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A new production of the Almaz-Antey concern has opened in Kirov

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On Saturday in Kirov, the grand opening of the Kirov Machine-Building Enterprise, a new rocket plant that is part of the Almaz-Antey concern, took place, the blog reports bmpd with reference to the resource ikirov.ru.




“Today (February 20) Dmitry Rogozin and Governor Nikita Belykh inspected the plant, took part in the production start ceremony. The Vice Prime Minister stressed: today is a big day for the country, for the Kirov region, for the entire military-industrial complex of Russia, ”writes the Kirov edition.

“The very fact that the plant, which works on the subject of military-space defense, has begun work is one of the best answers of our country and our people to sanctions. This is a demonstration that the sanctions only awaken the best that is in our national character, striving for a goal, despite any obstacles, ”said Rogozin at the ceremony.

Products "Almaz-Anthea" today is very popular in the world.

"There is practically a struggle to move our turn forward and get the coveted system" C-300 ". But what the Kirov region will do at this plant is already a step forward. These are new systems that will be of great importance for ensuring the defense capability of our country. We are confident in the huge export potential, ”the Deputy Prime Minister said.

In turn, the general director of the concern, Yan Novikov, said that “at the present time, the company has almost completed all construction and installation work. Installed equipment, commissioning work started. "

According to him, “the total investment amounted to more than 20 billion rubles, including more than 13 billion rubles - from the group’s own funds”.

Novikov noted that the project of the plant "laid the possibility of changing the product range - the new plant will be able to quickly master new products and begin their mass production without additional technical re-equipment."

“The level of informatization of the new enterprise has no analogues in Russia. Digital pre-production includes the automation of design and creation of programs for CNC machines. This ensures the management of all design and technological information about each product in electronic form and full integration with the resource management system. This allows you to quickly and accurately perform production planning, procurement planning, monitor the progress of production and keep track of costs, “- said the publication.

The resource recalls that the decision to build the JSC "Kirov Machine-Building Enterprise" was made in 2010 year, and construction work began in the 2012 year. After the plant reaches its full capacity, the number of workers on it will be more than 1800 people.

A new production of the Almaz-Antey concern has opened in Kirov
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  1. izya top
    izya top 23 February 2016 13: 48
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    and it’s good. Now the vocational schools and technical schools need to, otherwise there will be no one to work, but the maneuvers will not turn the nuts
    1. seti
      seti 23 February 2016 13: 55
      65
      With God guys. Let your products protect the sky of our country and all those countries that buy their products for defense against foreign invaders.
      1. maxiban
        maxiban 23 February 2016 14: 14
        37
        Great event. Happy holiday to all!
        1. cniza
          cniza 23 February 2016 15: 32
          15
          Products "Almaz-Anthea" today is very popular in the world.


          This is the most important thing, earn money and provide our defense.
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        3. PKK
          PKK 23 February 2016 16: 28
          +8
          Now call to work all the still alive Soviet ChPU employees, give them double salaries and they will make products of better quality than planned.
          1. ver_
            ver_ 23 February 2016 16: 55
            16
            ... much more effective - recruiting and training a profession right at the factory in the right specialties ...
            1. Mister22408
              Mister22408 23 February 2016 23: 52
              0
              Old Komsomol members do not like the earth at all, from the word at all.
            2. sibiryouk
              sibiryouk 26 February 2016 07: 16
              0
              Previously, this worked better for education and training than the education system.
          2. Mister22408
            Mister22408 23 February 2016 23: 51
            -2
            In that process, the CNC is not much in demand ...
          3. xBoris
            xBoris 24 February 2016 16: 27
            +1
            .. yeah, and managers - where to put it ..? belay
            Right now, a team of technicians will be hired, and for each hard worker they will be "put" in a gang of departments and services for entanglement and intimidation.
            1. pesny2006
              pesny2006 26 February 2016 11: 13
              0
              Yes, unfortunately this is almost everywhere ...
          4. sibiryouk
            sibiryouk 26 February 2016 07: 14
            +1
            I am a Soviet ChPUshnik - I have been working at the space technology plant since 1982 and have not gone anywhere in the most difficult years, like many of my workmates!
          5. kumaxa
            kumaxa 26 February 2016 11: 13
            0
            call to pay and put mentors here it will be. and so mono in many industries to create one.
        4. PKK
          PKK 23 February 2016 16: 28
          +3
          Now call to work all the still alive Soviet ChPU employees, give them double salaries and they will make products of better quality than planned.
          1. frei67
            frei67 23 February 2016 22: 51
            -4
            only salaries to them no one will add sn at this plant 15 to
            1. Mister22408
              Mister22408 23 February 2016 23: 53
              -4
              No need to sadden the pioneers ...
              1. dali
                dali 24 February 2016 01: 48
                +2
                Quote: Mister22408
                No need to sadden the pioneers ...

                And you are not the case of former scouts? laughing
                1. Mister22408
                  Mister22408 11 March 2016 20: 54
                  0
                  I was received in October as the second time - as morally unstable fellow And so - yes, from the former laughing
            2. dali
              dali 24 February 2016 01: 47
              0
              Quote: frei67
              only salaries to them no one will add sn at this plant 15 to

              You, sixty-seven times free, personally reported what salaries there ?! belay
              1. frei67
                frei67 28 February 2016 08: 18
                +1
                And I live in Kirov and know very well how many people in our defense industry receive. The whole city plows on the defense industry
            3. SSR
              SSR 24 February 2016 03: 43
              +1
              Quote: frei67
              only salaries to them no one will add sn at this plant 15 to

              Personally, I don’t know a single (working for the defense industry) "locksmith" who goes to a salary below 35K and then 35K with the condition without strong tension and the ability to assemble and remove a man-made smokehouse, barbecue, moonshine and other technical devices.)))
              1. sibiryouk
                sibiryouk 26 February 2016 07: 18
                +2
                And I know many!
              2. frei67
                frei67 27 February 2016 23: 16
                +2
                come to Kirov and find out
        5. Patriot2012
          Patriot2012 24 February 2016 09: 26
          +1
          But fly in the ointment, the Nazis could not destroy the Volgograd Tractor Plant, during the war it worked and produced tanks that went straight from the assembly line into battle, and here is the result of the work of our new managers and the so-called "Hosts"

          http://oblvesti.ru/news/v-seti-pojavilos-video-razrushenogo-volgogradskogo-trakt
          ornogo-zavoda.html
          http://www.yaplakal.com/forum28/topic1321458.html
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    3. RUSS
      RUSS 23 February 2016 13: 56
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      Quote: iza top
      and it’s good. Now the vocational schools and technical schools need to, otherwise there will be no one to work, but the maneuvers will not turn the nuts

      Salaries should be worthy in production, then people will be pulled, and training can be taken directly at production, and not as before welders and locksmiths were kept in vocational schools for three years.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 23 February 2016 15: 05
        40
        Quote: RUSS and training can be passed directly and at the factory, and not as before welders and locksmiths were kept in vocational schools for three years.

        They kept it for a reason. The system was. I, here recently, talked with a person who worked at the Irkutsk aircraft plant. So, damn it, no one needs young specialists. You have to earn money, not bother with students. Who pays him for it? Here in the USSR, there was a vocational school specialized for the same plant. Besides, there were others. People underwent practice several times during the training. The master cooked THEIR, "for himself." There was continuity.
        By the way, what good specialist does not need a theory?
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 23 February 2016 15: 35
          +9
          Quote: avva2012
          Money must be earned, not messing with students

          I paid for mentoring and training the trainee at the factory and now they are paying, I worked at the factory, I know.
          Quote: avva2012
          By the way, what good specialist does not need a theory?

          The theory is needed, but not for 2, it’s possible to shorten the course of study, and now we are going to.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 23 February 2016 16: 36
            +6
            Quote: RUSS I paid for mentoring and training the trainee at the factory and now they are paying, I worked at the factory, I know.

            Maybe they pay. It's hard to say how much. The opinion of the person whom, as I have cited, is difficult for me, personally, to challenge. He is 60 years old, most of his life, he worked at this factory. There is something to compare.
            The theory is needed, but not for 2, it’s possible to shorten the course of study, and now we are going to.

            Soviet power was strong. If, remember, one of the foundations of socialism is "control and plan." Anything, but in my opinion, people did not eat bread for nothing (and did not sit), if a vocational school was invented. To me, a person who is already retired, said that it is necessary to return what was under socialism. In my opinion, he knows better.
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            2. RUSS
              RUSS 23 February 2016 16: 53
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              "Anything, but in my opinion, people did not eat bread for nothing (and did not sit), if the vocational school was invented.

              I am not against vocational schools, I am for accelerated education, not specialized training, and secondly, there is no recruitment in vocational schools .... the youth do not want to go to factories or construction sites ..
              Quote: avva2012
              To me, a man who is already retired, said that it was necessary to return what was under socialism.

              You can and need something.
              1. Nikita74
                Nikita74 23 February 2016 18: 25
                +1
                Well, why the heck is needed (highly specialized), now, on the contrary, the technique is becoming more and more difficult from year to year. A person needs to be comprehensively developed, and for a separate operation, robots are
                1. Baikonur
                  Baikonur 23 February 2016 19: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: nikita74
                  Well, why the heck is needed (highly specialized), but for a separate operation robots are
                  Quote: izya top
                  and then there will be no one to work, not the manegers of the same nut will twist

                  WILL BE! These managers are generally not even UZKO-specialized, but generally NIKAK-non-specialized. And the time will come when: "if he doesn’t know how, we will teach! If he doesn’t want to, we’ll force it! For stupidly-robots-nut-twists, just !!!
                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 23 February 2016 21: 47
                  0
                  Quote: nikita74
                  Well, why the heck is needed (highly specialized), now, on the contrary, the technique is becoming more and more difficult from year to year. A person needs to be comprehensively developed, and for a separate operation, robots are

                  Robots? Yes Yes.
                3. Mister22408
                  Mister22408 23 February 2016 23: 59
                  -1
                  Do not tell me the level of ripples when washing?
            3. VALERIK_097
              VALERIK_097 23 February 2016 19: 58
              +5
              In order to draw a specialist to the level of the 3rd category, you need at least 5 years, if this is a narrow specialization, and even more.
              Yes, brigade-production training is a good thing when the brigade 50% consists of specialists no lower than 4th category, and when the training process for young specialists does not interfere with the implementation of the main tasks.
              Like a brigadier I say.
              In addition, each member of the brigade should have 2-4 related professions according to the profile of the enterprise. It is difficult, of course, to go through several re-certifications per year, confirming the qualifications, but without this there is nowhere.
              It's a shame that the company pays extra for only one related profession.
              1. saber
                saber 23 February 2016 20: 17
                0
                In the third category, 5 years old? Only if the unsuccessful boy-moron. if there is a maza, in a year it will learn
                1. VALERIK_097
                  VALERIK_097 23 February 2016 20: 28
                  +1
                  Well, don’t tell anyone else like that. There is ECTS, please read what you need to know, say a fitter of the 3rd category ship.
                  1. saber
                    saber 24 February 2016 08: 38
                    0
                    I came to the factory as a student of Chpushnik, to absolutely unknown machines. six months later, my glorious mentor quit and I performed work on 5-6 categories. so I repeat, if there is something in the head, the year and the 3rd category is EASY!
                  2. VALERIK_097
                    VALERIK_097 25 February 2016 20: 32
                    0
                    Once again, DO NOT confuse the lathe and submarine compartments. Specialization of PPU, PTU-heh 3rd category for the year? (Given that the projects are different)
              2. Mister22408
                Mister22408 24 February 2016 00: 00
                0
                Keep
              3. nikon7717
                nikon7717 26 February 2016 15: 48
                0
                5 years to 3 discharge? Where did you fall from? My personal experience: while studying extramurally at the Ural State Technical University-UPI I passed industrial training. After 3 of the year I had the 4 discharge of a mechanic for assembly work, while I independently mastered planing and milling machines. I did not pass the examination for qualification as a machine operator, but I knew everything at least in terms of the 3 level. Two weeks before passing the exam for the 5 category of a mechanic, I was taken to an engineering position.
                In the school for 2 years on the CPC they prepared and produced with the ranks 2-3. For 5 years on 3 it is a handshake and mediocrity to be still necessary)))
          2. wolk71
            wolk71 23 February 2016 17: 21
            +3
            Yeah they pay, a penny. Students need to be trained, trained, poked with their noses everywhere, not when to make money, you need to make a plan.
          3. Mister22408
            Mister22408 23 February 2016 23: 57
            0
            Kittayoz when they saw a weld at an exhibition near the T-50 - they said that it was a fake. I have no words.
            1. Edge
              Edge 24 February 2016 20: 45
              0
              Chinoise cook duralumin! We have successfully merged titanium welding technology.
          4. ARES623
            ARES623 24 February 2016 08: 10
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            The theory is needed, but not for 2, it’s possible to shorten the course of study, and now we are going to.

            Do not forget, my friend, that for three years in vocational schools they also received secondary education, grades 9-10, and on the basis of 10 classes the term of study in vocational schools was on average 10 months. And, if you worked in production, you know that without such disciplines as materials science, metalworking, electrical engineering, you really cannot train a welder, a turner, or a locksmith. On the production site, one can only go on probation, and in some places improve qualifications, if this is not a training and production plant. There are no teachers in the staff. And only a person who is far from the educational process can assign the work of a teacher to a mentor.
            1. Pre-cat
              Pre-cat 24 February 2016 14: 37
              0
              Everything is correct. Vocational schools did a backlog for the future. Of course, not everyone needed a theory, but if even one out of a hundred was carried away and continued their education, then a very intelligent engineer who knew both theory and practice was obtained.
          5. sibiryouk
            sibiryouk 26 February 2016 07: 19
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: avva2012
            Money must be earned, not messing with students

            I paid for mentoring and training the trainee at the factory and now they are paying, I worked at the factory, I know.
            Quote: avva2012
            By the way, what good specialist does not need a theory?

            The theory is needed, but not for 2, it’s possible to shorten the course of study, and now we are going to.
        3. starper
          starper 23 February 2016 16: 01
          14
          I myself studied at a vocational school for 3 years, I studied for a turner, I can say for sure that it is too much, you can do a good machinist in a year if you do not study political economics, aesthetics, Brezhnev’s works and other nonsense. But Spets with a capital letter, yes there is one year you will not get off.
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 23 February 2016 16: 05
            +7
            Quote: starper
            I myself studied at a vocational school for 3 years, I studied for a turner, I can say for sure that it is too much, you can do a good machinist in a year if you do not study political economics, aesthetics, Brezhnev’s works and other nonsense. But Spets with a capital letter, yes there is one year you will not get off.

            That's right, one can become a specialist only with practice as in everything, but a qualified techie only through an institute.
            1. Nick
              Nick 23 February 2016 16: 38
              +6
              Quote: RUSS
              That's right, one can become a specialist only with practice as in everything, but a qualified techie only through an institute.

              It all depends on the teachers. My father studied at a technical school with a degree in metalworking. At that time, special subjects were taught by teachers evacuated from Leningrad, there were even professors. So he, when he graduated from the institute as a metallurgical engineer, believed that the institute was special. subjects to him additional knowledge, practically did not add.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 23 February 2016 21: 48
                +1
                Quote: Nick
                So he, when he graduated from the institute as a metallurgical engineer, believed that the institute was special. subjects to him additional knowledge, practically did not add.

                There can be no engineer and technologist without an institute.
                1. Nick
                  Nick 23 February 2016 22: 24
                  +8
                  Quote: RUSS
                  There can be no engineer and technologist without an institute.

                  I have a good friend who graduated from vocational school in the 70s as an electrician. But soon he went to work as a draftsman of the 5th grade. Working conditions are difficult, but the salary was about 500 rubles, almost a director's, and the pension was five years earlier. So this nugget, so learned to make pipe drawing technological schemes, that the breakage dropped to almost zero, and the productivity increased by 30-35 percent. Technologists with higher education then stupidly copied them and passed off as their developments, receiving significant awards for this. And when, at the beginning of the XNUMXs, it became necessary to master the drawing of pipes from a new, copper-nickel alloy, after long torments and ordeals, our technologists invited the very same wire-drawing electrician. He calculated the drawing scheme in such a way that the pipe started immediately and the breakage disappeared, and the productivity doubled. Then, as I heard, one tovarisch, a helluva lot of "quick-witted", used this scheme in his Ph.D. thesis, on the technology of coiled drawing of pipes from copper-nickel alloys.
                  In a word, without an institute, you can’t make a candidate out of another’s development.
                  1. Lunic
                    Lunic 24 February 2016 07: 00
                    +5
                    It’s the same here (in the USA). I myself came across more than once when my engineering staff beautifully designed and presented my ideas as my developments. What was to be done? :) I just arrived in the country, I did not really know the language. over the years, I learned to be silent in a pipe and give out ideas only after appropriate design and with the obligatory notification of everyone and all that development belongs to me. after this, things went uphill ... By the way, I have a vocational school ... 1 year Sevastopol Higher Professional School of Communications and Information Technology (after 10 years of course). quite enough for a narrow specialization, but not enough to be an excellent specialist. Learn to study and study again, I tell my children.
                2. sibiryouk
                  sibiryouk 26 February 2016 07: 23
                  0
                  But not every graduated institute-engineer or technologist is a person with a diploma!
            2. tol100v
              tol100v 23 February 2016 17: 05
              15
              Quote: RUSS
              , but a qualified techie only through the institute.
              Only through self-education! You will never become a techie at the institute, for the reason that the one who gives lectures to you most likely knows nothing, and never holds the keys in his hands. You can believe it or not, but there has not yet been such a precedent for a theorist to find and eliminate the cause of the breakdown! This is a fact!
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 23 February 2016 17: 27
                18
                Quote: Tol100v
                You can believe it or not, but there has not yet been such a precedent for a theorist to find and eliminate the cause of the breakdown! This is a fact!

                ... absolutely true ... a theory without practice ... that doesn’t cost anything ... well, and vice versa ... remember, in the USSR education system ... whose primary element was just a high school, with the maximum basic level of knowledge! ... exams after the 8th grade ... already made it possible to assess the ability to further education ... graduation 10 is the final point of secondary education, then who can help:
                - vocational school - vocational education - initial!
                - Technical school - secondary vocational
                - Institute - Higher Professional
                ... Comrades, all steps are important, it makes no sense to compare vocational schools and technical schools ... hi
                P.S. ... look equally funny:
                - A vocational school who knows how to make a "piece of iron", but not having knowledge of materials, does not know what to make it
                - The institute who knows what, but having no practice does not know how ... hi
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 23 February 2016 18: 40
                  +7
                  Practicing at school is also important. I got my first salary in 7 years. I almost burst with pride when I brought my money home. laughing 5,22 per week. And it worked either 2, or 4 hours a day.
                2. woron333444
                  woron333444 24 February 2016 08: 24
                  +2
                  My son with two higher ones works as a BMP collector, he refused to go to technologists
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 23 February 2016 21: 49
                -2
                Quote: Tol100v
                Only through self-education

                Ka Lomonosov? Do you know what is the 21st century outside?
              3. Lieutenant Izhe
                Lieutenant Izhe 23 February 2016 22: 47
                0
                You can believe it or not, but there has not yet been such a precedent for a theorist to find and eliminate the cause of the breakdown! This is a fact!

                1. and WHERE and WHOM did you learn from?
                2. There are military universities where military engineers are trained ... so it seems to you that a teacher in a special department will not be able to detect a malfunction in the equipment (special equipment) for which he has been lecturing and conducting exercises for 10-15 for years?
                Therefore, for me, your statements are - Nonsense of an Ignorant ignoramus, NOT MORE!
                1. ksv1973
                  ksv1973 23 February 2016 23: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
                  You can believe it or not, but there has not yet been such a precedent for a theorist to find and eliminate the cause of the breakdown! This is a fact!

                  1. and WHERE and WHOM did you learn from?
                  2. There are military universities where military engineers are trained ... so it seems to you that a teacher in a special department will not be able to detect a malfunction in the equipment (special equipment) for which he has been lecturing and conducting exercises for 10-15 for years?

                  Any teacher in any "special department" is primarily a practitioner. And no matter how many years he stands with a pointer near the board. The important thing is how much he knows how to hide from students his degree of readiness to become a practitioner again at any time.
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              4. Mister22408
                Mister22408 24 February 2016 00: 05
                +1
                Yes, not a fact. He also beat out with PM 79 in old age - his kingdom to heaven ...
            3. VALERIK_097
              VALERIK_097 23 February 2016 20: 20
              +1
              Well, through the institute, it’s also not an option, I have nuggets in the team, it’s enough to indicate the place, what to do and I forgot everything about them, they come mainly with a report on the work done, you can go to the OTC and VP. And there are 3 people with higher education, which are dumbfounded by stupid questions, although everything is elementary (((. Read the drawing, you will understand everything there.
              1. ksv1973
                ksv1973 23 February 2016 20: 43
                +1
                Quote: VALERIK_097
                Read the drawing, you will understand everything there.

                And who said that they would be able to read the drawing ?! Nowadays there are a lot of freshly baked "managers" who bought tests and exams in terms of thermekh and resistance to materials for money. But at the same time, they were initially ready to walk around the shop in a tie and hand out "valuable" instructions for repainting the machines from green to pink. This is not a metaphor and not a recollection of the plot of "Our Rashi" - this is a FACT. On one of my business trips, I saw three pink machines with OWN EYES. It was in Saratov, I don't remember the name of the enterprise, because every year I visit dozens of different factories. But the photo was preserved, I could not just walk past the PINK machine!
                1. VALERIK_097
                  VALERIK_097 23 February 2016 21: 42
                  +2
                  Well, I don’t know what to answer))))). In our workshop, usually (always) people wear helmets, and they usually send inspectors (if they are not firefighters), do not touch the debugged mechanism, and for some reason we don’t have pink machines.
                  homosexuality has not reached us yet))).
                  Sorry, I’m mistaken, there are such, I could even write down the names, but it’s kind of like with the rank, but we can’t find the army and the navy in Russian, but these names slow down the repair so much, Mama don’t worry.
                  I promise somehow it wasn’t there. I’ll send the pig to the sea in a year and a half, but Tambov, as the stars will fall.
                  1. Mister22408
                    Mister22408 24 February 2016 00: 08
                    0
                    Are the welded ones all right? ...
              2. ksv1973
                ksv1973 23 February 2016 20: 43
                +1
                Quote: VALERIK_097
                Read the drawing, you will understand everything there.

                And who said that they would be able to read the drawing ?! Nowadays there are a lot of freshly baked "managers" who bought tests and exams in terms of term mech and resistance to materials for money. But at the same time, they were initially ready to walk around the shop in a tie and hand out "valuable" instructions for repainting the machines from green to pink. This is not a metaphor and not a recollection of the plot of one of the series "Our Rashi" - this is a FACT. On one of my business trips, I saw three pink machines with OWN EYES. It was in Saratov, I don't remember the name of the enterprise, because every year I visit dozens of different factories. But the photo was preserved, I could not just walk past the PINK machine!
          3. In search
            In search 23 February 2016 19: 00
            +1
            All three years as a turner at the school? I myself studied at a vocational school, but they trained, in 3 years, in the profession of "general machine operator". The first year - turning, the second year - milling, and the practice was held in our own workshops. The third year, work in production in your chosen specialty, there is practically no study. How did you teach you all 3 years for one turner?
          4. ARES623
            ARES623 24 February 2016 09: 08
            0
            Quote: starper
            I myself studied at a vocational school for 3 years, I studied for a turner, I can say for sure that it is too much, you can do a good machinist in a year if you do not study political economics, aesthetics, Brezhnev’s works and other nonsense. But Spets with a capital letter, yes there is one year you will not get off.

            I am ashamed to ask, how many classes did you finish before vocational school? There was no political economy as a subject in the USSR, there was "political economy", but at the rate of higher education, not a vocational school, that's for sure. Many people today believe that education is not needed for more than four grades. Under the USSR, there was compulsory secondary education, because they tried to shove grades 9-10 into the heads, those who were 8 in the bulk were poorly mastered. Remember how PTU-GPTU was deciphered among the people - God help t ... get settled. No offense, but try to refute. I did not study at a vocational school, some of my classmates went through these institutions, today they are highly qualified specialists in working specialties, but we will gather for meetings, we will knock over a glass or two, and we begin to cry over the lost opportunities. They complain that dad and mom were not whipped in time to study. There are very few fans, like Gosha from "Moscow with tears ...." My father, a 6th grade turner, has more than fifty years of "turning" experience. When I passed at 6, I remember reading something on the "political line of the party", there was a case. Sometimes it is necessary to force people to read something "smart", documentary, and when they undertake to discuss unread, such as the law "on education ..." or "on the police", their ears "wither."
        4. Res_Ullus
          Res_Ullus 23 February 2016 19: 54
          0
          Why are you doing this? Your friend does not know anything (In Irkutsk, as it was.
          http://irkat.ru/
          http://www.edu.ru/db/portal/nprof/npo_inf.php?isn=2
          Naturally, much has changed, but nonetheless)))
          There are many acquaintances there now, and many in the system so far.
        5. ksv1973
          ksv1973 23 February 2016 23: 04
          0
          Quote: avva2012
          By the way, what good specialist does not need a theory?

          A good specialist is good because he is ready and happy to study all his life - both theoretically and practically - and thereby raise his qualifications higher and higher.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 23 February 2016 23: 19
            +2
            But it hurts smart just do not need. Take Perelman.
            1. Mister22408
              Mister22408 24 February 2016 00: 10
              0
              Do not confuse God's providence with an egg ...
        6. ksv1973
          ksv1973 23 February 2016 23: 04
          +1
          Quote: avva2012
          By the way, what good specialist does not need a theory?

          A good specialist is good because he is ready and happy to study all his life - both theoretically and practically - and thereby raise his qualifications higher and higher.
        7. woron333444
          woron333444 24 February 2016 08: 23
          +1
          I have a familiar kid who goes to the factory (a branch of Uralvagon) as a turner student - 18000r students
        8. tundra
          tundra 24 February 2016 22: 20
          0
          Previously, there were vocational schools and technical schools, directly factory, which prepared, special in directly for this plant.
      2. dauria
        dauria 23 February 2016 17: 36
        +5
        , and not as before, welders and fitters were kept in vocational schools for three years.


        Actually, they went after the 8th grade and still graduated from the tenth year.
        1. Res_Ullus
          Res_Ullus 23 February 2016 20: 00
          0
          I came after the tenth. Then the courses of electric installer, army, institute. So it was. So it is now. So gentlemen, all-crawlers do not need *******))))) All-crawlers, this is not for you)
      3. ksv1973
        ksv1973 23 February 2016 23: 44
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        ... and you can get training directly and at the factory, and not as before welders and locksmiths were kept in vocational schools for three years.

        Previously, in vocational schools, in addition to production skills, production discipline was also instilled. Being late for classes for a few minutes was unacceptable.
        They studied at vocational schools after graduating from an 8-year school, 2 years were allotted in order to make a person with a secondary education out of gouging - this was required by the law. And the third year (and partly the two previous ones) is the time spent by the state in order - at least minimally - to turn the "jerk" into a blank for a "specialist". After going through vocational school, the jerk went to the army, which, in turn, added intelligence to him and often gave him additional specialty or skills. And after the army, after the legally prescribed 3-month rest from the army, the jerk went not to the position of a manager, but to real production. There he was trained, and he himself, having acquired vocational school and army experience, studied - not for long, efficiently and reliably. Such men then became those Specialists who now leave production due to age and health.
        And training directly at the factory ... This option is only for those who know how to at least distinguish the butt from the sight.
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      5. Burivad
        Burivad 24 February 2016 09: 26
        0
        Salaries alone do not solve anything. The people of course will stretch, but which one? If there are more ZPs, then there will be more relatives or bosses who are familiar with the local work there, you yourself understand what quality to talk about here. Or people will thump more. We need a new approach, not the one accepted in the world, but one that would work for sure like a Kalashnikov assault rifle (cleaned, charged, and further into battle). )))
    4. 222222
      222222 23 February 2016 13: 56
      10
      Nov 28 2012 - To provide shells for anti-aircraft missile systems, the Ministry of Defense will build two large plants - in Kirov and Nizhny Novgorod.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 23 February 2016 14: 14
        +3
        Quote: 222222
        providing shells

        Still, probably not with shells. yes
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 23 February 2016 14: 18
        +6
        Quote from the article- This is a demonstration of what sanctions only awaken the best... article minus bold ..... you don’t have to bring everything under sanctions ... construction in both Novgorod and Kirov has the same sanctions as I did for Obama ... the plants began to build (prepare sites and allocate lard) in 2010 ... what for sanctions ??? ... the golden time for bourgeois money .... did not begin to read further negative IN lower and lower ... soon we will not find differences from the censor .... survived ..
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 23 February 2016 14: 25
          +5
          A new production of the Almaz-Antey concern has opened in Kirov

          Run as soon as possible adversary,
          From the complexes that are produced in Vyatka!
          1. the villain
            the villain 23 February 2016 19: 48
            +1
            Quote: СРЦ П-15

            Run as soon as possible adversary,
            From the complexes that are produced in Vyatka!

            Excuse me, and I'll add a pretty penny:

            Pants are full of democracy, albeit.
            Her peddlers won't fly up for a shot,
            To the cannon, to the borders of that country,
            Which has our S-300 SAM soldier
        2. Russian Moldavian
          Russian Moldavian 23 February 2016 14: 33
          15

          The article is fat PLUS, but the fact that the sanctions for the construction of the plant have nothing to do with it, well, if only the speed of the construction of the plant

          No. Well, with the censor you went too far
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 23 February 2016 14: 40
            -2
            Quote: Russian Moldovan
            Well, if only to the speed of construction of the plant,

            and they don’t have the same thing about speed ... the article has a fat minus for pseudo propaganda ... soon they will write about Nizhny ... everything came to an end ... they just have nothing to do with sanctions !! ... soon everything that started build in 2009-11 will write that thanks to the sanctions ..... IN shame!
            Quote: Russian Moldovan
            Well, with the censor you went too far

            there’s no censor, they’ll ban for just a lot of lies ... and here they’ll ban for just that much lies .... so almost = ... they banned me, and then after 3 days I asked to explain - for what ?, they wrote ... mistake, sorry ....
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 23 February 2016 15: 35
              +9
              Quote: gispanec
              pseudo propaganda ... soon they will write about Nizhny ... everything has come to an end ... only they have nothing to do with sanctions !! ... soon everything that they started to build in 2009-11 will write that thanks to the sanctions .... .BO shame!

              Evona, how they built the plant is bad, they did not build the plant even worse, decide in the end what is good or bad, and so with the holiday, the news for the holiday is very good, and I raise this stack for the builders, for the Almaz Antey team and I wish you all success and happiness. drinks hi
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 23 February 2016 15: 43
                +1
                Quote: vovanpain
                Avon how they built a plant is bad, they did not build a plant even worse

                fool ... no words .... just to fart ?? ... the speech in my comments is not about factories but about sanctions that have stuck in order to tell a lie !!! .. factories are very good ... production is great .... but the lies about sanctions are a fly in the ointment !!!! ...
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 23 February 2016 17: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: gispanec
                  but a lie about sanctions is a fly in the ointment !!!! ...

                  The sanctions are 1.5 years, the plant is undergoing commissioning, that is, the machines just have time to get sanctioned. If you wrote what machines are, it would be understandable.
                  In general, our sanctions do not prevent us from going on an internship to Germany and coming to the Germans for maintenance — pay only euro.
                  Yes, and the machine came exactly after the introduction of these same sanctions
                  1. gispanec
                    gispanec 24 February 2016 08: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Sanctions-1.5 years, the plant is undergoing commissioning, that is, the machines just have time to get sanctioned.

                    the beginning and end of the construction of factories was in clear time and there was no sanction then ... for you in NN all the machines for the pro-va are IMPORTANT ... that's why it has not yet been commissioned .... but there are loopholes and machines delivered ... so our Russians are not there !! .... whether you like it or not !!
              2. saber
                saber 23 February 2016 20: 19
                -1
                Yes, not one !!
            2. tol100v
              tol100v 23 February 2016 15: 39
              +1
              Quote: gispanec
              asked to explain - for what ?,

              I explain. What is the difference to you, before the sanctions, or after? Do you want to indicate a delay in the construction plan, or even the possibility of construction? Then to you on the Censor - they quickly build there, and even faster sell, not only the produced, but also what was not mentioned!
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 24 February 2016 08: 47
                -1
                Quote: Tol100v
                I explain.

                I asked to explain about the ban ... which was given just like that ... by chance and this is the norm !!! ... so don’t turn on the pinocchio !! but you know better about the censor .... you’re registered there, since you know everything in detail ... how and what ...
            3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 February 2016 16: 12
              +9
              Quote: gispanec
              and they don’t have the same thing about speed ... the article has a fat minus for pseudo propaganda ... soon they will write about Nizhny ... everything came to an end ... they have nothing to do with sanctions !! ..

              Dear, how do you know all this? If all your reasons are:
              Quote: gispanec
              factories began to build (to prepare sites and allocate lards) in the 2010 year ... what kind of sanctions ???

              So do you think the plant is a set of LEGO? Like, they decided to build a plant in 2010, they allocated money to the budget, went to the store and bought everything in 2010, and they sat down to collect it before 2016? So what?
              We have problems with the machine tool industry, most likely initially the plant was supposed to supply (at least partially) imported CNC equipment. Under this case, contracts were concluded with Western suppliers. Naturally, deliveries were not supposed to be in 2010, but (if you planned to commission the plant in 2016) 2014 — the beginning of 2015 of the year (in order to have a year and a half for installation of the equipment and putting it into operation. That is, the sanction period was just in time supply of equipment! And so on almost any plant that is commissioned now ..
              The plant is being built gradually - if in 2010 they had just started to "prepare the sites", then while they were stretching communications, while the workshops were being built, 2-3 years passed exactly, and only after that they began to import equipment. Such projects are signed by years, there are network schedules, and no one will run up money to give money for equipment for which the workshop has not yet been built (except for some exceptional cases). Yes, even if the equipment is delivered, I would have looked at you as if you were thinking / putting it into operation without the assistance of the manufacturer! In principle, this is possible, but problems will have to be overcome - immeasurably.
              So it is quite possible that Rogozin is right from the word "ABSOLUTELY".
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 24 February 2016 08: 55
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                So do you think the plant is a set of LEGO?

                Well, if you don’t know ... then the machines should have been bought (German) back in 2011-12 .... but everything was broken up and came 14 years old .... silence and angry cries of Rogozin ...... and where I know that in the year 11, with our company, the scrap metal was exported from there at the pace of Stakhanov .... we cut the workshops ... we prepared the site for the new building, and besides, my friend worked there (Engineering) from 12 to 15 year....
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                while we stretched out communications

                )) you touch me ... in place of the old one put a new one ... what kind of communications ??? everything old is left ..
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                So it is quite possible that Rogozin is right from the word "ABSOLUTELY"

                in 14, Rogozin voted ... at a meeting in NN at this plant ... Where is your plant ?? ... where is the loot ?? ... everyone understood and was silent ... dropping his eyes ..... by the way there the rollback was harsh! I didn’t catch by the hand, but you can’t fool a hard worker? !! ... this word of mouth said !!
      3. ty60
        ty60 23 February 2016 15: 14
        +1
        everything that flies out of the barrel is a priori projectile. A projectile having a marching engine is a rocket projectile. Ponts in the name? Not interesting. Nobody canceled the privacy mode.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 23 February 2016 15: 44
          +3
          Quote: ty60
          . No one has canceled the regime of secrecy.

          Happy holiday to all! I never thought about male seed. But it turns out - he is a shell with a marching engine! Can not argue with that! And the privacy mode is worth considering!
    5. MAXAN
      MAXAN 23 February 2016 13: 57
      +9
      In the Urals and Siberia, all this needs to be placed! ... We are safer all the same! hi
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 23 February 2016 13: 59
        +2
        Quote: MAXAN
        ! ... We are more reliable yet!

        Why is that?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 February 2016 14: 20
          +4
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: MAXAN
          ! ... We are more reliable yet!

          Why is that?

          So this is Meehan, sort of. smile
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 23 February 2016 15: 37
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            So this is Meehan, sort of.

            That? Yes, it’s not like that, this one has a bourgeois letter at the end of the word N laughing
          3. 79807420129
            79807420129 23 February 2016 15: 53
            10
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            So this is Meehan, sort of.

            Shhh, don't divulge military secrets. bully
        2. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 23 February 2016 15: 13
          +2
          That in a hurry not to transport plants and organize them in a clean field hi
          1. Vyatsky
            Vyatsky 24 February 2016 09: 52
            0
            In our swamps all invaders will drown.
            We have such a bike: during the Second World War, the Germans threw troops into the Kotelnich area to undermine the railway bridge. The saboteurs got lost in the woods, when they were able to get out - they gave up with joy. laughing
            Modera! Step-by-step flag again belay
        3. GSVG 86-88
          GSVG 86-88 23 February 2016 15: 49
          +1
          The remoteness of an object geographically always matters, German beavers could not reach the enterprises moved to the East during World War II, and now increasing the flight time of enemy missiles even by 3-5 minutes longer gives air defense a very great chance of destroying them.
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 23 February 2016 15: 55
            0
            Quote: GSVG 86-88
            The remoteness of an object geographically always matters, in World War II

            Now these are not the realities .... soon hypersonic missiles will replace today's winged ones, and for the latter the distance does not matter.
            1. 11 black
              11 black 23 February 2016 16: 35
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              Now these are not the realities .... soon hypersonic missiles will replace today's winged ones, and for the latter the distance does not matter.

              It has a very long time for air defense - this is the reaction time, first of all, and the Urals are well protected from air strikes ...
              In addition, it is more profitable to locate enterprises operating in the same chain economically in the same area. hi
            2. GSVG 86-88
              GSVG 86-88 23 February 2016 17: 10
              +1
              Ask operators of air defense systems - the handicap has extra value for them in extra 3-5 minutes
              1. 11 black
                11 black 23 February 2016 18: 17
                +2
                Quote: GSVG 86-88
                Ask operators of air defense systems - the handicap has extra value for them in extra 3-5 minutes

                That would put you on the target and then ask ... laughing In 3-5 minutes С400 he has time to switch from a marching to a combat position!
                From Moscow to Yekaterinburg, 1500km, even if the rocket flies at 8M speed (the best X-51 option even in theory), it turns out 150 km-minute, and therefore not 3-4 but 8-10 minutes of handicap.
                Plus, part of the missiles will already be destroyed on the way or taken away from the target by electronic warfare systems.
                Plus, the range of the X-51 missile is also not unlimited, which means that the launch site should be closely adjacent to our border at least, which means that if it is a ground base or a ship, then it (it) can be destroyed by a retaliatory or preventive strike.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 23 February 2016 22: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: 11 black
                  In 3-5 minutes С400 he has time to switch from a marching to a combat position!

                  I specially looked at the performance characteristics of "Treumfa". Deployment time from traveling to combat position is 10 minutes, however. That is why "readiness" is established and the AIA watch system is organized. This is so that there are fewer "surprises".
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 23 February 2016 15: 56
        -1
        Quote: MAXAN
        In the Urals and Siberia, all this needs to be placed! ... We are safer all the same! hi

        You have cheaper labor ....
    6. tol100v
      tol100v 23 February 2016 14: 00
      +4
      Quote: izya top
      and this is good

      And it is good that the rocket plant was called RAKETNY, and not some "MMZ" named after. "..... ......" Let him be proud: both the city and the labor collective, and the whole Country! There is no need to hide from your people what the "partners" have known for a long time! But !, and you don't need to be too zealous either!
    7. Giant thought
      Giant thought 23 February 2016 14: 05
      +1
      Very good news, the more air defense systems are manufactured and delivered to our army, the calmer our country will feel and the more restless our "partners" will be.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 23 February 2016 15: 58
        +2
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Very good news, the more air defense systems will be manufactured and delivered to our army, the

        The more restless our sworn "partners" will feel! The more countries that are not afraid of pirate attacks from the undercover, the more peaceful the world will be. They are brave when arrows and spears are against them. But, Alas, there are no more Indians. And the rest have received their sight!
    8. kimyth1
      kimyth1 23 February 2016 14: 07
      +6
      still in 2 rows !!! it would be cooler !!! soldier
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 February 2016 14: 22
        +6
        Since the 2007 year, C-400 have produced 200 launchers. I hope the pace of rearmament will increase. 200 launchers over 9 years of production are a very modest figure.
        1. LÄRZ
          LÄRZ 23 February 2016 14: 35
          +3
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Since the 2007 year, C-400 have produced 200 launchers. I hope the pace of rearmament will increase. 200 launchers over 9 years of production are a very modest figure.

          The entire defense industry should work in 3 shifts. AT THREE O'CLOK!!We will not have any respite, and there was none, by and large. "To live with wolves, howl like a wolf." They ask themselves, since they understand nothing but strength.
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 23 February 2016 15: 19
            +2
            So in three shifts you can strain people - there are no problems with this. And where can I get the money from? And where to get the accessories? Testers and debuggers? Not from snot will these systems do? Yes, and proceed from the timeline, why strain, if in the end by 2020 there should be a fixed number of weapons? Excess then where? They also need to be put somewhere, to carry out their maintenance.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 23 February 2016 15: 50
              +1
              Quote: theadenter
              Excess then where? They also need to be put somewhere, to carry out their maintenance.

              There are 1900 S-300 launchers in Russia, so replace it with the S-400, and the S-300 in reserve.
              Thousands of air defense systems are needed to repel a massive attack ...
              1. theadenter
                theadenter 23 February 2016 17: 02
                +1
                So I know what we need. Yes, there’s only a certain order for a certain number of installations. Extra then who?
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 23 February 2016 22: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: theadenter
                  Extra to whom then?

                  For this "extra" there is already a long line of those waiting. And if there is a continuous process of modernizing missiles, then it will not lose its relevance for another 20 years. This is "ni-tech", however! And even the amas do not keep up with us in this area.
          2. olegactor
            olegactor 23 February 2016 16: 00
            +1
            I agree ... the country should first of all have such fists so that not one foreign scum would dare to turn up
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 23 February 2016 17: 42
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          200 launchers over 9 years of production is a very modest figure.

          It’s one thing to rivet the launcher, and another to make a complete set
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 23 February 2016 19: 07
            0
            Quote: Pilat2009
            It’s one thing to rivet the launcher, and another to make a complete set

            So the radar kit and combat control vehicles go to 1 division, that is, to 8 launchers. 200/8 = 25 radar sets and combat control vehicles.
        3. ksv1973
          ksv1973 23 February 2016 20: 29
          +2
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Since the 2007 year, C-400 have produced 200 launchers. I hope the pace of rearmament will increase. 200 launchers over 9 years of production are a very modest figure.

          So after all, more or less worthy financial injections into the "defense industry" began only in 2010-2011. I see this on orders from the enterprise where I myself work. 95 percent of consumers of our products are military-industrial complex. Since 2012, we are simply choking on orders, and this is increasing! The second half of 2015 is just some kind of HELL !!! And the end of this wave is not in sight. The management is already going to recruit young people from those who have just graduated and organize additional training courses for them.
          So little by little, albeit smoothly and not quickly, we are recovering. Now we are reaping the fruits of "fat" energy prices, and Russia is really investing these revenues in the "real" sectors of the economy. And it pleases!
        4. ksv1973
          ksv1973 23 February 2016 20: 29
          0
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Since the 2007 year, C-400 have produced 200 launchers. I hope the pace of rearmament will increase. 200 launchers over 9 years of production are a very modest figure.

          So after all, more or less worthy financial injections into the "defense industry" began only in 2010-2011. I see this on orders from the enterprise where I myself work. 95 percent of consumers of our products are military-industrial complex. Since 2012, we are simply choking on orders, and this is increasing! The second half of 2015 is just some kind of HELL !!! And the end of this wave is not in sight. The management is already going to recruit young people from those who have just graduated and organize additional training courses for them.
          So little by little, albeit smoothly and not quickly, we are recovering. Now we are reaping the fruits of "fat" energy prices, and Russia is really investing these revenues in the "real" sectors of the economy. And it pleases!
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    10. siberalt
      siberalt 23 February 2016 14: 55
      +1
      Why only in Kirov? There are half of Siberia such sites for "Almaz".
      1. theadenter
        theadenter 23 February 2016 15: 22
        +3
        I'm glad. Our region is not very rich, and trained people leave for other areas. Excessive production will not hurt us.
    11. marlin1203
      marlin1203 23 February 2016 16: 09
      +2
      Life will force and the managers will twist the nuts ... they will relearn only.
    12. zloybond
      zloybond 23 February 2016 17: 27
      -1
      why work so for foreign intelligence .... the author of the article probably even pays for it. It remains only to lay out the drawings and nomenclature ....
      1. Makk
        Makk 23 February 2016 20: 22
        +3
        Do you think whose equipment is there? Photo from Nizhny Novgorod, if I'm not a spy, found in the public domain.
    13. lis-ik
      lis-ik 23 February 2016 17: 46
      +2
      Now it is not clear what the real technical schools are called, since there are vocational colleges? My former MADT, it was not clear what, and before the competition was 6 people in place, I went to preparatory courses for a year, and all for the sake of entering out of the competition!
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    15. cap
      cap 23 February 2016 17: 59
      +2
      Quote: iza top
      and it’s good. Now the vocational schools and technical schools need to, otherwise there will be no one to work, but the maneuvers will not turn the nuts


      You can also try.
      "As part of the presentation of the strategy, the head of Sberbank, German Gref, said that the bank's plans are to increase the number of employees to 220 thousand, while the number of employees at that time was about 250 thousand. Thus, the bank planned to cut at least 30 thousand people."
      True, these gentlemen will get cutlets rather than missiles.
      There really can be problems with personnel in the defense industry.
      Now managers are in fashion, though, what it is and what they eat it with, few people know. I have not seen a real turner, a fitter of a collector under the age of 45 for a long time. Mechanics and engine operators have met yet, but this is a requirement of the time.
      The news inspires optimism. I rejoice with all the appearance of the enterprise necessary for our defense.
      Good news by February 23rd. Happy holiday. good
    16. Koshak
      Koshak 23 February 2016 18: 19
      +3
      Quote: izya top
      not manegers same nuts will twist

      God forbid! then definitely no enemies ...
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    18. ksv1973
      ksv1973 23 February 2016 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      and it’s good. Now the vocational schools and technical schools need to, otherwise there will be no one to work, but the maneuvers will not turn the nuts

      Give the "hard workers" a minimum of 50-55 thousand salaries (and fair indexation) plus daily anti-alcohol control at the entrance and exit - and for the next 10 years this plant will not experience a shortage of personnel. And during this time, the younger generation will have time to learn. And it would be nice to remember the Soviet practice, when any more or less large enterprise had its own vocational school or its own technical school.
      1. Edge
        Edge 24 February 2016 20: 53
        0
        The salary is there. But with the ptd bummer - everyone closed. Diamond recruited personnel until 1990, the rest are not quoted.
    19. ksv1973
      ksv1973 23 February 2016 20: 12
      0
      Quote: iza top
      and it’s good. Now the vocational schools and technical schools need to, otherwise there will be no one to work, but the maneuvers will not turn the nuts

      Give the "hard workers" a minimum of 50-55 thousand salaries (and fair indexation) plus daily anti-alcohol control at the entrance and exit - and for the next 10 years this plant will not experience a shortage of personnel. And during this time, the younger generation will have time to learn. And it would be nice to remember the Soviet practice, when any more or less large enterprise had its own vocational school or its own technical school.
    20. afrikanez
      afrikanez 23 February 2016 20: 19
      +2
      not manegers same nuts will twist
      And this profession in general must be deleted from education! angry
    21. Pasha
      Pasha 23 February 2016 20: 59
      +1
      finally something was built and commissioned in Vyatka.
      and then recently (years 30) one devastation.
      so soon I can be proud of starting a small homeland.
      + 100 for the development of the Volga-Vyatka districts.
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      2. ksv1973
        ksv1973 23 February 2016 22: 05
        0
        Quote: Pasha
        finally something was built and commissioned in Vyatka.
        and then recently (years 30) one devastation.
        so soon I can be proud of starting a small homeland.
        + 100 for the development of the Volga-Vyatka districts.

        About 3-4 years ago, on the basis of the former plant for the production of bacteriological weapons (the village of Vostochny Omutninsky district of the Kirov region), at the very least, the production of medicines and medical supplies began to revive. One could begin to be proud even then. It remains only for the Vyatichi to ORGANIZED, WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE LAWS of the Russian Federation, initiate the restoration of highways. In 2013, the roads in Kirov were like after the bombing, and the route from Kirov to Omutninsk was like after the "carpet" bombing. Speed ​​over 40 km / h was fatal for the suspension of the car, and over 60 - for the health of those traveling in this car.
    22. Ronino
      Ronino 23 February 2016 21: 58
      +1
      Vocational schools and technical schools + decent salary corresponding qualifications.
    23. Ronino
      Ronino 23 February 2016 21: 58
      0
      Vocational schools and technical schools + decent salary corresponding qualifications.
    24. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 24 February 2016 08: 16
      0
      For starters, it is necessary to replace the Minister of Education, and appoint as a minister a person who is smart and sick for Russia and not for Western values. What is Russia
      impoverished in the smart and talented; no, this Medvedev government has become impoverished in mind.
    25. apostoll
      apostoll 24 February 2016 09: 53
      0
      But it would be nice to put the managers on the conveyor, give the rasp in hand, maybe the brains would hatch)))))
    26. xBoris
      xBoris 24 February 2016 16: 23
      +1
      And here's what is interesting .. They are launching a new plant - I suppose, not built at the expense of private investors? Management, at least, will be public.
      And private traders - except the farm and the potato field - what did they build ..?
      And the fact that privatized - where is it ..?
      As long as there is a resource inherent in the organization, the enterprise is working. They squeeze what is possible from him and his employees, and then they ask for money from the State, or even easier - they dump ...
      Our bourgeoisie has not grown yet before the creation of anything. They can only wipe.
      1. mult-65
        mult-65 24 February 2016 20: 27
        0
        And they’re not expensive, they only have to rub.
  2. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 23 February 2016 13: 52
    +4
    Salaries should be good. And the people will reach here for work. The concern’s products are in high demand over the hill, and we really need all this. And more, more!
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 23 February 2016 14: 43
      +2
      Quote: armored optimist
      Salaries should be good.

      average salary for diamond-antey NN ... for hard workers -15000-55000..maximum for turners with a good discharge ... in supply from 25 to 45 thousand rubles ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 February 2016 15: 02
        +4
        Quote: gispanec
        average salary per diamond-antey NN ...at the hard worker-15000-55000..maximum for turners with a good discharge ... in supply from 25 to 45 thousand rubles ...

        The minimum salary is not very, 15 thousand for a family man with children is nothing. At least 25000 rubles would have been done.
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 23 February 2016 15: 14
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          The minimum salary is not very

          it’s a mischief, watchmen ...
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  3. askort154
    askort154 23 February 2016 13: 54
    +6
    However, good luck to the S-500!
  4. Moonsund
    Moonsund 23 February 2016 13: 55
    +3
    Quote: iza top
    and it’s good. Now the vocational schools and technical schools need to, otherwise there will be no one to work, but the maneuvers will not turn the nuts


    The training of specialists in vocational schools and technical schools will take some time, but "for now" let them retrain and twist! It's good to trade cowards
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 23 February 2016 14: 50
      0
      Quote: Moonsund
      and "for now" let

      Let
  5. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 23 February 2016 13: 58
    +2
    1800 places for Kirov are not bad, there are specialists in the city (I’ve been, I know, I’ve always worked hard and hard there.
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  7. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 23 February 2016 14: 00
    +1
    Quote: izya top
    .Now PTU and technical schools are needed,


    It’s clear that it’s necessary, but where to get it, all vocational training was ruined in the nineties, all the schools and schools are closed. Yes, and modern young people have completely different interests in the machine tool and the tractor’s wheel and gingerbread, you will not be lured by hope for migrants from Hohland.
  8. Wiruz
    Wiruz 23 February 2016 14: 07
    -1
    Listen, does Rogozin do anything at all except to travel to various events / celebrations, where he promises to build everything, everything on time and everything that has no analogues in the world? what
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 23 February 2016 14: 51
      -1
      Quote: Wiruz
      and Rogozin does at least something

      of course .... so I think babos cuts and takes .... (shh ... until they hear cheers-patriots ... carries kickbacks to Moscow)
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 23 February 2016 14: 57
        +2
        of course .... so I think babos cuts and takes .... (shh ... until they hear cheers-patriots ... carries kickbacks to Moscow)

        Michal Ivanitch? bully
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 23 February 2016 15: 15
          -1
          Quote: Wiruz
          Michal Ivanitchu

          wassat fool shh .... if you know tog keep quiet !!!
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 February 2016 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      Listen, does Rogozin do anything at all except to travel to various events / celebrations, where he promises to build everything, everything on time and everything that has no analogues in the world? what

      regularly answers opponents, and just the whole world, on Twitter fellow
    3. ksv1973
      ksv1973 23 February 2016 22: 59
      +3
      Quote: Wiruz
      Listen, does Rogozin do anything at all except to travel to various events / celebrations, where he promises to build everything, everything on time and everything that has no analogues in the world? what

      And Rogozin is a "wedding general". It is enough just to read his biography. And people like him, we have a dime a dozen in Russia: Zhirinovsky, Mironov, Zyuganov and other smaller personalities. But there is one "but" - this body sings very smoothly and sweetly. Once he was part of the "systemic opposition", but then overnight "reforged." Now he is one of those about whom it is customary to speak of a "political hawk". But he and all of the above-named only speak, speak and speak. And their whole talking shop is ordinary show business. They only open their mouths within the bounds of what is permitted. Moreover, their talking shop is REALLY needed so that the RUSSIAN people see the need to restore STRONG power. They are needed precisely for this.
      But another question arises: is Putin ready to become as strong as Stalin? Is Putin ready to shoot in the back of the head of those who are now openly offering our strategic opponents all sorts of concessions if they come to power? I think that the time for this was lost. No wonder the popular wisdom says - "strike while the iron is hot." It was hot at the time of the reunification of Crimea with Russia. It was hot after the burning of Odessa. It was hot, not yet cold, at the time of voting at the referendum in Mariupol, Donetsk and Lugansk.
      I think that if Russia had not stopped half a step away from fulfilling the aspirations of the people of Novorossia, then there would not have been a Syrian conflict in the form in which Russia was forced to use its videoconferencing system in Syria. Russian tourists would not have perished over the Sinai, there would have been no unfortunate situation with the downed Su-24, there would have been no confrontation with Turkey, all relations with which collapsed at one point.
      The folk wisdom says correctly: "Having said" A "- say" B ".
      We, Russia, did not say "B" in 2014. Now "be-e-e, be-e-e" say people like Rogozin.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 February 2016 07: 47
        0
        Well, about Zhirinovsky, I do not agree with you. Volfich has an important mission, even two.
        First: he plays the role of a "bad cop" against which the GDP is straight white and fluffy. A kind of hint to the West, they say, look who will come to power if not Putin.
        Secondly: he also works as a court predictor jester. Why a jester? Yes, because it periodically carries all kinds of nonsense that everyone laughs at and nobody takes seriously. Why a fortuneteller? Yes, because time passes and this nonsense becomes a reality ...
        hi
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 24 February 2016 09: 20
          +1
          quote from the article - This is a demonstration that sanctions only awaken the best that is in our national character, the pursuit of goals, despite any obstacles, ”Rogozin said at the ceremony.
          here the dog rummaged ... Rogoshka lies ... lies .... the plants (Kirov and NN) were laid long before the sanctions .. and their introduction was not reflected as a TEST DEMO (quote)
      2. cedar
        cedar 24 February 2016 15: 30
        +1
        Quote: ksv1973
        I think that if would then Russia did not stop half a step from fulfilling the aspirations of the people of New Russia, then there wasn’t would Now the Syrian conflict is in the form when Russia is forced to use its videoconferencing system in Syria. Russian tourists did not die would over Sinai was not would there was no unfortunate situation with the downed Su-24 would confrontations with Turkey, all relations with which DECLINED at one moment.
        The folk wisdom says correctly: "Having said" A "- say" B ".
        We, Russia, did not say "B" in 2014. Now "be-e-e, be-e-e" say people like Rogozin.


        “If, if only, mushrooms had grown in your mouth, then it would not be a mouth, but a garden ...”
        What do you hear for the first time that the USSR did not break up, how pro-Western pidocrats persistently talked about it to us for 25 years through their media, but suffered a crushing defeat in the Cold War?
        Where, when the invaders cared for the vanquished? On the contrary, there was always exhaustion and exploitation!
        Tidbits went to Western offshore as a result of "privatization", but in fact it was a real reparation! Every year, the "leak" of capital amounted to and is from 120 to 150 billion dollars, but in fact it is the most indemnity!
        There are no military commandant's offices and Gauleiters, but there are foreign “consulting” companies across the country that control the entire legislative and financial base of the occupied country. These companies have real economic murderers about whom John Perkins wrote, they are sitting in ministries, departments, concerns, including those producing the latest and most top-secret (?) Weapons, the same Armata and T-50! These advisers across the country are gaining 10! Division!
        As a result. Millions of kV. km of territory seized, dozens of thousands of factories and factories destroyed, more than 20 villages ceased to exist and ceased to feed the country and its army, the loss of population due to alcohol abuse, drug addiction, crime, suicide and abortion is comparable to the losses of the USSR in the Second World War!
        And how, in the midst of all this misfortune, to start organizing itself to resist the invaders, and most importantly, WHOM to take on such a burden in the country, put on its knees with the population brains that are skillfully washed by the enemy media, where it can no longer distinguish democracy from pidocracy, collapse from occupation? Thank God that such people were found that they did not stick out ahead of time, although they were constantly provoked and provoked, and gradually prepared for the transition to the offensive!
        The time has come and they said their “A” in the Crimea, “B” is said in Syria, but this is far from the last letter and battle in the Russian alphabet ..!
    4. ksv1973
      ksv1973 23 February 2016 22: 59
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      Listen, does Rogozin do anything at all except to travel to various events / celebrations, where he promises to build everything, everything on time and everything that has no analogues in the world? what

      And Rogozin is a "wedding general". It is enough just to read his biography. And people like him, we have a dime a dozen in Russia: Zhirinovsky, Mironov, Zyuganov and other smaller personalities. But there is one "but" - this body sings very smoothly and sweetly. Once he was part of the "systemic opposition", but then overnight "reforged." Now he is one of those about whom it is customary to speak of a "political hawk". But he and all of the above-named only speak, speak and speak. And their whole talking shop is ordinary show business. They only open their mouths within the bounds of what is permitted. Moreover, their talking shop is REALLY needed so that the RUSSIAN people see the need to restore STRONG power. They are needed precisely for this.
      But another question arises: is Putin ready to become as strong as Stalin? Is Putin ready to shoot in the back of the head of those who are now openly offering our strategic opponents all sorts of concessions if they come to power? I think that the time for this was lost. No wonder the popular wisdom says - "strike while the iron is hot." It was hot at the time of the reunification of Crimea with Russia. It was hot after the burning of Odessa. It was hot, not yet cold, at the time of voting at the referendum in Mariupol, Donetsk and Lugansk.
      I think that if Russia had not stopped half a step away from fulfilling the aspirations of the people of Novorossia, then there would not have been a Syrian conflict in the form in which Russia was forced to use its videoconferencing system in Syria. Russian tourists would not have perished over the Sinai, there would have been no unfortunate situation with the downed Su-24, there would have been no confrontation with Turkey, all relations with which collapsed at one point.
      The folk wisdom says correctly: "Having said" A "- say" B ".
      We, Russia, did not say "B" in 2014. Now "be-e-e, be-e-e" say people like Rogozin.
  9. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 23 February 2016 14: 08
    +5
    This is the case! An absolutely great answer to all of our "partners".
    “The total investment amounted to more than 20 billion rubles, including more than 13 billion rubles from the group’s own funds.”
    Obviously, this is not a shopping mall, the money will not be recouped so quickly, but this is "DEFENSE"!
    The fact that the plant, which works on the subject of military-space defense, has begun work, is one of the best responses of our country and our people to sanctions.
    And there’s nothing to add.
  10. archi-man
    archi-man 23 February 2016 14: 17
    +2
    Quote: MAXAN
    In the Urals and Siberia, all this needs to be placed! ... We are safer all the same! hi

    What a fright in the Urals? In Kirov, in one of the bending regions, once built a new production. ZP at the factory made from 60t, but to get there you can work only by competition
  11. minus
    minus 23 February 2016 14: 19
    +2
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: MAXAN
    ! ... We are more reliable yet!

    Why is that?

    He probably meant that further from the borders of potential opponents. And I agree with him)))
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 February 2016 14: 33
      0
      Quote: Minus
      He probably meant that further from the borders of potential opponents. And I agree with him)))

      Air defense in Central Russia will be more serious than in the Urals.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 23 February 2016 15: 40
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Minus
        He probably meant that further from the borders of potential opponents. And I agree with him)))

        Air defense in Central Russia will be more serious than in the Urals.

        Whoever put a minus thinks that several "rings" of air defense around the Moscow region are comparable air defense in the Urals?
      3. minus
        minus 23 February 2016 15: 40
        +2
        I won’t say anything about the Urals, and in Siberia there are enough areas with a dense air defense cover. The most important thing in this situation is flying time. And the more it is, the greater the chance to repel the blow, to use great forces and means in reflection. The distance to the enemy is not unimportant !
        P.S. minus is not mine, like the sga flag in the profile :))
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  12. Dam
    Dam 23 February 2016 14: 22
    +7
    Each new s-400 is a section of our peaceful sky protected from any enemy. Each new S-300 delivered to friends is a nail in the coffin of mattress domination in the world.
  13. barclay
    barclay 23 February 2016 14: 58
    +2
    Novikov noted that the project of the plant "laid the possibility of changing the product range - the new plant will be able to quickly master new products and begin their mass production without additional technical re-equipment."
    “The level of informatization of the new enterprise has no analogues in Russia.

    This is actually commendable. The flexibility of manufacturing based on digital technology is a valuable quality in a modern environment.
  14. dolamber333
    dolamber333 23 February 2016 15: 00
    +2
    glad .opened a new factory.
  15. Awaz
    Awaz 23 February 2016 15: 03
    +1
    Air defense missiles were made in Vyatka for a long time. I do not know for what systems, but they did. Here, most likely, the modernization is just an enterprise for new ammunition. But for a "typewriter" this is certainly a step forward, otherwise they seem to have waned.
    I would say even this is the modernization of one of the shops
  16. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 February 2016 15: 05
    +1
    In the USSR, people prepared their slogans for each holiday.
    In the commentary to this article, the following slogan would be appropriate:
    "Workers of the military-industrial complex, give more good and different missiles to the Motherland!"
  17. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 23 February 2016 15: 06
    0
    Oh, and our special services will increase their work! And by the way - maybe it wasn’t necessary to upload any photos and numbers in the article?
  18. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 23 February 2016 15: 09
    +6
    Such news is always encouraging. To spite liberals we revive the power of Russia. Happy holiday to all, Happy Defender of the Fatherland Day!
  19. Valter1364
    Valter1364 23 February 2016 15: 24
    +1
    This I understand, a gift, so a gift for the Defender of the Fatherland Day! smile
  20. Crown
    Crown 23 February 2016 15: 25
    +1
    The line for our S-300 is understandable, everyone saw how the United States began a military invasion, made conclusions!
  21. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 23 February 2016 15: 31
    +2
    That's what I like about our military-industrial complex - it's a deliberate belittling of our capabilities (let us remember the "calibers" at least, like they fly for 2500, in miles by 2500 ... nautical miles ...), but the Americans have just the opposite, they are pontiars. Ay, I'm worried about F35. That pepelats will not fly seriously with them, there will be endless improvements to this miscarriage. And we have the SU-35S already in the subject, and the 50th is on the way, and? Who will be in the next 30 years that "I am the king" in the air?
  22. tuts
    tuts 23 February 2016 15: 39
    +1
    The opening of new factories and production is the best news !!!!
  23. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 23 February 2016 15: 39
    +5
    Mene personally is pleased for his hometown as well as for his country. Happy holiday to all!
  24. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 23 February 2016 15: 39
    +3
    I can’t believe my eyes, didn’t our plant be closed? A DISCOVERED ?! WHAT HAPPENED THAT.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 February 2016 15: 42
      +3
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      I can’t believe my eyes, didn’t our plant be closed? A DISCOVERED ?! WHAT HAPPENED THAT.

      Well, at least it will be that Zyuganov answer laughing otherwise he doesn’t see the opening of new plants, nuclear power plants, bridges, etc.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 24 February 2016 04: 30
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        Well, at least it will be that Zyuganov’s answer, otherwise he doesn’t see the opening of new plants, nuclear power plants, bridges, etc.


        Papa Sue doesn’t have anything else to say - the whole crowd of party parasites needs to be elected to the Duma, therefore the government must be criticized. And the fact that the mighty Soviet Union was delayed ... commies, such as somehow somehow forgotten already ... Yes, only the people remember. Therefore, Zu is not the President, and he will never be.
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  25. Altona
    Altona 23 February 2016 15: 55
    +2
    This is really an enterprise for 1800 people. And not a factory for plastic caps for Coca-Cola ... Still, 7000 people-workers and members of their families will be provided ...
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 February 2016 16: 08
    +1
    Great news. Because we still need to replace all C-300 as soon as possible.
    Still for ships to make air defense systems.
    So here it is precisely the large numbers that decide, the number of specialists, the number of machines.
    And the good news is that now all production is at the level of CNC machining centers.
    Launched the program and just watch. Dependence on the human factor is minimized.
  27. hobot
    hobot 23 February 2016 16: 22
    0
    Despite the fact that the hell imposed on all sides in Russia, the mother production rises.
    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=69
  28. starschina
    starschina 23 February 2016 16: 24
    +3
    and in Nizhny will soon open a new plant "70 YEARS OF VICTORY" The military-industrial complex is moving forward !!! Happy Holidays everyone !!!
  29. ASG7
    ASG7 23 February 2016 16: 34
    +4
    God made all countries different. and the S-300 complex is equal.
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  31. faterdom
    faterdom 23 February 2016 17: 11
    +4
    Thank God that such news at least appeared - after all, they had not existed for more than 20 years, they only privatized, reprofiled, resold, lost in a casino ...
    We are waiting for the Rosvertolovsky serious site in Bataisk - it would not have died out ....
    But in the 42nd every day new plants were introduced in the evacuation - and only they allowed to grind the then chief people ...
    And now - it wouldn’t be too late, we must resolutely, persistently, more seriously, and the first departments at all such enterprises with extraordinary powers in relation to top management.
  32. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 February 2016 17: 21
    +1
    A very good deal, with two hands behind. But there is one misunderstanding, in our city there is a powerful potential base for the development of any type of production, both civil and defense. There is energy, there are people, there is water, there are factories, or rather their workshops and railway access roads, only managers and city and regional scales are completely absent.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 23 February 2016 17: 47
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      , just completely missing the brains of managers and city and regional scale.



      Brains are missing not only at this level ...
  33. weksha50
    weksha50 23 February 2016 17: 46
    +3
    "The level of informatization of the new enterprise has no analogues in Russia. Digital preparation of production includes automation of design and creation of programs for CNC machines" ...

    The information, including the remark on import substitution, is somewhat confusing ...
    If Western ERP-ERR technologies are implied in general management, then what kind of import substitution are we talking about?

    I would like to hear not just about the opening of a new plant, but about its equipping with CNC machines of exactly Russian production, and it is with Russian software ...

    And then it will be possible to be proud of this plant ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 February 2016 12: 07
      +2
      But how can ERP conflict with the idea of ​​import substitution?
      And what is ERP-ERR?
    2. sibiryouk
      sibiryouk 26 February 2016 07: 29
      0
      IT IS UNLIKELY!!!
  34. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 February 2016 18: 54
    +1
    Expanding production is always wonderful! And even more so of this kind, this event! The future is for Russia!
  35. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 23 February 2016 19: 18
    +3
    And I read the title of the article - "A new production of the concern" Almaz-Antey "has opened in Kiev" What do I think for nonsense ... I kind of drank a little ... then I looked closely and felt relieved. I'll go have another drink to get even more relief laughing Happy Holidays!
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 23 February 2016 19: 28
      +1
      Ivan Arnoldovich! What are you drinking? If this is buggy, then something is probably unpatriotic ...
      I advise - a normal "Putinka", which in our St. Petersburg you can buy anywhere. And which has not yet been faked.
      Happy holiday to you!
      Best regards
      Alexei, captain of the reserve of the Soviet Army
  36. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 23 February 2016 19: 33
    +2
    A similar Ukrainian plant for the production of missiles in the city of Dneprodzerzhinsk should self-destruct due to lack of orders.
  37. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 23 February 2016 19: 59
    0
    Awesome news!
  38. wandlitz
    wandlitz 23 February 2016 20: 07
    +1
    Good news! The most that is festive. That would be about ten to twelve a year, similar news appeared.
  39. VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 23 February 2016 21: 09
    +1
    Quote: Inok10
    - A vocational school who knows how to make a "piece of iron", but not having knowledge of materials, does not know what to make it
    - The institute who knows what, but having no practice does not know how

    Somehow you did the wrong calibration — any PTUshnik knows that you can’t leave the CT drawing, and the IC-head (engineering center) needs to climb another project for a year to enter what they want from them.
    It has been pleasing recently that young people (ICs) themselves are asked to see what they were shown, showed on fingers how it works. It really counts the opinion of people who have worked in production for more than 20 years, it’s not difficult for me, it’s science. According to mine Ratsuham who act, they can safely defend candidates. Young people need to grow.
    As for my subordinates, I will give them everything I know. Soon after retirement, 1,5 years remain.
    )))) But I think that after retiring at 45, I will work 10 more years)))
  40. shura7782
    shura7782 23 February 2016 22: 02
    0
    Quote: ksv1973
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Since the 2007 year, C-400 have produced 200 launchers. I hope the pace of rearmament will increase. 200 launchers over 9 years of production are a very modest figure.

    ....... The second half of 2015 is just some kind of HELL !!! And the end of this wave is not visible .....
    ....... And it pleases!

    Similarly, a colleague!
  41. Old26
    Old26 23 February 2016 23: 23
    0
    Quote: afrikanez
    And this profession in general must be deleted from education!


    Why did you hesitate to this profession ?? Well, over the past quarter of a century, we have a lot of new words, incl. and a manager. In fact, this is a manager. A different link, but nonetheless. Well, he was called, for example, he used to be a senior salesperson, or a sales assistant, or a section head. Now it may be some kind of manager. What changed? Or don't like the title. So after all, on the forum there is no "position", such, for example, as moderator or restraint. There is a moderator. Do not resent this name? Do not propose to ban and delete from education?
  42. Evil 55
    Evil 55 24 February 2016 02: 52
    0
    That way, in 10 years, Mother Russia will introduce "Clear Sky" over Gayrope ... And there will be peace in the whole world ...
  43. 1398727
    1398727 24 February 2016 09: 28
    0
    Was there a Mayak plant in Kirov instead of him or something completely different?
    1. Ilya77
      Ilya77 24 February 2016 10: 44
      0
      Quote: 1398727
      Was there a Mayak plant in Kirov instead of him or something completely different?

      The lighthouse is completely different, it stands still and works.
    2. Vyatsky
      Vyatsky 24 February 2016 10: 55
      0
      New production near Avitek, at the entrance.
  44. begemot20091
    begemot20091 24 February 2016 10: 34
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    practice ... not worth anything ... but, equally

    iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
    I believe all students and UNDERSTANDERS.
    If a person comprehends theory and practice, then he is doubly literate. And, if God caressed, then a GENIUS or GOLD HANDS.
    But gentlemen, NOTHING is written together ....
    This is in our time, and vocational schools knew belay
  45. Ilya77
    Ilya77 24 February 2016 10: 43
    0
    There, of course, the plant is not in an open field, workshops and buildings were attached to VMPO "Avitek", and part of the personnel moved from there, and so from many factories of Kirov people went there, salary compared to other factories higher.
    It’s a shame that there is literally a couple of meters from the new plant there is a blood preparation plant, they haven’t started it for about 5 years, they drank loot on it and dumped it on the Germans, who honestly erected the building and equipment, and right now our people are muddled and a huge building with unpacked equipment disappears.
    1. xBoris
      xBoris 24 February 2016 16: 32
      0
      .. and this is probably due to the fact that there is a Company that should operate this building with equipment, but there is not a single person specifically responsible for the business.
      Here it is (business) and stands still.
      After all, how - until the governor is invigorated ... nothing moves.
      Personal control is required, which in principle is correct.
      So - no one needs this plant.
  46. kos2910
    kos2910 24 February 2016 13: 58
    0
    A nice holiday gift! good
  47. xBoris
    xBoris 24 February 2016 16: 29
    0
    .. and here's the question that bothers me ..
    Why do we have tanks, guns, planes .. - the best in the world .. And consumer goods - .. do you know which one?
    Can organize military acceptance at each enterprise ..? lol
  48. Alerii
    Alerii 25 February 2016 19: 06
    0
    And where did the "old" production go - the plant named after the XX Party Congress
  49. Alfer
    Alfer 26 February 2016 00: 55
    0
    It was smooth on paper, as they say. Due to the fact that I know very well the subject matter, I can say one thing. Before the launch of that plant, as before China with cancer. And while the whole load on MMZ "Avangard" is Moscow.