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The Strategic Missile Forces will soon begin training personnel for the Barguzin complex

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To date, the outline design of the Barguzin railway complex (BZHRK) has been completed and the design documentation for its entire system is being prepared, reports MIC With reference to the head of the military education department of the Strategic Missile Forces Vladimir Nesterov.


The Strategic Missile Forces will soon begin training personnel for the Barguzin complex


Training specialists for BZHRK will begin in the short term.

“The military education of the Strategic Missile Forces is ready to train specialists in the operation of these complexes. Nothing is lost. Everything will be done, ”said Nesterov on the radio station Ekho Moskvy.

“Within the framework of the State Armaments Program, work has been launched on the creation of the Barguzin BZHRK, which will not yield to its predecessor, BZHRK armed with Molodets missiles, and to exceed them in certain parameters,” the colonel explained.

“But this is the technical aspect of the question. And we, of course, as people who are engaged in military education, should think for the future. Naturally, we understand that we will need specialists for the operation of this rocket complex, and in the near future we plan to begin training specialists, ”Nesterov added.

Earlier it was reported that new railway. The complexes will go into service no earlier than 2018. The Strategic Missile Forces expect that they will remain in service at least until 2040.

Soviet BZHRK were decommissioned in 2005.
Photos used:
TASS, Alexander Babenko
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 21 February 2016 12: 45
    146
    Powerful little thing.

    - What is your profession?
    - A guide to the "Barguzin".
    - Fast?
    - Ballistic.
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 February 2016 12: 47
      42
      Quote: Thrall
      Powerful little thing.



      This is a nightmare for the USA and the whole West, do not touch us and we will not touch you.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 21 February 2016 12: 51
        95
        Barguzin is a headache for the next leaders of NATO countries. God save us from the second Tagged, a lover of disarm.
        1. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 21 February 2016 13: 10
          19
          Soviet BZHRK were decommissioned in 2005.
          I read somewhere that the Union developed air-based systems for ICBMs, based on transport aircraft. It looks like BZHRK, only flying. It’s also difficult to track how many civilian planes are in the sky? Maybe our MO will return to this topic!
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 21 February 2016 13: 22
            +7
            There was a system based on a heavy transport helicopter "MI". But this is only delivery to the launch areas - a kind of "Topol", only by air.
            1. elmi
              elmi 21 February 2016 18: 33
              +9
              Well, well, the staff decided to prepare a pre-correct solution. It’s not for nothing that folk wisdom says - Prepare a sled in the summer, and a cart in the winter
            2. BilliBoms09
              BilliBoms09 21 February 2016 22: 09
              +6
              There was a system based on a heavy transport helicopter "MI". But this is only delivery to the launch areas - a kind of "Topol", only by air.
              This is transportation, but they wanted to make an air launch system. The ICBM in the container is dropped at a height, and already in the air it starts where it should be. Something like the AKS MAX, but not from the fuselage, but from the inside.
              1. Raven1972
                Raven1972 21 February 2016 22: 59
                +4
                Quote: BilliBoms09
                This is transportation, but they wanted to make an air launch system. The ICBM in the container is dropped at a height, and already in the air it starts where it should be. Something like the AKS MAX, but not from the fuselage, but from the inside.

                Tongue removed laughing
                1. Mister22408
                  Mister22408 21 February 2016 23: 32
                  0
                  Mirrors will be sawed over ICBMs - dudes have solved the problem ...
            3. opus
              opus 22 February 2016 03: 10
              +5
              Quote: dmi.pris
              I read somewhere that the Union developed air-based systems for ICBMs,


              Quote: dmi.pris
              There was a system based on the MI heavy transport helicopter.

              BRVZ.
              In 1958 year Lockheed Georgia, an American company, began developing a nuclear power plant. This aircraft was considered as a flying platform for launching long-range ballistic missiles. However, this program was not successful and was closed.

              In the same year, the US Air Force signed contracts for the development of experimental ballistic missiles of the air-to-ground class Bold Orion and High Virgo. The flight range of the Bold Orion rocket was 1770, and High Virgo - 300 km. Tests were conducted in 1958-1959: the Bold Orion was launched with the B-47 Stratojet, and High Virgo with the B-58 Hustler supersonic bomber. Bold Orion was not only the first long-range ballistic missile launched from an airplane, but also the first missile to demonstrate the fundamental possibility of intercepting a satellite. October 13, 1959 she was launched from a B-47 bomber on the American satellite Explorer-VI and flew 6 km from it.

              Forty years ago in October 1974, in the United States, the Minitman-5 ICBM was launched experimentally from the S-1A military transport aircraft. It was the first ever launch of a rocket of this class from an airplane.



              ------------------
              In the 1970-1980s in the USSR An intercontinental aviation missile system (“MARK”) was developed on the basis of sea-based ICBMs and the An-22 and An-124 military transport aircraft. Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering and Design Bureau OK Antonov showed the possibility of placing one R-22R missile on the An-29, and two or three on the An-124 plane. The R-29R missile was adopted by the Navy in 1977, had a starting weight of 35,3 tons and was equipped with a divided warhead with three individual guidance units. In the future, a transition to a more powerful R-29RM with a starting weight of 40,3 tons and four warheads was possible.




              In response, the United States issued the MC-747 Project Carrier (four missiles weighing 45,4 tons or eight small-sized ICBMs of 22,7 tons each.)

          2. starper
            starper 21 February 2016 13: 43
            -77 qualifying.
            Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 21 February 2016 13: 51
              21
              Quote: starper
              Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.

              "Actually, the states easily keep track of ALL of our 'strategists', even those undergoing modernization." - only those that are declared: at stationary points, in repair ...
              Those who are on combat patrol - no!

              "I'm afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space." - turn on the logic!
              To track what is moving, you need at least 15minute scanning of the same given areas. How many satellites in orbit, suitably oriented, are required for this? Uevatucha! Can someone in the world run and maintain them regularly?
              1. andj61
                andj61 21 February 2016 14: 42
                22
                Quote: Rus2012
                "I'm afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space." - turn on the logic!
                To track what is moving, you need at least 15minute scanning of the same given areas. How many satellites in orbit, suitably oriented, are required for this? Uevatucha! Can someone in the world run and maintain them regularly?

                Everything is right! Tracking the BZHRK is extremely difficult, not even because of the need for a large satellite constellation. railroad the composition is practically no different from the usual railway. composition. Particularly similar to the mail and luggage train. Not knowing what is inside - you can’t tell anything! It was noticeable nearby that the composition was very heavy - and nothing more. The United States was able to track the previous version of the BZHRK - 15P961 Molodets - only in the last years of its operation, and even then (in the 90s they didn’t hide anything from the Americans), as they knew its composition:
                - Three three-car launch modules with ICBMs RT-23UTTKH;
                - command module consisting of 7 cars;
                - tank car with reserves of fuels and lubricants;
                - two locomotives DM-62.
                17 cars with two diesel locomotives - this is what they tracked - otherwise - nothing!
                1. PKK
                  PKK 21 February 2016 17: 09
                  -24 qualifying.
                  In the early 90s, Americans opened the Pioneer Regions in 6 days. In Yugoslavia, when the unit stopped for a halt, it flew there in an hour and a half. The detection time decreases with time. Apparently, the train will have to hook not one, but two tanks with a solarium.
                  1. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 21 February 2016 18: 34
                    19
                    Quote: PKK
                    At the beginning of the 90x, Americans opened the Pioneer Regions in 6 days.

                    ... where is the data from? laughing

                    In essence, the Jankers did not care about either the Pioneers or where they were aimed. They spat on a Europop from a high bell tower.

                    They were interested in something completely different ...
                    Namely, where is that "ghost division" with 15zh642 mobile ICBMs. They had been fishing for 10 years, but they never found it until the tagged one sold that division of the Strategic Missile Forces with losses ...
                    1. PKK
                      PKK 21 February 2016 20: 12
                      -3
                      About 6 days sufficient to detect the Pioneer division, I was told by a senior staff officer in a conversation in the early 90s. They brought information about enemy intelligence. Mostly by satellites. The rest were of little interest to us. For what I bought, I give it back. inadequate, letters read, but do not understand what is written.
                      1. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 21 February 2016 21: 12
                        12
                        Quote: PKK
                        About 6 days sufficient to detect the Pioneer division, I was told by a senior staff officer in a conversation at the beginning of the 90s.


                        Pioneers, as you know, were in service until 1989goda.
                        12 May 1991 g. - the last RSD-10 / SS-20 missile withdrawn from service was destroyed.
                        Therefore, there is no special price in the data of this comrade.

                        On the contrary, my colleagues "pioneer leaders" claim that their "unnoticed" was watched from both the "upper eye" (SC) and from the "lower" one (aerial reconnaissance, by the way, is more effective). And if it was opened, then the database was counted as "failed" for all the consequences (titles, positions, etc. ...).
                    2. andj61
                      andj61 22 February 2016 07: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: Rus2012
                      Quote: PKK
                      At the beginning of the 90x, Americans opened the Pioneer Regions in 6 days.
                      ... where is the data from?

                      In essence, the Jankers did not care about either the Pioneers or where they were aimed. They spat on a Europop from a high bell tower.

                      If we take into account that by the 90s the Pioneers had already been completely cut ...
                  2. Raven1972
                    Raven1972 21 February 2016 23: 02
                    +9
                    Quote: PKK
                    In the early 90s, Americans opened the Pioneer Regions in 6 days

                    In the early 90s, the Pioneers were no longer (((((They had already been cut by this time thanks to the labeled bastards ((((
                  3. viktor1979
                    viktor1979 22 February 2016 01: 09
                    +4
                    in fact, such a composition always goes under the cover of a freight train, i.e. Out of 68 wagons, except for the BZHRK, the rest is a commodity.
                2. sgazeev
                  sgazeev 21 February 2016 18: 10
                  +8
                  Quote: andj61
                  17 cars with two diesel locomotives - this is what they tracked - otherwise - nothing!

                  Now the thrust is in one locomotive, plus containers, if arranged.
                3. quote
                  quote 21 February 2016 18: 38
                  28
                  Quote: andj61
                  two locomotives DM-62.

                  Actually there is no such a locomotive. There are M-62 and 2M62.
                  And it was not possible to track it !!! Even knowing the composition.
                  he only moved at night. And in the afternoon he stood divorced or covered by a group of REFRIGERATORS cars! And he was a hundred pounds under the refrigerator and not the postal baggage (what is this composition?).
                  And all stations were equipped with referees.
                  It was possible to track the movement of this train only with the help of sensors installed on the tracks.
                  I don’t announce what principle the sensor works on. Sleep well, let the Americans sleep poorly. No wonder they were only five trains brought to delirium tremens.
                  1. Felix
                    Felix 22 February 2016 09: 11
                    +5
                    Quote: devis
                    using sensors installed on the tracks.

                    SAI PS or what? And what is so secret about them?
                    It is much easier to track any mobile unit with the help of the URAL GID software package used by Russian Railways.
                    And no expensive satellites are needed, just one hard worker bought with access there is enough.
                  2. tol100v
                    tol100v 22 February 2016 20: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: devis
                    . No wonder they were only five trains brought to delirium tremens.

                    We can safely hope that the "Barguzin" being created will in many ways surpass its predecessor in all respects! After all, we must not forget that we are living in a different era of technology. And his disguise and protection will be excellent. And taking into account the development of domestic systems "electronic warfare", he simply may become "invisible"!
                4. ty60
                  ty60 22 February 2016 21: 05
                  +1
                  The missile did not fit in one standard carriage. Plus, double pads of wheeled pairs-weight!
              2. starper
                starper 21 February 2016 14: 52
                -35 qualifying.
                In the 60 shaggy year, the Americans for the sole broadcast of the performance of our gymnast, in my opinion Olga Korbut, launched a satellite. Have questions?
                1. serezhasoldatow
                  serezhasoldatow 21 February 2016 15: 29
                  -5
                  They not only "launched" satellites!
                2. andj61
                  andj61 21 February 2016 15: 55
                  27
                  Quote: starper
                  In the 60 shaggy year, the Americans for the sole broadcast of the performance of our gymnast, in my opinion Olga Korbut, launched a satellite. Have questions?

                  Hardly in the 60s .. stop For the first time, she became the champion of the Union and the world in 1970, and became famous only in 1972, after performing at the Olympics in Munich.
                  Olga Korbut had a triumphant tour in the USA after Munich. Next of the major competitions there was only the World Cup in Varna in 1974 and the Olympics in Montreal. And in which case the satellite was launched? what
                  1. starper
                    starper 21 February 2016 16: 19
                    -12 qualifying.
                    Maybe I have my own memory and not Google, which by the way I really do not know how to use :-). But the fact that the states launched the satellite for the sake of one broadcast is a fact, either the Soviet TV lied, but it was as if he couldn’t praise the states with his hands.
                    1. Serg koma
                      Serg koma 23 February 2016 09: 38
                      +4
                      Quote: starper
                      I have my own memory and not Google

                      From "memory" and launched? laughing If your so-called. memory "cooler" Google is Ds.
                3. Proud.
                  Proud. 21 February 2016 19: 04
                  26
                  Quote: starper
                  In the 60 shaggy year, the Americans for the sole broadcast of the performance of our gymnast, in my opinion Olga Korbut, launched a satellite. Have questions?

                  Admire Olga Korbut's "loop" without a special satellite. Munich 1972.
                  1. Alex20042004
                    Alex20042004 22 February 2016 16: 24
                    +3
                    CLASS !!!!!
                  2. goblin xnumx
                    goblin xnumx 24 February 2016 12: 28
                    0
                    affinity :)
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              4. Simple
                Simple 21 February 2016 15: 44
                -3
                "No"!
                ?
                Read the contract!
                Both we and the Americans are notifying each other.
                Database zones are reduced, and everyone knows.

                "15 minutes"?

                Why not 20, or 7?
                1. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 21 February 2016 16: 01
                  14
                  Quote: Just
                  Read the contract!
                  Both we and the Americans are notifying each other.
                  Database zones are reduced, and everyone knows.

                  ... what are we notifying?
                  then how many carriers and warheads are in service.
                  Where are located at stationary bases, warehouses (deployed-non-deployed).
                  The agreed number of inspections for stationary objects is permitted.

                  Mobile patrol areas - not controlled, not reported and not announced. The area of ​​combat patrol areas, on the contrary, was expanded under the latest agreement by more than 10 times. In peacetime, up to 30% of manpower and resources can be in combat patrols.

                  In the "special period" - the contract is sent to the toilet as gum for a known application ..

                  More deletant questions E?
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                      1. jPilot
                        jPilot 21 February 2016 20: 39
                        +3
                        Class !!! good it couldn't be better. Such "experts" enrage me too
                      2. cap
                        cap 22 February 2016 00: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        Quote: Just
                        questions for a boastful sucker.


                        So! people in the letter em, for the word you need to answer:
                        at least you are talking with a Strategic Missile Forces veteran and his colleagues.
                        Some are still in service ...
                        So what, sofa -Desper know your place and do not poke here where and what we know and discuss!

                        Quote: jPilot
                        Class !!! good it couldn't be better. Such "experts" enrage me too


                        Everything that was promptly signed, agreed and cut by the "first and only" was a real threat to ALL potential "FRIENDS". It is not worth wasting time and nerve cells proving the fact "flat" or "round".
                        The experiment is available to everyone, your cat will keep silent if you step on her tail.
                        It will become a good obscene language if the cat is speckled.

                        Veteran of the Strategic Rocket Forces. hi
                        To all who support the idea of ​​rebirth. +
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            2. Persistent
              Persistent 22 February 2016 08: 28
              +1
              "I'm afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. "- turn on the logic!

              If they stick a beacon to the car they will track !!! But this is problematic for the adversaries for many reasons.
          3. Foresterer
            Foresterer 21 February 2016 15: 06
            +9
            And how many tunnels in Russia, depot? And do not count! Like Brazil Donov Pedro. Satellites do not stock up.
            1. Bort radist
              Bort radist 21 February 2016 15: 53
              +4
              Quote: Foresterer
              And how many tunnels in Russia, depot? And do not count! Like Brazil Donov Pedro. Satellites do not stock up.

              At the station, smoke was released, four trains were driven under a veil, I twisted and twisted, I want to deceive everyone, we left. Guess the first time. Have to spend energy and money on control ....
              1. Persistent
                Persistent 22 February 2016 08: 57
                +1
                At the station, smoke was released, four trains were driven under a veil, I twisted and twisted, I want to deceive everyone, we left. Guess the first time. Have to spend energy and money on control ....

                In the series "Officers 2" There is an episode where the children were given a training task to "liquidate" the BZHRK. The characteristics by which such a train is determined are given.
                Some of them :
                Reinforced turnouts, wagon trolleys, diesel traction and isolated parking during daylight hours.
                I hope the new train will be easier and according to these signs, the FIGs will already find the route !!!!
            2. PKK
              PKK 21 February 2016 17: 15
              +5
              Do not forget about the spies and our notorious 5th convoy. In order to transmit information about the train, it’s enough to go online. And there are people who want to sell the homeland for dollars.
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 21 February 2016 18: 52
                +3
                Quote: PKK
                To transmit information about the train, just go online.

                ... interestingly dancing stuff! laughing
                Now you have the Internet, what can you transmit to them? What kind of train went weird under your windows? For God's sake!
                In the same way, a traveler in the evening can inform the household about what he saw over tea. And the daughter-crackle scribble the State Department.
                The more such messages, the more false information!
                Meanwhile, runet monitors will quickly cure informers ...
                1. ver_
                  ver_ 22 February 2016 06: 34
                  +1
                  .. you can constantly "litter" with false messages the Internet and other sources of information, run "rubber bands" instead of the original - go figure out who is who ..
              2. Bort radist
                Bort radist 21 February 2016 19: 08
                10
                Quote: PKK
                just go online.

                We recently knocked on a door to one young man, opened his page - the swastika, ......., explained, put it on record for half a year. I thought he was the most cunning and not perceptible. No gadgets helped.
          4. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 21 February 2016 15: 28
            -9
            Then why destroy them? We follow everyone all the time and at a certain moment we destroy. Really, why are they needed?
            1. Alf
              Alf 21 February 2016 19: 56
              +5
              Quote: serezhasoldatow
              Then why destroy them?

              And who destroyed them? Tagged companions. Then the army was lowered below the baseboard.
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            1. starper
              starper 21 February 2016 16: 09
              -2
              Sorry, when we demand from the states satellite images of the area where the Korean plane was shot down, do we assume that the states knew about it and tracked this square in advance? Or do they really control all the territories that interest them? PS. Finally, I got the answer to the question that tormented me ... In general, for a long time :-) with what sign is written for, etc. d :-)
              1. Bort radist
                Bort radist 21 February 2016 19: 12
                +2
                Quote: starper
                Finally I got the answer to the question that tormented me ...

                + for optimism ;-D
              2. jPilot
                jPilot 21 February 2016 20: 38
                10
                We demand satellite images for the simple reason that the Korean plane was shot down, so to speak - IN THE AREA OF PARTICULAR ATTENTION, and this provocation was planned by them.
                How do you imagine monitoring our entire territory, and looking for a mobile complex. This is worse than looking for a needle in a haystack.
                1. tol100v
                  tol100v 22 February 2016 20: 29
                  +3
                  Quote: jPilot
                  How do you imagine monitoring our entire territory, and looking for a mobile complex. This is worse than looking for a needle in a haystack.

                  And with competent counterintelligence work and metered discharge, desa will be searched for a long, long time! And if they do, it’s already on their territory!
              3. Raven1972
                Raven1972 21 February 2016 23: 16
                +4
                Quote: starper
                Sorry, when we demand from the states satellite images of the area where the Korean plane was shot down, do we assume that the states knew about it and tracked this square in advance?

                Yes, that’s exactly how it was, there it was adjusted in time so that at the time of the incident their reconnaissance satellite Ferret-D was just over the area, i.e. the entire Boeing operation was accurately calculated and developed hi
              4. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 22 February 2016 11: 03
                +3
                Quote: starper
                when we demand from the states satellite images of the area where the Korean plane was shot down, do we assume that the states knew about it and tracked this square in advance? Or do they really control all the territories that interest them?

                Species and RTR satellites are always hung over the areas of database maintenance, which are crisis critical and especially interesting from a military-political point of view. In two ways: target launch, or reorientation of the satellites available there. Further, depending on the degree of importance of the information and the tension of the situation, they are given a tracking program. In especially dangerous (important) areas, it is done so that, following one after the other, in this area there will always be at least one satellite.
                I think that the staff has all the necessary information. They do not show because they merge Parasha and K *. If this were the work of the DPR, the pictures would have long been on the front pages of all Western tabloids. yes
              5. Serg koma
                Serg koma 23 February 2016 09: 59
                +2
                Quote: starper
                Sorry when we require satellite imagery from the states. where was the korean plane shot down, what do we assume that the states knew about it and tracked this square in advance? Or do they really control all the territories that interest them?

                Quote: starper
                Maybe I have my own memory and not Google, which by the way I really do not know how to use :-).

                Urgent (it would be nice if yesterday) study ... If such problems with Google, use Yandex!
                Are you "talking" about flight KE007 here? And when / where do we demand satellite imagery from the states ??? If you "talk" about flight MH17 in Ukraine, then LEARN am
                Malaysia and Korea are DIFFERENT countries laughing
          6. starper
            starper 21 February 2016 15: 52
            -2
            Hey hey cho attacked, I trusted the information from an unverified source as they say although authoritative for me, I even wrote IMHO :-) and here I almost tore to shreds, and after all only two argued and the rest .... I’m coming from you, angry you :-)
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 22 February 2016 11: 11
              +5
              Quote: starper
              I’m coming from you, you are evil:

              You think that all members of the forum, in a single impulse, after reading this message, will tighten the romance "Do not leave, stay with me ..."
              Well, well ... Be more modest, like your infa on the site, then maybe "still will be". smile
              1. starper
                starper 23 February 2016 01: 46
                -2
                And with a sense of humor, strained? The fact that they stuck my nose did me a good job, the next time I will be more responsible in approaching the source of information, and on the account of modesty, this is my innate :-)
            2. Serg koma
              Serg koma 23 February 2016 10: 07
              +1
              Quote: starper
              I'm coming from you, you are angry :-)

              Only "lessons" do not skip laughing
          7. starper
            starper 21 February 2016 16: 25
            -2
            In a heap! :-) in full, well, nothing, for one broken ..... :-)
            1. Serg koma
              Serg koma 23 February 2016 10: 19
              +1
              Quote: starper
              In a heap! :-) in full, well, nothing, for one broken ..... :-)

              Criticism and self-criticism are the driving force behind the development of a socialist society. (Historical materialism. 1950) wink
              "Well, and we want to move forward. And precisely because we want to move forward, we must set honest and revolutionary self-criticism as one of our most important tasks. Without this there is no forward movement. Without this there is no development." , Works, v. 10, p. 331.) good
          8. Homo
            Homo 21 February 2016 17: 16
            +5
            Quote: starper
            Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.

            And the number of flowers on the underpants of the US Chief Designer is not being tracked? wink
          9. APASUS
            APASUS 21 February 2016 19: 06
            +7
            Quote: starper
            Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.

            Strange as it may seem, the entire super constellation of satellites, modern UAVs, airspace control systems and suddenly BAM!
            A direct hit in the Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Afghanistan, something worked in orbit, the goals do not match, or a program malfunction, but the hospital is still!
            1. starper
              starper 22 February 2016 02: 44
              -10 qualifying.
              In, he was honored, apasus himself, drew attention :-). A friend of mine in the late 80s served as the guard of these very BZHRK, what exactly was the name of their unit, I don’t remember, but in conversations over a glass of tea he told me that according to their elder, already at that time, the states were tracking these compounds so for what I bought ....
              1. viktorR
                viktorR 22 February 2016 14: 41
                +4
                How many acquaintances do you have ... and they all tell you everything ...
                Did you lie for an hour? Comrade ...
                1. starper
                  starper 23 February 2016 01: 54
                  -2
                  Yes, the circle of acquaintances, I’m quite extensive, I have friends in Ukraine, but I’ve lied about it, every lie has a purpose, isn’t it? Well, what purpose did you pursue in your self? Think about what you write, especially when it’s not about hardware but about people.
                  1. Serg koma
                    Serg koma 23 February 2016 10: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: starper
                    and at the expense of lyingevery lie has a purpose, is not it?

                    So name your goal!
                2. Serg koma
                  Serg koma 23 February 2016 10: 26
                  0
                  Quote: viktorR
                  Did you lie for an hour? Comrade ..

                  Or maybe this Comrade is not a Comrade to us at all? Whose mill pours water (drains laughing ) comrade? And in previous years ???
                  1. starper
                    starper 23 February 2016 12: 15
                    -1
                    Something here smelled of carrion, is it not about you?
                  2. viktorR
                    viktorR April 11 2016 12: 40
                    0
                    Looks like a friend left)))
              2. tol100v
                tol100v 22 February 2016 20: 38
                0
                Quote: starper
                x for a glass of tea he told me

                Probably the "tea" was of poor quality, and even in large quantities!
              3. ty60
                ty60 22 February 2016 21: 32
                0
                I was told at a restaurant yesterday evening with humor and etiquette - that, they say, vodka goes sour, caviar is exhausted .. And they have a rocket scientist at the table ...
                1. starper
                  starper 23 February 2016 01: 58
                  -2
                  It wasn’t a matter of the restaurant, and not a scientist, but my good acquaintances, whom I have no reason not to trust, and to check such information is now not easy and then .... And why? Mnezh is not on the white house report :-)
          10. jPilot
            jPilot 21 February 2016 20: 24
            +3
            That’s why they freaked out when Misha "tagged" revealed our "little" secret, and made an effort to get the EBN drunk to joke them, and then completely cut them. True, there were people who did not allow it to be done. But ekranoplanes were less fortunate.
            Do not overestimate the Americans, they are not so wise.
          11. gergi
            gergi 21 February 2016 20: 26
            +1
            So what, what conclusion? Do not build anything, paws to the top? Do not wait!
          12. meriem1
            meriem1 22 February 2016 12: 54
            0
            Quote: starper
            Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.

            Accepted by whom ??? Are you taking ??????
            1. starper
              starper 23 February 2016 02: 20
              -2
              I re-read the last phrase and the most ridiculous was :-). I wanted to write. IMHO, as it is now accepted. Well, it happens, I'm just learning :-)
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 21 February 2016 13: 44
          0
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          I read somewhere that the Union developed air-based systems for ICBMs, based on transport aircraft. It looks like BZHRK, only flying. It’s also difficult to track how many civilian planes are in the sky? Maybe our MO will return to this topic!

          "Maybe our MO will return to this topic!" - while the START limitation treaty is in effect - it will not return, as well as to ships, carriers of ICBMs. It is mutually prohibited.

          Quote: dmi.pris
          There was a system based on a heavy transport helicopter "MI". But this is only delivery to the launch areas - a kind of "Topol", only by air.

          Was ...
          And it remains. Those. everywhere in TK there is a clause on transportation of different types.
          BUT...
          Due to the safety and high cost of this type of equipment for risks - this type of transportation is not used.
        3. mirag2
          mirag2 21 February 2016 13: 49
          0
          the Union developed air-based systems for ICBMs, based on transport aircraft. It looks like BZHRK, only flying. It’s also difficult to track how many civilian planes are in the sky
          - Well, air-based is difficult, but like those missiles that in containers, I think it’s better. Because the containers are a cloud ...
        4. Axon
          Axon 22 February 2016 19: 51
          0
          shhhhhhh ...
        5. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 22 February 2016 21: 08
          0
          An air launch system was developed from Ruslan, but showed that it was proposed to launch commercial spacecraft. There, it seems like a rocket was pulled out of an airplane with a parachute, then (thanks to the same parachute) it was oriented downward by the engines and the engine started.
          Here is the link: http://makeyev.ru/rocspace/nwcoscmp/
          Here is an article on our website: http://topwar.ru/32976-rossiya-rabotaet-nad-sozdaniem-vozdushnogo-starta.html
        6. Kunar
          Kunar 23 February 2016 05: 22
          +3
          And "strategists" little chtoli))))) Happy holiday, dear klabgennossos, separatists, quilted jackets and agents of the Kremlin)))) I wish you all the best. And most importantly, our country of peace and prosperity!
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 21 February 2016 13: 17
        +2
        Here it is .. What does Echo Puk have to do with Russian weapons ... Even forget to ask ..
      3. avg
        avg 21 February 2016 13: 40
        +3
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Barguzin is a headache for the next leaders of NATO countries.

        It is also a "headache remedy" for us. yes
        PS
        But Colonel Nesterov should have carefully chosen the media for his interviews.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 21 February 2016 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: avg
          But Colonel Nesterov should have carefully chosen the media for his interviews.
          "War Council" broadcast ABSOLUTELY outside of politics. The invited guests perfectly understand what and how you can speak. The oath and admissions have not been canceled. And the presenter there is not from the journalist kagal, but a p / n to the FSB in reserve (a veteran of "Vympel"). I see. Generals and admirals come to "Echo" to tell how our native army lives and how large-scale is developing. And if they debunk myths and stereotypes (that "everything is gone !!!") among liberal-minded radio listeners, then I see in this the nobility of their mission and great benefit for our Fatherland.
          1. avg
            avg 21 February 2016 19: 24
            +3
            Now, if they hadn't come there, you look, and "Echo" would have died faster.
          2. ty60
            ty60 22 February 2016 21: 34
            +2
            including patriotic upbringing has not been canceled
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 February 2016 14: 03
        +8
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Barguzin is a headache for the next leaders of NATO countries. God save us from the second Tagged, a lover of disarm.

        Tagged and EBN divided the country. "Execution" of the Swans, destruction of "Oka", removal of BZHRK ... and much more, for which they burn in hell.
        Barguzins are one of the ways to return the country to its former power. It is interesting what kind of rocket will still be on the BZHRK, Rubezh or Yars ...
      5. gergi
        gergi 21 February 2016 20: 24
        +4
        Lenin carried out electrification, Stalin conducted industrialization, Gorbachev conducted humpbacking. Let him die!
      6. PSih2097
        PSih2097 21 February 2016 21: 38
        +3
        Quote: oleg-gr
        God save us from the second Tagged, a lover of disarm.

        Soviet BZHRK were decommissioned in 2005.

        Who was in power ???
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 February 2016 11: 47
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          Who was in power ???
          What's the foul problem !? Or do you seriously believe that international treaties of this level and significance can be easily ... not implemented? The Americans, cunning beasts, did everything so that we did not shirk from fulfilling this betrayal of the vital interests of the state: they gave money, fitted equipment, assigned observers (they offered to send their specialists for "cutting" if we didn’t have enough of them). Well, after all this, how can you avoid fulfilling the treaty that has come into force? And why are you trying to hang this jamb of "Marked" / Ebey on VVP? - I personally do not understand.
          Quote: Platonitch
          Oh, well said, thanks !!
          Do not be like the character of the famous cartoon about Mowgli!
      7. Platonich
        Platonich 22 February 2016 05: 10
        -1
        Oh, well said, thanks !!
      8. ver_
        ver_ 22 February 2016 06: 20
        +2
        ... God forbid from drunk and liberals in power ..
      9. Vasyata
        Vasyata 22 February 2016 13: 25
        +1
        What kind of Swordsman are you talking about ??? In which year did your tagged rules? Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia: ... Despite Russia's withdrawal from START-2 in 2002, all trains and launchers were disposed of during 2003-2007 ... Who was in power during this period?
        1. ty60
          ty60 22 February 2016 21: 37
          +1
          By the way, who presided, huh?
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    3. Proxima
      Proxima 21 February 2016 12: 52
      10
      Quote: cniza



      This is a nightmare for the USA and the whole West, do not touch us and we will not touch you.

      Why did Ekho Moskvy suddenly show interest in our ICBMs? They cannot cope with propaganda activities, so you decided to retrain them into elementary espionage?
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 February 2016 12: 59
        +7
        They are trying to make us a world "monster", to convince that we are barbarians and a threat to the whole world, but it will turn out the other way around.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 21 February 2016 13: 11
          +8
          Like, in the west, peaceful people ride trains, and in Russia - intercontinental ballistic missiles, and people in bast shoes ride nearby on carts drawn by a bear and drink vodka, singing ditties to the balalaika laughing
          1. Raven1972
            Raven1972 21 February 2016 23: 25
            +5
            Quote: Thrall
            Like, in the west, peaceful people ride trains, and in Russia - intercontinental ballistic missiles, and people in bast shoes ride nearby on carts drawn by a bear and drink vodka, singing ditties to the balalaika

            But we have a nuclear reactor in every house, and a tank in the garage tongue bully drinks
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      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 21 February 2016 13: 52
        +2
        Quote: Proxima
        Why is this "Echo of Moscow"

        To loot them unfastened and more. Actually, this is called undercover spies. Under the julnalyuh, they mow. And touch them there is no reason.
      4. ty60
        ty60 22 February 2016 21: 39
        +1
        Echo of a bunch of Moscow from Washington
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 21 February 2016 13: 03
      +3
      Alarmingly, reports that the Ministry of Finance will cut funding for the construction of "Barguzin", here it would be to cut Silan's appetites for sequestration.
      1. forester
        forester 21 February 2016 13: 36
        +4
        Quote: Giant thought
        Alarmingly, reports that the Ministry of Finance will cut funding for the construction of "Barguzin", here it would be to cut Silan's appetites for sequestration.

        Bashka needs to be sequestered by Siluanov and the rest of all nabiulin ulyukaev and others like them
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 23 February 2016 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The Ministry of Finance will just cut financing for the construction of the Barguzin, and this is where it would cut Siluan's appetites for sequestration.

        And sequestered NANO (not nano) TECHNOLOGIES, and what is lower than the navel of the red-headed reform associate !!!
    5. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 21 February 2016 13: 39
      +4
      work on the creation of the Barguzin BZHRK, which will not be inferior in characteristics to its predecessor - the BZHRK, armed with Molodets missiles, and in some parameters - even surpass it

      Soviet BZHRK "Molodets" with three ballistic missiles RS-22 (Scalpel according to NATO classification). It is assumed that "Barguzin" will carry six ICBM RS-24 "Yars". For thrust will be used one locomotive instead of three at the "Well done".

      http://rg.ru/2016/02/20/raketny-poezd.html
      1. quote
        quote 21 February 2016 19: 12
        -1
        Quote: Voha_krim
        It is assumed that the "Barguzin" will carry six ICBMs RS-24 "Yars"

        Six rockets developed bybased on the RS-24 Yars rocket. Yars has a length of 23 meters from the main head! And the length of the car from the hitch to the hitch is 22 meters. Where will you pack Yars?
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 21 February 2016 21: 29
          0
          Probably an extra meter in an adjacent car
        2. Proud.
          Proud. 22 February 2016 10: 44
          +1
          Quote: devis
          Six missiles developed on the basis of the RS-24 Yars missile. Yars has a length of 23 meters from the main head! And the length of the car from the hitch to the hitch is 22 meters. Where will you pack Yars?

          The products of the Molodets complex also did not fit into the car. Therefore, the bow fairing of the product was made folding.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 February 2016 12: 41
          +4
          Quote: devis
          Yars has a length of 23 meters with a warmer! And the length of the car is from the hitch to the hitch of 22 meters. Where do you pack Yars?

          Two remarks:
          1. Without combat equipment, Yars length = 17,0m. You can make another head part, not 5, but 3 meters.
          2. And "why forgot about the Frontier"? The R-26 has the entire length of 18,0 m (according to import data), and 15,0-15,5 m - according to our estimates.
          And all this taking into account TPK. But, if necessary, TPK can be given the appearance of a refrigerator car and, in this form, mounted on a railway platform (a pair of wheels will be attached to it - and go!)
          So, "based on Yars" does not mean that Freight One Yars will be shoved into a refrigerator. Most likely, they meant components and new solutions to accomplish the task.
      2. cedar
        cedar 22 February 2016 17: 15
        +5
        Twice I saw, once at the station during the day, once on the stage at night. Both times there were TWO diesel locomotives!
        Question. What if not three diesel locomotives mean not BZHRK "Molodets"?
        And there were three "refsections" each time. It means all the same "Well done".
        Tracking sensors were located in the necks of stations at the entrance and exit. Five years later, the "hunters" began to shoot them, after another five not a single whole remained (or maybe these are Americans from satellites under the SDI program ..?)
        The train dispatchers had a headache from these letters, they had their own schedule, which was required to be strictly observed, often to the detriment of the schedule of the remaining trains on this section!
        The travelers also strained, the route required reinforcement and increased control over the entire route because of the large weight loads.
        Let's hope that the creators of the Barguzin BZHRK will be able to bypass these sharp corners and finally get a complex capable of cooling hot guys from the Wild West for a long time.
    6. Kunar
      Kunar 23 February 2016 05: 25
      +2
      There is no speech! The thing you need on the farm!
  2. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 21 February 2016 12: 49
    0
    Definitely a harsh thing! let the mattresses break their heads again ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 53
      +2
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Definitely a harsh thing! let the mattresses break their heads again ...

      why only mattresses? we have an extensive railway network, in all regions, let it all scratch ...
  3. Prager
    Prager 21 February 2016 12: 50
    +2
    Ballistic-solid fuel! soldier
  4. 79807420129
    79807420129 21 February 2016 12: 51
    11
    Quote: Thrall
    Powerful little thing.

    A powerful and reliable sedative pill was for mattresses and the NATO gang, it only confuses the name of the radio station that was given the interview.
    1. cap
      cap 22 February 2016 00: 40
      +1
      Quote: 79807420129
      Quote: Thrall
      Powerful little thing.

      A powerful and reliable sedative pill was for mattresses and the NATO gang, it only confuses the name of the radio station that was given the interview.


      What can't you do for the sake of the fallen "rating", "Sialex" does not help laughing
  5. olegfbi
    olegfbi 21 February 2016 12: 52
    +6
    It is a pity that in due time "Well done" was cut ...
    If it had been in service now, the Barguzin could have been made without haste, much more thoughtfully!

    And so, the news is VERY good!
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    2. bulvas
      bulvas 21 February 2016 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: olegfbi
      It is a pity that in due time "Well done" was cut ...
      If it had been in service now, the Barguzin could have been made without haste, much more thoughtfully!

      And so, the news is VERY good!


      The hope that there will be no more such nonsense in Russia is to create, then to cut.

      Already probably the most pro-Westerners (not traitors like Kasyanov) understand that Russia cannot be disarmed

    3. Malachite
      Malachite 21 February 2016 12: 56
      +7
      Russian cunning inventions ..Life with us is this!
      Containers are still floating in the sea, the ocean ...
    4. udincev
      udincev 21 February 2016 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: olegfbi
      It is a pity that in due time "Well done" was cut ...

      A reason to remember the "kind word" of the guardians to cut. Guardians not only cut expensive weapons, but also tear the country to the delight of all the quakly.
      Gorbachev in court, hands off Putin!
      1. ver_
        ver_ 22 February 2016 06: 37
        +1
        ... not in court - on count ..
  6. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 59
    11
    memories of the "scalpel":
    Quote: Thrall
    - What is your profession?
    - A guide to the "Barguzin".
    [Center]
    [/ Center]
  7. rpek32
    rpek32 21 February 2016 13: 16
    +2
    how the "partners" will sniff out immediately the howl will begin laughing
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 21 February 2016 19: 04
      +3
      I wonder how much weight the new complex has and whether it is necessary to strengthen the railway track? If they fit in weight, then such a complex will simply be priceless for such open spaces of the Russian Federation. What can I say. Any place in the USSR that has any track in our country. Try to find. Satellites need to be so saturated, and only for this complex, so that a whole swarm stands over Russia and adjacent countries. Expensive and inefficient. I drove such a train to the depot, but repainted it in a few hours, changed the number of empty wagons and went on for 11 hours. belts. hi
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 21 February 2016 21: 32
        +2
        In the tunnels of Siberia and the Urals, you can make branches for the parking of these trains. And the satellite will not detect and protection against a nuclear explosion.
  8. Raven1972
    Raven1972 21 February 2016 22: 54
    +3
    Quote: Thrall
    - What is your profession?
    - A guide to the "Barguzin".
    - Fast?
    - Ballistic.

    No, not so little)))
    - What is your profession?
    - A guide to the "Barguzin".
    - Fast?
    - Fast, very fast wink bully
  9. Nick
    Nick 22 February 2016 14: 39
    +2
    Quote: Thrall
    Powerful little thing.

    - What is your profession?
    - A guide to the "Barguzin".
    - Fast?
    - Ballistic.

    -... Brand ... wink
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 22 February 2016 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: Nick
      Quote: Thrall
      Powerful little thing.

      - What is your profession?
      - A guide to the "Barguzin".
      - Fast?
      - Ballistic.

      Quote: Nick
      -... Brand ...

      And fast, and ballistic, and corporate, Well, just a super-express!
  10. Serg koma
    Serg koma 23 February 2016 09: 18
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    - What is your profession?
    - A guide to the "Barguzin".
    - Fast?
    - Ballistic.

    laughing laughing laughing
    -MOST FAST! Seven to ten minutes and already New York.
  • Skym
    Skym 21 February 2016 12: 48
    +3
    As there was "Our armored train on the side track" (c)
  • Lieutenant Izhe
    Lieutenant Izhe 21 February 2016 12: 48
    +3
    As the saying goes, "God forbid!" good
    All the same, "not from scratch" BZHRK is created, but there are BEAUTIFUL developments! drinks
  • mvg
    mvg 21 February 2016 12: 48
    +7
    carriage - will there be a restaurant?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 February 2016 12: 51
      11
      Quote: mvg
      carriage - will there be a restaurant?

      Will fellow And God forbid someone spills tea at the remote control what , then explain the appearance of new straits in the western hemisphere ... crying soldier
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 21 February 2016 12: 54
      +6
      Quote: mvg
      carriage - will there be a restaurant?

      Everything will be there. And the dining car and the sobering-up car. And in the picture there is a BZHRK with a Molodets rocket.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 21 February 2016 13: 04
        +5
        Quote: Amurets
        And a restaurant car and a detox car.

        Rather, a sobering car wink So that hotheads would think before they climb on us soldier drinks
  • Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 21 February 2016 12: 50
    +4
    I am not an expert, but in my opinion, the installation on a railway platform is successful and promising. Moreover, it has established itself since Soviet times and turned out to be successful.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 51
    +1
    about how ... recently they talked, it’s being developed, and here is the staff! however, apparently started long ago ...
    Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
    All the same, "not from scratch" BZHRK is created, but there are BEAUTIFUL developments!
    there were achievements in Yuzhmash, and now they are somewhere ... not with us.
    1. DPG
      DPG 21 February 2016 13: 00
      +2
      So we are not done with a finger. We say that, we will think and we are already cooking up the project, we say that we are ready to start the design and the staff themselves have laid, well, announcing the readiness to begin production on this topic, we hand over the keys to the new engine. Normal situation and attitude to business with partners like ours. Less know better sleep.


      But about the interior hehe, you need to think about whether this is an invitation to partner meritorians to study ???? what
    2. cedar
      cedar 22 February 2016 17: 44
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      about how ... recently they talked, it’s being developed, and here is the staff! however, apparently started long ago ...
      Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
      All the same, "not from scratch" BZHRK is created, but there are BEAUTIFUL developments!
      there were achievements in Yuzhmash, and now they are somewhere ... not with us.


      It is difficult to judge the reliability of the message, but the scientific and technological potential of China is known to everyone ... They already have a space station.
      “... On December 5, 2015, China carried out the first throw test by firing a DF-41 intercontinental ballistic missile from a transport and launch container in the variant railway based. The message was made with reference to "US intelligence agencies."
      The test was conducted at the Chinese rocket range and Taiyuan cosmodrome in Shaanxi province (US intelligence designates this object as Wuzhai). The three-stage solid propellant ICBM DF-41 worked out in the PRC can carry up to 10 shared individual guidance heads. The first flight test of the DF-41 was carried out in July 2012, so far five flight tests of the rocket have been carried out (the last - December 4, 2015).
      It is alleged that China received the technology of a military railway missile complex (BZHRK) from Ukraine, where the Dnepropetrovsk Design Bureau "Yuzhnoye" acted as the lead developer of the Soviet BZHRK 15P961 Molodets with an ICBM 15ZH61 (R-23 UTTKh). It is noted that, like "Well done", the Chinese BZHRK uses a "cold" launch rocket from TPK. "
      http://www.rusfact.ru/node/48081
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 February 2016 12: 55
    +1
    Well, missiles of old projects are leaving, new projects are replacing them.
    Look forward to...
  • Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 21 February 2016 12: 56
    0
    Barguzin is a new cause for excitement to our overseas partners. I hope in the future we will only disappoint and frighten them. Glory to Russia! soldier
  • sw6513
    sw6513 21 February 2016 12: 59
    +2
    Recycled, now created, a complex very necessary for the country (we would have had more of these). The question is how narrow-minded should be to give an order for disposal ..
    1. SNEK VIPER
      SNEK VIPER 21 February 2016 13: 17
      +3
      IT WAS TO BE. A WHIPPED HUMAN, CURSED BY ALL RUSSIANS DEGENE.ATOM, GIVING POWER TO ALKASH AND HIS COMPANIES, SMOKING ANASHA ...
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 21 February 2016 21: 35
        0
        The alcoholics themselves were chosen by the Russians of their own free will, by the way .... Who imposed?
      2. ty60
        ty60 22 February 2016 22: 04
        0
        You had to be Misha Raisovich ..
    2. andj61
      andj61 21 February 2016 14: 48
      +3
      Quote: sw6513
      Recycled, now created, a complex very necessary for the country (we would have had more of these). The question is how narrow-minded should be to give an order for disposal ..

      The missile was previously very heavy, which is why the BZHRK 15P961 "Molodets" "provided" catastrophic wear and tear on the railways. paths. In addition, in the 90s, due to the fact that the Americans were creepy friends, he became known to them - they did not hide anything from their friends! - composition and performance characteristics of the BZHRK. Only because of this, they were able to track him easily. So the replacement "Well done" was required - to replace "Barguzin" came.
  • Goha
    Goha 21 February 2016 13: 03
    +4
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Barguzin is a headache for the next leaders of NATO countries. God save us from the second Tagged, a lover of disarm.

    The one that was marked for the first BZHRK was on Ognenny Island.
  • individual
    individual 21 February 2016 13: 15
    0
    My concern is that we are constantly changing priorities.
    There was an excellent "Well done" for the sake of enemies he was cut.
    Now again we spend money on this project, but with a different name.
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 21 February 2016 13: 16
    +4
    Yes, the news is good, no words. I look forward to the slobbering Western heart-rending screeching about this. Yes, even to "rivet" false BZHRK and let them all, with the clatter of their wheels, excite the reprocessing syndrome in "brave" warriors and politicians. "Ku-ku, America!"
  • demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 21 February 2016 13: 16
    +6
    "Barguzin" will be even more indistinguishable from the usual train - a more powerful one diesel locomotive, instead of three, railway platforms are ordinary in appearance, not reinforced. Instead of three 100-ton class missiles, there will be six 50-ton ones.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 21 February 2016 13: 20
    +2
    I understand everything and am glad, except for one thing, that the fashion of the representatives of the Moscow Region is marked on the echo of the matzah, that it is greed, lack of principle, or simply stupidity. The Pinocchio in the Moscow Region were not born with the stool and did not die with the end of his reign.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 February 2016 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      the fashion of the representatives of the Moscow Region is noted on the echo of the matzah that it is greed, lack of principle, or simply stupidity. The Pinocchio in the Moscow Region were not born with the stool and did not die with the end of his reign.

      Offered Do not judge so rashly about what you have no idea. I will explain this very thought.
      Before climbing on "Echo Matzah" (any other media), the military gets permission. He is being instructed by his comrades "with a Leninist squint in their eyes," recalling that "the all-seeing Eye is watching you attentively," and "the all-hearing Ear hears everything!" (even your secret thoughts!)
      After that, "possible" questions are asked and the range of answers is limited. ("Don't take black and white, * yes * and * no * - don't say!")
      Well, if, due to stupidity (negligence, thoughtlessness, or some other reason) the interviewer blurted out too much, then the road "To the partisans in the dense forest" awaits him. No, they will not "put", but they will send them from Belokamennaya to the steppe of Transbaikalia, to a distant, distant point, to graze calves instead of Makar.
      And everyone knows about it. Therefore, they speak only what has been agreed in advance. Perhaps with a decoy duck effect. But how - without this, too, you can not! Desa, she must also be indistinguishable from the truth. Otherwise, who will believe in it?
      So, forget about Buratin at this level of military command. Fools are now dumb, to the detriment of themselves and the state to cut the truth-uterus, without looking around! And * spies-traitors * they act differently. They sit with gray mice, don't shine anywhere (God forbid from the media!) And slowly drain the information through third hands. So that in the case of a nix, as if to be out of business ... So, "brother Musyu". And you say - "Pinocchio"!
      Yours faithfully, hi
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 21 February 2016 13: 21
    +4
    We hit the railways on the arrogant erysipelas of hegemon.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 21 February 2016 13: 33
    +2
    The Strategic Missile Forces will soon begin training personnel for the Barguzin complex
    Well, gentlemen, Westerners want to sleep badly at night. Here you get it. That in your stomach goosebumps ran. We didn’t touch you, but it’s not like that for you. So take a sip now.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 February 2016 14: 01
    +3
    Here is joy, here are our - as the GDP says - overseas partners will be happy. And for everyone else - and Europeans, and Japanese, and Chinese good news.
    Well, we will smile quietly and think, each to himself about ......
  • Yugra
    Yugra 21 February 2016 14: 15
    +1
    I can imagine how warm urine flowed over the feet of mattresses. How afraid they were of our mobile complexes located on the railway ...
  • HAM
    HAM 21 February 2016 14: 25
    +3
    The "tractor driver" from the Stavropol Territory has done things, now everything would have looked a little different, but he, a goat, does not even have a conscience ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 February 2016 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      and he, a goat, and conscience does not torment ...

      And in his place where conscience should be, the account in an import bank grew by several million dull raccoons!
      That's just terribly interesting: where this * meanness * will trample to die, where he wants his mortal remains to rest ... Really in Russia, betrayed by him and his clan !? Or will "the best German of 2001" remain in Foggy Albion?
  • Koshak
    Koshak 21 February 2016 14: 29
    +1
    Quote: BilliBoms09
    Soviet BZHRK were decommissioned in 2005.
    I read somewhere that the Union developed air-based systems for ICBMs, based on transport aircraft. It looks like BZHRK, only flying. It’s also difficult to track how many civilian planes are in the sky? Maybe our MO will return to this topic!

    Once upon a time, back in Soviet times, it was possible to equip passenger aircraft with weapons suspension nodes in a short time. Why not come back to this idea of ​​"Calibers".
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 February 2016 16: 38
      +4
      Quote: Koshak
      Why not come back to this idea of ​​"Calibers".

      ... uh :)
      To do this, you will first have to restore your aircraft industry for release OUR CIVIL COURTS! And accordingly, thousands of copies of Caliber (X-101)
      But, as they say, "the trouble is the beginning ...". Will be! And we will wait ...

      By the way, GA pilots at one time annually passed training camps on the flight of "combat" ...
  • Hecate
    Hecate 21 February 2016 14: 38
    +2
    I have nothing against the BZHRK. The BZHRK has greater mobility, which is superior to the mobility and mobility of ground missile systems, on a car chassis, which means it will be more difficult to detect and cover them with Tomahawk cruise missiles, which the USA relies on the massive use of.
  • spinner
    spinner 21 February 2016 14: 51
    -5
    It’s strange, like that. We make submarines, we make planes, we make rockets, we make tanks, we make ships. We do everything, everything flies, swims and rides, everyone is afraid of us. All this requires millions of different parts, hundreds of factories must work, and all the plants are destroyed. So from which r is all this made? And is it done at all?
    1. cap
      cap 22 February 2016 00: 59
      +1
      Quote: twister
      It’s strange, like that. We make submarines, we make planes, we make rockets, we make tanks, we make ships. We do everything, everything flies, swims and rides, everyone is afraid of us. All this requires millions of different parts, hundreds of factories must work, and all the plants are destroyed. So from which r is all this made? And is it done at all?


      In early childhood, I asked myself the question, why did my neighbor need a pass to a music factory. laughing
  • staryivoin
    staryivoin 21 February 2016 16: 15
    0
    And remember how NATO called our "Well done" - "Scalpel". This alone says a lot. The only thing with the removal of the complex near Perm was removed and all the support on the railway lines in the Perm Territory. Is it left in Krasnoyarsk and Kostroma ??
    1. ty60
      ty60 22 February 2016 22: 15
      0
      The equipment will be new. Optics, a figure.
  • 31R-US
    31R-US 21 February 2016 17: 02
    +1
    Quote: Proxima
    Why did Ekho Moskvy suddenly show interest in our ICBMs?

    So I don’t understand the "echo" horse of the tiger Cupid and to ... Timur, not an ICBM. belay
  • ilyinval61
    ilyinval61 21 February 2016 17: 13
    0
    Nothing is lost. Everything will be done

    I have long expected such a message.
  • PKK
    PKK 21 February 2016 17: 26
    -1
    Quote: Thrall

    - Ballistic.
    Sorry, ballistic are not used now, now they are flying along variable missile trajectories. And the Pioneers were not quite ballistic with individual guidance using the aggregate compartment. And yet, under the USSR we were taught various higher mathematicians, CPSU histories, Scientific Communisms. Now, apparently, the programs will not so abstruse. Mostly practice. And it's good for the troops.
  • Old26
    Old26 21 February 2016 18: 02
    0
    Quote: BilliBoms09
    Soviet BZHRK were decommissioned in 2005.
    I read somewhere that the Union developed air-based systems for ICBMs, based on transport aircraft. It looks like BZHRK, only flying. It’s also difficult to track how many civilian planes are in the sky? Maybe our MO will return to this topic!

    Will not return while there is a contract. The system was developed, but never even tested. Neither from the transporter, nor from the bomber.

    Quote: dmi.pris
    There was a system based on a heavy transport helicopter "MI". But this is only delivery to the launch areas - a kind of "Topol", only by air.

    It was a development exclusively for operational tactical missiles. But in the series was not possible only in trial operation.

    Quote: starper
    Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.

    A very bold statement. The problem was not only in detection, but also in the identification of targets. And about the tracking in RTV it was not at all. Otherwise, why should the enemy introduce restrictions on the PGRK deployment areas into the treaty and put the BZHRK on joke if it was so easily tracked by all our strategists

    Quote: andj61
    Everything is right! Tracking the BZHRK is extremely difficult, not even because of the need for a large satellite constellation. railroad the composition is practically no different from the usual railway. composition. Particularly similar to the mail and luggage train. Not knowing what is inside - you can’t tell anything! It was noticeable nearby that the composition was very heavy - and nothing more. The USA was able to track the previous version of the BZHRK - 15P961 Molodets - only in the last years of its operation, and even after that (in the 90s they didn’t hide anything from the Americans), as they knew its composition: - three three-car launchers with ICBM RT-23UTTKH; - command module consisting of 7 wagons; - tank car with reserves of fuels and lubricants; - two diesel locomotives DM-62.17 wagons with two locomotives - this was what was tracked - otherwise, nothing!

    Whether it will be possible to track the new BZHRK is not yet clear. Since it is not known what the configuration of the new line-up will be. It is only known that it will have 6 PUs and that's it. If we talk about the old BZHRK, then it was precisely its configuration that was the very unmasking factor that “betrayed” it. A "post-baggage" train with 17 wagons and THREE diesel locomotives is nonsense.
  • Old26
    Old26 21 February 2016 18: 03
    0
    Quote: andj61
    The USA was able to track the previous version of the BZHRK - 15P961 Molodets - only in the last years of its operation, and even after that (in the 90s they didn’t hide anything from the Americans), as they knew its composition: - three three-car launchers with ICBM RT-23UTTKH; - command module consisting of 7 wagons; - tank car with reserves of fuels and lubricants; - two diesel locomotives DM-62.17 wagons with two locomotives - this was what was tracked - otherwise, nothing!

    In fact, they knew about the configuration of the train from the very beginning, as According to the contract, after leaving the factory, the crew stopped at a special site and remained there with the roofs of the launchers open for some time so that the satellites photographed it.
    Only there were three diesel locomotives

    Quote: Foresterer
    And how many tunnels in Russia, depot? And do not count! Like Brazil Donov Pedro. Satellites do not stock up.

    Yeah, especially in the European part of Russia. Tunnels do not count laughing . A depot
    So what, well, there is a depot. Suitable composition with BZHRK, and the depot is occupied by others laughing

    Quote: Bort Radist
    At the station, smoke was released, four trains were driven under a veil, I twisted and twisted, I want to deceive everyone, we left. Guess the first time. Have to spend energy and money on control,

    Yeah! How much smoke equipment will be needed. And four trains in one place is cool ...

    Quote: NEXUS
    Barguzins are one of the ways to return the country to its former power. It is interesting what kind of rocket will still be on the BZHRK, Rubezh or Yars ...

    Neither

    Quote: Giant thought
    Alarmingly, reports that the Ministry of Finance will cut funding for the construction of "Barguzin", here it would be to cut Silan's appetites for sequestration.

    I don’t see anything wrong with that. Moreover, it is too expensive. To deploy a division almost in a clean place is an expensive and incomprehensible pleasure for anyone.

    Quote: Voha_krim
    Soviet BZHRK "Molodets" with three ballistic missiles RS-22 (Scalpel according to NATO classification). It is assumed that the Barguzin will carry six RS-24 Yars ICBMs. One locomotive will be used for traction instead of three at Molodets.

    Then what is the point of the new BZHRK, if it suddenly has such a configuration. At "Molodets", everything is clear why there are 3 diesel locomotives. And one at "Barguzin"?

    Quote: Koshak
    Once upon a time, back in Soviet times, it was possible to equip passenger aircraft with weapons suspension nodes in a short time. Why not come back to this idea of ​​"Calibers".

    We will not return ...
  • tinibar
    tinibar 21 February 2016 18: 10
    +1
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Barguzin is a headache for the next leaders of NATO countries. God save us from the second Tagged, a lover of disarm.

    Bold plus for Tagged ...
  • chenia
    chenia 21 February 2016 18: 14
    +2
    Quote: starper
    Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.

    Quote: andj61
    17 cars with two diesel locomotives - this is what they tracked - otherwise - nothing!


    Quote: Old26
    Whether it will be possible to track the new BZHRK is not yet clear. Since it is not known what will be the configuration of the new composition. It is only known that it will have 6 launchers and all


    And what prevents the launch of dozens of empty (well, not quite empty, albeit for the economy, transporting something) similar trains, and completely confusing intelligence (without violating the restriction agreement).
  • Flat5160
    Flat5160 21 February 2016 18: 14
    +1
    With the collapse of the USSR, mattresses focused specifically on the destruction of railway complexes and TU160 in the first place and another CC20 Satan. In Ukraine, they recouped almost completely on TUShki, we managed to save a little. The complexes were put under the knife by Misha from Borey. It’s right that we are restoring now. Mattresses will not sleep peacefully, and to know what else there are containers on trucks and sea and river vessels, and to finalize, we will finalize them, let them not doubt. And ABM mattresses-another nonsense. For this system to work, you need at least 20-30 years according to various estimates of analysts. This time we need to pull ourselves up in the economy and social sphere.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 21 February 2016 21: 39
      0
      In 2005, the sun was already participating in the cutting of the train. Misha and Bori were not in politics
      1. Flat5160
        Flat5160 21 February 2016 22: 19
        0
        Since 1991, by agreement with the USA, the BZHRK have been on combat duty at the base, without leaving the country’s railway network.

        According to the START-2 treaty in 1993, Russia was to withdraw from service and destroy all the RT-23UTTX missiles by 2003.
    2. ty60
      ty60 22 February 2016 22: 59
      0
      It’s necessary to bring the ICBM to the size of a railway container with a full launch container. A heavy rocket engine will not fit. Let’s bring the turbojet engine to mind, let’s start with no more than 4x, and you can add mixed calibers. Here’s a guess which will be more rigid - what we carry inside ? Options should be! Possibility of a different configuration!
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  • Old26
    Old26 21 February 2016 18: 59
    +1
    Quote: PKK
    Sorry, ballistic are not used now, now they are flying along variable missile trajectories. And the Pioneers were not quite ballistic with individual guidance using the aggregate compartment. And yet, under the USSR we were taught various higher mathematicians, CPSU histories, Scientific Communisms. Now, apparently, the programs will not so abstruse. Mostly practice. And it's good for the troops.

    Oh well, they’re not used ?? And what kind of variable missile trajectory do you know? Do those who design and build the rocket know that ballistic trajectories are not used?
    This means that the Pioneers were not quite ballistic7 And which ones? Respected. The trajectory can be either ballistic or quasi-ballistic. Which is basically a kind of ballistic. And not quite ballistic - it's about the same as "a little pregnant"

    Quote: Plat5160
    With the collapse of the USSR, mattresses focused specifically on the destruction of railway complexes and TU160 in the first place and another CC20 Satan. In Ukraine, they recouped almost completely on TUShki, we managed to save a little. The complexes were put under the knife by Misha from Borey. It’s right that we are restoring now. Mattresses will not sleep peacefully, and to know what else there are containers on trucks and sea and river vessels, and to finalize, we will finalize them, let them not doubt. And ABM mattresses-another nonsense. For this system to work, you need at least 20-30 years according to various estimates of analysts. This time we need to pull ourselves up in the economy and social sphere.

    I agree with almost everything. That's just a complex under the knife (if I may say so) let Vladimir Vladimirovich. For they were destroyed in 2005. And further. SS-20 and Satan are TWO different missiles

    Quote: chenia
    And what prevents the launch of dozens of empty (well, not quite empty, albeit for the economy, transporting something) similar trains, and completely confusing intelligence (without violating the restriction agreement).

    This will be one of the violations. For besides the quantitative composition in the contracts there are relevant articles regarding camouflage and false launchers
  • Bath
    Bath 21 February 2016 19: 34
    +1
    Quote: PKK
    Do not forget about the spies and our notorious 5th convoy. In order to transmit information about the train, it’s enough to go online. And there are people who want to sell the homeland for dollars.

    that’s the most powerful argument of Judaica to find so the secret is unlikely to happen if the staff from our general secretaries of agents of influence sbatsali Th there
  • TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 21 February 2016 19: 57
    0
    you need very much faster !!!
  • PKK
    PKK 21 February 2016 20: 06
    0
    Quote: Old26

    Oh well, they’re not used ?? And what kind of variable missile trajectory do you know? Do those who design and build the rocket know that ballistic trajectories are not used?
    This means that the Pioneers were not quite ballistic7 And which ones? Respected. The trajectory can be either ballistic or quasi-ballistic. Which is basically a kind of ballistic. And not quite ballistic - it's about the same as "a little pregnant"

    Dear, this idea of ​​the name of the missile trajectories may have stung you. Here the idea was that the majority imagines a missile’s flight as the flight of a projectile fired from a barrel. Yes, they used to fly like that, UR 100, for example, or Tochka. And now controlled flight is used in some part of the trajectory. Managed flight is hardly ballistic
  • cosmos132
    cosmos132 21 February 2016 21: 09
    +1
    Welcome all!!!
    History is moving. 9.12.1998/2003/149 he watched the launch of the BZHRK from the Big Pike Lake (maybe someone knows where it is). XNUMX already sawed a complex. I can’t believe that he will be reborn. Let it be the XNUMXth!
  • TOR2
    TOR2 21 February 2016 21: 43
    0
    As always, a controversy flared up in the topic dedicated to the BZHRK, whether it can be tracked from space or not. It is necessary to create not only BZHRK, but also a whole class of weapons on the railway platform. For example, air defense systems. They will differ from their ground congeners primarily by the automatic feed of missiles. And only such complexes will be able to repel a massive strike. Or let's say an electronic warfare complex. Several of these trains, turning around, can easily organize the "Bermuda Triangle" for the "axes". If the coast is close, the "Bastion" of the railway station will look very good. The downside is that it is on the rails, plus it recharges very quickly.
    Each of these psvedoBZHRK will delight and amuse the Atlantists. Well, let their satellite constellation play thimbles.
  • Mister22408
    Mister22408 21 February 2016 23: 48
    0
    Yes they say it is tracked, mainly - by indirect ... :-). The complex is correct!
  • red_october
    red_october 22 February 2016 00: 49
    0
    Quote: Ros 56
    Here is joy, here are our - as the GDP says - overseas partners will be happy. And for everyone else - and Europeans, and Japanese, and Chinese good news.
    Well, we will smile quietly and think, each to himself about ......


    Aha! Only the "calibers" have died down - and then bam! These barbarians, who do not produce anything except oil (Barak Huseynovich TM), also have BZHRK!
    Which the Americans for the first time failed to do, and still do not know how.
  • Platonich
    Platonich 22 February 2016 05: 26
    +1
    But you can make a launcher in the form of an ice floe and set sail from the North Pole to pi..osii !!!
  • faridg7
    faridg7 22 February 2016 07: 16
    +1
    Quote: Raven1972
    Quote: Thrall
    Like, in the west, peaceful people ride trains, and in Russia - intercontinental ballistic missiles, and people in bast shoes ride nearby on carts drawn by a bear and drink vodka, singing ditties to the balalaika

    But we have a nuclear reactor in every house, and a tank in the garage tongue bully drinks

    Damn it is necessary to go to the garage, it has not been a long time, I somehow did not think that such things could happen in it. In general, if the tank is in the garage, it’s useful in the household, I agree even on BT26
    1. ty60
      ty60 22 February 2016 23: 05
      0
      drinks only T26 or BT-7 is the last fun on the track! hi
  • Balagan
    Balagan 22 February 2016 07: 56
    0
    Quote: starper
    Actually, the states easily track ALL of our "strategists", even those who are undergoing modernization. I am afraid that the AI ​​BZHRK can also be controlled from space. As is now accepted IMHO.

    Aha, that's why mattress covers were raised so high when the museum exhibit was taken from the Warsaw Station for painting laughing
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 22 February 2016 08: 35
    0
    Quote: BilliBoms09
    Soviet BZHRK were decommissioned in 2005.
    I read somewhere that the Union developed air-based systems for ICBMs, based on transport aircraft. It looks like BZHRK, only flying. It’s also difficult to track how many civilian planes are in the sky? Maybe our MO will return to this topic!

    "Iron" is still more reliable.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 22 February 2016 15: 15
    0
    if the Americans have not yet come up with a code name for Barguzin, I can offer my own version of "leather needle" smile
  • bsk_mna54
    bsk_mna54 22 February 2016 16: 04
    +1
    Just try to burn such a wonderful toy again, all traitors must be hung by the balls
  • Miron64
    Miron64 22 February 2016 18: 29
    0
    All right! GOOD FELLOWS! Here you are not here.
  • alex80
    alex80 22 February 2016 21: 31
    0
    Quote: ty60
    The missile did not fit in one standard carriage. Plus, double pads of wheeled pairs-weight!

    In Barguzin, it is precisely planned to fit a rocket into one car, because mass dimensions of the rocket since
    then decreased (they say that there will be something similar to a Mace), and for the same reason reinforced wheeled
    no steam is required, i.e. even from a close distance outside, it will become much more difficult to distinguish this train from the usual one. Thus, the number of missiles in one train will also be more than three pieces in "Molodets".
  • An64
    An64 22 February 2016 21: 48
    0
    And you can return to the article and not discuss the issues of autopsy and counteraction.
    Let's start with the deadlines:
    Last year S. Karakayev also said that the new project BZHRK will be completed by the end of this decade. Thus, the strategic missile forces will receive a new technique by 2020 year.

    Therefore, it is not clear why the article talks about 2018.
    And the phrase is surprising:
    To date, the preliminary design of the Barguzin railway complex (BZHRK) has been completed and the design documentation for its entire system is being prepared

    to those who, at least a little, are familiar with the order of execution of any OCD is not clear, but where is the technical design? because only after it begins the development of RKD!
    1. ty60
      ty60 22 February 2016 23: 12
      0
      I say there is a variant! Even the Gauges already have the right ... They must be fully developed for them! See TTX and dimensions .. Well, the Sarmatians will then be BUILT into the complex's OMS with a separate release .. Together with the launcher on a separate carrier car. There should be a modular system.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 February 2016 04: 18
    0
    Russia really needs Such systems .. For their invisibility in the general traffic flow is a very significant masking factor .. Note that all of Russia has already switched to reinforced (jointless) rails and concrete sleepers ...
  • Old26
    Old26 23 February 2016 08: 50
    +1
    Quote: ty60
    I say there is a variant! Even the Gauges already have the right ... They must be fully developed for them! See TTX and dimensions .. Well, the Sarmatians will then be BUILT into the complex's OMS with a separate release .. Together with the launcher on a separate carrier car. There should be a modular system.

    So, "Ostap suffered." Well, "Calibers" on such a train probably solely in order to hit their own territory? In the style of "Hit your own so that others are afraid?"
    Nah ..... What for this complex ("Caliber") on the strategic, letter .... Who will be in command? Well, a separate release - "Sarmat" - is generally beyond the boundaries of normal perception. Delirium and insanity. Either you have a lot of 104-ton "Well done", then suddenly decide to launch a rocket weighing 150 tons? It’s not funny myself. I'm not even talking about the fact that "SARMAT" rocket LIQUID and use it on a railway platform - that’s nonsense.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 24 February 2016 13: 05
      0
      this is normal:) - here the main thing with a clever view of the nano project is to squeeze :)