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T-50 showed record speed while climbing

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During the test, the Russian fighter T-50 (PAK FA) showed one of the best rates for rate of climb, leads Look Post AirForce resource - Swords Of Sky, published in Facebook.




According to the resource, the T-50 gained altitude at a speed of 384 m / s.

"Thus, the PAK FA could climb Mount Everest in 23 seconds - faster than any other fighter in the world," the publication reported.

According to the newspaper, previously one of the best climb rate in the world belonged to the Russian Su-27 - 345 m / s. In Su-35, for example, this indicator is only 280 m / s.

Help newspaper: “T-50 (project PAK FA) is a fifth-generation Russian aircraft equipped with a fundamentally new avionics complex and a promising radar with a phased antenna array. The first flight took place in 2010, in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the first public display of the fighter - in 2011, at the MAKS aerospace show in Zhukovsky near Moscow. ”
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 20 February 2016 13: 09
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    Now let's listen to the apologists for the F-35. Right now, our Israeli friends will talk about the benefits of a miracle plane. They will competently explain to us that climb is not the main characteristic of a 5th generation fighter. smile Naturally, who wants to admit that the Americans raped them like suckers. In addition, we have fans of the flawed Lokhidov's brainchild, also in abundance. Support the word of the Israelites, if Che.
    1. vodolaz
      vodolaz 20 February 2016 13: 18
      55
      Very beautiful plane.
      1. Giant thought
        Giant thought 20 February 2016 13: 28
        22
        As they say cheaply and angrily, that’s where the reasonable combination of price and quality is our T-50. Most likely, the T-50 will be the best combat aircraft in its class.
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 20 February 2016 13: 42
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          Quote: Thought Giant
          cheap and cheerful

          I doubt the cheapness of the t-50.
          1. Homo
            Homo 20 February 2016 14: 30
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            Quote: sir.jonn
            I doubt the cheapness of the t-50.

            Good is never cheap.
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 20 February 2016 16: 39
              +5
              Interestingly, did he pass the sound threshold in horizontal acceleration, or in the process of lifting?
              1. ivanych
                ivanych 20 February 2016 20: 46
                10
                ... actually: the speed of sound is 330 ms, so everything is clear here.
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 20 February 2016 21: 08
                  11
                  Not at all clear. It is one thing when it is horizontally accelerated to 2M, and then a handle on itself and a candle up, fixing a record lifting speed. Another thing is when, at a speed of 0,8 M, he selects a pitch of 40 degrees and cuts the boost after accelerating to 2M. Then the lifting speed will be the same, but the 2nd method is more difficult.
                  1. demchuk.ig
                    demchuk.ig 21 February 2016 12: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    Not at all clear. It’s one thing when in the horizontal it accelerates to 2M, and then the handle on itself and the candle up

                    At 2MAX and a candle up? Can you imagine overload?
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 22 February 2016 17: 49
                      -2
                      Quote: demchuk.ig
                      Quote: Mahmut
                      Not at all clear. It’s one thing when in the horizontal it accelerates to 2M, and then the handle on itself and the candle up

                      At 2MAX and a candle up? Can you imagine overload?

                      I was hoping that the T-50 overcomes one stroke without afterburner, as blessed believers say ... Or did some words in this short announcement pass by the brain tormented by Saturday? ...
              2. demo
                demo 21 February 2016 17: 55
                -3
                Haha
                Laughed at your humor!
                Five points!
            2. RUSIVAN
              RUSIVAN 20 February 2016 19: 53
              10
              Cheapness in this case was due to the correlation of opportunities with competitors in its class, they wrote about it to you, and you already hit into demagoguery ...
            3. Aljavad
              Aljavad 21 February 2016 18: 44
              +4
              sir.jonn (1) PL Yesterday, 13:42 ↑
              Quote: Giant thought
              cheap and cheerful
              I doubt the cheapness of the t-50.
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              Homo (1) RU Yesterday, 14:30 p.m. ↑
              Quote: sir.jonn
              I doubt the cheapness of the t-50.
              Good is never cheap.


              So depending on what to compare ... Next to the F-35, for example, ours is not expensive. And next to Lada Kalina - uuuuuuuuu! laughing
              1. navalskii
                navalskii 24 February 2016 07: 03
                0
                not the fact that viburnum is faster
          2. Azitral
            Azitral 20 February 2016 15: 02
            +5
            Fact. But you still have to do it.
          3. nemez
            nemez 20 February 2016 15: 33
            22
            believe it at times cheaper and more reliable f-35
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 20 February 2016 19: 28
              +5
              Quote: nemez
              believe it at times cheaper and more reliable f-35


              Time will tell, but for now, India plans to buy PAK FA at a price of $ 100 million per plane.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 20 February 2016 23: 47
                +2
                Rather, the engine would be dear to him!
            2. dauria
              dauria 20 February 2016 21: 55
              +4
              believe it at times cheaper and more reliable f-35


              Due to what exactly who exactly it will become cheaper, and even at times smile ? Or was something surprising used in its production and development, the production of all subcontractors from a piece of metal to the last wiring? Magic wand ? Or black robots? Or man-hours (and this is perhaps the most accurate criterion) for it less than the F-35? If it is bought cheaply by the Moscow Region, it underpays someone, either to the owner of the plant, or to hard workers. Guess three times.
          4. tol100v
            tol100v 20 February 2016 16: 32
            +7
            Quote: sir.jonn
            Quote: Thought Giant
            cheap and cheerful
            I doubt the cheapness of the t-50.

            Compared to Fak-35, almost free!
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 20 February 2016 19: 36
              +2
              Quote: Tol100v
              Compared to Fak-35, almost free!


              SW Igor, you have an ardent opponent - someone Mr. Oleg Kaptsov.
              This blue-eyed expert stated: "Regrettably, the Lightning is the cheapest of the 4+ and 5 generation fighters. "You can see for yourself. Quite recently everything was. You can even add negative

              See http://topwar.ru/page,1,2,85475-f-35-dostig-boevoy-gotovnosti.html
          5. fisherman2
            fisherman2 21 February 2016 11: 01
            +1
            Looking with what to compare, the F-35 is five times more expensive and without weapons
            1. cedar
              cedar 21 February 2016 17: 47
              +2
              If I am mistaken correct. In Penduras, the surplus value is 14 times higher than ours, respectively, and the average salary in the hospital is their wow, hence their self-made carpets at the cost of yoke!
              And what do you want, "the dollar is not the ruble, we do not understand what attracts it to the heights ..."
              And it would be nice when we unfasten ourselves from the buck, on the sovereign ruble T-50 depict in all its glory!
              1. the polar
                the polar 21 February 2016 18: 22
                0
                If the bankers, the owners of more than one hundred bankrupt banks in the 2015 year, were not allowed to go through hard times abroad and confiscated everything they had stolen from depositors, then more than a hundred T-50 could be built with zero budget costs, or 200 T-50 with a selling value of not more than 50 mln. $ pieces. And at the same time pay a decent salary to engineers and developers.
        2. cniza
          cniza 20 February 2016 13: 46
          19
          Our defense industry has always been distinguished by the fact that squeezing the maximum out of the minimum for relatively little money.
          1. VeterS
            VeterS 20 February 2016 13: 51
            20
            During the Second World War, we have a metal utilization rate in the production of armored vehicles was significantly higher than that of Europe, which fought with us, led by nemchura. so the tradition must be continued. "... Can you? ... - We can !!!"
            1. Mama_Cholli
              Mama_Cholli 20 February 2016 16: 31
              +2
              Quote: VeterS
              During the Second World War, we have a metal utilization rate in the production of armored vehicles was significantly higher than that of Europe, which fought with us, led by nemchura. so the tradition must be continued. "... Can you? ... - We can !!!"

              Please explain what you wanted to say about some factor?
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 20 February 2016 18: 11
                +4
                Well, he probably wanted to say that the amount of money spent on weapons brought much more damage to the enemy than vice versa. And about metal, I think got excited. It’s rather the other way around ...
                1. alexng
                  alexng 20 February 2016 18: 45
                  +6
                  He wanted to say that using the tilt of armor in the manufacture of armored vehicles allowed the use of less metal without loss of efficiency.
              2. romanru4
                romanru4 20 February 2016 19: 53
                +3
                Very simple cost / effectiveness.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 22 February 2016 18: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: romanru4
                  Very simple cost / effectiveness.

                  While both devices exist only in prototypes or in a small-series sky-ready, it is impossible to even evaluate the effectiveness.
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            3. andrewkor
              andrewkor 20 February 2016 16: 55
              +5
              And how do you like 1000 submarines, jet and rocket technology, many innovations in other areas of weapons and military equipment. The atomic project was also developed. All this required a lot of resources on which the USSR simply did not spend. I also forgot about the useless "Tirpitz" and "Bismarck". Nazi, I just read books.
            4. Voha_krim
              Voha_krim 20 February 2016 18: 38
              +3
              Quote: VeterS
              - We can !!! "

              We can’t, but we can!
          2. demo
            demo 21 February 2016 18: 00
            +1
            I would not want to upset you, but our defense industry is far from cheap.
            Not so long ago there was an article about "Sevmash".
            So the pepper there boasted that when fulfilling orders of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation profit. You see more than from civilians.
            Here is the distinguishing feature of our defense industry.
            "Beat your own, so that strangers would be afraid!" - whether?
            1. Fat
              Fat 22 February 2016 20: 20
              +1
              NOT RECEIVED. However, you are correct. Parasite ?, I won’t stop deploying ... The military-industrial complex is far from insanity and cheap ... keep from excellent words Keep all criteria in normal constraints and requests ...
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        4. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 13: 59
          -43 qualifying.
          Quote: Giant thought
          As they say cheaply and angrily, that’s where the reasonable combination of price and quality is our T-50. Most likely, the T-50 will be the best combat aircraft in its class.

          Well, not so cheap.
          India and Russia have finally agreed to lower their spending on a fifth-generation fighter to $ 4 billion each reports AMCA source India's first indigenous stealth fighter.
          An agreement has also been reached allowing the Indian Air Force to purchase fewer fighters from the original plan.
          According to Indian media reports, the country's air force recently announced that it intends to acquire about 60 FGFA fighters to equip three squadrons (previously the figure was 120 vehicles). The purchase price of one aircraft will be 220 million US dollarsthat is twice as much as the price of the Su-30MKI in full set.
          even if we assume that India, in spite of its investments in FGFA, will buy cars at a quarter more expensive than the Russian Federation, all the same we are talking about the fact that PAK FA will cost up to $ 180 million.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 20 February 2016 14: 15
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            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            even if we assume that India, in spite of its investments in FGFA, will buy cars at a quarter more expensive than the Russian Federation, all the same we are talking about the fact that PAK FA will cost up to $ 180 million.

            And why did you decide what exactly "by a quarter"? Are you targeting the promotion of retail chains? But we also learned how to make deals and sell at twice the price. laughing
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 14: 18
              -21 qualifying.
              Quote: Ami du peuple

              And why did you decide what exactly "by a quarter"? Focusing on the promotion of retail chains? We also learned how to make gesheft and sell at twice the price. laughing

              if only because India is investing in the development of the machine, which will undoubtedly affect the final price for purchases.
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 20 February 2016 14: 46
                22
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                if only because India is investing in the development of the machine, which will undoubtedly affect the final price for purchases.
                Dear Aron, the Su-30MS assembly of NPK Irkut costs the Russian Aerospace Forces in the region of $ 50 million. According to you, the Su-30MKI (meaning the Indian assembly, I suppose) costs the Indians $ 110 million. As they say, feel the difference.
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 14: 58
                  15
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  if only because India is investing in the development of the machine, which will undoubtedly affect the final price for purchases.
                  Dear Aron, the Su-30MS assembly of NPK Irkut costs the Russian Aerospace Forces $ 50 million. According to you, the Su-30MKI (meaning the Indian assembly, I believe) costs the Indians $ 110 million. As they say, feel the difference.

                  That's right, but there is one thing but hi . The price of any car includes the price of its development. Su-30MKI is a car created entirely with Russian money, while India initially invests a large amount in FGFA. Yes, and we can not ignore that the Su-30 is a deep, but still modernization of the Su-27, and the PAK FA is a fundamentally new machine that can not rely on either the experience of developing its predecessor or its production facilities. Only the creation of new materials for the airframe and the organization of production for their release, was to throw up the price, and the rest? New engine, promising avionics, new weapons. Count not count. And the Indians should not forget that the Su-30 MKI is a more expensive machine due to the integration of French and Israeli avionics into it.
                  1. Ami du peuple
                    Ami du peuple 20 February 2016 15: 21
                    15
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    Su-30MKI is a car created entirely with Russian money, while India initially invests a large amount in FGFA. And one cannot ignore that the Su-30 is a deep, but still modernization of the Su-27, and the PAK FA is a fundamentally new machine,

                    That's right, but there is one thing but hi Until full-scale serial production begins, talking about the final price of the T-50 for Russian (namely Russian) aircraft is too early. In addition, consider an important factor - the current ruble exchange rate relative to the US currency. Let not half as much, but a third for sure, the final cost will come out.
                    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                      Uncle VasyaSayapin 20 February 2016 16: 51
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                      Dear! The question is, no offense will be said: Do we have minus visitors for the flag or just a lot of people who disagree with Aron?
                      1. Ami du peuple
                        Ami du peuple 20 February 2016 16: 56
                        10
                        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
                        Dear! The question is, no offense will be said: Do we have minus visitors for the flag or just a lot of people who disagree with Aron?

                        I can not tell. I personally do not minus the flag. And in general, Aron is not a minus - he really gives weighty arguments in support of his point of view.
                        Probably, respected members of the forum triggered a psychological stereotype - if there are a lot of minuses, then the opponent is categorically wrong. Most can't be wrong, right? It turns out differently, Uncle Vasya, that you reproached the local people with anti-Semitism bully
                      2. bulvas
                        bulvas 20 February 2016 17: 12
                        -11 qualifying.
                        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
                        Dear! The question is, no offense will be said: Do we have minus visitors for the flag or just a lot of people who disagree with Aron?


                        I think many here are minus for the flag.
                        I’m not surprised if they don’t even read the flag, they just minus and move on.

                      3. dali
                        dali 20 February 2016 18: 34
                        0
                        Quote: bulvas
                        I think many here are minus for the flag.
                        I’m not surprised if they don’t even read the flag, they just minus and move on.

                        He invented it or who suggested it?

                        I respect the Jews ... many representatives are the smartest people ... but Aron Zaavi, fortunately or unfortunately (I don’t even know what to say), doesn’t apply to them ...

                        And you are making a conclusion only from the presence of the flag and thinking that many others also do the same ... they don’t judge people on their own, but they forgot the Russian proverb ... although I ... you are a bulwas case not from the Baltic, fed by mattresses ... laughing
                      4. Bayonet
                        Bayonet 20 February 2016 20: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: Dali
                        He invented it or who suggested it?

                        So you can see !!! Only the blind will not notice!
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                      6. bulvas
                        bulvas 20 February 2016 22: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Dali
                        He invented it or who suggested it?


                        I am sure about that.

                        Many here, as well as in general in the country, do not really think about the essence, they increasingly use stereotypes.

                        I am so sorry
                    2. bulvas
                      bulvas 21 February 2016 02: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: Dali
                      Bulvas you are not from the Baltic case fed with mattresses


                      If interested, originally from Siberia, I now live in the suburbs

                      Name - Vasily, bul - from an extreme dog (I love serious dogs) bullmastiff, vas - on behalf of

                      I treat every nation the same way as we all who were born and raised in the USSR, the main thing is what a person stands for, and not what flag he is under

                      The fact that our people are now under different flags is the fault of the Communists, who could not create normal living conditions (they should primarily care about people, not about themselves) and not people who chose a different life for themselves and their children.

                      By the way, the use of stamps to attract attention does not show you as a worthy opponent


                    3. dali
                      dali 21 February 2016 15: 01
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                      Quote: bulvas
                      By the way, the use of stamps to attract attention does not show you as a worthy opponent

                      And what is a stamp in my comment? belay
                      Just the opposite - the stamps are a stick out of you ... it's enough that you count many as "flag evaluators" ... you should take a closer look at yourself. Yes, and you have chosen a forum name ...

                      By the way, dogs with the prefix bul, do not cause any good associations ... dangerous breeds of dogs and those who keep them ... not the most adequate people ...
                    4. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 21 February 2016 15: 21
                      +3
                      Quote: Dali
                      By the way, dogs with the prefix bul, do not cause any good associations ... dangerous breeds of dogs and those who keep them ... not the most adequate people ...

                      Sorry ... but I had a 12-year-old pit bull terrier. I adored children, although I could easily stand up for myself. A simple example: 8 dogs (pack) rushed at my brother, and the smallest was bigger than my dog. He did not hesitate with them, and his brother from that case left a scar on his hand.
                      It does not matter what breed of dog. And among the owners of the lapdogs there are enough inadequate. How you raise a dog, that is how it will be.
                    5. dali
                      dali 22 February 2016 01: 26
                      -1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Sorry ... but I had a 12-year-old pit bull terrier. I adored children, although I could easily stand up for myself. A simple example: 8 dogs (pack) rushed at my brother, and the smallest was bigger than my dog. He did not hesitate with them, and his brother from that case left a scar on his hand.
                      It does not matter what breed of dog. And among the owners of the lapdogs there are enough inadequate. How you raise a dog, that is how it will be.

                      This does not mean that how you can’t have it ... but there is a tendency ... and you can’t argue against it ...
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                    7. bulvas
                      bulvas 22 February 2016 17: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Dali

                      This does not mean that how you can’t have it ... but there is a tendency ... and you can’t argue against it ...


                      Quote: Dali

                      By the way, dogs with the prefix bul, do not cause any good associations ... dangerous breeds of dogs and those who keep them ... not the most adequate people ...


                      If you don’t understand something, you don’t have to tell everyone about it with a smart look and with clever words.

                      What is the trend?

                      In Russia, since the 90s, there has been a fashionable tendency to bring up an animal from any dog, "that would break any."

                      If you remember, then they rushed to any breed that is "more terrible". They frightened with any breed that had not been heard here before.

                      If interested, a bullmastiff is first of all a mastiff and only then a bulldog (60% and 40%) and not a bull terrier at all.

                      Bullmastiffs are by nature accustomed not to cripple people, but to stop looking.

                      Read about them, be surprised.
                      This will be more useful for you than sticking labels without understanding the issue.

                      Write better about what you understand, write about the country under whose flag you are performing, what about "feeding with mattresses"?

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            3. demo
              demo 21 February 2016 18: 07
              0
              This flag is no longer loved.
              But let's see what its owner writes.
          2. ty60
            ty60 21 February 2016 02: 30
            0
            Here is an exclusively minus for your attitude to the forum users.
          3. spinner
            spinner 21 February 2016 11: 54
            0
            It would be nice to introduce a rule if you put a minus then explain the reason.
          4. Yars
            Yars 21 February 2016 23: 43
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            Quote: bulvas
            Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Dear! The question is, no offense will be said: Do we have minus visitors for the flag or just a lot of people who disagree with Aron?


            I think many here are minus for the flag.
            I’m not surprised if they don’t even read the flag, they just minus and move on.

            where does his shoulder straps come from then?
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      2. demo
        demo 21 February 2016 18: 05
        0
        Definitely for the flag. Although he doesn’t like me the same.
        But I endure.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 February 2016 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Until full-scale serial production begins, talking about the final price of the T-50 for Russian (namely Russian) aircraft is too early.

      Why then these phrases - "cheap and cheerful", "Compared to" Fak-35 ", almost free!", "Believe me, it is several times cheaper and more reliable than the f-35".
      What is this idle talk about? request
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 20 February 2016 21: 56
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Until full-scale serial production begins, talking about the final price of the T-50 for Russian (namely Russian) aircraft is too early.
        Quote: Bayonet
        Why then these phrases - "cheap and angry",
        This is not my phrase.
        Quote: Bayonet
        "Compared to the Fak-35, almost free!", "Believe me, it is several times cheaper and more reliable than the f-35".
        And this is not mine either.
        So go in the ass. Or learn to quote.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 February 2016 06: 15
        -1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        And this is not mine either.
        So go in the ass. Or learn to quote.

        Only after you! I quoted others in order to show the cap-and-tone tone of some comments! Learn to catch the point!
  • Lex.
    Lex. 20 February 2016 19: 32
    +8
    invests a large amount
    Well, it seems like Indians are still being traded like in the eastern bazaar, and it is not yet known how it will all end
  • Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant 23 February 2016 13: 23
    0
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    if only because India is investing in the development of the machine, which will undoubtedly affect the final price for purchases.

    And what about the "Israeli" wink did not say correctly that he was so minded? For example, I added ... For, yes, the Indians invested in the project BEFORE receiving the result. And the result, in general, could have been not so positive .. (we all remember the SU-47 "Berkut")? We could not defeat the vibration of the wing ... And here the situation could be like this. Therefore, "share the risks - get a discount." So the "markup" for the device during the sale will be much less than the "market" one, but no one will sell at a "minus", of course!
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 20 February 2016 15: 18
    17
    I’m not surprised, just take into account that the T-50 is a new generation and can be developed on its basis for another 30 years, so that costs will be reduced. It should be borne in mind that the cost of an hour of flight of the T-50 is much lower than that of the generation SU-27 - SU-35, according to the press about five times, and this is a lot of importance when choosing an airplane. Remember the old truth: You can relatively cheaply buy a cool car, but the price of maintenance includes its real margin, which can reach another 40% of its original price. Hindus pay for competencies which they do not have and are unlikely to appear in the near future. And for us, this money reduces costs and guarantees sales. if the Indians did not hang around and bought 200 aircraft, then they would have cost them two times less than the F-35.
    1. Lex.
      Lex. 21 February 2016 18: 58
      +3
      It should be borne in mind that the cost of an hour of flight of the T-50 is much lower than that of
      Well, these are fairy tales; a super-duper plane cannot be cheaper than a su-27
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 20 February 2016 16: 22
    +2
    According to available information, the cost of one T 50 for India is planned in 100 million dollars, though (probably) without taking into account investments in R&D.
    1. the polar
      the polar 21 February 2016 18: 47
      0
      Quote: sharp-lad
      According to available information, the cost of one T 50 for India is planned in 100 million dollars, though (probably) without taking into account investments in R&D.

      When there was the Soviet State Planning Commission, all R&D costs were scrupulously considered and laid down in the cost of production, as return financing for the same R&D. Now the situation is different, research institutes are working for corporate interests, and the same R&D with unprincipled changes in performance characteristics (for example, AFAR, or software systems) can be resold to different customers several times at about the same price.
  • cucujamba
    cucujamba 20 February 2016 21: 24
    0
    And fu35 lope costs?
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 20 February 2016 20: 34
    0
    Quote: Thought Giant
    As they say cheaply and angrily, that’s where a reasonable combination of price and quality

    If you have information on how much it costs "cheap", you can share - well, very curious! hi
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 20 February 2016 23: 53
    -2
    Quote: Thought Giant
    As they say cheaply and angrily, that’s where the reasonable combination of price and quality is our T-50. Most likely, the T-50 will be the best combat aircraft in its class.


    10 years in a modest lead. The F35th pepelats (yes, I don’t see a competitor) is a feeder for the US lobbyists, but our handsome man is for a long time, is it in vain that the designers are so busy with him? A mortgage for the 6th generation is being prepared. The engine, you need an engine, the engine needs a second stage, then the third - the glider is ready, weapons are on the way, we are waiting.
  • Serg koma
    Serg koma 22 February 2016 09: 58
    +1
    To achieve "records" in the automotive industry, mirrors and wipers were removed, all cracks were sealed, the internal combustion engine was adjusted, "non-standard" fuel / oil was used, etc.
    To evaluate REAL indicators, in REAL conditions, by ORDINARY pilots - only after that sing praises. WHILE this is only a PROTOTYPE OF AIRCRAFT. In 40 they sang - "... but we won't give up our inch either!", So there is no need to step on the rake again. It is necessary to bring the plane to the series, enter the troops, bring it "to mind", and only after that declare - THE FASTEST, THE MOST maneuverable and generally THE BEST !!! With two hands for the fact that OUR aviation was the best in the world, but not in prototypes, but in combat vehicles.
  • bve56
    bve56 20 February 2016 13: 44
    -22 qualifying.
    in fact, "flankers" are prettier, but the essence of the EU is not that. The ascent rate is actually the same as that of the Su-27, if you count, since the difference is insignificant. I was surprised that the Su-35 has much less, which is strange.

    ps the question of maneuverability remains. It seems that this "beauty" will negatively affect this characteristic. Although, if so quick on the rise .... time will tell.

    Serge Babkov
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 20 February 2016 14: 17
      20
      Quote: bve56
      Serge Babkov

      It was necessary to sign this way: "Seryoga Babkov, Esq. aviation expert. "And everyone would be immediately impressed wink No offense hi
      1. bve56
        bve56 20 February 2016 22: 50
        +2
        Yes, I’m not offended! I’ll explain what’s the matter .. It’s no secret that in this aircraft Western developments were taken into account when designing. America lagged behind so much in maneuverability that even the US military began to say that now maneuverability is simply not needed. Pay attention to some similarities of the front end up to the cabin and further with modern American designs. Compare. Of course, ours went ahead in terms of vector traction. The same f-35 in general on one engine, which greatly worsens its maneuverability. But f-22 on two, but their vector thrust is noticeably worse. Compare the design of the f-22 and t-50.

        In other words, it was the outward resemblance to modern American projects that raised doubts about the maneuverability of the T-50. That’s the whole logic. Thank you for your kind reply.

        Serge Babkov
        1. SIvan
          SIvan 20 February 2016 23: 57
          +9
          Here is the video. I am not an expert, but it seems to me that maneuverability is on a level.
          1. bve56
            bve56 21 February 2016 00: 12
            +1
            well, yes, there is something in the video ... a cobra and a "helicopter" does! Then all the specialists will talk about the disadvantages and possible advantages. The video gives the impression that it is the old technologies that have been introduced, which I wrote about .... this is already something!

            Serge Babkov
        2. Disant
          Disant 21 February 2016 13: 03
          +3
          Serega Babkov, are you laughing?
          f22 like a well-fed pregnant toad. similarity to the T-50 as in two people: one head, two arms, two legs.
          Explain which Western developments were used in the development of the T-50, what are you talking about?
          1. bve56
            bve56 21 February 2016 20: 01
            -1
            actually I'm actually a designer-designer. He also worked in such programs as autocad, 3d max. For me, it is much easier to determine some distances by eye than many, as well as the curvature of lines ... at a distance of several meters I often noticed an error of even a few millimeters. Indeed, by the nature of his activity he was also engaged in measurements. What I wrote, I am ready to confirm in a dispute with any designer or designer. Those. I do not refuse my words .... I try to tell the truth that I see and write about that. Who wants to join the "controversy" from the designers - no problem, I will show many similar points.

            ps the only thing I would not want to prove is to people who have little knowledge of stereometry, plotting and have not been involved in any design. It’s just harder for them to explain.

            Serge Babkov
            1. Fast_mutant
              Fast_mutant 23 February 2016 13: 42
              +1
              The laws of physics do not depend on the continent ... Invisibility (well, how much it does not contradict aerodynamics) imposes certain requirements on the shape of the surface. Therefore, they are similar. Since those tasks for both Flanker and PAKFA are approximately the same. Compare with LRASM A.
              The era of hypersound will come, they will also be similar. By the way, research prototypes of hypersonic devices are ALREADY similar.

              Scramjet X-51A WaveRider, USA


              Bramos-2, Russian-Indian development
              1. Fast_mutant
                Fast_mutant 23 February 2016 13: 59
                0
                Quote: Fast_mutant
                Since those tasks for both Flanker and PAKFA

                Sorry guys! Meant Raptor ... Bes beguiled. )))
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        4. Serg koma
          Serg koma 22 February 2016 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: bve56
          Pay attention to some similarities of the front end up to the cabin and further with modern American designs.

          The key word in this context is "some". I am not a designer, but try to look at the history of aviation (automotive, tank building, etc.) and you will find many similar "lines" of aircraft developed at the same time. Sorry, but in my opinion, not a designer's amateurish opinion laughing , it is rather an optimal combination of the achievements of science (1) and technology (2) at the design stage (3), whoever has all three factors maximally embodied in a "product" is the winner hi
    2. max702
      max702 20 February 2016 16: 13
      11
      Quote: bve56
      ps the question of maneuverability remains. It seems that this "beauty" will negatively affect this characteristic. Although, if so quick on the rise .... time will tell.

      Here on the site there was a long time ago an article by test pilot S Bogdan, look .. In it he talked about how the SU-35 is very much superior in maneuverability to the SU-27, and the T-50 is superior to the SU-35 even more ..
      rs: To be honest, if you take on faith what they say (and people are competent) about the T-50, then this really turns out to be a prodigy ...
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 20 February 2016 21: 01
        +2
        In addition to the maneuverability, the T-50 has a circular radar coverage and it seems like the same work of electronic warfare, if this is true, then the aircraft turns out like an "Avax" also with a protection system. That's just not in the know if there is equipment for dazzling the optics of the warheads of anti-aircraft missiles, but I think the design bureau is not dumber than me and it was foreseen. The plane is certainly good, but the operation will show everything!
        1. 11 black
          11 black 21 February 2016 11: 47
          +2
          Quote: Maxom75
          In addition to the maneuverability, the T-50 has a circular radar coverage and it seems like the same work of electronic warfare, if this is true, then the aircraft turns out like an "Avax" also with a protection system. That's just not in the know if there is equipment for dazzling the optics of the warheads of anti-aircraft missiles, but I think the design bureau is not dumber than me and it was foreseen. The plane is certainly good, but the operation will show everything!

          As for the radar seeker I can not say, most likely yes. But for the blindness of optical and infrared seeker equipment, there is:
          101 КС-0 (О - defensive) - counteraction system of the ICG seeker

          101 KS-U (U - ultraviolet) - optical system for the issuance of DU for KS-O

          And the radar review is really almost circular - neither the Americans, nor anybody did it at all, and all the radars with AFAR are hi to F35 and stealth like him laughing
          Here is the main HO36

          Here are the side NO36B

          Here is an example layout of all this stuff smile

      2. bve56
        bve56 22 February 2016 06: 28
        0
        Quote: max702

        Here on the site there was a long time ago an article by test pilot S Bogdan, look .. In it he talked about how the SU-35 is very much superior in maneuverability to the SU-27, and the T-50 is superior to the SU-35 even more ..
        rs: To be honest, if you take on faith what they say (and people are competent) about the T-50, then this really turns out to be a prodigy ...


        As a techie, it is not easy for me to understand how the su-35 can significantly surpass the su-27 in maneuverability if, following this article (which we are discussing here), the ascent rate of the latter is significantly higher (280 versus 345). After all, this is an important factor in maneuverability, which is what this article is talking about. There is a video in which our moment made a splash with a strictly vertical rise right from the moment of taking off from the ground. The European filmed it at the exhibition, and even then he could not resist the emotion of witnessing this. If there is interest, I have a link to the video. Although, of course, I understand that the scientists were engaged in the development of the Su-35. But in reality, the Su-27 did all the complex figures in the sky, it was the Su-27 that, as far as I know, made a breakthrough in the competition in the aircraft industry. There is a well-known story as our "flanker" (knowledgeable people will understand why he said so) on exercises with the Americans in a mock battle, an American fighter simply "tore". It is said that after this, American pilots were forbidden to compete in training flights with the Russians because of the incident.
    3. cucujamba
      cucujamba 20 February 2016 21: 26
      +3
      With a controlled traction vector, I think he still doesn’t take maneuverability
  • Blondy
    Blondy 20 February 2016 16: 19
    13
    It is not insignificant impressive - if similar results were obtained on the engine of the first stage, then what will we have when in 17 the more powerful second stage will be installed. Probably, even now more or less sensitive natures will be able to feel the unspoken despondency of our "partners".
  • Rats
    Rats 22 February 2016 04: 08
    0
    Quote: vodolaz
    Very beautiful plane.

    Tupolev once said: "An ugly plane won't fly"
  • Sid.74
    Sid.74 20 February 2016 13: 21
    46
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Right now, our Israeli friends will talk about the benefits of the miracle aircraft.

    Well, I do not know how they have with F-35 and other vundervaffe, and the bombers used by amerikosy in Syria, were taken home. Only our reconnaissance Tu-214Р prevents them from flying without palev, only SU-35 scared our western partners to see that the cockpit now only change, otherwise the smell of this one will not get rid of ... wassat
    The Pentagon withdraws from the Syrian strategic bombers B-1 "Lancer", which are the main striking force of the US Air Force group in the fight against the terrorist group ISIS, reports LifeNews, citing the speech of Lieutenant General Charles Brown, who is responsible for air operations in the US Central Command.

    According to Brown, the planes will travel back to the United States to replace and upgrade the cockpit. The general stressed that this process can take an indefinite period.
    http://izvestia.ru/news/604710
    Comfort is above all, even beyond Obama’s hangover war with the IG ... wassat
    1. niki233
      niki233 20 February 2016 13: 26
      10
      Well, yes, the cabin without diapers was given so much that it was necessary to change)))))
    2. zennon
      zennon 20 February 2016 13: 30
      +6
      Quote: Sid.74
      and the bombers used by the Americans in Syria were recalled home.

      In fact, they and ours have added about the free flight zone. Without a bulldozer, they have the right to fly there freely. Like the French.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 20 February 2016 13: 34
        30
        Quote: zennon
        Voosche then they with ours have added about the free zone for flights.

        And in fact it turns out that we have agreed on a zone free from flights of NATO aviation. repeat
        The Americans, very sadly glanced at the map of Syria, then looked towards Iran, which had C-300 on Thursday, looked at the peaceful carcasses of the opposition, and said, “Oh, well, you stumbled ...” ..yes
        1. cedar
          cedar 21 February 2016 18: 14
          +2
          Everything is a little easier:
          Coalition: - Russia, on the 23rd we will carry out work on A with the forces of six aircraft. Time is so ...
          VKS: - Coalition, The 23rd district is closed, we have a holiday, we ourselves will fly.
          Coalition: - Russia, what forces will you fly?
          VKS: - Coalition, strong, fuck ...
          Coalition: - Russia, OK, when is our window over A?
          VKS: - So ... on the 24th people are still ... Coalition, you can on the 25th.
          Coalition: - Russia, OK, on ​​the 25th from ... until ... we will work on A with six sides
          VKS: - What coalition?
          Coalition: - Russia, what kind?
          VKS: - (In Russian: nah ... stupid at all?) Coalition, which sides? Give it a name, otherwise we will accidentally dump it ...
          Coalition: - Russia, I understand ...
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 20 February 2016 13: 43
        +5
        Quote: zennon
        In fact, they and ours have added about the free flight zone. Without a bulldozer, they have the right to fly there freely. Like the French.

        request They did it only because we cannot prevent them from flying, this will be an open conflict, in light of the fact that "these partners" declared themselves to be a certain caliber fighting against ISIS - that is why such a compromise.
        Could you bring down of course, only sense without real further actions? And no one wants the Great War either, and it seems like everyone remained with his own face.
    3. Michael67
      Michael67 20 February 2016 13: 58
      +9
      "A very nice airplane."
      Yes, even scary. The main thing is to be a record holder in all respects. Let the "partners" go for treatment from "joy". Good luck to the testers. Handsome men.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 21 February 2016 19: 04
        +2
        Michael67 (2) RU Yesterday, 13:58 ↑
        "A very nice airplane."
        Yes, even scary. The main thing is to be a record holder in all respects. Let the "partners" go for treatment from "joy". Good luck to the testers. Handsome men.


        For us (those who understand) - BEAUTIFUL!
        And for "some" - by definition - SCARY.

        Summary - STRANCHLY BEAUTIFUL!
    4. nemez
      nemez 20 February 2016 15: 39
      0
      they withdraw their own because the CA wants to supply the ISU with the ISU
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 20 February 2016 13: 26
    15
    If so - super information, but why do we need some kind of f35, let's run the series and see the results in combat units. Recently, talks about the super capabilities of the T50 sound in parallel with the statements about the unavailability of the engine / tests continue until ... / it is planned to reduce the purchase of the T50 for the troops. It looks like a PR of the manufacturer, with the help of which they are trying to divert talk about the real situation with the T50. It would be a shame if the phrase "And the king is naked" appears. Therefore, more action, less words. drinks
  • Finches
    Finches 20 February 2016 13: 27
    +6
    I think our Izrail friends sometimes pour out bile because they want ... to return, but they can’t overcome their fear of the real Motherland for their once committed treason! laughing
    1. pilot bin-bom
      pilot bin-bom 20 February 2016 13: 42
      +6
      "Our Izrail friends cannot overcome their fear of the real Motherland"
      Type in the search engine "Ghetto Zhidove Kiev" and it seems like - the real homeland of the Jews - Kiev.
      Well, however, judging by the top ruling Ukraine - the way it is.
      1. Finches
        Finches 20 February 2016 14: 11
        +7
        And Kiev has been Russia from time immemorial! If it weren't for the dying boy Misha who was labored and hungry for Borya, it would be so! But it will be so! But power in Kiev was seized not by Jews, but by train of Scientologists!
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 20 February 2016 19: 44
          +6
          Quote: Finches
          it was not Jews who captured it, but J. Scientologists!
          - Zionists)))). Scientologists and Zionists are different. About the same as "Isabella" and "Za ... ala"))). Although, in general, I agree with your post - the Jews have nothing to do with it, the Jews are worthy of respect ... The same Wasserman, Solovyov and a bunch of Soviet scientists, creators of the USSR nuclear missile shield. But the Katz, Albats, Shenderovich, Waltzmans, Kolomoisky, Abramovich, Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky are not Jews. Let the comrades from Israel designate them for us so that we know how to call them))),
      2. Andrew
        Andrew 20 February 2016 15: 16
        +6
        That's how it is, but ... there is no need for everyone to fit in the same way - there were and will be both Einstein and Dovator and Volodya Solovyov and Tolya Wasserman and millions of others ... hi we also have enough mr ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 February 2016 15: 36
          +1
          And who said they are bad ???
        2. Lex.
          Lex. 20 February 2016 19: 37
          +2
          Dovator and Volodya Soloviev. Well, even Caesar Kunikov, and Jacob Crazer
        3. cedar
          cedar 21 February 2016 18: 41
          +2
          This is true, it is necessary to distinguish ... Paraphrasing one clever rabbi, we can draw the line as follows: "Bronsteins (Trotskyists Zionists) set fire to world revolutions and wars, and the Wassermans and others like them burn in them ..."
          The next set fire to BV only the blind can not see.
          Rather, the T-50 squadron after squadron must be put into operation!
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 14: 10
      16
      Quote: Finches
      I think our Izrail friends sometimes pour out bile because they want ... to return, but they can’t overcome their fear of the real Motherland for their once committed treason! laughing

      This is of course off therefore I will answer the same. We in Israel are not bad at all, especially since we are a passing generation, and our children and grandchildren have no other homeland. And in general he will say that we have already achieved something in improving the Jewish state.
      According to data released today by the Central Bureau of Statistics, in the 4th quarter of 2015, the country's GDP grew by 3,3%. This is after an increase of 2,5% in the third quarter and 0,4% in the second quarter.
      Due to such economic growth at the end of the year, the CSB revised its forecast for economic growth in 2015 as a whole from the expected 2,3% to 2,6%. Exports in the 2nd half of the year increased by 3,6% after a decline in the 1st half of 3,3% and growth of 1,1% in the 2nd half of 2014. The growth was achieved due to a 4 percent increase in industrial production (excluding diamonds), an increase of 0,6% in tourism. At the same time, agricultural exports fell by 22,6%, while diamond exports fell by 20,5% year on year.
      According to the newspaper The Economist, by the beginning of 2016, per capita GDP in Israel from $ 37550, exceeded that in France ($ 36070). Israel has come close to the German GDP per capita there are 39640 dollars.
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      2. Finches
        Finches 20 February 2016 14: 20
        +3
        But you still miss Russia, though you don’t admit it in life! Only these I can explain your brother’s huge presence in our forums!
        hi
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 14: 41
          17
          Quote: Finches
          But you still miss Russia, though you don’t admit it in life! Only these I can explain your brother’s huge presence in our forums!
          hi

          Are immigrants from Azerbaijan and Ukraine also missing Russia? Maybe everything is somewhat simpler? The forum is military-historical, in Russian and those for whom this topic is interesting, and the language is accessible, come to this forum from around the world.
          1. Finches
            Finches 20 February 2016 15: 13
            +7
            Why are these your conclusions easier? Maybe it’s the other way around! And Azerbaijan and especially Ukraine, countries artificially created through a huge geopolitical catastrophe as a result of the national betrayal of some politicians generously sponsored by the Anglo-Saxons - and to this day are essentially pieces of the same multinational Russian empire! We have more Azerbaijanis in St. Petersburg than in Baku, and I don’t say anything about Ukrainians! laughing
            1. andrewkor
              andrewkor 20 February 2016 17: 05
              +4
              Twice in Moscow I got into the epicenter of the Armenian diaspora. "Torpedo" - "Ararat" 1980. this is something !!! In the theater. Mayakovsky tour of the theater. Sandukyan "Coriolanus" by William our Shakespeare! - USSR State Prize. Same time.
      3. Lex.
        Lex. 20 February 2016 19: 43
        +2
        This is of course off therefore I will answer the same. We in Israel are not bad at all
        Well, it's like the Russian-speaking people in Israel are not even third-rate but fourth-rate even to Arabs and Moroccans, even Ethiopians are treated differently even by the party of Lieberman, he will not when he does not become prime minister because he is Russian
        According to The Economist, by the beginning of 2016, per capita GDP in Israel from $ 37550 exceeded that in France ($ 36070). Israel is close to Germany’s GDP, there are $ 39640 per capita.
        Oh yes, look at Russian pensioners, especially single people, make ends meet choose between a medicine or a heater, and you also have to pay for renting an apartment
      4. Lex.
        Lex. 20 February 2016 19: 43
        +1
        This is of course off therefore I will answer the same. We in Israel are not bad at all
        Well, it's like the Russian-speaking people in Israel are not even third-rate but fourth-rate even to Arabs and Moroccans, even Ethiopians are treated differently even by the party of Lieberman, he will not when he does not become prime minister because he is Russian
        According to The Economist, by the beginning of 2016, per capita GDP in Israel from $ 37550 exceeded that in France ($ 36070). Israel is close to Germany’s GDP, there are $ 39640 per capita.
        Oh yes, look at Russian pensioners, especially single people, make ends meet choose between a medicine or a heater, and you also have to pay for renting an apartment
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 20: 17
          +3
          Quote: Lex.
          .
          Oh yes, look at Russian pensioners, especially single people, make ends meet choose between a medicine or a heater, and you also have to pay for renting an apartment

          my parents are over 80 and they live decently.
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 20: 18
          0
          Quote: Lex.
          .
          Oh yes, look at Russian pensioners, especially single people, make ends meet choose between a medicine or a heater, and you also have to pay for renting an apartment

          my parents are over 80 and they live decently.
        3. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 20: 18
          -1
          Quote: Lex.
          .
          Oh yes, look at Russian pensioners, especially single people, make ends meet choose between a medicine or a heater, and you also have to pay for renting an apartment

          my parents are over 80 and they live decently.
        4. tomket
          tomket 21 February 2016 00: 10
          +2
          Quote: Lex.
          Oh yes, look at Russian pensioners, especially single people, make ends meet choose between a medicine or a heater, and you also have to pay for renting an apartment

          And how long have you seen Russian pensioners in Israel?) What would you like to see how they live? Maybe enough stories to poison, about how beautiful it is to a simple person in the west and how bad it is in Russia? Tea is not 80, there were both in the West and with you, and not paradise on earth there.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 21 February 2016 00: 19
            0
            With deep respect to you, I report that
            Quote: tomket
            what would you like to see how they live?

            They live with dignity, those who went through repatriation.
            Quote: tomket
            Maybe enough stories to poison, about how beautiful there is to a simple person in the west and how bad it is in Russia?

            It is difficult to argue here, since everything depends on the perception of the world, but I can say with firm confidence that it is easier to live “there”.
            Quote: tomket
            Tea is not the 80s, there were both in the west and with you, and by no means a paradise on earth there.

            Well, just in the beginning of the 80s we had paradise, and now ... and now ... we are held captive here ... and on our own territory .. will you argue?
        5. cedar
          cedar 21 February 2016 20: 12
          +1
          For you, probably, the statement that Izrail and Russia are interconnected vessels will probably not be a revelation, therefore if you have arrived, then it decreases with us, but it decreases with us ...
          Every day in the USSR, THREE aircraft were released, and now we are glad that the T-50 is being tested, maybe it will go to a large series, and all because the USSR’s GDP in relation to world GDP was 22%, and in Russia now it is 1,5% !!!
          You probably heard about perestroika, especially our privatization, so about 70% of the former USSR economy was privatized by citizens of dual citizenship, as some of them proudly reported in the Knesset.
          So to whom perestroika, and to whom a funny drinking party,
          To whom privatization, and to whom privatization,
          Your big pensions, these are our little ...
          One word - communicating vessels.
      5. Maxom75
        Maxom75 21 February 2016 01: 23
        +1
        For that, in our economic block, the chicks of "Gaidar's nest", judging by the reforms Gaidar at the Faculty of Economics attended classes only in the first year when they studied the theory of A. Smith, and then he apparently fumbled and boozed, because he was not in economics otherwise So these chicks are doing everything according to his behests, they have collapsed the course, now they are privatizing oil, aviation and diamonds at a low price. , threw the whole country again. (((
    3. Andrew
      Andrew 20 February 2016 15: 09
      +6
      I also have such an idea when I listen to Mr. (each decrypt to the best of their depravity wassat ) stab zlobin on various talk shows ...
    4. starper
      starper 20 February 2016 15: 26
      +5
      What stupidity, what return, what betrayal? What are you talking about? Everyone has the right to choose, and I'm glad that it is. Or are you against freedom?
      1. Finches
        Finches 20 February 2016 15: 35
        +1
        I am against national betrayal! If you are for - you are on another forum - "Echo of Moscow", "Rain", etc.
  • Altona
    Altona 20 February 2016 13: 28
    +8
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Now let's listen to the apologists for the F-35.

    -------------------------
    They do not go to the discussion of Russian aviation systems. Izya does not give loans; Chase Manhattan Bank does not sell seeds. The business is divided. hi
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 20 February 2016 13: 34
      +8
      Not massive yet, but already impressive good

      I won’t be in a hurry if I express my opinion that such a rapid rise can symbolize the beginning of the rise of the Russian economy ... request
      1. starper
        starper 20 February 2016 15: 36
        +5
        That's it, that hurry, moreover, make fun.
  • Maksus
    Maksus 20 February 2016 13: 35
    56
    Have you seen the new "eggplant" color of the T-50? Handsomely.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 February 2016 13: 38
      +5
      Quote: Maksus
      Have you seen the new "eggplant" color of the T-50? Handsomely.

      Yes, this plane was originally a BEAUTY! And what will the specially developed weapon be able to do ?! Definitely an unpleasant surprise for our "probable partners" lol
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 20 February 2016 13: 41
        +5
        Quote: GSH-18
        And what will be able to develop weapons specially for him ?!

        Missile weapons should be able to fly hypersound ... winked
      2. Maksus
        Maksus 20 February 2016 14: 25
        +5
        Probably, his weapon will be able to KILL, did not hear that the weapon showed any other talents.
        1. Samen
          Samen 20 February 2016 15: 14
          12
          Probably, his weapon will be able to KILL, did not hear that the weapon showed any other talents.

          Too bad I did not hear.
          Intelligent weapons can still "convince" and "force to peace"! )))))
          As an example: "Satan". For decades he has been fighting "in the cold." But, so far, she has not killed anyone! hi
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 21 February 2016 10: 24
            -1
            Yes Yes. people convince, and a weapon only kills. And you should not switch to.
        2. cedar
          cedar 21 February 2016 18: 53
          +2
          Talents deter killers from killing.
          Killers of others often shake their skin and do not climb well, and especially armed.
          Faster need to enter the T-50 into operation!
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    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 February 2016 19: 01
      +9

      And with camouflage coloring, concealing real sizes? Truly a shock masterpiece! good
    4. Aljavad
      Aljavad 21 February 2016 19: 06
      0
      Maksus (2) RU Yesterday, 13:35 ↑
      Have you seen the new "eggplant" color of the T-50? Handsomely.


      So it is also "deforming"!
  • dauria
    dauria 20 February 2016 13: 41
    12
    In addition, we have fans of the flawed Lokhidov's brainchild, also in abundance. Support the word of the Israelites, if Che.


    Not a fan, but comparing the T-50 fighter with the F-22. F-35 is another car. Then, records must be drawn up and registered. How it flew, with what load, etc. Something like this: "pilot V.G. Pugachev, on October 27, 1986, made a record flight, gaining an altitude of 25,4 thousand meters in 3 seconds, and on November 15 he reached heights of 6 thousand meters in 37,1 seconds, 9 thousand meters in 47,0 seconds and 12 thousand meters in 58,1 seconds, improving the records of the American pilot Smith R. in the F-15, which lasted more than 10 years by more than 2 seconds. Records were set in two categories - in the service class aircraft weighing 12-16 thousand kg and in the class of jet aircraft. "
    And it’s not a jerk in climbing, so, percent. Digit 330 M / s did another F-5? specially prepared in 197

    Yes, and a record for a serial combat vehicle, rather harm than good. Always at the expense of something. And specially prepared for the record, is it worth comparing?
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    2. PKK
      PKK 20 February 2016 14: 00
      +3
      Here you are versed in flights, tell me how a pilot in an airplane with such overloads?
    3. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 February 2016 14: 20
      +3
      Keyword "specially prepared".
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 13: 48
    +3
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Now let's listen to the apologists for the F-35. Right now, our Israeli friends will talk about the benefits of a miracle plane. They will competently explain to us that climb is not the main characteristic of a 5th generation fighter. smile Naturally, who wants to admit that the Americans raped them like suckers. In addition, we have fans of the flawed Lokhidov's brainchild, also in abundance. Support the word of the Israelites, if Che.

    Why is a beautiful fighter looming. It's just that it's all the same, first of all, a "conquering airspace" machine, while the F-35 is mainly a striker and to counter such machines as the T-50 it has stealth, avionics and high-range V-B missiles.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 20 February 2016 17: 25
      +5
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      and to counter such machines as the T-50, it has stealth, avionics and high-range BB missiles.

      Aron, but the t-50 has neither stealth, nor avionics, nor high-range BB missiles?
  • Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 20 February 2016 14: 16
    +3
    As the Bolsheviks said: "Our answer to Chamberlain!"
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 20 February 2016 14: 38
    14
    In fact, the previous records do not belong to the serial Su-27, but to a specially prepared aircraft.
    P-42 is a record aircraft, converted in 1986 from the lead serial Su-27-T10-15 aircraft. The main external differences from the base Su-27
    Radiolucent fairing replaced by a lighter metal (1)
    A significant part of avionics is missing, including external elements removed, in particular, the optical unit of the optical-location station is missing (2)
    Fixed Air Intakes (3)
    Keels Reduced in Height (4)
    Missing dorsal ridges (5)
    Missing tail boom (6)
    1. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 20 February 2016 15: 28
      +7
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      In fact, the previous records do not belong to the serial Su-27, but to a specially prepared aircraft.
      P-42 is a record aircraft, converted in 1986 from the lead serial Su-27-T10-15 aircraft. The main external differences from the base Su-27
      Radiolucent fairing replaced by a lighter metal (1)
      A significant part of avionics is missing, including external elements removed, in particular, the optical unit of the optical-location station is missing (2)
      Fixed Air Intakes (3)
      Keels Reduced in Height (4)
      Missing dorsal ridges (5)
      Missing tail boom (6)

      There was still no paint on the fuselage
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 20 February 2016 17: 09
      +3
      Kind of like in "The Martian" to facilitate the take-off module, Matt Damon threw out everything unnecessary.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 February 2016 17: 48
      0
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      A significant part of avionics is missing, including external elements removed, in particular, the optical unit of the optical-location station is missing (2)
      Fixed Air Intakes (3)
      Keels Reduced in Height (4)
      Missing dorsal ridges (5)
      Missing tail boom (6)

      So what? Amerikoses also did not paint their fighters for "records" to make it easier! I am silent about everything else.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 20 February 2016 14: 41
    +9
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Now let's listen to the apologists for the F-35. Right now, our Israeli friends will talk about the benefits of a miracle plane. They will competently explain to us that climb is not the main characteristic of a 5th generation fighter. smile Naturally, who wants to admit that the Americans raped them like suckers. In addition, we have fans of the flawed Lokhidov's brainchild, also in abundance. Support the word of the Israelites, if Che.



    The F-35 has a climb rate of 200 m / s. It’s even embarrassing to be happy.
  • Tor5
    Tor5 20 February 2016 14: 48
    +3
    I wonder when will he go into the series?
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 20 February 2016 15: 25
    +1
    yeah they all repeat - the main thing is invisibility (stealth technology) to the detriment of everything else ....
    1. the villain
      the villain 20 February 2016 23: 12
      -2
      Quote: Alexey-74
      yeah they all repeat - the main thing is invisibility (stealth technology)

      But how else could they beat me through the vile from around the corner? But in another way they do not know how am
  • Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 20 February 2016 18: 00
    +2
    You need a veto to sell it to other countries. Enough to squander your technology
  • Awaz
    Awaz 20 February 2016 18: 18
    +5
    I personally think that the American version of the 5th generation does not stand up to criticism. In addition, the characteristics declared are, frankly, of dubious quality. I am in terms of tactics of warfare on this technique. Duck for how many years they can’t even come close to these stated parameters, constantly lowering and lowering them.
    Here you can remember the same Germans during WWII. They were able to really create an excellent Tiger tank, but ours managed to create an even better IS 2 tank, which turned out to be several orders of magnitude cheaper, simpler and more efficient. The Germans were even forced to forbid the tigers to enter into direct confrontations with the Isami.
    Right now, of course, these are not the times, but I think that the Russian version of the 5th generation aircraft will turn out to be the most intelligent correctly and efficiently, which will really take air warfare to a new level.
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 20 February 2016 19: 34
    +2
    And why nobody remembered about engines? What are they chasing him for?
    1. ty60
      ty60 21 February 2016 02: 56
      0
      On the engines of the 35th
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 February 2016 06: 36
      +1
      Quote: marlin1203
      And why nobody remembered about engines?

      Speaking of engines. Once we managed to buy the engines "Nin" and "Derwent" from the British (we went under the designation RD-500 and RD-45), which were much better than the captured German ones, and the legendary MiG-15 was born. Now the Americans have excellent Pratt & Whitney F135 and A-119 engines, we have a magnificent RD-180 in demand in the United States. Why not offer barter, for mutual pleasure? And if they say NO, then we also NO. request
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 21 February 2016 16: 39
        0
        then these engines came to the USSR thanks to the talents of Soviet scientists and diplomats. There are no such crazy ones.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 21 February 2016 19: 27
        0
        Drawings RD-180 passed a long time ago.
  • Pasha
    Pasha 20 February 2016 22: 30
    0
    no, they will ask for a bunch of billions of green to catch up with our puff
  • Atrix
    Atrix 21 February 2016 01: 09
    +3
    That's when PAK-FA goes into the series and stamp it with at least 150 pieces then you will rant about the super-duper-wunder-waffle.
    1. VeteranVS
      VeteranVS 21 February 2016 09: 17
      +1
      the flag, of course, is the same, but the thought is sober
  • Yarik
    Yarik 22 February 2016 09: 32
    0
    rate of climb is not the main characteristic of a 5th generation fighter.

    That's right. I'm not the only one from Israel. laughing
  • Engineer
    Engineer 20 February 2016 13: 10
    +4
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Now listen to the apologists F-35

    F-22, F-35 in a different weight category, do not confuse.
    1. mvg
      mvg 20 February 2016 13: 17
      +5
      Which one is the other? Maximum take-off masses are approximately the same.
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 20 February 2016 13: 26
        13
        Quote: mvg
        Which one is the other? Maximum take-off masses are approximately the same.

        ... from where the information? ... Source: http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/t50.html
        T-50
        Weight, kg
        empty 18500 aircraft
        normal takeoff 28590
        maximum takeoff 35000
        12900 fuels
        F-35
        Weight, kg
        empty 13300 aircraft
        normal takeoff 20100
        maximum takeoff 31800
        Domestic fuel, kg 8382
        ... Do not you think that you are slightly mistaken, Kamrad Engineercorrectly noted F-22, not F-35 ... hi
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 20 February 2016 13: 18
      +9
      Quote: Engineer
      F-22, F-35 in a different weight category, do not confuse.

      ... I will support ... I am happy for the T-50 ... for the author of the article, no ... although I put a plus ... the Su-35 has a climb rate least 280 m / s ... hi
      1. Hellraiser
        Hellraiser 20 February 2016 13: 32
        +5
        And this is only on modified engines (intermediate).
        Another engine is under development which should be even cooler in the future. good
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 February 2016 13: 18
      +4
      Quote: Engineer
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Now listen to the apologists F-35

      F-22, F-35 in a different weight category, do not confuse.

      IN WHICH? Indeed, until now, not only the weight of the T-50 but also its geometrical dimensions are not reliably known. Everything that dangles, like a guano in an ice hole in an Internet on this topic, is some conclusions, assumptions. There is no CERTAIN INFORMATION on PAK FA. Everything is classified. And it is right.
    4. Arktidianets
      Arktidianets 20 February 2016 13: 23
      +5
      The f-22 you mentioned is a "classmate" of the T-50, so their comparison is quite correct hi
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 20 February 2016 14: 57
        13
        Quote: Arctidian
        their comparison is quite correct
    5. PKK
      PKK 20 February 2016 17: 32
      0
      F35 vertical take-off, made to support the infantry and as a cover fighter. Light bomber. It should not be compared not only with Mig, and of course with Sushka. This idle journalists sucked the topic to write something clever.
    6. question
      question 20 February 2016 20: 27
      +1
      Damn, how interesting! If the T50s and f35s meet in battle, what will they do? Waving your wings, fly, bro, you're not in my category!
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 20 February 2016 13: 11
    +8
    Empty or with load, with full fueling or not, at what altitudes? A lot of unknowns. request
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 20 February 2016 13: 12
      +5
      These LTX measurements are standardized for all types of aircraft. So there is no confusion and ambiguity here at all.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 20 February 2016 13: 16
        +9
        Quote: Engineer
        These LTX measurements are standardized for all types of aircraft. So there is no confusion and ambiguity here at all.

        I agree about the standards, only a link to "cites a look at a post from AirForce - Swords Of Sky, posted on Facebook." it doesn't inspire me at all. Usually, the media in one neighboring country differ on social networks. yes
  • salad
    salad 20 February 2016 13: 11
    0
    FE-35 is not finalized, at the moment there is a hard cut of dough wassat
    1. Hellraiser
      Hellraiser 20 February 2016 13: 15
      +3
      Yes, and ours is also in the process, but ours is in development, and they are in eternal refinement repeat !
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 13: 51
        +4
        Quote: Hellraiser
        Yes, and ours is also in the process, but ours is in development, and they are in eternal refinement repeat !

        Well, the work is on.
        T-50-1 - frequency tests performed, revision underway.
        T-50-5R - performed CHI, the elimination of identified defects is ongoing.
        New production dates.
        T-50-6-2 - transfer to LIS after assembly of the aircraft after applying the RPP - 01.02.2016, chi (including with weapons) - 26.02.-12.03., The first flight - 26.03., Delivery - 04.04.2016.
        T-50-8 - transfer to LIS 30.01.2016, application of RPP - 26.02.-15.03, rearrangement of the cabin - 14.04.-04.05, CHI - 15-23.05., First flight - 29.05., Change - 05.06.2016.
        T-50-9 - Docking to the 15.03.2016 GLASS, transfer to 30.04 LIS, delivery - 31.08.2016.
        T-50-10 - docking of the fuselage 01.03., Docking GLASSES 20.04. transfer to LIS 30.06., change - 30.10.2016.
        T-50-11 - docking of the fuselage 30.05., Docking GLASSES 30.07., Transfer to LIS 30.09., Delivery - 30.01.2017.
    2. activator
      activator 20 February 2016 13: 21
      14
      Quote: salat
      FE-35 is not finalized, at the moment there is a hard cut of dough wassat

      Knocking off the caps of F 35 you will soon become a marshal here soldier So go ahead and lieutenant. laughing
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 13: 37
      +2
      Quote: salat
      FE-35 is not finalized, at the moment there is a hard cut of dough wassat

      Is it?
      In the fall of 2016, the US Air Force intends to announce the initial combat readiness of the F-35A fighter reports f35.com. Testing of the aircraft continues to expand flight modes and increase the limits of maneuverability.
      Successfully completed some testing programs for the aircraft and its on-board systems. In particular, the flight tests of the F-35B aircraft with the 2B software block were completed, the helmet of the 3rd generation helmet-mounted vision system was tested, including night flights, air refueling, and the first real launch of the AIM-120 UR.
      F-35A performed flights with large angles of attack, refueling from aircraft KS-30A (Australian Air Force) and KS-767 (Italian Air Force), 13 weapons were dropped, including UAB GBU-31 and GBU-39, the first firing from a gun in the air.
      Flutter testing was completed on the F-35B (photo), flights with loads on external suspensions were completed, 8 weapons were dropped, including the first UAV Paveway IV. Take-offs from the ground jump.
      Ship tests of the second phase on the F-35C fighter on the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower aircraft carrier (CVN-69) were completed, testing of takeoffs / landings on a wet runway at the Edwards base was completed, flutter flights were completed, five weapons were dropped, including the first dropping weapons from an external sling.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 20 February 2016 16: 38
        +1
        Initially, they wanted to announce the initial combat readiness of F 35 last year. Although the T 50 terms slip.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 17: 02
          +1
          Quote: sharp-lad
          Initially, they wanted to announce the initial combat readiness of F 35 last year. Although the T 50 terms slip.

          The F-35B announced. The first squadron became part of the ILC aviation. And the F-35A is the Air Force. Fleet vehicles will generally receive initial readiness at the end of 17 beginning of 18 year.
          1. Generalissimo
            Generalissimo 20 February 2016 17: 37
            +2
            Believe it yourself? F-35A is the simplest of all three, it had to be ready before everyone else.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 18: 16
              +2
              Quote: Generalissimo
              Believe it yourself? F-35A is the simplest of all three, it had to be ready before everyone else.

              I may or may not believe it, but the 121th U.S. ILC squadron was the first combat-ready squadron with the F-35B.
              1. Generalissimo
                Generalissimo 20 February 2016 19: 02
                0
                That is, believe in it?
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 20: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Generalissimo
                  That is, believe in it?

                  What does it mean to believe or not? There are facts.
                  February 1, F-35 fighters reached yet another milestone, reports Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR), February 11th.
                  A raid of 50 thousand hours was performed during the 434th flight of the prototype BF-02 version with a short take-off / vertical landing F-35B. The aircraft flew with external suspensions for armament (on the photo you can see the AIM-9 UR and Paveway UAB - approx. Military Parity). It is reported that fighters of this type fly from “12 different locations worldwide”. This flight was carried out from the Patuxent River base (Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 12, Maryland).
                  1. Generalissimo
                    Generalissimo 20 February 2016 21: 50
                    0
                    That means that if they write this, then this is not a fact - see the comment above from 17:37.
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 22: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Generalissimo
                      That means that if they write this, then this is not a fact - see the comment above from 17:37.

                      I would not want to offend you, but the analytics you cited is not a fact but a boltology.
                      1. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 20 February 2016 22: 30
                        0
                        But still trying. Why all of a sudden boltology?
                2. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 20: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Generalissimo
                  That is, believe in it?

                  What does it mean to believe or not? There are facts.
                  February 1, F-35 fighters reached yet another milestone, reports Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR), February 11th.
                  A raid of 50 thousand hours was performed during the 434th flight of the prototype BF-02 version with a short take-off / vertical landing F-35B. The aircraft flew with external suspensions for armament (on the photo you can see the AIM-9 UR and Paveway UAB - approx. Military Parity). It is reported that fighters of this type fly from “12 different locations worldwide”. This flight was carried out from the Patuxent River base (Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 12, Maryland).
                3. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 20: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Generalissimo
                  That is, believe in it?

                  What does it mean to believe or not? There are facts.
                  February 1, F-35 fighters reached yet another milestone, reports Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR), February 11th.
                  A raid of 50 thousand hours was performed during the 434th flight of the prototype BF-02 version with a short take-off / vertical landing F-35B. The aircraft flew with external suspensions for armament (on the photo you can see the AIM-9 UR and Paveway UAB - approx. Military Parity). It is reported that fighters of this type fly from “12 different locations worldwide”. This flight was carried out from the Patuxent River base (Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 12, Maryland).
                  1. Generalissimo
                    Generalissimo 20 February 2016 21: 51
                    0
                    Well, why three times? Not in a Russian folk tale, just a caftan spoiled ;-)
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 22: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: Generalissimo
                      Well, why three times? Not in a Russian folk tale, just a caftan spoiled ;-)

                      It’s buggy.
                      1. Generalissimo
                        Generalissimo 21 February 2016 17: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        It’s buggy.

                        It happens.
      2. 72jora72
        72jora72 20 February 2016 17: 41
        +4
        Aron Zaawi (4) IL Today, 13: 37 ↑

        Quote: salat
        FE-35 is not finalized, at the moment there is a hard cut of wassat dough

        Is it?
        Yes.
        Due to a heap of compromises included in the design, mainly for the Marine Corps, the F-35 is an inferior fighter, seriously inferior even to old Russian and Chinese aircraft, which can fly faster, further and have better maneuverability.

        In aerial combat at high speeds, the F-35 is "overweight and not maneuverable enough," according to a report by Winslow Wheeler, director of the Defense Reform Government Control Project in Washington. And promising enemy aircraft, designed to gain air superiority, could be even more deadly for the F-35. It doesn't matter how smoothly Lockheed Martin and officials are pushing the new combat aircraft.

        Even the most recent F-35s made are second-class fighters where there is a stronger and more decisive enemy in the air. This means a death sentence for American pilots sitting at the helm of the F-35. The F-35's inferiority became apparent five years ago in a computer simulation conducted by John Stillion and Harold Perdue, RAND analysts from Santa Monica, California. Founded in 1948, RAND maintains close ties with the Air Force.

        The air force provides them with some secret data, and in return RAND conducts analyzes and possible war scenarios for government agencies. In August 2008, Stillion and Perdue simulated a scenario in a computer simulation of a massive attack by Chinese air forces and naval forces on Taiwan, amid growing tension in the Western Pacific.

        Suddenly, the Chinese Flurry missile wiped out the tiny, obsolete Taiwanese Air Force, leaving only US fighters based in Japan and GUAM to fight Beijing in hopes of preventing a bloody invasion.

        In the simulation, 72 Chinese fighter jets patrolled the Taiwan Strait. At the same time, 26 American planes were destroyed by the second Shkval missile at the airfield, and 10 F-22 fighters quickly used up all their missiles. Further, the F-35 entered the battle with the Chinese, of which there were 16 units less. When they engaged enemy aircraft in a computerized model of the conflict, the results of this simulation were shocking.

        The latest American stealth fighter and the main aircraft for the next decades for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps, lost to the Chinese aircraft. Despite their vaunted ability to be invisible to enemy radar, the F-35s were completely destroyed.

        The F-35s lost twice in the simulations of Stillion and Perdue, which they reported on in their written simulation reports, which later leaked to the press.

        Analysts opposed the new aircraft, which will play only a minor role in the future. "It is inferior in acceleration, it is inferior in vertical speed, it is inferior in opportunities," they wrote. "Also has a low top speed. Cannot attack in vertical planes."

        Sometimes rockets and a gun were not ready for use because of this, except for the first few seconds of the battle. In other words, the F-35 was not able to withstand enemy aircraft. And as a result, officials abandoned such simulations of hostilities.
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    4. opus
      opus 20 February 2016 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: salat
      FE-35 is not finalized

      justification?
      Quote: salat
      at the moment there is a hard cut dough

      YOUR HIS?
      Are you an American taxpayer?
      NOT?
      HAPPY TO BE JOYED (quietly so that they wouldn’t have guessed), and not to criticize
      1. Generalissimo
        Generalissimo 20 February 2016 17: 47
        -4
        What the ...? Ah, well then we rejoice all together :-)
      2. Generalissimo
        Generalissimo 23 February 2016 02: 42
        0
        Justification what is finalized? Maybe it's in service?
        There is no need for "initial combat readiness" ... it must be complete, and why then are the options for the army and the Navy "unprepared" - they are much simpler?
        One full noodle on your ears this your F-35 :-)))
  • Georgey
    Georgey 20 February 2016 13: 13
    +2
    Long stretches opupey with T-50. I want it faster. And what about his native engines?
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 February 2016 13: 26
      +9
      Quote: Georgey
      Long stretches opupey with T-50. I want it faster. And what about his native engines?

      The newest engine "117C" will be installed on it. As always, they are classified, but they say that this is a real breakthrough. It is known that the thrust is 14,5 tons, does not have an afterburner as unnecessary. The engine has a very long service life. Figures figure 30000 hours.
      1. prorab_ak
        prorab_ak 20 February 2016 14: 33
        -7
        And why not perpetum mobile then? That's probably a holiday in Rybinsk now wassat.... so then the 41st, who now put on prototypes a resource of 4000 (in "greenhouse" conditions) hours .... and then yeah ... right up to 30000.
        It remains only hypersonic (another brilliant idea from another marshal) missiles to hang like a Christmas tree ... iiiii ... watch out for the f-35 iron !!!! negative
        Well, the matter is quite small: to defeat the "experimental" batch of 12 irons with an experimental batch of 120 pieces of our wunderwolf (right now there are already a lot more of them)
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 20 February 2016 16: 33
          +5
          One small but. We don’t fall on anyone, and if you have to fight with the irons, then they attacked us, and if they attack us, they will stumble upon the S-300, S-400.
        2. Dyagilev
          Dyagilev 20 February 2016 18: 28
          0
          surprise style comments
          drukh, superficially running through your comments, we can say three things: firstly, you know Russian well, but not Russian (most likely Little Russian); secondly, you are well versed in military technology; thirdly, you hate Russia with every fiber of your soul, although you position yourself as "our". Who you really are and why are you hanging around here I will not draw conclusions. But suspiciously.
      2. Cook
        Cook 20 February 2016 14: 46
        +7
        To be honest, there are doubts about a resource of 30000 hours. We have civilian engines that work with a much lower load, do not have such resources.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 20 February 2016 17: 39
          +1
          Quote: Cook
          To be honest, there are doubts about a resource of 30000 hours. We have civilian engines that work with a much lower load, do not have such resources.

          It is not correct to compare civil aviation with military aviation. These are two different aircraft. By the way completely different requirements are imposed on them. The 117C resource of 30000 hours is revolutionary, but not surprising. This engine uses the latest classified crystalline alloys (that is, the engine turbine blade is grown and is a single crystal with an ordered crystal lattice of the alloy - hence the incredible thermo-technical indicators). Metallurgy as a science in our country has always been at its best. And there are many more innovative things. Finally, ours made a real advanced military aviation masterpiece. Low bow to the engineers and everyone who has anything to do with this aircraft. Bring it in as it should be, and immediately into the series, to the troops! There they are already VERY waiting for him! good
    2. niki233
      niki233 20 February 2016 13: 29
      +6
      long?????????? In my opinion, the T-50s do very quickly (I'm afraid that very quickly), usually a slower time is made every two new aircraft
      1. starper
        starper 20 February 2016 16: 30
        0
        You didn’t live in the USSR, then you really quickly did, almost every year, either a new plane, or a modification, not so military passenger or cargo, well, in extreme cases, sports or a helicopter :-)
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 February 2016 21: 35
        +1
        Quote: niki233
        In my opinion, the T-50s make very fast

        The development of the fifth generation fighter in the USSR was carried out in the early 1980s. The targeted comprehensive program for the creation of fighters was approved in 1981 and provided for the creation of a long-range interceptor capable of replacing both the Su-27 and the MiG-31. But the collapse of the Soviet Union happened, and the project was forgotten for a decade. When the funds appeared, they decided to return to the creation of a modern fighter. In fact, the current T-50 is the reincarnation of the Soviet project. They have been working on the creation of a new fifth-generation aircraft in the Sukhoi company since 1999; officially, Russian scientists and engineers began developing the fighter in 2002. In 2004, the project was named the “Advanced Frontline Aviation Complex” (PAK FA). The first flight of the prototype T-50 made on January 29, 2010.
  • Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 20 February 2016 13: 13
    +2
    he now has the old engine right?
    1. Aleksey18
      Aleksey18 20 February 2016 13: 51
      +3
      Yes. AL-31F (unknown modification), base thrust of 12500 kgf, AL 41F with a thrust of 14000 kgf will be in the final product
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 20 February 2016 16: 34
      +2
      Not quite old. In my opinion, somewhat modernized. But of course not the ones that they want to put in principle.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 February 2016 13: 13
    11
    A terrible thing! He was gaining altitude in the SUPER SOUND. Faster than a pistol bullet. Serious car. No wonder his TTX is secret, and no one really reveals it.
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 20 February 2016 13: 13
    +1
    But what about these apologists, what else can they say? Well, in any case, the climb is huge, apparently the new engines bring to mind .. The young people are shorter.
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 20 February 2016 13: 13
    +2
    And on what engines?
    1. Hellraiser
      Hellraiser 20 February 2016 13: 34
      +5
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      And on what engines?


      On the intermediate.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 February 2016 13: 41
      +3
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      And on what engines?

      117C most likely.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 20 February 2016 13: 14
    +7
    On the mountain (Everest), the T-50 climbed and when will it reach the Air Force? We wait!!!
  • konstant_n
    konstant_n 20 February 2016 13: 15
    +3
    Let's hope that soon appears in the troops.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 February 2016 14: 07
      0
      Quote: konstant_n
      Let's hope that soon appears in the troops.

      This year, 4 units will take up combat duty according to the plan. Until the 20th year, they will be in the Russian Air Force least 20 pieces.
  • poquello
    poquello 20 February 2016 13: 18
    +2
    Know ours and trembling bourgeois gopot.
  • Igor V
    Igor V 20 February 2016 13: 20
    +1
    A fighter on Everest? Very original. smile
  • mvg
    mvg 20 February 2016 13: 20
    15
    That’s all, hats have flown ... It would be much more interesting to know that the pack passed successful state tests on the use of the entire range of weapons .. including the air-surface, with a new container .. (which was promised back in 2011)
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 20 February 2016 13: 22
    +3
    Where? Where is the video asking you?
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  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 February 2016 13: 23
    +7
    Records are certainly an interesting thing, but only data from Facebook is like "one grandma said" - just unverified information.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 20 February 2016 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Georgey
    Long stretches opupey with T-50. I want it faster. And what about his native engines?

    Do? why are these bad?
  • Diviz
    Diviz 20 February 2016 13: 24
    +3
    Which video. This news has been intriguing from site to site for about 3 days and reached here in the end.
  • KBR109
    KBR109 20 February 2016 13: 26
    12
    T-50 is just a promising experimental device. Laboratory so to speak. And not a fighter of the Russian Air Force (sorry VKS). So far, HERE AND EVERYTHING. request
  • Flat5160
    Flat5160 20 February 2016 13: 28
    -6
    Well hold on adversary! This is probably not the first record of this airline, hold on tight, we went. But the F35 has nothing to answer, only at a price. Ha ha ha
  • askort154
    askort154 20 February 2016 13: 33
    +2
    The vertical climb speed depends on the thrust-weight ratio of the aircraft (aircraft).
    The thrust-to-weight ratio is the ratio of the engine thrust to the flight mass of the aircraft. (The total thrust is divided by the take-off weight of the aircraft). The higher the coefficient, the greater the rate of climb of the aircraft. For characteristics,
    as a rule, maximum values ​​are taken.
  • Izotovp
    Izotovp 20 February 2016 13: 36
    +2
    Not the fact that with the new engines will be the same rate of climb. On new engines, stealth, a supersonic regime without afterburner and economy will play a greater role. And for the sake of this you have to sacrifice something.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 20 February 2016 13: 37
    +5
    And when will it be adopted? That's the main thing ... In the USA, the analogue is already serving
  • Maksus
    Maksus 20 February 2016 13: 41
    0
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: Maksus
    Have you seen the new "eggplant" color of the T-50? Handsomely.

    Yes, this plane was originally a BEAUTY! And what will the specially developed weapon be able to do ?! Definitely an unpleasant surprise for our "probable partners" lol

    It would be more likely to look at it in detail. And more of them in the troops. The car really comes out beautiful.
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 20 February 2016 13: 41
    +1
    A small question: on the forums, one of the shortcomings of the T50 is the deliberately unsuccessful glazing of the cockpit lantern (compared to f35). How critical is this and why this problem (if any) is not solvable. Or is it all machinations? Thank! hi
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 20 February 2016 14: 02
      +6
      Quote: da Vinci
      A small question: on the forums, one of the shortcomings of the T50 is the deliberately unsuccessful glazing of the cockpit lantern (compared to f35). How critical is this and why this problem (if any) is not solvable. Or is it all machinations?

      Actually it's better to see everything, but about the cabin from 18:20
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci 20 February 2016 14: 17
        0
        No, I did not mean "glass cockpit", but the cockpit canopy (glazing), which is said to be more noticeable on the T50 (in the sense of STELS technology) than on the f35!
        1. dauria
          dauria 20 February 2016 16: 02
          +2
          which is stated that the T50 is more noticeable (in the sense of STELS technology),


          Come on, read all in a row, why? These experts and signal signatures in all ranges from different angles will write and tell a smart thread ... smile Are such things (that ours, that adversary) appear on the internet?
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 20 February 2016 20: 39
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            Come on, read all in a row, why? These experts and signal signatures in all ranges from different angles will write and tell a smart thread ...

            Well yes laughing in this sense, the headset also "shines" fellow
            And how "stealth" is caught on the microwave, we know from Yugoslavia drinks
            Technology is moving forward by leaps and bounds and, in this sense, there is a feeling that the most impact is on the human brain yes , and provided that moskhkh is not "stealth", the consequences can be much more serious repeat
        2. Hariva
          Hariva 20 February 2016 16: 03
          0
          Heh, and who claims? Did anyone even carry out any tests? His (flashlight) that, NATO radars were irradiated for comparison. Or maybe at least Chinese?
          Applicants, damn it.
  • Achilles
    Achilles 20 February 2016 13: 54
    +4
    The T-50 fighter with a length of slightly less than 20 m and with a wingspan of 14 m is capable of speeds up to 2600 km / h and fly at an altitude of up to 20 km for almost six hours. It is armed with a 30-mm built-in cannon, and the internal bomb compartments can be filled with guided air-to-air missiles (short, medium and long range) and air bombs against ground targets.

    F-35 will be available in three versions: for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. The Air Force version, in turn, will spawn two more models - for Israel and Canada. The length of the aircraft is 15 and a half meters, the wingspan is slightly less than eleven meters for the Air Force and Marines, and slightly more than 13 for the fleet. The fighter can accelerate to 1700 km / h, rise to a height of 18,2 km and fly up to 2,6 hours at a time.
    Tests have shown that Americans overestimated the capabilities of the stealth regime. F-35 has even worse maneuverability than its predecessor F-22, in which this figure was also far from ideal. The bet on guidance systems also did not materialize: for example, our "old man" MiG-17, which did not have combat radars or long-range missiles, but it was mobile and equipped with aviation guns, managed to cause a lot of trouble to American planes.
    In the simulation of the air battle between the F-35 and the Russian Su-35, it turned out that the latter was three times more likely to go into the conditions of use of missiles, and 4,5 times more likely to complete attacks with a target defeat.
    Yes, and the stealth technology of the US F-35 fighter is good only against radars operating on centimeter waves, and in the VHF range, aircraft become perfectly visible. And it is precisely such equipment that is in service with the Russian air defense forces.
    The F-35, in turn, is also equipped with modern radars and sensors. Nevertheless, in battle, he was completely outplayed by his predecessor, the fourth-generation fighter F-16.

    As far as I know, India with its Su-30s in the training battle outplayed the F-16, this says that the 5th generation American aircraft are too much for the advertised
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 20 February 2016 17: 13
      0
      The Indians beat the NATO all in a row, even on the MiG-21 !!!
  • raiart
    raiart 20 February 2016 13: 57
    +1
    da Vinci
    "On the forums" - is it on the censor?
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 20 February 2016 14: 18
      -1
      Google to help you.
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  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 20 February 2016 14: 37
    0
    During the test, the Russian T-50 fighter (PAK FA) demonstrated one of the best rate of climb, leads the Look message Airforce resource - Swords Of Sky, published on Facebook.

    I wonder where the information about the data that were recorded in the tests comes from. It is doubtful that the data from the tests immediately fall into free access, so the question arises of the leakage of information from the test reports, Stalinists, where are you?
    1. starper
      starper 20 February 2016 16: 38
      0
      Yes, here we are, here, you can be calm :-) But this information is called an organized leak because there is nothing more to brag about.
      1. starper
        starper 21 February 2016 02: 27
        +1
        Ha ha ha, someone with a sense of humor has a problem? :-) Do not look at Petrosyan, maybe let him go :-)
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 20 February 2016 14: 43
    0
    The very first precedents of speed gain were recorded in Vietnam, when our MIGs were moving away from Amer’s missiles. And the question is not even speed, but pilot skill. Everyone understood this, but the Amer pilots, in the words of their media, had a shock! It seemed to them that the MIG was flying faster than their rocket!
    1. starper
      starper 20 February 2016 17: 00
      +1
      Young man, what precedents, what set, what speed? And before that they were flying while standing?
  • gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 20 February 2016 14: 54
    +2
    Still, I really want, with reference to promising combat complexes, to move away from victorious sports performance, and to find advantages in the form of superiority of technical characteristics and the skills of pilots and personnel. The machine is beautiful, let's wait for the production model!
  • triglav
    triglav 20 February 2016 15: 09
    -1
    How else? It can not be in any other way! Now let the mattresses scream.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 20 February 2016 15: 35
    0
    In two or three years, we will all be happy to discuss previously unprecedented T-50 records. Be proud of them and chuckle at Western tantrums, now look ..... hi
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 February 2016 15: 46
      11
      Quote: Alexey-74
      In two or three years, we will all be happy to discuss previously unprecedented T-50 records. Be proud of them and chuckle at Western tantrums, now look ..... hi

      Personally, it seems to me that it’s not the individual performance of the vehicle that matters, but how it meets the ordered performance characteristics, the smoothness of all systems, maintainability, the possibility of modernization, i.e. everything that will turn a promising development into a full-fledged combat vehicle.
      1. Yarik
        Yarik 20 February 2016 17: 14
        +2
        Not an expert at all, but your comment reminded me of a term from the field of the Navy, namely, "balance" of characteristics. Best regards.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 February 2016 15: 50
    0
    Likely a vertical take-off when lifting from an airdrome would look simply shocking at such a speed of climb!
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 20 February 2016 16: 10
    +1
    In addition, we have fans of the flawed Lokhidov's brainchild, also in abundance.
    Well, this is all because the brain doesn’t erode from the brain that everything Western is better than Russian. This goes back to the Brezhnev era. Well, no matter what, time will pass and people will finally learn to distinguish good from bad. Well, if you don’t learn, then it means so be it (Mother Earth rested on them)
  • Oml
    Oml 20 February 2016 16: 18
    0
    This is a UFO!
  • hartlend
    hartlend 20 February 2016 16: 19
    +3
    For news from Facebook (facebooks) - minus. Secondly, this is just one of many indicators, moreover, obtained one-time and not confirmed. If we write an article on every little thing, we will never do a plane; we will read the articles.
  • starper
    starper 20 February 2016 16: 47
    +3
    That's when he goes into the army, then we’ll throw bonnets into the air, but for now .... we just wish good luck.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 23 February 2016 11: 54
      0
      In 2018, probably. If the universal salary is canceled "effective".
  • Yarik
    Yarik 20 February 2016 17: 11
    0
    When they say T-50, for some reason I remember a light tank. I imagined ... laughing laughing laughing
  • andrewkor
    andrewkor 20 February 2016 17: 22
    +2
    I will add to the preparation for the record flight on the P-42 described above. After all kinds of relief, the aircraft was fastened to the tank with a special lock and cable, the engine was pulled out to the afterburner, the cable was dropped and the P-42 was launched by a bullet. It was not true the first time: the tank started to fly behind the plane. I had to urgently attach the second one — weather did not wait.
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 20 February 2016 19: 00
      0
      Quote: andrewkor
      True, the first time it didn’t work out: the tank started off behind the plane. I had to urgently attach the second, the weather did not wait.

      Somewhere infa came across that the tank was full of cast-iron ingots.
      1. aviator65
        aviator65 20 February 2016 21: 53
        0
        A little clarification. Actually, not a tank, but a heavy tracked tractor.
  • Izotovp
    Izotovp 20 February 2016 17: 29
    +1
    A little for reconciliation of the parties: the t-50 can be delivered abroad in different configurations and it is necessary to have a modification with the current engines in terms of expanding the range. And honestly, honestly: will it be much inferior (if any !!!) to the F-22/35 with these engines?
  • atamankko
    atamankko 20 February 2016 17: 58
    0
    The main thing, according to the testers, the pilot is comfortable and convenient
    work with equipment in the cockpit, which is extremely important in flight.
  • Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 20 February 2016 18: 01
    0
    Yes, do not deliver it anywhere except your troops
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  • Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 20 February 2016 18: 33
    0
    But you can immediately see who the man is wink
  • Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 20 February 2016 18: 38
    0
    Something the photo is not attached ...
  • complete zero
    complete zero 20 February 2016 18: 45
    +3
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Now let's listen to the apologists for the F-35. Right now, our Israeli friends will talk about the benefits of a miracle plane. They will competently explain to us that climb is not the main characteristic of a 5th generation fighter. smile Naturally, who wants to admit that the Americans raped them like suckers. In addition, we have fans of the flawed Lokhidov's brainchild, also in abundance. Support the word of the Israelites, if Che.

    The F35 has an advantage and is very serious ... it is a ready-made combatant (aircraft) who entered the troops or at least on the way, for the time being, we can only talk about the Sukhoi (God forbid that the declared performance characteristics correspond to reality)
  • satelit24
    satelit24 20 February 2016 18: 58
    +1
    Interestingly, how many pilots can withstand such a speedy climb?
    1. shans2
      shans2 20 February 2016 19: 45
      +1
      may be worth asking the astronauts?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 February 2016 21: 51
        +3
        Quote: shans2
        may be worth asking the astronauts?

        Or tankers! smile
    2. wow
      wow 20 February 2016 22: 42
      0
      My answer is any pilot. Climbing even in this super-fast mode is performed without overload.
      1. yehat
        yehat 22 February 2016 21: 58
        -1
        what the hell are you talking about?
        firstly, overload is, however, far from extreme
        secondly, besides this there is, for example, such a factor as pressure drop,
        and I’ll remind you - the climb rate of 1km / 3sec has been declared
        here you can withstand a pressure drop of 10 km in half a minute?
        I suspect that after 2 km there will be problems.
  • su163
    su163 20 February 2016 20: 16
    +7
    It would be necessary for him to carry out the same test as the Mig-29 on the vertical

    1. avebersek
      avebersek 21 February 2016 00: 15
      +1
      Never a pilot, but what they do and how they help ... Heroes!