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US senator urged not to rush to abandon the Russian RD-180

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Should not rush to abandon the Russian rocket engines, without which the US military can be in a difficult situation, leads RIA News opinion of US Senator Richard Shelby, which he outlined in his article for the Wall Street Journal.




“After the aggravation of relations between Moscow and Washington because of the situation in Ukraine, everyone in the Senate agrees on the need to reduce the country's dependence on Russia, however, if you do it hastily, you can put the military in a dangerous position,” said Shelby.

According to him, "at the moment, there is an active discussion of whether it is worth refusing Russian-made engines while the Americans themselves have not received a high-quality counterpart."

The senator pointed out that "these engines launch reconnaissance satellites, which are subsequently used to support the American troops."

Earlier, his colleague McCain introduced a bill to restore the ban on purchases RD-180.

“If Senator McCain is so concerned that the US can somehow enrich Russia, then why not give up the 151 contract for a million dollars to supply Russian weapons and ammunition, from contracts for 20 million dollars for petroleum products or for 326 millions for crustaceans, ”Shelby writes.

According to him, “McCain’s interest in this issue is also related to his desire to eliminate competition for his friend Elon Mask, the founder of SpaceX, which has already allowed numerous delays and catastrophic failures many times.”

“If McCain’s proposal passes, SpaceX will actually get a monopoly on launches in the interests of US national security and defense, despite the fact that the company has never participated in any launch,” the senator said.

On the other hand, Sheobi notes, “it is necessary to eliminate SpaceX’s main potential competitor, the United Launch Alliance, which has already made 105 successful launches.”
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 22 February 2016 13: 03
    45
    "at 326 million on crustaceans"

    Is this how much we sell them crabs? belay

    "McCain’s interest in this matter is also related to his desire to eliminate competition for his friend Elon Musk, the founder of SpaceX, which has already made numerous delays and catastrophic failures many times."

    This is called the beautiful word "lobby", it is not corruption at all.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 February 2016 13: 27
      19
      “At the moment, there is an active discussion of whether it is worth abandoning Russian-made engines until the Americans themselves have received a qualitative analogue”

      “McCain’s interest in this matter is also related to his desire to eliminate competition for his friend Elon Musk, the founder of SpaceX,

      Money and business, nothing personal.
      1. Malachite
        Malachite 22 February 2016 13: 33
        +3
        Russia is marsh, say? Can’t you fly into space without Russia? ha ha ha ...
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 22 February 2016 13: 50
          28
          Quote: Malachite
          Russia is marsh, say? Can’t you fly into space without Russia? ha ha ha ...

          But they say that the USA has visited the moon? And such a debate around the engine. Hollywood, however. hiBut they cannot deliver their astronauts to the ISS without us. fellow
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 22 February 2016 15: 29
            10
            Quote: vlad66
            And they say that the USA visited the moonО?
            BullshitО pushing
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 22 February 2016 18: 10
              +2
              [quote = Baikonur] [quote = Vlad66] And they say that the USA visited the moonО? [/ quote] BullshitО pushing
              Baikonur, 2 outfits out of turn!
              There is video, there is the sound of a moving train, there are no character votes.
              There is no eternal daytime for you, like "Grasshopper" ... "until the age of majority."
              You current of this, do not be offended. We all chopped from the pot ...
          2. cniza
            cniza 22 February 2016 15: 29
            13
            Quote: Vladimirets
            "at 326 million on crustaceans"



            This is called the beautiful word "lobby", it is not corruption at all.



            When it’s profitable for them, they don’t notice, and lobbying is legal for them, but in this case Mackain eliminates his competitors and is unlikely to declare how much he received for it.
          3. Blondy
            Blondy 22 February 2016 16: 00
            12
            Quote: vlad66
            But they cannot deliver their astronauts to the ISS without us.

            If we do the rest better than anyone else, then there is no sense in declaring sanctions - they will buy anyway.
          4. Vadim237
            Vadim237 22 February 2016 16: 20
            -6
            Of course we visited, they also have powerful engines - only there are no engines for some medium and light missiles.
          5. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 22 February 2016 16: 43
            +4
            You, dear, do not understand what is business. On the moon, your engine is economically viable. A satellite for the military ... negative And let the Russians for a penny. good
            But seriously - the moment of truth smile
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 22 February 2016 19: 21
              0
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              But seriously - the moment of truth

              I just can't understand this. What does "business and nothing personal" mean? The entire patriotic community, at one time, was indignant about the American "Standard Oil" or about the American Ford, on which the Germans conquered Europe, about the sale of aircraft engines, on which the Germans then ironed the same Amers ... another situation? Well, okay there two years ago, but now no one has any doubts that the United States and I are in a state of proxy war. Even Dima Medvedev is already waving his slipper. And what supplies can there be? Roskosmos is a state corporation, not Uncle Vanya's personal business. And why are we supplying them with engines? So that later, with the help of these satellites, they can beat us? Is this a kind of political masochism?
              1. Suhow
                Suhow 22 February 2016 20: 40
                +2
                the delivery of the rd-180 is an opportunity to save your money on other people's (amerovskie) money, at least for work to improve them (rd), space is however very expensive ...
          6. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 22 February 2016 18: 51
            +3
            Quote: vlad66
            Quote: Malachite
            Russia is marsh, say? Can’t you fly into space without Russia? ha ha ha ...

            But they say that the USA has visited the moon? And such a debate around the engine. Hollywood, however. hiBut they cannot deliver their astronauts to the ISS without us. fellow

            What kind of Russians? You dear watch the media? They trampled the moon, shuttles threw the whole space, now again, or half a time without Russians on the ICA crawl ... And the program to Mars? Oh oh power and intellect! Please do not look at the snot and tears on the walls.
            Yes. We also live in the old groundwork.
            In my opinion, we can jerk in areas where a very narrow specificity of "Power and impossibility" is required. Sorry, I won't say otherwise. Genes. Weapon and Dream.
            Calm down, a dream is not a super-gun. A dream is super happiness and super justice.
            Unfortunately, we need to protect this.
            Well, that is a joke, that is, what raw materials do not let the Russians roll out the tank. And I'm proud. Because I am sure it will not be a crest, we will not be victorious, not a turksoevsevmozem, but our humble omnipresent. Sorry, so historically ordered, but what do we have to do with it?
            Sultanate, hetmans, again, I'm sorry, what kind of caterpillars ... are wound on themselves.
          7. sovetskyturist
            sovetskyturist 22 February 2016 23: 39
            +1
            But what, local masters in pole vaulting and without, it will be necessary to jump to the sun. Here are just glasses and a special cream to grab on. Cosmic cinema flights of Americans back and forth http: //коб-institut.com.ua/index.php / joomlaorg / statya-2/943-kosmiches
            kie-kinopol
            joty-amerikantsev-tuda-i-obratno http://mo---on.narod.ru/
          8. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 23 February 2016 05: 18
            +1
            Quote: vlad66
            But they say that the USA has visited the moon? And such a debate around the engine. Hollywood, however. But they cannot deliver their astronauts to the ISS without us.


            Yes, it has been, it has been, you cannot undo this. Once, everything else is from a stencil cubicle. Lucky for them, a ride on a tin can ... Yes, just look at their lander. Their designers cried with happiness after the splashdown, and their astronauts Armstrong, Aldridge, Collins - respects from me personally, serious, indeed, they took a step forward for humanity. Collins is sorry - hung in orbit and looked, but how he wanted to take a walk.
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 22 February 2016 13: 36
        +2
        Everyone earns their own way. The contradictions of the "businessmen-congressmen" spill over into the American show.
      3. PKK
        PKK 22 February 2016 21: 08
        +2
        McKein, Kanalya, is crushing the rivals of his friend Elonchik insolently! Yes, your Elonchik has done all the disasters in recent years. They don’t see the two sides of the shore. McKein became impudent, after he lost the tower in Vietnam.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 22 February 2016 13: 40
      16
      Quote: Vladimirets


      This is called the beautiful word "lobby", it is not corruption at all.


      That is why only the lazy is not talking about the sale of the RD-180. But the sale of Kuznetsov's NK-33 engines for their Antares for some reason suits everyone. Is it because these engines do not put pressure on Elon Musk's throat and therefore no lobby in the form of McCain and other rascals is required?
    3. max702
      max702 22 February 2016 14: 03
      53
      At least get involved! BUT I consider the sale of engines for mattress rockets Gos Treason! am
      Think WHAT are they launching into space on these rockets? Solely civilian products? Yeah right now! Satellite communications, reconnaissance, and guidance systems are the most important element in the US Army today! Without it, they are blind and deaf, and new navigation and target designation tools are being developed that will allow solving problems without satellites, but it will be tomorrow, or even the day after tomorrow, they threaten us today and now! Imagine that NASA would supply an engine for Russian Defense Ministry rockets! In the USA this would not be allowed FOR ANY MONEY!
      Regarding what we need to earn, and thereby give jobs, wages and so on .. I repeat once again the money in the country has FILLED! And as confirmation of my words, another purchase of US "securities" in December He recalled that in December 2015, compared with November, it increased investments in US Treasuries by $ 4,1 billion to 92,1 billion.
      https://news.mail.ru/politics/24896625/?frommail=1 И это сейчас когда правительство планирует вводить очень непопулярные меры , типа повышения налогов и пенсионного возраста..
      Have money ! There is! The question is when we begin to REALLY ask those who dispose of them!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 February 2016 14: 19
        +1
        At least get involved! BUT I consider the sale of engines for mattress rockets Gos Treason! they won’t buy from us, they will buy from others, from China, for example, to whom is it more profitable?
        1. Generalissimo
          Generalissimo 22 February 2016 15: 29
          12
          What will they buy from China? Engines from the J-11?
        2. marna
          marna 22 February 2016 16: 23
          11
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          they won’t buy from us, they will buy from others, from China, for example, to whom is it more profitable?

          If there was someone to buy, they would not have bought from us long ago.
          See how they blackmail us with energy when there is an alternative. And as silently, quietly, Germany is pushing "Nord Stream 2", because it concerns her personal energy security.
        3. Erg
          Erg 22 February 2016 22: 46
          0
          Yurich. I have always been in the ranks of your "fans". But I'll tell you - look in the wrong direction. yes
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 22 February 2016 14: 24
        23
        Quote: max702
        Have money ! There is! The question is when we begin to REALLY ask those who dispose of them!

        When the people will cease to feed the worthless government and the Fed branch represented by the Central Bank Nabiullina.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 22 February 2016 14: 37
          13
          And the people will not stop feeding these lying mediocrity .. Who is asking the people ?? The people turn to the president with an uncomfortable question, in response to retelling the parable that anyone who appears in their place (in the government) will first steal .. Everything, the circle closed ..
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: max702
          Have money ! There is! The question is when we begin to REALLY ask those who dispose of them!

          When the people will cease to feed the worthless government and the Fed branch represented by the Central Bank Nabiullina.
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 22 February 2016 19: 43
          +5
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Fed branch represented by the Central Bank Nabiullina.

          Well what are you! We will most likely once again hear something like:
      3. bannik
        bannik 22 February 2016 14: 26
        10
        I do not agree. The more they buy engines from us (reliable, but far from modern), the less they will release their engines. Do we not know this? The main thing is for us not to stagnate on our own, especially not to go back!
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 22 February 2016 14: 46
          10
          Quote: bannik
          I do not agree. The more they buy engines from us (reliable, but far from modern)

          Why not modern? Dear, a rocket engine is not an iPhone and 10-20 years is not a deadline for it.
          1. bannik
            bannik 22 February 2016 16: 35
            +8
            In fact, already over 30, as far as I know, it was remade from the 170th, as a purely export version, when they finally "tied" with Energia. The United States has a license to manufacture it, but they prefer to wait for a more modern one, and for now fly Russian ones.
        2. max702
          max702 22 February 2016 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: bannik
          I do not agree. The more they buy engines from us (reliable, but far from modern), the less they will release their engines. Do we not know this? The main thing is for us not to stagnate on our own, especially not to go back!

          Let them go! Are you aware that an engine from the US lunar program is suitable for these purposes? And as usual, everything related to the flight to the moon in the USA is lost! So let them spend REAL resources on the development, purchase of equipment. organization of technological chains, staff training, etc. .. How much will it cost? And take an interest in how much it costs us to restore engine technology for the Tu-160 .. and according to American tradition, it will all be much more expensive and more likely, understand the same finally, in the case of purchases from us, they DO NOT SPEND ANYTHING! From the word at all! We have 4 billion virtual pieces of paper from us, and of this money we have our REAL engines, and the most annoying WE can’t buy anything worthwhile with money (ay Mistral, engine, etc.) all the more so technology and equipment. Let them spend material and human resources, taking them away from other projects, you see where it slows down, and they don’t introduce something rotten for us .. Damn with them with sales of turntables and riflemen (although I am categorically against this in the troops there is by no means an excess) it can be bought from others but who have the RD-180 analogues?
          1. bannik
            bannik 22 February 2016 20: 43
            0
            Those. let's push the American engine building, help with new jobs, and our workers, well, maybe we will attach somewhere (or maybe not), equipment and equipment in scrap metal?
      4. Wolverine
        Wolverine 22 February 2016 15: 29
        +1
        And that, very well said, approving.
      5. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 22 February 2016 15: 40
        +5
        Quote: max702
        BUT I consider the sale of engines for mattress rockets Gos Treason!


        Plus, a colleague. RD-180 is produced only in Russia and personally this annoying sale for a penny annoys me, and even for billions, it annoys me anyway. Adolf also delivered oil until June 23, fans of the contract, damn it. Current America is the same fascists, and something needs to be done with these macaques.
      6. 34 region
        34 region 22 February 2016 15: 41
        +4
        Max 702! 14.03/14.19. A plus! The same thoughts. And Yuryevich XNUMX. minus. Yes, let them buy from China and India or in France. Yes, and there are engines. What did they fly to the moon on? Where are those lunar motors? If we do not sell engines to the Yusovites, I think it will not be tragic for us. I wonder if they put the conditions. Engines in exchange for something. Will they go for it?
      7. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 February 2016 16: 23
        +2
        And it’s good that they generally buy from us - now another billion dollars for machine builders is not superfluous.
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 24 February 2016 04: 59
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          And it’s good that they generally buy from us - now another billion dollars for machine builders is not superfluous.


          Billion or two stamped for the sake of production but not the topic at all. The country will not even notice this, it would be better to get rid of thieves ... And then, you know, you’ll come, for example, to the Housing Office or to the clinic, and there, in my offices, it’s mine! - Napoleons alone, and they do not go by minibuses or UAZs. Well, they are state employees ...
      8. Roman 57 rus
        Roman 57 rus 22 February 2016 16: 24
        +2
        I believe, on the contrary, it is necessary to keep them dependent on this issue, so that their engine building is completely destroyed.
      9. ty60
        ty60 22 February 2016 17: 11
        +6
        The idiotic policy of the Central Bank is to raise the rate in the context of the fall of the ruble! Loan the producer at 3% and lower the rate. Having revived the production, we will receive PAYABLE demand. Nabiullina for an hour, not an agent of influence?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2016 17: 43
          -2
          With a total debt of 16 trillion rubles - borrowers to banks, an interest rate reduction of up to three percent is impossible.
          1. asiat_61
            asiat_61 22 February 2016 23: 00
            +1
            Adept N wink aibulina?
        2. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 23 February 2016 16: 20
          0
          Nabiullina under Putin’s wing and she feels great! She wanted to spit on all your remarks and wishes! She knows her business well in supporting the US economy! Only when our Putin will see clearly?
      10. starded
        starded 22 February 2016 20: 30
        +1
        Treason !!! What else is there to discuss? Allowing the enemy to launch spy satellites against themselves is the height of ideotism ... max702 is the only one of the "branch" who said in essence.
      11. Erg
        Erg 22 February 2016 22: 43
        0
        Max. Now imagine that the enlightened in governance are both the United States and Russia. Feel how, contrary to your verbiage, does the meaning appear? I always say - first you need to understand the main thing. And the details themselves will fall into place. hi
    4. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 February 2016 14: 05
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "at 326 million on crustaceans"

      Is this how much we sell them crabs?

      No, this is for those who are facing the United States in an appropriate position. smile
      1. bannik
        bannik 22 February 2016 14: 30
        +6
        Baaaaa, so they also pay us for them ?!
        Are our local "crustaceans" really worth that much?
        1. Boos
          Boos 22 February 2016 15: 57
          +1
          Are they paid in fact? After all, we bought 20 lard less than US debt, in 2015. It is not yet known who is paying extra to whom. And so in a tense world, it is impossible for Amers to sell strategic goods.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 22 February 2016 16: 26
            -2
            For us, rocket engines are no longer a strategic product, but a market one.
        2. ty60
          ty60 22 February 2016 17: 21
          +4
          I would have sold them live weight of Taburetkin with his passion and Nabiullin, along with Chubais.
          1. bannik
            bannik 22 February 2016 18: 00
            +1
            So they already sold out to them a long time ago and we just fucked hemorrhoids from it. They must be handed over where Pechkin advised.
          2. asiat_61
            asiat_61 22 February 2016 23: 03
            +1
            And I would also pay extra so that they would not be in Russia.
          3. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 23 February 2016 16: 22
            0
            And I would not sell this gop company, but give it away for nothing, and I would pay extra so that I would not return!
      2. family tree
        family tree 22 February 2016 14: 38
        +2
        So, of course, to sell, just not to save up greens, but immediately tenologies and machines, on the left, strictly according to the law, that is, secretly, to buy up what
    5. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 22 February 2016 14: 23
      +6
      crabs, shrimps, krill. But it's really better for them not to sell the engines, so we like a thread ourselves on our engines will bring their companions "honestly honestly" and other grandmas to our budget)))
      1. PKK
        PKK 22 February 2016 21: 26
        +1
        Americans do not have high-power rocket engines. The engine type is on Saturn 5, only it has a huge nozzle that gives strong vibration and difficulties in a stable temperature. It does not have a uniform fuel supply. It’s not for nothing that our multi-nozzle engines were made for stability. And I I think the same thing is impossible for the Americans to sell. Not the last piece we’ll finish. We get out. But if they sell, then this is a matter of big politics, which we do not know.
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 23 February 2016 16: 25
          0
          Quote: PKK
          a matter of big politics that we do not know.

          Why don’t we know? Are we the last halfwits? We must know the politics of our government!
    6. cap
      cap 22 February 2016 15: 15
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "at 326 million on crustaceans"

      Is this how much we sell them crabs? belay

      "McCain’s interest in this matter is also related to his desire to eliminate competition for his friend Elon Musk, the founder of SpaceX, which has already made numerous delays and catastrophic failures many times."

      This is called the beautiful word "lobby", it is not corruption at all.


      I have a simple question. On which "lobby" we got to the moon and back, countless times.
      The father of "Kuz'kina's mother" cannot be suspected of lobbying.
      Take off the Apollo engines in the Hollywood warehouse, if Stanley Kubrick is right, there are also props from the filming of The Martian. Fly to the glory of AMERICA.
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    8. siberalt
      siberalt 22 February 2016 18: 29
      +1
      So let them change their sanctions on our engines. Or weak? There is something else interesting. Why not sell them our engines for rubles? Let them get used to their "bright" futurelaughing
      1. clidon
        clidon 22 February 2016 23: 09
        -1
        But do not sell them our engines for rubles?

        They may refuse. And we definitely will not want to lose such an order.
    9. vodolaz
      vodolaz 22 February 2016 20: 55
      +2
      Without McCain in American politics it will somehow become boring: you still need to look for such a Russophobe.
  2. Trailer
    Trailer 22 February 2016 13: 04
    12
    Here explain. Ragozin once said that the rocket engines for American reconnaissance satellites will not be sold anymore. But in fact, how is this controlled?
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 February 2016 13: 08
      19
      Quote: Karavan
      But in reality, how is this controlled?

      In fact, Rogozin is threatening the Americans with a trampoline, but he regularly sells rocket engines to them. At the same time, it does not have the ability to control which satellite the States launch - military or peaceful. All this is not good ..
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 22 February 2016 13: 19
        12
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        At the same time, it does not have the ability to control which satellite the States launch - military or peaceful. All this is not good ..

        And what is there to control? It is said in plain text:
        Do not rush to abandon Russian rocket engines, without which the US military may be in a difficult position

        Okay, we need both money and the development of production and staff training, but!
        Is it really impossible, by the type of the same Americans, to ban the use of our engines in the US military space by their legislative norms?
        How did they tie our banks to their tax policy?
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 22 February 2016 13: 55
          -1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Is it really impossible, by the type of the same Americans, to ban the use of our engines in the US military space by their legislative norms?

          And you think that after this our engines will be needed by the USA? And then what do we do with staff in factories, cut back? After all, we do not need engines in this quantity.
        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 22 February 2016 23: 08
          0
          The banks themselves are attached.
      2. gergi
        gergi 22 February 2016 13: 20
        +7
        Rogozin turned into a simple talker. If at first he tried to do something, then now only in language. Or fed, or despaired of fighting with thieves.
        1. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 22 February 2016 15: 20
          +4
          To be honest, he was him from the very beginning. The head of everything without anything.
      3. dorz
        dorz 22 February 2016 13: 29
        +5
        The ingenuity of Americans knows no bounds.
      4. Crucian
        Crucian 22 February 2016 14: 11
        +1
        At the same time, it does not have the ability to control which satellite the States launch - military or peaceful.

        A "OKNO" in the Pamirs in Tajikistan, isn't it? Or I'm wrong?
      5. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 22 February 2016 14: 41
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        to control which satellite there the States will launch - military or peaceful - is not possible.
        There are dual-use satellites. So try to check if all of them are launched into orbit by NASA.
        Quote: Karavan
        rocket engines for U.S. intelligence satellites will no longer sell.

        I would like to believe. But they announce the launch of 3, and ours discover 4 in orbit! To a directly posed question - the answer is: this technological equipment was abnormally separated. And it flies in a passive mode until the right moment does not bother anyone ... Like we have a hooligan from the "Cosmos" series, who himself began to change orbits and fly up to "their spies".
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        after that our engines will be needed by the USA?
        Yes, they will buy from the French, well, for more money than ours. But we will be left without income and jobs. So everything is calculated.
      6. Stanislas
        Stanislas 22 February 2016 15: 50
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        to control which satellite there the States will launch - military or peaceful - is not able
        Did Rogozin personally report this to you? And didn’t agree with the General Staff? belay Or a comment from the series "Who are the" friends of the people "and how do they fight against the Social Democrats?
        1. clidon
          clidon 22 February 2016 23: 10
          +1
          And then Rogozin, when the United States plainly tells them why such engines.
    2. Malachite
      Malachite 22 February 2016 13: 41
      0
      Quote: Karavan
      Here explain. Ragozin once said that the rocket engines for American reconnaissance satellites will not be sold anymore. But in fact, how is this controlled?

      In fact, none of your business! Soon at another spaceport. everything will be! (bugs and cameras can give to the owners ...))))
  3. meriem1
    meriem1 22 February 2016 13: 06
    +8
    Oh how. And let them quote about technological backwardness ???? And on what they flew to the moon if even 180s seem to them the height of perfection ???
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 February 2016 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: meriem1
      А what did they fly to the moon if even 180s seem to them the height of perfection ???

      Fart pair laughing And where did they fly? After all, you can drive to Hollywood by car.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 22 February 2016 14: 15
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        And where did they fly?


        Apparently, yes.
        A little off topic, but the Yankees are great ahead of us in space exploration, and we are 20 years behind that. Here comes the NASA message on Mars:
        (cry.)
        1. Infinity
          Infinity 22 February 2016 15: 29
          +2
          Quote: meriem1
          And what did they fly to the moon if even 180s seemed to them the height of perfection?

          They brought out Skylab calmly with the F-1 and Saturn-V. Just the Americans are very practical. The same F-1 is very expensive and not safe (by modern standards). And RD-180 is cheaper and more proven. And the sanctions .. What are the sanctions when it comes to benefits laughing
          Quote: Lelek
          and we are 20 years behind.

          If we look at the history of astronautics, then our lag (in the field of SS research at least) began already in 1970 and finally consolidated by 1990 ... We did not fly further than Mars and Venus. Not a single AMC And American spacecraft have already begun to leave the solar system. Uranus and Neptune were explored in the vicinity only by American Voyagers, Pluto - by New Horizons.
    2. clidon
      clidon 22 February 2016 23: 13
      +1
      F-1 engines flew. These are very powerful engines. Now the developments on them are used in the SLS project.
  4. razved
    razved 22 February 2016 13: 08
    +7
    Here, who will explain to me (I’m not catching up with someone), why don’t we ourselves stop selling engines to amers ??? recourse
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 22 February 2016 13: 10
      +4
      Need a train! Nothing extra!
    2. square
      square 22 February 2016 13: 18
      +5
      While the entire world economy operates with the dollar, we are forced to sell them at least something. The bigger, the better. And they will launch their satellites anyway, they will only pay someone else for it. And we also need to arm ourselves for something. Let them pay. We will then, on occasion, return these dollars to them in the form of some "Caliber". Although I hope not.
    3. ty60
      ty60 22 February 2016 17: 37
      +1
      To maintain production capacities, preserve workers. Do not step on a rake 90x!
  5. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 22 February 2016 13: 09
    +5
    Gentlemen senators. Or maybe you still listen to the opinion of old McCain?
  6. biserino
    biserino 22 February 2016 13: 13
    +6
    They shut him up, and this is a senator. American society has its own huge internal problems, but the creature that lives on their backs has been entertained by various wars away from their homes.
  7. Altona
    Altona 22 February 2016 13: 16
    +8
    Are "trampolines" of own production postponed again? Why not raise the price of the engines?
    PS It’s just interesting what alternatives to our engine are and how it is possible to arrange for them to release their engine in a short time.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 February 2016 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      what are the alternatives to our engine and how is it possible to arrange for them to release their engine in a short time.

      The United States expects to finally abandon Russian engines by the 2019 year. The refusal from RD-180 is associated with the ban on military-technical cooperation with Moscow imposed by Washington after the reunification of Crimea with Russia.
      Washington plans to contract with four contractors.
      Among the main contenders for media development are the United Launch Alliance (a joint venture of Lockheed Martin Corp and Boeing), SpaceX, and Aerojet Rocketdyne Holdings Inc.
      Earlier, Blue Origin, Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon.com, announced that it intends to produce the new BE-4 rocket engine, which will go on sale in 2019 year and can be installed on the Atlas V. rocket. Dynetics and Aerojet Rocketdyne also intend to jointly produce rocket kerosene-based AR-1 engine.
      1. ty60
        ty60 22 February 2016 17: 42
        +1
        The results are so far worse than the F-35. That at least flies. Although like that. Milking the budget, Russia is resting.
      2. PKK
        PKK 22 February 2016 21: 37
        0
        These are all dreams, they look like early Saturns, Hollywood ones. The engine is not enough to do, it needs to be brought to mind for many years. And most importantly: This is the Talented Chief Designer. If you have such a Designer, the engine will appear. Yes, and it is desirable to sell with your fuel, whatever it is questions.
  8. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 22 February 2016 13: 17
    +6
    Emotional guys, they’d directly refuse everything! But in politics, there should be no place for emotions at all. The interests of the country are above all else. Example-Ukraine, which is called sitting and not humming!
  9. 13 warrior
    13 warrior 22 February 2016 13: 17
    +6
    If we ignore the attitude towards US citizens, then Shelby is right. The point of abandoning Russian rocket engines if you don’t have your own?
    And McCain has long established itself as a paranoid and Slavophobe.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 February 2016 13: 20
    +4
    Well done. Dogs from different packs got together! And it turns out that the half-male McCain barks for a reason, but quite to himself with a material meaning, perhaps even "prepaid."
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 February 2016 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      McCain barks for a reason, but quite to himself with a material meaning, perhaps even "prepaid".

      There was hope, what kind of idea?
  11. Yarik
    Yarik 22 February 2016 13: 22
    +3
    US senator urged not to rush to abandon the Russian RD-180

    In vain. And so, having been left without oil and in the appendage of engine sales, maybe someone would have stirred something in the power heads there? It’s not possible to call their heads. This is about the Russian Federation.
  12. Masya masya
    Masya masya 22 February 2016 13: 26
    +6
    "McCain's interest in this matter is also related to his desire to eliminate competition for his friend Elon Musk, founder of SpaceX"
    And someone believed that he was striving for the states?
  13. Stinger
    Stinger 22 February 2016 13: 32
    +1
    In order not to suffer, it is necessary to stop deliveries. Let the Atlases rest a little.
  14. biserino
    biserino 22 February 2016 13: 32
    +3
    laughing Senator McCain became a US hero because he spent almost the entire Vietnam War captive by the Vietnamese! And he is not a traitor? Apparently the ass still hurts from time to time ...
  15. Private27
    Private27 22 February 2016 13: 35
    +3
    This Rogozin would go to one place only to chat with his tongue ... WATER. Have you put things in order on ** East? am
  16. EvgNik
    EvgNik 22 February 2016 13: 36
    +2
    Where are they going from the submarine? But here the price is doubled - triple folding would not hurt. There is no alternative and is not expected.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 February 2016 15: 19
      0
      SpaceX has a series of Merlin rocket engines (1C, Vacuum 1C, 1D).

      No United Launch Alliance (Voying + Lockheed Martin).

      Congress doesn't want SpaceX to become a monopolist
      in rocket engines in the US market.
      Hence the fuss.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 22 February 2016 15: 22
        +1
        Not in rocket engines, but in launch services. Engines there are still a bunch of people producing, and their bunch of species.
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 22 February 2016 15: 51
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh


        Congress doesn't want SpaceX to become a monopolist
        in rocket engines in the US market.
        Hence the fuss.

        Who told you that? You think very naively. The main reason why Elon Musk is trying by hook or by crook to ban the sale of the RD-180 in the USA is that the Merlin engine does not withstand any competition with the RD-180. Compare their characteristics, for example, the most important indicator of engine efficiency is the specific impulse, and you will see that MERLIN COMPARED to RD-180 is like a STONE AX and KALASHNIKOV.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 22 February 2016 15: 58
          +2
          Marilyn
          Specific Impulse: Vacuum: 311 s [2]
          Sea level: 282 s [2]
          RD-180
          Vacuum: 337,8 s
          Sea level: 311,3 s

          Even you greatly offended the Kalashnikov assault rifle, did you hear that he is shooting, and not just with a bayonet?
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 22 February 2016 16: 24
            +1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Marilyn
            Specific Impulse: Vacuum: 311 s [2]
            Sea level: 282 s [2]
            RD-180
            Vacuum: 337,8 s
            Sea level: 311,3 s

            Even you greatly offended the Kalashnikov assault rifle, did you hear that he is shooting, and not just with a bayonet?

            It is impossible to offend Kalashnikov. It is he who offends everyone for almost 70 years and, God forbid, will “offend” as much.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 22 February 2016 16: 37
              +2
              Constructor still offended. But alright about the sad, the difference is not great, and if you take the specialized Marilyn Vakumm, there is even higher. therefore, by this characteristic, by. But at the same time, as a Marilyn engine, it cannot compete with the RD-180 in price, only for reasons not related to technology.
              http://ria.ru/economy/20110511/373020049.html
              MOSCOW, May 11 - RIA Novosti. OJSC NPO Energomash sold Russian RD-180 rocket engines for American Atlas-5 launch vehicles for half the cost of their production costs, according to the Russian Audit Chamber.
              "In this regard, only in 2008-2009, the loss from their sales amounted to about 880 million rubles, or almost 68% of all Energomash losses," the materials say.

              And where are the landings and breaking the bonded contract? Probably the author of the contract along with Serdyukov drink at the Brudershaft. am
              1. Proxima
                Proxima 22 February 2016 18: 38
                0
                Quote: BlackMokona
                Constructor still offended.

                Do you have any understanding of what you read? I did not put the ax and Kalashnikov assault rifle in one row! I contrasted them. Do you know such literary comment as contrast comparison?
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 22 February 2016 18: 50
                  +1
                  You see, when in contrast comparison A is better than B by only 9%, and at the same time you took Kalash for analog A, and stone ax for analog B, it turns out that in your Kalash it is better, stone ax by 9% wink
              2. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 22 February 2016 18: 52
                +1
                Quote: BlackMokona
                And where are the landings and breaking the bonded contract?

                Wake up, hearty! Mentally transported (if you can, of course) to the devastation of the 1992 of the year and say thanks to those who did not destroy these products, as was commanded by the highest, and cherished and then offered them for sale. Thus saved the main production of Mashstroy from ruin.
                Now, "in hindsight" we are all keen to look at prices, but the fact that in a hungry year we were able to actually support a "domestic producer", saving the leading enterprise of the industry from bankruptcy - so nobody sees it today! Everybody sees SAWS everywhere! (And along the road ... Serdyukovs stand with braids ... and silence!)
                You can’t measure all by yourself, by God!
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 22 February 2016 19: 22
                  +5
                  Mentally transported in 1992 and can not find there RD-180. There is no such thing. It was created only in 1999, and the first use in 2000 soldier
                  You confuse it with HK-33, which was generally lying in warehouses with the Soviet Lunar program, and it was precisely its highest order to destroy it, and not to destroy it, and hid it.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 22 February 2016 16: 50
            +1
            Compare the dimensions and weight of Merlin and RD-180 ...
            Who is Kalashnikov, I don’t know ... wink
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 22 February 2016 18: 22
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Compare the dimensions and weight of Merlin and RD-180 ...
              Who is Kalashnikov, I don’t know ... wink

              No one is trying to compare the dimensions, weight and thrust of engines. RD-180 is much more powerful than Merlin, therefore its size and weight are larger. We are talking about the efficiency index, the efficiency of the engine - the specific impulse, which is much higher in the "hundred and eighty".
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 22 February 2016 18: 49
                0
                I would not say that 9% is much more.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 February 2016 15: 26
      +4
      Quote: EvgNik
      There is no alternative and is not expected.

      Those who want to eat.
      Dnipropetrovsk State Enterprise "Design Bureau" South "intends to offer the United States its rocket engines instead of the Russian RD-180,
      To date, the company has developed more than 30 types of liquid rocket engines, 17 of which are brought to mass production. The development engines of the KBYu are equipped with Zenit, Cyclone and Vega launch vehicles.
      The Yankees were seduced by this offer. Blinded a rocket (Falcon), put it on the Kourou Cosmodrome in French Guinea, launched. The rocket exploded. Ukrainians were blamed for everything.
      That’s all for a short time.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 22 February 2016 15: 27
        0
        Facepalm
        Rocket Falcon flies on American Marilyn engines, and takes off from American military spaceports lol You completely forgot about another rocket, from another company
        1. Generalissimo
          Generalissimo 22 February 2016 15: 30
          0
          Which engine is "taken as a basis"?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 22 February 2016 15: 49
            0
            Marilyn was built from scratch. Production of the RD-180 itself at US enterprises remained only on paper. (Technology was all transferred to the United States in the dashing 90 years)
            1. Generalissimo
              Generalissimo 23 February 2016 15: 42
              0
              This is why its maximum thrust is indicated in kilonewtons and taxiways in ton-forces? And about how many times this indicator is different do not write anything? :-)
              Mentally transported to 1992, you will find there a dusty RD-171 which was simply sawn in half.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 24 February 2016 09: 26
                0
                RD-171 10 tons, Marilyn less than half a ton. Now tell us how, having cut ten tons in half, you can get half a ton? bully
                1. Generalissimo
                  Generalissimo 25 February 2016 15: 00
                  0
                  Thrust ... thrust, not mass - there was a question about it :-))) instead of cutting the taxiway in half, you have to sculpt 9 merlins in one rocket, which gives much less reliability :-)
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 February 2016 19: 40
          +3
          Quote: BlackMokona
          You completely forgot about another rocket, from another company

          I admit, I was wrong. I am correcting.
          Everything happened on 28.10.2014. at the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport on Wallops Island in Virginia. The launch of the Antares booster was scheduled for 18 hours 22 minutes. But 6 seconds after launch, an explosion occurred.
          The rocket fell right on the launch pad, a strong fire began. The automatic cargo ship Cygnus (the constellation Cygnus in Latin) was destroyed, and the spaceport received damage.
          A total of eight launches were anticipated. After the first trial in April 2014, NASA signed a contract with Orbital Sciences, a private corporation. Those, in turn, ordered first-stage engines in Ukraine.
          They were created by the Ukrainian design bureau Yuzhnoye named after Mikhail Yangel and manufactured at the production association Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant in Dnepropetrovsk in cooperation with a number of Ukrainian enterprises. The AJ-26 first stage engine is a modified Soviet-made NK-33. Now they are made by the Samara enterprise "SNTK named after Nikolai Kuznetsov". But in Ukraine, they remove some of the equipment from it, add American electronics, check for compatibility with fuel produced in the USA, and also equip it with a hinge to control the thrust vector. The second stage of Antares is powered by American Castor-30 solid-fuel engines.
          Given that the Antares booster rocket exploded in the 6 second, it can be assumed that questions will be about first-stage engines or control systems.
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2082662
    3. ty60
      ty60 22 February 2016 17: 45
      0
      It’s not so easy to bend to a maximum of 20 percent below other potential suppliers. It will be necessary to clearly monitor the situation, or we’ll get to not renew the contract.
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  17. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 22 February 2016 13: 39
    +2
    US senator urged not to rush to abandon the Russian RD-180

    That’s it, a peasant interposed, a Putin clicker and Ukrainians will impose sanctions, no luck for the dude, well, then a mourning march (WRITTEN I WOULD NOT KNOW THE NOTE) lol
  18. valent45
    valent45 22 February 2016 13: 40
    0
    Do not sell unless as retaliatory sanctions. This is more convincing.
    And are patriotic interests lower than economic ones?
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  20. Dezinto
    Dezinto 22 February 2016 13: 52
    +3
    "Backward, primitive Russians".

    The first man in space, the first robot on the moon and Venus, the first man to spacewalk. The first orbital station!

    21st century - geniuses of the invention of the background cannot fly without a Russian engine.

    "Backward, primitive Russians." !!
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 22 February 2016 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      21st century - geniuses of the invention of the background cannot fly without a Russian engine.

      But the most interesting thing is that they cannot repeat their type design F1 super-duper ... It’s like Mikhalych laughing And a natural question arises - in general, was there a boy (Fы1)? With those characteristics as they stated? And 400 kg of "lunar soil" got lost somewhere))) winked
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 February 2016 16: 37
        +1
        And why should they repeat F1 - they took a compressor from him to modernize the RS 25 rocket engine, which will lift the super-heavy SLS rocket in 2018.
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 22 February 2016 18: 39
          -2
          Quote: Vadim237
          And why should they repeat F1

          So instead of fencing the garden, it’s probably easier to reproduce what has already been done? And they could refuse fellow On a modern basis, they would even improve)))
          But no, you have to start from scratch laughing
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 22 February 2016 16: 49
        0
        The F-1 does not have a super duper, let's compare it with the Shuttle RS-25, in terms of specific impulse.
        Isp (vac.) 304 seconds (2.98 km / s)
        Isp (SL) 263 seconds (2.58 km / s)
        RS-25
        Isp (vac.) 452.3 seconds (4.436 km / s)
        Isp (SL) 366 seconds (3.59 km / s)
        Voila fellow
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2016 17: 46
          0
          Yes, there’s a huge difference between the two heavy-duty engines.
        2. Raven1972
          Raven1972 22 February 2016 18: 41
          -2
          And fy-1 is not the state? ))) And yes, judging by the declared characteristics - for 67g. he is even very duper hi
          Yes, there’s a huge difference between the two heavy-duty engines.

          Which are gone))) One is no longer (and it is not known whether he was exactly the same as we are pictured), and the second is not yet (and it is not known whether he will turn out as he was intended) laughing
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 22 February 2016 18: 46
            +1
            The State, the State, they just constantly demand it back, although there is much better. wink
            1. Raven1972
              Raven1972 22 February 2016 19: 40
              0
              Quote: BlackMokona
              State, State

              Sorry hi Wrong read))) laughing Shuttle written there))) drinks
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 22 February 2016 19: 49
                0
                drinks Nothing, everything happens
                1. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 22 February 2016 19: 54
                  0
                  Yes sir ))) soldier laughing drinks
            2. Raven1972
              Raven1972 22 February 2016 19: 50
              0
              Quote: BlackMokona
              just constantly demanding it be returned, although there is much better

              Since he is such a super-duper (I'm talking about PC), then what kind of product do they have to buy ours? That is the question ... hi It seems to me that there are more problems with him than they want to show ... That's how somehow wink
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 22 February 2016 20: 07
                +1
                Money and nothing personal. Imagine flying on an enemy engine, thereby ruining the adversary. Just a corruption tale
                MOSCOW, May 11 - RIA Novosti. OJSC NPO Energomash sold Russian RD-180 rocket engines for American Atlas-5 launch vehicles for half the cost of their production costs, according to the Russian Audit Chamber.
                "In this regard, only in 2008-2009, the loss from their sales amounted to about 880 million rubles, or almost 68% of all Energomash losses," the materials say.


                RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20110511/373020049.html#ixzz40uw6CTgB
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 22 February 2016 20: 36
                +1
                Quote: Raven1972
                Since he is such a super-duper (I'm talking about PC), then what kind of product do they have to buy ours?

                I'll try to explain it in "potato". For example, you have a "Zhiguli" and he needs a motor. You don't have a suitable one, but Kamazovsky lies in the barn. So what do you want to look for if there is something in the barn? Put it on and ride! hi
                1. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 22 February 2016 21: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  I'll try to explain it in "potato". For example, you have a "Zhiguli" and he needs a motor. You don't have a suitable one, but Kamazovsky lies in the barn. So what do you want to look for if there is something in the barn? Put it on and ride!

                  Not really))) You make a car and you don’t have an engine for it, but there are drawings and calculations for a more powerful one for another car that you did earlier. And what will you do? That's right, take it and creatively process it to your needs, make a couple of samples, test it, bring it to mind and here you have the engine you need ... An example is a line of the same taxiways from 170th to 191st. Or tank V-2 and V-4 ... hi
                  1. faridg7
                    faridg7 23 February 2016 02: 32
                    +2
                    Oooooh, V-2 is generally a cool unit. In my opinion, it’s not necessary to invent anything new after him, only to change the sizes on a scale and at any scale he will work like a clock. Here is truly an eternal engine
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          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 22 February 2016 19: 03
            +2
            In the production of F 1 has not been around for a long time, but the advanced RS 25 is already a mass unit in production.
            1. Raven1972
              Raven1972 22 February 2016 19: 36
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              but the advanced RS 25 is already a massive unit in production.

              If it’s already so serial, so will the SLS only fly in the 18th year and will it fly? wink It’s become really interesting right now))) If they are at a distance of 67m in a couple of years, F1 and Atlas-5 have been sloppy, then now what prevents us from launching this year? In theory, they shouldn’t have had problems with modern technologies and supercomputers, but do they (have problems)?
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 22 February 2016 19: 42
                +2
                Money, in those years, NASA’s budget was astronomical, to catch up and overtake the Russians urgently, and now amid the refusal of the Russian Space Agency to fly somewhere and build an extra-heavy rocket, why in a hurry, and the Chinese are not going to land on Mars tomorrow.
                1. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 22 February 2016 19: 58
                  0
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  and the Chinese are not going to land on Mars tomorrow.

                  So it’s like you were gathering recently? Or am I missing something? hi
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 22 February 2016 20: 04
                    +1
                    The Chinese are going to the moon, not to Mars. And then only by 2020, that is, if the administration knocks off on the moon and greets the Chinese at the landing site, the start of SLS in 2018 suits them.
                    But at the same time, for the USA, the Moon has already passed the stage, and they can report, well, that they have caught up with our half-century flag flag. Greetings. But the landing on Mars is already the spitting of the USA, and a threat to the Americans’ self-conceit, which means that as soon as the PRC decides to land on Mars, then the whole Martian program will get a kick and start spinning.
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 22 February 2016 20: 43
                +1
                Quote: Raven1972
                If they are away from 67m in a couple of years, F1 and Atlas-5 have been sloppy, then now what prevents us from launching this year, say?

                Everything is so simple - "What should we build a house - we will draw we will live!"
                How long are we building "Angara"?
                By presidential decree of January 6, 1995 “On the development of the Angara missile complex”, the work on creating the Angara missile system was defined as work of special national importance.
                20 years have passed however! And we fly on the Soyuz. Build a carrier rocket, this is not a fig! hi
                1. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 22 February 2016 21: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  How long are we building "Angara"?

                  Oh, how, only you forget that they didn’t have our 90s, they didn’t have 20 years of disorder and vacillation, and they didn’t cut and stop financing the development, because it’s incorrect to compare ... Who prevented them? For some reason, we retained our potential.
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 22 February 2016 21: 18
                    +1
                    Cut and stopped
                    At the initiative of President Barack Obama, the United States in February 2010 abandoned the Constellation space program and the development of the Orion spacecraft and the Ares-5 launch vehicle. [1]
                    1. Raven1972
                      Raven1972 22 February 2016 21: 26
                      0
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      Cut and stopped

                      So we decided that it is not necessary yet))) And for 20 years we have not financed new developments in general, starting with the tagged .... recourse And the staff did not prepare all this time, and those who worked before - so they are not eternal, how much it took (((Well, at least we have saved something and are developing a little ... hi
                      P.S. But haven't they launched the Jade before? It seems like he's already there on the moon?
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 23 February 2016 07: 59
                        0
                        As I said, there is no sense for them now, there will be a competitor, there will be a run. You yourself noticed Russia, now they are not a competitor in space, they haven’t developed, personnel haven’t trained, talents are running away, corruption is eating up the space budget, at an astronomical pace. Not a single device has left the Earth’s orbit since the collapse of the USSR. The Martian program will begin in Russia, then here’s a competitor and hello, a new space race.
                        The jade hare which has stalled near the start, and whose Chinese must return radically different in complexity things back to Earth.
                      2. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 23 February 2016 08: 23
                        0
                        Russia gives them almost free of charge engines and neutron detectors, Russia built the ISS and takes them there, really - what kind of competitor is it to them? Then now, from the Germans to NASA, one spokesperson remained, it simply could not stand the competition ...
                      3. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 23 February 2016 10: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Generalissimo
                        Russia gives them almost free engines

                        Each engine costs $ 9 million. The contract for the supply of 101 products. In total, almost a billion "useful" money in the economy
                        Quote: Generalissimo
                        Russia built the ISS
                        This world was a Russian station. And the ISS is a joint project. It has both the Amer segment and the European one. And we are not taking them to the ISS for free. Each flight for amers costs 71 million dollars.
                        Quote: Generalissimo
                        of the Germans at NASA, one spokesperson was left,

                        So they will look for a new von Braun! Buy: they have a lot of candy wrappers!
                        Quote: Generalissimo
                        NASA just can not stand the competition ...
                        belay Hm what Oh, how! lol
                      4. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 23 February 2016 11: 53
                        0
                        For space, these are pennies, which are then invested in US Treasures, which grow from this while the ruble is sinking :-)
                        Google the origin of the main module in the American segment of the ISS
                        they don’t do such in Germany anymore :-) by the way, even von Braun somehow, for any candy wrappers, didn’t put a single AMC on Venus,
                        Well, something like this!
                      5. clidon
                        clidon 23 February 2016 13: 15
                        0
                        For space it's a penny

                        We have the entire budget of Roscosmos for this year 1,35 billion dollars.

                        The ISS is a joint scientific project, anyway. We would not build on American money - it is still unknown who would have a station now and who would not.
                      6. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 23 February 2016 13: 38
                        0
                        1,35 billion invested in US Treasures? What a mess!
                        It is known that the Americans would not have succeeded with the station. :-)
                      7. clidon
                        clidon 23 February 2016 15: 44
                        0
                        As I understand it, you still realize that the budget is the budget, and reserves are reserves. And that the time may come when the sold US Treasures will give the same Roscosmos the opportunity not to let the oak go hungry.
                      8. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 23 February 2016 16: 08
                        0
                        It's vryatli - they are now American ...
                      9. clidon
                        clidon 23 February 2016 20: 43
                        0
                        Reserves? Why did you get this?
                      10. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 23 February 2016 23: 38
                        0
                        And why are you not? Farmers too ...
                      11. clidon
                        clidon 24 February 2016 05: 18
                        0
                        Question to question? Hmm
                        How would you put forward a very controversial thesis which, as I understand it, is expressed in the fact that the purchase of foreign securities immediately makes them an American acquisition. Already to prove to you.
                      12. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 25 February 2016 14: 55
                        0
                        To prove to you that investments in American farmers instead of Russian will save someone in Russia from hunger :-)
                      13. clidon
                        clidon 25 February 2016 15: 44
                        0
                        You say that investing in securities automatically makes them American. And this is demagogy. How to buy the Central Bank and sell. In the meantime, they are in reserve (as opposed to cash or gold) they bring income to the country.
                      14. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 25 February 2016 18: 35
                        0
                        Demagogy is entirely with you ... also about gold.
                      15. clidon
                        clidon 25 February 2016 20: 47
                        0
                        Scraptor )))
                        What is not working under your login?
                      16. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 25 February 2016 20: 59
                        0
                        Are other smart people coming to the site? Or was nobody else able to catch you for your heresy? :-)
                        Meanwhile, the US authorities "recommended" banks (their own and European ones) to abandon Russian government bonds, because this runs counter to the sanctions. US Warns Banks Off Russian Bonds = State, Treasury say helping sell debt would undermine sanctions on country :-)
                        turned on the naibulin.
                      17. clidon
                        clidon 25 February 2016 22: 37
                        -1
                        You are not just talking the same nonsense with the same whistles. Which allows us to draw certain conclusions. Most likely true.

                        And what if the USA refuses our bonds, we stop receiving interest on the bonds in the reserve fund? We can not sell them in the market? Hello to the brain. )
                      18. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 26 February 2016 02: 21
                        -1
                        Is there still such a fund? And why is he not in the Russian Federation? :-)))
                        At least the English commentary above understand? If so, then tell your kunstkamera ...
                        Explain your whistle about how American farmers will save someone from starvation in Russia and not Russian. :-)
                        Start with this. Then about the rest, about the engines and about how the Americans on the ISS would suddenly manage to continue alone.
                      19. clidon
                        clidon 26 February 2016 16: 51
                        0
                        Scraptor, you just ignore my words. If we have a reserve fund and we use it, does it matter where it "lies"? People have money not in their pockets, but in the bank, is it now the bank's money?
                      20. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 26 February 2016 18: 27
                        0
                        The country should always have its own stabilization fund with itself.
                        Voices do not torment? In order then on the entire list of topics please. :-)
                        Including English.
                      21. clidon
                        clidon 26 February 2016 20: 21
                        0
                        Why should he be "always with him"? Because you personally wanted it that way?
                        Scraptor your voice I recognize from a thousand. ) Do not worry.
                        I don’t read English. Translate.
                      22. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 26 February 2016 21: 16
                        0
                        Do you have a club of depositors deceived by Scraptor in your camp of "economists" and nobody speaks English?
                        Or are there any bright memories associated with this person?
                        Well, since the problem with the voices, then I will answer for you: you wrote absolutely nonsense about (oh, horror) "save Roskosos from hunger" with the services of American, not Russian farmers, so that all the rest of your nonsense in this thread does not seem like nonsense. :-)
                        Then you began to write that others "write nonsense."

                        Further, about the sanctions and the purchase of debt, everything was in English, you can fill it in with a Google translator if you have one, and check the translation that was before the English text.
                        From the country with the services of such naibulins as they pumped everything out, they are pumping everything out. As RD-180 for a penny, the construction and transportation of astronauts to the ISS, and the assets that go for this "service", and for everything, everything, everything else.
                        This is simply a "state" offshore, super-exploitation of fooled Russians, the export of their material assets and the withdrawal of their capital abroad.
                        And in order to increase fooling and so that people do not catch on - in RuNet you and others like you.
                      23. clidon
                        clidon 26 February 2016 21: 27
                        0
                        Too many letters. Till.
                      24. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 26 February 2016 21: 54
                        0
                        Niasilil? But readers will understand everything :-)))
          3. Generalissimo
            Generalissimo 26 February 2016 02: 38
            0
            It means that really rarely anyone catches for naibulin "heresy" :-)))
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 22 February 2016 21: 41
    +1
    There is no doubt that the SLS will fly, the most difficult is done, but whether our superheavy missile will ever fly is a big question.
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 22 February 2016 22: 12
      -2
      Quote: Vadim237
      There is no doubt that the SLS will fly

      So let's see in the 18th year))) Something tells me that the terms are gradually shifted first to the 19th, then to the 24th ...
      Quote: Vadim237
      but whether our superheavy missile will ever fly is a big question.

      I really hope that it will fly, and earlier than the SLS, after all, the specialists are still there, they will bring to mind .... The main thing is that they do not cover financing again (((
      1. clidon
        clidon 23 February 2016 09: 44
        0
        And with financing just everything is sadder and sadder.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 February 2016 13: 35
        0
        Our superheavy rocket was moved until 2030, and there FIG knows what will happen.
        1. Generalissimo
          Generalissimo 24 February 2016 00: 10
          0
          Our superheavy at Baikonur stood until it was crushed by the roof.
  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 22 February 2016 14: 26
    +2
    Engines can be sold, but for gold, and green paper and state. let them keep receipts. Soon, green paper will go out of fashion.
    1. clidon
      clidon 23 February 2016 20: 50
      0
      Soon, green paper will go out of fashion.

      Panarin promised in the fall of 2009.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 22 February 2016 14: 32
    +2
    And in a great country like Ukraine, buy engines. Your rockets will fall more often. laughing
  • Flat5160
    Flat5160 22 February 2016 14: 36
    -2
    And you want and prick, and the mother does not order. Some kind of schizophrenia, instead of calmly working on the creation of its own engine (it’s evident that the engine drawings on which our scouts were flying to the moon), carry some kind of nonsense. In my opinion, we hear this in the media every week for the period since the introduction of sanctions against us.
  • askort154
    askort154 22 February 2016 14: 54
    0
    Yeah. In rocket science, the United States and the USSR started from the same line - the V-2.
    Only the Americans took out the design bureau headed by Brown and dozens of ready-made missiles, and we got the remnants of what we were able to "scrape out of their paws" (we collected 11 pieces and about 200 specialists), since the production plants for the production of "FAU" were in the American Despite this, we went "head to head" with them in rocketry, still maintaining parity, and even leaving them, not only due to old developments, but also new ones. At the same time, after the collapse of the USSR, We haven't done this for 20 years.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 February 2016 20: 21
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      In rocket science, the United States and the USSR started from the same line - the Fau 2. Only the Americans ...
      enriched in military supplies of WWII, and the Union lost 1 / 3 nat wealth, 1100 cities and villages, 26 462tys. able-bodied population of the country ... Did not have such a level of chemical and engineering industry as the States ...
      And so, of course ... "head to head"! That's just what it cost us!
      The first satellite is ours! The first man in space is ours! the first space automatic station on the moon is ours. The first unmanned space flight in automatic mode is ours!
      But about the stay of the Yankees on the moon - some doubts exist ...
      And so, of course, head to head ... until 91 ... And then, like after the war ... 20 years of timelessness, when everyone survived as best he could. And they didn’t eat us just because they were afraid of "hungry Russians" with a nuclear bomb! We tried to hire liberal Gauleiters to destroy the country from the inside ... But again a bummer happened ... the SVR ran into ... Putin confused all the cards! Therefore, today they are trying to hang all the dead cats and dogs from all their bins on him! And to breed us like shameful suckers! make you believe that crocodiles eat carrots!
  • KBR109
    KBR109 22 February 2016 14: 57
    +2
    Quote: gergi
    Rogozin turned into a simple talker. If at first he tried to do something, then now only in language. Or fed, or despaired of fighting with thieves.
    Recall the East. The third time already - a big strike. People are sitting without money. Both Rogozin and Putin have already dealt with this issue. Shoot there is not time yet? Yes . Ragozin turned into yap - CAN IT NOT WORK INSTRUMENTS FOR WORK in the form of the NKVD ???
    1. ty60
      ty60 22 February 2016 17: 55
      +1
      Maybe Rogozin in the NKVD?
  • pimen
    pimen 22 February 2016 15: 07
    +1
    so they didn’t sell us the Opel, and they’re trying not to sell anything we really need, but here we are ...
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 22 February 2016 15: 12
    +1
    "There is no corruption in the US and the EU because there is democracy" (title for this article) wassat
  • RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 22 February 2016 15: 55
    0
    US senator urged not to rush to abandon the Russian RD-180
    And why they do not like the proposed trampoline Rogozin, cheaper and more fun ...
  • 8140
    8140 22 February 2016 16: 25
    +6
    I looked here at the opinion of American politicians about us and turned, according to them, we are similar to the Papuans. The same naive and soft-bodied ones, we easily give up, on principle issues we are immediately ready to compromise (that is, Concessions), we easily give in to pressure ... And the most interesting, we explain to ourselves why we need to give in and sell ourselves. Sadly, we believe in words and promises, and do not insist on fixing the signature of agreements. Until now, perhaps this is connected with the Soviet past, they are naive and believe in good and light, and in all nonsense, that has nothing to do with the realities of relations between states and international politics.
    I really look forward to the fact that over time, most of our naive representatives of the state will retire and be replaced by realists and programmers.
    I'm tired of this vinaigrette in foreign policy. From inconsistency, naivety and spinelessness, about shyness to declare your own interests and fear of someone, worry and move. There is no complete system. There is no sharpness of reaction. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not use most of the information "gifts" and events about competitors and enemies for the realization of our interests.
    We lack a hawk component; it simply does not exist in our foreign policy.
    Therefore, ridiculous excuses and speculations about the sale of sensitive equipment to the states are born. A self-respecting state would not do this. Further sale of the RD-180 error.
    It’s sad that our fools have ridiculed the Americans so much that they’ll have enough for several years now. Every minute thirst for profit of individual effective managers leads to big problems in the future. We sponsor and promote the American space program, not only civilian, but also military. Fools!
  • HAM
    HAM 22 February 2016 16: 40
    12
    POSITIVE FOR THE HOLIDAY !!!!!!
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 February 2016 16: 42
    +5
    It is necessary to read (translate) the sentence to the end, because in the original it could look like this:
    The American senator urged not to rush to abandon the Russian RD-180, because after the start they fall off along with the first stage ... laughing

    In general, it is very interesting to offer a potential enemy to facilitate the task of putting satellites and other "useful" objects for us, the Russians, into orbit. It is true that a market place is never empty, just like the fact that there is another buyer for a good thing ...

    That way you can reach the all-Russian absurdity: on the one hand, sanction and be sanctioned, and on the other hand, take care of the health of the sanctioners. The United States is a source of instability throughout the world. His policy - divide and rule over time has undergone changes and modifications in the first action. After all, you can separate it by different methods: to pit kindred peoples, incite religious contradictions, conduct local military interventions, or simply declare them outcasts ...
    We have such an interesting partner. He’s been struggling with ISIS for some years now ... And he has pitted Europe with us ... In the Baltic states he got everyone with the prospect of Russian occupation ...

    Would such a partner be sent to ... a trampoline? laughing
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 February 2016 20: 33
      +1
      Quote: yuriy55
      We have such an interesting partner. He fights ISIS in a peculiar way

      Well, that’s in their order of things!
  • gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 22 February 2016 16: 44
    0
    The phrase "326 million for crustaceans" awakens in me the most vulgar associations, I draw some sort of pimping, a sauna, the "Fantasy" company, you can see everyone.
  • Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 22 February 2016 16: 46
    -1
    Quote: max702
    At least get involved! BUT I consider the sale of engines for mattress rockets Gos Treason!

    Why minus the idiot? It’s easier for him to instruct the pluses, pat on the head and give a little candy to calm down. When you drank a beer you throw away an unnecessary plastic bottle? Throw it away. So RD-180 for Russian rocket science is a high-tech plastic bottle. Only instead of throwing it away and launching another production - they sell it, opening new production at the expense of this contract. Treason - this is when the drawings of the T-14 were sold, and when the old stuff is drained - this is not treason.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 February 2016 18: 14
      +3
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      Treason - this is when the drawings of the T-14 sold, and when the old stuff is drained - this is not treason.


      When they sell "drawings" T-14 - this is called misinformation. And the real ones blueprints lie where necessary.
      For the uninitiated into the history of RD-180 sales, please let me know the details. In the warehouses, it appears, are these once released units, and so that the mole does not beat them and due to the lack of demand, we push them at a bargain price to the "all-knowing and do-it-yourself" Americans, right? wassat

      Weak comparison with a plastic bottle. Not relevant. Not having common points of contact with the situation ... There is more similar: an example with toilet paper. You, when out of need ... laughing
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 22 February 2016 20: 49
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        When they sell "blueprints" for the T-14, it is called disinformation. And the real drawings are where you need them.

        It’s good when they are pushing diso under the guise of intelligence.
        But it also happens:
        "On February 10, 2012, a senior test engineer at the Plesetsk cosmodrome, Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Vasilyevich Nesterets, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for espionage for the CIA."
        So the question is: what did this half-colonel lack? Or was he selling his homeland for ideological reasons "for love of the green" !? Or is his jackal "bitchy" like that?
  • Mestny
    Mestny 22 February 2016 16: 48
    -3
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    When the people will cease to feed the worthless government and the Fed branch represented by the Central Bank Nabiullina.

    Yes! The whole area! Down with!
    Look how good it is in Ukraine! Or there in Libya.
    Give us so!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 February 2016 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: Mestny
      Look how good it is in Ukraine! Or there in Libya.
      Give us so!
      I'm glad you enjoyed it!
      If you read my comments earlier, you might have noticed that all the time I stood for the removal of the neo-monitarians from the government bloc, who had raised the Harvard Economic School! am
      Note: I never suggested changing the President of the country, who is struggling with the fifth column, including in the government! good
      So, your proposal about "Give us the same thing" fool -- Not okay! Your shot at idle ... yes
  • Kanatbek
    Kanatbek 22 February 2016 16: 59
    +1
    Rejecting Russian engines would be a stupid decision for the United States - because then Russia would be able to launch more military satellites!
    And now they will buy up for dollar bills, which they now print on the printer countlessly (and which by the way is stored in American banks in Russia by 68 billion dollars)
    Hahahha
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 February 2016 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: Kanatbek
      Refusing Russian engines would be a stupid decision for the USA ...
      And now they will buy up for dollar bills, which they are now printing ...


      I will not hide, I liked the originality of thought good (+)
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 22 February 2016 20: 50
      0
      Quote: Kanatbek
      Rejecting Russian engines would be a stupid decision for the United States - because then Russia would be able to launch more military satellites!

      Well, yes, they will tie it to the engine with a rope and start it! fellow
  • Engineer engineer
    Engineer engineer 22 February 2016 17: 12
    +3
    I constantly hear that by selling engines to Americans, we supposedly slow down the process of developing similar products from "sworn friends". Something strongly I doubt it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 February 2016 17: 48
      +2
      Because this is complete nonsense - in the United States, everyone is interested in developing engines.
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 22 February 2016 18: 55
        -1
        Quote: Vadim237
        in the United States, everyone is interested in developing engines.

        Yeah, everyone is too lazy to develop engines and so you have to buy them from us))))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2016 21: 45
          +1
          Development is one thing, but we still need to build, test and put into series - money is needed not small.
  • behemot
    behemot 22 February 2016 17: 40
    +2
    Wow! it turns out that the old wreck helps us by selling our products, who would have thought! Or didn’t I understand anything from the article?
  • Tai
    Tai 22 February 2016 18: 07
    +1
    this is where there is scope for counter sanctions! right by .... we can hold them by the throat, but for some reason we don’t want to ... I wonder who benefits from this?
  • mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 22 February 2016 18: 28
    0
    but it’s interesting when we didn’t sell them engines they flew on a broomstick to the moon
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 February 2016 19: 05
      +3
      Their engine flew, but our NK 33 didn’t - for that, the thirty-third flew in the 90s and then to the USA.
  • Zlovred
    Zlovred 22 February 2016 18: 53
    +2
    Yes, it’s better they buy our engines — they won’t start making their own longer ... If something happens - we can freeze supplies, there would be a desire and will of the government ... hi
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 February 2016 19: 25
    0
    see WIKI:RD-180 is a closed-cycle liquid propellant rocket engine with afterburning of oxidizing generator gas after the turbine, equipped with two combustion chambers and two nozzles. Designed and manufactured by NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko. Fuel: fuel - kerosene, oxidizing agent - liquid oxygen. The cost of one engine as of 2010 year is $ 9 million
    V.P. Glushko. " Without words, the ACADEMICIAN - was able to academically (in a pose of cancer) make the states publicly exposed. No words, well, they can’t (yet) ...
    If we get up, it is possible - tomorrow ... there.
  • kam4atka
    kam4atka 22 February 2016 19: 34
    +1
    The "our" government understands perfectly well that the people will not go to the square or anywhere else, since the next thieves will surely take advantage of this. Therefore, it conducts an anti-popular policy, so to speak, they take advantage of the moment. But it's time for them to think, patience does not last forever. Something like this, IMHO.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 February 2016 19: 47
    +1
    Quote: kam4atka
    The "our" government understands perfectly well that the people will not go to the square or anywhere else, since the next thieves will surely take advantage of this. Therefore, it conducts an anti-popular policy, so to speak, they take advantage of the moment. But it's time for them to think, patience does not last forever. Something like this, IMHO.


    Poor service start, fighter. From this moment to the major (if the pace is enough), think with the brain, and this is not the same thing as they toss and turn.
  • Dryulea
    Dryulea 22 February 2016 20: 28
    +1
    Quote: Generalissimo
    What will they buy from China? Engines from the J-11?

    And will they fly far away?
  • 15 apr
    15 apr 22 February 2016 20: 38
    0
    In the sale of engines, amers are obviously interested in the very top, and therefore the corresponding media supply (like, they say, their money will support our dying space industry and so on ...).
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 February 2016 20: 44
    +1
    I’ll just ask one question to all, can anyone answer. How much gasoline, rent and salary in the Russian Federation have risen in the past ten years, and how much the cost of these same RD-180s has risen in price over the same ten years for the United States.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 February 2016 21: 47
      0
      Probably RD 180 is already worth more than a billion rubles.
    2. shamil
      shamil 22 February 2016 22: 12
      +1
      It is impossible not to notice that over 10 years the situation in the country and in the well-being of people have undergone great positive changes. We are on the right track, comrades!
  • Diviz
    Diviz 22 February 2016 21: 46
    0
    Ttugan they have with the engines. Our bureaucracy will soon fly to the moon a place already in Russia it is not enough.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 22 February 2016 22: 10
    0
    326 million on crustaceans
    For Americans, the crab contract seems to be more important than rocket engines. lol Well, the main thing is to devour ... fool
  • shamil
    shamil 22 February 2016 22: 26
    0
    For good reason, I think Russia is selling its engines to Amers. While we sell them and it is relatively cheap, it is difficult to decide to spend on many times more financing of new developments and the creation of the necessary industries. And then it turns out to be impossible - frames, they are not eternal. In my opinion, this is a long-term aid plan for the deindustrialization of states. They have been solving this problem since the 70s. Need to help! Check out the HEU-KNOW program. After 20 years of its operation, the United States has to recreate the uranium fuel industry.
  • shamil
    shamil 22 February 2016 22: 31
    -1
    Not everything is simple with manned deep space. Do not fly to the moon! Until the main task is solved - overcoming the radiation belts of the Earth, no flight of astronauts beyond 300 km is possible! And if you are not looking for a solution to the problem, then there is every reason to suspect a budget cut. NASA-staff, Roscosmos-Russian.