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Kurdish factor in the formula "Russia - Turkey" // Jamilya Kochoyan

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Kurdish factor in the formula "Russia - Turkey" // Jamilya Kochoyan



November 24 Turkish air forces shot down a Russian Su-24 in the sky over Syria, which participated in the counter-terrorist operation. Russian President Vladimir Putin called the incident a stab in the back by the accomplices of the terrorists, openly declaring cooperation between Ankara and the Islamic State. In addition, on November 28, a number of sanctions were applied against Turkey, primarily related to trade and economic relations.

Presidential decree provides for a ban on Turkish goods;

the activities of many Turkish organizations in Russia will be suspended;

a ban on the employment of Turkish citizens;

since January 1, visa-free travel between countries has been abolished.

In addition, Vladimir Putin instructed the government to take measures to ban charter flights between Russia and Turkey.

Of course, sanctions have only political overtones. And another Kurdish factor can be another political tool of influence. It must be said that the attention of the Russian public to the Kurdish issue is due to several reasons.

First, the Syrian war. The 4 war of the year in Syria, in addition to the Syrian opposition, from the very beginning of the civil war, another element of the government forces was allocated, namely, the Kurdish troops. Having a bitter experience of the liberation struggle, when the Kurds, embraced by the desire to achieve statehood, became literally pawns in the hands of the powers, since the beginning of the war in Syria, the Kurds have been neutral and have not joined any of the parties. Then came the Islamic state, another term in the equation of the war in Syria. And at this moment the position of the Kurds began to slowly but surely change. Kurds with Russia - it became clear about this literally in November of this year. Syrian Kurds support Russia's actions against the militants of the “Islamic State” (IG) and hope for military cooperation with Moscow. This was stated by the leader of the most influential party of the Syrian Kurdistan "Democratic Union" Salih Muslim. “We are on the side of all who fight terrorism in Syria. As for Russia, its actions enjoy our support, even though they were late, ”said Salih Muslim. He hopes that Russian intervention will contribute to a political resolution of the conflict in Syria.

The second reason, rallied Russia with the Kurds, oddly enough, downed Su-24. Previously, it seemed that Russia deliberately adhered to a moderately indifferent position towards the Kurds, given the capacious trade and economic relations with Turkey. Thus, on the scales of multidirectional stances towards the Kurdish issue, the pragmatism always outweighed, namely, the value of the Turkish partner. Now, when the Kurds have something to say to the world, there is something to help Russia and, most importantly, when the contradictory policy of T. Erdogan is in crisis - Russia, turning away from Turkey, has turned to the Kurds.

The third, but not the least important reason for Russia's emphasis on the political environment is undermined agreements. Turkey, in the fall of 1994, agreed with Russia not to interfere in the affairs of the North Caucasus, in exchange for Russia's non-intervention in the Kurdish problem. It must be said that Russia has kept its commitments, but Turkey has not kept them. There are suggestions that Turkey sends its militants to the territory of the North Caucasus. On the annual Message, the President made it clear to the Turkish side:

“We remember that it was in Turkey that the militants who were operating in the North Caucasus in the 90-s and in the 2000-s hid and received moral, material support. And now we still notice them there. ”

The rapprochement of the Kurds and Russia led to a very significant meeting. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov met on December 23 with a representative of the Turkish Kurds, with the leader of the pro-Kurdish Democratic Peoples Party, whose name is Selahattin Demirtas. Let us examine this person in more detail. Kurdish representative 42 of the year. After graduating from the law faculty of the University of Ankara, Selahattin Demirtas worked as a lawyer for a while. He was the head of the Diyarbakır branch of the Society for Human Rights, and held senior positions in the Foundation for Human Rights in Turkey. 13 November speaking at Liberty Square in front of 5 to a thousandth audience in the city of Mardin Demirtas condemned the construction of the statue to Kenan Evren, leader of the coup 1980 of the year, criticizing the ban on hanging Ocalan’s posters: “They say:“ You cannot hang A. Ocalan’s poster . If you can build a statue of Evren, the Kurdish killer, why can't the Kurdish people hang a poster of their leader? If the Kurds are not able to hang a poster of A. Ocalan in Kurdistan, then where can they hang it? We will go further and erect his statue. Remember this. ”The Patriotic Rod also has its brother, in Turkey it is well known that Mr. Demirtash’s brother, Nurettin Demirtas, took part in hostilities in the territory of Syrian Kurdistan. The parliamentary elections held in Turkey in the summer brought wide fame to Mr. C. Demirtas: instead of the portrait of Recep T. Erdogan, the political newspapers were decorated with a photo of Demirtas. And all because DPN went to the Turkish parliament with an unexpectedly high rate for it - more than 13%, taking away the votes from the Justice and Development Party of Erdogan. 79 Kurdish votes forever robbed T. Erdogan of his imperial dreams, in connection with which the president had to call early elections, following which he managed to restore his party’s position in the Mejlis. The Democratic Party of Nations has retained seats in parliament and this time received 11% of votes.

Thus, the Democratic Party of Nations defends the interests of the Kurds and other ethnic minorities living in Turkey, and also advocates democratic reforms in the country.

The Turkish side rated this meeting rather negatively. “Shame and treason” - this is how the Turkish Prime Minister called the visit of the Kurdish leader to Moscow. “Why are they going to Russia at such a time?” They consider it their moral duty to cooperate with those who have problems with Turkey, instead of acting for the good of their people, ”asked Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu. During the meeting, the incident with SU-24 was also discussed, the Kurdish leader criticized Turkey’s actions, calling them objective and groundless, and the Syrian crisis was also discussed (the Kurdish leader adheres to the pro-Russian position about the need to conduct an anti-terrorist operation without double standards). The issue of the right to freedom of speech and the use of the native language was also discussed. The fact is that all citizens who speak Turkish are considered by the authorities of the country as Turks and the Turkish state believes that those are 95%.

The media claim that the initiative to meet Sergey Lavrov and Selakhatin Demirtas came from the Kurdish side, however, in my opinion, this desire is exclusively Russian. And the good reason for this is that the Kurds will help Russia punish Ankara. There are several reasons why Russia should close with the Kurds:

Kurds - the most important ground force in the war in Syria;

Kurds - the perfect political revenge for Su-24;

Kurds - a potential ally in the Middle East in political processes;

The Kurds are a potential strategic partner for the energy sector in Kurdistan (which has the second largest oil fields in the world).
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  1. BLOND
    BLOND 20 February 2016 06: 00
    +4
    Kurds are a potential ally in the Middle East in political processes ...


    ... that is why they fall into the category of "not tomatoes" that "... Erdogan will not get off with"
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 20 February 2016 06: 10
      14
      Quote: BLOND
      Kurds are a potential ally in the Middle East in political processes ...


      ... that is why they fall into the category of "not tomatoes" that "... Erdogan will not get off with"

      US President Barack Obama in a telephone conversation with Recep Erdogan expressed concern about the approach of Kurdish troops to the Turkish border and recognized Ankara’s right to self-defense

      Turkish authorities revealed the details of a telephone conversation between Presidents Barack Obama and Recep Erdogan. According to the Daily Sabah newspaper, citing the statement of the Turkish leader, during the conversation the head of the White House announced that he urged the Syrian Kurds to immediately stop the provocations that create problems in relations between Ankara and the Syrian opposition, as well as hamper the fight against the Islamic State ( a banned terrorist organization in Russia).

      Obama also assured his Turkish counterpart that the United States is determined to continue to support its NATO ally in the fight against terrorist threats, recognizing Ankara’s right to self-defense. The two presidents also agreed to strengthen cooperation in the fight against terrorist groups, including the Kurdish Workers' Party of Kurdistan. So these are the things, the war is already approaching by leaps and bounds. hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 14
        +7
        Quote: vovanpain
        war is approaching by leaps and bounds

        The majority of the people were blind and deaf and did not notice that a warrior was approaching.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 20 February 2016 06: 17
          13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He doesn’t notice that a warrior is approaching.

          And how should I notice? To dig a bunker in the courtyard or to occupy the queue in the draft board from the evening?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 22
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And how should I notice?

            Probably pray.
            1. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul 20 February 2016 11: 05
              0
              Probably pray.
              Hope for God, but don’t be fooled. wink
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 20 February 2016 07: 05
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The majority of the people were blind and deaf and did not notice that a warrior was approaching.

          Salt, sugar, matches purchased in sufficient quantities. What else would you recommend to buy or do?
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 February 2016 07: 14
            14
            Quote: EvgNik
            Salt, sugar, matches purchased in sufficient quantities

            good
            Quote: EvgNik
            What else would you recommend to buy or do?

            Find a frightened nerd who will buy it at a triple price and buy vodka with a snack wassat
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 30
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Find a bullied nerd

              This is a problem, so far I’ll point out, but I feel like a hero laughing
              Quote: Ruslan67
              and to the rescue to buy vodka with a snack

              I would suggest a thump in the center of Ankara. Plump as Russian lads rested in Turkey in the early 90s wink
              1. EvgNik
                EvgNik 20 February 2016 07: 51
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I would suggest a thump in the center of Ankara

                To drink in Ankara? Moveton. It's hot there, and drinking in the heat ...
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 20 February 2016 08: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: EvgNik
                  It's hot there, and drinking in the heat ..
                  And we'll bring it with us. Cold, "Zhiguli" ...
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I would suggest a thump in the center of Ankara. Plump like a Russian brother
                  Be sure to drink and more than once, the whole world is in ruins, but then (s).
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                  1. skrabplus.ru
                    skrabplus.ru 20 February 2016 11: 53
                    +3
                    inserted, stole your "glory"
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 20 February 2016 07: 45
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              and to the rescue to buy vodka with a snack

              Bad luck. How to register for VO, for some reason I threw it away. Should I start again? tongue
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 20 February 2016 07: 47
                +2
                Quote: EvgNik
                How to register for VO, for some reason I threw it away.

                belay what Interesting reaction laughing
                Quote: EvgNik
                Should I start again?

                Only in case of perpetual ban crying wassat
                1. EvgNik
                  EvgNik 20 February 2016 08: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Only in case of perpetual ban

                  For what? "I'm not guilty!" (C)
            3. skrabplus.ru
              skrabplus.ru 20 February 2016 11: 50
              0
              High five! Ingeniously lifted up! And the advice is excellent
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 28
            0
            Quote: EvgNik
            Salt, sugar, matches purchased in sufficient quantities.

            Candles bought kerosene for the lamp?
            Quote: EvgNik
            What else would you recommend to buy or do?

            Relocates from this evil planet to another.
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 20 February 2016 07: 49
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Relocates from this evil planet to another

              The planet, though bad, but for some reason I love it. And especially the Urals.
          3. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 20 February 2016 11: 06
            0
            Salt, sugar, matches purchased in sufficient quantities.
            Enough is how much?
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          5. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 20 February 2016 14: 47
            +1
            Portable radios, civilian walkie-talkies, flashlights, batteries, medicines and dressings, scatter supplies for different caches and ... most importantly - do not forget vodka and balalaikas! (The enemy will come, but we sit well and sing songs! Shoot from resentment !!! laughing ) hi
        3. vovanpain
          vovanpain 20 February 2016 08: 10
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: vovanpain
          war is approaching by leaps and bounds

          The majority of the people were blind and deaf and did not notice that a warrior was approaching.

          Alexander welcome, of course I read the article, read the comments, read the news, I was particularly interested in the UN, where 6 members of the Security Council rolled out Moscow’s proposal, talking on the phone between Smoked and Cheburek, went out for hat-takers and posted comments, I hope they’re not going to throw caps overhead .
        4. Yeraz
          Yeraz 20 February 2016 13: 56
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The majority of the people were blind and deaf and did not notice that a warrior was approaching.

          And the funny thing is you turn on the telly or the Internet and everywhere people with the names of YAN, as in this article they advise Russia and Russians how to deal with Turkey))) Only the previous strategy of Yanov against Turkey turned into their massacre and complete deportation))) It's not very worth trusting such analysts, otherwise they’ll cleanse the Kurds)))
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 20 February 2016 19: 52
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            Only the previous strategy of Yanov against Turkey turned into their massacre and complete deportation)))


            Only a similar strategy of the Turks turned into physical destruction all without exception organizers of the Armenian genocide. They got them everywhere: from Paris and Berlin - to Central Asia! Google "Operation Nemesis" and ask who got Enver Pasha!

            And one more thing: the ending -yan is found not only among Armenians, but also among Moldovans, and Kurds... In any case, the name "Jamila" is hardly found among Armenians! laughing
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 21 February 2016 01: 44
              0
              Quote: Weyland
              Only such a strategy of the Turks resulted in the physical destruction of all, without exception, the organizers of the Armenian Genocide.

              Wai Wai lost hundreds of thousands killed, all their lands and in revenge killed the organizers. What reckoning))))
              Quote: Weyland
              in any case, the name "Jamil" is hardly found among Armenians!

              This is the Armenian Yezidi most likely. They have solid Muslim names. And you often meet Armenians. The surname Allahverdyan even exists))
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 21 February 2016 13: 34
                -1
                Quote: Yeraz
                Wai Wai lost hundreds of thousands killed, all their lands and in revenge killed the organizers. What reckoning))))


                And we, Russians, in your opinion, suck in general - unlike the Armenians, had the Germans the full opportunity to completely root out for their atrocities, and only 10 people were hanged in Nuremberg? They hung, of course, not only those ten and not only in Nuremberg - but still not enough ...

                Quote: Yeraz
                This is probably an Armenian Yezidi. They have solid Muslim names.


                Armenian Yezidi is super! laughing EMNIP, only Kurds are Yezidis - and the first time I hear that Yezidis (fire worshipers) use Muslim names!
                But surnames like Muradyan or, for example, Demirchan (despite the fact that there is a full equivalent of "Darbinyan"), Armenians do quite often occur (where did they come from - I don't know, except that the famous Zildzhan clan had the surname "Zilji" personally granted to the ancestor by the Sultan ).
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      2. Stas157
        Stas157 20 February 2016 06: 54
        +3
        US President Barack Obama in a telephone conversation with Recep Erdogan expressed concern about the approach of Kurdish troops to the Turkish border and recognized Ankara’s right to self-defense

        In other words, gave the go-ahead to the Turks so that they fought with the Kurds in Syria! Obviously, very soon, Turkish troops will conduct military operations already in Syria itself. How our VKS will be led and show whether the Turks escaped with tomatoes alone or not.
    2. DIMA45R
      DIMA45R 20 February 2016 06: 12
      +5
      The enemy of my enemy is my friend ... In parallel interests, to strengthen both, it is better to act together.
    3. Kostyar
      Kostyar 20 February 2016 06: 14
      +1
      Kurds are a potential ally in the Middle East in political processes ...

      East is a delicate matter, it is necessary to be more careful, with partners ......., so that again the knife would not fly in the back !!!
      1. PKK
        PKK 20 February 2016 07: 16
        0
        The opponent of Kurdistan is Assad himself. But yesterday, Lavrov reported to Assad that he would restore the old borders of the neudass, clearly indicating the creation of Kurdish autonomy. The United States also dreams of Kurdistan, to control the region. Here we see who wins.
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 00
    +3
    Which are the stumps of the Kurds.
    News of this day.
    Turkey is about to enter the military in Syria.
    Obama-Turkey has the right to self-defense.
    Oland-Do not rule out the outbreak of war between Turkey and Russia.
    NATO-In the event of the outbreak of war between Turkey and Russia, NATO will not intervene.
    Security Council un-blah, blah, blah.
    Warrior drums are getting louder and the Kurdish factor no longer plays any role.
    1. snifer
      snifer 20 February 2016 06: 17
      0
      You are Alexander, I noticed, you still think that there will be a war? In my opinion, there is a swing and it is impossible to say unequivocally whether or not the war will be, of course
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 01
        +3
        Quote: snifer
        You are Alexander, I noticed, still think that there will be a war?

        The last 2000 years, and maybe more, mankind has fought, fought and fought.
        Now in the world, has something changed?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 20 February 2016 07: 13
          +3
          snifer
          You are Alexander, I noticed, still think that there will be a war? In my opinion, there is a swing and it’s impossible to say unequivocally whether or not the war is
          The main thing in such matters is not to clap your "ears"!
          No wonder they say - "If you want peace - get ready for war!"
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 34
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            - "If you want peace, prepare for war!"

            Tatyana hi Sevmash switched to the production of military products. The first swallow, soon the whole country will move to military rails and we will have both import substitution and new jobs and the engine of the economy.
            Poidy twist on the heels of the cheeks.
        2. snifer
          snifer 20 February 2016 07: 28
          +4
          Wars are going on now, but I think that by the word War, you do not mean a local conflict. and the world, with the use of all types of weapons up to thermonuclear. The ability to get a couple of radiation mushrooms is exactly what confuses Turkey. Therefore, today a representative of the neo-Ottomans said that they would not enter without the United States. America is also not particularly smiling at the role of becoming a breeding ground for "champignons" with How it will develop further is not known (the situation is very difficult) But let's hope that if not common sense, then fear will prevail over these demoniac hi
        3. EvgNik
          EvgNik 20 February 2016 08: 43
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Now in the world, has something changed?

          It has changed.
          1. There are more wars
          2. They became more destructive and bloody
          3. Most wars begin with the filing of the heads of the policeman
          4. End with the destruction, fragmentation of states
          5. The fragmented states become raw materials appendages of the same chaps of the policeman.
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    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 20 February 2016 06: 18
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Warrior drums are getting louder and the Kurdish factor no longer plays any role.

      Sasha do not scare people in the morning. Although he himself sins such statements)))))
      Statements of all these mentally unbalanced, this does not mean that everything will be so. If there is a mess, then the EU will not be able to sit out in the bushes, rubbing its handles. It will be hot for them.
      I think these statements from Erdogan, this is another pumping of money from the EU, they say I will start a war, and a flood of refugees will flood you if you do not give me a certain amount.
      Although with candidates for a psychiatric institution, one must keep an eye out for the fact that there will be provocations unequivocally, and one must wrinkle here sparingly. Although my opinion is that Erdogan is still managed externally, albeit with his own quirks and ambitions.
      And all ultimatums are for the EU and the USA, it’s like in a theater.
      This is a kind of SHOW, on TV, all the details of the SHOW are spoken out, so that there would be no surprises, and unexpected people. So his role is the same as that of Petit Gunpowder. There is no turning back.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 31
        +4
        Quote: Sirocco
        Sasha do not scare people in the morning

        Tell me how to stop the warrior and I'll shut up.
        Quote: Sirocco
        If there is a mess, then the EU will not be able to sit out in the bushes, rubbing its handles. It will be hot for them.

        When the mess begins ...
        1. We will no longer have an Internet.
        2. I will not run to view news and print comments.
        3. I will not give a damn about what is happening in the EU.
        4. And you too
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 20 February 2016 06: 34
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Tell me how to stop the warrior and I'll shut up.

          Force the adversary to sign an act of unconditional surrender laughing
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 20 February 2016 06: 47
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Tell me how to stop the warrior and I shut up.

          You got the wrong foot today? Nobody shuts you up.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          When the mess begins ...

          Who argues about this? There will be nothing, not only this, no matches, no salt))))) And there will be plow and horses, at best.
          For example, I don’t know how to prevent what they are pushing us to, well, I don’t have enough brain substance for this. I hope for the commander in chief and his team.
          With an invitation to a bloody feast in Ukraine, we parted by striking the sides, and stripping off the paint, now we are invited to the Turkish ball, not Syrian, but Turkish, it didn’t work with Sushka, now we pulled out another scenario from the sleeve.
          In general, nothing depends on us, if that starts, then so be it. In the meantime.
          With the cold wisdom of the Dragon, order is controlled in heaven.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 February 2016 06: 50
            +3
            Quote: Sirocco
            You got the wrong foot today?

            Went on the wrong hand wassat
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 05
            +1
            Quote: Sirocco
            You got the wrong foot today?

            Every day I go to the wrong place laughing
            Quote: Sirocco
            With an invitation to a bloody feast in Ukraine, we parted by striking the sides, and stripping off the paint,

            Here's the mistake. Now imagine, the mess begins with Turkey, in fact we need to supply Crimea, but how to supply it? - right, give Gunpowder into the drunken snout and lay a ground corridor.
            Quote: Sirocco
            I hope for the commander in chief and his team.

            You think he will send a ticket to the bunker, even I doubt it.
      2. dauria
        dauria 20 February 2016 10: 39
        -1
        Sasha do not scare people in the morning.


        That's for sure. Before the mess (real), a great drape from Moscow should begin, some sale of factories, newspapers, ships ... smile Or have our rats lost their scent? And the military commissars, I don’t watch them move. And then, what's the point of worrying? We still have old people left behind the Volga in the villages, who have in the hallway a couple of coffins in store for themselves and the old woman wink . Well, they walk past them, so they don’t even lie down, they don’t even intend to ...
    3. Foresterer
      Foresterer 20 February 2016 06: 43
      +5
      Everyone has already noticed that in rhetoric these characters are strong, but not really. Let Erdogan try once again to kill our troops, regret it very much. Recent statements by the Russian leadership do not give a single drop of double interpretation, as they like in the east. Illegal invasion, friendship agreement with Syria, repulse to the fullest, in this set I do not see a proposal for friendship. Erdogan will be suicide if he decides to invade. He is a Turk, therefore a trader, not a suicide. One fool in Europe succumbed to his blackmail, he is still looking for these, provokes everyone in a row. Let's see who else will stand in this shameful row, following the Chancellor of Germany. And then, if there are people who want to divide Syria, then there are no less people who want to divide Turkey, and there will be those who wish to have a bit of luck for Erdogan. Apologize to him, but where has it been seen, so that the boorish huckster ever apologized? Only if the lyuley gets. Well, that's what goes on.
    4. novobranets
      novobranets 20 February 2016 07: 01
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Warrior drums are getting louder and the Kurdish factor no longer plays any role.

      If a military conflict begins between Turkey and Russia, then Kurdish military formations will play a role, some more.
    5. EvgNik
      EvgNik 20 February 2016 07: 07
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      NATO-In the event of the outbreak of war between Turkey and Russia, NATO will not intervene.

      That alone is comforting.
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 20 February 2016 07: 23
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        NATO-In the event of the outbreak of war between Turkey and Russia, NATO will not intervene.

        That alone is comforting.


        will only supply arms to Erdogan ...
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 20 February 2016 08: 13
          +1
          Quote: BLOND
          will only supply arms to Erdogan

          As far as I know (maybe I'm wrong?) NATO, in the person of the states, supplies ISIS weapons. But in general, ISIS and Turkey are twin brothers, so there’s no difference. And you, blond, if you do not distinguish irony from serious, do not try to teach people who are older than you.
          1. BLOND
            BLOND 20 February 2016 09: 26
            0
            Quote: EvgNik
            Quote: BLOND
            will only supply arms to Erdogan

            As far as I know (maybe I'm wrong?) NATO, in the person of the states, supplies ISIS weapons. But in general, ISIS and Turkey are twin brothers, so there’s no difference. And you, blond, if you do not distinguish irony from serious, do not try to teach people who are older than you.


            And in which of the comments did I teach anyone something ...?
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      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 25
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        That alone is comforting.

        Do you believe the words of NATO officials?
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 20 February 2016 07: 54
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Do you believe the words of NATO officials?

          I believe your words.
  3. Aleksander
    Aleksander 20 February 2016 06: 00
    +3
    Kurds - a potential ally in the Middle East in political processes;


    Kurds on your mind. And they should only be partners, no more.
    1. Wolka
      Wolka 20 February 2016 06: 10
      +1
      one of the most sober views and assessments of the actual situation of the Kurds in the region, times are passing, but the Kurdish mentality is not changing in any way, its goal of creating its own state has remained a priority, and that’s all ...
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 20 February 2016 06: 23
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      Kurds on your mind. And they should only be partners, no more.

      East is a delicate matter.
      I’m afraid it wasn’t like the Afghans, whoever pays the most is at war, at the same time they don’t forget about their goals and objectives.
      So, only partners, and at arm's length, otherwise a knife in the back, is possible.
    3. SAM 5
      SAM 5 20 February 2016 06: 24
      +2
      And should only be partners, no more

      So no one calls them to friends. Here is the help from them real in land actions.
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 February 2016 06: 00
    0
    Yes, agree that the Kurds, this is important. Both we and the United States understand this. Yes, there will be not only political revenge for SU.
  5. venaya
    venaya 20 February 2016 06: 03
    +1
    “Why are they going to Russia at such a time? They consider it their moral duty to cooperate with those who have problems with Turkey, instead of act for the good of his people»

    Kurds and Turks are basically different nations. Caring for the Good of his people - does not mean caring for Turkey and Erdogan in the above privacy.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 February 2016 06: 03
    +1
    Another thing is who the Kurds will be the first friend, and who is the second. Here you need to quickly and accurately respond.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 06
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Another thing is who the Kurds will be the first friend, and who is the second.

      Yanukovych remembered that he also had friends No. 1 and No. 2.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 20 February 2016 06: 13
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , he also had friends number 1 and number 2.

        Gas mask and condom? wassat
        Hi drinks laughing exiled undead
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 19
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Gas mask and condom?

          Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk.
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Hello banished by the undead

          Hi Ruslan! I’ll shoot you lately, my asses and I feel the approach of a schucher. And I have it sensitive to such processes.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 February 2016 06: 24
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            ass and I feel the approach of a sheher. And I have it sensitive to such processes.

            I would immediately sit in your place for a doctoral dissertation-Ass as an indicator of fluctuations in geopolitics yes Although what You always have time to sit down laughing
            Decided to get out of the shadows request Patience burst reading garbage fool
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 26
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Decided to get out of the shadows

              What, you're not wanted anymore?
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Patience burst reading garbage

              Wait, Ruslan, today you’ll read a bunch of comments in which - A bayonet and a grenade, a little blood and on foreign territory fool
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 20 February 2016 06: 28
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                today you read a bunch of comments in which -

                Read my article about Petrusha yes It was the last straw am
  7. Telemon
    Telemon 20 February 2016 06: 05
    +1
    Hello! Russia has always (!) Maintained relations with Kurds at various levels, - I am SURE of this. So Erdoогan was hit hard however. All trawled from NATY at only a designation of cowardice.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 08
      0
      Quote: Telemont
      So Cho Erdogan was however hard.

      If Erdogan is reading your post now, he smiles.
      Quote: Telemont
      . All trawled from NATY at only a designation of cowardice.

      Well, yes, they never started a warrior, and if they did, it was from cowardice.
      1. Telemon
        Telemon 20 February 2016 07: 15
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If Erdogan is reading your post now, he smiles.

        Yes, and let him nod his head, I won’t be surprised ..:The media told how Erdogan was waiting for Putin near the toilet... ".... the heads of 147 states of the world, who came to the forum, worked, Turkish President Erdogan was "loitering" along the corridors. It turns out, writes Kolesnikov, all this time the Turkish President walked past the room "in which Vladimir Putin met first with Barack Obama, then with Xi Jinping, then with Angela Merkel, with Benjamin Netanyahu." I can’t with you, I laugh and do not choke ... laughing tongue
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 25
          0
          Quote: Telemont
          The media told how Erdogan was waiting for Putin near the toilet ...

          Was he afraid of going to the toilet that Putin was in?
          1. Telemon
            Telemon 20 February 2016 07: 38
            -1
            You are using your "power" to close my comments ... This is a manifestation of WEAKNESS !!! YES, and watch "Masha and the Bear", it helps ... it helped me .. repeat
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 07: 57
              0
              Quote: Telemont
              You are using your "power" to close my comments ... This is a manifestation of WEAKNESS !!!

              Lord one more fool
  8. Sirocco
    Sirocco 20 February 2016 06: 06
    +1
    Vladimir Putin, speaking about the downing of our plane by Turkey, let slip that despite the agreements with the Turkish president, from which Russia has some problems (not verbatim). This intrigued me, they say, what is there for that, what we have sacrificed for the sake of friendly relations with Erdogan? And apparently that's what it is, and I think not only that, there is something else.
    In the fall of 1994, Turkey agreed with Russia not to interfere in the affairs of the North Caucasus, in exchange for Russia's non-interference in the Kurdish problem. I must say that Russia kept its obligations, but Turkey did not hold them.

    I think that the Kurdish question in Turkey was a matter of time, it’s like hunting from a farm, who has better endurance, patience, and experience. Erdogan made a number of mistakes, and the game in the face of the Kurds can turn a hunter into his prey.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 20 February 2016 06: 12
    +2
    the author should have read E. Primakov's book "The Middle East ..." there is something to think about and not make hasty conclusions
  10. sl22277
    sl22277 20 February 2016 06: 13
    0
    The Kurdish people, first of all, are fighting for their primordial right to have their own state. Today, the Kurdish people, like the peoples of the entire region, have become just a "driving force", a special object of world interests in redistributing the world in a region where each participant in the process pursues its own goals. are becoming an increasingly significant factor at the crossroads of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 21
      +1
      Quote: sl22277
      Kurds are becoming an increasingly significant factor in the crossroads of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria.

      The significant factor now is Russia-Turkey and NATO behind Turkey. This is the whole factor that will dissolve solitaire.
  11. Balagan
    Balagan 20 February 2016 06: 13
    +2
    You can treat the Kurds as you like, but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a formula that has actually worked for centuries.
  12. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 February 2016 06: 27
    0
    In addition to the Kurds in Turkey, it was necessary to bet on other ethnic minorities in order to overthrow the Erdogan with their help.
  13. smith7
    smith7 20 February 2016 06: 28
    0
    The Kurdish factor is certainly important, but their goal is to create Kurdistan. Inside Syria and Turkey (most likely in these territories) Kurdistan will arise. In the future, this is the New Palestine ... How about this? I hope the media will not deceive us and the Kurdish "peshmerga" are fighting on our side. I personally respect them - brave people fight against oppressors. To this romantic image, just add a song like "Bella ciao", "Bandierra rossa" or "Guantanamera". Everything is not so simple and transparent, but the image of fighters for independence evokes sympathy. There are a lot of commercial interests intertwined, including Kurdish Russians. Supporting the Kurds is a murky matter, but so far the whole Kurds and Russia coincide Erdogan is one step away from declaring war (to whom?) Will Russia "sign" for the Kurds whom the Turks are exterminating in Syria?
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 20 February 2016 06: 38
      0
      brave people fight against oppressors

      But do they have another way? And now, just in time, the moment has come when you can solve your problems.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 February 2016 06: 40
        0
        Quote: SAM 5
        , the time has come when you can solve your problems.

        The time has come when the whole world will solve its problems created by politicians. Only they will sit in bunkers, and you (WE) will solve their problems. wassat
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 20 February 2016 07: 18
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Only they will sit in the bunkers

          I read recently (yes in VO, in my opinion) that the bunker will not save anyone. On the contrary, they will become burial grounds for those who took refuge in them. The vastness of the territory of Russia gives a greater chance of survival.
  14. morituri
    morituri 20 February 2016 06: 33
    0
    We are very late in this regard. This should have been done a year ago. The fact that the Turks feed the terrorists and buy the stolen Syrian oil EVERYONE knew !!! But we must not forget who is arming the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds-the United States !!! For them, the Kurds are an instrument of influence, and they will not miss this DUBINK in three countries - Turkey, Syria, Iraq and they.
  15. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 February 2016 06: 35
    +2
    It doesn’t matter what reasons and how many of them, the main thing is the political force with which you can agree, unlike Turkey itself, and which affects the region.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 February 2016 07: 01
    0
    What is it all alarmed? ERDOGAN TOLD what Obama told him over the phone ... And the Turkish media seized and replicated ... But what, Erdogan lied a little? And his lies have not yet been refuted from Hegemony. Or maybe they won’t refute it, because sometimes silence brings more than the most correct words. IMHO, in this matter, the main factor is NATO, which, in the event of Turkish aggression in Syria, WILL NOT defend Turkey. And Erdogash can swing the scimitar as much as he wants and jump on the podium - his own military men - will not want to get involved in such a war.
    And what can be the result, even if hypothetically, the Turks manage to capture something? Losses will be, as in a real war - without fools. Turkey really will be a state fighting on the side of Daesh. Which will lead to a split within Turkish society. Any decision from the UN Security Council will also be. It is unlikely that sanctions will be applied against Turkey - but ... It will not pass in vain.
    Kurds - this is a difficult question. My personal ambiguity is not in him.
    1. Foresterer
      Foresterer 20 February 2016 07: 47
      0
      Recently, NATO conducted a series of exercises, the results of which were not only not happy, but even shocked the inspectors. They’re not going to get into the war at a distance, but they’re definitely not going to face it, but they can push Erdogan. There isn’t much for that, he now sees help in every smile, except for Merkel, Poroshenko and Dzhemilev, no one gives smiles to this eastern miracle. And the Kurds probably got a real and big chance to find their state. The large number and good militancy of this people, plus the enormous hatred of Erdogan for most of the Kurds, are capable of much. If our weapons are still thrown and the Kurds of different colors unite, it will be a force that everyone will have to reckon with. Only this should be done by the Kurds here and now, maybe there will not be such a chance in the near future, therefore we need to be friends with the Kurds here and now. The layout is good for us - the Kurds will remember the good (I would like), Assad is ready to share the territory, we remain in the region, the Turks are tail-tailing, and Obama is limping further. But as they say, we'll see.
  17. Naum
    Naum 20 February 2016 08: 43
    +3
    You need to be friends with everyone - in your free time from war. The degree of "friendship" mb different, but this is the same "bad world" ... Today we are friends with Hungary, although the entire 20th century were enemies (1st and 2nd World War with each other, the rebellion was suppressed in 56). Moreover, they fought for destruction, they did not take prisoners of the Magyars (as at Voronezh). Everything is relative ... The situation is different - we are friends. The same goes for the Kurds. We need them now, they need us. "Bhai-bhai!" Someday we will be friends with Turkey, with others, but NEVER - with the insolent Saxons! This is a historical, eternal and most vile enemy of ours.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 20 February 2016 21: 15
      0
      Quote: Naum
      Today we are friends with Hungary


      Why? As they were enemies, they remained!
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  18. koralvit
    koralvit 20 February 2016 08: 49
    +2
    Yes, the Kurds need to be closer to each other, help them with weapons, ammunition. Erdogan must understand through the ass that Russia is more expensive to throw. And also help the Kurds create their own state or autonomy.
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 February 2016 10: 35
    0
    Today at work, I congratulated men on the upcoming holiday, and women have fathers, husbands and sons and wished them readiness to defend their home, family and Fatherland, received in return thanks from women and the wish "may you never have to defend your hearth with weapons in hands. " request And after that they tell me that the country and the people are ready for war?
  20. atamankko
    atamankko 20 February 2016 10: 36
    +1
    It is necessary to play the Kurdish card, it is now a trump card.
  21. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 20 February 2016 10: 45
    0
    Kurds need their own territory, their own country. Wait for the Turks, that part of their territory on the maps will be called Kurdistan.
  22. PValery53
    PValery53 20 February 2016 17: 35
    0
    "The Kurdish factor" Russia "will use" to expel Erdogan from power in Turkey. Let him know ours, you scoundrel!