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Media: test of the Sarmat rocket postponed to 2 quarter

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Throwing test ICBM "Sarmat" moved because of the unavailability of the silo launcher, reports Look with reference to tass.


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“The first throwing test of a ballistic missile was planned to be held in the first quarter of this year, however, due to the unavailability of the silo launcher at the Plesetsk cosmodrome, the deadlines were shifted to the second quarter,” a defense industry source told the agency.

“The start of flight test design will also be shifted three to four months to the right,” he added.

According to the interlocutor, “certain elements of the old mine, which were previously considered to be workable, after additional examination were found unsuitable for testing and need to be replaced.”

He noted that "the period of work on the reconstruction of the mine is also affected by the tense situation with financing." “The Sarmatian prototype itself has long been ready for a throw,” said a source.

As previously reported, “Sarmat” should replace the V-voda missile R-36М2. According to Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, the new rocket will be created in several configurations at once.
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  1. olegfbi
    olegfbi 21 February 2016 11: 42
    14
    The throw test of the Sarmat ICBM was postponed due to the unavailability of the silo launcher,


    On the one hand, everything is correct, because everything needs to be double-checked 1000 times before testing!
    On the other hand, it turns out wrecking and irresponsibility !!! For overslept, to put it mildly, the readiness \ condition of the launcher.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 21 February 2016 11: 45
      +3
      He noted that “the tense situation with financing also affects the period of work on the reconstruction of the mine.”

      Most likely this is the main reason.
      I have one second day of trouble with the site?
      1. olegfbi
        olegfbi 21 February 2016 11: 48
        +6
        Most likely this is the main reason.

        Rather, one of the complex reasons!
        I would say this: The main reason is Sloppiness !!!
        1. Lieutenant Izhe
          Lieutenant Izhe 21 February 2016 12: 03
          +8
          I would say this: The main reason is Sloppiness !!!

          hi Also inclined to YOUR version, because ...
          money was allocated for the Vostochny cosmodrome in a timely manner, and construction proceeded "as usual."
          LOST FEAR! (In front of the state)
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 21 February 2016 13: 43
            +3
            They didn’t have it (fear of the state) ... There was only greed and gluttony of the hyena ..
        2. Vladimyrych
          Vladimyrych 21 February 2016 12: 04
          +2
          Until they introduce criminal liability for wrecking, they will postpone the commissioning of rockets, ships, etc. for quarters and years.
          In the military-industrial complex, unfortunately, a huge pile .... that used to be called enemies of the people. And no one is struggling with this and does not want to fight.
          1. olegfbi
            olegfbi 21 February 2016 12: 13
            +3
            Until they introduce criminal liability for wrecking, they will postpone the commissioning of rockets, ships, etc. for quarters and years.

            Yes, there is no need for a separate article of the Criminal Code! The existing law is quite enough!
            The question is the will of the country's leadership and the willingness of law enforcement officers to stop / warn
            plant ...
            1. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 21 February 2016 13: 45
              +4
              One competent comrade told me, there are not volumes, but dump trucks of volumes of cases of theft, bribery, etc. .. There is no command
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 21 February 2016 15: 49
                +2
                Quote: dmi.pris
                there are no volumes, but dump trucks of volumes of cases of theft, bribery, etc. .. There is no command

                Well, what other team does the supervising prosecutor need in order to initiate an UD on the grounds of a crime under article ... of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
                Or do we really follow the principle "A raven will not peck out a crow's eye"?
                1. olegfbi
                  olegfbi 21 February 2016 21: 08
                  +1
                  Or, in fact, we have according to the principle "A raven will not peck out a crow's eye

                  Exactly!
                  Hand washes a hand ...
              2. olegfbi
                olegfbi 21 February 2016 21: 06
                0
                Oh how often I hear that ...
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 21 February 2016 12: 52
            13
            Quote: Vladimir
            Until criminal liability for sabotage is introduced

            Its responsibility had to be introduced in 2002, when, under thunderous applause of inspectors from the "partners", the mines of "Satan" 59 of the Kartala DRKSN were blown up. On duty, I have been there many times (1978-1979) before the "inspection" my heart was filled with pride for the country, and what all this power was turned into ... The picture shows the remains (or remains) of the barrel for "Satan"
          3. Vladimir 23rus
            Vladimir 23rus 22 February 2016 07: 42
            0
            used to be called enemies of the people. And no one is struggling with this and does not want to fight.
            Putin said that: "There will be no 37th" and the gentlemen decided that they will not have anything (as life shows, they have decided correctly) and do whatever they want.
        3. Inok10
          Inok10 21 February 2016 12: 17
          11
          Quote: olegfbi
          Rather, one of the complex reasons!
          I would say this: The main reason is Sloppiness !!!

          ... and what do you think it is? ... that additional examination revealed a problem? ... who would have read the thread when Plesetsk appeared .. in the 60s of the last century ... the last mines no later than the 70s of the last century ... why are we shouting the guard? ... if the problem had not been discovered and because of this the throw test would have been unsuccessful ... then it would have been a jamb, with an unprepared launcher and minus a rocket ... but, while systematic work, and without "surprises" it does not happen, given that the mine launcher is more than 40 years old ... hi
          1. olegfbi
            olegfbi 21 February 2016 12: 26
            +4
            who would read the thread when Plesetsk appeared .. in the 60s of the last century

            but, while systematic work, and without "surprises" it does not happen, given that the mine launcher is more than 40 years old

            Sloppiness consists in disrupting the work schedule!
            Yes, the mines are over 40 years old, that's true! But the truth is different, when planning work, scheduling, we MUST conduct an inspection of the control room and, according to its results, carry out the repair of the control room!
            Here it turns out that either they did not examine, or they did not examine it correctly enough, or knowing about the real state of the launcher, they hoped "at random" and reported - They say everything will be fine and according to the schedule, but the schedule itself was not fulfilled!

            Although your judgment also has the truth!
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 21 February 2016 12: 34
              +2
              Quote: olegfbi
              Yes, the mines are over 40 years old, that's true! But the truth is different, when planning work, scheduling, we MUST conduct an inspection of the control room and, according to its results, carry out the repair of the control room!

              ... the education is clearly humanitarian ... judging by the understanding of what 40 years are in land and concrete, equipment, cable ducts, drainage, ventilation, a system of exhaust gases, etc. a building in N floors underground ... it's not a concrete well in the village ... read what a mine PU is ... in an article written in Russian ... during an additional examination!, that is, people-specialists did their job, and no one can even guess what will come up in the 40-year-old mine ... hi
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 21 February 2016 12: 59
                +2
                Quote: Inok10
                , starting gas exhaust system, etc. building in N floors underground

                the mines of the Satan OS (the Sarmat is being replaced and will be installed in its mines) do not have a gas outlet, because a "mortar start" is used, as well as the H-floors.

                by reference - larger
                http://files.balancer.ru/forums/attaches/2014/11/17-3648150-0-f7bac-2062cd0d-ori
                g.jpg
                Only there is a doubt that there is a mine of this type "In the North" (Plesetsk). If I remember vividly, there were only mines for solid fuel RT and under R-16. And somewhere it flashed that a new one would have to be built.
                Veterans specify, pliz ...
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                2. Inok10
                  Inok10 21 February 2016 14: 09
                  +3
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  the mines of the Satan OS (the Sarmat is being replaced and will be installed in its mines) do not have a gas outlet, because a "mortar start" is used, as well as the H-floors.

                  ... I welcome Ruslan Batkovich hi ... that’s all right, but it’s in a standard silo ... well, the shotgun will be in Plesetsk ... ah, there is a silo under R-16U, in the picture ... hi
                  1. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 21 February 2016 14: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: Inok10
                    well, there is a silo under P-16U, in the picture ...

                    ... know this mine! More precisely, the group start 8P764 Sheksna. There were 3 of them: Anna, Vera, Boris ...
                    And they were "irritated" in the late 90s. This mine, without redesign and alteration, is not capable of receiving anything of the R-36 / UR-100 type.

                    Why infa that this particular mine? And not from a solid propellant?

                    Here they are in the north
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 21 February 2016 18: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Rus2012
                      ... know this mine! More precisely, the group start 8P764 Sheksna. There were 3 of them: Anna, Vera, Boris ...

                      ... 3 pieces were R-9A ... a, R-16U more than doubled ... but not in quantity the essence ... hi ... if the "Sarmat" is replacing the "Voevoda" then the dimensions should approximately correspond, all the "Voivoda" drags 8,7 item Warhead:
                      Length - 34.3 m
                      Diameter - 3 m
                      Starting weight - 211 item
                      ... the "Yars-M" which was launched from Plesetsk, everything is much more modest, 1,3 t. Warhead:
                      Length - 22.55 m
                      Diameter - 1.86 m
                      Starting weight - 48 tons.
                      ... that is, silo type 15P765 / 15P765M for "solid fuel" does not roll in size in any way ... the closest is the "old woman" silo R-9A, if you carefully "modify it with a file" and remove the excess in the "file" as constructive ( on the picture):
                      Starting weight - 80.4 tons.
                      Length - 24.3 m.
                      Diameter - 2.68 m.
                      ... well, the R-9A was removed from service as far back as 1977, in Plisetsk 3 silos ... that’s the engineering task of the modern people, you won’t wish the enemy ... hi
                      1. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 21 February 2016 19: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        ... 3 pieces were P-9А ... а, Р-16У more than twice ...

                        Stop stop stop!

                        The mines of the 8P785 complex under P-9A in Plesetsk were not one! Toko ground - 4pcs!
                        R-16-one mine group start - 3mines, plus 4grounds

                        The well-known mine complex 8P764 safely survived until the mid-90s untouched. Only at the end did the "barbarians / vandals" break into nonferrous and ferrous metal. Not to preserve it as a national museum, through which almost all UBP of mine regiments of R-16 Strategic Missile Forces passed!
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 21 February 2016 19: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        Stop stop stop!

                        ... were definitely ... ground were under the P-7 hi
                      3. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 21 February 2016 19: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        were definitely ... ground

                        No, the mines were only in Kozelsk, Omsk, Tyuratam.

                        Here is the dislocation -
                        By the end of the 1963 year, the following combat personnel in Plesetsk consisted of:
                        • 4 ground launchers of ICBM R-7A,
                        • 4 ground and 3 silo launchers of ICBM R-16 (U),
                        <br>• 4 ground launchers of ICBM R-9A.
                        These data from the book of veterans of the 53rd Scientific Research Institute of Industrial Problems, called "Polygon of special importance", is dedicated to the 40th anniversary of the 53rd Scientific Research Institute of Industrial Problems.
                      4. Inok10
                        Inok10 21 February 2016 20: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        No, the mines were only in Kozelsk, Omsk, Tyuratam.

                        Here is the dislocation -
                        By the end of the 1963 year, the following combat personnel in Plesetsk consisted of:

                        ... After the completion of flight design tests, the R-9A rocket with the mine (Desna-V) and ground (Dolina) launch complexes was adopted by the Strategic Missile Forces 21 July 1965 year... http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/r-9a/r-9a.shtml ... hi
                      5. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 21 February 2016 20: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Inok10
                        After completion of flight design tests, the R-9A missile with a silo (Desna-V)


                        Veterans of Peace: in Plesetsk, the UNFILMED mine complex R-9.

                        Here is the complete deployment of the 8-75 complex:
                        Plesetsk, ground,
                        site "Big Usovo", PU № 14 and № 15
                        Malo Usovo site, PU No. 12 and No. 13

                        Baikonur ground / mine
                        2 Desna-N ground launch and one Valley type launch (75 site)
                        mine position "Desna-V" with 3 silos (70 site)

                        Kozelskground / mine
                        289-th RP, BSP-22 - silo "Desna-V",
                        119-th RP, BSP-11, BSP-12 - 2 ground launchers,
                        656-th RP, BSP-31 - silo "Desna-V"
                        military unit 44070, BSP-21 - 2 ground launchers

                        Tyumen, ground
                        390 RP, BSP-12 - the starting position "Valley" with two ground starts
                        39 RP, BSP-13 - the starting position "Valley" with two ground starts

                        Omskmine
                        BSP-11 - group launch position 8П775 "Desna-V" with three silos

                        Total deployed - 27PU, 12 mine, 15 ground
                        DB from 1963 to 1976 year
                      6. Inok10
                        Inok10 21 February 2016 21: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        Plesetsk, land,
                        site "Big Usovo", PU № 14 and № 15
                        Malo Usovo site, PU No. 12 and No. 13

                        ... deployment time please note ... 1963 year . before adopting! ... From February 11, 1963 to February 2, 1964, it was launched 25 missiles, 17 of them reached the target. During three years 3 rockets were spent on three phases of LCI. ... that’s where your data is ... to discuss further is useless ... the complex was being refined, the complex was put into service in 1965 and the last missile of 1977 was removed ... hi
                      7. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 21 February 2016 21: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        . 1963 year ... before adoption

                        all wrong!
                        The complex was fully deployed and only then was adopted. In general, it was a battle of the titans.
                        In December 1964, military units with P-9A ground and mine missile complexes took up combat duty near Kozelsk, Omsk and Tyumen. R-9A combat launch complexes were also in Plesetsk and Baikonur, on 21 on July 1965 of the year the R-9A ICBMs in ground and mine versions were adopted. The grouping totaled 27 launchers.

                        http://rvsn.ruzhany.info/missile_ssystem_p01_16.html
                        Strategic Missile Forces missile systems From R-1 - to "TOPOLY-M" 1946 - 2006 gg.
                        Compiled by G. Smirnov, retired colonel

                        And the RK on the database were taken on readiness (i.e. even without taking the complex into service) -
                        The State Commission on the commissioning of the missile system was appointed by order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR from October 30 to 1963 of the year. The chairman of the State Commission was the chief of staff of the LenVO Lieutenant General A. M. Parshikov. From 2 to 18 of November of the same year, complex tests of technological systems were conducted at the Bolshoi Usovo site, under the leadership of the interagency commission (MVK) appointed by order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces of October 31 of 1963. On December 8 the MVK act was signed, and three days later - On December 11, 1963 of the year, the act of the State Commission for the acceptance of the Republic of Kazakhstan into permanent operation as part of PU No. 14 and No. 15. Complex tests were conducted at the Maloe Usovo site from November 23 to December 2, the MVK act was signed on December 11, and the next day, the State Commission's act on the acceptance of the Republic of Kazakhstan as part of PU No. 12 and No. 13.

                        December 15 of 1964 of the year, the combat calculations of three launchers: launchers No. 14 and No. 15 of the 329 missile regiment and launchers of No. 12 of the 63 missile regiment (created from the 2th division of the 329 rp in March 1964 of the year), entered into combat , in accordance with the Order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces of December 8 1964. The remaining 13 launcher entered the 10 database on February 1965

                        Such was the time when every operational rocket was counted!
                        Quote: Inok10
                        further discussion is useless ..

                        and what is there to discuss - if this is a big part of the life of my fellow veterans from Mirny. With what and with whom to discuss? Toko recall and correct memory errors ...
  2. olegfbi
    olegfbi 21 February 2016 22: 29
    0
    ... education is clearly humanitarian ...

    This is true, but the Highest!
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 21 February 2016 16: 05
    +4
    Quote: Inok10
    ... and what do you think it is?
    "The question is, of course, interesting ... (c)
    I apologize for the oncoming one: And when are you planning to hunt, do you look into the trunks? And if you’re dirty, you’re probably cleansing away from sin ... Or isn’t it?
    Well, if so, then what prevented, knowing the date of the throwing tests, to look into the "barrel" early, so as not to rush around later, eliminating the shortcomings? Or is the product already loaded there and there is no way to look at the lower horizon while the rocket is in the mine? -- No.
    Therefore, it seems to me that all conversations are for a diversion. And now we urgently need to look for reserves ... from the bins of the Motherland. And no one wants to answer for this. And they won't even fire anyone - there is no one to change! For 25 years the Min Obr and Science "managers", lawyers and economists riveted, instead of preparing engineers for industry.
    And now what, now - everything is shifted to the right!
    In my opinion, it is time to shift all this mosquito of the economic bloc "to the left"! Otherwise, they will kill us without war!
    IMHO.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 February 2016 16: 46
      0
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      And now urgently need to look for reserves ... from the bins of the homeland.

      Yes, this is not the point ...
      It's just that until the last moment there was no certainty - where to start shooting: either from Kapyar, or from Yasnoye ... or from Tyuratam. Each polygon has its own "+" and "-". And considering that in the last 30 years, the "heavy" was not developed, and their last - everyone from Baikonur experienced. And Ukrainians, moreover ... They remembered Mirny last of all. And besides, the last "civilians" (they are a ground launch) are being tested in Plesetsk.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 February 2016 19: 33
        +2
        Quote: Rus2012
        Just until the last moment there was no certainty - where to start shooting: either from Kapyar, or from Yasnoy ... or from Turatam.

        Yes, it seems to have decided:
        16.12.2015 was announced that before the end of 2015, the first test launch of this rocket will take place at the Plesetsk cosmodrome.
        http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/1730731
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 21 February 2016 18: 53
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      I apologize for the oncoming one: And when are you planning to hunt, do you look into the trunks?

      ... my regards ... hi ... answered above both about the trunks and about the caliber and about the rest ... Military Review, for me this is not a rally ... here TTX is more important ... Regards! ... hi
  • Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 22 February 2016 07: 49
    +1
    but, while systematic work, and without "surprises" it does not happen, given the fact that mine launchers are more than 40 years old.
    "Sarmat" has been officially developed for several years, and not officially, God knows, and the Ministry of Defense. So the PU could be prepared on time, and not "saw" money. Yes, during this time, a new mine could be dug up with spoons, and all the "insides" could be carved with a file. Not like bringing the old one to mind. hi
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 21 February 2016 14: 05
    +1
    Quote: olegfbi
    I would say this: The main reason is Sloppiness !!!

    Sloppiness is not the main reason, but the eternal reason. But one thing is good that the work is carried out no matter what.
  • Homo
    Homo 21 February 2016 18: 59
    -1
    Quote: olegfbi
    I would say this: The main reason is Sloppiness !!!

    Sir, are you Deputy Putin, a member of the State Commission, a psychic (own all the information)? No? Then there is no need to shake the air with loud and empty phrases (to put it mildly)! am
    1. Homo
      Homo 22 February 2016 12: 04
      0
      Again "minus" is silent. And what am I wrong? Correct me if I am wrong. Let's have a discussion. Indeed, in addition to "slovenliness" there is the economic situation in the country, sanctions, problems of import substitution, aging staff, changes in designs taking into account new developments, etc.
  • vlad66
    vlad66 21 February 2016 11: 56
    +8
    Quote: SRC P-15
    He noted that “the tense situation with financing also affects the period of work on the reconstruction of the mine.”

    Most likely this is the main reason.
    I have one second day of trouble with the site?

    Well, it’s not worth saving on your safety, especially on a nuclear shield.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 21 February 2016 12: 03
      0
      Obviously, "Sarmat" will not pollinate someone's fields with insecticides, fighting the Colorado potato beetle. He will bring the Russian response to the threat of attack, bring death to the self-imagining rulers of the world. In this vein, it is pleasant to state that:
      "The expectation of death is worse than death itself"
      soldier
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 21 February 2016 12: 14
    0
    The question arises, but where did they look before.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 21 February 2016 13: 32
      0
      It is common for the military to hush up its shoals, industry has come, they have drawn up acts of defect, and still the operator is not to blame. Tired, they haven’t flown from any military stars, and not a word has been said about some of their hands from another place.
      The nuclear submarine "Gepard" was delayed for a year.
      The nuclear submarine "Pskov" is also for a year. The warhead BCH-5 went sweaty, went to hospitals, waited until he was transferred to the military representatives, and then there was a stick in the wheels, a common thing.
      It’s a shame. Failures in the repair deadlines are usually hung up on the industry. And when they do not let the order in for 2 hours, the industry is probably to blame!
      2 hours is hundreds of thousands of rubles.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 36
    0
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    I have one second day of trouble with the site?

    Yes. to your provider ...
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 February 2016 11: 58
    +3
    Yes, someone needs a wet rag on the pope! With the loss of a chair and stars. 1000 checks were not there. And the preparation of the stand was to go not only in parallel, but also ahead of schedule.
  • Proxima
    Proxima 21 February 2016 12: 06
    +1
    Quote: olegfbi

    On the other hand, it turns out wrecking and irresponsibility !!!

    The second quarter - so the second, that's okay. Building a ballistic missile is extremely difficult. Another thing is that SARMAT CANNOT REPLACE VOEVODA. "Sarmat" 100-ton rocket, "Voyevoda" - more than 200 tons. Unfortunately, Russia is unable to produce such giants. But the replacement for the 100-ton Stiletto (RS-18) from the Sarmatian is worthy.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 21 February 2016 13: 12
      +1
      Quote: Proxima
      Quote: olegfbi

      On the other hand, it turns out wrecking and irresponsibility !!!

      The second quarter - so the second, that's okay. Building a ballistic missile is extremely difficult. Another thing is that SARMAT CANNOT REPLACE VOEVODA. "Sarmat" 100-ton rocket, "Voyevoda" - more than 200 tons. Unfortunately, Russia is unable to produce such giants. But the replacement for the 100-ton Stiletto (RS-18) from the Sarmatian is worthy.

      In general, here: Weight - 210 tons. The mass of the warhead will reach (presumably) 10 tons. Where did you get the idea that it is 100?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 21 February 2016 13: 21
        +3
        Quote: Muvka
        In general, here: Weight - 210 tons. The mass of the warhead will reach (presumably) 10 tons. Where did you get the idea that it is 100?

        What you brought is P-36 or "Satan"
        And "Sarmat" - RS-28 will be of 100-ton class. Those. not less than 100 and not more than 200 tons
        According to the latest data -
        the mass of the displayed load - up to 6 tons, the mass of the carrier - approx. 150
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 21 February 2016 13: 26
          +1
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82_(%D1%80%D0%B0
          %D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0)
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 21 February 2016 13: 28
            +1
            Quote: Muvka
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82_(%D1%80%D0%B0

            %D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0)

            in this case, Wicca is lying godlessly ... laughing negative
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 21 February 2016 13: 33
              +1
              Can I have a reference from you? That does not lie.
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 21 February 2016 14: 20
                +1
                Quote: Muvka
                Can I have a reference from you? That does not lie.

                http://bastion-karpenko.ru/UR-100XXX_01/
                But!
                True performance characteristics of the RS-28 - under the stamp. And they will be more or less known only when, within the framework of the "exchange", they will transfer 3,14ndos. This will happen only after the final state tests and the decision on acceptance into service.
                Clock ... bully
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka 21 February 2016 14: 48
                  +1
                  I am the daughter of an officer and you know, not everything is so simple ... bully
              2. Tersky
                Tersky 21 February 2016 18: 36
                +3
                Quote: Muvka
                Can I have a reference from you?

                Go through this link that does not lie, and you will be happy ... yes
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 21 February 2016 21: 29
      0
      Quote: Proxima
      ... But a replacement for the 100-ton Stiletto (RS-18) is worthy

      if we take by the number of warheads, it turns out nothing such a replacement of the mine version of the PC-22
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 21 February 2016 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: olegfbi
    On the one hand, everything is correct, because everything needs to be double-checked 1000 times before testing!

    That's it ! It’s better to double-check everything than to ditch the finished rocket in tests!
  • Koshak
    Koshak 21 February 2016 12: 48
    0
    Quote: olegfbi
    For overslept, to put it mildly, the readiness \ condition of the launcher.

    No need to tear the hair on the head. If the shaft installation was not used, then attention was paid to it. All equipment that is even in the stored storage will never go into battle right away.
  • Juborg
    Juborg 21 February 2016 13: 38
    0
    If this happened during the USSR, not only epaulettes would fly, but also heads. And today, democracy, all good .....
  • Homo
    Homo 21 February 2016 19: 02
    0
    Quote: olegfbi
    On the other hand, it turns out wrecking and irresponsibility !!! For overslept, to put it mildly, the readiness \ condition of the launcher.

    +15. About how many "all-perpetrators"!
  • Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 22 February 2016 07: 37
    0
    For overslept, to put it mildly, the readiness \ condition of the launcher.
    And this is at the spaceport! And then what is happening in positional areas?
  • Dim Bes
    Dim Bes 21 February 2016 11: 42
    12
    Now, those unconventional people who "commanded" to blow up highly protected mines would have to squeeze the Faberge into a yew. And red pepper under the tail.
    1. starper
      starper 21 February 2016 12: 03
      0
      I put a plus sign out of solidarity, although it seems to me that those mines, even if they were preserved, are no longer of any value, the technology has gone far ahead.
    2. Malachite
      Malachite 21 February 2016 12: 09
      0
      I saw these mines ... A heap of garbage and the work of "metal hunters" is visible ... The mines could not knock the slab off ... It was sad to look at all this! (90s)
      And there are many such points ... aerodromes of support ... etc.
      Very little remains (but they do!)
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 37
        -1
        Quote: Malachite
        I saw these mines ..

        all?
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 21 February 2016 11: 47
    +2
    Well, wait. Let this be her biggest problem on the road to adoption.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 February 2016 11: 50
    +5
    Guys, you need to strain! soldier "Voivods" are not eternal, and the adversary only sleeps and sees when we are weak. But heavy rockets are the very longest spear that our overseas "partners" are afraid of, because it reaches the tonsils ... winked ... Which side do not shove it ... repeat
  • kursk87
    kursk87 21 February 2016 11: 51
    0
    Russia's nuclear shield, sobering up Western hotheads, I hope that Sarmat’s ICBM will successfully pass the tests and will reliably protect our Great Motherland.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 21 February 2016 11: 52
    0
    buzzwords like ... optimization, and even any nonsense rushing from the mouths of our reformers ... it turns out-they diverge from the deed. But how they beat themselves with a hoof in the chest. Heroes damn it.
  • mvg
    mvg 21 February 2016 11: 58
    -4
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Guys, you need to strain! soldier "Voivods" are not eternal, and the adversary only sleeps and sees when we are weak. But heavy rockets are the very longest spear that our overseas "partners" are afraid of, because it reaches the tonsils ... winked ... Which side do not shove it ... repeat

    Do you really think that everyone is sleeping and seeing how Russia will get on its knees? Or maybe Leopold is not so wrong?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 February 2016 12: 03
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      Do you really think that everyone is sleeping and seeing how Russia will get on its knees?

      But you yourself do not see this? Or do you think that the West is only sleeping and sees Russia strong and capable of deciding what to do? Read the story, watch the news and draw conclusions hi
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 21 February 2016 12: 31
      +1
      [quote = mvg] [quote = rurikovich]
      Do you really think that everyone is sleeping and seeing how Russia will get on its knees? Or maybe Leopold is not so wrong? [/ Quote]
      And you are in vain humor. EXACTLY, SLEEP AND SEE! You look at the map - Russia is the largest country in the world by area, and how many hydrocarbons do we have? But what about people living on it, do not tell me? I will tell you, in terms of population, we are inferior even to countries such as Nigeria, Pakistan and even dwarf Bangladesh !!! Here are some people in the West who believe that it is not fair for such a handful of people to maintain such vast territories. A whole theory was born, everyone knows it. So, the ICBM - this is a worthy tool that is able to persuade the appetite of amateurs to invent different theories!
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 39
      0
      Quote: mvg
      Do you really think that everyone is sleeping and seeing how Russia will get on its knees? Or maybe Leopold is not so wrong?

      mister nadezhdin ... good afternoon ...
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  • starper
    starper 21 February 2016 11: 59
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    You give Sarmat to fear the enemies, I’ll hurt my ears! :-) It took me joy to wait a long time, I was waiting for the appearance of this swallow, it doesn’t wait a little longer, the main thing is for the blue eye to go, like clockwork :-)
  • Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 21 February 2016 12: 07
    -1
    There is a good alternative to conduct a full test and install on platforms, the mines are outdated.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 21 February 2016 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      There is a good alternative to conduct a full test and install on platforms, the mines are outdated.

      Which ones? Do you know what alterations were made in the track facilities? Do you know why the American BZHRKs did not go? How will you mask them? Look in the Internet for a book: Mikhailov. "Strategic Well done."
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 21 February 2016 12: 07
    0
    The biggest doubts that come true later are when the tests pass without a hitch, pads and approvals. If everything is super, chiki-bunks - wait for trouble, because it cannot be, because it can never be.
    So for now, everything is through. With ICBMs, the case when you don’t have to rush ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 February 2016 12: 18
    +2
    Sarmat is a very serious missile. Can attack a target through the South Pole. Launch satellites. And to bring down on the enemy a whole tram of individual warheads and decoys. While the "Voevoda" is on duty, there is no need to rush. Although "throw" tests are not the most important, any deviations from the schedules are harmful! You cannot relax, "partners" are waiting for any manifestations of weakness.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 February 2016 19: 54
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Although "throw" tests are not the most important, any deviations from the schedules are harmful!

      Good evening! Throwing tests are essentially tests of the "gun": how the PAD will behave, whether it has enough energy to throw the VGM to a given height, then its withdrawal from the start line, the timeliness of "switching on" the 1st stage engine, the operation of mine equipment, etc. Probably, the cyclograms of the prelaunch preparation of the product are also being checked. Well, if the "Voevoda" was brought to a 62 second readiness for launch, then the "Sarmat" has already promised to make the old warrior "more agile". So, there is something to conjure with our Kulibins.
      About deviations from the graphs. It is normal practice for any new product to be returned. Not everything and not always can be foreseen. The main thing is that there are no "unsolvable", and subsequently "unresolved" problems after that! Not critical yet. Presumably, there is still time. Therefore, success and GOOD LUCK! to our missile masters. drinks
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 21 February 2016 12: 19
    0
    I do not like it, when the heads of all ranks, contrary to the opinion of specialists, talk in advance about the timing of something. Do not know, do not talk. ChSV let amuse at the expense of something else. If there was a man with a conditional Mauser behind the ruler’s back (such as a slave behind the back of the Roman emperor during the triumph), there would be no chatter.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: Gormengast
      If there was a man with a conditional Mauser behind the ruler’s back (such as a slave behind the back of the Roman emperor during the triumph), there would be no chatter.

      Korolev and Yangel would definitely not have existed, "if a man with a conventional Mauser stood behind the steward's back" and Russia would not have rocketry now. All would have been either shot or bent over in the felling. The first missiles exploded one after another, and then no, no, and the spent missile would explode. These people with "conventional" and not conventional Mauser are the first pests in the development of a direction in science unknown to mankind.
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  • Prager
    Prager 21 February 2016 12: 44
    0
    the main thing is not to rush, and gradually solve all problems
  • Panabebis
    Panabebis 21 February 2016 12: 52
    0
    Tests may also be in Plesetsk, but of course they will carry out their service where the thread is in the outback of Siberia, because of the European missile defense ... And it’s a pity to expose such a thing in the mine in the mine of the European part of Russia.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 February 2016 20: 26
      +1
      Quote: Panaebis
      of course, they will carry out their service where is the thread in the outback of Siberia, because of the Euro missile defense.

      Colonel O. Pyshny, head of department of the 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, said that "The necessary technical solutions for countering these missile defense systems are in our modern missile systems."
      The commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev, told the media that the new missile system will enter the Strategic Missile Forces in 2018-2020. The deployment of Sarmat missile systems is planned in Uzhur (Krasnoyarsk Territory) and Dombarovskiy (Orenburg Region) instead of RS-20 / R-36 / SS-18 SATAN missiles (announced on 25.12.2014).
  • demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 21 February 2016 12: 56
    0
    "Voevoda" is probably the first liquid-propellant missile of the post-Soviet period. Design Bureau Solomonov apparently has a very good lobby at the top, if we only accept solid-fuel missiles, even such as "Bulava"!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 21 February 2016 13: 31
      0
      Quote: demchuk.ig
      "Voevoda" is probably the first liquid-propellant missile of the post-Soviet period. Design Bureau Solomonov apparently has a very good lobby at the top, if we only accept solid-fuel missiles, even such as "Bulava"!

      Do you know how much headache you have with liquid rockets? The advantage of rockets on a liquid propellant rocket engine is that they have a higher momentum and power, and then there are continuous problems with toxic fuel and an oxidizing agent. And heaps of technical problems.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 February 2016 13: 01
    0
    And here I look at the photo of the mine cover and recall that I kind of read that with a real combat launch this cover does not open, but is simply thrown away by a directed explosion.
    This is true?
    Well, what about the topic of the article, so let them do it as it should, then read the article about the failure of the test in the event of malfunctions in the mine PU.
  • mvg
    mvg 21 February 2016 13: 08
    0
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Quote: mvg
    Do you really think that everyone is sleeping and seeing how Russia will get on its knees?

    But you yourself do not see this? Or do you think that the West is only sleeping and sees Russia strong and capable of deciding what to do? Read the story, watch the news and draw conclusions hi

    Andrei, be afraid .. The whole world is violet before you and Russia in general ... Everyone has their own life .., while in Europe, it is usually more interesting than in Russia .. Most Europeans are adequate .. They don’t need a nuclear war ...
    Well, Russia will be another state ... so what ... something will change ????
    Stop watching the Zvezda TV channel and others like it ...
    I just want my children to live in a civilized way .. well off, and not worry, fuck, crises, every 3-5 years ... It started to boil
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 February 2016 19: 06
      0
      Come on ... I also want to live in prosperity and in a civilized manner, and without crises every 3-5 years ... And I don't watch the Zvezda channel either ... request
      But just a small question arises - if all Europeans are adequate people, then why do they, with their democracy, allow people to be completely inadequate to power? Why do not you look at what kind of news - if they are not enemies, then they make fun of us? Why do they tell us what is good and what is bad? If they don’t want to fight with us like that, why do they not surround us with bases on all sides?
      So maybe what they say and what they do are completely different things. And if your words disagree with the deed, then this is called hypocrisy ... wink
      So if they had been violet before us, then they would not have climbed to Tula with their samovar, would not impose indelible sanctions, would not sculpt monsters from us.
      And I do not watch TK Zvezda, but I read and watch the news. And not only Russian, but also ours and European, and I am looking for information on overseas. I compare and draw conclusions ... So maybe not everything is so simple in the Kingdom of Denmark and everyone does not care about people's opinion? wink Therefore, yours do not coincide with my wishes for the world from the point of view of the rest of the type of civilized (read Western) world, which considers itself "more civilized" than the rest of the world. And their point of view is more correct and not subject to any criticism from outside. And you and I for them are barbarians who do not deserve to live on the land, which, by definition, should be governed by more "civilized" countries. Have you ever wondered? wink hi
  • mvg
    mvg 21 February 2016 13: 46
    -5
    [quote = Proxima] [quote = mvg] [quote = rurikovich]
    Do you really think that everyone is sleeping and seeing how Russia will get on its knees? Or maybe Leopold is not so wrong? [/ Quote]
    And you are in vain humor. EXACTLY, SLEEP AND SEE! You look at the map - Russia is the largest country in the world by area, and how many hydrocarbons do we have? But what about people living on it, do not tell me? I will tell you, in terms of population, we are inferior even to countries such as Nigeria, Pakistan and even dwarf Bangladesh !!! Here are some people in the West who believe that it is not fair for such a handful of people to maintain such vast territories. A whole theory was born, everyone knows it. So, the ICBM - this is a worthy tool that is able to persuade the appetite of amateurs to invent different theories! [/ Quote]

    I don’t need to tell me ... from the beginning just go through the education that I received ... then we'll see. (in secret. I can tell myself)
    Yes, the whole world poch on Russia, on its territory and hydrocarbons .. no, for now, in a world of overpopulation ..
    and what we spend on, fucking, Sarmatians can be more successfully invested in another industry ..
    Have you ever looked to the defense industry? or is it just interesting to read in the news how pak-fa is rapidly gaining height?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 February 2016 20: 40
      +4
      Quote: mvg
      from the beginning, just go through the education that I received ... then we'll see. (in secret. I can tell myself)

      About Trolyushko! And what is your "education" if you write comments with errors !?
      Oh great! And to what such "secrets" are you allowed that will plunge us into amazement !? Are you not a contactee, dear, with representatives of alien civilizations? Or maybe you are one of the inhabitants of Kashchenko? All powerful! belay
  • sabakina
    sabakina 21 February 2016 14: 02
    +1
    The throw test of the Sarmat ICBM was postponed due to the unavailability of the silo launcher,

    Damn Clinton !!!! In my Kostroma region, Soviet money was "buried" in missile silos ... But their mine is not ready !!!
    I remember I was at the "tearing" of one mine (metal was taken out by "metalworkers") ..... The radius of the mine struck .... They said it was a command mine ...
    Who is in the subject, location: Kostroma region, Krasnoselsky district, near the village of Borovikovo, subway.
  • Hecate
    Hecate 21 February 2016 14: 24
    +1
    It is for the better. It is better to think over and assemble a rocket well, in fear of enemies, so that it becomes powerful and reliable, the same as a solid-fuel YRS, all tests of which were successful, than to amuse everyone the way it was mocked with a raw Bulava rocket.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 February 2016 20: 45
      +1
      Quote: Hecate
      than to make everyone laugh like they’ve made to laugh with a raw Bulava rocket.

      Oh oh I know for sure: it was no laughing matter. Boreas could not be left unarmed. Solomonov lost his post because of her, the office stood on the horns, all the attackers were looking for ...
      And it is "raw" because it starts from under the water, although it has a "dry" start! bully
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 21 February 2016 15: 54
    0
    Everything is fine. Once the prototype is ready, then the mine should be in full openwork, the dangers of trouble begin.
  • Old26
    Old26 21 February 2016 18: 37
    0
    Quote: Rus2012
    Only there is a doubt that there is a mine of this type "In the North" (Plesetsk). If I remember verbally, there were only mines for solid fuel RT and under R-16

    Not available of course. There were test mines under RT-2 and RT-23. R-16 has long been most likely eliminated. And you have to rebuild the existing mine in silos type 15P718M (even if not in depth)

    Quote: Proxima
    Another thing is that SARMAT CANNOT REPLACE VOEVODA. "Sarmat" 100-ton rocket, "Voyevoda" - more than 200 tons. Unfortunately, Russia does not have the ability to produce such giants. But a replacement for the 100-ton Stiletto (RS-18) from the Sarmatian is worthy.

    "Sarmat" is not a 100-ton missile, but a 100-ton missile. Heavy starts at 106 tons. And a 100-ton class rocket can be a 101-ton, 150, or 199-ton rocket. But a rocket of 200 or 210 tons - already a 200-ton class

    Quote: Dim Bes
    Now, those unconventional people who "commanded" to blow up highly protected mines would have to squeeze the Faberge into a yew. And red pepper under the tail.

    And what do they have to do with it? Read the article of the contract, which describes the mechanism for the destruction of mines. What do the performers have to do with it?

    Quote: Spartanez300
    There is a good alternative to conduct a full test and install on platforms, the mines are outdated.

    Liquid, yes to the platform? You are a masochist, my friend ... Even in the USSR they didn’t think of such nonsense and insanity ....

    Quote: Panaebis
    Tests may also be in Plesetsk, but of course they will carry out their service where the thread is in the outback of Siberia, because of the European missile defense ... And it’s a pity to expose such a thing in the mine in the mine of the European part of Russia.

    One such outback will be in the Orenburg steppes (not very similar to the outback of Siberia)

    Quote: demchuk.ig
    "Voevoda" is probably the first liquid-propellant missile of the post-Soviet period. Design Bureau Solomonov apparently has a very good lobby at the top, if we only accept solid-fuel missiles, even such as "Bulava"!

    "Voevoda" is the last serial missile of the Soviet period. But "Sarmat" - yes, the first post-Soviet (Russian)
  • kind
    kind 21 February 2016 18: 50
    0
    I am amazed by all sorts of critics of the new. I want to ask them: Do you know how to do it ??? So tell us dumb. Tryndet- a lot of mind is not necessary.
  • GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 21 February 2016 22: 16
    +1
    This is from the same series with Vostochny, in spite of financing, it is not clear why the deadlines for commissioning launch facilities are shifting, there are really many questions ...
  • Disant
    Disant 21 February 2016 23: 38
    0
    Well, not all the same muscles show. where you can let your opponent think, pretending to be stunted.
    pure political statement.
    before, when they did not have time, "rockets were churned out like sausages," now "the mines are not ready."
    IMHO
  • Mixam
    Mixam 22 February 2016 13: 12
    0
    Quote: olegfbi
    who would read the thread when Plesetsk appeared .. in the 60s of the last century

    but, while systematic work, and without "surprises" it does not happen, given that the mine launcher is more than 40 years old

    Sloppiness consists in disrupting the work schedule!
    Yes, the mines are over 40 years old, that's true! But the truth is different, when planning work, scheduling, we MUST conduct an inspection of the control room and, according to its results, carry out the repair of the control room!
    Here it turns out that either they did not examine, or they did not examine it correctly enough, or knowing about the real state of the PU, they hoped "at random" and reported - They say everything will be fine and according to the schedule ...

    So.
    A preliminary survey at this mine was carried out in 2011.
    The design contract was concluded in 2011 (the main contractor is 31 GPISS). Advance in December 2011 - 80% (more than 100 million), among dozens of the same facilities. It was back in the days of Serdyukov and Naginsky. Money accordingly disappeared ...
    Further inspection and design "slipshod".
    According to the raw and not finished project, they went for reconstruction back in 2013. The main dismantling works were completed in 2014.
    Further, inconsistencies between the project and the fact began. Due to the open sabotage of the design organization and repeated refinements to the terms of reference from MIT (now we have everything according to contractual obligations, and 31 institutes found "many unaccounted works"), the completion dates have already been shifted several times.
    And in 2016, the rocket is ready, but the mine is not (.
    And it seems that no one is to blame now, and the one who profited on this well, quietly lives on and works in other government agencies. (
  • Old26
    Old26 23 February 2016 07: 49
    0
    Quote: Mixam
    Next, the project began to disagree with the fact. Due to overt sabotage of the design organization and repeated refinements to the terms of reference from MIT

    It’s not completely understood, and what is MIT? And which mine was reconstructed, from which product.