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"Blue Angels" on wheels MZKT

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"Nuclear weapon Russia has long been surpassed by similar US weapons, ”said Yuri Solomonov, general designer of MIT Corporation, who led the development of Topol-M, Yars and Bulava ballistic missiles.


And this advantage will increase even more when a new ballistic missile RS-26 Rubezh, also developed by the MIT corporation (formerly Moscow Thermal Engineering Institute), will come into service with the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation (RVSN) of the Russian Federation. As the Commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergey Karakaev, once reported, in 2015, it was planned to complete the tests of this complex, and from 2016, it will be put on combat duty.

However, the characteristics of the PC-26 (in the West, it is assigned the index SS-X-29) at the moment, little is known. According to experts, this is a solid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with advanced combat equipment and a divided head (RVS) made using an unconventional method of breeding warheads - the so-called Blue Angels.

BETTING ON “BUS”

In November 1962, the Department of Special Development of the US Navy (SPO - Special Project Office), together with the Air Force, began a conceptual study of the combat equipment for ICBMs and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). Considered two options that differed by the method of breeding warheads.

The first received the Mailman symbol and assumed the creation of a so-called “bus” (Bus) - a platform with a guidance system and a propulsion system, from which warheads were successively separated at calculated points of the trajectory and then made an uncontrolled flight according to the laws of ballistics for specified targets. The advantage of this method was the relative simplicity and the possibility of placing on the platform-bus 10-14, and theoretically even 30 warheads.

The second method was called Blue Angels, and its essence was to equip each warhead with its own propulsion system and individual guidance system. The main advantage of this method was the ability to actively maneuver warheads throughout the flight, including the extra-atmospheric and atmospheric sections. In addition, the possibility of attacking targets along low-level flat trajectories was provided. True, the number of warheads on the carrier with this method of deployment could not be more than four.

From the point of view of rational use of the drop weight and technology of execution, the Bus scheme looks more preferable than Blue Angels. In the latter, as already noted above, it was required to equip each warhead with an individual guidance system, its own multiple-action propulsion system (DU), with fuel and oxidizer tanks.

In the absence of a potential adversary of active anti-missile defense (ABM) facilities in the extra-atmospheric space, the Blue Angels scheme was not that technically unrealizable, but more complex to perform and redundant in its capabilities. Therefore, the first version of the split head became a classic design, and the second one was “laid on the table” for almost half a century.

NEW - THIS IS NOT FORGOTTEN OLD

However, in connection with the intensification of work in the United States to create the National Missile Defense System (NMD), including its advanced frontier, the European missile defense system, Russia decided to create an individual targeting missile based on the Russian-made military targeting technology using the Blue Angels technology, which received the PC-26 index.

A draft design of the new rocket was prepared by the Moscow Institute of Heating Engineering. Its full-scale development began in the 2006 year. In 2008, a contract was signed between MIT Corporation and the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant to prepare the MZKT-79291 transporter (12 x 12 formula) for a mobile launcher (PU).



This wheel conveyor is significantly smaller in size than the old MZKT-79221 (16x16), created specifically for Topol-M and Yars, and has a slightly lower payload - 50 ton vs. 80, which gave the experts grounds to determine the approximate mass and size characteristics of the new missile: the mass of the launch canister is 50 t, the launch mass of the rocket itself is 32 t, length is 13 m.

Based on the information of the Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, General Karakayev, that the new missile is not intended for installation in silo launchers (SPE), but only its mobile version was developed, analysts concluded that, most likely, MIT executed the new ICBM SLBM technology. And in the technical assignment there were no requirements for increased shock resistance (like mine or dual-base missiles), since there is no need to withstand a shock load during close nuclear explosions. Consequently, the opportunity to ease the design and increase the throw weight.

That is, the "Boundary" is the one that was promised a few years ago, a unified ICBM rocket based on the Bulava SLBM. From her PC-26 got the first two stages, the third consists of three or four separate stages, warheads of smaller diameter (up to 0,8 m), connected in a package. Each such separate stage is equipped with its own liquid-propellant rocket engine (LRE). First of all, this is the possibility of multiple (albeit short-term) inclusion of the GBI and SM-3 class evasion necessary to carry out a maneuver of evasion of anti-ballistic missiles.

When braking the head parts in the dense layers of the atmosphere to a value less than 3 km / s. The LRE will be activated to give each warhead additional acceleration (increasing their speed to 9,2 km / sec.) In order to overcome the second echelon of THAAD.

One of the main combat features of the Topolis and Yarsov RVSN in service is a sharp (by the standards of rocket technology of previous generations) start. Overclocking lasts less than 5 minutes. Because of this, it is very difficult for the NMD system to fix the very fact of the launch. During this time, these types of missiles will not have time to intercept the missile interceptor of the European missile defense system, even from Poland or Romania.

But in the case of the Rubezh ICBM, the acceleration stage is even less due to the use of high-energy fuel, which was previously used only on SLBMs. It was not used on mine ICBMs due to the high susceptibility of detonation and sensitivity close to a conventional explosive that does not provide resistance to shock overload in a nuclear explosion.

ICBM, BRSD and ANTI-PRO in ONE FLACONE

All the above-mentioned properties of the PC-26 allow it to overcome all levels of the American missile defense system. It is not for nothing that Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the military-industrial complex sphere in the Russian government, called the RS-26 a “missile defense killer”, implying that neither the existing nor the promising missile defense systems are able to intercept the missiles of this complex.

Meanwhile, the use of the Blue Angels technology allowed the Rubezh ICBM to implement the concept of using low-altitude ballistic missiles (apogee — no higher than 60-80 km) of a flat trajectory at a distance, attributed by the INF Treaty to the distances of medium and short range (minimum range of the PC-26 - 2.000 km, maximum - more than 6.000 km), with the flight time reduced by 40% relative to the “classical” ballistic trajectory. This allows you to use this ICBM as MRBR - a medium-range ballistic missile, without violating the provisions of the INF Treaty.

Military analysts believe that the adoption of the RS-26 and the beginning of its mass production will allow Russia to quickly catch up with the United States in the number of deployed carriers and warheads, which may occur after the decommissioning of ICBMs with expired service life, and derive quantitative indicators of nuclear weapons and means of their delivery to the maximum level permitted by the terms of the START-3 agreement.

Recall that the current Russian-US agreement requires the parties to bring the number of delivery vehicles and warheads to the agreed value by 2018 year. It is by this date that the production and transfer of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia to the largest number of PC-26 complexes should be expected.
According to the US State Department, at the moment Russia and the United States have respectively 528 and 794 carriers of nuclear weapons. This number includes strategic bombers, each of which is equivalent to a single ballistic missile in the START-3 agreement. On these carriers, the Russians deployed 1.643 nuclear warheads, and the Americans - 1.652.

ON THE "PLATFORM" THERE ARE NO ASSISTANCE

According to media reports, the mass production of ICBMs for the Rubezh PGRK will be arranged at the Votkinsk engineering plant, and the equipment for launchers at the Volgograd factory Barricades. But regarding the manufacturer of wheeled chassis for them the experts had differences. The fact is that since Soviet times, the traditional supplier of such machines is the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant, and there was every reason to expect to maintain the status quo.

"Blue Angels" on wheels MZKT

MZKT-79291 chassis for PC-26 autonomous launcher

But over the past two years, a whole series of publications has passed in the Russian press stating that the Russian Defense Ministry intends in the shortest possible time to abandon the use of Belarusian chassis as carriers of the latest PGRK. It was argued that these complexes would be located on the chassis of the Platform family developed by the Kama Automobile Plant. In the future, the machines of this family will go into service with all types and types of troops of Russia, and the Belarusian MZKT will lose Russian military orders.

A number of representatives of the expert community began to discuss its consequences of this step for the Minsk plant, and for Belarus as a whole. But while the chassis of the family "Platform" is not accepted for service. So, mobile launchers of Belarusian production are still in demand.



Not so long ago, the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant at the parade in honor of Independence Day in Minsk presented to the public its new MZKT-79291 chassis with 650 horsepower for an autonomous PC-26 launcher, thus confirming the status of a bona fide supplier and developer of unique vehicles for the Russian army.
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  1. eyvamin
    eyvamin 21 February 2016 07: 39
    +6
    Old Man needs to decide who he is
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 February 2016 07: 49
      0
      For that he will be, who will give more money ..
      1. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 21 February 2016 09: 10
        +4
        I do not agree. Old Man does not understand that if you trust the West excessively, then you can end like Gaddafi. But Russia also will not cease to bustle and keep in good shape.
        1. Darkmor
          Darkmor 21 February 2016 11: 31
          18
          It doesn’t matter for whom or against whom the Old Man.
          We should draw a conclusion from the situation with Ukraine - cooperation by cooperation, but the vital sectors of the military-industrial complex must be either their own or duplicated.
          So that if Batko could have a heart attack and some Belarusian nationalist follower would come in his place, we would not grab hold of his head about rocket trucks and a transit pipe.
          1. zennon
            zennon 21 February 2016 11: 56
            +3
            Quote: Darkmor
            The vital branches of the defense industry must be either proprietary or duplicated.

            This is understood in the Kremlin:
            http://maxpark.com/community/5206/content/3570654
          2. Kent0001
            Kent0001 21 February 2016 14: 38
            +7
            Need your own chassis, definitely !!!!!
            1. Voice of the Mind
              Voice of the Mind 21 February 2016 22: 49
              +2
              Quote: Kent0001
              Need your own chassis, definitely !!!!!

              1000
              By state order, even the zipper and buttons on the uniform should be domestic production.
              But in such a fundamental industry as missile forces, it is not comme il faut to put on the chassis of an ally (especially such as Lukashenko)
              1. Quager
                Quager 22 February 2016 09: 32
                +1
                It is possible to organize joint production on our territory for the needs of the army, it seems to me many questions will be removed.
              2. dark45
                dark45 22 February 2016 12: 32
                +2
                KZKT plant that made such tractors in Russia was brought to bankruptcy and its territory is now occupied by shopping centers
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 21 February 2016 07: 57
      22
      Quote: eyvamin
      Old Man needs to decide who he is

      First of all, he is for Belarus. It is his duty as president. Like Putin, Russia is in first place, and Nazarbayev is Kazakhstan. Everything else is secondary.
      1. alllll
        alllll 21 February 2016 08: 48
        +4
        One is not a warrior in the field, all of Europe is already working on this principle, one old man is special. Finishes playing like Yanuk. It is extremely wrong to give Belarus part of our defense industry. Everything should be done in Russia.
        1. 1500014781401
          1500014781401 21 February 2016 09: 59
          -8
          Right, block access to our products to your market in full. And then wait for NATO near Smolensk. Close your com at the same time. points with us, all the same, contracts are concluded so that you do not pay us, and for 25 years you have such a freebie on these contracts. Is this not a betrayal of the interests of the Belarusian people by Lukashenko?
          1. avt
            avt 21 February 2016 10: 47
            14
            Quote: 1500014781401
            . And then wait for NATO near Smolensk.

            We are already waiting - we are restoring a division near Smolensk and a military town for it. Thank God, after the last twist with the airbase, on which we agreed and suddenly Butler - “I’m not into kug-se, gebs." there is nothing in the West "no longer rolls.
            Quote: 1500014781401
            . Close your com at the same time. points with us, all the same, contracts are concluded so that you do not pay us, and for 25 years you have such a freebie on these contracts.

            And what about the restructuring of the state debt of Belarus then you order to do? wassat "Understand ... Forgive"? laughing
            Quote: 1500014781401
            Right, block access to our products to your market in full.

            laughing What? Someone promised to marry? Business is nothing personal. Did you think that the topic of heavy platforms will forever be MAZ? According to the incorruptible statement Buttski - "They have neither the mind, nor the money," to make a centipede " laughing Well, Batsk was beaten off from KAMAZ, so now, somehow, yourself, without Chemezov, try to break through to the line of the defense budget of the Russian Federation, but now taking into account what they did at KAMAZ. But here I agree with the author
            But over the past two years, a whole series of publications has passed in the Russian press stating that the Russian Defense Ministry intends in the shortest possible time to abandon the use of Belarusian chassis as carriers of the latest PGRK. It was argued that these complexes would be located on the chassis of the Platform family developed by the Kama Automobile Plant. In the future, the machines of this family will go into service with all types and types of troops of Russia, and the Belarusian MZKT will lose Russian military orders.

            A number of representatives of the expert community began to discuss its consequences of this step for the Minsk plant, and for Belarus as a whole. But while the chassis of the family "Platform" is not accepted for service. So, mobile launchers of Belarusian production are still in demand.
            There is still a long way to the series, but a specific bell rang out and the Belarusians at MAZ need to listen to it very carefully and calculate various responses to anticipate, choose the right one and not delay implementation. Otherwise, in fact, all that remains is to whine about the fact that "we say the state"
            1. Conductor
              Conductor 21 February 2016 11: 54
              +5
              Eh, here I’m just eager for some again to nod in the topic about Belarus. It’s itching right in one place smile Under its “roof”, the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant of Russia will not be able to crush.

              "So far, development work is being carried out. KamAZ has been doing it for three years. The principle of" motor-wheel ", electric propulsion is used. So far, let's say, there are some problems, even a whole series. Our cooperation cannot produce a motor-wheel with the required characteristics." , - the specialist shared the information.

              It turns out that unsprung motor-wheels react very "negatively" to overcoming obstacles, which, one must assume, will have to be overcome by the chassis in combat conditions. Also, the electric transmission does not allow the platform to be masked at low temperatures - it cannot be turned off, since condensation begins to form on the windings of the electric motors, which leads to short circuits when turned on. The wheel motor is also sensitive to electromagnetic impulses.

              "This story will drag on for quite a long time. It is too early to talk about any" decisive step "in this direction. There are also questions about tires. Now, after all, it is required that the equipment be exclusively on Russian components, and there are a number of foreign components. it will be possible, at best, in five to six years to replace Belarusian special wheeled chassis and tractors with ours, "Murakhovsky summed up.

              Do not worry so, dear avt, as soon as KAMAZ reaches out and finally gives birth to a viable chassis, procurement will begin immediately and information blackmail will stop. In the meantime ... Order from MZKT :)
              1. Lex.
                Lex. 21 February 2016 19: 13
                +1
                Do not worry like that, dear avt, as soon as KAMAZ reaches out and finally gives birth to a viable chassis, procurement will immediately begin and information blackmail will stop
                Yeah said blind see
                MZKT - these chassis have been developing for 65 years and KAMAZ does not have its own school
            2. gjv
              gjv 21 February 2016 12: 50
              +6
              Quote: avt
              “They don’t have enough intelligence or money,“ to make a centipede. ” ... But here I agree with the author


              "Creeps" "centipede" then, Old Man!
              1. Conductor
                Conductor 21 February 2016 13: 25
                +3
                "Creeps" "centipede" then, Old Man!

                Putting quality on the conveyor (launching into a series) is completely different than creating a piece sample (I have nothing against KAMAZ, but all this dregs is more like trying to crush the white defense with your grabbing hands, like "if you don't ..., then we will get angry and then it will be ... ". By the way, cool videos about other MZKT products

              2. Hecate
                Hecate 21 February 2016 15: 00
                +1
                I heard on the news that there was a contract with the Belarusians for a certain time (I don’t remember now, until what year), after which the Belarusian tractors were gradually replaced with domestic Kamaz trucks.
          2. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 21 February 2016 15: 47
            +7
            But you have to ... Weather vane, not your ally Luka. Only on their own strengths must be counted. An example of Ukraine is evident.
          3. spravochnik
            spravochnik 22 February 2016 09: 51
            +3
            This is a Russian freebie. And Belarus receives little freebies from Russia. If everything is listed, there will be no room for other comments
        2. Archon
          Archon 21 February 2016 10: 12
          +8
          tractors in a very special case can be assembled both on KAMAZ and elsewhere. I am sure that if the task is set, it will be completed in a short time. and until then you can use the Belarusian ones - this is useful both for us and for them, since economic relations are a fairly strong thing.
          1. huginn
            huginn 21 February 2016 10: 45
            +5
            Already released on Kamaz! Yes, and the Bryansk BAZ should not be discounted.
            1. Lex.
              Lex. 21 February 2016 19: 18
              +1
              Already released on Kamaz! Yes, and the Bryansk BAZ should not be discounted.
              Oh, it’s not worth it only in Syria with the S-400 on Belarusian wheels
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 21 February 2016 09: 06
        +3
        Quote: novobranets
        First of all, he is for Belarus. It is his duty as president. Like Putin, Russia is in first place, and Nazarbayev is Kazakhstan. Everything else is secondary.

        It is his interests that make him rush about from side to side both ours and yours. As he was the chairman, he remained, if he is a strong business executive, then as a politician he is a hole in the bagel.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 21 February 2016 09: 45
          +4
          Quote: APASUS
          , if he is a strong business executive, then as a politician he is a donut hole.

          Maybe. But let's compare Belarus and the rest of the countries from the former USSR, in Belarus, in comparison with some, it is not so bad. And there are no ideal politicians.
        2. 1500014781401
          1500014781401 21 February 2016 10: 08
          +2
          And what do you have against the peasants? When I open the refrigerator, I am very grateful to them. Belarusian products, not imported ones, make up the range of our stores by 90%.
          If you did not declare trade wars on us, we would not look for other markets. You FORCED us to this. And when you finally face the truth and don't bury your head in the sand. Last week, China offered us a new, large project now in the field of agriculture. They give a very large loan for it, and agree to take the finished product. Does Russia have no alternative proposal? NO! And if not, we, in your expression, will continue to "rush" like that.
          1. avt
            avt 21 February 2016 17: 29
            +6
            Quote: 1500014781401
            . Last week, China offered us a new, large project now in the field of agriculture. Give a loan, a very large one for him, and agree to take the finished product. Does Russia have no alternative proposal? NO!

            There is and this is not my statement, but ..... of your Butsky! laughing En davecha drove to Sochi to ski with VVP and immediately after the descent he exclaimed - “Russia will help economically and financially.” Again, the old Russian logs of Belarus were kind of restructured for payments at a later time.
            Quote: 1500014781401
            And if not, we, in your expression, will continue to "rush" like that.

            I don't doubt a single gram! The “Belarusian economic miracle” has stood and will remain on thatlaughing But only the guys - the financial pyramid is not Egyptian made of stone. Ask Mavrodi - en will confirm for sure.
            Quote: guzik007
            x, whose "wheels" ensure the nuclear safety of our state.

            Soviet groundwork.
          2. turt
            turt 23 February 2016 06: 24
            0
            I support. everything is tasty and of high quality. yours go to us to trade. queues line up.
        3. guzik007
          guzik007 21 February 2016 10: 21
          0
          a business executive, then as a politician he is a donut hole.
          -------------------------------------------------
          Your famously penguin clawed on the clave: =) It was as you say. Old Man would not be a political long-liver. And so, he sat out all over, which speaks better of his mind. Rather than your conclusions.
          And by and large, a good article in order to remind the hotheads on the site accusing Lukashenka of all mortal sins, whose "wheels" ensure the nuclear safety of our state.
          The principle of sounding anything, but fulfill the obligations, no one has canceled. And Lukash strictly follows him; already only for this he is a plus.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 21 February 2016 18: 53
            +2
            Quote: guzik007
            Your famously penguin clawed on the clave: =) It was as you say. Old Man would not be a political long-liver. And so, he sat out all over, which speaks better of his mind. Rather than your conclusions.

            Old Man is a political centenarian - don't make me laugh! Under the modern system built by Lukashenko, his son will still sit in the President’s chair and you will all vote FOR!
      3. huginn
        huginn 21 February 2016 10: 43
        +3
        For myself? Did the example of Gaddafi, Hussein, Assad, Mubarak, Yanukovych teach anything? They also tried to flirt with the West, showing their "independence".
    3. Leprekon
      Leprekon 21 February 2016 09: 34
      +7
      Quote: eyvamin
      Old Man needs to decide who he is
      Judging by the absence of real "movement" over the past 16 years, bursts of trade "disagreements" and the well-known "independent" statements of Lukashenka, he is not only playing a double game, but also has his own views on revising the principles and tasks of the Union State! Maybe the policy of "sucking several heifers" is good for Lukashenka, Belarus and its citizens in general, there is a doubt that the same joyful mood is present in the party at whose expense this is being done!
    4. serverny
      serverny 21 February 2016 13: 42
      0
      First, let the Russian government decide for whom it is.

      And while the President shows the wonders of foreign policy and ensures the growth of patriotic sentiments, the economic bloc of the government continues to purposefully strangle the economy, fail import substitution (hello 92% of imported machines) and come up with new requisitions and taxes.
      At the same time, NOTHING is being done to stop the annual outflow of $ 100 billion offshore. Conclusion - the Russian government protects the interests of only oligarchs.
    5. Dam
      Dam 21 February 2016 14: 14
      +4
      And in my opinion we repeat a walk on a rake. Once Yuzhmash was a strategic partner, right? And what will we do if they get caught in Minsk? Again heroically import substitution?
    6. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 February 2016 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: eyvamin
      Old Man needs to decide who he is

      smile
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 February 2016 18: 21
        -1
        I wonder for whom the one that put the minus? wink
    7. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 February 2016 19: 32
      +3
      We need to decide this, so that later with a burning backside, not to run and tractors, not to import in emergency mode. Those. you have to do your own.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 22 February 2016 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: Observer 33
        We need to decide this, so that later with a burning backside, not to run and tractors, not to import in emergency mode.

        Usually these tractors do not change in emergency mode! And KAMAZ has a development.
    8. gergi
      gergi 21 February 2016 22: 03
      +1
      But father decided, he is for the great Lithuania. Not to be confused with Lithuania from the Baltic states. Flirts with local fascists and Natsik. Soon, next to Yanukovych, he will set a modest hut for himself, about six floors and with a golden toilet. If you manage to rush in time from a low start.
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    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 February 2016 09: 04
      +3
      And this is who you know ... Having burned yourself with milk, you blow water .. The moods there are different, especially in the Grodno region. Old Man is not eternal, well, he will give the reins of power to his son, and then there’s no one to know. To tie a whole direction in the industry to another country , even if it calls itself an ally, erroneously there should be a field for maneuver. Yes, and there should be competition, maybe we will do better.
  3. novobranets
    novobranets 21 February 2016 07: 52
    +6
    By placing orders in Belarus, Russia thereby confirms and strengthens good relations with its neighbor. Moreover, Belarusian mechanical engineers already have solid experience in the production of chassis for heavy vehicles. But this does not mean that you should not conduct your own development. The market is the market, if the Russian chassis is better and cheaper than Minsk, then the Minskers will either have to come up with something better, or be left without an order.
    1. Idiot
      Idiot April 5 2016 19: 15
      0
      For a long time, Russia strengthened good relations with Ukraine by purchasing turbines for ships. What is the guarantee that Belarusian machine builders will not follow the path of their good neighbors? Then what should Russia do?
    2. Idiot
      Idiot April 5 2016 19: 15
      0
      For a long time, Russia strengthened good relations with Ukraine by purchasing turbines for ships. What is the guarantee that Belarusian machine builders will not follow the path of their good neighbors? Then what should Russia do?
  4. plahish_alex
    plahish_alex 21 February 2016 08: 01
    +1
    And when it was released on the KZKT
  5. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 21 February 2016 08: 19
    +9
    Quote: aszzz888
    I think that relations in the defense industry between our countries will not reach what they are now with the ukronatsiks.

    Quote: novobranets
    But this does not mean that you should not conduct your own development. The market is the market, if the Russian chassis is better and cheaper than Minsk, then the Minskers will either have to come up with something better, or be left without an order.

    The events of recent years show that no one should be trusted unconditionally. It is necessary (not from a good life) to engage in import substitution, and to deploy new production facilities. Our life is like that.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 21 February 2016 08: 40
      +2
      Quote: LÄRZ
      . Our life is like that.

      Hope for God, but don’t be fooled.
      1. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 21 February 2016 13: 23
        +3
        Quote: novobranets
        Hope for God, but don’t be fooled.

        In-in. "If you want to do something well, do it yourself." No one has faith, relying only on their own strength. Yes, it is costly and expensive, but, unlike everyone else, we do not give a blow job to anyone.
  6. Warm Padded Jacket
    Warm Padded Jacket 21 February 2016 08: 30
    +5
    it’s time to do your tractors, otherwise Suddenly, gutting the dad will bite the dad, and he’ll cover his same schiz
    1. activator
      activator 21 February 2016 08: 53
      +4
      Quote: Warm Padded Jacket
      it’s time to do your tractors, otherwise Suddenly, gutting the dad will bite the dad, and he’ll cover his same schiz

      It is so only why KAMAZ? There is no attempt to create such machines yet until they eliminate childhood illnesses this time and not the fact that they will bring it to mind, and indeed why reinvent the wheel if there are bases. They have experience working out, the only thing they don’t have is a hairy paw that would push their interests through.
    2. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 21 February 2016 09: 31
      +6
      They are probably only for the sake of Belarus they are released a little.
      B.A.Z.
      1. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 21 February 2016 11: 46
        +4
        Tractors for Russian missiles are made in Minsk

        Everything related to defense should be done on the territory of Russia.
        Threat.
        In general, the header is a sky error. The author .....
        Russian
        spelled with two "WITH"
        1. UNFAMILIAR
          UNFAMILIAR 21 February 2016 19: 14
          -1
          Quote: Vladimir
          In general, the header is a sky error. The author .....
          Russian
          spelled with two "C"

          Yes, either SCROLL or RUSSIAN
  7. PKK
    PKK 21 February 2016 08: 38
    +5
    You need your own tractor in any case. And they make an updated "Pioneer", also because the old one worked flawlessly at all links. And now there is no need to fence a garden. Do it and go without any special tests. It was very reliable. Once the PU fell into a ditch, the spacer stalled, and the foreman on the launcher decided to go around the side of the road, the entire division gathered in a heap, the division commander reported: "com diva! The division is broken!" com diva in shock. They burst, only then they made a set for lifting. In the winter, a frost under -30. They lifted it, dragged it to the TRB, overloaded it and sent it to Kap Yar. There the locals shot it, flew into the count. The complex was very successful. Designer Nadiradze, Blessed memory of him, could not stand the meanness of Gorbachov and left us. The updated "Pioneer" will postpone the War for a long time.
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 21 February 2016 08: 55
    11
    Marine and aircraft engines were produced in Ukraine and no one thought that this country would become our enemy.
    Let Belarus produce what it produces for now, but we must also have a backup option. It is necessary to concentrate the production technology of the entire range of military equipment in Russia.
  9. dFG
    dFG 21 February 2016 09: 48
    +1
    Quote: activator
    Quote: Warm Padded Jacket
    it’s time to do your tractors, otherwise Suddenly, gutting the dad will bite the dad, and he’ll cover his same schiz

    It is so only why KAMAZ? There is no attempt to create such machines yet until they eliminate childhood illnesses this time and not the fact that they will bring it to mind, and indeed why reinvent the wheel if there are bases. They have experience working out, the only thing they don’t have is a hairy paw that would push their interests through.

    Kamaz in this case serves as a locomotive, makes the first pre-production samples and a set of fixtures and accessories, and there already transfer production even to Bryansk, even to Kurgan and in the light of this article, I would like to know the news on the Platform O project and preferably detailed, since the video the first samples in metal here were already a long time ago
    1. onix757
      onix757 22 February 2016 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: dfg
      Kamaz in this case serves as a locomotive, makes the first pre-production samples and a set of adaptations and equipment,

      Kamaz now only eats data and tries to assemble trucks from foreign components.
  10. hobot
    hobot 21 February 2016 09: 51
    +5
    There are obvious examples of Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltic states - an independent defense complex must be created.
    And then if the Old Man was thinking about a common future, he would give the green light to the deployment of the Russian air base.
    And since he leaves a loophole for independence, it will be a trap.
    Everyone is trying to play a dirty game, and the peoples are suffering.
    1. 1500014781401
      1500014781401 21 February 2016 10: 14
      -24 qualifying.
      After KRYMNASH Belarusians, not Lukashenko, rightly fear your air base. And what do you all nod at him? Before the election, the opposition representative on statements that he will not allow your base, we received a rating of 33%. And only when Lukashenko firmly stated that there would be no base, did we vote for him. We just do not want to repeat the fate of Ukraine. And further attempts to push this idea will cause further protests. So this is the opinion of us Belarusians. We just want a peaceful life on our LAND.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 21 February 2016 11: 33
        +6
        Quote: 1500014781401
        After KRYMNASH Belarusians, not Lukashenko, rightly fear your air base.

        I want to clarify. Are you also plotting a coup and deny the Russian language the right to exist? "Mosk ... ku on gilyaku", etc.? If yes, then the absence of a base will not help you, if not, then its presence does not threaten you with anything, only it will increase your defense capability. I'm not teasing, I really want to know your, Belarusians, considerations on this score.
        Quote: 1500014781401
        Before the election, the opposition representative on statements that he will not allow your base, we received a rating of 33%.
        Your opposition, and not only yours, any, will scream and increase tension for any reason, if only to raise the rating. This is the ABC. Is it worth paying attention to them, and casting their votes to trivial throats? hi
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      3. spravochnik
        spravochnik 22 February 2016 10: 47
        +2
        Quote: 1500014781401
        We just want a peaceful life on our LAND.

        Yes, God help you. Only here is how much more under such a policy it will remain YOUR. What, Ukraine does not teach anything?
  11. Yarik
    Yarik 21 February 2016 10: 05
    +1
    I do not see anything wrong with the fact that such a tractor will be done in Belarus. They are very responsible guys! I'm sure. that their technique will not fail. Kamaz does not have such platforms, so you should not reinvent the wheel, but invest in the development and production of other types of machines and mechanisms. Moreover, in the army there are a lot of types of obsolete equipment requiring replacement.
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 21 February 2016 21: 07
      +3
      Quote: Yarik
      I do not see anything wrong with the fact that such a tractor will be done in Belarus.

      No . In the light of recent events in the same Ukraine, we should have our OWN production so that we do not have to come up with yet another import substitution - and not depend on anyone else in the military sphere.
      P.S. I have nothing against Belarus, but where is the guarantee that tomorrow the next Nuland will not distribute cookies on the Minsk Maidan? recourse
  12. 31rus
    31rus 21 February 2016 10: 09
    -2
    Dear ones, besides Belarus, there is no one with Russia who leads a friendly policy with us, but how Russia behaves is the topic of more than one article, I will only say one thing, with such a policy it is possible to remain without allies at all, open your eyes and see behind the words " equal ", mutually beneficial" there is nothing, we Russia behave like the US and the EU, then we are indignant, as they do not want us, traitors
    1. rlanry
      rlanry 21 February 2016 19: 48
      +3
      No, unfortunately we are still far from the US and the EU in defending our interests ... Russia is too kind to the "brothers", forgiving and forgiving them too much, instead of mercilessly beating them for the slightest offense. This is the root cause of the constant betrayal of the so-called. fraternal peoples.
  13. Scud
    Scud 21 February 2016 11: 03
    +9
    Only facts. Lukashenko did not recognize Ossetia and Crimea, which means he spat on Russia. And the fact that he kisses in a hickey with the murderer of Proshenko and officially promises to help dill in everything. Is that so? Just yesterday, documentary films shot by Belarusians in Ukraine about the glorious feat of the Belarusian Zhizhevsky, who was killed on the maydaun and, moreover, on his own, were broadcast on the Ukrop TV. The film was shot for Belarus, in the end of the film Belarusian !!! the sculptor sculpts the statue of the hero. Draw a conclusion.
    1. onix757
      onix757 22 February 2016 10: 51
      +1
      Quote: scud
      Only facts. Lukashenko did not recognize Ossetia and Crimea, which means he spat on Russia. And the fact that he kisses in a hickey with the murderer of Giblets and officially promises to help dill in everything.

      And why should he be guided by the whims of the Russian Federation and not by his national interests. It’s in the interests of the Old Man to build a strong, industrially developed social state, and these interests do not at all coincide with the ideas of the elites of the Russian Federation.
      You put a picture of Putin-Poroshenko, Putin-Yeltsin Center, Putin-Katyn, or do you find yourself?
  14. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 21 February 2016 11: 19
    +6
    The Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant is a unique production that has been sharpened for specific tasks since the 1960s. Currently, the equipment of manufactured tractors includes at least 90-95% of the components produced in Belarus and Russia. Especially for this, Belarusians bought turnkey special manufactures abroad. The reliability of Belarusian technology in this segment is once again confirmed by the situation in Syria. The S-400 complex delivered to Syria is equipped with self-propelled launchers (SPU) on the Minsk special MAZ-543M wheeled chassis (MAZ / MZKT-7310), although the BAZ-64022 chassis of the Bryansk Automobile Plant is already being tested in Russia. But it turned out - that the Belarusian in conditions as close as possible to the military - more reliable and more mobile. Modern modifications of this chassis are not inferior to tracked ones and can successfully carry out combat missions in the most difficult off-road conditions. Numerous tests and actual operation in various climatic and road conditions have shown excellent dynamic qualities and high reliability of the "Hurricanes" (these cars received the nickname from drivers).
    Among them - launchers, antenna posts and control cabins S-300PS / PM and S-400 Triumph; SPU 9A52 multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) 9K58 "Smerch"; SPU 3P51 of the mobile coastal anti-ship complex 4K51 Rubezh; vehicles of the A-222 Shore artillery complex, CPU of RK-55 cruise missiles; anti-missile transport vehicles 53T6 Amur.
    On the MZKT chassis, in particular, mobile command posts and escort vehicles of mobile soil missile systems (PGRK) RS-12M "Topol" were built.
    The chassis of the MZKT-7930 8x8 wheel formula is designed for mounting weapons and military equipment with a gross weight of 22, 24 and 25 tons, transporting it on all types of roads and terrain, and ensuring combat use. This model surpasses previously developed models (including MAZ-543) in terms of load capacity, maximum speed, engine life, versatility of use and other characteristics.
    In addition to the Iskander OTRK launcher, today, in particular, the transport-loading machine (TZM) of this complex is mounted on the MZKT-7930; combat and transport vehicles MLRS "Hurricane-1"; Topol-M strategic missile support vehicle; S-400 radar station; SPU and TZM anti-ship coastal missile systems "Bal-E", "Bastion", "Club-M"; Bridge-laying machine ТММ-6 “Caterpillar-2”.
    The most load-lifting chassis of the MZKT-79221 (16x16) is adapted for mounting launchers and transport vehicles of the Russian Topol-M and Yars PGRK, transporting them on all types of roads and explored terrain, and ensuring combat use.
    1. spravochnik
      spravochnik 22 February 2016 10: 55
      +1
      This is what you need. All this is already known. The question is what will happen to the above in light of the latest movements of Butsky.
  15. Old26
    Old26 21 February 2016 11: 56
    +4
    The article put a minus. Where the author speaks of tractors - even more less, although also not without mistakes. Where he starts talking about rockets - no comment.

    As for the factories. Do not forget that in the USSR, and later in Russia, each plant specialized in the same chassis with different load capacities. In particular, the BAZ was engaged in the chassis on which weapons systems with a total lifting capacity of up to 40 tons were mounted (with the formula 12x12).
    Kurgan was engaged in EMNIP truck tractors, which transported equipment. As far as I remember, weapons systems on Kurgan cars were not mounted. And as far as I remember, in mid-2011 the plant was declared bankrupt. Whether it exists now is unknown, but the fact is that it does not participate in tenders of the Moscow Region.
    KAMAZ now wants to bite off the "cous", having developed a whole line of vehicles of all carrying capacity. The desire is most likely not only to move the Minsk plant, but also the Bryansk plant. Only time will tell what these chassis will be in terms of quality. While they are just being tested. And the factory, not the military.
  16. iouris
    iouris 21 February 2016 12: 18
    +2
    What does the word "Russian" mean in the title?
  17. sancho16
    sancho16 21 February 2016 12: 20
    0
    Old Man needs to decide who he is

    And why Old Man should be for someone other than Belarus.
    And tell me who Putin is for? If he has an attitude towards Belarus as a rector.
    Sugar wars, give sugar refineries to the market.
    Dairy war, give dairy plants, let me go to your market.
    Then machine-building, petrochemical and now military plants deprived of access to
    Rossoboronzakazu-give military factories.
    And it turns out, Old Man is a beggar and a traitor, only gangster Petersburg
    Angel in the flesh.
  18. da Vinci
    da Vinci 21 February 2016 13: 41
    0
    Schaub father for jamon is not for sale! wink
  19. serverny
    serverny 21 February 2016 13: 45
    +2
    Quote: gjv
    "Creeps" "centipede" then, Old Man!

    KAMAZ is very specific in "import substitution" - I would not be surprised if this tractor also has 50% of imports from NATO friends.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 21 February 2016 14: 13
      +3
      The Belarusians are great and make heavy wheeled vehicles at the highest technological level. I hope they will continue to be the same reliable suppliers of it for our army. And even better (purely my opinion) that in the future Belarus would become a part of one (single) state along with Russia.
      But as they say, Minsk is already attacking not only such industrialized countries as ours, but also China, for example, which supplies chassis for long-range missiles of the DPRK, although before that almost all of its missiles were based on the chassis of the Minsk MAZ.

      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 21 February 2016 20: 35
        +2
        This is not a purely Chinese development. This is a development that Belarusians donated to China in a joint venture built in China. And now the Chinese copier stamps wheeled chassis under its own brand and distributes it to the entire Southeast Asian market.
        At the end of March 2010, an agreement was signed on the transfer to China of automatic transmission technology, which can be installed on modifications of the Chinese heavy chassis with a wheel formula of 12 × 12 and 16 × 16. According to Kanwa, the Chinese DF31A ICBM, the DF21C medium-range missile, the CJ10 cruise missiles and the DF11 ballistic missile use the heavy WS chassis of the Sanjian Group. (Note: Missile technology: Also, the WS chassis is used for Chinese long-range MLRS). In 1998, a joint venture Sanjian-Volat (Sanjiang-Volat) was established in China with the participation of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant to manufacture heavy-duty chassis for the needs of the mining and forestry industries in China, as well as agriculture with an annual production volume of about 300 cars.

        During the first five years of operation, the joint venture was supposed to supply 70% of all components to the MZKT, in the future it was planned to reduce the share of Belarusian parts to 30%. According to some reports, the Chinese quickly mastered Belarusian technologies and, as a result, practically abandoned imported components.
  20. serverny
    serverny 21 February 2016 13: 53
    +3
    Quote: scud
    Just the facts.

    With the full support of the Government of the Russian Federation, the Russian oligarchs, through political and economic blackmail (closing access to the Russian market under far-fetched pretexts) squeeze one industry after another for nothing.
    Quote: scud
    Draw a conclusion.

    PS Localization of MZKT production is 90-95%, while KAMAZ repeatedly offers the defense industry equipment up to 50% imported. This is normal "import substitution for suckers / cutting public funds." Your local oligarchs have already spent billions on "import substitution" of Sphere-B satellites, which cannot be put into orbit as a result of excess weight. But this is normal - they will be given 15 billion more for development. And local chauvinists, jingoistic patriots, will continue to humiliate Belarus and look at the specks in other people's eyes.
    1. shans2
      shans2 21 February 2016 14: 46
      +1
      For the military defense industry, everything should be done only in Russia, that’s the point. That Belarus will become part of Russia, another thing .....
    2. co-creator
      co-creator 21 February 2016 19: 50
      +3
      Quote: serverny
      With the full support of the Government of the Russian Federation, the Russian oligarchs, through political and economic blackmail (closing access to the Russian market under far-fetched pretexts) squeeze one industry after another for nothing.

      Make a joint venture and all with a controlling stake in you. So the whole world does and no one cries. If you can, then promote products to other markets, if you can’t, then make concessions to us. By the way, in order to enter the EU market, you need to comply with their standards, and this actually leads to a joint venture.
    3. Raven1972
      Raven1972 21 February 2016 22: 13
      +4
      Quote: serverny
      And the local chauvinists of the cheers-patriots will continue to humiliate Belarus and look at the specks in the eyes of others.

      Quote: serverny
      Your local oligarchs have already spent billions on "import substitution" of the Sphere-B satellites, which, as a result of excess weight, cannot be put into orbit. But this is normal - they will be given 15 billion more for development.

      And who is looking for specks, eh?
      No one is going to humiliate you except yourself, but we just have everything: what is hi - this is the answer hi Determine yourself already, and here we are allied, and here we are independent, this is what causes our response to YOUR actions, and not the desire to humiliate anyone at all hi
    4. spravochnik
      spravochnik 22 February 2016 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: serverny
      And the local chauvinists of the cheers-patriots will continue to humiliate Belarus and look at the specks in the eyes of others.

      Nothing humiliates Belarus as much as the weather vane policy pursued by Butskaya
  21. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 February 2016 14: 31
    +2
    Tractors for Russian missiles are made in Minsk

    Soon they will do in Kamaz.
  22. 31rus
    31rus 21 February 2016 15: 00
    +1
    Dear, Belarus is not an independent state, suppose tomorrow Lukashenko holds a referendum on joining the EU and NATO, people vote for, I wonder what you write then, and they have every right
  23. bed111
    21 February 2016 15: 12
    +3
    Quote: 31rus
    Dear, Belarus is not an independent state, suppose tomorrow Lukashenko holds a referendum on joining the EU and NATO, people vote for, I wonder what you write then, and they have every right


    He can not. Opposition from him then will tear off three skins, immediately the demonstrations will go, actions of protest, cookies ... But he will not be able to resist the opposition, to plant them, as now - America will not allow. We'll have to make excuses for killing friends in his youth. Begin with investigations, witnesses. Find out where he stole lately. Well, there will be no hiding, the European Commission, Euro-investigators, Euro-checks will go everywhere. Find all his accounts, freeze. And there is not far to The Hague.

    Without Russia, it is the end. And him and his clan. Both figuratively and physically.
  24. Old26
    Old26 21 February 2016 16: 38
    +1
    Quote: Jurkovs
    Soon they will do in Kamaz.

    Not soon. At the end of the last move, they showed a video from the chassis, moreover on the asphalt, and what, everyone already thinks that KAMAZ is ready to push Minsk away? Guys. His couple of years are driven to the factory tests. Then, if the tests satisfy the military, they will make a couple of samples for conducting military tests. And only after state tests MAY BE accepted into service. Or maybe they won’t. It is not known which jambs will come out during the test period. Moreover, the experience of heavy vehicles, like the MZKT, KAMAZ simply does not.
    so no earlier than the year 2020. In the meantime, there will be Minsk cars
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 21 February 2016 22: 19
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Not soon. At the end of the last move we showed a video from the chassis, and on the asphalt,

      Vladimir hi It showed them at the end of last year, and when they were made? Maybe tests have been going on for about 5 years? wink We weren’t told about this yes We know how to hide something from prying eyes better than anyone in the world (when necessary), but you yourself know wink
  25. Yak28
    Yak28 21 February 2016 18: 21
    +1
    Belarus, like Ukraine, is not a reliable country, today it’s with us, and you’ll see tomorrow, and the USA has already settled in its ass. I would have trusted Israel or some other Zimbabwe more than the countries of the post-Soviet space.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 21 February 2016 19: 49
      -2
      Dear, and not immediately the United States, this is the same partner, but it’s not a task that they don’t need you, you probably heard the saying of friends don’t choose
    2. onix757
      onix757 22 February 2016 10: 59
      -2
      Quote: Yak28
      Belarus, like Ukraine, is not a reliable country, today with us,

      Is the type of RF reliable? neither the desire nor the ability to defend the Russians and their interests.
  26. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 21 February 2016 19: 55
    0
    on kamaz it is necessary to develop the issue of shasi
  27. Yak28
    Yak28 21 February 2016 21: 02
    +2
    Quote: 31rus
    friends do not choose

    That's just the choice of friends should be treated very carefully wink
  28. Rubon
    Rubon 21 February 2016 21: 12
    +4
    Old Man is not eternal, and it’s better to develop your tractors! Who will say what will happen after the Old Man, who will give guarantees that there is no new Ukraine with kooky? bully
    1. onix757
      onix757 22 February 2016 10: 58
      0
      Quote: Rubon
      Old Man is not eternal, and it’s better to develop your tractors! Who will say what will happen after the Old Man, who will give guarantees that there is no new Ukraine with kooky?

      It depends on what the Russian Federation can offer. If we are attractive in terms of progress / economy / social, all modes will be drawn to us.
      Threat of the Russian Federation can’t do it now, large automotive projects with a high degree of localization. Bases would not be completely destroyed, and thanks for that.
  29. Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 23 February 2016 00: 52
    0
    Quote: Rubon
    Old Man is not eternal, and it’s better to develop your tractors! Who will say what will happen after the Old Man, who will give guarantees that there is no new Ukraine with kooky? bully

    And who will give guarantees that after Kadyrov there will be no new Dudaev and after Putin a new Yeltsin. You would have healed your paranoid head, you see, and the new Ukraine did not imagine.
  30. Olegi1
    Olegi1 24 February 2016 02: 31
    0
    Quote: 1500014781401
    And what do you have against the peasants? When I open the refrigerator, I am very grateful to them. Belarusian products, not imported ones, make up the range of our stores by 90%.
    If you did not declare trade wars on us, we would not look for other markets. You FORCED us to this. And when you finally face the truth and don't bury your head in the sand. Last week, China offered us a new, large project now in the field of agriculture. They give a very large loan for it, and agree to take the finished product. Does Russia have no alternative proposal? NO! And if not, we, in your expression, will continue to "rush" like that.


    Personally, I have nothing against and will not have. IMHO, we need to develop it. By the way, even in Moscow, shops with the signboard "Belarusian goods" began to appear in large numbers, there are no Belarusian shrimps. wink

    What does this mean - we are in confidence in Belarusian goods. I myself, for a long time, have been buying, guys from Belarus come, purely entrepreneurs. In Zaoksky, I have a summer residence there, now it’s not about Moscow. At first, the guys stood purely in the market, now they have already opened a store. And dofiga buyers! And who is against it? Does anyone oppose, on the contrary, all for! And with bureaucrats who arrange trade wars, you just need to figure it out.

    And what if the Old Man does not weave, whatever our bureaucrats do - take one thing for granted: Belarusians are not our brothers or "partners", we are one people!

    PS: Nail me our flag tightly, if possible. And then, then I'm from the States, then still from somewhere. Browser Features :)