Mass media: in the course of modernization, “Peter the Great” will receive “Zircon” missiles

Missile cruiser "Peter the Great" in the course planned for the 2019-2022. modernization will receive hypersonic anti-ship missiles "Zircon", reports Look with reference to tass.

“Peter the Great” will start repairs in the third quarter or the end of 2019. It is planned that the repair and modernization will be completed at the end of 2022 of the year, ”a source said.

“In the course of this work, the cruiser will receive the hypersonic anti-ship Zircon anti-ship missiles. At the moment, the missiles are undergoing flight design state tests, the results of which will result in a decision on their acceptance for service, ”he added.

According to another source in the shipbuilding industry, “the cruiser will be equipped with ten launchers 3С-14, which will be able to receive Onyx, Caliber and Zircon missiles”.

The agency notes that there is a 2 version of such installations - under 4 and under 8 missiles. What exactly will be equipped with a cruiser, the source did not specify.

Military expert Igor Korotchenko, in turn, noted that the armament of "Peter the Great" with new missiles "will give new combat properties, increase the survivability and fire capabilities of this ship, as well as expand the range of tasks performed at various maritime theaters of military operations."

To date, the characteristics of "Zircon" are secret. According to data from open sources, the range of the rocket can be about 400 km, and its speed will be 5 times the speed of sound.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

Wow, breathtaking! Power.

[Pravdarm]

To date, the characteristics of Zircon are secret. range ... 400 km, and its speed will be 5 times the speed of sound.

That's cool! Pyotr Alekseevich is surely happy and proud, looking from above!

[Dam]

Orlan is just handsome. The power of the Soviet military-industrial complex

[umah]

According to another source in the shipbuilding industry, "the cruiser will be equipped with ten 3C-14 launchers, which will be able to receive missiles" Onyx "," Caliber "and" Zircon "

Very strange, there are 8 launchers on the Gepard and Buyan-M. Why is a healthy cruiser so deprived? In terms of size, 40 launchers will easily enter there ...

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: umah

According to another source in the shipbuilding industry, "the cruiser will be equipped with ten 3C-14 launchers, which will be able to receive missiles" Onyx "," Caliber "and" Zircon "

Very strange, there are 8 launchers on the Gepard and Buyan-M. Why is a healthy cruiser so deprived? In terms of size, 40 launchers will easily enter there ...

The agency notes that there is a 2 version of such installations - under 4 and under 8 missiles. What exactly will be equipped with a cruiser, the source did not specify.
That is, 4 times ten or 8 times ten. In one cell there are several missiles.

[11 black]

Quote: umah

Very strange, there are 8 launchers on the Gepard and Buyan-M. Why is a healthy cruiser so deprived? In terms of size, 40 launchers will easily enter there ...

You confuse UKKS and cells. On Buyan 1 UKKS on 8 cells. On Orlan there will be 10 UKKS on 4 or 8 cells each

[Kent0001]

I agree ..... and the speed of 5 MAXs is really cool!

[ver_]

..Peter = Isakiy ... Why the hell will these galoshes be needed in '22 - too noticeable and expensive target and a very large bunch of people ..

[tol100v]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Wow, breathtaking! Power.

And it seems to me that POWER is when the product is delivered to the troops! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

[Inok10]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: Mavrikiy

Wow, breathtaking! Power.

And it seems to me that POWER is when the product is delivered to the troops! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

... I agree ... but here is an interesting point ... used as I understand the standard UKSK ... that is, any ship with which it is equipped can be the carrier of the Zircon ... even the same MRK Buyan M ... I wonder what else up our sleeve did we have in store ...
on "Zircon":
Launching equipment - 11442M-3 missiles from the universal vertical launching launcher UVPU 22С-3-14М are supposed to be used on the upgraded missile cruiser of 11442M pr.
Control system and guidance:
In 2011, NPO Granit-Electron developed a draft design for the creation of an autopilot and inertial navigation system (SAIN) for the 3M22 product (source - Annual report of NPO Granit-Electron for 2011). In 2012, the "Granit-Electron" concern was developing working design documentation and control equipment for the 3M22 anti-ship missile complex (source - the Annual report of the "Concern" Granit-Electron "OJSC).
The development of control system devices (at least gyroscopic devices) is carried out by NPO Electromechanics (Miass, see - Annual report of JSC NPO Electromechanics for 2011). During 2012, NPO Electromechanics planned to carry out works on the "Zircon" theme.
Draft projects of equipment on the themes "Zircon-S-ARK" and "Zirkon-S-RV" were carried out by the structural unit of KTVR - UPKB "Detail" and reviewed in 2011. Probably, we are talking about radio altimeters used in the missile control system (source) ...
Engines: probably the starting solid propellant rocket engine and march ramjet.
The development of the engine is probably carried out by department 08 "NPO Mashnostroyeniye". As of 2009-2010, together with the Orion design bureau, a power plant with a ramjet engine is being tested "for a foreign customer" - presumably for the BrahMos-II rocket. In 2009, successful firing tests of engines were carried out.
... range 800-1000 km. ...

[Outside]

Uh-huh. "Seems to me, gentlemen, that this is a comedy" (c)
About Caliber, they also said that for 300 km, they say range. And then they both wandered for 1500 ...
5 Mach is, for a minute, one and a half kilometers per second. 1000 km fly by in a minute. And with our secrecy, where a thousand, there are three

[severyanin]

Quote: Inok10

... I agree ... but here is an interesting point ... used as I understand the standard UKSK ... that is, any ship with which it is equipped can be the carrier of the Zircon ... even the same MRK Buyan M ... I wonder what else up our sleeve did we have in store ...
on "Zircon":
Launching equipment - 11442M-3 missiles from the universal vertical launching launcher UVPU 22С-3-14М are supposed to be used on the upgraded missile cruiser of 11442M pr.
Control system and guidance:
In 2011, NPO Granit-Electron developed a draft design for the creation of an autopilot and inertial navigation system (SAIN) for the 3M22 product (source - Annual report of NPO Granit-Electron for 2011). In 2012, the "Granit-Electron" concern was developing working design documentation and control equipment for the 3M22 anti-ship missile complex (source - the Annual report of the "Concern" Granit-Electron "OJSC).
The development of control system devices (at least gyroscopic devices) is carried out by NPO Electromechanics (Miass, see - Annual report of JSC NPO Electromechanics for 2011). During 2012, NPO Electromechanics planned to carry out works on the "Zircon" theme.
Draft projects of equipment on the themes "Zircon-S-ARK" and "Zirkon-S-RV" were carried out by the structural unit of KTVR - UPKB "Detail" and reviewed in 2011. Probably, we are talking about radio altimeters used in the missile control system (source) ...
Engines: probably the starting solid propellant rocket engine and march ramjet.
The development of the engine is probably carried out by department 08 "NPO Mashnostroyeniye". As of 2009-2010, together with the Orion design bureau, a power plant with a ramjet engine is being tested "for a foreign customer" - presumably for the BrahMos-II rocket. In 2009, successful firing tests of engines were carried out.
... range 800-1000 km. ...

Monk, have you seen the Soviet poster - "Chatterbox-find for a spy"? See, add more here How were the NEBOs going to - calculate by IP?

[Inok10]

Quote: severyanin

Monk, have you seen the Soviet poster - "Chatterbox-find for a spy"? Look, you add it here. How were the NON-brothers going to calculate by IP?

... I’m a scoop, from brain to bones ... you + ... if tomorrow the State Department holds a briefing and refers to the Military Review as a source of information ... I think a resource led by the Administration for a month will go binge for joy ... ... and, if the CIA, the NSA, and others like them ... got our jamshuts to declare, as native speakers, to conduct work ... then I’m calm ... ... all that I have listed is simply in the public domain ...

[Scout]

I join

[Temples]

5 Mach is, for a minute, one and a half kilometers per second. 1000 km flies in a minute.

Et you gave a blunder.
This is already 50 mach.
But what if??? Secret development after all !!!
Sneezed in Europe, and we will deliver them a handkerchief in a couple of minutes Zircon.

[ver_]

... they scared the hedgehog ..., I generally have a feeling that this site is curated by Israel ..and .. how painfully they react to some expressions ...- delete, issue warnings ..

[Pauls_77]

Good day to all. Sorry, but with mathematics, something is not like that. 1,5 km. multiply by 60 sec per second. it turns out only 90 kilometers.

[stas52]

Pauls_77
multiply by 60, then get the speed of 5400km / hour

[Poppy]

it’s just that you need a lot of fuel to fly at such a speed, I think their range is limited

[kapitan281271]

The gauge in the RCC version at supersonic yes 300km for stationary targets, subsonic and range up to 2500km the ax has actually similar characteristics

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Vanko

1000 km fly by in a minute. And with our secrecy, where a thousand, there are three wink

And how much fuel is needed and what size will the rocket be?

[CokeJI]

in order to develop such a speed, you need sooo much fuel, so the range will suffer

[aviator_IAS]

So there are several calibers of calibers, with different purposes, with different flight profiles, and different flight speeds and warheads. So speaking of 300km, I meant a specific missile in the RCC variant. Even the judiciary of the name, they fly much further.

[Olegi1]

Respect to the author, I'm not at all aware of this topic. Can we delete it?

Not only do we read the forum ... Or leave, let them be afraid?

[11 black]

Quote: Inok10

... I agree ... but here is an interesting point ... used as I understand the standard UKSK ... that is, any ship with which it is equipped can be the carrier of the Zircon ... even the same MRK Buyan M ... I wonder what else up our sleeve we have in store ... laughing

Moreover - all as expected - Tu160М2 of course will be the carriers of these missiles. So with the adoption of Zircon in the air, the American AUGs lose the title of master of the seas!
In addition, an air start is good at an initial speed of 2000km-h and a height of 5-10km, that is, the rocket does not need to gain altitude and it starts at a good starting speed, but it is + 100-150 km to the range ... which means the air variant will fly at 500-550 km - class

[xtur]

> Moreover - everything is as expected - the Tu160M2 will of course carry these missiles. This means that with the adoption of the Zircon in the air performance, the American AUGs lose the title of masters of the seas!

for the Tu-160, even 1000km is too close a distance, the risk is too great. such a distance is just right for the Tu-22 *, kmk

[serverny]

Quote: 11 black

and this is + 100-150 km to range

An air launch is a much bigger bonus to range.
As for the Russian Federation and the United States, the ALCMs fly 2-2.5 times farther than sea-based analogues.

[bulvas]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: Mavrikiy

Wow, breathtaking! Power.

And it seems to me that POWER is when the product is delivered to the troops! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

And it seems to me that this is an element of the information war

Either they will put, or they are already standing somewhere, or the "strongest fleets" of the world need to urgently think about something and allocate money for new developments against these missiles ...


disguise and disinformation, disinformation and disguise

To date, the characteristics of "Zircon" are secret. According to data from open sources, the range of the rocket can be about 400 km, and its speed will be 5 times the speed of sound.

- This is a bolt from the blue for NATO admirals, there is no way to intercept these missiles

[aba]

And protocols of intent cannot be power!

In my opinion, state tests are not a protocol of intent, a protocol of intent is more a technical task. And there is hope that the state tests will end, I think positively.

[tilovaykrisa]

+100500, it is not yet known whether zircon will be accepted or not, the dates are what 6 years, it is still not known what will happen during this time, the yankers are miserable and those aircraft carriers with 0 are building faster.

[lelikas]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

+100500, it is not yet known whether zircon will be accepted or not, the dates are what 6 years, it is still not known what will happen during this time, the yankers are miserable and those aircraft carriers with 0 are building faster.

In the first - not miserable, but some of the best shipbuilders, in the second - not three years, but six years, and together with the training - almost nine.
Well, about "Zircon" - we won't know anything anyway, even after 6 years.

[Homo]

Quote: Tol100v

And it seems to me that POWER is when the product is delivered to the troops! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

And it seems to me that patriotism is pride for the missiles installed and for scientific developments and for the intentions to arm themselves with advanced weapons! And pride "in fact" is commercialism. There will be rockets - I will love the Motherland, there will be no rockets - I will not love!

[VP]

Delivery to the troops is the end.
The most difficult are those stages that precede the end.
Elaboration of competent TK, analysis of problems to be faced, comprehension of one’s own and other’s experience on similar problems, development of a design decision, creation of preliminary designs, coordinated work of groups in areas (engine, control systems, materials scientists, etc.), experimental design, testing at different stages, making changes, the work of technologists, delivery to the customer. And only then only mass production. All hemorrhoids to this stage, it is the previous stages that determine what and with what parameters the troops will ultimately receive - Uberwaflu or a little useful rattle.
Judging by what has been announced about flight tests, something turns out and this "something" inspires optimism, the product has the prospect of being put into service. Otherwise, they would be silent and would not announce the date.
And the toy, if it grows together, will be extremely dangerous - the RIM-162 ESSM will not be able to work on it, the phalanx too - it’s hard to knock down the piece of iron flying into you almost ten times faster than a bullet.

[derik1970]

Eh, you cut such a fountain from hats, almost threw the adversary. Although, however, in the future the situation improved, and it started off on the thumb - all opinions such as how likely it may be - super analysis continues. I believe how it will be so let it be, God help you, it is still unknown who will be in power in the country in 2022 ...

[Vladimyrych]

Definitely! Moreover, the same cries about "Zircon" were first heard by "Admiral Nakhimov". There won't be any "Zircons". Calm down already.

[Malachite]

Our "Kulibins", as always, are on top! Hopefully these hypersonic anti-ship missiles Zircon will soon be tested in the Mediterranean and so on.

[Talgat]

This is good, at least you get an advantage and "invulnerability" from any surface enemy - the air defense of the cruiser will probably be designed for a massive attack of anti-ship missiles - but the enemy is unlikely to repel hypersonic anti-ship missiles

It remains only to guard against the AUG and submarines

[dauria]

It remains only to guard against the AUG and submarines

But the "weaving" of Sukhoi was designed for such a racket to hit the AUG.
That racket is already there, but the plane already no. Really sorry ...

[11 black]

Quote: dauria

But the "weaving" of Sukhoi was designed for such a racket to hit the AUG.
That racket is already there, but the plane is gone. Really sorry ...

Tu160 is great
For the rest, I agree - even the 10 Tu160 is a salvo of 120 missiles - there are only chips from the AUG, the air defense of the ships will not get it, and the low-power GOS fighter missiles will be crushed by the electronic warfare system.
Tu160 is capable of both a "dagger" attack at a speed of 2000 km / h (it's a joke, but the Penguin can't catch up with it without afterburner, and on afterburner, too, because of the consumption of kerosene ...) water at subsonic level (the possibility of flying on a PMV with a rounding of the relief was originally), the range of 20 km allows you to control half of the world's oceans, and the Container radar (30B14000) will lead them (aircraft) to attack between enemy patrols - an ideal AUG killer.
Oh, if only everything worked out!
PS - could not resist - but the photo is fire! - just as if he had launched an attack on the AUG - handsome!

[Denis Obukhov]

By then, America will collapse from overheating, you don’t have to go to the grandmother. That Rogozin will stockpile missiles and worry that he did not have time to gasp over the hegemon.

[bulvas]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Comrade Rogozin will stockpile missiles and worry that he did not have time to gasp over the hegemon.

and not only him

[PKK]

In the 2019 year it will be for repair and modification, what will remain of the cruiser after the 4 World War.

[Kasym]

The caliber flies 2,5 tons km (well, let's say), and a similar in size anti-ship missile "Zircon" (once a universal container) is 400 km.? Something doesn't fit. It can be assumed that she is constantly flying on hypersound. But I don't see the point, tk. can fly at low altitudes (judging by the Caliber). Therefore, the range, in my opinion, is probably about 1 - 1,5 t.km.
Rather, a range of 400 km. for export options.

[Nord2015]

Quote: Kasym

Rather, a range of 400 km. for export options.

Here is the thing. The Caliber rocket flies along a fixed ground target with coordinates known in advance, and the RCC flies along a moving ship that can still make various evolutions along the course. Guidance is completely different and 2500 km here is completely unacceptable. What exactly the range of Zircon for us will remain a mystery, most likely, for a long time to come.

[Kasym]

Nord2015. I understand it. We are talking about the stock of fuel. And you correctly noticed about maneuvering. At hypersonic, this is hard to do. It makes sense incl. this mode is approaching, 50-70km to the target (or maybe even less). There is a dynamic impact (force equals mass for acceleration). And I don’t think that I need 500kg. filling. The sides of the ships are not armored. And the explosion is even 250 kg. with fragments already decently. Of course, not an engineer, so I don’t know how it is possible to cut hyper-speed with subsonic. And what rocket design should be, what engines. Therefore, I removed the range from the caliber of 2,5 t.km (surrenders, which is more) half - for hypersound it is clear the fuel needs more. Of course, the guidance head (system) must be considered more difficult, and therefore harder.
The previous comment is my guess, nothing more. How can this be argued? But since the launch containers are universal, then the size of the missiles should be approximately the same.

[xtur]

> RCC flies on a moving ship, which can still make various evolutions along the course. Guidance is completely different

1000km at 5M in 10 minutes. During this time, the ship will depart a maximum of 3 miles.
there are already two options to choose from:
1) It is enough to provide for the exchange of data between missiles in flight, and initially launch them with a divergence, covering possible directions of the ship.
2) a rather weak AGSN, therefore there will be enough space for fuel.

In both cases, it is possible to have a lot of fuel on board, and you need to implement the best option

Even I, as a layman, can see that speed is seriously changing the conditions of the problem.

[Kuzyakin15]

Quote: Kasym

The caliber flies 2,5 tons km (well, let's say), and a similar in size anti-ship missile "Zircon" (once a universal container) is 400 km.? Something doesn't fit. It can be assumed that she is constantly flying on hypersound. But I don't see the point, tk. can fly at low altitudes (judging by the Caliber). Therefore, the range, in my opinion, is probably about 1 - 1,5 t.km.
Rather, a range of 400 km. for export options.

At 2,5 thousand km. Caliber in the option of shooting along the coast, at a stationary target. SCRC Caliber range up to 300km.
Something like mine, dear.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Kasym

It can be assumed that she constantly flies in hypersound.

Well, if you put forward flow, it will be so, and other engines are designed for a long range. As if the law of nature, you go quieter, you will continue, you will eat less fuel

[VP]

Why fly a contraceptor for a thousand or two?
She will have to aim almost all the time to constantly highlight a moving target.
As long as the same Caliber daughters for these 2500 km, the AUG at thirty nodes during its flight can fall a hundred kilometers.
That is why the Caliber in the anti-ship version has a radius much smaller than in the version for work on ground objects.

[Outside]

The declared speed is 5 Machs. It is 1600 km / min. for 300 km he will just have time to accelerate. It seems to me that she will be able to work at 2500 km, beyond the reach of the enemy’s response. If so, it would be cool.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vanko

The declared speed is 5 Machs. It is 1600 km / min

Actually 1 Mach ~ 1200 km / h
Therefore, 5 max-6000 km \ h (~ 100 km \ min) well, there it will take some time to accelerate

Quote: Kasym

But it will be cheaper to run 3 Caliber than one Zircon

The lower the speed, the higher the probability of interception.
And then, why are you sure that the direct-flow engine is much more expensive than a turbojet?
- A ramjet engine (ramjet, the English term - Ramjet) - a jet engine, is the simplest in the class of jet engines (WFD) for the device

[Kasym]

V.P. Here the radius of action of air. groupings on aircraft carriers. It is advisable to attack the AUG without entering the affected area. Therefore, the Chinese make ballistic anti-ship.
I agree that the radius is smaller. The goal, so to speak, is in three-dimensional dimension, and not as ground-based two-dimensional. But everything is being improved, the same GLONASS to help. What other directions could there be? The electromagnetic field of an aircraft carrier is more powerful or some other principles. But the question is: WHY, HAVING RCC on the basis of CALIBER, MAKE IT ALMOST AN ANALOGU ON WEAPONS? It’s expensive and not profitable - can gauges be stamped and cheapened at times like sausages? I agree that hypersound. But it will be cheaper to launch 3 Caliber than one Zircon. Based on these assumptions, I made a conclusion about the range (maybe I'm wrong).

[VP]

But everything is being improved, the same GLONASS to help.

You understand that GLONASS is only to bring the rocket to the right point with the right accuracy.
It does not give anything in terms of detecting a target and does not give anything in terms of tracking its movements.
Those. according to GLONASS it is fashionable to take aim at some geographical object.
Anti-ship ships have no tasks of destroying a stationary object, it has more complicated tasks.
Yes, they usually have their own radars to correct course. But they work from twenty kilometers - the rocket switches to a low trajectory by 50-70 kilometers to the target and makes a "slide" about 20 km to the target in order to assess the location of the target from a height and correct the course, after which it "dives" down and goes to the terminal plot.

[Talgat]

Yes. everything is right - subsonic cruise missiles can hit thousands of miles on motionless targets - and glonass - jie pies - can help

Anti-ship missiles cannot be used at long ranges without external target designation. Surely everyone remembers - here on the site there were also articles on this topic

To serve the 500 - 700 km range of granite volcanoes in the USSR there was a complex of Legend satellites. Now it seems Russia has developed and launched satellites of the new Liana complex.

If there is space target designation - then you can increase the range of the same Onyxes - or develop modifications with ranges and a thousand km is possible - and for hypersonic

But now almost all anti-ship missiles have a range of max 260-300 km

I also recall (here, too, the top thief) there was a publication about projects in the USA with anti-ship missiles with ranges over 1000 km. Subsonic.

It turns out that the best anti-AUG tool is a submarine with missile launchers launched from 100-200 km - or a risky approach to the distance of a torpedo attack

The second option is the Tu-22 with the Kyrgyz Republic - as in the USSR. If there is target designation, then the upgraded Tu-22 (and for long distances as an option of the Tu 160) with the new x32 with a launch range of more than a range of interception by AUG fighters is a very real option to cheaply sink AUG

The Chinese attempts to experiment with ballistic missiles cause me personally doubts - but I'm not an expert - they probably have some kind of understanding of how to hit a moving target. Well, okay - let them try - it will suddenly work out - it’s a good thing, after all - and the general one. Then they can mutually exchange with Russia with success. A dozen BRs on the heels of Carcases with X32.

[Dart2027]

It all depends on the situation. The ability to launch a rocket over a thousand kilometers may or may not be. The main thing is that the launchers are universal and allow you to arm the ship with what you need in the current situation.

[st25310]

The range is likely to be laid so that all of Eurasia is shot from the borders of Russia, and this is about 4000 km.

[olegactor]

and what do you think that something will remain ... a couple of submarines will be enough to pin ... dosia is gone

[severyanin]

Quote: PKK

In the 2019 year it will be for repair and modification, what will remain of the cruiser after the 4 World War.

Already after the 3-WORLD, no one will have anything left ... The 4-World will be driven with batons

[PKK]

Local cowards bypass the 4th World War. 3 we have already lost. The cowards are afraid of the war, as the girls are shy. And there are not a few of them.

[Sweles]

it’s necessary to test the missiles somehow, for example, to put them under our control in Argentina and take the Maldives, and silver ones will give us a joy to bring an island under the base, if it’s true of course about the missiles ...

[vodolaz]

I read about "Zircon" - if they bring it to mass production, it will be very cool. Not a single aircraft carrier will feel comfortable, given that these missiles can be installed not only on large ships)

[Litsvin]

Yes, we, sailors of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Fleet, in the 80s could only dream of such a ship. One of these cruisers is needed for each carrier formation of NATO countries. It is imperative to build a dozen more of these beauties in spite of any difficulties. Then our fleet will again become OCEAN - for now, unfortunately, "... the fleet is capable of solving only local tasks in the limited waters of the World Ocean ..." (according to one of the former Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the USSR Navy).

[Sultan Babai]

This news cannot but please !!!

[ded100]

More to such chairs oh dreams dreams!

[Mavrikiy]

Only the angle, not that. In profile, more serious.

[Dart2027]

I hope the deadlines will be met.

[kote119]

the main thing is that modernization does not stretch for many years, time is not easy, too many factors will affect the timing

[Nord2015]

May Russia not be scanty with talented gunsmiths! Good news before the weekend.

[kot312]

The number of such ships in relation to the Amerian aircraft carriers is 1: 1.

[Primus pilus]

Still beautiful ships "Orlans". The last of the "Mohicans".

[Michael67]

Do not croak. Still to come. I have to believe.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Well, until then, create a land version of this missile system. ..

[mav1971]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

Well, until then, create a land version of this missile system. ..

What for?

[lelikas]

Quote: mav1971

What for?

To replace "Redoubts" with "Bastions".

[mav1971]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: mav1971

What for?

To replace "Redoubts" with "Bastions".

Redoubts and Bastions are a useless thing.
Quote:
"
Large enemy ships, even during large-scale hostilities, will not appear in coastal waters, substituting for a missile strike. The probability of this behavior is close to zero. Near sea blockade is a thing of the past. A strike with sea-based cruise missiles is possible from a distance exceeding the firing range of the SCRC - a strategy of the last 25 years.
Mass volleys from a distance of 2000 km carry all coastal infrastructure. All air defense. All roads, bridges, military camps. location positions, etc.
Thus, it becomes clear that the invasion of large ships, the destruction of which is aimed at ground-based SCRC, will be carried out only after the destruction of the coastal defense by high-precision aircraft weapons and cruise missiles.
The significant firing range of ground-based SCRC will be reduced due to the difficulty of target designation at a great distance, moreover, all kinds of interference from the enemy can be expected to determine targets. In the worst case, the ground-based SCRC will have to rely only on its own radar, whose range is limited by the radio horizon. So all the advantages of long-range missiles will be reduced to almost zero. "

[dvina71]

Quote: mav1971

Redoubts and Bastions are a useless thing.

Yes, yes .. of course .. useless .. Haha they are needed. Tolley business..kr carriers will approach the shore and let's shoot at targets .., really, because they will get it further on the territory, right? And to detect cr in folds is by no means harder than over plain water .. all for the good of the interventionists ..
Where do such experts come from? I can’t imagine ..

[mav1971]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: mav1971

Redoubts and Bastions are a useless thing.

Yes, yes .. of course .. useless .. Haha they are needed. Tolley business..kr carriers will approach the shore and let's shoot at targets .., really, because they will get it further on the territory, right? And to detect cr in folds is by no means harder than over plain water .. all for the good of the interventionists ..
Where do such experts come from? I can’t imagine ..

Where do you come from?
It seems the whole country with a higher education.
But the logics and attempts to analyze the comprehensive - not a penny.
Do you have any knowledge?
Textbooks taught?
Can you use information?
So why aren't you doing this now?

Why do you always compare snake and hedgehog in a sterile white room?
You look at least a little tactics.
The bridgehead for landing is cleared at zero.
Spending 300-500 cruise missiles is not a big problem.
Start from 500 km, i.e. Out of the reach of coastal missile systems - and up to Moscow everything can be destroyed.
Novorossiysk-Moscow - in a straight line 1250km.
Sevastopol - Moscow - in a straight line 1290km.

Tactical Caliber or Tomahawk - 2500-3000 km flight distance.
Peter can be covered from the Black Puddle.

Destroy air defense, destroy airfields and stationary KP.
To gain supremacy in the air after this and to clean out a trifle is easy then.
This has already been done by the Americans more than once.
Someone else's experience is your experience.
If you know how to think and analyze.
And do not brush off extravagantly - pen ... dostany and they are not a decree to us.

No coastal complex will help in such a situation.
The enemy must be met at distant frontiers.
Aviation, submarine, but not coastal facilities.

[dvina71]

Quote: mav1971

It seems the whole country with a higher education.
But the logics and attempts to analyze the comprehensive - not a penny.

Well .. self-critical .. I would advise you to study geography and attach possible TVDs to it .. If you knew it .. even at the secondary level, you wouldn’t write such nonsense.
It is thanks to the Bastions from the Black Sea to Moscow (the city) that nothing will fly. Everything that is in the Black Sea and represents a threat to Russia is a legitimate target for a. Aviation b. Shipborne weapons and in. coastal means of defeat. Since the World Cup for a significant aggressor squadron is very small, the theater of operations is narrowed to indecent.
about the same in the Baltic. Thanks to the enclave.
In the Far East .. Kuril ridge, Sakhalin and Kamchatka, followed by the inland sea. Okhotsk. To the mainland hundreds of miles. All launches of the Kyrgyz Republic will be monitored for them to fly to the mainland and through the islands and across the sea. In the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, once again .. legal targets.
So .. exhale and calm down.

[mav1971]

Quote: dvina71

Thanks to the Bastions, nothing will fly from the Black Sea to Moscow (the city).

do you know the characteristics of the Bastion?
Well, at least a little?

The only dangerous mode for a modern destroyer such as Burke is low-altitude flight mode.
Those. its limit is 120 km.
Total.

If you let along a high-altitude trajectory to block the Black Sea before Turkey, then Onyx \ Yakhont becomes a Useless Target.

Think at least a little, and do not throw slogans.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: dvina71

Everything that is in the Black Sea and constitutes a threat to Russia is a legitimate target for a.

The Black Sea under the USSR was our inland lake, so the Americans concentrated the fleets in the Mediterranean, from where the entire European part of the USSR was taken. Now the situation is even worse

[Ruslan67]

Quote: mav1971

Where do you come from?

Ask your mom - she will explain

Quote: mav1971

Spending 300-500 cruise missiles is not a big problem.

Spend Yes! It’s more difficult to hit their target

Quote: mav1971

Destroy air defense, destroy airfields and stationary KP.

Quote: mav1971

But the logics and attempts to analyze the comprehensive - not a penny.

Air defense is intended for the enemy to immediately bear it A curtain!

[mav1971]

Quote: Ruslan67

Quote: mav1971

Where do you come from?

Ask your mom - she will explain

Quote: mav1971

Spending 300-500 cruise missiles is not a big problem.

Spend Yes! It’s more difficult to hit their target

Quote: mav1971

Destroy air defense, destroy airfields and stationary KP.

Quote: mav1971

But the logics and attempts to analyze the comprehensive - not a penny.

Air defense is intended for the enemy to immediately bear it A curtain!

Turn on your head.
Look at the experience of others, and do not suck out your thoughts from the nose.
Look at the characteristics of reconnaissance satellites,
anti-radar missiles,
missile simulators and their number on suspensions.
Look at the characteristics of the radar, viewing angles, the number of simultaneously fired targets.
And if there is a brain, then you will understand that overloading the air defense of any district is not a problem at the moment.
With competent coordination of the strike - any air defense is carried out at a time.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: mav1971

Turn on your head.

Whose?

Quote: mav1971

Look at the characteristics of reconnaissance satellites,
anti-radar missiles,
missile simulators and their number on suspensions.

Our country is called: Papua New Russia?

Quote: mav1971

With competent coordination of the strike - any air defense is carried out at a time.

With competent radio and other reconnaissance + electronic warfare + air defense + aviation + missile systems there will be nothing to make

[ARES623]

Quote: mav1971

No coastal complex will help in such a situation.
The enemy must be met at distant frontiers.
Aviation, submarine, but not coastal facilities.

What are the long-range frontiers for the US database? You measure by the standards of the last war. Here, only one means is applicable - knocking out the stool from under the gallows. Captain Ticonderogi presses the rocket launch button, and after 5 minutes he receives the news that his native Portsmouth and another 500 km wide coastline have been washed away by the sewers, and with the surviving Americans the meat is falling off in pieces from excess radiation. And if at that moment the deck opens up under the feet of the captain from the "Russian rocket", it will be better for him, because it is quick and almost painless. I think that launching a rocket towards Russia, let alone a massive launch, will say that this is the beginning of the end, and our leadership, figuratively speaking, will play its part on the piano. After that, all discussions about ships, tanks, knuckle-dusters-pistols will be meaningless, because more pressing problems will appear - how to survive in conditions of increased radiation, low temperatures, lack of energy and medicine and many other negative factors of a critical scale. Does anyone really believe in a war between the main geopolitical adversaries by conventional means, without using the entire arsenal of weapons of mass destruction? After all, war decides the life and death of states, and the defeated loses EVERYTHING. The rates are outrageous ...

[Serg65]

Quote: mav1971

to reload air defense of any district - at the moment there are no problems.
With competent coordination of the strike - any air defense is carried out at a time.

Quote: Ruslan67

With competent radio and other reconnaissance + electronic warfare + air defense + aviation + missile systems there will be nothing to make

Quote: ARES623

I think that launching a rocket towards Russia, let alone a massive launch, will say that this is the beginning of the end, and our leadership, figuratively speaking, will play its part on the piano. After that, all discussions about ships, tanks, knuckle-dusters-pistols will be meaningless, because more pressing problems will appear - how to survive in conditions of increased radiation, low temperatures, lack of energy and medicine and many other negative factors of a critical scale.

And here really the CURTAIN !!!!! Dmitry you big +

Quote: ARES623

Does anyone really believe in a war between the main geopolitical opponents by conventional means, without using the entire arsenal of WMD?

No, well, it's not fair .... but to fool around ??? And move the tanks, push the boats, and ride the curvimitter on the map ????

[ARES623]

Quote: Serg65

No, well, it's not fair .... but to fool around ??? And move the tanks, push the boats, and ride the curvimitter on the map ????

And this is all for local conflicts, into which operations such as "Ukraine" or "Syria" may result. These two chimeras can start some kind of movement in the hope of supporting the Air Force (Big Black Cock). The situation can develop according to two main scenarios - the first, when the Air Force will provide real support and by all means NATO enters the conflict as an active side, then the use of weapons of mass destruction is inevitable and rather quick. The second scenario - the Air Force "throws" its partner, like the Anglo-Saxons and Franks of the Poles in 1939, crawls onto a mountain of popcorn and gives dry advice, in this case the Russian Federation, applying everything that the Russian Armed Forces learned in peacetime quickly (which is very important) "forces "to the world. Here are "tanks, cuvimeters, boats". IMHO

[xtur]

> Where do you go ,,, from we come.

yes everything comes from the same place where smart people come from

When you look in the mirror, do you see yourself there? If someone is next to you, don’t be distracted, look at yourself carefully, study like a laboratory sample

where did you get that the conditions for using the ship are better on the ship than on the coast? Overland missiles can be of any range, no restrictions on size or metacentric height do not matter on land. Land based radars can also be of any power.
AUGs were able to accompany Soviet ZGRLS, for example, several thousand kilometers from their territory. And subsonic missiles in Crimea, even kids from slingshots can knock down - didn’t you know this yet, or didn’t you know what happens on the shore, in addition to anti-ship missiles, is it also air defense? And in order to overload the air defense, the radius of the enemy’s missiles should be greater than the detection range of the radar, which again makes the task from the point of view of access to technical resources advantageous for the coast, and not for mobile carriers

In a word - try to spend your bile on yourself beloved, but not in public places

[AlexTires]

This news needs to be translated into English, and newspapers, theirs, and more ...
Until it comes .... And without diapers, please ...

[atamankko]

I am proud of you, Russia, and let the enemies fear you.

[AFG-X]

The flight time of the rocket is less than six minutes.
Generally healthy !!

[Michael67]

Where did they count?

[Don36]

Theoretically, this is good, but what will happen in practice ?! The frigate Admiral Gorshkov, equipped with new weapons, has not yet been surrendered to the fleet, due to the lack of readiness of its new weapons systems. First you need to bring the weapon to mind, and then equip the ship with it. I hope they won’t do with the cruiser, as they did with the frigate, through the ass.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Don36

The frigate Admiral Gorshkov, equipped with new weapons, has not yet been surrendered to the fleet, due to the lack of readiness of its new weapons systems. First you need to bring the weapon to mind,

That is why the universal launcher is happy - like zircon, like caliber. If suddenly the Zircon lingers (pah-pah-pah!) Resembles Caliber, or Onyx, they already exist and will be quite modern weapons for a long time

[TiRex]

there and guidance systems may have to redo

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: TiRex

there and guidance systems may have to redo

What kind?:)))

[gispanec]

zircon is still undergoing tests ... there work is like on the virgin soil ... it was at least 8 * 10 onyxes and calibers)) ... 80 missiles (30 onyx / 50 calibres) .. there would already be a thing .... Well, what kind of air defense ??? .... what will they shove? fortM ?? ... a numb shell or tor ?? ?? .... !! ... there is no real news .... what's wrong? .... what kind of turntables? ... the reactor is new or old .... (is there only fuel reloaded ??) .....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: gispanec

Well, what kind of air defense ??? .... what will they shove? fortM ?? ... a stained carapace or torus ??

And what - is there a wide choice?
For all 1144, there were initially 3 types of air defense systems. I think it will remain so.
As for the air defense missile system, DD was promised something like Polyment-Redut.
As for the air defense missile system MD - here is the question. "Osu" will obviously be removed. And instead of it, from the SAM of a similar type, there are only variations on the "Torah" theme. Well, do not put "flexible".
ZRPK - so far from the real only "Pantsir-M". "Daggers" ended on the Indians, but with the combat capability of the "Broadsword" missile defense system, it is still unclear.

However, why guess? We must wait for the tender documentation on the public procurement website.

[Michael67]

The answer is reasoned. In order not to be discouraged, it remains to be comforted only by our ignorance of innovations in the field of new anti-ship missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, missiles and torpedoes of anti-aircraft defense and other new joys that are about to come into service (those that are still under the stamp). !!!

[dvina71]

Journalists, as always .. Peter will be modernized like Nakhimov. As for the main caliber. Long-range missile systems. This modernization consists in the removal of mines for the Granites and the installation of universal launchers. But not only Zircon can be crammed into them. We look at armament pr 855. All this and what is now in development can be installed in these universal launchers.
Maybe it will not be Zircon, but X-101. Well, let the pendo admirals guess ... what these cruisers will be able to please them with.

[opus]

Quote: dvina71

Journalists as always.

Well, glory to Allah, even the funny 10M was removed

Quote: dvina71

Maybe it will not be Zircon, but X-101

he, he.

This is for "Nakhimov"
At the first stage, the first delivery sample of UVPU will be manufactured. In accordance with the Decision, it will be subjected to type tests, the first stage of which is carried out at the manufacturer's stand (type factory tests). After receiving the positive results of the design documentation, UVPU ZS-14-11442M, the letter “O” will be assigned. The tests will be carried out by a commission, which will include representatives of KBSM JSC, State Obukhov Plant JSC, OKB Novator JSC, and VPK NPO Mashinostroeniya JSC. The deadline for the work on the stage is August 2016, the cost is 264 million rubles.

at stage No. 3, the technological equipment necessary for commissioning at the UVPU and the second stage of type testing of the first delivery sample of the UVPU and the delivery sample of the set of loading facilities [KSP] will be produced. It includes 3M-54T GVM [overall weight model of the anti-ship missile 3M-54T "Caliber"], 3M55GMM [overall weight model of the anti-ship missile 3M55 "Onyx"], 3M22GMM [overall mass model of the anti-ship missile 3M22 Zircon]. The deadline for the work on stage 3 is December 2016, the cost is 78 million rubles.

How to do it, I don’t know.
At the second stage, nine more UVPUs will be made, it is planned to release one installation each month with the completion of the stage by May 2017. The cost of production is 2 million rubles.

[Michael67]

Sorry for the proofreading. "This is for" Nakhimov "- this is for" Kalinin ".
Otherwise, thanks for the info. She is very nice.

[opus]

Quote: Michael67

Sorry for the proofreading. "This is for" Nakhimov "- this is for" Kalinin ".

1.Yes, what a "sorry". If there is something to correct, then it is necessary
2.A, what kind of "Kalina"? I overslept?
3. No, what I have listed is "Nakhimov". At least officially.
Information on the conclusion of an agreement with JSC Design Bureau of Special Machine-Building /http://kbsm31502887567.narod.ru was posted on the official procurement site of Sevmash Production Association OJSC (http://www.sevmash.ru/) / (Saint-Petersburg, part of the Almaz-Antey Concern) for the manufacture and supply of ten universal vertical launchers [UVPU] ZS-2009-14M for repairs underway at the enterprise with the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear missile cruiser project 11442.

Production will be carried out on the basis of joint Decision No. 235/1/1/8565 of November 6, 2014. and the terms of reference “Finalization of UVPU 3S-14-22350 for 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 complexes as applied to order 11442M” [3K14 - “Caliber” universal ship’s firing complex (UKKS), 3M55 - “Onyx” anti-ship missile , 3K22 - probably missile system with anti-ship / hypersonic missile "Zircon".

- the official website of public procurement zakupki.gov.ru (the old version is zakupkiold.gov.ru, until 2008 - www3.pgz.economy.gov.ru),
- the official website torgi.gov.ru,
- a register of state property from the site rosim.ru,
- card file of arbitration cases kad.arbitr.ru,
- database of cargo customs declarations,
- officially published statements of joint stock companies,
- regulations.

In total, 80 missiles in the UVPU will be at "Nakhimov"
AND IT PLEASES

[valent45]

Good news! Americans will stand on their ears! They respect only power.

[Denis Obukhov]

Behind the hillock, from "Caliber" at the beginning constipation, then diarrhea, from "Zircon" immediately diarrhea and liquid

[Artura0777]

Beauty and power !!!!!!!!!!!

[DrVintorez]

Poor kaptsov ...

[ziqzaq]

Quote: DrVintorez

Poor kaptsov ...

Honest humor ....

[Rurikovich]

Quote: DrVintorez

Poor kaptsov ...

... with his Zamvolt and railgun ...

[Lex.]

will be 5 times the speed of sound is not bad 6000km / h
Well, after 7 years it will be, at best, a bit too much

[fa2998]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Wow, breathtaking! Power.

I may have missed something? What a Zircon hypersonic rocket, I hear it for the first time. Maybe someone knows the details!

[stonks]

So the article says.
Looks like everything that is still possible.

[Malachite]

AUG of the USA and France .. Where are you? We need to train ..

[stonks]

It is gratifying to read such news.

[sivuch]

The news, of course, is good, but the figure of 400 km is not impressive. I hope there will be more real

[morprepud]

... but the figure of 400 km is not impressive

maybe 400 km to disperse?

[Dart2027]

Quote: sivuch

but the figure of 400 km is not impressive

If the rocket flies in hypersound, then it will need a sea of ​​energy to maintain such a speed, which means that the engine will devour fuel in unmeasured quantities

[Flat5160]

The first swallows of hypersound went, for which reason the mattress with its missile defense subsides. What is it for.

[satellite24]

Interestingly, but they will give us time until the 22 year? Missiles undergo state flight tests (the mace also passed the tests, something not to hear about it, and the submarines sharpened under it that they had been waiting for 12 for years)

Correctly, 100 wrote - that POWER is when the product is put in the army! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: satelit24

and the submarines imprisoned under it, which were waiting for 12 years sawed

Explain which boats were waiting for the Mace. The only boats under the Mace are Boreas and they went into operation (two) and launches are carried out from them.

[okroshka79]

Yes, Igor Korotchenko is an expert! Especially in the navy. Once said, then it really is. Only here my humor is black. And the terms of modernization of the ship all somehow float somewhere further and further.

[Lesorub]

Quote: Pravdarm

To date, the characteristics of "Zircon" are secret. According to data from open sources, the range of the rocket can be about 400 km, and its speed will be 5 times the speed of sound.

Hope the range is 400 km. it is for general use - real (the competitive range of Flagship Antishiping missiles should approach 1000 km or exceed this range !!!!

[VP]

One feels the words of a specialist in anti-ship systems.
Sorry, but how are you going to hit a thousand miles? On the map?
And if the goal will not wait for you there?
300-400 for anti-ship, not because "it is a pity for excess kerosene"

[mav1971]

Quote: VP

One feels the words of a specialist in anti-ship systems.
Sorry, but how are you going to hit a thousand miles? On the map?
And if the goal will not wait for you there?
300-400 for anti-ship, not because "it is a pity for excess kerosene"

Would you still ask this specialist how and where the GOS will be put?
if the muzzle is heated to 600 degrees at M5, and the rest of the body to 500?
And where will the plasma go, inevitably arising at such speeds in dense layers of the atmosphere?
And how they will fight with this very plasma. which is an excellent radio wave isolator in all ranges?

[Lesorub]

It's good that "Feels"))), we can recall, created in the era of the USSR, P 700 Granite with a range of more than 600 km and a speed of Mach 2.5, I think the technologies do not stand still and the range of modern anti-ship missiles will increase !!! (The one who quickly detected, and effectively destroyed the target at a long distance - He and the Winner!)

[From Samara]

So this Ballistic missile ...

[morprepud]

I would love to sit with the "Peter" in the stern after lights out, with a kettle and a net. And also, lower the underwater light overboard and hold the "phase" fishing rod ready to hold ...
Yes, there was a time, and we walked in the seas ...

[Vlad5307]

Quote: VP

Why fly a contraceptor for a thousand or two?
She will have to aim almost all the time to constantly highlight a moving target.
As long as the same Caliber daughters for these 2500 km, the AUG at thirty nodes during its flight can fall a hundred kilometers.
That is why the Caliber in the anti-ship version has a radius much smaller than in the version for work on ground objects.

I completely agree with your arguments - for each application they will make their own hypersonic missile! What is good for ground-based relatively stationary targets is not suitable for highly maneuverable, even land, even sea!

[Huan karlos]

Like and delight such news from our techies.

[Old26]

Quote: Talgat

but the enemy is unlikely to repel hypersonic anti-ship missiles

That is yes. Can we repulse their X-51?

Quote: satelit24

Interestingly, but they will give us time until the 22 year? Missiles undergo state flight tests (the mace also passed the tests, something not to hear about it, and the submarines sharpened under it that they had been waiting for 12 for years)

I am sorry, dear satelit24. You have not finally woken up, or have not slept yet ??? The mace has indeed passed flight tests, but what should you hear about it if it has been in service for several years already, and what kind of submarines were waiting for it for 12 years and sawn-off submarines? Accidentally not "Boreas" ???

[starper]

Here are the cons! For me, such huge carriers of such small rocket, and nafig are not needed. He will be guarded by a whole squadron, and this is money and oh, what a lot, on the other hand, to sink even such a handsome man, 1 missile with a nuclear warhead is enough, and where is the point? From my non-professional point of view, the submarine fleet needs to be invested, which is what the Yankees are really afraid of and not such dinosaurs. Respectfully, amateur. There somewhere else the "aircraft carrier" is floating, I'm afraid to even imagine how much the maintenance of this monster costs ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: starper

1 nuclear warhead missile is enough

Then comes the end of the world. It has been explained a hundred times.

Quote: starper

you need a submarine fleet to invest in what the Yankees are really afraid of

It was already under Khrushchev. It turned out that without a powerful surface fleet anywhere.

[Zomanus]

I wonder how many missiles can be released in one salvo after modernization?
Well, such a ship without retinue is impossible.
Therefore, we put an anti-submarine ship nearby
and maybe something with air defense / missile defense is more powerful.
And then the aircraft carriers lose their meaning.
And, another dock ship, here.

[Nikolay71]

Quote: satelit24

Interestingly, but they will give us time until the 22 year? Missiles undergo state flight tests (the mace also passed the tests, something not to hear about it, and the submarines sharpened under it that they had been waiting for 12 for years)

Correctly, 100 wrote - that POWER is when the product is put in the army! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

So "Boreas" is the same with "Bulava".

[Wolka]

It is necessary to equip with "zircons" not only "Petrukha", but RTOs and the faster and more the better ...

[Sergey Sitnikov]

1.5 km per second !!! 25 seconds to the farthest target !!! Yes, it's just scary for the defenders

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Sergey Sitnikov

1.5 km per second !!! 25 seconds to the most distant goal !!!

37,5km? Abruptly

[Dmitry Potapov]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: Mavrikiy

Wow, breathtaking! Power.

And it seems to me that POWER is when the product is delivered to the troops! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

I agree. But the main thing is that ours "went out" to hypersound in reality, which means project 4202 is ready and in the near future we will have missiles with a speed of Mach 10, this will please the "partners" so much that even I am glad.

[red_october]

Quote: umah

Very strange, there are 8 launchers on "Gepard" and "Buyan-M"

There are 1 PUs on 8 cells.
10 PU = 80 missiles.

[Old26]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

I agree. But the main thing is that ours "went out" to hypersound in reality, which means project 4202 is ready and in the near future we will have missiles with a speed of Mach 10, this will please the "partners" so much that even I am glad.

Actually, you shouldn't confuse "God's gift with scrambled eggs". The point is that a hypersonic cruise missile only passes state flight design tests. First, she must pass them (many of the previous ones were unsuccessful). Further, do not fly in hypersound for a short time, as the Chief said in relation to this rocket, but fly steadily all the time. The speed will be about Mach 5. And only after being put into service can we talk about the existence of a hypersonic cruise missile in our country. Not earlier. But something is completely incomprehensible with the same universal launcher and those open characteristics of it that are encountered.

Project 4202 is a warhead for ballistic intercontinental missiles. While their trials go through the stump deck. There are "childhood diseases" that are trying to eliminate. And what will be the carrier for this project is not yet clear. Perhaps the 15Yu71-35 rocket, or maybe not at all, if the next generation is on the way (for the same "Sarmat", at least)

[Evil 55]

- the carrier is too large ... "Zircon" will not reach the launch line .. It's time to move away from ships of large displacement towards coastal defense ships and mobile wheeled units ...

[alex80]

Quote: stas52

Pauls_77
multiply by 60, then get the speed of 5400km / hour

And here is the calculation of speed, is it already known !?
A person claims that at a given speed a rocket in 1 min. will fly 1000 km.
And this is not true, because 5400 km / 60 min = 90 km. - i.e. rocket in 1 min. will fly 90 km, not 1000 km.
It will fly 1000 km in 11 minutes, which is also cool in general

[Engineer]

Quote: Tol100v

And it seems to me that POWER is when the product is delivered to the troops! And protocols of intent cannot be power!

When it seems - it is necessary to be baptized.

[WAP Master]

Quote: umah

According to another source in the shipbuilding industry, "the cruiser will be equipped with ten 3C-14 launchers, which will be able to receive missiles" Onyx "," Caliber "and" Zircon "

Very strange, there are 8 launchers on the Gepard and Buyan-M. Why is a healthy cruiser so deprived? In terms of size, 40 launchers will easily enter there ...

Maybe they don't talk about it and don't want to scare our "partners" ahead of time))))

[Alekspel]

People I finally do not understand what is happening in our defense industry? They were crazy there or something, such a terrible pace !!! Indeed, recently PAK FA was presented almost as a futuristic project, and yesterday it was announced on TV: in a series this year. They give the heat nothing. If this is true, then a gigantic respect of our military engineering thought and the working people of the military-industrial complex. Well, to Ragozin, of course.

[Pvi1206]

More such news! The only thing that is alarming is the timing.

[Old26]

He put a plus to the article, because of the principle he did not put any minuses to the comment, otherwise almost every comment would have to be put.
Not comments, but sheer grunts and hats. Complete ignorance of at least a minimal amount of information, not only on the "Zircon" but on everything else, including the declared range. Well, it is small. Although it is easy to take and compare analogs - and everything could fall into place. Everything surprises. And the desire to launch a rocket at 2000 km from a Tu-2000 flying at a speed of 160 km / h. And much more.

In short, as I already wrote in a parallel topic. Wunderwaffe is our everything. Every time this "Wunderwaffe" appears, ecstasy begins. Immediately there are notions about the range, the tactics of use, and even more about HZ what.
+ "Buyany-M" with "Calibers" already been. Including the flight of anti-ship missiles at a range of 300 km
+ "Barguzin" and "Sarmat" - also were.
+ WIG - were
+ Now this "Wunder" became "Zircon"
+ Something little There were comments on products that were not produced as usual. 4202 project.
+ And nothing new about the new complexes "Karavan" and "Semaphore". But I think that soon and from them they will start s.sat steam in a fit of ecstasy

[Ze Kot]

Zircon ", is it not by chance" dug out "from the" GELA "repository?

[4bas]

So I have the same question, since no work has been done on the GEL for more than 10 years, and the project itself has closed status. Can anyone explain?

[Old26]

Quote: The Cat

Zircon ", is it not by chance" dug out "from the" GELA "repository?

No

[Bersaglieri]

Due to the fact that “Zircons” under UKSk there will be 80+ “Zircons” Glorious “Arsenal”!

[Old26]

Quote: Bersaglieri

Due to the fact that “Zircons” under UKSk there will be 80+ “Zircons” Glorious “Arsenal”!

Reduce the arsenal by 5 times, I think this will be a more realistic figure

[spy008]

There is only one thing that upsets me: both in the Zircons and in the T-50 - the timing!!! - how long to wait?!
As for a patriot, everything Mericosian is guano! But how much of this same crap they have - it’s terrible!

[Ded176]

Quote: Temples

Mach is, for a minute, one and a half kilometers per second. 1000 km will fly by in a minute.

You screwed up. wink
This is already 50 mach.

The speed of sound in air is - 331 m/s. Accordingly, 5 swings - 331 x 5 = 1655 m/s.
см. ссылку - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%

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Quote: xtur

Land missile launchers can be of any range; no restrictions on size or metacentric height matter on land.

RIAC this time. Maneuvering a ship is two things. The difference between RCC and KR has not been Googled.

[Letterksi]

This means that Peter the Great will be withdrawn from the country’s defense just at the “hottest” time. I don’t know whether to be happy or sad