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NATO made it clear that they would not help Ankara unconditionally in the event of a military conflict with the Russian Federation

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Turkey should not count on the unconditional support of its actions in the event of an armed conflict with the Russian Federation, reports Lenta.ru report statement by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Luxembourg Jean Asselborn.


NATO made it clear that they would not help Ankara unconditionally in the event of a military conflict with the Russian Federation


“NATO is not obliged, in view of the recent tensions between Russia and Turkey, to become involved in the escalation of the conflict with Russia, - said the diplomat in an interview with Der Spiegel. - The NATO Charter obliges states to stand up for an ally only if it is directly and unequivocally attacked. ”

At the same time, Asselborn specified that he expressed the “joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”.

“To prevent the escalation of the conflict, the NATO partners made the Turkish government understand that it could not count on the Alliance’s assistance if the Turkish attacks (on Syria) lead to a clash with Russia,” the minister commented on the magazine
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  1. salad
    salad 20 February 2016 12: 37
    82
    But this is nice)))
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 February 2016 12: 39
      25
      NATO is not obliged, due to recent tensions between Russia and Turkey, to get involved in escalating the conflict with Russia

      Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account No. Over the ocean they think differently.
      1. Tor5
        Tor5 20 February 2016 12: 40
        +2
        Alas, in NATO, all the issues are solved by the staff, and they have a different opinion (((
        1. cniza
          cniza 20 February 2016 12: 48
          77
          Quote: Tor5
          Alas, in NATO, all the issues are solved by the staff, and they have a different opinion (((



          And what is another opinion? The US also does not want an open clash with Russia, or am I missing something?
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 20 February 2016 12: 52
            24
            Quote: cniza
            And what is another opinion? The US also does not want an open clash with Russia, or am I missing something?

            ... that's right ... Turkey waste biomaterial ... for them already ... hi
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 20 February 2016 12: 55
              15
              This suggests that "the US-kals are going to the North," pushing crazy turakans before them! Like: "And we'll see!" And if Th - arrows on the evil Erdognida!
              That's what scary!
              1. vladimirw
                vladimirw 20 February 2016 13: 21
                16
                staff members are happy to organize a war game until victory or until the last ..... Turk!
                1. Temples
                  Temples 20 February 2016 13: 26
                  +8
                  NATO Charter obliges states to stand up for an ally only if they are directly and unequivocally attacked

                  Not binding even in case of attack. We talked about this repeatedly.
                  To think, to help as much as possible (to buy a batch of tomatoes for example), to scold it yes, but to intervene is a free interpretation.
                  Although there are a lot of sick people who want to fight now in Europe.
                  1. Turkir
                    Turkir 22 February 2016 14: 09
                    +3
                    Try it, they told Erdogan at NATO. If you start to win, we will help you.
              2. 2С5
                2С5 20 February 2016 16: 37
                +3
                ... well, yes ... what? They tossed up a grebe, left shit in Russia, created a hotbed of tension, you can go and trash elsewhere ... who is next in line for obtaining a loan to create democracy?
                1. elmi
                  elmi 21 February 2016 18: 42
                  +1
                  NATO made it clear that they would not help Ankara unconditionally in the event of a military conflict with the Russian Federation

                  Oh, something is suspiciously like-attack and we will not harness for Turkey. Something like a temptation. Since the West has always tried to drag Russia into different wars to further weaken it. In World War II, they climbed only in the end to bite off a pie.
                  All this is alarming ...
            2. Nzn
              Nzn 20 February 2016 14: 17
              +1
              Quote: Inok10
              Quote: cniza
              And what is another opinion? The US also does not want an open clash with Russia, or am I missing something?

              ... that's right ... Turkey waste biomaterial ... for them already ...

              It would be nice to consolidate this idea among the Western "partners"
            3. sgazeev
              sgazeev 20 February 2016 16: 31
              0
              Quote: Inok10
              Quote: cniza
              And what is another opinion? The US also does not want an open clash with Russia, or am I missing something?

              ... that's right ... Turkey waste biomaterial ... for them already ... hi

              Let the Turks prepare a demobilization album, demobu not tans. drinks
              1. avebersek
                avebersek 21 February 2016 00: 23
                +2
                To the Turks - ... as Wang predicted. Istanbul will be again Constantinople.
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          3. lukke
            lukke 20 February 2016 13: 40
            +5
            The US also does not want an open clash with Russia
            the keyword is "open", and yes, they are dirty and do not want to)
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          5. fif21
            fif21 20 February 2016 15: 19
            21
            Quote: cniza
            The US also does not want an open clash with Russia
            Something I do not understand. One regiment of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria, and in the west there is such a howl as if under each cactus a Budenovets with Maxim is sitting what
            1. 2С5
              2С5 20 February 2016 16: 39
              +4
              ... it feels like the states are removing unwanted Russian hands request
              1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 20 February 2016 16: 58
                0
                They just have their own plans in which they all assigned their roles. This is more convenient than doing everything yourself. Post-industrialism.
              2. Serafim-k
                Serafim-k 22 February 2016 09: 16
                0
                Quote: 2C5
                ... it feels like the states are removing unwanted Russian hands request

                Well, there is no doubt about that. Moreover, for a long time, Turkey is like a bone in the throat of the Anglo-Saxons, too independent and unpredictable. And this for their project - Building a Global Empire, is an obstacle. And then we "turned up" just in time, so why not remove the obstacle from the road with other people's crayfish.? I give 100% that as soon as we start hammering the Turks, as soon as our (allies) will crawl out of the fog to divide the Turkish pie. crying
            2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 20 February 2016 16: 55
              +1
              In fact of the matter. 1 regiment and have plans to adjust. Dumb to them.
            3. asiat_61
              asiat_61 20 February 2016 23: 15
              0
              When did Assad manage to breed cacti?
            4. avebersek
              avebersek 21 February 2016 00: 24
              0
              Geopolitics buddy ... she is the most ...
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          7. afrikanez
            afrikanez 20 February 2016 16: 16
            +5
            In order for the states to start a military confrontation with the Russian Federation, I do not know what should happen. Earth must definitely roll over. Though quirky, they still have a mind and their own skin closer to the body
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        4. askort154
          askort154 20 February 2016 13: 01
          33
          Tor5 .. Alas, in NATO, all the issues are solved by the staff, and they have a different opinion (((


          This statement is not a journalist or an expert, but the head of the country's foreign ministry. He is entrusted with the announcement of the results of the meeting of the NATO Foreign Ministers that took place the day before. This is a message to Erdogan and his minions.
        5. Nick
          Nick 21 February 2016 15: 34
          +1
          Quote: Tor5
          Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account. Overseas people think differently.

          Quote: Tor5
          Alas, in NATO, all the issues are solved by the staff, and they have a different opinion (((

          I do not think that suicidal persons live overseas
        6. silver_roman
          silver_roman 22 February 2016 11: 57
          +1
          There are Sov. Without. NATO which includes representatives of all NATO members.
          They make decisions about providing assistance, starting operations, etc.
          For example, NATO did not support the war in Iraq; the Americans themselves climbed.
          In the event of a possible collision with the Russian Federation, the states themselves will not "drag out" for the Turks.
          Then the meaning of NATO as improvised dogs just melts.
          I think this statement by Monsieur Jean says a lot.
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 20 February 2016 12: 45
        30
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account

        Asselborn specified that he expresses the "SOLIDAR opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance."
        Read carefully. hi
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 20 February 2016 12: 50
          11
          Quote: sever.56
          Asselborn specified that he expresses the "SOLIDAR opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance."

          ... exactly ... and also Luxembourg, the founding country of NATO, is not surprising 1949 ... such statements are simply not made ... hi
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 20 February 2016 15: 51
          +1
          Quote: sever.56
          Asselborn specified that he expresses the "SOLIDAR opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance."


          I want to believe it. You see, it will not come to a direct collision ...
          1. avebersek
            avebersek 21 February 2016 00: 25
            +2
            Will come. Be sure to bang, but not now))) The whole world is in dust ...
        3. tol100v
          tol100v 20 February 2016 16: 01
          +4
          Quote: sever.56
          Asselborn specified that he expresses the "SOLIDAR opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance."

          You cannot trust such "solidarity opinions"! They can change it at any time that is beneficial for them!
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 20 February 2016 12: 47
        18
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account. Overseas people think differently.

        So he kind of indicated that he was expressing jointly point of view.
        They made it clear that we are mentally, but you will receive by physiognomy personally)))
      4. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 20 February 2016 12: 51
        +2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account


        At the same time, Asselborn specified that he expressed the “joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”.
      5. Altona
        Altona 20 February 2016 12: 55
        20
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account

        ---------------------
        Well, we have announced the operation of the notorious 5 clause of the NATO Charter. Further actions of NATO members. Germany is not our war, we already accept the flow of migrants. France is not our war, we are participating in the CTO against IS-Daesh. USA, you oh ..., we still lacked a nuclear war! Great Britain - we participate in the post-war partition of Turkey! Poland, the Baltics, Norway, we will "contain" Russia in the western direction, leave me alone. That's the whole scenario itself.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 20 February 2016 13: 01
          +6
          Quote: Altona
          Poland, the Baltics, Norway, we will "contain" Russia in the western direction, leave me alone. That's the whole scenario itself.

          Montenegro: and here we will take care of Russian real estate, if you accept ...
          Albania: no, guys, noonah, our pimps will slope away from the army anyway.
          Italy: what are you doing! Lampedusa will drown ...
          1. Altona
            Altona 20 February 2016 13: 13
            0
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            Italy: what are you doing! Lampedusa will drown ...

            -------------------
            Well, for such a trifle, I did not begin to write ... laughing
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        2. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 20 February 2016 13: 02
          +7
          That is how yes They then all, will be pulled up to the sharing and will shake merit in the fight against ISIS (Daesh) ...
      6. Blondy
        Blondy 20 February 2016 13: 04
        +5
        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account.

        This is what they say to Erdogan. Pay attention to the last paragraph of the publication:
        At the same time, Asselborn specified that he expressed the “joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”.

        “To prevent the escalation of the conflict, the NATO partners made the Turkish government understand that it could not count on the Alliance’s assistance if the Turkish attacks (on Syria) lead to a clash with Russia,” the minister commented on the magazine

        NATO is still a military organization and they have it when they (the USA) do not want to get involved, all according to the charter.
        NATO Charter obliges states to stand up for an ally only if they are directly and unequivocally attacked

        And in the case of a downed Russian plane, they already had enough hemorrhoids in their anus.
        1. sever.56
          sever.56 20 February 2016 13: 18
          +1
          Quote: Blondy
          NATO is still a military organization

          Excuse me, but: - NATO is a military-political alliance ...
      7. Homo
        Homo 20 February 2016 13: 08
        +4
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account. Overseas people think differently.

        Again blah blah blah! Do you know how to read?
        "At the same time, Asselborn clarified that he expresses the" solidary opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance. "
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 20 February 2016 19: 53
          +1
          Quote: Homo
          “Joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”


          This is too amorphous, such as peeped.
      8. Sly
        Sly 20 February 2016 13: 10
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account


        in the article:
        At the same time, Asselborn specified that he expressed the “joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 20 February 2016 13: 38
          0
          Quote: Sly
          Article

          In the article you can write what you want. But NATA is NATA - a woman has one opinion today and tomorrow another.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 20 February 2016 16: 41
            0
            Quote: EvgNik
            In the article you can write what you want. But NATA is NATA - a woman has one opinion today and tomorrow another.

            And Russia then how does this relate ... continuing your thought laughing
            1. Blondy
              Blondy 20 February 2016 17: 00
              +4
              Quote: 11 black
              And Russia then how does this relate ... continuing your thought

              Calmly, probably, how else can you relate, having "carte blanche" from NATO, if Turkey rock the boat. Erdogan will need a sedative after such statements from partners.
              1. Altona
                Altona 20 February 2016 18: 03
                +2
                Quote: Blondy
                having in hand "carte blanche" from NATO

                --------------------------
                NATO in its current form is very dependent on the United States, and in general it has nothing militarily. The armies have dried up, there is almost no infrastructure, everything belongs to the USA. The war with the 15 millionth country requires almost titanic efforts from the entire bloc.
      9. Finches
        Finches 20 February 2016 13: 10
        +5
        Everything is clear that your shirt is closer to your body, even if the Americans are against it 100 times! At their headquarters they understand that Russia is not African tribes or even Afghan mujahideen with karamultuks and German Hans absolutely do not want to die for Turkish interests, nor, moreover, Luxembourgish!
      10. alex-712
        alex-712 20 February 2016 13: 28
        0
        There is no smoke without fire, we are waiting for the reaction of Ankara.
      11. Lieutenant Izhe
        Lieutenant Izhe 20 February 2016 13: 29
        +5
        This statement of a third-rate European official is a TRIAL diplomatic BALL, an attempt to bring down the fighting ardor of the Turks, who are climbing into trouble in front of Russia.
        Putin politely made it clear by his actions that he does not intend to further FORGIVE and "let loose" the Turkish antics ...
        There was Georgia, there was Crimea, VERY VERY VISUAL and CONVINCING - Syria, there will be Turkey "for nuts" if they beg!
        and NATO, at the same time, will only viciously yelp and claw with fearsome teeth, AWARE that ...
        under the Russian nuclear weapon any unnecessary body movements threaten with irreversible consequences, and it is better to let Putin "wet their next scapegoat in the outhouse" than THEM!
        1. Altona
          Altona 20 February 2016 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
          Putin "wets their next scapegoat in the outhouse" than THEM!

          -----------------------
          Goat Omissions or goat Omissions. In general, Turkey is Timur.
      12. skrabplus.ru
        skrabplus.ru 20 February 2016 13: 29
        +1
        At the same time, Asselborn clarified that he expresses “a joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”.
      13. Kent0001
        Kent0001 20 February 2016 13: 36
        +1
        This dude was instructed to voice a common position. Just from the lips of smoked or someone thread from the first five, NATO would be regarded as outright fright.
      14. 73bor
        73bor 20 February 2016 14: 29
        +1
        Then tell me, who will join NATO for Turkey? Maybe Greece, I strongly doubt Romania, walk along the bottom of the Black Sea, and in the fifth article of the NATO charter, the actions of the coalition forces do not apply to the Middle East - it was as clear as a white day!
      15. Shm
        Shm 20 February 2016 14: 38
        -1
        Especially the statement by the foreign minister of a country like Luxembourg, his words and statements do not mean anything
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      17. sgazeev
        sgazeev 20 February 2016 16: 29
        +2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Asselborn clarified that it expresses “a solidarity of opinion among the members of the North Atlantic Alliance.”
      18. djqnbdjqnb
        djqnbdjqnb 20 February 2016 16: 52
        +2
        NATO made it clear that they would not help Ankara unconditionally in the event of a military conflict with the Russian Federation


        Unconditionally they will not. Slippery become. As always.
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      20. bulvas
        bulvas 20 February 2016 17: 15
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        NATO is not obliged, due to recent tensions between Russia and Turkey, to get involved in escalating the conflict with Russia

        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account No. Over the ocean they think differently.


        And now, let them shit us?

        Shells will arrive from Estonia, should we be afraid?
      21. antipendos
        antipendos 20 February 2016 23: 19
        +1
        At the same time, Asselborn specified that he expressed the “joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”.
      22. avebersek
        avebersek 21 February 2016 00: 19
        0
        And then it will be seen ... Everything is in ruin. Piss On this and take.
      23. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 February 2016 12: 25
        0
        What are you talking about, dear.
        Quote: Starover_Z
        NATO is not obliged, due to recent tensions between Russia and Turkey, to get involved in escalating the conflict with Russia

        Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account No. Over the ocean they think differently.

        And below what is said?
        "The NATO Charter obliges states to stand up for an ally only if it is directly and unambiguously attacked."
        How will we interpret Syria's rivals across Turkey? But it seems to me they are not interesting yet. And tomorrow?
        The opinion of man. This is the opinion of the Clown with a capital K. And there is no way to call him. In Washington they decide and voice.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 20 February 2016 12: 41
      12
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))

      On the one hand, and on the other, it is clear that NATO may not directly fight with us, but it will definitely support it financially and technically. In general, they don’t feel sorry for the Turks as people, but to help fight the Russians is a holy thing.
    3. Vend
      Vend 20 February 2016 12: 55
      +3
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))
      Well these are just words.
      NATO made it clear that they would not help Ankara unconditionally in the event of a military conflict with the Russian Federation
      First, they will discuss all the details, and then ... they will merge Turkey and make Russia the main threat to the world.
    4. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 20 February 2016 12: 58
      +1
      Yes, it’s nice ... But no one will take this man’s opinion, pawns in NATO’s aspen nest. The defenders desperately need a real war between Russia and the Ottomans.
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 February 2016 12: 58
      0
      His shirt is closer to his body, harnessing for the shifted phase of the sultan who wants to be in Europe will be few, if any, at all, if only the Balts send their troops on foot to Turkey.
    6. jaguar
      jaguar 20 February 2016 13: 00
      +1
      But this is nice))) Well, it’s clear that you have to be an idiot to come into conflict with a nuclear weapon state request
    7. Scoun
      Scoun 20 February 2016 13: 01
      +3
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))

      It's not "not nice",))) that you are stroking behind your ear? lol if they say
      - attack but not all at once!
      - uhh how damn nice! laughing
      It is simply rational decision or even common sense, this, despite all the warlike rhetoric, really assesses the possible scale of the catastrophe in the event of a NATO-Russia clash, and they must remember that they have attacked Russia all over Europe and got hit on the teeth over and over and who can guarantee that in the event of a collision they will not rake again? It’ll just be BAD for everyone, and they don’t want to get it badly thanks to the frostbitten Perdogan.
    8. vlad66
      vlad66 20 February 2016 13: 03
      +9
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))

      It’s nice, of course, but not very much that my mood today is bored, they will stand aside and will still quietly feed Erdogashka with resources, equipment, money, don’t you think that they will be neutral? Their sweet dreams to push Russia with anyone Something to stand on the side of NATO like nothing at all.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 20 February 2016 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: vlad66
        quietly feed Erdogashka with resources, equipment

        They will help out in the open, only do not participate in battles.
        And technology and means and hysterical howl of a ceasefire.
        .
    9. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 20 February 2016 13: 04
      +1
      This is a blatant lie, the story suggests the opposite.

      http://sha-julin.livejournal.com/93921.html
    10. vodolaz
      vodolaz 20 February 2016 13: 14
      +1
      Who would doubt that? The NATO charter does not spell out how many troops need to be sent, saying 5 people on an SUV is also help.
    11. Sweles
      Sweles 20 February 2016 13: 21
      +3
      another provocation, if Nata did not support the Turks, they would condemn the fact of the attack on our Su24, and they supported, on the contrary, Nata is pushing the Turks with all their might to the conflict and if there is a very big showdown in case of an answer ...
    12. Umnichka
      Umnichka 20 February 2016 13: 45
      +2
      In fact, there is not much pleasant - as always, in past centuries, the Anglo-Saxons and others like them push us together, and Erdogan is underway. Europe in this case, I have no doubt, will help both sides and will be happy to watch how we beat each other, with the goal of both our and Turkish weakening, followed by a favorable position for Europe. From our point of view, this is meanness, from the point of view of the gay people everything is okay. I hate tolerants.
    13. Umnichka
      Umnichka 20 February 2016 13: 45
      0
      In fact, there is not much pleasant - as always, in past centuries, the Anglo-Saxons and others like them push us together, and Erdogan is underway. Europe in this case, I have no doubt, will help both sides and will be happy to watch how we beat each other, with the goal of both our and Turkish weakening, followed by a favorable position for Europe. From our point of view, this is meanness, from the point of view of the gay people everything is okay. I hate tolerants.
    14. avt
      avt 20 February 2016 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))

      What brought so much pleasure? You don’t want to refresh your memory about how Saddam sent a letter to the USA Ambassador about their possible intervention in the event of Iraq’s attack on Kuwait, and in response received - your business, we won’t interfere?
    15. My doctor
      My doctor 20 February 2016 14: 09
      +2
      Hussein seems to be asking America. The representative of the United States seemed to be giving the go-ahead. Then what coalition did you get?
      It seems to me that in any case everyone will be against Russia. It seems that the country is walking along the minefield which they forced to go choosing the least from two evils.
    16. northern
      northern 20 February 2016 14: 49
      19
      Duc, the right old woman Europe will pinpoint.
      Here are the ministers of defense, everything is clear without words.
      And holes in the defense are dangerous.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 20 February 2016 15: 01
        +5
        Super about holes in the defense laughing good
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    17. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 20 February 2016 15: 28
      -1
      Quote: salat
      Expresses the "joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance."

      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))

      Yes, but to express this opinion, a more powerful figure is needed. Turkey was unlikely to count on Luxembourg to support its actions.
    18. gergi
      gergi 20 February 2016 16: 16
      0
      What is so nice here? Russia is being pushed hard to a direct clash with Turkey. This is done, as always, vilely, out of silence, let’s, we stand aside. Instantly declare us aggressors! And would anyone be surprised if they hit us in the back?
    19. Army1
      Army1 20 February 2016 17: 27
      0
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))

      Yes, only now, for any we are forced to fight. This is life money, etc.
    20. meriem1
      meriem1 20 February 2016 17: 54
      0
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))


      Under one condition! That this statement is not a trap! How upside down rearrange and substitute concepts ... We know. But Radish horseradish is not sweeter. Let them risk ... health. Slavs are afraid for Wife ... Children. And measure .. I do not think so. There is the opposite of Russia. His s.raka closer to the body, and children at 18 go on a free wandering. What is not an indicator.

      PS And who was instructed to voice NATO position ??? Provoke even here. Well, at least they would cheer on laughs and interruptions at the sessions. Thinking of yourself .. as a hegemonic is one thing. Watching a flock of CALIBERS fly ... quite another.
    21. marlin1203
      marlin1203 20 February 2016 19: 35
      0
      This is the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Luxembourg! Not even the US Secretary of State. And why listen to him?
    22. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 20 February 2016 23: 13
      +6
      Quote: salat
      But this is nice)))

      And, you, my friend, is a pravokator and what else.
      We said on the website that Erdogan is not a distant person, he hears what he wants to hear (like all people, but politics is not allowed). When we shot down our plane, and NATO talked about its right to protect its territory. He believed that he had secured support.
      I recall the story of 1Mv. England assured William that the continental disassembly did not concern her. William believed, and then fought hysterically on the deck of his yacht.
      In Russian-Japanese, all countries were neutral, but they supplied Japan with everything that it needed to survive.
      And here the same vinaigrette is being prepared. NATO: "Deal with yourself, we have an article of the charter, we have no right to interfere." Rave. When, to whom were the papers prevented from participating in the war and defending their interests? A war by someone else's hands is ideal. NATO interests? A carriage and a small cart.
      1. Turkey wants and can fight. New planes, missiles of all classes, tanks will be planted, and now we have problems. True, this should be done during the war, and not before, so that we have the temptation and confidence: "But now we will punish you." The Internet is crammed with analysis of the relationship between the capabilities of the Armed Forces, only these are the capabilities not of tomorrow's morning, but of yesterday's.
      2. NATO wants to fight with us, but cannot. People can’t. Several tens of thousands of scumbags, mercenaries who do not care where and whom, this is not enough for the war. There are reserves, but here Turkish hands ask, give! And they will give everything, but after.
      3. Europe falls under TAPok, except for the US market, it does not shine. But no, Europe in case of war gets a chance to live again, but it will be seen there.
      4. We will shatter ISIS, and they will rush through Turkey to Europe. Why, let them burn on the spot. Again, war is beneficial to Europe.
      Yes, there’s a lot more, the war is beneficial to almost everyone, the EU (will still be alive), NATO (there is a chance to fight with us practically by someone else’s hands, and in the end, what the hell doesn’t joke and be victorious by ourselves), the USA (before we sort out what is not managed), Turkey (or pan or disappeared), ISIS (he will receive support as a fighter against us).
      And China-monkey is sitting on a tree ... And a bunch of small rodents in the bushes starting from Japan and ending with Estonia.
      What to do? Do not twitch and bend your line. Neither enemies nor friends will forgive weakness.
      1. Generalissimo
        Generalissimo 20 February 2016 23: 23
        +1
        Very true moment! Provocation...
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 21 February 2016 07: 12
          +1
          Quote: Generalissimo
          Very true moment! Provocation...

          Of course, I’m not a specialist in the circus-manirlich of international relations, but it seems to me that NATO plays the first fiddle in NATO and whether or not NATO will fight there.
          Yes, recently we have seen more than once how NATO countries decided to fight, not to fight, to give a company from a country or a platoon enough. And everyone had the impression of a certain amorphous mass. But this concerned local wars, for the interests of the USA and in some kind (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria or Libya), and here the interests of all. And decisions will be taken instantly, but it has already been taken, the papers are signed and everything rests on us.
          But the main thing has not been done for us. The doctrine of national security. Yes Yes.
          1. Not indicated potential enemies. Whose direction rockets will fly. That you can redirect missiles at any time, let's not. All missiles are aimed at us and there is nothing, we live. I really want some of our missiles to be aimed at Switzerland and England. And this is stated. And we will not offend anyone, just a guarantee of neutrality in Europe.
          2. The right to launch a preventive nuclear strike.
          Only under these conditions, you can safely not only participate in local showdowns, but just live.
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  3. Xzistant
    Xzistant 20 February 2016 12: 38
    +5
    Interesting girls are dancing)

    The neat merging of Turkey begins. Keep it up!!!
    1. avvg
      avvg 20 February 2016 12: 45
      +7
      You can't believe in them, they promised something to "Mr. Gorby" too.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 20 February 2016 13: 09
        0
        Quote: avvg
        You can't believe in them, they promised something to "Mr. Gorby" too.

        reasonably. But the situation is somewhat different.
      2. Fat
        Fat 23 February 2016 11: 31
        0
        If Mr. Gorby is even right, I'll bring a bunch of flowers to his grave myself. And maybe more ...
    2. dorz
      dorz 20 February 2016 12: 49
      +6
      Turkey should not count on unconditional support for its actions in the event of an armed conflict with the Russian Federation

      I would not trust such statements. The West has always accompanied its dirty deeds with a flood of misinformation; there are enough examples.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 20 February 2016 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: dorz
        The West has always accompanied its dirty deeds with a flood of misinformation; there are enough examples.

        And here is the concrete expression of the Foreign Minister of Luxembourg, whose residents are not bad to live and live in first place in terms of GDP per capita. yes

        And even if you take this into account:
        At the same time, Asselborn specified that he expressed the “joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”.

        a situation in which "successful members" lol block are not going to be responsible for the actions of the "insane", you can call it in one word:
        VZBZD "00000" ... laughing
        1. Fat
          Fat 23 February 2016 12: 04
          0
          I understand you, you are right, But all NATO Claims. SHOULD settle on something. Schaz ... It will happen ... Yes, never. As for the small country of Luxembourg. IMHO There is no doubt that the state follows somewhere in the area of ​​common sense. In this country, dofuya divisions.
          So yes! The Turks screwed up specifically, but they won’t give up the messengers ... Mohet to be corrected rhetoric ....
    3. 2С5
      2С5 20 February 2016 17: 08
      +1
      ... they began to merge after our plane was shot down by the Turks ... 100% were written different "scenarios" of excuses for Erdogan and Davutoglu, such a multi-move in the style of shsha, which seems to have nothing to do with it ... although the whole world sees and knows who actually rules, but is mostly silent, because it depends on the shsha for various reasons, and they wanted to spit on any opinions and, as usual, "include the fool and the director of the planet" - they smile and shrug their shoulders, expressing various degrees of concern and concern ...
    4. Fat
      Fat 23 February 2016 11: 26
      0
      Quote: Xzistant
        6  

      HOW to understand it Generally. Gloomy business. NATO to merge "members" Not only is unworthy and unusual. The statement of the representative of such a Great Country is it worth believing. She died, so she died ... God forgive me ... Any business pours from a small fraction ...
  4. GSH-18
    GSH-18 20 February 2016 12: 40
    +2
    “To prevent the escalation of the conflict, the NATO partners made the Turkish government understand that it could not count on the Alliance’s assistance if the Turkish attacks (on Syria) lead to a clash with Russia,” the minister commented on the magazine

    So that is all. The Turkish gambit has crippled.
  5. dr.star75
    dr.star75 20 February 2016 12: 40
    11
    We are being incited to the war: sort of deal with Turkey yourself, we are neutral.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 20 February 2016 14: 02
      +2
      Absolutely with you, dear, I agree!
      They need to pull us into the war with Turkey and the Saudis with all their might - this is just the golden dream of the Anglo-Saxons and world Judaism!
      "New Afghan" for Russia is simply vital for them, otherwise "kirdyk" will be or "scribe" will sneak up not noticeably!
      And as soon as the Turks get at least a little "Lyuli", and there is no doubt about it, they will immediately remember their allied obligations to Erdogan and the Saudis and NATO and the states and even Australian Abboregens!
      The most important thing is to tighten, to drag Russia a bloody massacre in BV! And then lean on with all the edge, as they know how and love!
      In 1939, too, much was guaranteed ... but it ended with a catastrophe of universal proportions .... In this fucking world, you can never trust anyone and never!
  6. Monos
    Monos 20 February 2016 12: 40
    12
    The Tatars had this trick: to bump into the enemy with small forces, and then give the gang to the enemy luring the enemy in an ambush. It seems like we are being lured.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 20 February 2016 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: Monos
      ... It looks like we are being lured.


      Perhaps your truth is ... It may be that they are preparing intrigues for us, only in this situation NATO members suggested that Erdogan try to put together the word himself: "ETERNITY" for Turkish statehood from the letters he chose: "O", "F", " A "," P "...
      request
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 20 February 2016 17: 43
      +2
      Quote: Monos
      It looks like we're being lured


      The example of Saddam has already been given here. I would remind you about the WWI: Germany risked starting a war only because the brazen ones made it clear that they would remain neutral!
  7. PKK
    PKK 20 February 2016 12: 41
    +4
    The NATO is not ready for a strong war, they are so bombed, and they themselves do not want to be fired upon.
    1. Nord2015
      Nord2015 20 February 2016 12: 49
      +3
      For them, a war on their own territory is a nightmare. Anywhere, just to watch it on TV. A well-fed calm life. Is a German burgher ready to die for Erdogan's ambitions? No. Are the Americans ready to destroy their cities for the bearded "opposition"? Oh my God. All of them are heroes as long as the blood is pouring somewhere out there, on TV and on the pages of newspapers.
      So I want to ask a question. What is the strength in, brother?
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 20 February 2016 13: 15
        +3
        Quote: Nord2015
        Is the German burgher ready to die for Erdogan’s ambitions?

        and who will ask him? And if a burgher has to die in a cataclysm with an undigested sausage in his belly, then think "for what?" he won't be in time. However, this not only concerns him.
      2. Fat
        Fat 23 February 2016 12: 25
        0
        Yeah, yep. Herr General. Power is in the truth! I don’t mind a syllable. TREASURES pouring. Yes, yes, GOD mine ... I’d go and spend three days without a hitch .... For non-payment of the shafts ...
  8. mark_rod
    mark_rod 20 February 2016 12: 42
    +1
    Luxembourg ...- a point on the world map. Why not let this point blurt out something there? Now, if the German Foreign Ministry spoke out or, at worst, France, then yes, that would be a weighty statement!
  9. Lanista
    Lanista 20 February 2016 12: 43
    +8
    It is not necessary to consider the indigenous NATO as idiots. For the sake of Perdogan, only thinkers of the level of Poroshenko can harness the war with Russia.
    1. Nord2015
      Nord2015 20 February 2016 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: Lanista
      No need to consider indigenous NATO as idiots

      The key word here is INDIGENOUS. It's nice for NATO guys to get high from behind. So they raise their self-esteem. The inferiority complex, what can you do.
  10. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 February 2016 12: 46
    +4
    Now, if the Turks held their homosexual parades, then NATO would definitely intercede for "their girlfriends", but ... only in words! !!
  11. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 20 February 2016 12: 46
    +2
    ))) here they are - "they drowned the horse at the crossing"
  12. Stalingrad
    Stalingrad 20 February 2016 12: 48
    +3
    But don't talk to Ukraine about this, otherwise they will have absolutely grief, longing there ... and the Balts too .. and the Poles .... Mnda, how many more "members" that run up and wait for NATO to intercede for them ... I think we need to bring the Iskander division to the airbase. The caliber is certainly good, but, so to speak, "consolidate the success"!
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 20 February 2016 12: 53
      +1
      Quote: Stalingrad
      Mnda, how many more such "members" that run up and wait for NATO to intercede for them.

      and only Erdie boasts of having eggs laughing
      1. square
        square 20 February 2016 12: 55
        0
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        Quote: Stalingrad
        Mnda, how many more such "members" that run up and wait for NATO to intercede for them.

        and only Erdie boasts of having eggs laughing

        And while bragging.
  13. KBR109
    KBR109 20 February 2016 12: 49
    +2
    The native NATO is only one. The rest are invited on a voluntary basis.
  14. Bosk
    Bosk 20 February 2016 12: 49
    +2
    They are hinting that something in the event of a conflict with Turkey does not wake up the "Crimean company in 1854" for Russia, but this does not mean that they will "stand" aside because Turkey is strategically important in terms of location.
  15. ARES623
    ARES623 20 February 2016 12: 51
    +1
    Better to let the horse drown alone than with the rider, his detachment and the surrounding villages. To be honest, sometimes one can state glimpses of reason on the "other" side. They also want to live .... And we should once again express our "respect" to Lavrenty Pavlovich and Joseph Vissarionovich.
  16. yuriy55
    yuriy55 20 February 2016 12: 56
    0
    NATO made it clear that they would not help Ankara unconditionally in the event of a military conflict with the Russian Federation


    We read a Russian proverb: "Your shirt is closer to your body" ... yes
    Now study another: "Every vegetable has its own time" (Every deed should be done when it is well prepared, when it is time to do it.) Ie. not immediately, but gradually, hands will reach you and your problems with us ... wink
  17. BOB044
    BOB044 20 February 2016 12: 57
    +1
    Erdogashka, there’s no one who will not go to the conflict for you with Russia. So massage your ass if you climb into Syria.
  18. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 20 February 2016 13: 03
    +2
    We’ll wait and see, but to the Turks this statement is like a tub of cold water ...
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 February 2016 13: 10
    +3
    Yes, Erdogan did not expect such a reaction. The NATO brothers threw it, left alone in the aviary with a bear, and pulled out the stairs. The bear has just sniffed, and growls at too loud sounds, but for now. In general, they lit up ... He thought he was in the gang, one for all, all for one, and only the first half of the slogan works here!
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 20 February 2016 17: 46
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The bear is just sniffing, and growls at too loud sounds, but this is


      The bear remembers the proverb about free cheese and reasonably suspects that this bait has been poisoned.

      PS In heraldry, the bear symbolizes forethought
  20. Taygerus
    Taygerus 20 February 2016 13: 12
    +3
    Quote: salat
    But this is nice)))


    Yes, it's just music! laughing
    Happy Comrades!
  21. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 20 February 2016 13: 20
    +2
    They threw Turkish estrogen, partners overseas. Did he seriously expect that all NATA would fit in for him?
  22. Flat5160
    Flat5160 20 February 2016 13: 21
    +1
    Of course, Syria is not NATO territory, and what kind of a bloc can be said to fight to defend someone’s territory for an inadequate Erdogan. Another thing is how they will behave, if such a conflict has occurred from a political point of view and with sanctions. But this is another question, the main thing is that Turkey has been given a signal to think hard.
  23. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 20 February 2016 13: 28
    +2
    The instinct of self-preservation has not yet been lost. This makes me happy. good
  24. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 20 February 2016 13: 30
    +2
    The US will not go into direct conflict with Russia. But they can organize a conflict between Europe and the Russian Federation, leading to a weakening of both sides. They are doing it now, but so far only in the economic sphere.
  25. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 20 February 2016 13: 31
    +1
    NATO is not obliged, due to recent tensions between Russia and Turkey, to get involved in escalating the conflict with Russia

    But this is already interesting. Now we are waiting for Erdogan to switch on and off the rear
  26. izya top
    izya top 20 February 2016 13: 36
    +7
    --------------------------------------
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 20 February 2016 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      --------------------------------------

      Children on the first desks are especially attentive, there are always excellent students and nerds. :-)))
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 20 February 2016 20: 17
        +2
        Especially the first with a beard !!! explicit nerd !!! laughing
  27. Valkh
    Valkh 20 February 2016 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: salat
    But this is nice)))

    Perhaps self-defense is triggered or the instinct of self-preservation?!? good
  28. From Samara
    From Samara 20 February 2016 13: 39
    0
    It was immediately clear! It is painful in Europe, unlike Turkey, life is good! They don’t want Armagedon because of the impoverished Turkey!

    We must strike! And return the straits to Russia!
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  29. tomcat117
    tomcat117 20 February 2016 13: 39
    +1
    Quote: Starover_Z
    NATO is not obliged, due to recent tensions between Russia and Turkey, to get involved in escalating the conflict with Russia

    Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account No. Over the ocean they think differently.


    Do not relax guys, this is the golden hour of NATO.
    "Not helping" Turkey, she will provide her with other assistance: volunteers (including disguised military experts from all the participating countries), intelligence. information, equipment, ammunition, sabotage work in all directions and fronts. This is the same war, only the acorns of the American scythes will be taken out of the fire by the hands of the Turkobasmachi.
    Therefore, it is very important to inflict a military blow on the Turks that would deprive them and their "allies" of political and military will. And you understand that, a completely different war and a different weapon.
    The question is, will our country and the leadership agree to this, after all, the UN will shit with all its "members"?
  30. edwardwar
    edwardwar 20 February 2016 13: 52
    +2
    all this bullshit. the turkeys rake and crawl nazat
  31. atamankko
    atamankko 20 February 2016 13: 52
    +1
    One must rely only on oneself, "said but not done" is a NATO principle.
  32. DMB3000
    DMB3000 20 February 2016 13: 55
    +1
    Quote: salat
    But this is nice)))

    But how is the news?)

    2 hours ago | Politics | RBC
    US withdraws its main strategic bombers from Syria and Iraq
    The US will temporarily withdraw from its operation against the Islamic State (a banned terrorist organization, ISIS) in Syria and Iraq its B-1 Lancer supersonic strategic bombers, which are considered the main striking force of the US Air Force in this operation.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 20 February 2016 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: DMB3000
      But how is the news?)

      not news for a long time. Why didn’t you indicate the reason for the conclusion?
  33. DMB3000
    DMB3000 20 February 2016 14: 03
    0
    Quote: edwardwar
    all this bullshit. the turkeys rake and crawl nazat

    type the text correctly.
  34. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 20 February 2016 14: 06
    +1
    Drain Turkey. Hello Baltic States.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 20 February 2016 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Drain Turkey. P

      and what is the drain in your opinion?
  35. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 20 February 2016 14: 12
    +1
    Such a conflict between Russia and NATO is only possible when the entire bloc seems to withdraw itself from the conflict and all the dirty work will be done by the spooks, Turkey and the Saudis with their faithful partigenosses. Meanwhile, the entry into Syria will be carried out under the command of the Pentagon. , technicians and rangers do not leave the battlefield. NATO structures and services continue to work as before. NATO generals (behind whose backs are American and European military industrialists) will supply Assad's enemies with everything they need for good money. I do not believe this Luxembourg stripe. and his bifurcated sting, when he assures that this is a private matter of the Turks and nothing more. Yes, Turkey has always been a "stranger" and "not her boyfriend" for Europeans. When looking at the past, you think - did you and your country do everything right to meet tomorrow as it should. And it doesn't matter what happened. The main thing is to understand what kind ofour backs are the children's sleep of our cities. And help each other. To live and fight as the last time. Again and again the dawn will rise.
  36. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 20 February 2016 14: 15
    +1
    Why? I heard the Poles said that the Turks would crash the Russian units.
  37. sledge
    sledge 20 February 2016 14: 18
    0
    They hinted like if they were doing it themselves. And we stand aside
  38. prishelec
    prishelec 20 February 2016 14: 24
    0
    Yes, no, they will definitely intervene! Let's hope that there will not be a war with NATO anyway, I am sure that in the long run we would have won, but still ...
  39. raid14
    raid14 20 February 2016 14: 39
    +3
    Zamanuha, like go fight the Turk, we will not fit, yeah right now. If everything was so simple, I gave it to the owners of my words today, took it back tomorrow, there is no faith.
    Europe has always pitted Russia and Turkey in their interests, do not step on the old rake.
  40. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 20 February 2016 14: 56
    +2
    Turks doomed themselves counting on NATO and it turned out as always
  41. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 20 February 2016 15: 01
    +3
    And what did the Turks count on? What because of one idiot will the third world unleash?
  42. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 20 February 2016 15: 29
    +6
    Today, according to Euronews, the Turkish Foreign Minister stated that for the entry of Turkish troops into Syria, it is necessary: ​​1. Resolution of the UN Security Council, 2. Resolution of the Parliament, 3. Something like the report of the General Staff on readiness for war - to see, besides Erdogan himself, to fight with Syria and No one wants Russia.
  43. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 February 2016 15: 46
    +3
    This is to be expected! Otherwise, it turns out that NATO and the EU are ready for the sake of Turkey or Syria or someone else to sacrifice themselves or what? To kick Russia into a corner is now simply impossible!
  44. starper
    starper 20 February 2016 16: 17
    +1
    Even if Big Bibizyan personally guarantees that he will not help the Turks, do not believe it! Someone really wants to get Russia into a harlot, but we already have enough problems.
  45. Hort
    Hort 20 February 2016 16: 17
    +1
    leaked Turchat
  46. Aleksandrovich
    Aleksandrovich 20 February 2016 16: 18
    +6
    I don’t know the subtleties, but why not announce intentions in support of NATO to Erdagan personally, but do we have to make an announcement to the whole world? Maybe the true goals are completely different and it is likely that Erdagan knows about them. But European voters, as well as Russians, may rejoice, and relax. I think that if a serious conflict starts, then the statement of the Minister of Luxembourg will simply be forgotten. So it’s hardly possible to take this statement seriously.
  47. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 20 February 2016 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: Starover_Z
    NATO is not obliged, due to recent tensions between Russia and Turkey, to get involved in escalating the conflict with Russia

    Unfortunately, the opinion of one person in such cases is not taken into account No. Over the ocean they think differently.

    Are we generally reading an article or are we commenting on speed?

    At the same time, Asselborn clarified that he expresses “a joint opinion of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance”

    what
  48. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 20 February 2016 16: 54
    +3
    you can take into account the general opinion of the alliance, but in no case can you rely on it.
  49. Yarik
    Yarik 20 February 2016 16: 55
    +2
    They change their minds too often. Would a dog be with him, but to the diametrically opposite? It happens in schizophrenics. NATO of schizophrenia is somehow even ... not that. Licks? Also ... not that. Conclusion - an attempt to play off the "illegal" owners of the church of St. Sophia.
  50. ozon34rus
    ozon34rus 20 February 2016 17: 10
    +1
    Quote: salat
    But this is nice)))

    Balm for the soul)))