Mass media: Sevmash ceases civilian production

The Northern Machine-Building Enterprise will cease civilian production and will fully concentrate on the fulfillment of the defense order, reports RIA News message of the newspaper "Izvestia".

“We have transferred all non-core projects to other shipyards. Floating nuclear power plant - at the Baltic plant in St. Petersburg. We provide warranty support of the Prirazlomnaya offshore ice-resistant stationary platform. Completed the production of premium class yacht hulls of the 113A project. The plant is fully focused on fulfilling the state defense order, ”a source at the enterprise told the newspaper.

“There is simply no power for civilian output,” he admitted. “In addition, the profit from the fulfillment of the state defense order is many times greater than civilian projects.”

According to the newspaper, “in the framework of the state defense order before 2020, the plant will build for the Navy a series of strategic nuclear cruisers of the 955 project of the Borey type, armed with the Bulava strategic missile system”. In addition, a series of multi-purpose nuclear submarines of the 885 "Ash" project is being built at Sevmash.

Help Agency: “Sevmash” is a Russian machine-building enterprise of the defense complex, located in the city of Severodvinsk (Arkhangelsk region). The company was originally called "Plant number 402". In 1959, the company was renamed the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise. Sevmash is located on the territory of more than 300 hectares and unites in its structure more than 100 divisions. The enterprise is Russia's largest shipyard. ”

Comments

[Pereira]

This is right. There is no need to scatter and spray power.
Again, unnecessary evidence that the shipyard was not even loaded for years, for decades.

[Now we are free]

In a good journey Guys, it's time to do what Your and make a shield of the motherland with 100% return.

P.S. It is gratifying to observe the RE-Conversion of our "Defense" 90s in reverse. Pah-pah-pah, so as not to jinx it!

[Pravdarm]

Quote: Now we are free

It is gratifying to observe the RE-Conversion of our "Defense" 90s in reverse.

Wow! And there it is, today, a joke conversion:

Governor of the Saratov region Valery Radaev today suggested to SEPO CEO Evgeny Reznik, which produces the Saratov refrigerator and aircraft engine control systems, to start releasing the American iPhone 7. And he did it seriously, in the presence of journalists, RIA Novosti writes.

Mobile refrigerators with iPhone features! Or vice versa!
In short - iSaraton, iSron, ...

[chikenous59]

Quote: Pravdarm

Governor of the Saratov region Valery Radaev today suggested to SEPO CEO Evgeny Reznik, which produces the Saratov refrigerator and aircraft engine control systems, to start releasing the American iPhone 7. And he did it seriously, in the presence of journalists, RIA Novosti writes.

What's so bad? new jobs, new iPhones at a cheaper price, access to technology. You look and our Yotophone will bring to mind.

[Temples]

profits from the implementation of state defense orders are many times greater than civilian projects

In this case, the main profit is a sound sleep in the country.

[PN]

Ha! Here you have not guessed!
There are just two points:
1) they build for a very long time and slowly (not because they do not know how, then the question is for the normalizers and, accordingly, for the salary)
2) proceeding from n1. the end products have, to put it mildly, "fabulous" prices.
That's the whole deal.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: PN

1) they build for a very long time and slowly (not because they do not know how, then the question is for the normalizers and, accordingly, for the salary)
2) proceeding from n1. the end products have, to put it mildly, "fabulous" prices.

Plus the notorious "isotherm".

And about the cost ... there are also skillfully signed contracts. The famous scandal surrounding chemical trucks for norgs was due to the fact that a contract for their construction was concluded at a fixed price of 2004. That's just the price of ship mechanisms and steel did not want to be fixed, but quickly crawled up.

[PN]

With chemical carriers is also a long story. But this company is famous for putting performers on grandmas for failure to meet deadlines. Okay, Sevmash was driven, so they also flashed South Koreans! And then they can build quickly and on time.

[lukewarm]

Quote: PN

long and slow

Is this not the same thing?

Quote: PN

here the question is to the normalizers and, accordingly, to the salary)

Not specifically in this area, but also an engineer. IMHO APRK is somewhat more complicated than an ocean yacht, and even with similar standards for basic work, there are different types of controls, steps and approvals above the roof. And this, yes, money and time. I agree with the previous commentator

In this case, the main profit is a sound sleep in the country.

[Dali]

Quote: PN

Ha! Here you have not guessed!

Well, if your interests are outside Russia, then you really have not guessed ...
What, bench press point recently

[EvgNik]

Quote: chikenous59

You look and our Yotophone will bring to mind.

Of course they will. In the end, you still get a refrigerator. Even possible with a display.

[Scout]

as one "Balorus" said, "I have to buy refrigerators with the Glonass system in Germany" is not an order

[Pereira]

No one will give access to technology.

[Tatyana]

Pereira
No one will give access to technology.

Of course it won’t. That's why all my life for the knowledge of other people's technologies and deeds, technical intelligence has existed in the world!
There, the Chinese! For them, business! Dismantled the imported product, as they are rumored to do, copied it and improved it!

[34 region]

Pereira! 11.05. We are not given access to military technology either. Other countries are prohibited from developing technologies such as nuclear, but in fact other technologies and industries. We have a lot of trouble about the inefficiency of state production. But in the competition of private and state (military) state-owned enterprises produce and sell competitive products. but the civil one is lame. They cannot even create a car for government officials. Shame! What to say about other industries. Therefore, looking at the defense industry, we can say: We can do everything. But! Need the will of leadership. The output of military products is the result of work, but stuffing pockets is another.

[cedar]

On the prevention of theft in public procurement
Vladimir Putin instructed to strengthen criminal liability to prevent theft in public procurement.
"Submit, in the prescribed manner, proposals for amending the legislation of the Russian Federation, providing for increased criminal liability and increased efficiency of other mechanisms to prevent theft in the procurement of goods, works, services to meet state and municipal needs," the instruction says.
The Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev was appointed responsible, the deadline is October 1, 2016.

[cedar]

On the prevention of theft in public procurement
Vladimir Putin instructed to strengthen criminal liability to prevent theft in public procurement.
"Submit, in the prescribed manner, proposals for amending the legislation of the Russian Federation, providing for increased criminal liability and increased efficiency of other mechanisms to prevent theft in the procurement of goods, works, services to meet state and municipal needs," the instruction says.
The Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev was appointed responsible, the deadline is October 1, 2016.

WHAT IS IT FOR..?

[minus]

Our simplest mobile phones are not able to produce normally, and you are talking about an iPhone ... "Without a serious question, there will be no rapid movement forward. Why are neighbors from the near and non-near abroad agreeing to this? And we immediately begin to believe that we do not have enough ( We have enough money, the most important thing would be brains. And we have them. Come on, take this question to your attention, the instruction of the asset, here we ask you, "- said the head of the region.
* brains would be the most important thing * - here it is the main idea from the message of the governor. Unfortunately, this is not enough for most officials!

[chikenous59]

Quote: Minus

Our simplest mobile phones are not able to produce normally

And what is Yotafon worse? normal device) Already tried

[UNFAMILIAR]

Quote: chikenous59

Quote: Minus

Our simplest mobile phones are not able to produce normally

And what is Yotafon worse? normal device) Already tried

Yotafon is produced in Taiwan, the only mobile phone we were going to have was Alcatel, it was assembled without a conveyor in St. Petersburg on the bypass channel, the joint venture was quickly closed, and all sorts of sirocco were originally assembled from Singapore to northern China (if anyone else has mobile phones read the information with pleasure) And as for the "Main Imperial Plant" (SevMash), I was not there (though I communicated and worked with his former welders), now I worked at the "Headed Imperial Plant" (Baltic Plant, I didn't know for sure , but I guessed that SevMash is bigger and more powerful), unfortunately, sad thoughts about economic construction in the Russian Federation, news, it is news, it’s like it started raining, the day came ... this is understandable, in 5 million St. Petersburg Baltic personnel not staffed, but what about Severodvinsk with Arkhangelsk, and Arkhangelsk is not "on the next street", although they drive ... than drilling platforms, albeit with Dutch superstructures or tidal power stations, are worse Am I a product for USC?

[Scout]

Well, not in iPhones alone

[chikenous59]

Quote: Scout

Well, not in iPhones alone

I talked about Yotafon

[mav1971]

Quote: Scout

Well, not in iPhones alone

Do you know.
Of course, happiness is not in iPhones
A fortune at a company that makes and sells iPhones.
If our company made iPhones, then it would bring annually profits in 50-55 of billions of dollars.
It is dollars.
With this money for the year, it would be possible to build 25 Boreev or Ashen.
500 PAK-FA
1000 Armata tanks.
And this is only for a year.

For example, our property of Gazprom - only 3 billion profit.
And at the current rate - already 2.

4 companies with profit levels such as Apple, and our whole country could not pay taxes at all ... And even bribes would not bother us ...

"something like that" -)

[mav1971]

missed the toe in tanks. :)
10000 (ten thousand) Armata tanks.

[bk316]

Quote: mav1971

then it would bring annually profits of 50-55 billion dollars.

Would not bring. Apple’s profit is 50 billion, but it’s not because it makes iPhones, but because it sells.
In other words, if our company made iPhones, they would not have bought them.
However, I bet, iPhones will soon stop buying, because an iPhone is not a phone, it's a piece of steve, and Steve is dead.

[Altona]

Quote: Minus

Our simplest mobile phones are not able to produce normally, and you're talking about an iPhone ...

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The Germans also do not produce mobile phones ... All of their Siemens and Telefunken failed miserably, and now they also work only in a narrow segment of household appliances, and their widespread TVs and audio systems are complete bullshit.

[gergi]

Do efrny instead of nuclear submarines? There will be no nuclear submarines and no one will need iPhones.

[lukewarm]

Quote: Minus

We have the simplest mobile phones not able to produce normally, and you're talking about iPhone ..

Yes, technically able. Next is the question of price and market. For this to be profitable, you need a large market. But he has already been captured and no one will give him back. When the rest of the countries made a breakthrough in this direction, we selflessly shot the parliament, privatized, closed the radio factories and built Gorbushkin yards in their place. Continue? About any serious production undertakings (such as a plant for the production of mobile phones) - I am silent already, it has set my teeth on edge. Taxes, heavy credit will kill everything in the bud. Only screwdriver assembly in the country of the colony, "only hardcore", ep ​​..

[bk316]

All right, but somehow in a bunch

Quote: unwillingly

already a big market. But he has already been captured and no one will give him back.

Quote: unwillingly

Taxes, heavy credit will kill everything in the bud.

[bk316]

Quote: Minus

We have the simplest mobile phones not able to produce normally, and you're talking about iPhone

The iPhone is the simplest mobile phone, there is nothing technically breakthrough in it and never was.

[kuz363]

Brains especially and nothing to do with. There is such a concept - serial production. Therefore, if you create a product at the world level of development, then large series should be produced for a competitive price. And how with an iPhone to break into the world market, even at a lower price, if there is an excess of them? The same goes for civilian aircraft. How to sell several dozen Superjets for export if all the niches have long been occupied? Boeings and Airbuses produce hundreds of pieces per year. With more aircraft, it is easier to make a lower price. Or the production of chips. They need to be produced in millions of pieces a year, because part goes to marriage, the best part - to military production. And the rest is not needed completely by Russia; export is needed. And who will take the CHIPS if the niches are occupied by Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China .... Therefore, their own CHIPS will be ten times more expensive than the imported ones. If military production - then they don’t look at costs. But civil unprofitable

[RPG_]

Lenovo will not give the assembly of iPhones to anyone)))

[mav1971]

Quote: RPG_

Lenovo will not give the assembly of iPhones to anyone)))

They are made by Hong Hai incorporated.
At their plants, Fawkson and Pegatron.
And also Whistron.


Lenovo is completely unacceptable here.

[niki233]

it’s all good only if it hadn’t been so painful yet, when in the Saratov region there wasn’t such a stupid leader, and SEPO-ZEM has been working for a long time at the direction of the states

[mav1971]

Quote: niki233

it’s all good only if it hadn’t been so painful yet, when in the Saratov region there wasn’t such a stupid leader, and SEPO-ZEM has been working for a long time at the direction of the states

but you normally read the news, you do not understand. what did the Saratov governor say with obvious sarcasm in this news then? And about the iPhone precisely as a reason for that. that the plant management needs to move its thighs and cerebellum. to learn how to sell.

[donavi49]

Well, release an iPhone on a bucket, with some thread processor, inferior matrix, etc. - a lot of mind is not needed. The Chinese are doing them for every taste and here all the niches are already occupied.

Releasing your own nibbling market for giants is already a lot harder. How many years ago did you learn about Meizu? And now they are competing worldwide with Samsung in sales. This is a Chinese company, with the Chinese line of smartphones of all classes, without any clones. Or Huawei - which also burst into the market, at one time held the championship for the most productive serial phone in the world.

[lelikas]

Quote: donavi49

How many years ago did you learn about Meizu?

Today.

[mav1971]

Quote: donavi49

Well, release an iPhone on a bucket, with some thread processor, inferior matrix, etc. - a lot of mind is not needed. The Chinese are doing them for every taste and here all the niches are already occupied.

Releasing your own nibbling market for giants is already a lot harder. How many years ago did you learn about Meizu? And now they are competing worldwide with Samsung in sales. This is a Chinese company, with the Chinese line of smartphones of all classes, without any clones. Or Huawei - which also burst into the market, at one time held the championship for the most productive serial phone in the world.

Meizu competes only in the Chinese market.
Just like Mikromask. Intex and Lava.
tens of millions but only in India and nowhere else.
And they should not be compared with Samsung.
They are far behind on a global scale at the level of error.

But the Chinese got out many.
1 place by quantity - Samsung - a quarter of the market.
2 Apple place - 15%.
3 place - Huawei - 10%.
4-5-6 - Xiaomi, Lenovo / Motorola, LG.

BBK (Vivo) 3.5%,
TCL (Alcatel) 3.5%,
Oppo 3%,
ZTE 2.5%,
Sony 2.0%,
Microsoft 1.7%,
Meizu, Coolpad, ASUS - about 1% of the market.

By the way, the trick is that Apple, which has only 15% of the market, has 92% of the profit of this entire market.
Not revenue, but profit.
Those. everyone does the same thing and slowly dies.
No profit - no future.

[gergi]

IPhone brain. The diagnosis is severe. The patient is incurable.

[Vadim237]

Rather, they will be able to establish the production of refrigerators with the design of the iPhone.

[derik1970]

The release of the iPhone7 is essentially a new plant that needs to be built, no one will sell the technology, and if they sell "where is the money Zin", the equipment for the technology will also not get money + sanctions. Our electronics, the elemental base have reliably died, piece proces like Elbrus do not cut it, it's all piecemeal, the last century, in fact, garbage ... What we do in China on Chinese equipment is not serious, from ours there is only paper on which a cooperation agreement was signed. In itself, the production of electronics, the element base is the chemical industry, physics and alloys, and the hell knows what else, not to mention mathematics. I hope you noticed that Chubais does not need all this, but the state, respectively. The entire policy of the state consists only in the fact that they dug up resources, sold them over the hill, and that's it, money for your pocket. In our country, in some fields, almost everything that is on the list of the periodic table is mined, but zero sense from this. Thank you, of course, that the current government decided to protect themselves and their incomes and at the same time the whole country from the overseas enemy and began to somehow restore the army. But how long it will last, it is not known who will come to power tomorrow, there these liberals are like sawdust in a sawmill. And I am sure that those in power, first of all, protect their incomes, and the population is here insofar as it turned out to be nearby. And any governor is often worse than a fascist, so he conducts a policy in the region that there is no need for traitors. Huber from Saratov decided to promote himself, maybe he hopes to get money from the budget so that he can drink and shrug it off, the scoundrels know that they will forgive them ... In general, it would not be bad in our country to produce the same cell phones, but who will need them a big question, everything will be like gasoline for their more expensive. By themselves, private traders will not pull such a project to fill their pocket and the governors will plunder. The Coca-Cola produced in our country, Pepsi-Cola is not needed in Egypt, they make their own there, or for some reason they will bring it to us from there and not vice versa.

[bk316]

Quote: derik1970

The release of iPhone7 is essentially a new plant that needs to be built, no one will sell technology,

Ale, gentlemen. What are you writing about? This is me who is all about iPhone7.

You can not buy technology and release the iPhone. All manufactured iPhones are owned by Apple. Even if you already have all the technologies or even an order of magnitude cooler than Apple, you still can not release the iPhone.

Even worse, even if you already have an iPhone from somewhere, you cannot sell it without Apple’s permission, which means you cannot make money.

And you taxes, high rates, no one will let you enter the global market with other people's developments. You can start to unwind with it as the huvei started faking tsiska, and alas, become a leader.
So you need to make rocket engines, airframes, sell oil and slowly invest for example in circuitry.

By the way

Quote: derik1970

our electronics, the element base has reliably died, piece processes like Elbrus cannot be cut, it's all piece, the last century, in fact, garbage.

here you are wrong, but what does Sevmash have to do with it?

[AdekvatNICK]

not only to the mind, but also to an affordable price

[Vladimir65]

This we have already passed. Homobiles from Prokhorov, tablets for schoolchildren from Chubais, and other Yotofons have already been seen. But for the time being, it’s only good that they developed or began to develop in the USSR.

[cedar]

Read the newspapers. What do they write about these pocket spies ... Is it the first time you hear about the police mode of your smartphone?
Radaev is happy that in the end it would be for each of our army men from the Commander-in-Chief to a soldier on an American smartphone, only then will our army be controlled not from the NCO on Frunze Embankment of the river. Moscow, and from the Pentagon to Patomak.

[Corsair]

Quote: Pravdarm

In short - iSaraton, iSron, ...

rather iSrun or iTupen ... It remains only to amers and Chinese to persuade them to transfer production to us ... how can Lavrov not be remembered here?

[Michael67]

We did the right thing. There is nothing to squander the power. And then around us here "friends" are a handful. Must be greeted with honor.

[PKK]

The Great Man manages such a huge Sevmash farm! 100 subdivisions. It's good that there are such people.

[Nahum]

Not "friends" yet, but "partners". With such "friends" and enemies are not necessary! A flock of jackals led by Sher Khan, a cloud of crows and everyone wants to eat ... But only Russia can choke. Forever and ever. This "partners" and enrages. Again, they will start to undermine the country from within, if it is impossible from the outside. What if there is a new Judas "Gorby-2"? And the new "Eltsin" -alkonaut ...

[34 region]

Naum! 11.10. That is the question. No fortress can stand if Gorbachev sits inside. And all the weapons will be powerless in front of Gorbachev, who with a wide gesture will open the gate: Come in, dear guests. Give money, you will become the master!

[midivan]

Quote: Naum

What if there is a new Judas "Gorby-2"? And the new "Eltsin" -alkonaut ...

so they already have their turn, Kasyanov, Kasparov, Ch. Morik, former Yukos (flew out of his head to call) these nits got their mouths for the election yes enough reptiles just fight back from them

[Belousov]

The Kasyanovs, Kasparovs and others are just a riffraff, working out her 30 pieces of silver, no one will follow them anyway, at the slightest kneading they will either knock over the cordon or be pulled up on the very first bitch. In fact, they are not doing anything supernatural, they are just making good use of the failures of our government (although what kind of our government is it if it pursues an openly anti-Russian policy?). Is there corruption in the country? Eat, blooms luxuriantly, cultivated and reared, especially at the highest level. Is there a collapse of medicine, education, and industry? Yes, and for the sake of foreign corporations. So with such "rulers" and the fifth column is not needed, they themselves are falling apart.

[Gray-haired]

Such "friends" must be met with a memorial prayer! I mean, the team is not Fire !, but Amen!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Now we are free

In a good way, Guys, it's time to do what yours and do the shield of the homeland with 100% return.

I'm certainly an optimist by nature, but ... the defense budget, cut by 150 billion. what will we build the same ships on? and modernize? all the same, the "needle" makes itself felt, no matter how "they ponte", we are waiting for the next "taxes" and "price increases" for toilet paper ...

[GSH-18]

Mass media: Sevmash ceases civilian production

It is very good! My full support for such a solution

[Coconut Tima]

The Pyotr Veliky heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser will receive Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missiles during the modernization scheduled for 2019-2022 (at Sevmash), a source in the shipbuilding industry told TASS on Friday. Zircon's parameters are secret. Open sources indicate that the range of the new rocket can be up to 400 kilometers, and its flight speed will be about five times the speed of sound. Now the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, of the same type as the Peter the Great, is undergoing modernization. It is expected to return to service in 2018.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Tim Coconuts

anti-ship missiles "Zircon"

I also read in the news, tried to find information, there were only links to a Western source, and even then hypothetical. It would be interesting to read.

[Altona]

Quote: Pereira

This is right. There is no need to scatter and spray power.

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Find and shoot customers for premium yachts. Return the money to the treasury, for the needs of our army and navy.

[APASUS]

Quote: Pereira

This is right. There is no need to scatter and spray power.
Again, unnecessary evidence that the shipyard was not even loaded for years, for decades.

Moreover, Crimea is now happy to take on these orders, and other shipyards in the civilian sector are not particularly busy

[cniza]

“There is simply no power for civilian output,” he admitted. “In addition, the profit from the fulfillment of the state defense order is many times greater than civilian projects.”

And it can expand and increase productivity.

[Pereira]

Theoretically yes.
But I would like to hear from Arkhangelogorodtsy, is there any shipyard where to expand physically?
And yet, if the country has underloaded capacities, for example in Kerch, it is necessary to load them. It will be cheaper and faster.

[VP]

But will the state have enough money to load all the capacities that can be reached?
The Defense Ministry recently announced a five percent cut in spending this year.

[umah]

But I would like to hear from Arkhangelogorodtsy, is there any shipyard where to expand physically?

You have to ask the residents of Severodvinsk, 50 km to Arkhangelsk. Physically, there is nowhere to expand, both Sevmash and Zvezdochka come close to the city. But it's not a problem. The plant has enough space. Not enough staff. They bring welders and corpusters from other regions. As with engineers, the situation is not in the know, but the institute will certainly graduate them.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: umah

The factory has enough space. Not enough frames

I have not only experience but also all the necessary approvals to work on the body as a welder and twelve years of experience as a turner. Once I was unemployed and decided to bump into searches in factories. Options with shipbuilders fell away primarily due to the fact that there is no sensible arrangement with housing and food, often there is one but there is no other, sometimes there is both, but this is more like a mockery of people, and I primarily care about comfort. In principle, you can spit on their concept of providing shift workers and rent private housing, but again, it wasn’t there. For this you need to adjust your budget and wage requirements. As a result, he made a couple of calls and, a week later, packed his bags in anticipation of the next voyage on the ship’s crew with a salary of 2000 American rubles per month
In general, what I wanted to say by this, it is not necessary to engage in rants about the shortage of labor personnel; it is necessary to create easily accessible and comfortable jobs, to ensure an acceptable salary. There are always free experienced personnel and talented young recruits, but so far no one is trying to interest them.

[TVM - 75]

Fair remark! At one time, I had to change my specialty because in the shipbuilding industry the issue of housing for workers was not completely resolved. After seven years of searching, he decided to change shipbuilding.

[hartlend]

Engineers have not been released for a long time. More and more specialists, bachelors and masters. Ugh, abusive words.

[serg1970]

But I would like to hear from Arkhangelogorodtsy, is there any shipyard where to expand physically?

Exactly physical opportunity is not there. On one side of the Strait of Sevmash with TPP-1, on the other Zvyozdochka. Further depths do not allow. Unless to wash.

[Temples]

And yet, if the country has underloaded capacities, for example in Kerch, it is necessary to load them. It will be cheaper and faster.

And then from Krech to transport finished products of the Borey type to the Pacific Fleet by barges.

[Altona]

Quote: Pereira

And yet, if the country has underloaded capacities, for example in Kerch, it is necessary to load them.

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Are premium yachts easier to do there? A surface vessel and technology is not a god news what any welding plant can do. In the 90s, I saw how 17 and 24 meter yachts were made at the crane equipment factory for nouveau riches along the Volga, the add-on was taken in Peter-moldings, deck boards, rigging, sails, an echo sounder and airborne equipment, the Mitsubishi 144 or 186 h.p.

[Pig]

"And it can expand and increase productivity"
and where to get skilled workers? they even have nowhere to learn because in the 90s hundreds of specialized vocational schools were closed ... there are no teachers or training facilities ...
gastrobiteurs and money you can’t solve this problem; you need to re-create the Soviet system of vocational education ...

[cniza]

If you don’t start today (prepare personnel) tomorrow they will not appear, there is a demand, it’s time.

[dvina71]

Quote: Pig

and where to get skilled workers? they even have nowhere to learn because in the 90s hundreds of specialized vocational schools were closed.

The school that prepares specialists for the NSR works fine. The community is crammed. In addition, there is a specialized technical school (college) and institute. So what's past.

[Pig]

Does the school work? for such a plant will not be enough!
Soviet system for training workers:
Vocational school-technical school-university - if one link falls out the system is covered with a copper basin ...
I do not know for Arkhangelsk, I judge by my city: the vocational school was closed, the technicians were converted into "colleges" and now they teach lawyers-economists ... The Polytechnic seems to be ticking, but how many will scrape together 90000-100000 to educate their children?
but now in the reviving factories (in those not many that have not had time to cut into metal) there is a catastrophic lack of skilled workers ...
you can’t prepare a class turner (for example) in one year - you learn this all your life, from 14-15 years (i.e. with vocational schools) and improve your qualifications all your life
thus 10 years is needed only to prepare sensible shots

[Sergej1972]

In technical universities, there are now good control figures for admission to budget places. By the way, in all state universities without exception, most students study on a budgetary basis.

[chikenous59]

Quote: Pig

Does the school work? for such a plant will not be enough!

Do you know how much this school produces annually and what is the company's need?

[gya456]

Quote: Pig

and where to get skilled workers? they even have nowhere to learn because in the 90s hundreds of specialized vocational schools were closed ... there are no teachers or training facilities ...

I completely agree! But now, for example, we have a chemical plant, has long taken vocational schools to its balance sheet where they train specialists for the plant and students prepare for the professions needed by the plant and then almost all of them are employed. Perhaps in our conditions this way of training personnel has the right to life, and so many enterprises should do so rather than expect the city authorities to open new schools. establishments for city-forming plants under socialism.

[Pig]

"I have taken vocational school on my balance for a long time"
it used to be ... factories kept educational institutions, infrastructure facilities on the balance sheet ... in the 90s it all went under the hammer now and you won’t find any ends (

[chikenous59]

Quote: Pig

"I have taken vocational school on my balance for a long time"
it used to be ... factories kept educational institutions, infrastructure facilities on the balance sheet ... in the 90s it all went under the hammer now and you won’t find any ends (

Do not catch up terribly. If everything in your city is not sweet, then this does not mean that the country is the same * oops.

[Pig]

"in some of your city not everything is sweet, it does not mean that the country is the same * oops"
and no one is catching up ... just a statement of fact! And this despite the fact that now it is not a priest at all, the priest was 10 years ago - complete and unconditional ... but now it seems as if they realized it - but it turned out that breaking - not building, and, as it turned out, you can't send a "manager" or "lawyer" work in production and you can't even retrain. artisans need to be trained almost from elementary school
and how is my city Orenburg different from other cities, is it in another country or what?

[chikenous59]

Quote: Pig

and how is my city Orenburg different from other cities, is it in another country or what?

Well, depending on what to compare) If with Moscow, then many cities are as if in another country. In fact, how many traveled around the country, the development of cities is very different. Many people judge their problems by their region, but if you call in a neighboring region, then this problem may not be there, but there are others)
In the whole country, not everything is so bad with the staff.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: chikenous59

Do not catch up terribly. If everything in your city is not sweet, then this does not mean that the country is the same * oops.

why only in him? we have the same situation in the nearest cities too.

[chikenous59]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

why only in him? we have the same situation in the nearest cities too.

Well, we don’t have such a problem, so it’s not bad everywhere.

[Mavrikiy]

It's time to get down to business.

[PKK]

Shops of salad color, probably this is the most successful color in that climate. And the appetite is exciting.

[Armored optimist]

I hope that the cartridge, shell and missile plants will soon switch to three-shift work. Alas! MV can not be avoided! need to prepare.

[cniza]

This is you who are going to fight with?

[Artyom]

Si vis pacem, para bellum "if you want peace - prepare for war"

[Artyom]

late, have been working for a long time!

[chikenous59]

Quote: Artyom

late, have been working for a long time!

Especially those involved in the production of cruise missiles

[chikenous59]

Quote: [b

Broneoptimist [/ b]] I hope that the cartridge, shell and missile plants will soon switch to three-shift work. Alas! MV can not be avoided! need to prepare.

Some of you are a bad optimist))))

[Mavrikiy]

“As part of the state defense order by 2020, the plant will build for the Navy a series of strategic nuclear cruisers of Project 955 of the Borey type

Yes, I am with both hands. Socks obviously ....

[PKK]

It is said that profits from the defense industry are orders of magnitude greater than from civilian products.

[barclay]

Military orders will always be. Not domestic, so foreign. You need to keep your niche in the market.
A specialized machine is always better and more reliable than a "combine". This can also be attributed to an industrial enterprise.

[gya456]

it seems that military orders will now never go into oblivion, if you don’t say it goes to confrontation and just like that it will not resolve, much regret ... Therefore, today the right decision, and then we will see, but I hope 90- e, when the defense industry was simply thrown and thrown into the arms of the Americans, to which it led everyone to remember and Ukrainians are now passing this lesson!

[Primus pilus]

All right, the state defense order is of higher priority.

[Mikhail m]

Finally, the pots stopped riveting.

[FID]

Completed the production of hulls of premium yachts of project 113A.

This was especially pleasing ... By the way, can you find out the customers of these orders?

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: SSI

By the way, and customers of these orders, you can find out?

Sergey Ivanovich, and you need it, with your 2 form of admission? This information is among the most protected guesthouses in our current state.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: SSI

This was especially pleasing ... By the way, can you find out the customers of these orders?

I’m embarrassed to ask, for what purpose are you interested? Do you have a dream to be on that list? And do not expect !!!

[FID]

Quote: Hedgehog

Too shy to ask,

Do not hesitate! I will not be on this list, and I do not think to hope, I am a communist, not an adherent of a lordly lifestyle, I have worked honestly all my life and have not earned a shisha, except for my pension ... And I am interested in order to learn about the "masters of life" of the present ...

[Ezhaak]

Quote: SSI

I'm interested in learning about the "masters of life" of the current ...

Oh, come on! On occasion, I can tell you about the "masters of life" in the position of the secretary of the district committee of the party in the early / mid 70's and the like. It's just as interesting. Moreover, they were actively putting noodles on the ears of ordinary communists. The current ones, especially, from those of the ancients, do not differ.

[VP]

It is possible, and most likely, customers abroad.
And why, by the way, pleased?
If only military orders remain, this means that all development is carried out only at the expense of military orders and not a penny is earned from the outside, i.e. calculation only on the budget.

[V.ic]

"First thing, first thing, planes ..."

[Victor-M]

Everything, kapets, now Chirikov will be left without a frying pan!

[BOB48]

this is not buzzing - the rearmament program will end and again reduction and unemployment!

[vanavatny]

the rearmament process is endless, while the state is alive, or they would still wave clubs

[spinner]

Already go to the Uralvagonzavod

[vitaliy.rnd]

The chef must fry cutlets, and the hairdresser cut people. So everything is right and finally.

[mojohed2012]

"Morons b ..." Lavrov said correctly. The defense is eternal as long as we are threatened and there are wars in the world.
Let's not be like those for whom he said this - those who "support conversion".

[triglav]

Right. We must work on the profile!

[sodick]

I'm sorry. This shows not the growth of state defense orders, but how much the number of workers in the enterprise has decreased. The state defense order may cease at any time, as has already happened, therefore the release of civilian products is necessary. Our company is faced with this. Due to the shortage of workers, civilian products were cut back, as a result of which consumers were lost who switched to other enterprises, and now we are looking for what to do with people.

[dvina71]

Quote: sodick

I'm sorry. This shows not the growth of state defense orders, but how much the number of workers in the enterprise has decreased.

Not how much it has not decreased. For many years, the deficit in SPM has persisted in staff.

[bk316]

And in the Admiralty too

[vmo]

That is right. There is no need to scatter and spray power.
Perfectly said !!!!

[Siberia 9444]

In our difficult times, the Chkalovsky Plant made motor boats, but now it’s only the SU34 bombers and is modernizing the SU24

[AlexTires]

yeah, just wonderful, the most important thing is that the reduction of the military budget by 5 percent does not affect the work of the enterprise ...

[Sergej1972]

The reduction does not apply to the Strategic Missile Forces and the strategic submarine fleet.

[demo]

“There is simply no power for civilian output,” he admitted. “In addition, the profit from the fulfillment of the state defense order is many times greater than civilian projects.”

That's what is strange.
Instead of saving budget money and not making multiple profits, they boast about it.
All over the world - third-party orders - they will rip off three skins, for their own it is a normal price.
And what is it with us?

Of course, against the backdrop of the statement of the Red Demon, this is an innocent statement.
But still!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: demo

Instead of saving budget money and not making multiple profits, they boast about it

There is something else, most likely. I believe that for civilian orders profitability is lower than low, they were taken for them at a time when there was no normal state defense order from complete hopelessness. Do you think that the kings who order premium yachts pay royally for them? I think you don’t think so.
And for GOZ - there is profit, not that huge, but stable

[kapitan281271]

Quote: sodick

I'm sorry. This shows not the growth of state defense orders, but how much the number of workers in the enterprise has decreased. The state defense order may cease at any time, as has already happened, therefore the release of civilian products is necessary. Our company is faced with this. Due to the shortage of workers, civilian products were cut back, as a result of which consumers were lost who switched to other enterprises, and now we are looking for what to do with people.

This shows the lack of production capacity, mattress and battleships were built and "Liberty" figured one or two a day. It is clear that the defense industry is a priority, but commercial products are also needed, all these tales that you can have a powerful defense capability with a weak economy in favor of ******, the USSR won the war not only thanks to the massive heroism of the people, but also because the volume of production surpassed the Reich, and this was already a talent and I am not afraid of this word - the courage of the famous Stalinist People's Commissars Ustinovs, Kosygins, Shakhurins, etc. and so on, and today, to my deepest regret, we have denim Manturov, Dvorkovich Ulyukayev, Chubais. The country's security are two main pillars: an army with a military-industrial complex and a powerful economy.

[Pitot]

Apparently, a big boom is planned to boom - that's urgent and getting ready. Right. It is high time

[dchegrinec]

This is a very good deal! Everyone should do what he is designed for!

[complete zero]

Would everything be great if only later military technologies (still not pots and teapots) seriously affected civilian products?

[cokol-xnumx]

When all strategic military enterprises switch to the state defense order, this will be a great joy for me, they will be engaged in what they were built for, to strengthen the defense power of Russia, and I hope the news from Sevmash is pleasant, because in this unstable world it is necessary to urgently re-arm and strengthen ...

[bk316]

Not the first one.
In the Admiralteyskys, they work in 3 shifts; they are not allowed to retire.
TRV is generally sewn up.
I think the manufacturers of calibers and iskanders also work only on the main production.

[bk316]

Not the first one.
In the Admiralteyskys, they work in 3 shifts; they are not allowed to retire.
TRV is generally sewn up.
I think the manufacturers of calibers and iskanders also work only on the main production.

[Algetxnumx]

Quote: Pig

Vocational school-technical school-university - if one link falls out the system is covered with a copper basin ...
I do not know for Arkhangelsk, I judge by my city: the vocational school was closed, the technicians were converted into "colleges" and now they teach lawyers-economists ... The Polytechnic seems to be ticking, but how many will scrape together 90000-100000 to educate their children?

Yes, almost everywhere there is such a situation, we in Ryazan had a machine-tool technical school, now a college, but the funniest or most bitter thing is that the machine-tool plant itself no longer exists, and the turner works for a relative, I started my labor activity with him, as he came from the army then he was already aged, and this was 1987. My friend's dad and turner and locksmith, in general, "golden hands", over 70, works, the leadership "for God's sake" asks for more work.

[Bacha]

Quote: Temples

profits from the implementation of state defense orders are many times greater than civilian projects

In this case, the main profit is a sound sleep in the country.

Sure! This is called industry mobilization. The word mobilization is not necessary to explain? Very well Shaposhnikov wrote about her. This is a big step towards war. Knowledgeable people will just start to sleep restlessly.

[chikenous59]

Quote: Bacha

Knowledgeable people will just start to sleep restlessly.

Knowledgeable people in the exercises have been disappearing for several years
Someone in Syria is gaining experience ...

[doework]

Nothing, everything will work out! Everyone must do their job!
The trouble is, if the cobbler starts the cakes,
And the boots stitch the pastry,

The main thing is that the new Chubais, Serdyukovs, Vasilievs and other "optimizers" who are capable of leading and ditching everything they touch do not "surface"!

[hellriker]

And here in vain. There are defense orders today, but not tomorrow. Money is not superfluous.

[oppositioner]

All this strongly resembles the years 1938-40.

[Bacha]

Quote: opozitioner

All this strongly resembles the years 1938-40.

I mean the same...

[Ramzes33]

Mass media: Sevmash ceases civilian production

Glad to such a decision. Yes, and the Baltic plant will be loaded.

[dzzen]

That's right, stop letting the pans out, you need to focus on R&D and the release of the shield and sword for Russia.

[da Vinci]

"the profit from the fulfillment of the state defense order is many times higher than civil projects", i.e. the production of military products is more profitable. Maybe this is the answer to the question about the high final cost of weapons for the army (or the same "Vostochny" cosmodrome). So the princelings from the military-industrial complex rip off the budget for the sake of their own enrichment. IMHO

[HAM]

I don’t know how anyone, but for some reason I trust more power tools from Energomash, for example, than “made in China”, or satellite dishes “Gradient” .. !!!

[MATROSKIN-53]

God grant that everything will go back to normal. So that the inscription "Made in Russia" means - world quality, reliability, competitiveness.

[Zomanus]

The news is good. It’s time to forge a sword without breaking into any yachts.
And it seems that production in the country is no longer hiding
on military tracks.
Damn, 20 year ... it's just not long left.

[ism_ek]

There are simply no civil orders. The crisis in the country. Loans are expensive. Private customers do not build ships. :(

[Severodvinsk]

Oh, native plant)))

[123321]

The legendary Sevmash - the only company in the country - a manufacturer of nuclear submarines - stops producing premium class yachts and offshore platforms. According to a Izvestia source at the enterprise, “there is simply no strength for it”: the profit from fulfilling the state defense order is many times greater than civilian projects.

Sevmash is the largest shipyard in the North-West of Russia. In its two cyclopean workshops - No. 50 and No. 55 - six nuclear submarines can be built at a time. As part of the state defense order, until 2020, the plant will build for the Navy a series of strategic nuclear cruisers of the Borey project, type 955, armed with the Bulava strategic missile system. In the future, eight of these ships should form the basis of the marine grouping of nuclear deterrence forces.

The lead ship of the series - “Yuri Dolgoruky” - is part of the Northern Fleet, the second - “Alexander Nevsky” - as part of the Pacific Fleet, the third - “Vladimir Monomakh” - passed state tests, is preparing to transfer to the fleet. The fourth - “Prince Vladimir” and the fifth - “Prince Oleg” - are under construction. At the end of this year, as Izvestia was informed at the enterprise, the cruiser Generalissimus Suvorov will be laid down, and in 2017, the Emperor Alexander III. It is planned to complete the construction of the series in 2018.

In addition to submarine missile carriers, Sevmash is constructing a series of multi-purpose strike submarines of project 885 of the Yasen type. These ships are designed for raiding operations on maritime communications. Almost silent in the deep ocean, they are equally effective against transports, warships, and can launch cruise missile attacks on enemy coastal infrastructure.

The Russian Navy has only one boat of the Yasen project - Severodvinsk. Three more: “Kazan”, “Novosibirsk” and “Krasnoyarsk” - are in the shop of the Severodvinsk machine-building enterprise with varying degrees of readiness. In July, on the Day of the Navy, another boat will be laid, which is supposed to receive the name Arkhangelsk. In total, until 2020, it is planned to lay seven submarines of this type.

The Ash-tree project is one of the most closed and expensive projects in the development program of the Navy and the state armament program as a whole. Unlike the latest fourth-generation strategic submarine-carrier missiles of the Borey type 955 — Yuri Dolgoruky and Alexander Nevsky, for which the equipment and mechanisms used for the first time make up no more than 40%, the Kazan submarine has all control systems and nodes are completely new, never used before. This is a completely new high-tech equipment, which has no analogues in the Soviet and Russian military shipbuilding. According to some reports, one ship of the 955th project costs the Ministry of Defense 23 billion. Ash - in an amount exceeding 200 billion rubles.

[rasputin17]

Very interesting !! I'm not surprised at the price of Ash, if some of its technologies are from the Lyra project !!

[Alexey RA]

Completed the production of hulls of premium yachts of project 113A.

Premium yacht from Sevmash? Ulanov remembered something at once:

But I didn’t explain for three hours to this morel in a crumpled hat what the nickel that had disappeared over the horizon looked like. He dragged an inch pack of drawings with him, two engravings ... The damn gnome listened attentively, nodded politely, assented in the right places, and at the end of the conversation assured me for a long time that their respectable firm Kramp and Gnuf would certainly fulfill all the wishes of a respected client. How, how so ...

These shorties sneezed in my drawings - they had a "drawing of a patrol ship of project 317 bis." And an order from the Canadian Coast Guard for twenty-three vessels - so why not add one more to them? After all, wholesale comes out cheaper, but the prepayment is already taken. The specifications attached to the contract indicate "sailing-motor yacht, such-and-such, such-and-such draft" - get and sign! "What?" - "How is this" not that "? Do you have sails? ” “Yes, if these full-time butterfly wings can be called sails!” - “You don’t understand anything, this is the last word of technological progress, a mast with advanced mechanization ...” - “In the coffin I saw your mechanization ... I ordered what bend of the stem? Do you think this is a swan ?! ” - "This, in our opinion, is the tip of the elven sword, if you, mister, are such a follower of elven motifs, but in general this configuration - the optimal speed-seaworthiness criterion - was obtained as a result of one and a half hundred field experiments in the experimental pool!" - “Yes, I’m you ...” - “I don’t advise, uh, man, I don’t advise, the best lawyers of the West Coast work for our company, too, by the way, people ... sincerely do not advise getting in touch. They will eat! ”

However, Brenda liked the yacht. Sails, bends - all this is nonsense, she said, looking at the angular squalor standing at the pier. The main thing is who has the bigger gun!

The gun on the dwarf creation, of course, was. And not even one.

[fa2998]

Quote: Pereira

This is right. There is no need to scatter and spray power.

And I think enterprises should be multidisciplinary. Problems with state funding for military products, make civilian ones. We have THOUSANDS of enterprises closed, that they only made military products, they began to rebuild them with a passion. Look what Boeing, Hyundai, Samsung, Kawasaki. There are tanks, combat aircraft and ships, and at the same time, cars, motorcycles, telephones, liners, tankers, etc. There is equipment and experienced staff. You don’t just need to cut the budget, "master funds" and hide in offshore YOU NEED TO EXPAND YOUR PRODUCTION!

[chelovektapok]

Ideally, this might be the case. But in the conditions of a tough "cutoff" of funding, civilian products, which are already produced at a loss, become just a "weight for the swimmer". If we are talking about the survival of the ship and the fulfillment of the order, the ballast flies overboard! Enough of Gorbachev's pots from the space industry and titanium shovels! I have this rarity in my garage from the early 90s. I don't want another one like this! The pastry should bake the rolls, and the shoemaker should wear the boots! Weapons make gunsmith. Canisters from a defense enterprise have already passed. ENOUGH! Let everyone do their own thing for a penny investment, which is expensive today!

[NordUral]

Better late than never. Nevertheless, it would be better sooner. That and the rest should be determined early.

[tolmachiev51]

Narrow specialization always gave good results !!!

[fa2998]

Quote: chelovektapok

Weapons make gunsmith. Already passed the canisters from the defense enterprise. Enough!

Actually, I’m not talking about pots and shovels. I’m talking about high-tech civilian products. Moreover, (of course, in coordination with the military) use of groundwork from the military sphere. Usually they are acquired by the military and then after a pause, they go to the civilian market. You said at a loss -yes, at such a dollar exchange rate, it’s better to do your own thing. Radio engineering devices, ships, cars, household appliances, etc. — import prices are sky-high! Let gunsmiths make weapons, we are talking about aircraft and shipbuilders, machine builders, the electronics industry. In my opinion there will be problems with the state order, the enterprise will have a spare site.

[nazar_0753]

In addition, the profit from the implementation of the state defense order is many times greater than civilian projects.

Well, it should have at least reached someone. I hope the rest of the enterprises will also follow this already beaten track

[dvg1959]

Yes, now they can’t shovel them, enough work for many decades. The remaining enterprises of the defense complex, I hope, too, from nothing to do pans will not be stamped.

[Evil 55]

When a soldier has work, his children can sleep peacefully ...

[Orionvit]

Quote: PN

Ha! Here you have not guessed!
There are just two points:
1) they build for a very long time and slowly (not because they do not know how, then the question is for the normalizers and, accordingly, for the salary)
2) proceeding from n1. the end products have, to put it mildly, "fabulous" prices.
That's the whole deal.

You probably never worked at defense plants, and you can’t imagine the complexity of the products. And most likely besides his tsp harder in their hands that did not hold.

[Santjaga_Garka]

That's right, the time has passed when the military-industrial complex had to rivet meat grinders to preserve the factories, the current military-industrial complex should be focused on defense orders, a lot depends on this!

[xomaNN]

I was very happy about this trend. In the 80s, at SMP he took an active part in debugging systems on the lead nuclear submarine, Project 941. So, he was involved in the fate of the giant plant

[Evgeniy30]

Wouldn’t it be more correct to allocate part of the income to the construction of another plant that would deal with civilian products?

[Robert Nevsky]

Nice new product, thanks!

[Valdis]

That's right))) it looks like there will be war soon. Then bam, a truce, no weapons, no bread, no clothes. All to Turkey! We drink Turkish tea for friendship and love!)))) and everything in a circle)))

[dsm100]

Previously, production was transferred to needles and frying pans... Are those times really over? Well done!!!