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So what is it, this Russian way - captivating and incomprehensible?

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This is not a complete list of crimes committed by Russians against the whole world:
- In 1802 and 1918. Russians treacherously bestowed sovereignty on Finland;

- In 1918, the cunningly presented, for the first time in stories, Latvians and Estonians, their own statehood;
- Poland restored its statehood twice with the help of Russia: in 1918 and in 1944;
- Romania was born as a result of the Russian-Turkish wars, and became sovereign by the will of Russia in 1877-1878;
- Bulgaria as a state was born as a result of the victory of the Russians in the Russian-Turkish war 1877-1878, in which the Russians defended the Bulgarian brothers. In gratitude, Bulgaria participated in the two world wars in the anti-Russian coalitions. Now she is a member of NATO, US bases are located on her territory;
- Serbia as a sovereign state was also born as a result of that war;
- Azerbaijan as a state took shape for the first time as part of the USSR;
- Armenia, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan remained only as part of the USSR;
- Mongolia never had a statehood and formed it only with the help of the USSR;
- Belarus and Ukraine for the first time gained statehood as a result of the Great October Revolution within the USSR. And in 1991, they got their complete independence from him;
- The independence of Switzerland won the 217 from France Suvorov years ago. And Switzerland has never fought since;
- Russia liberated Austria and Czechoslovakia from the Third Reich in 1945;
- Catherine the Second's support in 1780-83. The North American United States contributed to the defeat of England and the attainment of US independence;
- Twice in the last 2 centuries, Russia granted independence to most European countries, smashing the armies of Napoleon and Hitler;
- Stalin's position in negotiations with the United States and Britain gave Germany the opportunity to maintain statehood after the defeat of the Third Reich in 1945;
- Gorbachev’s position allowed Germany to unite in 1990;
- Without the help of the USSR, Egypt could not stand and consolidate its independence in the war with Israel, Britain and France in 1956-57. In 1967, the intervention of the USSR stopped the war of Israel against Egypt, in fact saved the Arabs from total defeat;
- Angola won its independence in 1975 only thanks to the USSR;
- Most of the colonies of Western Europe gained their independence thanks to the decolonization movement after the Second World War, in which the USSR played the main role ...

And you can also recall the role of Russia-USSR in the formation of such states as China, Vietnam, North Korea, India, Greece (was repulsed by Russia from the Turks in 1821), Algeria, Cuba, Israel (created by Stalin), Mozambique, etc. .

Such is the criminal and aggressive Russia - in the opinion of its current opponents. And if you look back at all of the above, it becomes clear why.
In the glorious history of Western countries - the colonization, the extermination of Indians and Indians, the seizure of black slaves and their sale to the "democratic" USA. In the history of Russia - the opposite is true. In all the territories annexed and patronized, she experienced rapid national, cultural, and industrial growth.

Take the same Mongolia. If Russia (in the face of the USSR) were walking along the path of the United States, it would have been easy to smack this helpless national education. But at the expense of Soviet specialists and irrevocable funds, the Mongolian nomads built the high-rise city of Ulan Bator, we gave them medicine, education, industry, etc. Of course, all this had political goals, but our way of achieving them and the Western one were radically different.
Imperial and Soviet Russia included other tribes and countries in their orbit by their ascent, and the West by their humiliation and genocide (American Indians, African negroes, Indians). Yes, such was the tsarist and Soviet dogma - “the white king” bestows, and does not take away! But we honestly followed it. And the western dogma was just the opposite - why today the West declares the entire Russian history to be criminal. And from his point of view, this is absolutely true: after all, Russia has always violated the Western law on the suppression and extermination of the weakest.

Today, due to our internal misfortunes and problems, we ourselves turned out to be a weak global link. And the West, in retaliation for our former generosity, immediately pulled out its punitive sword from the democratic sheath: at Russia! After all, she has disgraced the predatory western countries with her generosity for centuries - and now the time has come to get even. And instead of the hand of friendship that we gave to France after repelling her invader-Napoleon, Germany — after overthrowing her Hitler — we are now thrown into a vengeful nose.

But there is nothing to be offended by this and it is not necessary to expect that our “Western partners” will somehow come to their senses, hear our arguments and replace us with anger at the mercy. It will not happen. Only we ourselves, by our own efforts, will be able to return to the rank of a great power, sympathetic to the world with its historic mission - to lift from its knees oppressed countries and forgive them debts “by the right of the Russian nobility”.

And therefore it is necessary to drive the “Europeans” of Gref, Chubais, Kudrin and others like them with our helm. The “European way”, on which they are pulling us, is not really our way. On this way, we are only waiting for historical revenge from Europe, to which Ukraine has now subjected Ukraine, perceived by Europeans as a fragment of the Russian empire.

We turn "to the West" - we get exactly the same thing that stupid Ukraine has already received from this vengeful West. It is necessary to turn off exclusively on the especial, no matter how Grefs and Chubais would laugh at him, the way. We walked this path for centuries, overcoming all the current misfortunes. They need to go on and on - then all today's disgraces with which the historical examples of darkness, we will win by common will.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 21 February 2016 12: 34
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    Such is the criminal and aggressive Russia - in the opinion of its current opponents. And if you look back at all of the above, it becomes clear why.


    No one will ever appreciate this and rewrite the whole story and say it not thanks to Russia, but contrary to it, but we are not sorry and the truth will win.
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 21 February 2016 12: 38
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      but we are not sorry and the truth will win.


      I completely agree with you! We have always been taught that power is in Truth! And this is absolutely true !!!
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 21 February 2016 12: 40
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        what is it, this Russian way
        IN TRUTH, CONSCIENCE and JUSTICE!
        Not all is lost! Have not reached yet! We are on the WAY! But I hope we get there! Maybe not us, but children, grandchildren!
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        2. Inok10
          Inok10 21 February 2016 13: 09
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          Quote: Baikonur
          Not all is lost! Have not reached yet! We are on the WAY!

          ... in 1945, the USSR actually entered the borders of the Russian Empire, I.V. Stalin did not even forget Port Arthur, the exception was Poland and Finland ... in 1991 we did not lose the war, as our "Western partners in dialogue" are trying to convince us, we lost the battle, Russia under no socio-economic system, autocracy, socialism , capitalism does not suit the West while it controls its borders and resources ... it seems like capitalism is now, there is no ideological confrontation ... well, we still don't suit them! ... in it like Petrovich ... our leader is not the same and we think not so ... but, here Gorbachev and EBN suited them ... as before, as in Russia, there is turmoil or false dmitry what thread, then Europe is good ... the first dissatisfied with the first attempts to form the Russian state, there were gentlemen from Byzantium, they had to explain intelligibly, nailing a shield to the gates of Constantinople, and so from the 8th century to the present ... hi
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 23
            +5
            It should be remembered that the territory of the former Kingdom (Kingdom) of Poland, which was part of the Russian Empire, makes up only 40% of the territory of modern Poland, the borders of which were established in 1945. Plus Bialystok and a number of territories around it, which were not part of the Kingdom of Poland, now also include to the Republic of Poland. But, nevertheless, half of the territory of modern Poland has never been part of the Russian Empire, but was part of Austria and the German Empire (Prussia).
            The USSR included in Central Asia the territories of the former Bukhara emirate and the Khiva khanate, which were not part of the Russian Empire, but were its protectorate vassals. They also waxed the USSR before the war and shortly after it a number of other territories that were not by 1917. part of the Russian Empire: Northern Bukovina (Chernivtsi region), East Galicia (present Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions), Carpathian Russia (Transcarpathian region), part of former East Prussia - the current Kaliningrad region of the Russian Federation and the Lithuanian city of Klaipeda with surroundings (former Memel ) Plus returned South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, which in 1917 were not part of the Russian Empire. They lost southern Sakhalin as a result of the Russo-Japanese war; the Kuril Islands gave the Japanese back in 1875.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 21 February 2016 22: 39
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              Is it necessary to remember that citizens of the Grand Duchy of Finland were not subject to military service! And great profiting from smuggling! And the principality itself received native Russian lands because of what the border began to pass 330 km from Leningrad (Petrograd)!
              1. Seal
                Seal 21 February 2016 23: 22
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                And the principality itself received native Russian lands because of what the border began to pass 330 km from Leningrad (Petrograd)!

                What border are you talking about now?
            2. indulf
              indulf 23 February 2016 11: 29
              +2
              Do not forget about Alaska, California and Hawaii, their mother. They were also our, that is, Russian territories.
          2. Omelchuk
            Omelchuk 22 February 2016 20: 23
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            Quote: Inok10
            ... in 1945 the USSR actually entered the borders of the Russian Empire, I.V. Stalin did not even forget Port Arthur, the exceptions were Poland and Finland ... in 1991 we did not lose the war, as we are trying to convince "Western partners

            1. indulf
              indulf 23 February 2016 11: 32
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              Attach a plantain, since it is baking.
        3. guzik007
          guzik007 21 February 2016 13: 15
          -1
          Belarus and Ukraine first gained statehood as a result of the Great October Revolution as part of the USSR. And in 1991 they received complete independence from him;
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          But, if you recall the recent speech of our own self, then this is precisely what was blamed on Lenin from the mouth of himself. Moreover, with foam at the mouth was supported by many forum users.
          1. tolian
            tolian 21 February 2016 13: 52
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            Guzik, didn't he state a fact? Yes, Lenin planted a bomb near the USSR. More precisely, he foresaw a detonator in his passion. And the later rulers created the bomb. So it exploded. In general, the chain is like this. The Jew Trotsky with his permanent world revolution, then Stalin with the possibility of building socialism in one country. Well, what kind of socialism is there in a country surrounded by capital? Only tanks and rockets will help. And then Gorbachev, with faith in "universal human values" among the Anglo-Saxons and their hangers-on. And this is among those who opederaize families now. Who will burn not only Vietnam for a dollar. So we have the result - ka-a-a-a-kind of embarrassment !!!
            1. jaroff
              jaroff 21 February 2016 18: 23
              +8
              Allow me to quote myself on our forum a little earlier: "... a" gorbach "under such a regime, where, with a wave of the secretary general's hand, vineyards are cut down throughout the country, quite calmly, instead of an anti-alcohol decree, he could remake the Constitution. Since the" new community - Soviet people ", then the next step is logical - the abolition of the republican communist parties, the abolition of the union republics, a complete rejection of the national-territorial structure of the state and the transition to the administrative-district principle. And it would have been swallowed in 1985! The historical chance to make the country truly united and indivisible was missed.
              And now, even in the current Russian Federation, this national bomb has remained ... "
              February 23, 2015 21:32 | 7 fatal mistakes of Gorbachev
              1. Baikal
                Baikal 21 February 2016 21: 12
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                Already wrote and I will.
                According to the results of the 2 World War - we should have destroy all countriesincluded in the union with Germany and Germany itself as well. In a state sense and literally.
                Together with the population.
                Each time we leave them their lives, and each time we pay tens of millions of lives for our generosity.
                Our entire history speaks of only one thing - either one day we will do it, or they will destroy us.
                Without options.

                "European integration" of us.




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                2. velikoros-xnumx
                  velikoros-xnumx 22 February 2016 04: 26
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                  Quote: Baikal
                  Each time we leave them their lives, and each time we pay tens of millions of lives for our generosity.
                  Our entire history speaks of only one thing - either one day we will do it, or they will destroy us.
                  Without options.


                  They took it off the tongue. Unfortunately, in 1945 we did not finish what we had to. Actually, earlier, too, due to their excessive humanism, for which they always paid with the lives of their people. Unfortunately this was not understood and appreciated by our "partners". No matter how it sounds, the time has come to break the vicious circle of our humanism, otherwise every generation of the Russian people will pay an exorbitant price for its existence and independence. Today I see no other way. Why do our people have to pay an exorbitant price every time for ambitions and misunderstanding of Europe? In the event of our defeat in 1945, and earlier too, no one would have regretted us, and this is a well-known truth. It's time to understand and protect YOUR people. And in the end, provide him with a stable bright future without millions of losses. Well, they don't understand otherwise.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 22 February 2016 08: 10
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                    Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                    Unfortunately in 1945 we did not finish what we should have. Actually earlier, too, due to its excess humanism

                    Destroyed, along with the States, many empires, though among the lurid humanists. How to mischief in Ukraine
                  2. shamil
                    shamil 22 February 2016 23: 03
                    +3
                    I am ashamed of db for such words. Thoughts live their own lives. but for the pronounced db ashamed. This is what the European thinks and does, we have the wrong path.
                3. shamil
                  shamil 22 February 2016 23: 00
                  +4
                  You have already been poisoned by the West, I hope this is only external, superficial. We must understand the mentality of our peoples. If one of the Russians begins to clean up the territory, in fact, genocide, he will not live long. This is contrary to the essence of man. The West lives by purposefulness, we are "in truth", in which there is strength. And we are losing precisely because we fall into the traps of the imperialists. And various secretaries of the CPSU are being sold.
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 26
                +5
                Probably, in 1985 and even under Brezhnev in 1977 it was no longer possible to abolish the union republics, their communist parties, and even more so to completely abandon the national-territorial structure of the state.
            2. Pilgrim07
              Pilgrim07 22 February 2016 18: 15
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              In short, everything around you is to blame, but not our rulers! That poor thing, the capitalists surrounded Stalin !!!!! And from where did they just suddenly come from ???
              And most importantly! - they have damned them, they have managed to build this socialism more than ours !!! Here is a paradox!
            3. Pole
              Pole 23 February 2016 15: 22
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              Guzik, didn’t he state a fact?
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              tolian, he stated only the stupidity of his own speechwriters. At that time, everyone was aware that RI --- with all its wild, right along Zhirinovsky centralization --- collapsed at lightning speed, in 3 days. After which it became obvious to everyone that the only way to build a stable state was the consent of the peoples that constituted it. Consent on the basis of the Red Project and the system of Soviets, on which the skeleton of a union state was built softly, almost imperceptibly.

              Then for the first time in history --- there was no precedent --- the empire scattered in dust and rubbish in February 1917, the empire revived almost within its former borders. Moreover, having managed to fend off along the way from such a trifle as general aggression of the whole world, from the USA to Japan and from Germans to Greeks.

              So by 1922 there was no other option than the USSR. Who does not believe --- look at the "White Guard", it very enlightens the head. And then the fault of us, ungrateful and careless descendants, that we allowed 1991 and gave the nomenclature to again tear everything apart into separate bantustans.
          2. indulf
            indulf 23 February 2016 11: 35
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            All Volodya correctly said about Comrade Blanca, Tokma was green, soft.
        4. Irokez
          Irokez 21 February 2016 14: 51
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          what is it, this Russian way
          IN TRUTH, CONSCIENCE and JUSTICE!
          Not all is lost! Have not reached yet! We are on the WAY! But I hope we get there! Maybe not us, but children, grandchildren!


          I will upset you a little. There is no final path and it will never work and therefore the path will be eternal in thorns and stars, in good and bad. It’s like a black stripe and a light one that changes all the time. This is life, and descendants will also overcome their barriers and receive their joys. But in any case, everything will be fine because such is life.
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          2. gavrosh.ru
            gavrosh.ru 24 February 2016 03: 03
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            very well formulated. almost perfect, but ...
            THROUGH THE THORNES TO THE STARS must be led by CORRECT leaders, otherwise the originality of the PEOPLE will overwhelm reality with zero efficiency.
        5. sherp2015
          sherp2015 21 February 2016 22: 31
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          Quote: Baikonur
          what is it, this Russian path IN TRUTH, CONSCIENCE and JUSTICE!


          Definitely in the first place in justice.

          And therefore it is necessary to drive “Europeans” Gref, Chubais, Kudrin and others like us from our helm


          If only a headstock, forelock and curly ...
          I believe that the whole government, which is useless and harmful in essence for our people, needs to be driven immediately. To recruit from decent ordinary not cunning people of the Russian heartland, not spoiled by the .. (b) .. moral liberal-mercantile infection
        6. cap
          cap 22 February 2016 01: 43
          +1
          Quote: Baikonur
          what is it, this Russian way
          IN TRUTH, CONSCIENCE and JUSTICE!
          Not all is lost! Have not reached yet! We are on the WAY! But I hope we get there! Maybe not us, but children, grandchildren!


          I agree with you. I’ll add that every cat remembers whose fat it ate, while making an innocent look. Who, to whom and by what history will tell sooner or later hi .
        7. sa-ag
          sa-ag 22 February 2016 06: 31
          +4
          Quote: Baikonur
          In truth,

          only now everyone has their own truth
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 21 February 2016 13: 45
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        We have always been taught that power is in Truth! And this is absolutely true !!!


        Only now, I would like to know what this truth is? If in this:

        Only we ourselves, with our own strengths, will be able to return to the rank of a great power, a pretty world to our historical mission - to raise oppressed countries from our knees and forgive them debts “according to the right of the Russian nobility”.


        , then excuse me, for some reason I do not want to teach the truth to blacks and other Arabs, moreover, to lend them something and suddenly forgive. I want the truth for my people. I want beautiful cities to appear in Russia, like in China, that connect good roads, so that our old people do not count coins at the checkout of a cheap store, digging in a cellophane bag, I want that we do not have orphanages, I want clean rivers and well-groomed fields. And I want a lot more. And to the grave I saw this "great mission", together with all its ideologues, who, at the cost of the welfare and, incidentally, the strength of their state, fertilize with happiness some Latvians and other Limpopo tribes. Zadolbali missionary
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 21 February 2016 14: 20
          +6
          Asadullah, (hello to the same people!) To get what you want, you have to once again defend your "independence" (the word completely discredited itself), the right to your vision of life. And now, through no fault of ours, we are at a critical point. I hope that, as always, we can find the right paths and the right actions. Russia is already in action.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 21 February 2016 14: 48
            10
            And now, not our fault, we are at a critical point.


            Salam, salam, dear! I think that the critical point is very arbitrary, but the question is not where we are today. Today's situation is a state of war, albeit not the hottest, but in war as in war. The question is where will we be tomorrow. God forbid, if we enter tomorrow with this missionary idea to bring a ray of truth into the world of American lies. For this whole world accepts truth or falsehood only with a load in the form of crispy bills. And the more of them, the more sweet face they will applaud your truth or lies. Russia owes first of all to itself, and in the second and third. And at the very last, sell to those who wish what remains. It is to sell. Even the truth. It is now expensive.
            1. Igor V
              Igor V 21 February 2016 16: 37
              +4
              I agree that the critical point, thanks to the "partners", has turned into our normal existence. But every action has a practical interest, for example, it is better to meet with the enemy in Syria, without waiting for him to come to us. In a global sense, Russia needs to remain itself, and this will be the best "missionary work". Several years ago I listened to an interview with a representative of the Cyprus Embassy. He said that in the days of the USSR "we thought that you had an earthly paradise, and tried to come to study." He was asked if his opinion changed when he got here? No, he says, it hasn't changed. smile
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 21 February 2016 18: 08
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                it’s better to meet the enemy in Syria without waiting for him to come to us.


                The war in Syria does not fall under the categorical nature of my judgments, because this is just a practical method of working "for oneself." Every ruble spent on the war in Syria is a huge commission in the future. This is a stable price for hydrocarbons and an opportunity for speculative capital to influence the market. But only in case of unconditional victory. But the construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey is the transfer of nuclear technologies to the enemy, which by the way is not done even by the Americans to the Turks, and the financing of the entire energy market of the country, which is the worst enemy of Russia, the most cunning enemy and the most probable enemy. That I mention wherever they can listen from the 91st year. With the money already spent, it would be possible to make a modern commercial port from Baltiysk, separating it from the naval base, and from KO to make a cannery for the whole of Russia.

                By the way, the investment in Rusnano, as it was fiercely criticized here, actually turned out to be very effective, and now Chubais, rolling up his sleeves, with furious fuss a la the nineties, is bankrupt the lithium battery plant in order to then redeem it with his assets as unprofitable. The company "owes" only three incomprehensible offshore companies, on inflated obligations. This is where the real war must be started on all fronts. This is the real mission of both the state, the leadership and all citizens.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 21 February 2016 18: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  But the construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey is the transfer of nuclear technology to the enemy

                  This is not the same thing. The IAEA is watching. On fingers it is. Have a car - drive. But! only control is available and then with restrictions. The rest is sealed.
                  Well, in general, the dream of a blonde. You won’t break the rules, complete maintenance, refueling, etc. without leaving the car.
                  By the way, Turkey was caught exchanging enriched uranium in exchange for conventional from Iran. That is, Turkey had technologies
                  1. Asadullah
                    Asadullah 21 February 2016 20: 24
                    +6
                    That is, Turkey had technologies


                    Many laboratory experience technologies at the level of laboratory experiments. But nuclear power is an entire industry. It cannot be built on enthusiasm and publicly available information. A country in which there is self-sufficient nuclear energy can enter the nuclear club without the strain of science and economics, it already has almost everything, and it remains only to change the scheme of work. Help Turkey in this, was an act of a fool, which is worse than betrayal.
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 21 February 2016 21: 06
                      +3
                      Quote: Asadullah
                      Many laboratory experience technologies at the level of laboratory experiments. But nuclear power is an entire industry.

                      Enrichment of uranium is not a fig, not laboratory experiments. But I agree. This industry and Russia, France and the United States does not tolerate competitors
              2. Pilgrim07
                Pilgrim07 22 February 2016 18: 25
                0
                something about the Cypriots who are eager to study, work in Russia, and have never met in our current media!
            2. Igor V
              Igor V 21 February 2016 16: 37
              +1
              I agree that the critical point, thanks to the "partners", has turned into our normal existence. But every action has a practical interest, for example, it is better to meet with the enemy in Syria, without waiting for him to come to us. In a global sense, Russia needs to remain itself, and this will be the best "missionary work". Several years ago I listened to an interview with a representative of the Cyprus Embassy. He said that in the days of the USSR "we thought that you had an earthly paradise, and tried to come to study." He was asked if his opinion changed when he got here? No, he says, it hasn't changed. smile
          2. Wheel
            Wheel 21 February 2016 23: 25
            +6
            Quote: Igor V
            we must once again defend our "independence" (the word completely discredited itself), the right to one's vision of life. And now, through no fault of ours, we are at a critical point. I hope that, as always, we can find the right paths and the right actions. Russia is already acting.

            Yes, it does ... sad
            And spends on these actions 2 billion raccoons a year ...
            The fact is that a large number of government bodies in Russia are controlled by Western consulting and audit companies. It is these organizations that write action plans for our ministers; they are the ones who conduct the audit. In other words, foreign companies require ministries to report on all transactions and plans, even representing a state secret.
            here is a short list ...

            Central Bank: PricewaterhouseCoopers Audit (PwC) auditor. The developer of the risk management system is Oliver Wyman.
            Ministry of Finance: KPMG, Deloitte.
            Minstroy: attracted Deloitte & Touche CIS, PricewaterhouseCooper Russia B.V., PricewaterhouseCooper Audit, PricewaterhouseCoop Consulting, and KPMG CJSC.
            Ministry of Transport: PriceWaterhouseCoopers.
            Ministry of Economic Development: KPMG, Deloitte.
            Russian Ministry of Industry: PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte.
            The Federal Property Management Agency, the Ministry of Education and Science: PriceWaterhouseCoopers.
            FAS, Rosfinnadzor: Deloitte.
            Minsport: KPMG, PriceWaterhouseCoopers.
            Ministry of Natural Resources, Ministry of Communications: Ernst & Young.
            Department of Education: PriceWaterhouseCoopers.

            Big business:

            Sberbank of Russia: Ernst and Young.
            VTB: Ernst and Young.
            Vnesheconombank: Ernst and Young.
            Agricultural Bank: Ernst and Young.
            Gazprombank: KPMG.
            Combined aviastr. building: KPMG.
            Uralvagonzavod: KPMG.
            Rosneft: Ernst and Young.
            Gazprom Neft: PWC.
            Transneft: KPMG.
          3. Pilgrim07
            Pilgrim07 22 February 2016 18: 22
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            only here he "defend" from Obama and Merkel!
            And others are from Putin and his power vertical.
            So where is the truth? from whom to defend?
        2. Inok10
          Inok10 21 February 2016 19: 58
          +5
          Quote: Asadullah
          I want beautiful cities to appear in Russia, as in China, that connect good roads, so that our old people do not count coins at the cash desk of a cheap store, delving into a plastic bag, I want us to have no orphanages, I want clean rivers and well-groomed fields.

          ... I welcome Kamrad Asadullah ... hi ... The Russian people want this from the 8th century, as I already wrote ... that's just one problem . on these future roads and fields Russian all the time to cry who the threadthen Byzantium, then the Teutonic Knights, then the Swedes, then the Poles, then the French, then the descendants of the Teutons ... when there are good roads and neat fields ... well, no one canceled the Russian-Lithuanian princedom, as well as redeemed Kurland and adopted from the Swedes Finland ... hi ... the first one who was against the partition of Poland was the Tsar of Russia ... Russia has a lot of land, but we won’t scatter it ... especially since it’s from centuries past ... hi
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 21 February 2016 20: 17
            +5
            Russia has a lot of land, but we will not scatter it


            I wish you good health, dear! For this, there is military construction, as a means to preserve what we have. And the policy of state egoism, automatically, should take care of what belongs to the Russian people. But this has nothing to do with the philosophy of the Russian World, these are instruments of statehood. For me, the philosophy of the Russian World, or in line with the article "Russian way", is shame... Shame of the rich before the poor, the strong before the weak, the clever before the stupid. But only within your own country. I am not ashamed of the poor, weak and stupid Nigerian. And I absolutely do not care how he relates to the truth or to lies. So here I am "non-cosmopolitan" and not a carrier of the mission to open the eyes of strangers and distant, at the expense of my own and those close to me.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 21 February 2016 20: 42
              +4
              Quote: Asadullah
              For me, the philosophy of the Russian World, or along the lines of the article "Russian way", is a shame.

              ... from what ?! ... somehow I was not ashamed of living with Latvians in a communal apartment in Riga in the late 80s with stove heating, cold water and a cesspool on the street and this is the center of Riga ... for me they are not Nigerians, but quite their own and close ... hi
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 21 February 2016 20: 59
                +5
                Quote: Inok10
                ... from what ?! ...

                ... and in continuation of which the Russian man should be ashamed of what belongs to him by right! ... the Baltic states, Finland, Poland? ... Anglo-Saxons, Germans and French should be ashamed, who have been trying for several centuries with varying success to select MY PRINCIPAL! . THIS IS MY LAND!... maybe the city of Yuryev (now Tartu), is this the original Swedish? or Chukhon-Estonian? ... do not make me laugh ... laughing
              2. Asadullah
                Asadullah 21 February 2016 21: 07
                +9
                from what ?! ... somehow I was not ashamed of living with Latvians in a communal apartment in Riga in the late 80s with stove heating, cold water and a cesspool on the street and this is the center of Riga ... for me they are not Nigerians, but quite their own and close ... hi


                In the late eighties .... in the late eighties we were one. And today, the post-Soviet republics, these are largely droplets of mercury of the USSR, which can merge into one whole without tension. My mention of one or another nationality, purely rhetorical, for the sake of words. The Russian people are the remelted parts of the machine of the USSR, and believe me, if we create a strong, rich and wise state out of this steel, all those whom the catastrophe of the collapse of the USSR swept away will return there. Or their children. At the end of the eighties, I was already in the UNA, the premonitions were not deceived.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 21 February 2016 21: 23
                  +5
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  And today, the post-Soviet republics, these are largely droplets of mercury of the USSR, which can merge into one without tension.

                  ... I will support, but I will mention the Russian Empire and Vivat ... drinks
                2. sa-ag
                  sa-ag 22 February 2016 06: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  post-Soviet republics are largely droplets of mercury of the USSR, which can merge into one without tension.

                  Well, what can you, no, they can’t, they don’t want to be more precise
            2. dauria
              dauria 21 February 2016 23: 27
              +2
              But only within your own country. I am not ashamed of the poor, weak and stupid Nigerian. And I absolutely do not care how he relates to the truth or to lies. So here I am "non-cosmopolitan"


              Everything seems wonderful. And the Nigerian is to blame. No, he was not robbed. Just unlearned, stupid, lazy (however, like all, if not educated smile ) Well, nafig, Nigerian, let him as he wants. Or maybe we’ll put up a fence from all Nigerians and educated Europeans? Ah, you can’t ... trade is necessary. And bananas do not grow with us. Buy from a Nigerian, they agree to work for a penny. Ah, don't you agree? So agree, force. Why worry about them? About your family, loved ones, honest, bashful laughing we will worry. So here we are, selectively kind bashful.
              Yes, only there are already such on the planet, the same USA. And a bunch of others. So you are a real "cosmopolitan" - with such a "philosophy" you cannot tell a Russian from a snickering John after a generation. hi
              Sorry for the harshness.
          2. Pilgrim07
            Pilgrim07 22 February 2016 18: 31
            +1
            it's all your fault ... over the hill.
            The European countries did not climb out with the same warrior, but we have something left in the remnant of the opposite.
            For you, enemies still seem to be surrounded by conspiracies. Or maybe still look in the mirror ??? And the enemy is actually nearby.
          3. Al1977
            Al1977 24 February 2016 09: 35
            0
            Quote: Inok10
            there’s only one problem ... on these future roads and fields the Russians are constantly screaming who the thread

            It is possible in more detail, on the absence of the Moscow-Peter road..normal road, who will get sick? As you wrote: Byzantium, then the Teutonic Knights, then the Swedes, then the Poles, then the French, then the descendants of the Teutons.
            As they said in the famous film "from it like, Kuzmich".
            So maybe the videoconferencing is allowed here, and not the Syrian roads to guard?
      3. Ludendorff
        Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 00
        -3
        Quote: olegfbi
        I completely agree with you! We have always been taught that power is in Truth! And this is absolutely true !!!

        You have always been taught, that’s right. And the best teachers and rulers were Europeans. In the photo, Tsar of Russia Nicholas II and King of England George V, cousins.
        1. Andrei946
          Andrei946 21 February 2016 21: 00
          0
          One more brother is missing: Kaiser Wilhelm II
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    3. Civil
      Civil 21 February 2016 12: 41
      -66 qualifying.
      - In 1802 and 1918. Russians treacherously bestowed sovereignty on Finland;

      And before that, how did she get to RI ??? The communists leaked the Finns.
      - Poland restored with the help of Russia its statehood twice: in 1918 and in 1944

      And before that, how was Warsaw in the Russian Empire?
      - Azerbaijan as a state took shape for the first time as part of the USSR;
      - Armenia, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan survived only as part of the USSR;

      And before that, where were they? Did they ask?
      Czechoslovakia

      And in 1968, who drowned them in blood?
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 21 February 2016 12: 53
        28
        And in 1968, who drowned them in blood ?,
        such as you, give free rein - Russia will be drowned in blood. go and communicate with universal people.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 13: 19
          12
          - In 1802 and 1918. Russians treacherously bestowed sovereignty on Finland;
          And before that, how did she get to RI ??? The communists leaked the Finns.
          laughing laughing laughing communists? before? until 1802 year? yapstalom !!! wassat
          1. atalef
            atalef 21 February 2016 13: 29
            -12 qualifying.
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            - In 1802 and 1918. Russians treacherously bestowed sovereignty on Finland;
            And before that, how did she get to RI ??? The communists leaked the Finns.
            laughing laughing laughing communists? before? until 1802 year? yapstalom !!! wassat

            Well, not the Communists, but the Decembrists (and maybe the Decembrists roused Herzen, Herzen launched revolutionary agitation) i.e. it means vseravno communists.
            .
            * give the communists Finland and they pr ... ut. *
            Otto von Bismarck

            wink
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 13: 49
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              Well, not the Communists, but the Decembrists (and maybe the Decembrists roused Herzen, Herzen launched revolutionary agitation) i.e. it means vseravno communists.
              .

              I didn’t understand a buoy, but it sounds cool! yes
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              2. atalef
                atalef 21 February 2016 13: 54
                +4
                Quote: Andrew Y.
                Quote: atalef
                Well, not the Communists, but the Decembrists (and maybe the Decembrists roused Herzen, Herzen launched revolutionary agitation) i.e. it means vseravno communists.
                .

                I didn’t understand a buoy, but it sounds cool! yes

                Andrew, the main thing is that Bismarck said about this.
                And still
                While in Finland there will be expensive Vodka, drunken chukha will be lying on the streets of St. Petersburg
                VANGA
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 21 February 2016 18: 13
                  +5
                  While in Finland there will be expensive Vodka, drunken chukha will be lying on the streets of St. Petersburg


                  Sholom dear! You can’t even imagine how deep the meaning of these words is! As for the entire global economy.
                2. Tusv
                  Tusv 21 February 2016 19: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  And still
                  While in Finland there will be expensive Vodka, drunken chukha will be lying on the streets of St. Petersburg
                  VANGA

                  Well, so that the Finns do not wallow in the streets and do not decompose our face moral he built the Druzhba hotel in Vyborg
                  1. Seal
                    Seal 21 February 2016 23: 35
                    +7
                    Well, so that the Finns do not wallow in the streets and do not decay our moral character, he built the Druzhba hotel in Vyborg

                    An Estonian is walking through the Kadriorg park. He sees - a drunken body is lying, clothed and so on. The Estonian wrinkled his nose and so it was "Ugh, again this Russian Vaska got drunk like a pig and wallows."
                    Goes on. He sees another body. Even more clothed, and even sucked. The Estonian looked and so respectfully "Oh, Hämälainen is resting."
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 22 February 2016 08: 15
                      -1
                      "Estonian is coming"
                      And where does the Estonian
                3. 2С5
                  2С5 22 February 2016 08: 25
                  0
                  laughing laughing laughing good ... Wang will not say nothing!
            2. sa-ag
              sa-ag 22 February 2016 06: 39
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Well, not the Communists, but the Decembrists (and maybe the Decembrists roused Herzen

              Well this is Marx in 1848 a famous manifesto wrote
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          3. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 21 February 2016 13: 37
            +8
            Do not laugh at "Civil" .. Expressed his position, a complete ignoramus ..
          4. Kazbek
            Kazbek 21 February 2016 20: 19
            -6
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            - In 1802 and 1918. Russians treacherously bestowed sovereignty on Finland;
            Ksta request the question is, how could Russians give sovereignty in the 1918 year if, according to the text, it was already presented in the 1802 year repeat ?
            And if for garlic, then the Russians did not give anything to the finals. Those took their sovereignty themselves with arms in hand. With him, they defended him .. Everything else is "tales of a drunken sailor" ..
            "Peacocks are talking .." (c)
            1. Ludendorff
              Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 42
              -2
              Quote: Kazbek
              By the way, how could the Russians grant sovereignty in 1918 if, according to the text, it was already presented in 1802?

              You did not recall how the Russians presented the whole of Poland to the Germans. And under the pretext of resuming the war, Germany forced the interim government of the Russian Empires to sign a humiliating treaty. And also forgot that Lenin is a gift from Germany.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 February 2016 21: 57
                +1
                "Lenin is a gift from Germany."
                It was with this gift that the Kaiser choked (Germany became Weimar ..) and ran away to Holland, where he lived modestly until the Wehrmacht arrived, and for some reason he didn’t even want to return to Germany as a private person
                1. Ludendorff
                  Ludendorff 22 February 2016 05: 34
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  "Lenin is a gift from Germany."
                  It was with this gift that the Kaiser choked (Germany became Weimar ..) and ran away to Holland, where he lived modestly until the Wehrmacht arrived, and for some reason he didn’t even want to return to Germany as a private person

                  You should read how the First World War for Russia ended than what nonsense to write.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 22 February 2016 08: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Ludendorff
                    You should read how the First World War for Russia ended than what nonsense to write

                    Nemchura went to Narva and Pskov. Ogrebla from valenkaf. Tomorrow is the birthday of the Red Army.
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 22 February 2016 12: 00
                    0
                    And for Germany what? Exactly the same as for Russia - defeat and collapse
                2. Pilgrim07
                  Pilgrim07 22 February 2016 18: 40
                  0
                  Yes!!! Germans experimented! laughing
                  Marx and Engels theory in Germany itself did not come in handy, did not take root, but this stupidity just perfectly got along in tsarist Russia. (I constantly ask myself the question - why are we ????? After all, there were a lot of countries in Europe, why did God punish us with this ideology ??? !!!)
                3. Pole
                  Pole 23 February 2016 15: 40
                  +1
                  "It was with this gift that the Kaiser choked."
                  --------------

                  I completely agree --- politics should be able to count to 2. Where the Bolsheviks organized revolutions --- we bend our fingers: (1) --- Russia, (2) --- Germany, (3) --- Austria-Hungary. Well and (4) --- reconciled with the Turks so that those 97 years did not fight.

                  Translated into Russian, this means that Lenin cynically and humorously used the gullible, useful idiots from the German General Staff. That is, if the Bolsheviks also received money from them (to which, unfortunately, there is no and cannot be --- all the finances of the CPSU (b) then someone was in charge of Stalin, and no one could ever surpass him as a conspirator) - - So, if they received, then this can be regarded as the most successful throwing of German intelligence in its entire history.
            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 21 February 2016 21: 16
              +4
              Quote: Kazbek
              And if for garlic, then the Russians did not give anything to the finals. Those took their sovereignty themselves with weapons in their hands. With him they defended him

              Bullshit ... In 1802 year-GIFTED some freedoms Alexander 1 (in vain, but so wanted) in the conquered ordinary Swedish province — could not have been granted — didn’t anyone join and give nothing?
              The Provisional Government dispersed their "parliament" like partridges in krr and canceled everything. And it was Lenin who later recognized their independence - after the VOR - immediately .. Where is the "weapon", in what legs? fool And then they beat each other, red and white Finns, but this was already their internal affair.
            3. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 32
              0
              Finland became part of the Republic of Ingushetia not in 1802, but in 1809.
            4. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 22 February 2016 18: 28
              +2
              Quote: Kazbek
              By the way, the question is, how could the Russians grant sovereignty in 1918 if, according to the text, it was already presented in 1802

              Read the story dear. This refers to autonomy within the framework of the Russian Empire, its own constitution, a parliament with a common autocrat on the basis of a union.
              As part of Sweden, aggressive processes of assimilation of Finns were going on, teaching and management only in Swedish, Finnish was practically prohibited. But here the Russians appeared completely at a wrong time and the Chukhonians slept from oblivion, giving them what they never had — their own state. With the Baltic states a similar story. And what now ??? We do not need anyone's gratitude, but honesty and objectivity would not hurt. The Lord is their judge.
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            6. Seal
              Seal 22 February 2016 19: 31
              +1
              And if for garlic, then the Russians did not give anything to the finals. Those took their sovereignty themselves with arms in hand. With him, they defended him .. Everything else is "tales of a drunken sailor" ..

              Where's the garlic? Forgive me, who do you think the Finns took their sovereignty with arms in hand? That is, who was it to the Finns who so fiercely did not give sovereignty that, in your opinion, the "finals" had to take it up in arms?
        2. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 21 February 2016 13: 30
          10
          This "Civil" is bad, and maybe he taught history from Soros's textbooks .. Finland was a province of Sweden and by the way the Finns were rotten there .. The Russian empire took under its protection the Chukhonts, they, as well as the Poles, had a lot of freedoms, up to their own Parliament ... Well, Russia would not have Warsaw, the Kaiser would. The countries of Transcaucasia were on their knees, begging to take them under protection from the Persians and Turks ..
          1. Seal
            Seal 22 February 2016 19: 37
            +3
            The countries of the Caucasus were on their knees

            There were no countries in Transcaucasia at that time, except for Persia and Turkey. Before us were those Persian or Turkish vassals of Armenian or Georgian origin who, with the help of Russia, wanted to consolidate their "leading" and "guiding" role over the Padishahs (Persian and Turkish) subjects entrusted to their care, on their knees.
            1. genisis
              genisis 24 February 2016 13: 34
              -1
              On our knees stood those Persian or Turkish vassals of Armenian or Georgian origin.

              That is, no Azerbaijanis were on your knees at that time?
              Where did you share them, my dear?
              I really don’t know how to interpret your nonsense))))
              If someone has problems with memory, I can remind you. Until 1917, on the Armenian Highlands, they bordered: the Ottoman Empire, Persia and the Russian Empire. And there were no more state borders there. I don’t know who “you” were before whom “Georgians and Armenians were on their knees” - but, apparently, you really were someone great, since with one phrase you powerfully removed from the historical memory the very existence of the Transcaucasian Turks with a funny nickname ” Azerbaijanis ".
              They apparently did not have time to kneel before you, because until 1936 they did not even know that they were called "Azerbaijanis".
              1. Seal
                Seal 24 February 2016 17: 38
                -1
                Quote: genisis
                That is, no Azerbaijanis were on your knees at that time?

                I wonder what this Armenian with the nickname "genesis" wanted to say to me?
                I replied to this comment
                The countries of Transcaucasia were on their knees, begging to take them under protection from the Persians and Turks ..

                Nick Genesis is unhappy that I did not mention Azerbaijanis. negative
                It follows from this that he believes that in the list of countries that were on their knees before our Empire, there should have been Azerbaijan, which did not mention good
                But literally right away he starts talking about "but there were no Azerbaijanis at all." what
                Listen, nickname "genesis" - can you tell more clearly what you are unhappy with? fool

                But the most important thing is that he (nick genesis) builds his claims in general from scratch. Because it was the Azerbaijanis (Caucasian Tatars, Lezghins, and so on, in general, other nationalities living both in the territory of present-day Azerbaijan and in the territory of present Dagestan) that they did not ask for anything. We conquered these lands in fair battles. And they became ours at the tip of our Russian bayonet.
                But the Georgian and Armenian local authorities (leaders) - those yes, exactly what they asked, kneeling in a literal and figurative sense.
                And also in order of educational program. Azerbaijan, so hateful to you, existed much earlier. Since there is a mention of him in the Turkmanchayskolm Treaty of 1828. See "Selected articles to the peace treaty between Russia and Persia Turkmanchay, February 10 (22), 1828".
                Article III
                In order to provide e.v. Emperor of All-Russian timely
                and full payment of the said compensation, high contracting
                the parties agreed that up to the final payment of eight
                kururov fogs the entire province, called Azerbaijan, will remain
                under the direct authority of the Russian troops and will be controlled
                exclusively in the interests of Russia

                And if what honor is called the territory of Asia, for example, Georgia, then the inhabitants of this territory can be called Georgians, despite the fact that in fact they are kakhs, manholes, menhrels, Svans, and so on.
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 21 February 2016 12: 54
        34
        Quote: Civil
        - In 1802 and 1918. Russians treacherously bestowed sovereignty on Finland;
        And before that, how did she get to RI ??? The communists leaked the Finns.
        Before that, the Swedes were taken away.
        Quote: Civil
        - Poland restored with the help of Russia its statehood twice: in 1918 and in 1944
        And before that, how was Warsaw in the Russian Empire?
        Thanks to its, to put it mildly, short-sighted policy. Reached.
        Quote: Civil
        - Azerbaijan as a state took shape for the first time as part of the USSR;
        - Armenia, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan survived only as part of the USSR;
        And before that, where were they? Did they ask?
        There were in Russia. Armenians and Georgians, for example, were saved by the Russians from genocide, allowing them to survive as nations.
        They didn’t ask, but nobody asked for the collapse of the Union. 78% of citizens of the USSR March 17, 1991 supported the preservation of a single country.
        Quote: Civil
        Czechoslovakia
        And in 1968, who drowned them in blood?
        So they "drowned", sho as much as a pep - 108 killed by the Czechs, 112 killed by the OVD Armed Forces, of which ours - 96. Bloody carnage, yeah. Compare with the current Donbass. In addition, the USSR could not give Czechoslovakia to NATO. Big geopolitics, you know.
        1. Ludendorff
          Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 06
          -7
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          78% of citizens of the USSR March 17, 1991 supported the preservation of a single country.

          Let's take Armenia. Ally of the Russian Federation. On September 21, a referendum was held on secession from the USSR and the establishment of independent statehood with the question: “Do you agree that the Republic of Armenia be an independent democratic state outside the USSR?” 95% of voters participated in the vote and 99% of voters voted for Armenia to leave the composition of the Soviet Union.
          And in Moscow they wanted jeans and Coca Cola. We draw conclusions.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 35
            +7
            And a significant part of those who voted for independence of Armenia and their children live either in the Russian Federation, or in European countries, or in the USA.)) And they are not going to return to Armenia, they love their homeland in absentia.))
          2. jan
            jan 21 February 2016 22: 10
            +5
            Similar whores-golosovashki and now exist-Makarevich. Akhidzhakov. And other Jewish establishment.
          3. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 21 February 2016 23: 07
            +6
            Quote: Ludendorff
            Let's take Armenia

            Let's take it. And also Georgia, Moldova and the three Baltic republics - they either boycotted the referendum, or held a vote to leave the Union instead of a referendum. Do you think this fact is not known to me? However, the nine union republics and Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria, which joined them, expressed their will - to be a renewed Union! By and large, it formally exists even now. After all, legally the end of its existence has not been fixed anywhere.
            Quote: Ludendorff
            And in Moscow they wanted jeans and Coca Cola. We draw conclusions.
            They wanted to. Some wanted so much that they went to Germany for such nishtyaks. Right, Herr General? We draw conclusions. Better teach Frau Merkel to cook cabbage soup. For your new dark-skinned fellow citizens. What do you call them there? "Germans-plus", if I'm not mistaken?
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 22 February 2016 08: 40
              +1
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Better teach Frau Merkel cabbage soup.

              Bourgeois say that what for we fill the salad with meat bouillon. Miserable
          4. Seal
            Seal 21 February 2016 23: 37
            -3
            Let's take Armenia. Ally of the Russian Federation.

            Hmm, we also found an "ally". She is a brazen freeloader, not an ally.
            1. garnik64
              garnik64 22 February 2016 00: 28
              -2
              I read your comments (the battle of Manzikert). Obviously you belong to the people whose support. The Turks (mercenaries) betrayed, and did not fight to the end. Yes, a lot of taken out of context. Remember, Armenia has never betrayed Russia. Unfortunately, the opposite has happened more than once.
              1. cyber
                cyber 22 February 2016 06: 31
                +4
                gamik64, you would immediately give a list of this "MORE ONCE", so as not to be unfounded.
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              3. Seal
                Seal 22 February 2016 16: 37
                +2
                As I said, if an Armenian somewhere meets a comment that he does not like, all other nationalities immediately disappear in his eyes and only Turks or Azerbaijanis remain laughing
                Remember that I believe that Russia's interests are above all. And Russia's interests are above the interests of Armenia. And I just prove it.

                To play the system of checks and balances, like any other game, a political game, must be profitable.
                So far, there, in the Transcaucasus, the conflict is smoldering, from which we will be supposedly equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore towards NATO. And thus give the opportunity to Europe and the Ukrainians to build all sorts of intrigues, such as Chinese transit or deliveries of Turkmen gas to Ukraine and further to Europe.
                And the Armenians will constantly untwist us for money, under their high-profile songs that they are our only friend and ally in Transcaucasia.
                What is our national interest here? Constantly losing money directly (gifts from Armenia) and indirectly (the transit that was supposed to go through us goes by us).
                In fact, Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.
                I show this with a simple example.
                Let's imagine that Georgia has already joined NATO and see what is more dangerous for us:
                a) if Azerbaijan then joins NATO
                b) if Armenia then joins NATO

                If Armenia joins NATO (when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear. Well, or we can assume that Turkey’s NATO member has yet another area in the east of the country.

                But if Azerbaijan joins NATO when Georgia is already there, then look at the map. From Iran, we instantly become cut off. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Do we need it?
                It is vitally important for us to urgently change the vector of policy from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us).
                By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut the eggs to Ukraine and Georgia, which have already hopped for rail transit to China past Russia (wagons from the ports of Ukraine carry wagons to the port of Batumi, from Batumi the wagons go by rail to Baku, there they again roll them back to ferry and ferry goes to Kazakhstan. And from there, as it should be - cars on rails roll to China).
                And if Azerbaijan falls out of this chain, then to hell with it, and not Chinese transit. There is no one to replace Azerbaijan. Armenia has no access to the Caspian Sea.

                And Armenia ... is located in such a way that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea - this is through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains.
                It is beneficial for us that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !!
                And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan to ourselves, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries to loosen at least a little bit of the rope that ties it to Russia, then the Armenians may again begin to take Karabakh.

                This is the interest of Russia.
                I understand, this is cynical. But useful. And for us, bloodless.
                1. garnik64
                  garnik64 22 February 2016 22: 04
                  0
                  We probably read different books. In World War I, more than 1 thousand Armenians were called up to the ranks of the Russian army. They almost all fought on the western front. After the Bolsheviks arrived, on the southern front the Russian troops surrendered their positions, thereby leaving the Armenian population unprotected. the turn that helped the Russian army, and took cities in Western Armenia. Armenia fought alone with Turkey, with the Caucasian Tatars and the Georgian brothers. Denikin - this commander knew who the friend was who was the enemy. He helped the Armenians with ammunition, although he did not have much to do with it. Glory to Russia! Glory to Russian weapons! These words can be scanned from the peoples of the CIS, only Armenians. Do not flatter yourself about Azerbaijan. After they shot down the su-250, they took the side of Turkey. Sorry, I can’t convince you with your comments. You already have it. Read the Armenian version of the story. You will come to the truth by interpolation.
                  1. Seal
                    Seal 22 February 2016 22: 32
                    0
                    We probably read different books. In World War I, more than 1 thousand Armenians were called up to the ranks of the Russian army. They almost all fought on the western front.

                    Let's separate the flies from cutlets. Even if this is true, does this somehow cancel the fact that the Armenians in Transcaucasia during the period from August to October 1914 did their utmost to help the Germans drag Turkey into the war on the side of Germany? And due to the fact that Turkey still managed to drag into the war, according to the Germans themselves, Germany did not give up before the end of 1916. From here (due to the protracted and boring people of the war) - and the revolution and the Bolsheviks. So that, as they say, for which they fought.
                    In 1917, our army disintegrated on all fronts. And I absolutely see no logical reason why our soldiers, leaving all other fronts, should definitely continue to fight in Transcaucasia. For the protection of the Armenians? Are they to us, dear, or what? Moreover, they themselves helped the Germans drag Turkey into the war? So now deal with the Turks yourself. But our soldiers and the house were full of affairs.

                    Well, for the sake of correctness - can you provide a proof about 250 Armenians called up to the Western Front?

                    About the downed SU-24. The most disgusting thing is that joyful squeal that went up on all Armenian sites. Screeching about what happened, of course, with the expression of condolences on the occasion of the death of our pilot and the Marine. But how much joy there was in their screams on the topic that "We told you" and "Now Russia will understand ..".

                    When committing a crime in 99% of cases, the offender or customer of the crime is the one who ultimately received the greatest benefit from this crime. So think and tell, only honestly, who benefited from the fact that our SU-24 was shot down.
                    And what the Armenians can chant, so look here:
                    http://stringer-news.com/publication.mhtml?Part=48&PubID=15314

                    And further. I perfectly understand that the Armenians have long learned to sing wonderful songs about their great friendship to the Russian people. But let's look not at words, but at deeds. And what do they say? From which former Soviet republic did ours (Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, and generally Russian-speaking, such as the Mari or Udmurts) have been forced to leave (flee) in the highest percentage of the number of people living there at the beginning of Gorbachev’s reign?
                  2. Seal
                    Seal 22 February 2016 22: 51
                    0
                    Do not flatter yourself at the expense of Azerbaijan

                    Absolutely not flatter myself. Therefore, I write that

                    It is beneficial for us that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !!
                    And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan to ourselves, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties it to Russia, then the Armenians may again begin to take Karabakh. This is the interest of Russia

                    Sorry, nothing personal. Politics is a dirty and cynical affair. But the state interests of Russia are above all. Armenia will be useful to us as a scarecrow for Azerbaijan. But only after we tightly bind Azerbaijan to Russia.
                  3. Seal
                    Seal 23 February 2016 06: 19
                    0
                    Sorry, I can’t convince you with my comments.

                    With such unsubstantiated, stamped comments that you give - you generally cannot convince anyone of anything. Let’s begin to provide not stamps and your standard "Yes, you are an Azeri (Turk)", but evidence-based and logically verified arguments in your comments - then we'll see. Maybe I'll change my mind.
                    Well, for starters, try to logically explain what we have to do with this in yours:
                    .Alone Armenia fought with Turkey, with the Caucasian Tatars and the Georgian brothers

                    Well fought - and fought. What is it for us ??? We then in the very center of Russia, on the native Russian lands, waged a fierce civil war. Yes, and the troops were driven out first by the German-Austrian, then the Entente troops. Well, what was it up to us that somewhere in the Transcaucasus, all three regions separated from the Russian Empire began to fight with each other? What do you think we should abandon all our affairs and run to help one of you? And it’s for you against everyone else, and not for example, the Georgians or the Caucasian Tatars against you?

                    Did Denikin help you? Yes, this is his own business. Although I strongly doubt this statement of yours. How could he help you then when you, as now, were locked from all sides in your mountains? The entire coast is in the hands of Georgians or Turks. You have problems with both. In short, let's begin to embed at least some evidence with your answers.
              4. Seal
                Seal 22 February 2016 19: 14
                0
                Battle of Manzikert

                And what doesn’t suit you? Am I inventing something from myself? Here is an academic dictionary
                http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/811780
                Here it is written
                The right flank was almost immediately defeated, as a detachment of Armenian mercenaries immediately took to flight and therefore almost completely survived. On the contrary, the Turkic mercenaries of the emperor’s army held the defense until the very end

                What's wrong ?
                Here is the Chronicle of Michael the Syrian.
                http://www.drevlit.ru/texts/m/mihail_sir_15.php#37
                Mikhail Syrian is one of the largest Syrian medieval historians, the patriarch of the Jacobite (Monophysite) Church of the East in 1166-1199. (also known as Michael the Great).

                Here is the text
                Emperor Diogenes boastfully declared that he would prevail over the Turks, capture their king and burn him.
                / During the beginning of the battle / unexpectedly there were disagreements between the noble Greeks and the emperor. The Armenian soldiers whom they wanted to force to accept their heresy were the first to take flight and turned their backs on the battle. Then the Turks, thanks to their good unity, defeated the Greeks. When both sides were mixed in the battle, one of the sons of the sister (nephews) of the sultan, who was near him, also wished to take part in the battle, but the sultan did not allow. Insisting on his own and repeating his request in different ways, he obtained permission and went down / from the hill /. Emperor Diogenes came across to him, who, being very strong and brave, continued to remain on the battlefield, although a considerable part of his nobles, along with the Armenians, left him and fled.

                What is wrong here? Write down Michael Syrian in Azerbaijanis? Or to the Turks?
        2. Seal
          Seal 22 February 2016 19: 45
          -1
          Armenians and Georgians, for example, were saved by the Russians from genocide, allowing them to survive as nations.

          Can you tell us in more detail about who and when the genocide of Georgians and Armenians was, that we had to save them (when, specify) from the "genocide"?
      3. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 February 2016 12: 54
        11
        Quote: Civil
        And before that, where were they? Did they ask?


        Hmm ... It's like accepting an expensive gift, and then admiring it to shout, I supposedly did not ask ...
        Quote: Civil
        And before that, how did she get to RI ???

        They were part of Sweden, and got there by force ...
        Quote: Civil
        - Azerbaijan as a state took shape for the first time as part of the USSR;
        - Armenia, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan survived only as part of the USSR;

        Read about big Turkistan ... Armenia and Georgia in general are a separate issue ...
        Quote: Civil
        And in 1968, who drowned them in blood?

        The rebels had a place on the gallows, it always has been, which is quite fair.
      4. EvgNik
        EvgNik 21 February 2016 13: 16
        +4
        You, the Civilian (not a citizen, not a patriot, and most likely despising the country and people) cannot understand this.
      5. Igor V
        Igor V 21 February 2016 13: 23
        +3
        Civilian, apparently you didn’t understand anything. In Russia they have always spared the wretched; they will also regret you.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 21 February 2016 17: 12
          +1
          They did not regret it ..
      6. vovanpain
        vovanpain 21 February 2016 13: 24
        15
        Yes, these are we civil companions, but such were our great-grandfathers when they saved Georgians, Armenians, Bulgarians, Mongols, Koreans, and the same Little Russians from the same Poles with their lives, the list is long, with OUR LIVES our fathers and grandfathers saved you and me, including from the brown plague, it is correct in the article to say how many sovereign states appeared thanks to RUSSIA, well, some Ivanes just don’t remember kinship and gratitude, but God alone will not understand you, and no one keeps you, go away wherever you want, along with the Grefs, Kudrins, Chubais and other universal people, don’t spit on Russia and history yet, it’ll spit on Russia, Russia if it spits it off to hell.
      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 February 2016 14: 21
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        And before that, where were they? Did they ask?

        if regarding Armenia, Georgia and Kazakhstan, then yes, they asked
        about the Finns generally wrote nonsense
      8. tolian
        tolian 21 February 2016 14: 38
        +3
        Civilian, why do you go public with your questions ?. You yourself answer them honestly. Weren't the psheks in Moscow, incited by the "civilized" West? And all your other questions give off elementary illiteracy. You need to read more. On these issues - historical literature. Only not historians-chemists like Svanidze and Mlechin. And, for example, the scale of Dmitry Likhachev. Otherwise, you will be stupid to flaunt your questions with arrogance and stubbornness.
        1. 2С5
          2С5 22 February 2016 08: 37
          0
          ... damn it, it's a troll from the censor! They make a clumsy stuffing and for every "sign of attention" in their direction from 2 to 10 Baku euros they get ... What are you, comrades members of the forum, do not know the common truths and methods of the State Department in the information war?
      9. your1970
        your1970 21 February 2016 15: 50
        +6
        especially in 1968 they directly drowned Czechoslovakia in the blood ....
        "According to modern data, during the invasion, 108 were killed and more than 500 wounded citizens of Czechoslovakia in the vast majority civilians
        In total, from August 21 to September 20, September 1968 combat losses Soviet troops numbered 12 people killed and 25 wounded and injured. Non-combat losses for the same period - 84 dead and dead, 62 wounded and injured. " civilians inflicted

        Just for comparison, what can 1 people do

        Anders Behring Breivik (Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik; genus 13 February 1979) - Norwegian terrorist, nationalist [4], Protestant fundamentalist [5] [6], organizer and executor of the bombing in the center of Oslo and the attack on the Norwegian youth workers' camp 22 July 2011 year. As a result of the attacks 77 people died and 151 were injured.
        On February 11 of 2015, Anders Breivik sued the Norwegian government and demanded that he be transferred to a common cell, since, in his opinion, solitary confinement is contrary to the European Convention on Human Rights.
        1. vsoltan
          21 February 2016 18: 47
          0
          your1970

          Maybe Breivik what a visionary?
        2. 2С5
          2С5 22 February 2016 08: 41
          +1
          ... he had to be transferred to a common grave IMMEDIATELY! And now they are kept alone for the time being until they come in handy, and then they will be transferred to the general one, so that his "talent" is not wasted in vain and, while working out his content around the neck, the budget will become the same as he teach ... shsha such "non-people" not scattered ...
      10. V.ic
        V.ic 21 February 2016 16: 19
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        And in 1968, who drowned them in blood?

        How many barrels were there?
      11. vlad-58
        vlad-58 21 February 2016 16: 47
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        - In 1802 and 1918. Russians treacherously bestowed sovereignty on Finland;

        And before that, how did she get to RI ??? The communists leaked the Finns.
        - Poland restored with the help of Russia its statehood twice: in 1918 and in 1944

        And before that, how was Warsaw in the Russian Empire?
        - Azerbaijan as a state took shape for the first time as part of the USSR;
        - Armenia, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan survived only as part of the USSR;

        And before that, where were they? Did they ask?
        Czechoslovakia

        And in 1968, who drowned them in blood?

        Most of those listed by you themselves, according to the decisions of their "ruling elites," came under the arm of the Russian tsar. ... and often paid for the provided - mostly military - assistance with black ingratitude! The cultures of the peoples were practically not touched by the "Russian newcomers".
      12. hartlend
        hartlend 21 February 2016 21: 06
        +1
        Study from Thorium and find the answers.
        1. asiat_61
          asiat_61 21 February 2016 22: 58
          -1
          Does Thor need to study? I understand correctly?
      13. jan
        jan 21 February 2016 22: 02
        0
        woodpecker, how about knowledge of history then?
      14. Seal
        Seal 21 February 2016 23: 28
        +1
        And before that, where were they? Did they ask?

        And before "that" they had no sovereignty at all. And at least Georgians, Armenians and Kazakhs - exactly what they asked for. Perhaps the Turkmen did not ask.
        And in 1968, who drowned them in blood?

        And what, was there a lot of blood?
        1. 2С5
          2С5 22 February 2016 08: 43
          0
          ... the Turkmens always somehow kept on and on and do not live badly ... how many Turkmen guest workers have you met in Russia? That's it ... wink
          1. your1970
            your1970 22 February 2016 21: 25
            0
            Outbound visas are very robust - that’s why there are no Turkmen or students, mostly ..
      15. 2С5
        2С5 22 February 2016 08: 24
        +1
        RI vapsche nobody asked for anything, she came, she defeated everyone and left and took nothing with herself, and she throws up those who helped to defeat the shanezhki even though they don’t ask, forgives debts, ruins her guys ... or Yankees affair! Yes, Civilian? U, B! negative
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 42
      19
      in the list of Russian "shoals", Poltava is not mentioned, where we have offended the Swedes for nothing ... and also, we did not treat the Kwantung army in a "boyish way".
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 21 February 2016 13: 27
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        in the list of Russian "shoals", Poltava is not mentioned, where we have offended the Swedes for nothing ... and also, we did not treat the Kwantung army in a "boyish way".

        Yes, China is on the list! There, in 1935, our pilots fought.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 21 February 2016 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Igor V
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          in the list of Russian "shoals", Poltava is not mentioned, where we have offended the Swedes for nothing ... and also, we did not treat the Kwantung army in a "boyish way".

          Yes, China is on the list! There, in 1935, our pilots fought.

          And they forgot about Miklouho - Maclay.
          * As long as Papua remembers Maclay, no one can defeat them *
          Clausewitz.

          .
          1. vlad_vlad
            vlad_vlad 21 February 2016 19: 43
            0

            atalef (8) IL  Today, 13:33 ↑

            And they forgot about Miklouho - Maclay.

            * As long as Papua remembers Maclay, no one can defeat them *
            Clausewitz.

            .


            Do you have a quote generator program there? on any topic and taste + random author?
            share yes
            1. andj61
              andj61 21 February 2016 20: 07
              +1
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              Do you have a quote generator program there? on any topic and taste + random author?
              share

              Try to take it from your head .. repeat
              If it doesn’t work out, ask atalefa. It is possible that for a glass of red he will help you with quotes! wink
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 21: 28
                0
                Quote: andj61
                Try to take it from your head ..
                If it doesn’t work out, ask atalefa. It is possible that for a glass of red he will help you with quotes!

                And better in triplicate (Caucasian captive).
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        3. sa-ag
          sa-ag 22 February 2016 06: 41
          0
          Quote: Igor V
          There, back in 1935, our pilots fought.

          in general, everything has been there since 1927
      2. Igor V
        Igor V 21 February 2016 13: 27
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        in the list of Russian "shoals", Poltava is not mentioned, where we have offended the Swedes for nothing ... and also, we did not treat the Kwantung army in a "boyish way".

        Yes, China is on the list! There, in 1935, our pilots fought.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 21: 26
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        in the list of Russian "shoals", Poltava is not mentioned, where we have offended the Swedes for nothing ... and also, we did not treat the Kwantung army in a "boyish way".

        I will mention about the Poles who visited Moscow in troubled times. What did they need in Moscow? Who offended them so much? Maybe they still consider Russia a part of Poland?
        1. Seal
          Seal 21 February 2016 23: 43
          0
          I will mention about the Poles who visited Moscow in troubled times. What did they need in Moscow

          Poles are more careful here.
          The first time the Poles came with Dmitry. Which then began to be called "False Dmitry".
          Then Semiboyarschina already invited Prince Vladislav to the Moscow throne. True, his dad Sigismund later changed his mind, and decided that he himself could be both the king of the Speech of Pthoy and the Russian Tsar. So he had to admonish.
    5. Proxima
      Proxima 21 February 2016 12: 44
      +5
      Quote: cniza
      they will rewrite the whole story and say it not thanks to Russia, but contrary to

      Our "fault" is (as in Krylov's fable), "WHAT THEY WANT TO EAT", and we have "too much" territory with hydrocarbon reserves. THIS IS WHAT OUR WESTERN "FRIENDS" are choking with saliva.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 21 February 2016 13: 16
        -8
        Quote: Proxima
        we have “too much” territory with hydrocarbon reserves.

        YOU are direct Patrushev 2.0 .. and that the price has fallen so on hydrocarbons in the first place. secondly, we ourselves drive to the west so. that sometimes we don’t leave ourselves ...
    6. sever.56
      sever.56 21 February 2016 12: 48
      21
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/186/nvuu926.jpg

      But such a "path" for the Russians, Russia, prepared and successfully implemented
      into life "liberal" and "common man" Tolik Chubais ...
      I think that these words, like nothing else, reflect the blue dream of all
      "liberoids" of Russia.
      How is liberal fascism different from Nazism? Yes, nothing moreover
      that then external enemies wanted to destroy us, and now internal ones whom
      begins to mangle and break from the words "Russia", "Russian", as
      devils from holy water and the cross !!!
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 21 February 2016 13: 20
        -6
        Quote: sever.56
        How is liberal fascism different from Nazism?

        So it turns out we live in the most liberal fascism ??? Holy is holy))) You already define the concepts - the president is a liberal, a liberal government, the policy of Chubais-Gaidar continues, and at the same time all the patriots are funny ??
        1. Andrei946
          Andrei946 21 February 2016 21: 10
          -1
          [quote =] How is liberal fascism different from Nazism? [/ qute] Nazism is just the ideological shell of fascism, like bourgeois liberalism. And with the concept of a liberal president, it’s still necessary to figure out how liberal he is.
    7. maxim1987
      maxim1987 21 February 2016 13: 13
      -2
      Quote: cniza
      No one will ever appreciate this and rewrite the whole story and say it not thanks to Russia, but contrary to it, but we are not sorry and the truth will win.


      God sees everything
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    9. My doctor
      My doctor 21 February 2016 14: 05
      -7
      - In 1918, insidiously presented, for the first time in history, Latvians and Estonians their own statehood;
      During World War I, tsarist Russia was forced to promise sovereignty to the Baltic states for their active participation in hostilities. It was the national idea and allowed to maintain discipline in units based on nat. sign, later the service of the Latvian battalions and took advantage of Lenin. But still forget about the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty. In fact, no one asked Russia anything at that time. Then there will be the Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1920. etc.
      But if you continue to abuse the ideas of the article, then Russia could render even greater service lounging into the Caucasian, Tatar, Karelian, Kaliningrad and Siberian state formations. In general, the author greatly abuses our ignorance of the reasons for the emergence of independent states.
      By and large, it can be written about the Roman Empire as well, that it voluntarily contributed to the formation of European states.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 21 February 2016 15: 04
        +6
        The point is a different approach to the natives. Western civilizations saw them as slaves, and the Russians tried to help them in something. The Russian embassy in Japan in the 1850s brought as gifts gifts mirrors and cloth (woolen cloth), which the Japanese did not have. When the Russians came to the Tungus, Yakuts and other Chukchi, the first thing they did was to create the alphabet and writing, and when they came to Central Asia, they began to defend the weakest formations from the stronger ones. With these methods, great authority was won among indigenous peoples. Westerners are alien to this approach. Authority they recognize only armed. What we see in history and today.
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 21 February 2016 15: 36
          -8
          Just living in Kaliningrad, you can write about the Tungus, Yakuts and other Chukchi. Ask them about the yasak when you come across them in the taiga.
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 21 February 2016 18: 58
            +2
            Chiysana, I know that the Tungus are Evenks, and I began to treat the Chukchi with respect, having studied the epic of salvation of the Chelyuskites, and I myself lived 4 years in Ulan Bator. You did not understand the essence of my answer. I didn’t mean any specific nationality, because for a Russian person this is not very important, it is important what a person is. It was not necessary in the taiga, but in the Pamirs every meeting with a stranger was a joy. True, in Soviet times.
            I visit the AsiaRussia website, I know how the same smiling Mongols, who remained in my memory, now hate Russians. All this superficial, do not be like them.
          2. Igor V
            Igor V 21 February 2016 18: 58
            0
            Chiysana, I know that the Tungus are Evenks, and I began to treat the Chukchi with respect, having studied the epic of salvation of the Chelyuskites, and I myself lived 4 years in Ulan Bator. You did not understand the essence of my answer. I didn’t mean any specific nationality, because for a Russian person this is not very important, it is important what a person is. It was not necessary in the taiga, but in the Pamirs every meeting with a stranger was a joy. True, in Soviet times.
            I visit the AsiaRussia website, I know how the same smiling Mongols, who remained in my memory, now hate Russians. All this superficial, do not be like them.
          3. 2С5
            2С5 22 February 2016 08: 47
            -1
            ... and having a mattress on your avatar, you can write about everything and bend everyone down, like a "world authority and leader" ... negative
        2. Ludendorff
          Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 16
          -3
          Quote: Igor V
          The point is a different approach to the natives. Western civilizations saw them as slaves, and the Russians tried to help them in something. The Russian embassy in Japan in the 1850s brought as gifts gifts mirrors and cloth (woolen cloth), which the Japanese did not have. When the Russians came to the Tungus, Yakuts and other Chukchi, the first thing they did was to create the alphabet and writing, and when they came to Central Asia, they began to defend the weakest formations from the stronger ones. With these methods, great authority was won among indigenous peoples. Westerners are alien to this approach. Authority they recognize only armed. What we see in history and today.

          Well, the West did not make slaves from its population, unlike you yourself know whom.
          1. Seal
            Seal 22 February 2016 00: 01
            +1
            You have a wrong understanding of "serfdom".
            Serfdom is a law that defines the inextricable connection of a peasant with the land, and not with the master. Serfdom has nothing to do with the slave trade. The landowner could not sell the serf to another village to another landowner. Yes, one landowner could sell or lose the whole village with cards along with serfs. So what ? But what, now you never know the owners of enterprises that sell or lose their cards, enterprises, factories and factories. Well, the owner of the factory and the factory has changed - what about simple workers? The new owner will only change top management. So before. I bought one landowner and another village - the maximum that he can do is put in a new estate manager. And that’s all. Even the number of days that a peasant is obliged to work for a landowner (corvée) was established by the highest commandments (king).
            French prisoners in August 1814 were allowed to return home. Those who do not wish to return were allowed to accept Russian citizenship with the choice of estate. And many freedom-loving Frenchmen preferred to sign up not as state peasants, but as serfs.
            “For a considerable number of Frenchmen, the life of a serf in Russia was much more attractive than being a so-called free person in France. First, the French were in a privileged position compared to other peasants - the authorities treated them with special care and attention. And secondly, they had social rights, which, say, the workers of manufactories in France did not have. In Russia, if a peasant went bankrupt, the master helped him with grain and cattle. If a peasant's house was on fire, the whole community gathered and rebuilt him.
            In France, mired in civil wars for a quarter of a century, the Napoleonic soldier would have to start life from scratch, and in Russia he was immediately given his own home, and beautiful women - maidens and widows - were in abundance. "
            And further. Serfdom never covered more than 50% of the total number of Russian peasantry. Serfdom did not exist at all in the northern provinces (in Pomerania), in Siberia (beyond the Urals), in the lands of Cossack troops, in the Baltic states and Finland. And in the central provinces, where there was serfdom, a significant number of peasants were listed under the imperial surname (state peasants) - they were precisely state, not serfs.
            And among the rest of the serfs, many villages were on quitrent, which involved the participation of peasants in latrine industries. That is, once a year the village paid the dues to the master (and the dues were not to be lifted up strongly by the authorities - for this the authorities, including the elected nobility, made sure that he did not get out of average) - and the peasants of the quitrent village had the right to walk (work) at least throughout Russia, to earn money for the next dues. Many eyewitnesses testify that the quitrent peasants used to become so rich that the landowner himself was no good for him. Many were redeemed. And many did not want to, even if their landowner was forced to bathe. I do not want to bathe - and that’s it. And the landowner could not do anything with such peasants - since he knew that the share of the peasant in the total rent of the whole village was from 2/3 and above.
            1. Ludendorff
              Ludendorff 22 February 2016 05: 36
              +2
              Quote: Seal
              You have a wrong understanding of "serfdom".

              Well, the dead souls of Gogol say otherwise.
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              2. Seal
                Seal 22 February 2016 09: 37
                +1
                Well, the dead souls of Gogol say otherwise.

                Not at all. Do you remember this work well? How did it all start?
                From the assignments he got to clap about laying several hundred peasants in the Board of Trustees. The estate was upset to the last degree. It was upset ... For this reason, it was finally necessary to lay the last remaining estate. Treasury Mortgage there was then still a new affair, on which they decided not without fear. Chichikov, as an attorney, having disposed of everyone who follows, he explained that this, incidentally, was a circumstance: half of the peasants had died out, so that there would be no bindings afterwards ...
                - Why, they are listed in the revision tale? - said the secretary.
                “They are,” Chichikov answered.
                “Well, so why are you fucked up?” - said the secretary, - one died, the other will be born, and everything is good for the case.
                Our hero was struck by an inspirational thought that had ever crossed the human mind. “Oh, I'm Akim, simplicity,” he said in himself, “I am looking for mittens, and both are behind the belt!” Yes, I buy all of these that have died out, have not yet submitted new revision tales, buy them, let’s put a thousand, yes, let’s put it, the board of trustees will give two hundred rubles per capita: now two hundred thousand to the capital! And now the time is convenient, recently there was an epidemic, a lot of people died out, thank God. The landowners played on the cards, wrapped up and scrolled as it should; everything climbed to Petersburg to serve; the estates are abandoned, administered no matter how, taxes are more difficult to pay every year, because I will gladly give them away just because I don’t have to pay per capita money for them. Of course, it’s difficult, troublesome, scary, to somehow not get it, not to deduce from this story. Well, after all, the mind has been given to man for something. And the main thing is good, that the object will seem incredible to everyone, no one will believe it. True, without land you can neither buy nor mortgage. Why, I will buy a conclusion, a conclusion; Now the lands in the Tauride and Kherson provinces are given away for free, only populate. There I will resettle them all! to Kherson them! let them live there! And resettlement can be done legally, as follows in the courts. If they want to examine the peasants: perhaps I am not averse here, why not? I will also provide evidence for the handwritten signature of the commander. The village can be called Chichikova settlement or by the name given at baptism: the village of Pavlovsk. "

                The landowners received the right to their estates (land and serfs attached to it) lay in the treasury. That is, give as a pledge to the state, and by and large - to the sovereign. Which was one of the reasons for the abolition of serfdom - at the time of its holding, most of the landowner estates were probably already pledged to the state. But it was possible to lay, once again, precisely NAME - and the land and peasants attached to it. It was impossible to lay peasants separately from the land.
                And this swindler found, as it seemed to him, a legal way to buy without land - to bring his "dead souls" under the state program of settling new lands in southern Russia. But in order for the authorities to give the go-ahead for the purchase of peasants for the "withdrawal" - Chichikov had to submit documents on the availability of land in him in the Kherson or Tauride province. And here the corpus delicti - Chichikov was going to bribe an official - the police captain, who would sign a certificate that Chichikov had land in the Kherson province.
          2. 2С5
            2С5 22 February 2016 08: 51
            +2
            ... well, outside of Russia, kaneshno, there was no serfdom ... it was just the most harmless slavery and slave trade ... this is business, can this be understood, yes, Herr Ludendorff?negative
      2. Igor V
        Igor V 21 February 2016 15: 04
        0
        The point is a different approach to the natives. Western civilizations saw them as slaves, and the Russians tried to help them in something. The Russian embassy in Japan in the 1850s brought as gifts gifts mirrors and cloth (woolen cloth), which the Japanese did not have. When the Russians came to the Tungus, Yakuts and other Chukchi, the first thing they did was to create the alphabet and writing, and when they came to Central Asia, they began to defend the weakest formations from the stronger ones. With these methods, great authority was won among indigenous peoples. Westerners are alien to this approach. Authority they recognize only armed. What we see in history and today.
        1. Michael67
          Michael67 21 February 2016 15: 48
          +1
          The Russian way is the path of honor, glory and truth.
          And the west went crazy under the guidance of a handful of celestials who dream of decreasing population.
          1. Ludendorff
            Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 11
            -5
            Quote: Michael67
            The Russian way is the path of honor, glory and truth.

            And who overthrew the king? Until now, many Russians wish to return under serfdom dreaming of being under the Empire. Oh boyars are not on you.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 42
        0
        Tsarist Russia promised the Baltic states not sovereignty, but self-government and autonomy. By the way, partially self-government already existed. This is a difficult question. It should be understood that a number of figures, and a significant part of the population of the national suburbs in 1917-1918 and subsequent years, advocated the independence of their territories not because they really wanted to gain independence, but because of the desire to isolate themselves from the Bolsheviks, from Bolshevik Russia.
    10. Ludendorff
      Ludendorff 21 February 2016 19: 47
      -6
      Quote: cniza
      No one will ever appreciate this and rewrite the whole story and say it not thanks to Russia, but contrary to it, but we are not sorry and the truth will win.

      And why do you not thank the Vikings? They taught everything in due time, especially Rurik. And Genghis Khan? After all, the Mongols built a state for you? Where is the gratitude? Fortunately, Channel 1 will show who arranged the order in Russia
      1. andj61
        andj61 21 February 2016 20: 24
        +4
        Quote: Ludendorff
        And why do you not thank the Vikings? They taught everything in due time, especially Rurik. And Genghis Khan? After all, the Mongols built a state for you? Where is the gratitude?

        Was Rurik a Viking? But is it not a Varangian? These are different nations! And the Varangians were just Slavs, not Scandinavians. And Genghis Khan, firstly, was hardly a Mongol - until the 30s, the Mongols did not know anything about Genghis Khan - most likely, a Turk. And, secondly, he did not create any Russian state. If someone can be considered the creator of the state - the predecessor of the Moscow kingdom, then it was the Golden Horde, and its grandson Genghis Khan Baty founded it. But both the Golden Horde and the Muscovite kingdom were states in which different peoples, in particular Russians, and Turks lived in symbiosis, in union.
        Talk better about the role of Germany, how it was created, on whose lands it is located. And the cities - Berlin-Berlo (swamp, swamp - dub. Glory), Leipzig - Lipsko, Dresden - Dresna, Brandenburg - Branibor. Continue to continue?
        1. Ludendorff
          Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 49
          -4
          Quote: andj61
          Was Rurik a Viking? But is it not a Varangian? These are different nations! And the Varangians were just Slavs, not Scandinavians. And Genghis Khan, firstly, was hardly a Mongol - until the 30s, the Mongols did not know anything about Genghis Khan - most likely, a Turk. And, secondly, he did not create any Russian state. If someone can be considered the creator of the state - the predecessor of the Moscow kingdom, then it was the Golden Horde, and its grandson Genghis Khan Baty founded it. But both the Golden Horde and the Muscovite kingdom were states in which different peoples, in particular Russians, and Turks lived in symbiosis, in union.
          Talk better about the role of Germany, how it was created, on whose lands it is located. And the cities - Berlin-Berlo (swamp, swamp - dub. Glory), Leipzig - Lipsko, Dresden - Dresna, Brandenburg - Branibor. Continue to continue?

          Beautiful tales. By the way, in Russia they knew that the Varangians were natives of Scandinavia, robbed and took what they wanted.
          1. andj61
            andj61 21 February 2016 21: 10
            +1
            Quote: Ludendorff
            Beautiful tales. By the way, in Russia they knew that the Varangians were natives of Scandinavia, robbed and took what they wanted.

            There were two theories: one of German historians who claimed that the Vikings were Scandinavians. (Well, not Vikings - Vikings are those who went to Wikis, and Wik is a raid).
            Lomonosov did not agree - he described it very well that the Varangians are Slavs. So these tales are just as much as yours. And in Russia, the Varangians were never identified with the Vikings.
            1. Ludendorff
              Ludendorff 21 February 2016 21: 17
              -2
              Quote: andj61
              There were two theories: one of German historians who claimed that the Vikings were Scandinavians. (Well, not Vikings - Vikings are those who went to Wikis, and Wik is a raid).
              Lomonosov did not agree - he described it very well that the Varangians are Slavs. So these tales are just as much as yours. And in Russia, the Varangians were never identified with the Vikings.

              Well then, continue to think that Utah and Dana are Slavic peoples. vikingene or vikinger approximate translation - seaman.
              1. Seal
                Seal 22 February 2016 00: 24
                +1
                But we don’t have to ascribe the utes.

                The jutes

                'Among the SAXON invaders of Britain were the JUTES, a people who came from a part of Denmark still called JUTLAND, to settle in Kent and the Isle of Wight.

                'Having noted the evidence previously offered which indicates the Israelitish origin of the Saxons as a whole, let us now consider the Jutes for they have in their name itself conclusive evidence of their Israelitish identity.

                'This becomes clear when we remember the great change which took place in the languages ​​of northern Europe some time previous to 100 BC, whereby a great many words which had previously had in them the sound of our letter' d 'changed this to the sound of 't'. (Grimm's Law). As this change occurred during the years in which the Saxons were migrating to Western Europe from their old home east of the Black Sea, it is obvious that the people who arrived in Denmark as Jutes must have started out as JUDES or Judai.

                'Further, as all of the Saxon tribes, including the Jutes, were descended from the SACAE (Sacasene) of MEDIA, it follows that the Sacae must have had among them a tribe called Judes or Judai even before they left Media.

                'The importance of this becomes apparent when we remember that the Israel people were divided into TWO separate nations - Israel and Judah, AND that when the Assyrians conquered Israel and drove the Israelites away into captivity in MEDIA, they ALSO took some of the people from the country districts of Judah. it is certain, therefore, that among the Israelites in Media there was a distinct group who would be known by a plural form of the name Judah - Judahites, Judae, Judai, Judi, or Judes.

                'In this connection we should note too that in the German language the Jews, who are a part of the people of Judah, are called JUDEN (singular - Jude), which, is equivalent to' Judes' in English. Further, in the Low German dialects, which are more closely related to Old English (the English of the Saxons and Jutes) the name Jude is pronounced 'Yut', which is equivalent to the English 'Jute'.

                'We have, therefore, six known facts to consider: (1) that when the Israel people were deported to Media by the Assyrians, part of the people of the Kingdom of Judah were taken with them; (2) that, as a consequence, there was among the Israelites in Media a group of Judahites, Judai, or Judes; (3) that among the Saxons who came into Britain there was a tribe called Jutes; (4) that during the time they were migrating westward across Europe the 'd' in their language became 't'; (5) that the Saxons were descended from the Sacae of Media; and (6) that Sacae is the name by which the Israelites in Media were known to the Persian historians.

                'It is certain, therefore, that the JUTES were originally called Judes or Judai, and that they were the descendants of that part of the people of JUDAH which the Assyrians carried away with Israel to Media.
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 21 February 2016 21: 17
            -1
            Quote: Ludendorff
            By the way, in Russia they knew that the Varangians were natives of Scandinavia, robbed and took what they wanted.

            And who were Ushkuniki? Who robbed both of them. In the sense of the Horde and the Vikings. Novgorodians damn it. Interesting. What is the old city?
            1. Ludendorff
              Ludendorff 21 February 2016 21: 25
              -2
              Quote: Tusv
              Novgorodians damn it.

              And what about the Normans, did the Viking take fie? Horde robbed? Oh well.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 21 February 2016 21: 43
                0
                Quote: Ludendorff
                Horde robbed? Oh well.

                As the gentlemen say brazenly Saxons - from it labor
                1. Ludendorff
                  Ludendorff 22 February 2016 05: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Tusv
                  As the gentlemen say brazenly Saxons - from it labor

                  Do not forget that the German wrote a story to you under Peter the Great.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 22 February 2016 08: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Ludendorff
                    Do not forget that the German wrote a story to you under Peter the Great.

                    Kostomarov, Solovyov, Karamzin, Merezhkovsky Germans?
                    Wouldn’t go crazy
                    1. Seal
                      Seal 25 February 2016 14: 15
                      0
                      1)
                      Ludendorff
                      Do not forget that the German wrote a story to you under Peter the Great.

                      2)
                      Tusv
                      Kostomarov, Solovyov, Karamzin, Merezhkovsky - Germans?

                      A rare case where Ludendorff is practically right.
                      If he had not escaped, he could have answered:
                      And since when did Kostomarov, Solovyov, Karamzin, Merezhkovsky become contemporaries of Peter the Great?

                      Unfortunately, the story was really written to us by a German. The basis of our history, well, the one that was subsequently colored by rainbow colors by the writers Kostomarov, Solovyov, Karamzin, Merezhkovsky - lies Synopsis Kievsky (“Synopsis, or a Brief Description of the Beginning of the Russian People”) - a compilation review of the history of Southwest Russia, compiled in the second half of the XVII century and published for the first time in 1674 in the printing house of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, for the last time in Kiev in 1861. The author was Innocent Gisel. In the XNUMXth century, Synopsis was the most widespread historical essay in Russia and was used until the beginning of the XNUMXth century as a school history textbook.
                      Innocent Gisel was from Prussia and belonged to the Reformed Church. In his youth, having arrived in Kiev and settled here, he converted to Orthodoxy and tonsured monks.
          3. asiat_61
            asiat_61 21 February 2016 23: 26
            +1
            The picture is not textual. What is the emblem of your Vikings on the shield and ax? Correctly Zadornov says: .. virgin brain ..
      2. asiat_61
        asiat_61 21 February 2016 23: 20
        0
        The funny thing is that the Mongols do not know about it. About the Vikings, there is no such nationality, and there have never been a people, there were just pirates, bandits. Read sometimes, not only tyrnet.
      3. Seal
        Seal 22 February 2016 00: 06
        +1
        And Genghis Khan? After all, the Mongols built a state for you?

        Are you behind the times there, or what? What are Mongols? Yes, they are the Khalka (those who are now Mongols) until the white people told them what their "great ancestor" was about any "Genghis Khan" and did not even suspect.
        About the Batu and Genghis Khan. Let’s take the Turks, for example, the Kazakhs, since they seem to be there and if, what, they’ll correct them, the orientation toward sunrise and sunset is taken as the basis for orientation in space. In the Kazakh language, sunrise is shygys, sunset is batys. Hence the East-Shygys, and the West-Batys. The main holy direction of the Turks (Kazakhs) was and remains the "East".
        If you face east, then on the right (in the Kazakh language “right side” - “he”) will be Ontustik-South, and on the left (in the Kazakh language - “sol”), respectively, Soltustik-North. In this regard, everything located to the west of the steppe for the Kazakhs had the prefix "batu", and to the east - "shygys." Hence, the ruler of any western from the habitat of the Turks (Kazakhs) was called Batu-Khan (Batu). And the one who ruled east - well, for example, China - was Shygys Khan (in our pronunciation, Genghis Khan). That is, all of these Batu, Batu, Batys, and Shagysy (Genghis) could be (and were, after all, the West is full of all sorts of “Karls”) the names of both specific people and common names for all khans-rulers of these areas and territories. By the way, Genghis Khan is simply any “Solar Khan” or “Eastern Khan” and in the language of a number of Volga non-Turkic peoples. But apparently, the Volga peoples still nevertheless adopted this term, well, for example, among the Tatars.

        The Tatar yoke is an invention of the Poles, who aimed to prove that Poland is the last outpost of civilization in the East of Europe. Then, when, in the course of the Napoleonic troops, the Europeans saw real Tatars in Europe and Paris and were surprised that these Tatars - exactly the same Europeans as themselves - European historians quickly began to transform the "Tatar yoke" first into the Tatar-Mongol, then into "Mongol-Tatar", and now often even we ourselves are limited to one "Mongolian". And the Khalkha nation was appointed to the post of the Mongols. Likewise, when the Swedes had to designate the rights to the "Kemsk volost" - Shved Peter Petrei created a theory that once the Vikings, who are Swedes, were called to rule Russia.
    11. Neophyte
      Neophyte 22 February 2016 07: 49
      0
      I agree, but what price did we pay?
    12. valerei
      valerei 22 February 2016 16: 10
      0
      No one will ever want to be grateful and indefinitely obligated. Therefore, we need to forget about the different gratitude there. Russia has always been a bone in the throat of Western countries, and therefore it is stupid to expect something good from them. At the same time, the entire history of politics suggests that all relationships between all states are a continuous series of betrayals. So you shouldn't rely on "friends", but more often remember the dictum of our Emperor Alexander III and everything will fall into place.
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 21 February 2016 12: 37
    32
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/334/mkyf482.png
    1. Malachite
      Malachite 21 February 2016 12: 42
      +6
      We are so unique .. They don’t love us for our "mysterious soul" And most importantly, we know how to fight to the last! And we hit hard, and then we shake our hand ...
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 21 February 2016 17: 21
        +1
        There are two hockey players from Canada standing in Vladik on the embankment (it’s also not always hot there), on 15-degree street, the ocean is a little warmer .. And they look miserable, frozen like Russians in the Pacific, swimming .. Our nation is indestructible!
      2. Kazbek
        Kazbek 21 February 2016 20: 25
        -2
        Quote: Malachite
        We are so unique .. They do not like us for our "mysterious soul" And most importantly we know how to fight to the last! And we beat hard
        .
        Quote: Malachite
        serve ...
        Meehan, you do not give in strongly to it .. laughing
        And then you start to drive something .. How many "little white" have already been credited .. fellow ?!
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 48
      +9
      Quote: sever.56
      sever.56
      I want to supplement the statements of Natalia Narochnitskaya: "the faculties of international law can be closed, because no one has been observing these rights for a long time." I can’t vouch for the verbatim, but for the meaning, yes.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 February 2016 13: 05
        +1
        Their functions can be transferred to historical faculties ... Once upon a time it was called international law ... laughing
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 21 February 2016 13: 16
        +8
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        I want to supplement the statements of Natalia Narochnitskaya: "the faculties of international law can be closed, because no one has been observing these rights for a long time." I can’t vouch for the verbatim, but for the meaning, yes.

        Andrei Yurievich, welcome! hi
        I always enjoy watching Natalya Alekseevna’s appearances on television and reading her articles. Besides the fact that she is a historian and political scientist, doctor of historical sciences, a specialist in the USA and Germany, she deeply knows the history and culture of Russia.
        In the West, she defends so well in her lectures at the best universities in the world that the leaders of these countries by all means try to prevent her public speaking. And that says a lot. More to us would be such people with encyclopedic knowledge who could convey to the Western public the truth about our history, culture and politics!
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 21 February 2016 12: 38
    12
    By all means, the West has always wanted to separate us, to divide us into volosts, provinces. But our strength was and is in unity!
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 February 2016 17: 26
      0
      Our strength is in ourselves, in the people, somewhere reckless, somewhere sloppy, but patient and hardworking. This is the main thing, in my opinion ..
    2. Ludendorff
      Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 27
      -1
      Quote: yuriy55
      By all means, the West has always wanted to separate us, to divide us into volosts, provinces. But our strength was and is in unity!

      Oh well.
  4. rov81
    rov81 21 February 2016 12: 38
    +7
    Russia has its own way, NICE !!! And no other is given!
  5. Monos
    Monos 21 February 2016 12: 40
    37
    Russian way. Hmm ... I see it somehow.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 February 2016 12: 56
      +1
      I wonder how many ..? laughing
      1. Monos
        Monos 21 February 2016 12: 59
        34
        wassat I think the answer is obvious.
        1. tolian
          tolian 21 February 2016 14: 46
          +2
          And how many of them pronounce this phrase publicly on the net! And from Akhedzhakova, and from Borovoy, and from individuals smaller saw. And do not be shy that they are not Russian, like. But here they are in a pose.
    2. Ludendorff
      Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 31
      -3
      Quote: Monos
      Russian way. Hmm ... I see it somehow.

      Oh well
      1. Monos
        Monos 21 February 2016 21: 14
        +4
        And what are you here, a German fool, showed? Look better this.

        1. Ludendorff
          Ludendorff 21 February 2016 21: 29
          -1
          And where are the dagis? I saw only a crowd of Ivanov. The best fighters in MMA are precisely the Dagestanis, they are there 50% u Well-well.
          1. Monos
            Monos 21 February 2016 21: 51
            +7
            Quote: Ludendorff
            And where are the dagis? I saw only a crowd of Ivanov. The best fighters in MMA are precisely the Dagestanis, they are there 50% u Well-well.

            All clear with you. See better Cologne chronicles. Cheer yourself up wink Alla, I'm at the bar!
            1. Ludendorff
              Ludendorff 22 February 2016 05: 41
              0
              Quote: Monos
              All clear with you. See better Cologne chronicles. Cheer up Alla I'm at the bar!

              Well, where are we to you.
  6. Mentor
    Mentor 21 February 2016 12: 45
    +4
    And at that moment the soul will touch
    К great universe named Russia. ©
    The author forgot to mention that ALL Central Asian republics became states, only with the help of Russia.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 21 February 2016 13: 44
      +2
      For the sake of truth, it is worth recognizing that Khorezm, Bukhara and Khiva were states.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 21: 46
        -1
        Quote: KBR109
        For the sake of truth, it is worth recognizing that Khorezm, Bukhara and Khiva were states.

        Bukhara has never been a state. It was part of various states that conquered it and was even an independent city, but there was no such state.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 54
          +2
          Bukhara emirate. His ours in the 60-70s. 19 century slightly reduced in size, but retained as a vassal state, dependent on the Russian Empire. He had his army. The population is mixed, mainly Tajiks and Uzbeks. After the liquidation of the khan’s power during the Civil War, the Bukhara People’s Soviet Republic was first formed, then the Bukhara USSR. Then, during the years of national-territorial demarcation in Central Asia, the territory was divided between Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan.
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 22: 44
            0
            Quote: Sergej1972
            Bukhara emirate. Its ours in the 60-70's. 19 c. slightly reduced in size, but retained as a vassal state, dependent on the Russian Empire.

            The emir is a prince. The title of emir is assigned to the sons of Arab monarchs. But the monarchs then led the states. A prince cannot be a king. Only kings led the states.
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 21 February 2016 21: 59
          +2
          Bukhara has never been a state.

          True? Once was the capital
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 22: 52
            0
            Quote: Tusv
            Bukhara has never been a state.

            True? Once was the capital

            But you modestly kept silent about which state. This is the Samanid state, but not at all Bukhara.
            The Samanid state included two large regions: Maverannahr and Khorasan. Maverannahr included all territories located north of the Amu Darya. Among them, the leaders in economic, cultural and political terms were Bukhara, Samarkand Sogd, Ustrushana, Chach, Ilak, Fergana, Kesh, Nasaf. To one degree or another, the Samanid state also included regions in the upper reaches and tributaries of the Amu Darya - Chaganian, Huttal, Kubadiyan, Akharun, Shuman, Vashgird, Rasht, Kumed, Badakhshan, Kurran, Shikinan, Vakhan, Rushan, that is, areas in the territory modern Central, Southern and Eastern Tajikistan and Northeast Afghanistan.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 22 February 2016 09: 02
              0
              Horror. If they conquered us like that. It could be used in Western civilization.
              A.P. Chekhov, play "Three Sisters". "We got to the zapendu". - These are their problems
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 47
        0
        + Only Bukhara and Khiva. On the basis of the Khiva Khanate, the Khorezm People’s, and then the Soviet Republic was created in the 20th. It, like the Republic of Bukhara, was abolished during the national-territorial delimitation in Central Asia.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 21 February 2016 21: 56
          0
          More precisely, then by and large Khorezm = Khiva. One and the same territory, which in the 18-19 centuries. they called it Khorezm, then Khiva (by the name of the capital city).
    2. Seal
      Seal 26 February 2016 09: 45
      0
      The author forgot to mention that ALL Central Asian republics became states, only with the help of Russia

      If, with help, we consider that Russia, represented by the EBN, participated in the collapse of the USSR, then yes, with the help of Russia. And so it was the USSR that first created state formations for both Central Asian and Transcaucasian peoples. And when the USSR started to swing, it was the state formations that fled and became states.
      In fairness, it should be noted that the Transcaucasian state formations were the first to escape in the following order: Georgian SSR, Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR.
      The Central Asians left last.
      1. genisis
        genisis 26 February 2016 13: 06
        0
        What is the first Georgian SSR?

        On January 19, 1990, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Nakhichevan ASSR adopted a Resolution "On the socio-political situation created in the Nakhichevan ASSR," according to which it was declared that "the Nakhichevan ASSR is seceding from the USSR and declares itself an independent republic." One of the reasons for this step was the fact that "the conditions of the Kars Treaty concluded between Turkey, the Azerbaijan SSR, the Armenian SSR and the Georgian SSR with the participation of the RSFSR" were grossly violated (these "gross violations of the terms of the Kars Treaty" meant "military aggression by SSR, as a result of which the territorial integrity of the Nakhichevan ASSR was in danger and a real threat to the life of its citizens arose "). On this occasion, the resolution of the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan ASSR stated that in order to preserve the territorial integrity of the Nakhichevan Republic, it turns to the Turkish Republic for help. This unrecognized state existed on the territory of the Soviet Union for ten months and in November 1990 again became part of the Azerbaijan SSR already in the form of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic. However, this circumstance did not prevent Nakhichevan from becoming a certain subject of international relations. For example, November 15, 1991. Nakhichevan, headed by Heydar Aliyev, officially recognized the independence of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus".
        1. Seal
          Seal 26 February 2016 16: 05
          0
          Quote: genisis
          What is the first Georgian SSR?

          With the fact that among the Union republics located in the Caucasus, she fled first.
          But the Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic is not a union republic, but an autonomous one. While the Law of the USSR of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the Procedure for Solving Issues Related to the Exit of a Union Republic from the USSR” regulated the procedure for secession from the USSR only of the Union republics.
          You already right out of the blue do not know what else to cling to.
          If Svidomo Banderlog goes to bed and gets up with the name of V.V. Putin (well, in his speech Svidomo can’t do without mentioning our President), then you probably go to bed and get up with the name of Aliyev. wink
          Well, for example, the Council of People’s Deputies of the Krasnopresnensky District of Moscow, either in 1990 or in 1991, declared airspace over the Krasnopresnensky District - which belongs exclusively to the Krasnopresnensky District. So what ?
          1. genisis
            genisis 26 February 2016 16: 22
            +1
            According to the text, there were "state formations of the Transcaucasus" and not "union republics".
            I forget to ask you all, when you write that Russia’s ally is beneficial to Azerbaijan, what do you mean? Is it beneficial for Russia to control this territory or that Russia really has someone to establish allied relations with living in Azerbaijan?
            It is difficult to take territory as allies, without people.
            If Azerbaijan so easily becomes an ally of Russia, then why has Russia still not made it its ally? That is, the Turks of Azerbaijan, from some fright, will not be allied with the Turks of Turkey, although they will reign in the bir millet, and will cooperate with the population of Russia?
            And when Russia gives Karabakh to Azerbaijan, how will it tie it to itself ???
            A Turkish proverb says "the hand that you cannot cut off, kiss and put it on your forehead."
            1. Seal
              Seal 26 February 2016 17: 29
              0
              According to the text, there were "state formations of the Transcaucasus" and not "union republics".

              Really? Let's see what was in the text. Here is the text:
              it is state formations that have fled and become states.
              In fairness, it should be noted that the Transcaucasian state formations were the first to escape in the following order: Georgian SSR, Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR.

              In my opinion, everything is clear. I said I ran away
              Transcaucasian state formations in this order: Georgian SSR, Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR.

              What is not clear ? Everything, there were no other state entities in Transcaucasia. Autonomies are not state entities. What is not clear ? fool
              Next to you.
              I forget to ask you all when you write that Russia’s ally is beneficial to Russia

              Excuse me, you have a habit of lying - is it transmitted to Armenians with mother’s milk? Show me where I wrote at least once
              Beneficial to Russia ally Azerbaijan

              Why are all the Armenians who are trying to oppose me constantly lying? angry
              And even where in order to grab you by the hand - and especially do not need to strain? fool Here's an example now.
              In fact, I wrote - I quote by copying
              In fact, Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.

              Next.
              How is it that the Turks will not ally with the Turks.

              You think with some kind of prehistoric tribal concepts.
              And how are the Poles (Slavs) allied with the United States (Anglo-Saxons) and with Germany (Germans) and France (well, by and large a cross between the Germans and the Gauls).
              And how do the Baltic countries (Baltics) ally with all of the above, including the Poles?
              And in the end, having piled up to us as allies in relation to yourself, you don’t for some reason pose the same question, but how can the Armenoids ally with the Slavs? Moreover, not only with the Slavs, but also with the same Türks in the person of our Tatars, Bashkirs and so on. Without them, there is no Russia. The Turks of Russia are an integral part of Russia.
              1. Seal
                Seal 26 February 2016 17: 31
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                Next.
                And when Russia gives Karabakh to Azerbaijan, how will it tie it to itself

                Elementary, Watsonian.
                Firstly, no one has yet undone the sense of gratitude.
                Secondly, if Azerbaijan regains Karabakh with blood, then with your screams about the "atrocities of the Turks" you will force the whole world to shove "earplugs into their ears. laughing But your screams will certainly give some effect, especially considering the degree of influence of the Armenian lobby in the USA. Perhaps, taking into account your cries, but most likely just taking offense at the fact that Azerbaijan has clearly gone under Russia, the United States and most likely Europe will even impose sanctions on Azerbaijan. And where will he go? Only tighter join us wink
                Thirdly, Azerbaijan will always understand that if it is not with us, then Armenia will again take its place with all the ensuing consequences regarding Karabakh. Should we at least be of any use to you? So you will be a scarecrow for Azerbaijan good
                1. genisis
                  genisis 26 February 2016 17: 56
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                  Feeling of gratitude?
                  Real politician?
                  This is when the grateful Bulgarians, freed from the Turkish, and then the fascist yoke, destroy the monuments to the Soviet soldier-liberator and prepare their air defense to protect the sky of Turkey?
                  Are you talking about the same gratitude?
                  If Azerbaijan regains Karabakh with blood.
                  If it applies only to the verb will return. There will be more than blood.
                  Armenia will take the place of Azerbaijan in Karabakh, when will Russia allow it?
                  The scarecrow for Azerbaijan will be for a very long time, while the Aliyevs are in power, for sure - the Army of the Republic of Armenia and the NKR Defense Army
                  And only the knowledge of the realities by the Azerbaijani generals, the cruel lesson learned earlier - stops Azerbaijan from a military adventure.
                  You know the saying - tell me who your friend is, and I will say who you are?
                  So, to paraphrase, tell me who your ally is, I will say who you are.
                  Who is the ally of the Russian Federation?
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                    Seal 26 February 2016 18: 23
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                    Who is the ally of the Russian Federation?

                    Hamish my opponent. Our Emperor Alexander III Peacemaker has already answered this question.
                    Russia has only two allies — these are our Army and Navy.
                    Well now, you can add to this and the SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service). GRU is included in the concept of the Army. As well as the Air Force and VKS.

                    By the way, what did our Emperor do when he ascended the throne? I hope you remember? You (your compatriots) are concerned. laughing
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                      genisis 26 February 2016 18: 35
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                      And where is the Russian Empire now?
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                        Seal 26 February 2016 18: 39
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                        Do not worry. On the spot. Focuses. To return to their historical boundaries. Not yet evening.
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                        genisis 26 February 2016 18: 45
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                        You have so gloriously, Sovereignty moves, collegiality. The Imperials smoothly became Communists, now, as I understand it, again the Empire.
                        Focuses!
                        Well, God forbid!
                  2. genisis
                    genisis 26 February 2016 20: 41
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                    Empire, next time when you ask about Shapovalov, tell us what happened in this village in May 1991?
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                      Seal 27 February 2016 08: 14
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                      Here is a Russian site and it’s not for you to set your own rules on what and in what order who should tell.
                      Secondly. And what does what happened in some Armenian village in May 1992 have to do with the shooting of our paratroopers in July 1991 in the center of Leninakan (now Gyumri)?
                      And in the very center of Leninakan, on the central square of the city, where the Russian guys then continued to share bread and the last shirt with the Armenians who suffered from the earthquake, Lieutenant Alexander Shapovalov, sergeants Yevgeny Poddubnyak and Oleg Yudintsev, privates Mikhail Karpov and Nikolai Maslennikov were greeted with heavy fire automatic weapons and grenade launcher. As experts later calculated, there were 216 holes in the car body of Shapovalov. Bullets and fragments literally tore young bodies and pure bold hearts of children.
                      The convoy left without a commander and without security was easily disarmed and returned to the headquarters of the Shirak detachment. There are witnesses who show that they heard a short and terrible phrase thrown by Abrahamyan and the answer to the report of one of his subordinates: “Finish!” Witnesses suggest that one of the five paratroopers was still alive at that time - maybe it was Lieutenant Shapovalov ...

                      And most importantly. No matter what happens there, no matter what tribal showdowns were going on in Transcaucasia then, nothing justifies the vile execution of our troops by the Armenians. There are no excuses for the innocent shedding of Russian blood and cannot be.
                    2. genisis
                      genisis 27 February 2016 09: 35
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                      Firstly, the site is Russian. Catch the difference?
                      Secondly, when the Soviet paratroopers vilely ambushed and shot the innocent police officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the ArmSSR - this does not even require justification.
                      There will be an Empire to explain something to the natives there.
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                      Seal 27 February 2016 22: 51
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                      Firstly, the site is Russian. Catch the difference?

                      But not Armenian. Do you understand?
                      Secondly, when the Soviet paratroopers vilely ambushed and shot innocent policemen

                      Secondly it:
                      a) all is just yours and your compatriots version. There are other versions.
                      b) as far as I understand, the Soviet army in May 1991 was still SOVIET, and therefore, including the Armenian army, right? Since the USSR was and did not yet think that it would soon disintegrate.
                      c) if someone (you, for example) in May Leningrad was polished by a policeman with a rubber truncheon in Leningrad, and a year later, in Moscow this weapon (for example) fell into your hands and you went right and left to shoot according to Moscow policemen - what is the name of that someone (you, for example) called?
                      There will be an Empire to explain something to the natives there.

                      Is something unclear?
                      By the way, why don't you shoot those Armenians who served in the Soviet Army in May 1992 in July 1991? They are the SOVIET army, which you claim for some kind of "ambush" !!!
                    4. genisis
                      genisis 29 February 2016 10: 18
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                      But not Armenian. Do you understand?

                      Of course I understand. I drew your attention to the fact that communication in the national-chauvinistic vein will not give me or I (I dare hope) pleasure. And therefore - we will take for an axiom, the Russian Federation - a multinational, multiconfessional state with equal rights and duties for all citizens, regardless of their nationality.

                      b) as far as I understand, the Soviet army in May 1991 was still SOVIET, and therefore, including the Armenian army, right? Since the USSR was and did not yet think that it would soon disintegrate.
                      c) if someone (you, for example) in May Leningrad was polished by a policeman with a rubber truncheon in Leningrad, and a year later, in Moscow this weapon (for example) fell into your hands and you went right and left to shoot according to Moscow policemen - what is the name of that someone (you, for example) called?


                      The army was Soviet, but different nationalities served in it. Specifically, in that operation, not a single soldier of the Soviet army of Armenian nationality was involved in the ambush of a bus with Noyemberyan police officers. All paratroopers were Slavs, many of them Russian. This does not mean that all Russians treat the Armenians badly, nor does it mean that all Armenians treat the Russians badly. But the policeman from your example, who hit me on the head with a baton, and I, who took a gun and shoots at all the policemen, we will both commit a crime. Both. And not so much that the policeman who hits me in the head - yes, he is handsome and well done, and then I kill - a scoundrel and a villain.
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                      Seal 29 February 2016 14: 54
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                      no Noyemberyan police officers were involved in the ambush

                      Wow, already "shot from an ambush"?
                      And in the photo you presented with hands behind their heads, as I understand it, are the "shot" ones? lol

                      All paratroopers were Slavs, many of them Russian.
                      Non-Slavs in the Soviet (in my at least) time, were not taken only to the all-Union training of the Airborne Forces in Gaijunai (military unit 11929). And then two Lithuanians served with me. Good guys, children of some right Lithuanian party leader. Therefore, they were allowed to serve in this part. But when I arrived at the warhead, I immediately noticed that in quarantine there are far from Slavs alone.
                      This does not mean that all Russians treat the Armenians badly, nor does it mean that all Armenians treat the Russians badly.

                      Yes, the Armenians treat us well. In words. And at the table.
                      But at the same time they use it even better. Is it possible to show the appearance that you are bad about the one you use as a free bodyguard?
                      And most of my compatriots, unfortunately, take your show off as a true attitude towards us.
                      But the policeman from your example, who hit me on the head with a baton, and I, who took a gun and shoots at all the policemen, we will both commit a crime. Both.

                      Well yes. Only:
                      a) you just hit, scruff a little sick, the day after tomorrow passed. And the policeman whom you killed is killed forever. The day after tomorrow does not rise.
                      b) You were hit in Leningrad, and you killed a policeman in Moscow. Does it matter to you who to kill?
                      And not so much that the policeman who hits me in the head - yes, he is handsome and well done, and then I kill - a scoundrel and a villain.

                      The policeman hitting you on the BURNING is a petty bully.
                      And here you are, then killing a policeman, and not even at all the one who hit you on the scruff a year ago - really a scoundrel and a villain.
                      Like those Zatikyan, Stepanyan and Baghdasaryan who, being dissatisfied with the "Soviet regime", went to Moscow and blew up the first Muscovites they came across in the metro.
                    6. genisis
                      genisis 29 February 2016 15: 50
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                      Wow, already "shot from an ambush"?

                      Not already.
                      Soviet paratroopers of Slavic nationality shot from an ambush of Soviet policemen of the Noyemberyan police department of the ArmSSR.
                      They didn’t even open a criminal case.
                      This is "your policeman from the example who left a bruise with a truncheon"
                      This is not a bruise - this is a cold-blooded murder.
                      The terrorist attack of Zatikyan, the murder of Shapovalov, the shooting of Noyemberyan police officers, the deportation of the Armenian-populated villages of the Shahumyan region by the forces of fair-haired paratroopers are the same crimes for me.
                      With hands behind their head are those whom the Soviet paratroopers, having detained, gave to the Azerbaijani riot police. Of these, no one returned home alive.
                      Yes, the Armenians treat us well. In words. And at the table.
                      But at the same time they use it even better. Is it possible to show the appearance that you are bad about the one you use as a free bodyguard?
                      And most of my compatriots, unfortunately, take your show off as a true attitude towards us.


                      Armenians are exactly the same people from flesh and blood as Russians or Uzbeks.
                      I have a Russian wife, both of my best friends are Russians.
                      We do not use each other, we are friends.
                      As for the free bodyguard - you don’t read in the clouds.
                      From whom does the Russian Federation protect Armenia?
                      The Russian Federation on the territory of Armenia keeps its under-diversification in Gyumri, protecting itself.
                      Most Armenians and the leadership of the General Staff do not give a damn about Armenians and Armenia. And it would be strange if this were not so.
                      Therefore, while the Armenians are paying for food and fuel and lubricants for soldiers stationed for 102, the Russian Federation will be happy to use this base. Train your motorized rifle in the alpine Alyagyaz. Remove intelligence through the state border of Armenia-Turkey, Armenia-Iran.
                      Armenians, if someone attacks the Russians, will instantly connect through the CSTO.
                      By the way, bodyguards, why didn’t you react to the events of September 25-26, 2015 directly on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan?
                      Why, when a member of your defensive alliance was attacked by shelling the territory from an MLRS and killing 5 soldiers and 3 civilians, did you not condemn such actions?
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                      Seal 29 February 2016 18: 13
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                      You again about some kind of execution, about some kind of ambush. Without any evidence - who shot, whom he killed. Do you always have a one-sided approach?
                      And what, for example, was the official position of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs? But the USSR Ministry of Defense? Do you have them? What do your neighbors say about this? negative
                      Who, besides the Armenian side, confirms the "fact of an ambush" and "the fact of execution"? And what?
                      With hands behind their head are those whom the Soviet paratroopers, having detained, gave to the Azerbaijani riot police.

                      Where are the paratroopers? I see 2 police cars, police officers in it, one soldier and one BMD. It is clear that the BMD is attached to the police forces. In the photo whose police cars? Armenian or Azerbaijani?
                      From whom does the Russian Federation protect Armenia?
                      Well, not from Azerbaijan on the same? Moreover, the base is on the Armenian-Turkish border.
                      The Russian Federation on the territory of Armenia keeps its under-diversification in Gyumri, protecting itself.

                      We do not need this base in FIG for the defense of Russia. It is located exclusively at the request of the Armenian side.
                      And when a year ago Armenia jerked something towards the EU, ours declared: "Well then we are withdrawing the base." And Armenia quickly returned to its place. This fact shows who really needs a base.
                      Therefore, while the Armenians are paying for food and fuel and lubricants for 102 soldiers
                      But only there probably more than half of the military personnel are ethnic Armenians with our passports.
                      Armenians, if someone attacks the Russians, will instantly connect through the CSTO.
                      So what ? How many times have you already "connected"? lol
                      Well, or China attacked us, for example. Well, that’s if Armenia doesn’t connect - then we will have a fox lol request
                      By the way, bodyguards, why didn’t you react to the events of September 25-26, 2015 directly on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan?
                      We do not climb into your showdown. And we are doing it right. And we are not bodyguards from Azerbaijanis. Remember at last that our base is on the Armenian-Turkish, and not on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.
                      Why, when a member of your defensive alliance was attacked ... you didn’t speak
                      What is "our" union? And who is this "we did not act"? Russia ? Let it be known to you that in the CSTO all statements are made on behalf of the entire CSTO. The CSTO did not speak out, which means that the CSTO members, or, let's say, the majority of the CSTO members, considered that the Armenians again provided false information. In the CSTO, lamentations that "yes, we are Christians, and they, basurmans" - do not get through. Rather - on the contrary, they will also be stuffed in the face for a basurman lol
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                      genisis 1 March 2016 11: 25
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                      We do not need this base in FIG for the defense of Russia. It is located exclusively at the request of the Armenian side.


                      AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA ON THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, LOCATED IN THE TERRITORY OF THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA (SIGNED IN MOSCOW 21.08.1992)
                      Art.4
                      Armed Forces during their stay on the territory
                      Republic of Armenia, except protection functions of the Russian Federation together with the Armed Forces of Armenia, ensure the security of the Republic of Armenia along the external border of the former USSR.
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                      Seal 1 March 2016 14: 59
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                      Yeah. But you never know what in different years of a kind of documents are OBLIGED to write. Especially in such diplomatic ones. Something you make this document to believe. No, the document is, of course, correct, but the content !!
                      No. 253/28 June 17, 1961
                      Not subject to publication.
                      For outstanding services in creating models of rocketry and ensuring the successful flight of Soviet man into outer space, assign Comrade BREZHNEV Leonid Ilyich, Chairman of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet, the title of HERO of SOCIALIST LABOR with the award of the LENIN Order and the SICKLE AND HAMMER gold medal.

                      Vice Chairman of the Bureau
                      Supreme Council of the USSR - D. Korotchenko

                      Secretary of the Presidium
                      Supreme Soviet of the USSR - M. Georgadze

                      Moscow, Kremlin June 17, 1961

                      AP of the Russian Federation. F.3.0P.53.D.326L.4. A certified copy on the form.
                  3. genisis
                    genisis 1 March 2016 11: 28
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                    So what ? How many times have you already "connected"?
                    Well, or China attacked us, for example. Well, that’s if Armenia doesn’t connect - then we will have a fox


                    So far, they have never connected. And God forbid. But we’ll connect, as if you didn’t want the opposite laughing

                    What is "our" union? And who is this "we did not act"? Russia ? Let it be known to you that in the CSTO all statements are made on behalf of the entire CSTO. The CSTO did not speak out, which means that the CSTO members, or, let's say, the majority of the CSTO members, considered that the Armenians again provided false information. In the CSTO, lamentations that "yes, we are Christians, and they, basurmans" - do not get through. Rather - on the contrary, they will also be stuffed in the face for a basurman


                    Let it be known to you, but the CSTO did not speak out for the sole reason that Seyran Ohanyan told Bordyuzha that this time we can handle it ourselves.

                    But the Russian Foreign Ministry might have expressed concern
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                    Seal 1 March 2016 15: 55
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                    Let it be known to you, but the CSTO did not speak out for the sole reason that Seyran Ohanyan told Bordyuzha that this time we can handle it ourselves.

                    And which of the two are you? what
                    Although, you seem to have already chosen that Timur lol
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                Seal 29 February 2016 18: 26
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                I have a Russian wife, both of my best friends are Russians.

                It happens. There, the tiger Cupid and another animal Timur are also friends. lol
                And further. Soldiers and paratroopers, including those acting on orders. And the BMD that you have next to the police cars in the photo and that serviceman - they have nothing to do, they decided to be in this place at this time. And by order. There are complaints - get those who gave the order, not the soldiers and junior officers.
                You in July 1992 precisely what shot our paratroopers on the orders of General Abrahamyan. And by his order, one of our Armenians was finished off the wounded.
                Do you feel the difference?
              3. genisis
                genisis 1 March 2016 10: 45
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                Soldiers and paratroopers, including those acting on orders. And the BMD that you have next to the police cars in the photo and that serviceman - they have nothing to do, they decided to be in this place at this time. And by order. There are complaints - get those who gave the order, not the soldiers and junior officers.


                “Dear President! I am the father of Lieutenant Alexander Shapovalov, who was shot by Armenian bandits in the very center of Leninakan on June 10, 1992, together with the entire calculation of the ZU-23 anti-aircraft gun. This is described in sufficient detail in the newspaper Sovetskaya Rossiya. I want to draw your attention to this tragedy from the moral side.
                What - did we raise our son wrong? It was necessary to yield to the pressure of the Armenian command and give them anti-aircraft guns? In the "hot spots" now this happens all the time. Where by force of arms, where for money national military formations obtain weapons for themselves. Alexander could not allow this.
                If the Armenians were so angry at the lieutenant, why didn’t they just kill him, but the whole calculation, although this would be no less a barbaric act. After all, these guys just yesterday got up from school. What are they to blame? The answer suggests itself. It was a crew. The crew, where one for all and all for one. The Armenians understood this and were afraid of everyone equally. They were not afraid only of responsibility for this gangster action.
                And one more question. Did our sons defend their honor and dignity only? Of course, and mine too. Army honor? Of course. But if deeper, they defended the honor of the state and the honor of the president. And they fulfilled their military duty in the best traditions of the Russian army. I will never believe that you would give preference to such officers as the commander of the 127th division, Colonel Babkin and his headquarters. In any case, we would not want to have such “defenders”.
                И что же?
                The investigation is long over. The case is slowly being overwritten. Criminals are free. But not so long ago, in the television program “Military Review” this issue was again touched upon, but how! The main idea is reduced to the version of the Armenians: the paratroopers themselves are to blame. Nothing at all is said about the sinister role in the fate of the paratroopers Colonel Babkin. But betrayal is evident here.
                And how was it for us, the parents of the deceased sons, to look at you, Boris Nikolaevich, when you walked towards Ter-Petrosyan with outstretched hand for a handshake and a completely genuine smile? As if he didn’t come to ask for help from Russia, but you came to him. And, of course, the issue of extradition of the killers - A. Abrahamyan, M. Vardanyan and their henchmen was not raised at the meeting. Either the “irony of fate”, or maybe an accident, but this meeting took place exactly six months after the day of the brutal massacre of Russian soldiers. And if you do not remember this, then we should bear this cross for the rest of our lives.
                So we raised our son correctly, Boris Nikolaevich, there is no doubt about that ”
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                genisis 1 March 2016 10: 53
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                Captain Klimko recalls: “... I, Krotko, Mikael and two other people got into the Zhiguli. I was surprised that all of us were calmly allowed into the territory of the division and the headquarters. Mikael shook hands with the operational duty officer and the duty officer. On the second floor, I jokingly asked Mikael if he had found an office here. He told me that not yet. Colonel Babkin shook hands with the officers, but did not even give us a hand. Mikael told Babkin that they had arrested the convoy and asked if this convoy with equipment belonged to the Leninakan division. Babkin answered in the affirmative. Vardanyan called Yerevan, after which he informed us that a representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry would arrive in an hour and a half. We returned to the fedayeen headquarters. Soon vodka and bread appeared on the table. Vardanyan invited the officers and warrant officers to the table. The Armenians insisted on drinking to the victims of Nagorno-Karabakh. We drank only 50-70 grams. And then only 5-6 people. All the rest remained at the cars. Drinking did not go down my throat. The situation was ambiguous. On the one hand - vodka, and on the other - during the feast, the fedains on the street twice tried to take away the weapons from the paratroopers. At about 17 pm, Deputy Defense Minister of Armenia Major General Abrahamyan arrived at the headquarters. I meekly reported to him that the communications equipment had been received in the Leninakan division for repair and dismantling in Tbilisi. Cutting off Krotko, Abrahamyan said that he had been in this “skin” (of the Armed Forces of the USSR) for 34 years and was sure that the equipment was actually being exported at the direction of Moscow and precisely from the units that should be transferred to Armenia. At the request of the general, Babkin immediately arrived and confirmed that the equipment was from his division, and the shilki (ZU-23-2) belonged to the paratroopers. "
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              genisis 1 March 2016 11: 00
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              From the testimonies of Krotko AG: “Abrahamyan told me that I have two options: to give the N-18 and R-440 to the Kirovakan or Leninakan divisions. I chose the second. Then he stated that the paratroopers with U-23-2 would go with him to Yerevan, where he would check if the "shilka" were taken from units of the 7th Guards Army. Klimko objected to him that this could also be clarified by telephone. And Shapovalov categorically stated that he would not give up his equipment and weapons and, if necessary, would fight to the last bullet. To this, Abrahamyan replied that he would then disarm all the paratroopers and send them by train to Kutaisi. In addition, Abrahamyan invited Shapovalov to give an official paper from the Armenian government, which would say that the weapons and ZU-23-2 installations were legally seized. But General Shapovalov did not accept this proposal either, saying that no document would justify him before the command for surrendering weapons, and reaffirmed that he would not give up equipment and weapons under any circumstances. ” Armed guards were assigned to the paratroopers. Abrahamyan, talking to someone on the phone, said: “I will take the equipment from them with the ZU-23-2, but I don’t need the machines, and I will leave them to the paratroopers.” To the question of Ensign Hionidi, why did the Fidains “stick” to them, the militant guarding him named Sako replied: “Do you not understand? We need "zeushki" (ZU-23-2)! Mammads (Azerbaijanis. - Note. Auth.) Fly on airplanes, but we have nothing to shoot them down with! ” At about 18 p.m. a convoy escorted by armed fidaines left Leninakan. From the testimony of A. Klimko: “Immediately outside the city, the ErAZ car with armed fidaines, policemen overtook the convoy and stopped. The column also arose. To my question to the policeman about what happened, he replied that everything was fine, there was no need to worry. I examined the convoy and made sure that there was no car with a space communications station and a car with ZU-23-2 with the elder Shapovalov. Immediately after the convoy stopped, the militants lined up along the convoy, making ready for firing. But they didn’t open fire. After 20-30 minutes, many cars with armed militants drove in.
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              genisis 1 March 2016 11: 02
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              There they learned that among their comrades were four killed and one wounded. However, after fifteen minutes, it turned out that all five were killed. Here, many of them decided that the word "chalet" (translated into Russian - "kill", "finish off"), uttered by General Abrahamyan after Leninakan, on the highway, refers to one of the five paratroopers. Apparently, someone else was alive. In the evening, July 10, they were invited to dinner for the first time since they were in the division. But they refused: "We will not sit down at the table at the traitors." The paratroopers also answered the next day to General A. Nikolaev, who had arrived in connection with what had happened from the district headquarters. At that time, commander Babkin was standing nearby. He stood and was silent ... A day later, the 21st separate airborne assault brigade of the Russian airborne forces said goodbye to the dead. Goodbye forever. A. Shapovalov was taken to Ukraine, to the Dnepropetrovsk region. O. Yudintseva, N. Maslennikova, E. Poddubnyak, M. Karpova - to Russia. In the ranks, with the banner of the unit lowered, there were paratroopers - healthy, strong men. They stood and could not hold back tears. They cried, clutching their arms, cursing the fate that brought them to the places where they were being killed from around the corner. " This is not the first and far from the only treachery of the Armenians against the Russian paratroopers. There are plenty of examples, and one of the most striking is the unequal battle of the senior lieutenant Igor Yulpatov’s parachute assault company with the Armenian militants in Nagorno-Karabakh. Over 6 hours, a company of paratroopers reflected the attacks of Armenian militants, who had a huge numerical superiority. But the killing of the Russian paratroopers who participated in the rescue of the victims of the December 1988 earthquake is the height of human meanness ... Bahram Batyev Source: Vesti.az http://pn14.info/?p=124507
            4. genisis
              genisis 1 March 2016 11: 11
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              Neighbors love to add pathetics, not without it.

              The general suddenly spoke in some kind of cosmic language, some kind of "hale". But how beautiful - "finish off".

              Only all this is lyrics. As in the case with the Noyemberyan policemen, no one will be held accountable. There, the USSR carried out the ring operation, so the official position was - "the fight against separatists and extremists." In July 1992 - the Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh - the ZUshki could not leave.
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              genisis 1 March 2016 11: 16
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              But only there probably more than half of the military personnel are ethnic Armenians with our passports.


              Here is the official group of the 102nd VKontakte.
              That's just looking at the pictures alone
              ethnic Armenians with our passports


              https://vk.com/club14347137
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              Seal 1 March 2016 15: 53
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              http://www.km.ru/forum/news/rossiya_garantiruet_bezopasnost_
              The number of the base is about 4000-5000 people. They are located in military towns in Gyumri and Yerevan. Half of the officers and almost all the contract soldiers are Armenians who received Russian citizenship, conscripts from Russia.


              http://pochta-polevaya.ru/militaryanalytics/geopolitics/kavkaz/17849.html
              Those. Russian troops in Armenia are stronger than the armed forces of this country. The base is a significant number of Armenians with Russian citizenship. It is clear that they will fight for Armenia, at least not worse than for Russia.

              Alexander Khramchikhin,
              Deputy Director
              Institute for Political and Military Analysis
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            Seal 1 March 2016 15: 27
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            In July 1992 - the Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh - ZUShki could not leave.

            That's it. For the sake of this ZUSHKA, you shot five of our paratroopers.
            And I’m sure that you can also easily shoot hundreds and hundreds of our guys if you suddenly need something from them, but they don’t want to give.
          3. genisis
            genisis 1 March 2016 15: 33
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            And I am sure that this is mutual.
            And you, in the place of these Armenian generals, would do everything so that these ZUShki would remain in Armenia if this situation would occur in the Russian Federation.
            And there is no need to beat yourself in the chest "yes we would", "yes I would".
            Shapovalov had commanders. Something no one shot them.
            And why not?
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            Seal 1 March 2016 15: 59
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            Do you understand what you wrote?
            And you, in the place of these Armenian generals, would do everything so that these ZUShki remained in Armenia, if this situation occurred in the Russian Federation.


            Shapovalov had commanders. Something no one shot them. And why?

            Apparently the hands are short.
            And those commanders who were not commanders for Shapovalov, but essentially helped the Armenians - we must shoot those, not you. You are friends and helpers.
          5. genisis
            genisis 1 March 2016 17: 24
            0
            No one shot at the commander Shapovalov, at whose disposal he arrived, because there was nothing to reset him for if he wanted to))))
            He, like a huge number of officers of the already collapsed Soviet, but not yet strong Russian, sold everything that could be sold for money.
            and if there were everyone, such as Shapovalov, the Union would still be developing.
            You say correctly - you need to shoot such commanders.
            Only you do what you say.
        2. Seal
          Seal 3 March 2016 14: 26
          0
          And you, in the place of these Armenian general

          A fairly common method of conducting discussion, when one of the opponents ends (or did not even have any) reasonable arguments.
          With this phrase you can pseudo justify everything !!! Any crime !!
          For example: "What would you do if you were Hitler?"
          Or specifically for you, nick genisis (2):
          "And what, personally, you, genisis (2) in the place of Enver Pasha, faced with a whole series of uprisings of the Armenian population in the front line in 1914-1915, would you have done anything else?"
          .
          So that really is not necessary
          And there is no need to beat yourself in the chest "yes we would", "yes I would".

          No, it’s not for nothing that a joke appeared,
          ".... and we put the Armenian as the goalkeeper" !!!
  7. Seal
    Seal 1 March 2016 15: 16
    0
    Vesti.az http://pn14.info/?p=124507

    These are materials of the investigation of Major of Justice Ushakov. And who reprinted them? Yes, even blacks in Africa !!!

    Damn, here, for example, yesterday awarded, well, for example, again, your Sargsyan Order. Today all of Yerevan and all of Armenia rejoices.
    And if tomorrow some Azerbaijani newspaper prints this news, then the day after tomorrow you will claim that the whole story with Sargsyan’s rewarding is a lie.

    The investigation materials were published in the Russian Special Forces magazine in July 2002, just in time for the decade of the execution. However, materials on the website of the Russian Special Forces magazine have been hanging for only 10 years. Then they go to the archive.
    But many guessed to copy this material of Major Ushakov.
    For example.
    http://shurigin.livejournal.com/202025.html?thread=15342633

    I also copied. It’s a pity I didn’t think of making a print screen from the website of the Russian Special Forces magazine.
  8. genisis
    genisis 1 March 2016 15: 22
    0
    Lying is the fact that the Armenian language has the word "khale", which means "finish off".
  9. Seal
    Seal 1 March 2016 16: 05
    0
    Well, how do the words sound in Armenian: "finish off"; "finish it off"; "finish"; "see it through"?
    But you never know what common idiom could sound. The witness understood her as "finish it off."
    Here, through one of us, they say "run to the store" or even "fly to the store", but no one runs, let alone flies.
  10. genisis
    genisis 1 March 2016 17: 28
    0
    Who is this witness? FULL NAME?
    Armenian or not?
    You can see in the Google translator how the word "finish off" in Armenian will be.
    You will be surprised, but in the Armenian language there is no "dobei" owl.
    You can say "verchatseng" - finish, but all the guys I asked them to say in such a situation, each said either "finished-aneng" or "finished-ara"
    That is, in any case, they would use the Russian verb "finish it".
    But of course, for reliability, you better look into the case file. After all, it is probably established there who is the witness, to whom and what did the Armenian general say.
  11. Seal
    Seal 2 March 2016 15: 35
    0
    But of course, for reliability, you better look into the case file.

    It's better. But Justice Major Ushakov in the Russian Special Forces magazine for July 2012 did not post the whole case, but his article based on the materials of his investigation.
    You will be surprised, but in the Armenian language there is no "dobei" owl.

    Well, you just used to replace the expression "kill" - the expression "zero". And how many more are there in the Russian language? Yes, dozens !! To drink, send to the headquarters to Dukhonin, change ... and so on.
    I believe that in the Armenian language there are a lot of expressions used to replace the words "kill" and "finish off".
  12. Seal
    Seal 3 March 2016 14: 41
    -1
    Armenian servicemen behaved like bandits. Yes, in fact, they were. Plus, like all the same "servicemen", and the servicemen of the former Soviet Army, they tried to hide their criminal intentions and deeds from the Russian side. And, like all former military personnel, they were sure that for the safety of negotiations, all negotiations must be encrypted.

    Soldiers - pencils
    Tanks - boxes

    And the bandits have their own terminology.

    The safe is a bear.
    The safe cracker is a teddy bear.
    The policeman is a circus.

    That’s the whole explanation. Being both military men and bandits, and even being sure that our military counterintelligence was listening to telephone conversations, such a bird language could be used that Abramyan could give telephone orders that only a dedicated person could understand him.
    Perhaps Major Ushakov was told by someone from Abrahamyan's headquarters that the phrase "khale", which as a word may be completely absent in the Armenian language, at that time meant "finish off".
  13. genisis
    genisis 1 March 2016 11: 29
    0
    It happens. There, the tiger Cupid and another animal Timur are also friends.


    Practice zoophilia with your "buddies"
  • genisis
    genisis 26 February 2016 17: 49
    0
    First of all, I’m not lying to you.
    I misunderstood your phrase "Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia." I thought that I mean that Azerbaijan is a more preferable ally.
    It turned out that no. Azerbaijan is just needed and that's it)
    And the Turks will cooperate with Russia immediately, like the Poles with the Germans.
    They, the Turks, already very closely cooperate with Russia.
    Especially in Syria.
    1. Seal
      Seal 26 February 2016 18: 29
      0
      I misunderstood your phrase

      Yeah. Already probably the third or fourth in a row. Although they are all written clearly and have no second meaning.
      Moreover, I’ve said .... many times said that Armenia is not our ally. How could one understand that Azerbaijan is a more preferable ally if I say that I do not consider Armenia an ally?
      They, the Turks, already very closely cooperate with Russia.
      Especially in Syria.

      Well, with the Germans, in general, what two wars we fought - nothing, normal.
      The French, too, we ... Moscow because of them had to burn.
      There is nothing absolutely permanent in the world. So it's not evening yet.
      1. genisis
        genisis 1 March 2016 15: 02
        0
        Looked at your past comments.

        Of all the topics, I personally most of all like not even the fact that the Armenians themselves are to blame, that the Turks began to destroy them at the root in 1915, but what is destroyed there - so, a couple of episodes.

        I am more impressed with your discussion on the topic of Orthodox Armenians or not.

        And who argues about this? Some members of the 4th Chalcedon Cathedral did not find a single Russian priest.

        "The Council in Chalcedon took place without the participation of representatives of the Transcaucasian Churches; having learned about the decisions of the Council, the Armenian, Georgian and Albanian Churches refused to recognize them, having seen the revival of Nestorianism in the doctrine of the Two Natures of Christ. The 491 local council in the Armenian capital Vagharshapat, which was attended by representatives of the Armenian , Of the Albanian and Georgian Churches, rejected the Chalcedonian decrees. The Armenian Church, being in ruin due to the bloody war with Persia, had no opportunity to follow the Christological disputes unfolding in Byzantium and express its position. And when during the reign of Vahan Mamikonian (485-505) Armenia withdrew from the war, it turned out that there is no unity in Christological issues anywhere.

        The Council of Chalcedon, on which the emperor Marcian so relied, did not bring peace to the Ecumenical Church. At this time, Christianity was divided into at least four branches with four different faiths: in Rome, Chalcedonian rule prevailed, in Byzantium - Miaphysism in the spirit of the enoticon of the Emperor Zeno, in Persia - Nestorianism, in Carthage captured by the vandals, as well as in Spain and part of Gaul - Arianism. ... The faith of the Byzantines in the single nature of Christ in this situation was more acceptable for the Armenian Church. Firstly, this faith corresponded to the faith of the Armenian Church itself, and among other things, unity in faith with Byzantium in any case was preferable to others. Therefore, at the First Council of Dvina in 506, in which the bishops of Armenia, Georgia and Caucasian Albania participated, the enoticon was officially adopted by the Armenian and neighboring churches. At the same council, Nestorianism was once again rejected, as well as the creed of the Council of Chalcedon as a factor contributing to the development of Nestorianism. The new emperor Justin I (518-527) condemned the enoticon Zeno, and the Council of Chalcedon proclaimed holy and ecumenical for the church of Byzantium. His successor, Justinian, finally eradicated Monophysitism from the Greek churches. However, the Armenian Church was free from his pressure - the creed of Chalcedon was no longer able to influence it. "

        Armenians and Byzantines personally discussed Monophysitism. They argued on these topics. Remained in their opinion regarding decision 4 of the Council of Chalcedon.

        But the Russian Orthodox Church did not discuss issues of the 4 Chalcedon Cathedral and did not particularly think about this issue - having appeared many centuries later, it simply shared the Byzantine tradition, which does not prevent experts like you from deciding who is Orthodox and who is not.

        I only note that the legates present from the Pope, along with the Byzantine priests, adopted Diophysitism. Thus, Catholics became closer to the Russian Orthodox Church than parishioners of the Armenian Apostolic Church.

        And here the most ancient Orthodox churches: Coptic, Armenian, Assyrian, Ethiopian, who did not share the dogma of Diophysitism, who did not recognize the provisions of the Chalcedon Cathedral - are declared non-Orthodox by you.

        Who are the judges?
        1. Seal
          Seal 1 March 2016 17: 40
          0
          Of all the topics, I personally most of all like not even the fact that the Armenians themselves are to blame, that the Turks began to destroy them at the root in 1915

          If the Turks began to destroy the Armenians at the root, then they probably would have done it all over the country. And so, if they undertook to destroy all Armenians all over the country in 1915, then as in 1922 several tens of thousands of Armenians suddenly appeared in Smyrna (Izmir), which (and so on).
          And what happened in Istanbul?
          Yes, the Armenians had to be very tight !!!
          The Turks treated them toughly !! Here is the evidence:
          April 24, 1915 in one night, prominent representatives of the Armenian community of Constantinople — doctors, musicians, politicians, clergy, and wealthy citizens — were arrested and expelled to the central regions of Asia Minor. Arrests continued in the following days, and the number of those exiled exceeded 700. Very few of them managed to survive.

          What horror !!! As many as 700 people were exiled. And maybe even a little more. But not 800, otherwise they would have written that "about 800 people." hi
          And how many Armenians were there in Istanbul?
          Again, look at the same source
          If at the beginning of the XIX century in Constantinople there were 150 thousand Armenians, then in 1840 this number reached 222, and in the 1880s - even 250 thousand.

          If we continue this curve in accordance with the curve of population growth on Earth (the curve is one that bends, but does not go straight), it turns out that as of 1915 about half a million Armenians lived in Istanbul. Of these, ..700 people were injured. This is 0,14% !!! hi

          What kind of source is this?
          Apparently definitely Azerbaijani, right? Moreover, oh, what else does he say ..
          The Armenians, previously exempted from compulsory military service and instead paid enormous duties, were first drafted into the army in 1912-13. during the Balkan War, since, as noted above, they were equated with Muslims under the new constitution.

          Oh God !!! It turns out that the Armenians, unlike the Greeks and Jews, had all the rights of Muslims !!!
          Hyazg Encyclopedia of Foundation !! hi
          Article: Armenian community of Istanbul: past, present, problems

          http://ru.hayazg.info/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0
          %BE%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%
          B0:_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B5,_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D
          1%8F%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%B5,_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B
          1. genisis
            genisis 2 March 2016 00: 22
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            If we continue this curve in accordance with the curve of population growth on Earth (the curve is one that bends, but does not go straight), it turns out that as of 1915 about half a million Armenians lived in Istanbul. Of these, ..700 people were injured. This is 0,14% !!!


            It would be possible to continue discussing this curve if you could answer me one simple question: “How many Armenians were there in Istanbul, Smyrna, Tigranakert, Van, Musalert, Bitlis at least as of 1927 - the first census of Kemalist Turkey. Well? How many hundreds of thousands of Armenians can you count there? "

            "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, lest they trample it underfoot with their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces."
          2. Seal
            Seal 2 March 2016 16: 34
            0
            You could continue to discuss this curve if you could

            And what did you think of setting some conditions for me here? Do not want to discuss - do not. I'm already tired of your troubles worse than a bitter radish.
            It’s quite enough that your Armenian Encyclopedia of the Hayazg Foundation says that
            April 24, 1915 in one night, prominent representatives of the Armenian community of Constantinople — doctors, musicians, politicians, clergy, and wealthy citizens — were arrested and expelled to the central regions of Asia Minor. Arrests continued in the following days, and the number of those exiled exceeded 700. Very few of them managed to survive.

            In my opinion it is written very clearly - 700 people. Not 700 thousand, not 70 thousand, not 7 thousand, but 700 (Seven hundred) people.
            Yes, even if they were all killed, it’s enough to compare it with the figure of 250 thousand, voiced by your Armenian Encyclopedia of the Hayazg Foundation, as the number of the Armenian population of Istanbul as of 1880. Well, let’s consider, since you really want this, that all the Armenians became impotent and no one was born new. And he did not move to Istanbul from the provinces.
            700 people from 250 thousand - this is still less than half a percent, namely 0,28%.
            how many Armenians were how many Armenians

            Yes, in FIG should I take you? You yourself count first, and then get others with this question. Have you already figured out how many crypto-Armenians live in Turkey, as you call them yourself? 3 million? 4 million? 5 million? And I met a figure and 6 million. And even 6-7 million !! And these are all yours, Armenian numbers !!!
            Vaughn, in Ukraine, right after the civil war, a person whose nationality "Ukrainian" was designated in his passport was not to be found in the afternoon. They were all Russians. And then, as from the mid-30s to the beginning of the 40s "Ukrainization" began in the Ukrainian SSR - by the beginning of the war more than half of the "Ukrainians" were there. Well, where did the tens of millions of Russians go then? What, were all of them repressed? No, they were simply recorded as Ukrainians. And now, unfortunately, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren are no one else to themselves, who do not recognize as Ukrainian. And they join the battalions of the National Guard.
          3. Seal
            Seal 2 March 2016 16: 35
            0
            The same is true of the Armenians in Turkey. Kemal pursued exactly the same Turkish policy of Turkishization as Skrynnik pursued a policy of Ukrainization in Ukraine.
            Ukrainization was and will be the most
            decisive measures ... Anyone who does not understand this or does not want to understand, cannot but be considered by the government as a counter-revolutionary and a conscious or unconscious enemy of the Soviet regime. N. Skrypnik

            Who is he ?
            People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian SSR (1921), People’s Commissar of Justice and Prosecutor General of the Ukrainian SSR (1922-1927), People’s Commissar of Education of Ukraine (1927-1933), and from February 23, 1933 until his suicide in July of that year, he was deputy chairman of the Council of People’s Commissars of the Ukrainian SSR and chairman Gosplan of the USSR.

            And the policy of Ukrainization was a Stalinist policy.
            In 1921, speaking at the X Party Congress, Joseph Stalin emphasized that "if Russian cities still dominate the cities of Ukraine, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized." And that was a serious statement. In April 1923, the XNUMXth Congress of the RCP (B.) Declared "indigenization" of the party's course on the national question, and in the same month at the XNUMXth Conference of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) U, a policy of "Ukrainization" was announced. The Ukrainian CEC and the Council of People's Commissars immediately issued this decision with relevant decrees.

            True, in the mid-40s, when the smell of World War II already smelled, JV Stalin sharply curtailed "Ukrainization". But Comrade Skrynnik did not have time to hesitate in time for the fluctuation of the general party line lol
            "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, lest they trample it underfoot with their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces."

            A closer look reveals your shrines .. well, something like this
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWd0KtdT6pY

            And I’ll probably really stop answering you. You may be writing a dissertation there, but I will toss you the pearls of knowledge, links and citations.
          4. Seal
            Seal 2 March 2016 16: 38
            0
            Regarding Orthodoxy

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1F_vESy7bY
          5. Seal
            Seal 2 March 2016 16: 55
            0
            About illegal Armenians in Turkey
            http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20121114/202135970.html
            The Italian edition of Osservatore Balcani e Caucaso, in an article entitled “Armenian Migrants in Turkey: Women's History”, cites well-known to our readers, albeit unofficial estimates: from 10 to 20 thousand illegal Armenians, mostly women. The most opportunities to get settled in Istanbul, which is most often chosen. Factory workers, seamstresses, shuttles between Turkey and Armenia ... But most are arranged as housekeepers, carers and nannies.


            So these are only illegal Armenians. And how many legal Turkey guest workers in present-day Turkey?

            Here's another interesting quote
            Until the middle of the last century, the avenue itself and the entire area were called Pera. Mostly Greeks lived there.
            But in early September 1955, an explosion occurred in the courtyard of the Turkish consulate in Thessaloniki. In response, the crowd began to smash Peru. For two days of pogroms (September 6 and 7), many houses, churches, shops were destroyed. There were relatively few dead - from 13 to 16 Greeks and one Armenian. But the Greek community, like Pere himself, suffered irreparable damage. By the time the pogrom began, up to one hundred thousand Greeks lived in Istanbul. Now, fifty years later, from two to three thousand.
            But - what surprised me - in the city there are a huge number of Greek tourists. Greek speech is heard from time to time in the streets, in the Hagia Sophia, at the Grand Bazaar. And the restaurant barkers (and sellers in the bazaar, in souvenir shops, and everywhere, in fact) shrillly shout in Greek, inviting customers to themselves.
            In so many Greeks in Istanbul, I see a very positive development. God willing, and soon there will be more Armenian tourists ..

            Killed from 13 to 16 Greeks. But 97 or even 000 of the 98 Greek communities left.
  • ava09
    ava09 21 February 2016 12: 46
    +2
    The Russian worldview plays the role of immunity in the body, surrounded on all sides by pathogenic viruses. If it weren’t for it, the world would have long been writhing from its own stupidity and the diseases generated by it ...
  • astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 21 February 2016 12: 50
    +7
    Good article! Plus, unambiguous! Who can object? Isn't that true?
    Yes ... and all these "liberated" and "created" s..and decent ones!
  • iouris
    iouris 21 February 2016 12: 52
    -17 qualifying.
    "How delightful evenings in Russia are ... the taste of French bread ... black boomer ... the inscription" To Berlin! "... the cornet Obolensky"
    Everything is said here.
    Quote (Gogol):
    "Rus, where are you rushing? Give an answer. Does not give an answer ..."
    End of quote.
    Article minus.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 12: 55
      +7
      Quote: iouris
      "How delightful evenings in Russia are ... the taste of a French roll ... a black boomer with an inscription ..."

      ... thump ??? wassat
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 February 2016 13: 27
        +3
        And it seems not the first day ... yes
      2. iouris
        iouris 21 February 2016 15: 24
        0
        Are you jealous?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2016 16: 59
          +2
          Quote: iouris
          Are you jealous?

          yes ...
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 21 February 2016 13: 27
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      "How delightful evenings in Russia are ... the taste of French bread ... black boomer ... the inscription" To Berlin! "... the cornet Obolensky"

      This (except for the inscription "on Berlin") from the liberals.
      "Rus, where are you rushing? Give an answer. Does not give an answer ..."

      But this is not given to the liberals to understand, since by their very nature they are not Russian. Less to you, not an article.
      1. iouris
        iouris 21 February 2016 15: 23
        +2
        Gogol is a Russian satirist. Quote from the poem: "Dead Souls".
        Recommend.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 21 February 2016 12: 54
    +3
    It's like that. Therefore, we also have a proverb: "Do not do good, you will not get evil." It seems that after the last bout of Western democracy, few have left the desire to copy it.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 February 2016 13: 02
    -4
    "So what is it, this Russian way is fascinating and incomprehensible" ////

    Empires have their own life cycle: generation, expansion (expansion),
    the growth of wealth and power, the struggle with other empires over territory and influence, the extinction, impoverishment, and finally, the transformation from an empire into an ordinary sovereign state.
    Rome-Italy, Spain, Great Britain, ... others have gone through this complete cycle.
    1. A.Lex
      A.Lex 21 February 2016 13: 34
      +4
      Whatever the path of Russia (Russia, RI, the USSR, the Russian Federation, and others that are yet to come) will not cease to call us Russian. As soon as the history of Russia ceases, the path of the rest of the world will also cease.
    2. Chisayna
      Chisayna 21 February 2016 13: 38
      0
      Russia's impoverishment does not threaten for a long time. Despite the Nevzlins, Khodorkovsky and other diamonds.
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik 21 February 2016 13: 41
      +8
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Empires have a life cycle

      It can be seen in Israel, an artificially created country, naturally with the help of the USSR (the birth of your gradation), now there is an expansion (the seizure of the lands of Palestine, Syria - not expansion?).
      The minus is not mine, I do not put the Jews. And I consider it an honor to receive minus from the Jews.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 February 2016 15: 07
        10
        for EvgNik:

        It's nice that you delved into the essence of my post. smile

        "according to your gradation), now there is an expansion (the seizure of the lands of Palestine, Syria - not an expansion?)" /////

        Everything is correct. After the victory in the 6-day war in 1967, it was fashionable to talk about the rebirth of "Greater Israel" - "from the Nile to the Euphrates."
        Military victories intoxicate and deprive the mind.
        Then, fortunately, our cheers patriots calmed down, and
        talk of a "Greater Israel" stopped.
        We switched to economic recovery and economic recovery.
        standard of living. And achieved success in this.
        What we wish you! fellow
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 21 February 2016 18: 20
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          it is fashionable to talk about the revival of "Great Israel" - "from the Nile to the Euphrates."

          Damn, how many empires are already going to stretch from Mozh to the Euphrates, from the fence to the sunset, from Portugal to Senegal. Where only everyone who wants to place? request
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 22 February 2016 01: 33
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: voyaka uh
            it is fashionable to talk about the revival of "Great Israel" - "from the Nile to the Euphrates."

            Damn, how many empires are already going to stretch from Mozh to the Euphrates, from the fence to the sunset, from Portugal to Senegal. Where only everyone who wants to place? request

            Their empire is the whole world. And Israel is needed only for the meeting, approval and crowning of their "messiah." You can consider me an anti-Semite, a nutcase, a religious fanatic, etc., I don't care, but as they say - you can't hide a sewing in a sack.
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 22: 21
          -1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We switched to economic recovery and economic recovery.
          standard of living. And achieved success in this.
          What we wish you!

          This is good, but you have not solved the national question. And you will not solve this question until you reeducate the Arabs, and this is not possible, since it all starts in infancy. Mom sings Arabic songs, talks about the Arab World, first in fairy tales, and then about the real World, the father brings up in hatred of the conquerors. Forgive me, but Israel and Jews in the Arab mentality will be conquerors for a long time. You, of course, will say about the UN decision and about the support of the USSR in this matter, but the common people do not care about these questions of "other people's uncles" who decided to give these territories to Jews for the Arabs. They will fight Israel until all this is erased from memory.
          Example. In Russia, Christianity completely destroyed the Slavic writing and history, and people who brought education to people. Now everyone believes that the Slavs were pagans, had no written language and did not have statehood. That's how, but it took several centuries, and the destruction of several generations of literate Slavs, and the destruction of written evidence. Only in recent years, archaeologists have discovered that even the children of the Slavs were literate, and not only adults and corresponded with each other, and prayed to One God.
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 21 February 2016 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Empires have their own life cycle: generation, expansion (expansion),
      the growth of wealth and power, the struggle with other empires over territory and influence, the extinction, impoverishment, and finally, the transformation from an empire into an ordinary sovereign state.

      You did not carefully read the article.
      Roll up is not our method.
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 February 2016 14: 27
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Rome, Italy

      Italy to the Roman Empire by no means
      In addition, Spain (with a stretch) and the loot of the mono-ethnic states of Russia-RI-USSR-RF have never been mono-national, which means from birth to this day is an empire
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 21 February 2016 22: 22
        0
        Spain is a multinational country, like the United Kingdom. But there are dominant, numerically predominant ethnic groups - Castilians and English. The truth is, the predominance of Castilians both numerically and economically in Spain is not as certain as the predominance of the British in Britain.
        The Russian Empire and the USSR were undoubtedly multinational states. With the Russian Federation, the current borders are somewhat different. The Russian Federation cannot be unambiguously called a classical multinational state due to the unconditional numerical predominance of Russians, which make up four fifths of the population. But there is no denying the fact that there are dozens of non-Russian indigenous peoples, who make up a significant part of the population in part of the territory of the Russian Federation, and, in some regions, exceed the Russian population. then, according to some criteria, a mono-ethnic, according to others, a multinational state. In this, we are partly similar to the PRC, also a multinational country, but with the undoubted numerical predominance of the Han people, which make up 90% of the population of the PRC. The difference is that the percentage of Han Chinese in the PRC is higher than the percentage of Russians in the Russian Federation, but the Han Chinese themselves are not as homogeneous as the Russians in anthropological, dialectic and linguistic respect.
        As for empires, the term itself is very ambiguous. There is a "classical" empire (a complex state, often multinational, the constituent parts of which, which became part of the state under different circumstances, who voluntarily, who are forced, can be governed on the basis of different principles and laws), there is a colonial empire (a clear division into the metropolis and colonies , which often did not have a common border with the metropolis), there is an empire in terms of foreign policy. The Germans understood empire as any large or strong state, and even during the Weimar Republic they used the word "imperial" in the name of a number of state structures (for example, the imperial president). In general, historians, culturologists, political scientists, specialists in the field of international relations have a lot of definitions.
        The Russian Empire was an empire both in name and in essence. But it was not a classical colonial empire. France during the Third Republic ceased to be a monarchical state in the form of an empire, but at the same time had a huge colonial empire. Little Portugal three quarters of the 20th century. in the field of internal structure, there was no empire, but ruled its colonial empire. The United States, according to many American political scientists, is a great empire in terms of foreign policy and military. But it’s hard to call them the colonial empire — Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. too small. The United States is not an empire in terms of internal structure, although there are some elements in terms of the special status of Puerto Rico and some other island territories.
    6. iouris
      iouris 21 February 2016 15: 14
      +2
      Empire is a purely rational thing. An empire cannot cease to be an empire. Unless, if drooling.
    7. MMX
      MMX 21 February 2016 18: 52
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "So what is it, this Russian way is fascinating and incomprehensible" ////

      Empires have their own life cycle: generation, expansion (expansion),
      the growth of wealth and power, the struggle with other empires over territory and influence, the extinction, impoverishment, and finally, the transformation from an empire into an ordinary sovereign state.
      Rome-Italy, Spain, Great Britain, ... others have gone through this complete cycle.


      What about the USA? Gone a cycle?
      And how to regard the totality of RI and the USSR? Was the USSR a continuation of RI or a new reincarnation?
    8. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 21 February 2016 19: 55
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      & yauot; So what is it, this Russian path is captivating and incomprehensible & yauot; ////

      Empires have their own life cycle: generation, expansion (expansion),
      the growth of wealth and power, the struggle with other empires over territory and influence, the extinction, impoverishment, and finally, the transformation from an empire into an ordinary sovereign state.
      Rome-Italy, Spain, Great Britain, ... others have gone through this complete cycle.



      dialogue in the KGB in the 70s:
      - Moishe, you were arrested on the red square with the slogan - "CCCP against the Jews" how can you explain this?
      - there was Rome and the Jews: there is no Rome - the Jews remained, beat the 3 Reich and the Jews: 3 no Reich - the Jews remained. Now there are CCCP and Jews - I mean, we reached the final!
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    10. andj61
      andj61 21 February 2016 20: 31
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Empires have their own life cycle: generation, expansion (expansion),
      the growth of wealth and power, the struggle with other empires over territory and influence, the extinction, impoverishment, and finally, the transformation from an empire into an ordinary sovereign state.
      Rome-Italy, Spain, Great Britain, ... others have gone through this complete cycle.

      Others passed ... And someone starts this path anew. And so it can go on endlessly - from a historical perspective, of course. And now there are not very many simple sovereign states. Is it that any Burkina Fasso and Paraguay with Bhutan, which nobody cares ... request And the sovereignty of so many states - in those former empires that you mentioned - is very, very limited. These are the realities of today.
    11. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 21 February 2016 22: 01
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "So what is it, this Russian way is fascinating and incomprehensible" ////

      Empires have their own life cycle: generation, expansion (expansion),
      the growth of wealth and power, the struggle with other empires over territory and influence, the extinction, impoverishment, and finally, the transformation from an empire into an ordinary sovereign state.
      Rome-Italy, Spain, Great Britain, ... others have gone through this complete cycle.

      Fourteen Overseas Territories UK are: Anguilla (capital of Valley), Bermuda (capital of Hamilton), British Antarctic Territory (capital of Rothera), British Indian Ocean Territory (capital of Diego Garcia), British Virgin Islands (capital of Rhode Town), Gibraltar (capital of Gibraltar), Cayman Islands (capital Georgetown), Montserrat Island (capital Plymouth), St. Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha (capital Jamestown), Pitcairn Island (capital Adamstown), Turks and Caicos Islands (capital Coburn Town), Falkland Islands (capital of Stanley), South Georgia and Sandwich Islands South (the capital of Grytviken) and Sovereign Military Bases in Cyprus (the capital of Episkopi). It is also worth noting that there are even more extended British claims on the Antarctic.
      Why not a colonial empire, only everything is framed as if the peoples themselves wanted to be the territory of Great Britain, especially the penguins in Antarctica wanted it. No one ever asked people, weapons and money solved all the issues.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 21 February 2016 22: 30
        0
        Well, these are the remains of the former great British colonial empire. Now the scale is not the same. The territories listed by you are either sparsely populated or have no population at all. And most residents in most of these territories do not want independence.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 February 2016 13: 02
    10
    Totally agree!
    Well, that's how we are, we have a heightened sense of justice. We sat within our borders - why touch us, impose our will, our vision of the world on us? Or is it necessary to remind that "whoever comes from the sword, so by the sword will perish"? That "there is nothing to go to Tula with a Tula samovar"? Is it possible that the West has not yet understood that it is NOT NECESSARY to go where you are not asked, it IS NOT NECESSARY to impose its own rules where there are their own. And all will be well.
    well, if a series of simple truths does not reach the mind, then either the mind is limited, or again it is necessary to teach .... request
    All the same, the truth is on our side, because we are fair, honest, kind, moral ... soldier drinks
    Wow ... laughing hi
    1. Ludendorff
      Ludendorff 21 February 2016 20: 54
      -4
      Quote: Rurikovich
      that it’s NOT NECESSARY to go where you are not being asked, IT IS NOT NECESSARY to impose your orders where your own exist. And all will be well.

      I agree, why did you climb into other nations with your own rules?
      1. MMX
        MMX 21 February 2016 23: 29
        0
        I agree, why did you climb into other nations with your own rules?


        So, everyone froze! Do not scare. I think I found myself another victim on this site ...

        And you, sir, please continue.

  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 21 February 2016 13: 03
    +4
    "I am proud, Russia, that I was born by you." (A. Mayorov) No one will succeed in breaking Russia and its great people. We paid too much for who we are now! Get your dirty hands off my homeland. Not for you to judge, but for us to live here.
    1. ferro4
      ferro4 21 February 2016 16: 43
      -1
      applaud while standing! I want the same for my
  • Malachite
    Malachite 21 February 2016 13: 06
    19
    This is the essence of our soul, too, to see .. What is happening in essence now! drinks
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 February 2016 15: 25
      -2
      Excuse me, did the liberals come up with this joke?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 February 2016 18: 21
        +3
        Quote: iouris
        Excuse me, did the liberals come up with this joke?

        In order to understand it you need a sense of humor, that's all.
  • Achilles
    Achilles 21 February 2016 13: 20
    +3
    Now there is a lot of talk from Europeans about alleged threats from Russia and they believe in it, we need to remind all Europeans that Russia has never waged war on Europe, it was just the opposite, the crusaders went to seize, the Poles during the time of turmoil , Swedes (7-year war), Napoleon, Hitler. Russia in all history has only done what freed Europe from evil and now they still have the conscience to talk about the threat from Russia.
    Judging by the history, I think the truth of Russia is given by God to fight injustice and clean out all this scum that has accumulated from the West
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 21 February 2016 13: 30
    +3
    Good article. Definitely a plus.
    My personal opinion.
    How is Russia different from the west:
    The goal of the West is to subjugate other countries and peoples to itself, in order to become rich at the expense of countries seduced by beautiful slogans about freedom and democracy.
    Russia really turns the course of history in the right direction, giving nations the opportunity to live and develop in accordance with national characteristics and traditions. This is true freedom and democracy.
    The democratic freedoms proclaimed by the United States and the West are lies and hypocrisy: they bring freedom to bandits, scammers, as well as traitors who serve the financial interests of the West.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 21 February 2016 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: olimpiada15
      This is true freedom and democracy.


      And they for you for this, just spit in the face. That will be a blunder, and it already is. Good luck.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 21 February 2016 15: 43
        +2
        But in government affairs one does not have to be like Mother Teresa. The asceticism of one person is the choice of that person, and the state must always be strong.
        The leader of the country must understand that other countries are not members of the same family, they are communities with different traditions and a different understanding.
        Normal relations between countries are like good relations between neighbors: to solve common issues at home together, but not to get into the family relations of neighbors themselves and not to interfere in their family relations, then there will be stable normal relations.
        Unfortunately, what liberal economists are doing now does not comply with the principles of good neighborliness: the solution of internal issues of the Russian economy depends on external factors, which leads to the desire of other countries to solve their problems at the expense of Russia.
        My wish to the head of state, the country should always be ready to repulse aggression, and be so strong that no one would not dare to think about the attack.
        Russia can and should be strong.
  • starper
    starper 21 February 2016 13: 32
    +5
    Ooooh, the author raised a SHOULD TOPIC !!! You can say a lot of words, both good and bad, and much will be true. But I like her !!! As she is! And there is no reason to reason, I just LOVE my homeland! Ek got me through :-)
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 21 February 2016 13: 46
      +3
      Quote: starper
      Ek got me through:

      Yes, not you alone. All. At the same time, Civilians also lit up, apparently beginning to uproot them.
  • Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 21 February 2016 13: 42
    0
    Well, as they say, they carry water to the offended. Well, we remember our grandfathers and our relationship. The main thing is that the true story for our "friends" and foes is always reminded by our media. We know that, but they think that Obama prevented the plague in Europe, etc.
  • Igor V
    Igor V 21 February 2016 13: 43
    +2
    But on the basis of this article, I suggest that amateurs criticize AT Fomenko, who mathematically deduced a hypothesis that there was a Great Empire, which collapsed into a bunch of different fragments, and these fragments, in turn, began to call themselves "godlike".
    The author of the article rendered a great service to the statement of this hypothesis.
  • Alfizik
    Alfizik 21 February 2016 13: 49
    +3
    But isn’t it true that we all relate to a simple peasant, a peasant: we mock, despise ... But he feeds us, teaches us lives, helps us. Similar is known as similar. We learn to respect ourselves - and they will respect us.
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    2. Weyland
      Weyland 21 February 2016 14: 07
      +4
      Quote: Alfizik
      But do we all relate to a simple peasant, a peasant: mock, despise ...


      "You all" only say for myself - And I am so attitude except to the office plankton. And about the peasants, it is better to A.K. You can’t say Tolstoy:

      And, having seen the Stream, down to him
      Patriot turned sternly:
      "Say, do you respect a man?"
      But Stream asks: "What?"
      "Man in general, that great humility!"
      But the Stream says: “There is a man and a man:
      If he doesn’t drink the crop,
      I respect the man then! ”
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 February 2016 13: 50
    +4
    The main rule of politics is to never do good to other countries and you will not be damned by the next generations of these countries.
    Rule two - if you made the mistake indicated above, have the courage and strength to return everything to normal and restore the original state of affairs.

    For this, your descendants will be grateful.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 21 February 2016 13: 51
    +2
    All rogues were reminded, it was time to think about their interests.
  • Weyland
    Weyland 21 February 2016 14: 00
    +2
    This is not a complete list of crimes committed by Russians against the whole world:

    "It worsethan crime is bug!" (from)

    The overwhelming majority of those whom we helped (and most of all, those whom we saved from genocide) paid us with the blackest ingratitude! A lesson for the future: to defend only your interests - and inspire the Maidan in all enemy countries! Why have the oppressed blacks Ferguson and Oregon farmers not yet thrown cookies - neither anti-tank, nor anti-aircraft?! The answer pnd must be adequate!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 21 February 2016 14: 19
      0
      Quote: Weyland
      A lesson for the future: to defend only your interests - and inspire Maidan in all enemy countries

      From the devil these things, then bish from the states. By the way, how is your nickname being read? Isn't Woland accidental?
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 21 February 2016 17: 28
        0
        Quote: EvgNik
        From the devil these things, then bish from the states. By the way, how is your nickname being read? Isn't Woland accidental?


        From Sun Tzu these things. And I strongly suspect that the sepoy uprising is our answer for the Crimea. You must answer meanness with meanness!
        And the nickname reads "Veyland" - he is Wieland, Velund, Veylant, Velent (by the way, people knew how to take revenge on enemies with high quality!). But you guessed it: "Woland" is from here - because stupid b-d-l-o considered all blacksmiths to be sorcerers: "God makes the blind man wise, and the devil manages the blacksmith." And considering that Völund was also lame ...
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  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 February 2016 14: 30
    -4
    Mongolia never had statehood and formed it only with the help of the USSR

    I did not read further.
  • Hecate
    Hecate 21 February 2016 14: 32
    +4
    "Do not do good, you will not get evil" - this phrase perfectly fits international relations. To win independence with the blood of Russian soldiers for foreign states was a huge stupidity and excessive charity for Russia. Bulgaria gained independence from the hands of Russia and who now remembers this in Bulgaria ?! What good has Bulgaria done for Russia ?! Bulgaria has always fought against Russia and is now a NATO member. Russia should never again win independence for someone there. If Russia is fighting somewhere, then where the foot of a Russian soldier has become, the flag of Russia should be raised and nothing else. And Russia should not and is not obliged to win independence for someone.
  • soroKING
    soroKING 21 February 2016 14: 35
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Igor V
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    in the list of Russian "shoals", Poltava is not mentioned, where we have offended the Swedes for nothing ... and also, we did not treat the Kwantung army in a "boyish way".

    Yes, China is on the list! There, in 1935, our pilots fought.

    And they forgot about Miklouho - Maclay.
    * As long as Papua remembers Maclay, no one can defeat them *
    Clausewitz.

    .

    but sho still remember repeat
  • Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 21 February 2016 14: 49
    -7
    articles of such a blow to patriotism have exactly the same relation as a cookbook to the digestive tract
    Conventionally, they can always be divided into three parts:
    1. About nats.pridek of the Great Russians.
    2. Who is to blame
    3. What to do?

    In the first part, the theses "we are saints", "we have benefited everyone, but they have betrayed us all", "we owe everything", "serfdom is not slavery to you" runs like a red thread
    The second: the "fifth column", "Western liberals", "corrupt media"
    Third: drive (see paragraph 2)
    Well, and the search for a national idea, of course, in the light of historical retrospectives.
    Boredom.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 21 February 2016 15: 58
      +4
      It’s possible to make up ... For example, like this:
      To eternal Russian questions for which there are no answers:
      1. Who should live well in Russia?
      2. Who is to blame?
      3. What to do?
      added one more:
      4. Who is guilty that those who do nothing do well in Russia?
      laughing
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 February 2016 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        4. Who is guilty that those who do nothing do well in Russia?

        Ohhhh, here a wide circle of guilty looms. laughing
        1. indulf
          indulf 25 February 2016 12: 55
          0
          And the national composition of this gang lol
  • cyber
    cyber 21 February 2016 14: 50
    +4
    Well, that’s the reason why the citizens of the former Soviet Union republics of the USSR consider Russia arrogant for the umpteenth time. Russia is so arrogant that it allowed itself to create entire states, save entire nations from enslavement, and even from extermination. Even spared the enemies and always gave them a second chance. How can you not imagine living near such a great power that arrogantly gives others more than it receives in return! Russia does not particularly ask for anything in return from its neighbors, except good-neighborly relations. Russia has everything else.
    hi
  • Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 21 February 2016 15: 01
    +1
    There are two aspects to this topic. One aspect is personal - whether or not a question arises for a person about learning an additional language for their further development. If it arises, then this is a sensitive inconvenience. Consequently, he will strive to organize his offspring in this language environment. The second aspect is public. For each linguistic community, the question is about attracting new blood to prevent degradation in development. Therefore, each community attracts new carriers to its side with subsequent assimilation. But the methods of each community are different - yes. Often dirty and illogical. Well, all this fits into the general experience and conclusions are made on the subconscious.
  • prishelec
    prishelec 21 February 2016 15: 07
    -8
    Actually, the Russian way began from the time of Peter the Great!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 21 February 2016 15: 52
      +2
      Actually, before Peter I Russia was ... It is possible to argue with foam at the mouth about when the Russian path began, it is difficult to answer this question unequivocally. But Russian can be considered one who agrees with this:
      If the holy war cry:
      "Throw you Rus, live in paradise!"
      I'll say: "Don't need heaven,
      Give me my homeland. "
      (C)
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 21 February 2016 16: 51
        -2
        Quote: yuriy55
        But Russian can be considered one who agrees with this:

        that is, a measure Russianness need to consider love for hackneyed poetic allegories? For example, I did not like Yesenin and do not like.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 21 February 2016 18: 09
          +1
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          that is, the measure of Russianness should be considered love of hackneyed poetic allegories? For example, I did not like Yesenin and do not like.

          Meryls are many, for example, "Ours are beaten"
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 21 February 2016 19: 01
            -1
            Quote: yuriy55
            I'll say: "Don't need heaven,

            Quote: Tusv
            "Ours are beaten"

            spread from Yesenin birch-maple snot to yard "concepts" laughing
            Not bad.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 21 February 2016 21: 36
              0
              Quote: Zeppelin-ml
              spread from Yesenin birch-maple snot to yard "concepts" laughing
              Not bad.

              Russia = The seventh part of the world, the rest are snot liberals, and in the yard ... Liberal. Face sanctions
    2. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 21 February 2016 16: 44
      +2
      Quote: prishelec
      Actually, the Russian way began from the time of Peter the Great!

      Russian the path begins with the Russian language. Four mistakes in a short sentence is, you know, a bit too much, given the mighty idea of ​​the "Russian way".
      1. prishelec
        prishelec 21 February 2016 20: 23
        -2
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        The Russian way begins with the Russian language.

        Well, the Russian language begins with the same Peter I, you understand the "reform"!
        1. cedar
          cedar 22 February 2016 19: 28
          +1
          The empire begins with him, not the language, in fact the German! Then the Russians called all foreigners Germans. With this reformer, taxes increased 16 times. The people, legs in hand, fled to the north, to Siberia, to the Zaporozhye Sich. This was not the beginning of the language, but the shaped end of the language - the people! Read Gumelev. The people gave this reformer a clear diagnosis for his "exploits" - ANTICHRIST! He is a bricklayer ...
        2. Seal
          Seal 23 February 2016 09: 16
          0
          Quote: prishelec
          Well, and the Russian language begins with the same Peter I,
          And here it is for example
          http://gramoty.ru/?no=109&act=full
          non-russian language? And you don’t understand him at all?
  • taram taramych
    taram taramych 21 February 2016 15: 14
    +2
    At the expense of Serbia, of course, Roslyakov bent a little, she lost her independence back in 1389, after the tragic battle on the Kosovo field. That’s why they say Kosovo is the pain of Serbia.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 February 2016 22: 36
      +1
      By the way, on the side of the Serbs, Albanian troops also fought in this battle.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 21 February 2016 15: 46
    +1
    Did anyone say that Russia wants to be like the West? We strive to integrate, and this is not the same thing. To live simply apart is no longer profitable, therefore deep economic ties are needed. Russian, Russian values ​​as they were, so they will be! And the people of "rolling fields" as they were and will be. Therefore, the "selection of personnel" in the leadership of the country is of great importance so that these people really know history, love the people and their country! And instead of condemning something or someone, simply to work to make the largest possible number of citizens live happier. Then there will be no need to look over the hill all the time that everything is "good" there.
    1. cyber
      cyber 21 February 2016 16: 12
      +1
      Therefore, it is of great importance to "recruit personnel" in the country's leadership, so that these people truly know history, love the people and their country! And instead of condemning something or someone, simply work to ensure that as many citizens as possible begin to live happier. Then you will not have to look over the hill all the time that everything is "good" there.

      Yes, but this requires completely different elites in Russia! This is generally a sore spot of the Russian state for many centuries. The intelligentsia in Russia is extremely strange from the point of view of a common man in the street. Without "iron grip", the so-called Russian elite did more harm to the state, and the "driven into a stall" seemed to be working for the benefit of society, but all the time trying to get more freedoms, although they did not know how to use these freedoms properly for the benefit of Russian society. As a result, we have what we have periodically: turmoil and revolution. During periods of calm, the Russian elites become insolent and extremely maddened, forgetting that their well-being directly depends on the people, which they arrogantly begin to literally despise. There is no agreement between different strata of society - hence the weakness of the Russian state is ripening! Outside enemies also understand that the most dangerous enemy of Russia is inside it! All Russia's losses in history have always been associated with the violation of the binding bonds in Russian society, i.e. mainly, the lesions are caused precisely by internal causes. Westernism, the genuflection of the Russian elites in front of the West to the detriment of Russian identity and Russian interests is one of the main troubles. Even now you can observe a similar attitude towards the West in the form of constant exhortations of "partners" in the purity of Russia's intentions, persuasion "not to do bad to us" bringing NATO closer to our borders, justifying certain actions of Russia by the fact that Russia thinks of the West as partner despite all the nasty things that the West is doing to Russia.
      Somehow it turns out.
      1. Seal
        Seal 23 February 2016 09: 26
        0
        Westernism, kneeling of Russian elites before the West to the detriment of Russian identity, Russian interests - this is one of the main troubles.

        Exactly. I said earlier and I will repeat it more than once.
        The Tatar yoke is an invention of the Poles, who aimed to prove that Poland is the last outpost of civilization in the East of Europe. Then, when, in the course of the Napoleonic troops, the Europeans saw real Tatars in Europe and Paris and were surprised that these Tatars - exactly the same Europeans as themselves - European historians quickly began to transform the "Tatar yoke" first into the Tatar-Mongol, then into "Mongol-Tatar", and now often even we ourselves are limited to one "Mongolian". And the Khalkha nation was appointed to the post of the Mongols. Likewise, when the Swedes had to designate the rights to the "Kemsk volost" - Shved Peter Petrei created a theory that once the Vikings, who are Swedes, were called to rule Russia. And so the word "Mongol" in Turkic means the eternal country "Mangi el". The Millennial Reich, for example, also had the Deutschland Mangi el (Germanic Mongols).
        Well, and our liberals, who already looked to the West with admiration, unanimously picked up these theories that yes, here we are, silver-footed, have been under the yoke for 300 years, but before that we could not figure it out - we had to call the Varangians from overseas to rule us. Ugh ..
        None of the birch bark letters ever contain the words: "Tatar", "Mongol", Mongol-Tatar "." Tatar-Mongol ", Baskak", "Khan," Great Khan "," Horde "," yoke ", "Batu", etc. But the current liberals, relying on Karamzin, spit in the soul of our ancestors, who did not suspect that they were "under the yoke."
        These liberals, these duty officers, these cheap things, who are ready to sell for any currency, are in fact traitors to the Russian people, because they inspire and inspire day and night (especially with the EBN) this idiotic fantasy about the "Tatar-Mongol yoke", like , be patient, dear Russians, it used to be even worse ... but we still got out of that shit, and get out of the present. Someday. 300 years later.
        They, these adherents of the Tatar-Mongol yoke, ”suggest that, they say, it’s okay that tens of millions of migrant workers and refugees from all over the world (not only from Central Asia, but also from all three Transcaucasian republics, too) were flooded with Russia. It used to be like that too - Tatar-Mongols, for example. Moreover, those (Tatar-Mongols) were even worse, since they installed the "yoke" ... but nothing ... we managed ....
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  • ava09
    ava09 21 February 2016 16: 05
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Empires have their own life cycle: generation, expansion (expansion),
    the growth of wealth and power, the struggle with other empires over territory and influence, the extinction, impoverishment, and finally, the transformation from an empire into an ordinary sovereign state.
    Rome-Italy, Spain, Great Britain, ... others have gone through this complete cycle.


    You have confused concepts. The Russian "empire" has in common with the aforementioned empires only the name and the enormous size of the territory. The main thing is missing - the relationship between METROPOLY and COLONIES.
  • onix757
    onix757 21 February 2016 17: 01
    +3
    Today, by virtue of our internal troubles and problems, we ourselves have proved to be a weak global link.

    And who is to blame for him. Not the oligarchs had to be bred for all 16 years and plundered the Soviet legacy but to build a country in the name and for the people.
    You need to turn exclusively on your own, no matter how Gref and Chubais laugh at him

    The Tsar does not know that he surrounded himself with representatives of the 6th column or ..
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 21 February 2016 17: 37
    0
    This article should be printed in Western publications. It was just great! good Maybe all the same it came to somebody ... although there are big doubts, the brain was washed out to the people specifically. Many do not know how to compare events and facts fool
  • Yak28
    Yak28 21 February 2016 18: 08
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    Millions of Russian people died in wars defending different states, saving entire nations from destruction, and received black ingratitude as a reward. But didn’t it have to be figurative? They would have cut the Turks of Georgians, Armenians, Bulgarians, etc. and spit. Yes, and in World War I it was not worth getting the result of millions of killed and wounded collapse of the Russian Empire. Napoleon’s intervention with the Nazis was another matter, they attacked, they got it, there was no choice.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 21 February 2016 18: 10
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    Quote: onix757
    Not the oligarchs had to be bred for all 16 years and plundered the Soviet legacy but to build a country in the name of and for the people.

    In the early 70s, Gorbachev, the then leader of the Stavropol Territory, said to one of the leaders of Czechoslovakia about the "Prague Spring": "We have to travel this path too. Therefore, we must prepare in advance."
    Andropov knew about this conversation. And if Brezhnev and Suslov knew about this, Gorbachev’s career would be over.
    These are the thoughts on building the country at that time that the future leader of the USSR had.
  • vsoltan
    21 February 2016 18: 55
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    Thank you very much for the next topical article of the VO administration! .. hi
  • mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 21 February 2016 20: 19
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    those who owe them fear
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    2. Ludendorff
      Ludendorff 21 February 2016 21: 39
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      But Chubais still could.
  • LukaSaraev
    LukaSaraev 21 February 2016 20: 25
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    And therefore it is necessary to drive the “Europeans” Gref, Chubais, Kudrin and others like us from our helm.

    And how to drive ??? GO TO ... And they went, driven by the wind .... Or, to protest me, do not turn on the lights and do not receive pension in the bank.
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  • gamer
    gamer 21 February 2016 20: 42
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    I think the topic !!! hi
  • Governor
    Governor 21 February 2016 21: 00
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    Quote: LukaSaraev
    And therefore it is necessary to drive the “Europeans” Gref, Chubais, Kudrin and others like us from our helm.

    And how to drive ??? GO TO ... And they went, driven by the wind .... Or, to protest me, do not turn on the lights and do not receive pension in the bank.


    Well, the point is that no one will ever drive them out. Putin is liberal, they are liberals - this sweet company is doing great.
    The article is yet another hooray, a throw-in about the Russian way and other nonsense. And people like it, well, nice.
    1. Ludendorff
      Ludendorff 21 February 2016 21: 19
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      Quote: Governor
      And people like it, well, nice.

      Chubais is pleased that Vanya swallows everything.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 21 February 2016 21: 49
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    your own special no matter how Gref and Chubais laugh at him, путь
    He is.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 21 February 2016 21: 54
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    Quote: Ros 56
    The main rule of politics is to never do good to other countries and you will not be damned by the next generations of these countries.
    Rule two - if you made the mistake indicated above, have the courage and strength to return everything to normal and restore the original state of affairs.

    For this, your descendants will be grateful.

    Descendants will not be grateful for the constant wars and contention among neighbors. We do not live on the island.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 21 February 2016 22: 45
    +1
    The "Russian way" is really incomprehensible, so let's tell us in life who puts sticks in the wheels? yes, this is the same America and England, but they were also our allies in the last two wars ... but let's say our "brothers" Bulgarians ... Finns ... Romanians ... if only they were thanks to Russia and the blood of Russian guys gained independence, but at the same time in the same wars they fought against us ..., hmm ..., this is the truth of life ...
  • Alexander 67
    Alexander 67 21 February 2016 23: 30
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    The author mentioned that Russia restored Polish statehood twice, but forgot the very first one. Even during the reign of Alexander II Pavlovich, at one of the great receptions, the herald proclaimed a strange for those times small title of the Russian Emperors: "Sovereign ............. and the Grand Duke of Moscow, Tsar of Poland, etc. and etc. and so on. " This immediately drew the attention of all the European diplomats present at the reception. Before that, Poland was not even mentioned. And on the lands that went to the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Prussia, even attempts were made to erase their belonging from the memory of the people.
    1. Seal
      Seal 23 February 2016 09: 39
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      Alexander II Pavlovich

      Either Alexander I Pavlovich or Alexander II Nikolaevich.