an army. There were many Little Russians in the Russian army. But there were many Germans and representatives of other nationalities, did the Germans also have equal rights to the heritage of the empire? Empire is an industry! Industry in Little Russia before Potemkin? Hey, where is she? Tula, the Urals - I heard about these industrial centers that existed before the declaration of the empire. About Little Russia - it was not necessary. And then there is a Little Russian character who also apparently contributed to the creation of the Russian Empire - Mazepa! And he was not alone, he alone would not be interesting to the Swedes. There was some kind of military force behind Mazepa, and it is obvious that they were not from the Buryats (I have nothing against the Buryats, they just somehow, as they say, are "in trend"). But somehow the author forgot to mention it. Little Russians have NO equal rights to the heritage of the empire, NO. They didn't bring it in somehow. And the author of the material, on the one hand, seems to criticize the current Ukrainians, and if you think about it, it becomes clear that he is blowing the same Svidomo pipe - "give us what we earned !!!", "we somehow, sideways, but we will sit on someone else's glory and other people's merits "..
    The contribution of the Little Russians to the creation and formation of the empire was, to deny this is stupid and unfair. But to assert that their contribution is equal to Great Russian is insolent insolence. You have to be more modest ... I don’t even know what to call it ... more modest ...
    1. Pereira
      25 February 2016 21: 47
      +4
      Read carefully, and you will be happy.
      If Germany were part of the Russian Empire, then the Germans would also have the right. And no, call.
      And yet, you inexcusably know little about Little Russian characters in the Russian itoria.

      Empire is an industry!say? Empire is spirit, it is horizons and state thinking, it is the psychology and habits of the winners. Sewing factories and churns in this case are secondary. You are definitely not an imperial in spirit.

      And I did not write for the sake of pluses.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 25 February 2016 22: 26
        +2
        Sewing factories and churns in this case are secondary.


        Waking you up, dear man! How can one reason that secondarily, the left eye or the right. Empire, this is primarily power. There will be no power without industry. Empire is wealth. And not the wealth of the nobility, but the wealth of the peasant in the market, with a sly squint. In which barns are stuffed with grain, and chests are cut with fabric. On my own behalf, empire. this is when a smart citizen is rich. If smart in such an empire is poor, it is not an empire, but some sort of sultanate. And it’s a matter of time when smart people will drag it into separate states.
        1. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 25 February 2016 22: 50
          +2
          Quote: Asadullah
          How can one reason that secondarily, the left eye or the right.

          I have a right eye and a left eye. This is determined by extending your hand and squeezing all fingers except the index, find such a point when you can clearly see my avatar with an airplane with both eyes. Then, in turn, squeeze the left eye, and then the right. That eye which does not have a visual displacement of the finger is the leading one, from which it is necessary to aim, for example, when shooting from a bow, or a rifle. And if you aim from another eye, then you will miss.
        2. volodimer
          volodimer 26 February 2016 00: 19
          +1
          What do you Asadullah и tolancop so caught on to the industry? Empire is not "industry, or" power in the wealth of a peasant in the bazaar, with a cunning squint ... "The empire, it is in the peasant's awareness in the bazaar that behind him is not" barns filled with grain, but chests with cuts of fabric "(in this case, his stupidly robbed), and in the awareness that behind him is the power, the country, the EMPIRE! She will take you under her wing, cover and protect you in any situation, because she is the Empire, and no matter from what part of its territory you are a subject, you are HER subject , you are its citizen, and if someone encroached on you, then woe to him, for EMPIRE! The USSR was an Empire. And as for: "If the smart in such an empire is poor, this is not an empire, but some sultanate. And it's a matter of time when the smart ones will take him apart into separate states. "So here, of course, to Israel ...
          Only everyone is smart there, but the state is one ...
  27. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 25 February 2016 21: 27
    +2
    Well, how many times say what the new nation is doing - dill. Chevron came up with what was clearer. This means abandoning the ancestors and come up with something to keep you awake. And here they are attributed to some of the ancestors of the Little Russians. Great UKRs this is the topic. And Ukraine can be smashed boldly, after all, it was built not by the Ukr. But by some Russians (Little Russians, Great Russians and Belarusians). Like Russia (well, basically), and Ukraine is not Russia.
  28. shadow
    shadow 25 February 2016 21: 32
    +4
    Why didn’t he remember about the Prophetic Oleg? I would start right there. That's just not so simple.
  29. ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 25 February 2016 21: 37
    0
    Quote: Pravdarm
    On your avatar Yo combined with the letter "Yat" (old)

    Rather, an anagram combining letters: E, B, T lol
  30. Sally
    Sally 25 February 2016 21: 51
    0
    Even the author rode far from the first mention of the “Russians”, it seems, the year 860 or 862 (like in the PVL and sources from Byzantium)
  31. Kasimov
    Kasimov 25 February 2016 22: 06
    +2
    Quote: black
    Therefore, the deputies of Ukraine decided. Rename Ukraine to Russia, and Russia to Muscovy. And they have all the victories. Wise people.

    And then Crimea is not in Russia !!!! A pipe dream ....
  32. Flexsus
    Flexsus 25 February 2016 22: 06
    +2
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    So the symbols of victory are born in Ukraine

    Even dogs do not like this rag lol
    Putin himself must have sent them laughing

    he himself dragged them on a yellow-blue rag ...
  33. Captain nemo
    Captain nemo 25 February 2016 22: 17
    0
    I did not like the essence of the above.
    1) Express a desire then in 1654 they may have expressed their acceptance under their protection (as difficulties arise here with equal rights) with their people and lands, somewhere in the borders of the Zbor peace of 1649 on both banks of the Dnieper. And ultimately, in the Andrus world, the Kingdom of Moscow returned the awesome territories in Belarus, won in a fair fight, and without betrayal by the Litvins.
    Thus, the Left-bank Ukrainians gave their land to the right-bank, because they could walk on that Belarusian land, but the Left-bank did not.
    What is precipitated?
    Muscovy received Kiev bricks of churches, and Circassian thieves who, in 1611, "brotherly" squeezed Smolensk and Chernigov from Muscovy.
    2) The Russo-Polish war began with Russia declaring war on Poland, even before the oaths were taken from the Dnieper Cossacks, and it would have continued regardless of whether the Cossacks had sworn allegiance to the Tsar or not. Well, about how they "unconditionally" swore an oath, I think there is no need to remind once again.
    3) Subject to paragraph one, Ukraine did not enter the kingdom of Moscow, since the lion’s part remained in Poland, not forgetting to bring along a weighty part in Belarus.
    Ukraine did not join Russia in a military way in 1793, and not as it is interpreted by the official propaganda of tsarist and Soviet times. Or then we must admit that the Andrus world was not in Russia's favor and was not equal in value to historians.
    Thus, Ukraine does not have any historical rights, nor legal ones either, but this is not here, the lands received by Russia in the Russo-Turkish war ended in 1791, that is, before the 2nd partition of Poland not by military means.
    1. Pereira
      26 February 2016 01: 00
      +1
      Captain, you did not understand the main message. Legal subtleties are one thing. But military prowess and jointly shed blood in the all-empire army for common-empire interests are different.
      And if someone decided to lower the exploits of their ancestors into the toilet, he loses the right not only to his past, but also to his own future. What we have the misfortune to watch in Ukraine.
  34. atamankko
    atamankko 25 February 2016 22: 21
    +1
    Ukrainians stole their homeland, nailed it in a coffin and threw it in the trash.
  35. VeterS
    VeterS 25 February 2016 22: 24
    +4
    Afghan war !? Defeat!? You, my friend, are crazy ...
    1. Wind_zl
      Wind_zl 25 February 2016 22: 29
      +3
      Afghan war !? Defeat!? You, my friend, are crazy ...
      Considering that a thoughtless attitude to the history of your country easily turns a point of view into a tussock.
  36. Rubon
    Rubon 25 February 2016 22: 40
    +2
    For the Kiev in the 16th century, the Poles were paid in gold, I don’t remember the exact amount but not a little. hi
  37. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 25 February 2016 22: 46
    0
    The author cheats a little in the main thesis, out of ignorance or on purpose, I don't know. It is the Ukrainian wars that are known in history, there were victories and defeats there, you don't need to invent and pull anything by the ears. Those who studied during the Soviet era should remember the so-called "National Liberation War of the Ukrainian people under the leadership of B. Khmelnitsky", here it is worth adding numerous uprisings of the people against the Polish government, a series of Cossack wars and the reflection of the Crimean raids. In general, if you do not flirt, then everything is normal for Ukrainians with history and military successes.
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 25 February 2016 23: 23
      +1
      This is not a war, but a struggle / uprising from foreign oppression. In the case of Bohdan Khmelnitsky, it is very strange to liberate Lviv by ransom from the Lviv city authorities, leaving the unfortunate Lviv Ukrainians under the yoke. And then go on a campaign to Moldova, in the regions where there is no Ukrainian language and the writing there is also different in order to marry your sons to the Moldavian princess. What interest to the Crimean Khan, except for the material, was in what would "liberate" the people of Ukraine and conclude a military alliance with B Khmelnitsky. I understand the Polish uprisings from no one, they didn’t ask for anything, they rebelled and didn’t hope for anyone. And then there are either beggars who all the time, they don’t give something and therefore are not popular uprisings. And the large ones probably only existed with the alliance of B Khmelnytsky and the Crimean Khan, but I somehow hesitate to call this a popular uprising
    2. Mantykora
      Mantykora 25 February 2016 23: 36
      +3
      "The national liberation war of the Ukrainian people under the leadership of B. Khmelnytsky", here it is worth adding numerous uprisings of the people against the government of Poland, a series of Cossack wars and the repulsion of the Crimean raids

      Not Crimeans, but "Krymchaks", it is important to clarify, otherwise it turns out that the current Crimeans made raids ... The ethnic composition of Crimea then and now is incomparable.

      And we must look at the so-called "National Liberation War of the Ukrainian people under the leadership of B. Khmelnitsky" without the historical blinders of the Soviet and today's study of history (both Russian and Ukrainian), but from the point of view of its contemporary. How did the war begin? From the usual incident for the then Poland: the nobleman Chaplinsky attacked the nobleman Khmelnitsky in order to rob him, by force to take the estate and his wife. There was never a strong power of the king in Poland, and when Khmelnytsky did not find protection from the king, he fled to the Sich to sing sweet words for the Cossacks in order to raise them to revolt and take revenge. And the Cossacks were just happy - they wanted to live like the Panamas. Khmelnitsky was not and understood that the Cossacks alone could not defeat the troops of the Polish magnates, and even more so the crown army. And he called for help from the worst enemies - the Crimean Tatars, promising to rob in Ukraine. Then when the Tatars threw him, he turned to the Russians, Swedes, Moldovans ... but to anyone, because he did not want to go to the gallows. It turns out an ordinary civil war in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with the involvement of foreign troops. And I never called myself "Ukrainian" Khmelnytsky.
    3. Pereira
      26 February 2016 01: 01
      +1
      Announce a list of purely Ukrainian wars. Maybe I really missed something? With pleasure I will get acquainted.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 26 February 2016 02: 25
        +1
        Quote: Pereira
        Announce a list of purely Ukrainian wars.


        For example, the campaign of Darius against the Scythians in Ukrainian textbooks is called the "Ukrainian-Persian war" (NOT a joke!)
        1. Pereira
          26 February 2016 11: 32
          0
          I specifically pointed out in the article that Bebik’s fantasy is not considered.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 26 February 2016 02: 25
        0
        Quote: Pereira
        Announce a list of purely Ukrainian wars.


        For example, the campaign of Darius against the Scythians in Ukrainian textbooks is called the "Ukrainian-Persian war" (NOT a joke!)
  38. Weyland
    Weyland 26 February 2016 02: 24
    +1
    The table, to put it mildly, is not a fountain ...
    in real life:
    The Russian-Turkish war of 1676-81 is not a victory, but at best a draw!
    Russian-Swedish 1788-1790 - also a draw!
    Civil war is for someone a victory, but for someone it is the other way around (as in any civil war)!
    But the Afghan one - never a defeat, but a draw - Najibullah held on for another 3 years, and if the EBN Judah had not stopped the supply of weapons, it would have held on to this day!
    1. Pereira
      26 February 2016 11: 42
      0
      1. The Swedes started the war to recover what was lost in the Northern War. Failed. Definitely our victory for the conquest of Sweden did not stand before us.
      2. With Turkey, the issue is controversial, here I can agree.
      3. We are all descendants of the winners in Civil. The losers fled.
      4. EBN has nothing to do with it. I handed over to Najibullah the Hunchback. But it is not important. Tasks in Afghanistan are not achieved.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 27 February 2016 19: 24
        0
        Quote: Pereira
        Definitely our victory for the conquest of Sweden did not stand before us.


        But if it were not for the unfortunate 2nd Battle of Rochensalm - the Swedes would have been painfully punished! I suspect that we would have shoaled off Finland even then!

        The losers were not only whites, but all who hoped to sit out - and ended up in the bondage of a bloody Bolshevik dictatorship!

        Tasks in Afghanistan - were they real? We succumbed to the US provocation, believing that they themselves were going to occupy Afghanistan and create bases near us! In 1988, the Union was still quite strong - and the troops withdrew because they had finally thought - and what for do we really need this Afghanistan? There was something to take there - only this task was not posed: the usual Soviet nonsense was to push money into satellites instead of enslaving them like everyone else does!
  39. Wolka
    Wolka 26 February 2016 05: 24
    +1
    so it turns out that Ukrainians are a worthless nation, and all from their natural greed, pathological envy and laziness ...
  40. Neophyte
    Neophyte 26 February 2016 07: 27
    0
    In Dubovoy Park (Belgorod), until now, there is a powerful oak tree, under the canopy of which
    signed the eternal accession of Ukraine to Russia!
  41. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 February 2016 09: 22
    0
    It turns out that they themselves stole all the victories. This is to what insanity one must get. Ask yourself a question - how did it happen?
  42. unknown
    unknown 26 February 2016 10: 23
    +1
    Quote: vsoltan
    Truthdarm

    On TV, two (!) Jews - Nadezhdin and Satanovsky, in the program of the third Jew (!) - on the "RUSSIA" channel argue about the fate of the Russian people. ..PTs. ... Are you serious about this guano and are looking at it with emotion?


    Shlomo Sand (professor at Tel Aviv University) "Who and How Invented the Jewish People".
    Easy to download on the Internet. I advise.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 February 2016 16: 09
      0
      Do you really believe that it is all about nationality? Well, then you’re a sick man. Then you need to live in a banderlog. By the example of the same match, is it not clear who Nadezhdin and who are Satanovsky?
  43. ava09
    ava09 26 February 2016 11: 06
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    Not from the Middle Ages, but from the moment of the official and legal entry of Eastern Ukraine and Kiev into the Russian state.
    The Middle Ages are a Mongol invasion and no later than the Renaissance.


    Living according to the "Russian history", written by the "scientists" who came to Russia, Miller, Schlötser and Bayer at the request of the Romanovs, we become "Ivans of RODstva who do not remember." And what kind of Great State is this that has conquered half of the world, but about which not a SINGLE material evidence has survived, which did not have a written language, did not consist of numerous nomadic pastoralists, and about which the Mongols themselves were neither dream nor spirit? There is a lot of irrefutable evidence to list at least a small part in this format. And you, as I understand it, believe in fairy tales ...
  44. iouris
    iouris 26 February 2016 12: 26
    0
    Quote
    Thus, if we look at the situation impartially, the newly-created state of Ukraine has exactly the same inheritance rights to the military glory of the Russian Empire and the USSR, like the Russian Federation and Belarus.
    End of quote.
    Only the Russian Federation is the internationally recognized successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR. Only the Russian Federation paid and paid the state debt of the USSR.
    Thus, if we consider the situation impartially, then not a single newly formed state, especially "Novo Bandera Ukraine", is the legal successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and therefore has no rights to the military glory of the Russian Empire and the USSR.
  45. PKTRL
    PKTRL 27 February 2016 01: 40
    -1
    Let's digress from the current situation and our attitude to the punitive in the Donbass and recall that Eastern Ukraine, along with Kiev, became a part Moscow kingdom in the middle of the 17th century. On January 30 (February 9), 1667 the Andrusov armistice was concluded, under which the Commonwealth ceded Smolensk and Left-bank Ukraine in favor Russian kingdom.
    Oh .. fool!
  46. PKTRL
    PKTRL 27 February 2016 01: 40
    -1
    Let's digress from the current situation and our attitude to the punitive in the Donbass and recall that Eastern Ukraine, along with Kiev, became a part Moscow kingdom in the middle of the 17th century. On January 30 (February 9), 1667 the Andrusov armistice was concluded, under which the Commonwealth ceded Smolensk and Left-bank Ukraine in favor Russian kingdom.


    Oh .. fool!