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Another patrol ship laid in Zelenodolsk

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The third patrol ship of the 22160 project, named “Pavel Derzhavin”, was laid at the Zelenodolsk shipyard (Tatarstan), reports MIC with reference to the press service of the enterprise.




“The ceremony of laying the patrol ship of project 22160" Pavel Derzhavin "was held at the plant, the honorary guests, including the commander of the Black Sea fleet Russia’s Alexander Vitko, the head of the RF Ministry of Defense’s department for providing state defense orders Pavel Pechkovsky and Tatarstan Deputy Prime Minister Vasil Shaykhraziev, ”the release said.

It is noted that "the head ship of the 22160 project" Vasily Bykov "was laid at the end of February 2014, the second representative of the type," Dmitry Rogachev "- in the summer of that year."

Before 2020, Zelenokodoltsy plan to hand over the ships of this project to the 6 military department.

Help "MIC": “The ship of the 22160 project has a displacement of about 1,3 thousand tons, is capable of speeding up to 30 nodes, the autonomy of its navigation reaches 60 days. It is designed to protect territorial waters, patrol the economic zone, protect ships and ships, as well as prevent smuggling and piracy, assist victims at sea, and provide environmental monitoring.

The standard armament of ships is an automatic artillery installation caliber 57 mm, machine guns and launchers "Gibka" for anti-aircraft missiles "Needle". In addition, the ship is based basing 12-ton helicopter. "
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 February 2016 18: 02
    +6
    Let's get bigger and more authentic, more powerful and faster.
    1. Malachite
      Malachite 18 February 2016 18: 05
      +7
      Krasava boat! I hope the same inside ... Crisis, crisis, and the Army and Navy above all!
      1. gg.na
        gg.na 18 February 2016 18: 46
        +2
        Quote: Malachite
        crisis and the Army and Navy above all!

        These are the only faithful allies of our RUSSIA !!!
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 18 February 2016 18: 31
      11
      The ship is not bad, but weapons should be added.
      1. gg.na
        gg.na 18 February 2016 18: 46
        +3
        Quote: Thought Giant
        but weapons would have to be added.

        I think so for his tasks and the dimensions of weapons enough! But I do not impose my opinion ... I just expressed it. wink
        1. gergi
          gergi 18 February 2016 20: 01
          +4
          For peacetime and for the tasks entrusted to it, it is quite enough. If, God forbid, war, they hang on him to be healthy of all interesting things. And now the excess weapons, this is an increase in the crew, an increase in expenses, wear and tear of unused equipment, and a decrease in autonomy.
      2. activator
        activator 18 February 2016 19: 24
        +2
        Quote: Giant thought
        The ship is not bad, but weapons should be added.
        Sorry could not resist. smile
      3. Val_y
        Val_y 18 February 2016 21: 15
        +1
        It is thought that for 1.3 thousand tons 57 mm of down + 14.5 mm machine guns + vert, winked (guys, remember how much displacement, for example, "Azov Sea" and what is its armament wink ), so I think a patrol but reconnaissance ship hi
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 19 February 2016 01: 10
        0
        Right Tonnage allows. Although it may all be, just do not show. But, if, as in the picture, then this is a pleasure yacht.
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    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 19: 21
      +4
      Photos from the event appeared.


      clickable.
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 19: 23
      0
      This project is good for everyone. High-speed (deep "V"), with increased range and seaworthiness. But air defense is rather weak frankly, and container placement of missile weapons in my opinion is doubtful for this class of ships. Could and regularly as on new RTOs behind the mast to place the UVP, not only on 8 (longitudinally), but on 16 (transverse) missiles. And in the UVP on the nose of the Redut air defense system with 9M96 / 9M96D missiles and from 16 to 32 missiles, depending on the layout. A song would be, not a boat!
      1. PN
        PN 18 February 2016 19: 39
        +1
        And how much would it weigh? Mass pulls dimensions and so on and so forth. Having increased the dimensions, we will speak again, but he would still have this and this and this ... This is an endless circle.
    6. Mitek
      Mitek 18 February 2016 19: 55
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Let's get bigger and more authentic, more powerful and faster.

      heh I knew one lady, she also said)))) But seriously, small ships are needed. Without them, it’ll be sooo great hard.
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 18 February 2016 20: 09
        +3
        Everywhere I write - let's quickly, more reliably. The fleet needs ships. And so from the project to raising the flag, the minimum time is a year and a half.
  2. avt
    avt 18 February 2016 18: 03
    +9
    Help "MIC": "The ship of project 22160 has a displacement of about 1,3 thousand tons, is capable of speeds up to 30 knots, the autonomy of its navigation reaches 60 days. It is designed to protect territorial waters, patrol the economic zone, protect ships and ships, as well as prevent smuggling and piracy, provide assistance to victims at sea, and environmental monitoring.

    The standard armament of ships is an automatic artillery installation caliber 57 mm, machine guns and launchers "Gibka" for anti-aircraft missiles "Needle". In addition, the ship is based basing 12-ton helicopter. "
    Always interested in the question - Well, why is it
    Before 2020, Zelenokodoltsy plan to hand over the ships of this project to the 6 military department.
    Navy ??? Typical border guard. After songs about unification, we again return to the various types of menagerie for “specific tasks.” There is only one excuse for the campaign - they overloaded 20380 with a weapon at the very least - they shoved something unstoppable, and now we have to urgently do some kind of analogue cheaper. listened to sane people and until the revision of 22350 did not rivet pieces 15-20 11356 for the Navy. But there was time and money, but ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 February 2016 18: 07
      0
      Quote: avt
      Navy ??? Typical border guard.

      Yes, the border guards do that.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 18 February 2016 18: 27
        +3
        After all, they can be additionally armed with "Caliber" and medium-range air defense systems, right?
        The modular concept of naval weapons for the first time in Russia will be implemented on a patrol ship of project 22160. Part of the armament on the ship is permanent, and it is mounted during construction. There are places where you can place additional weapons during the repair. And there are places for removable modules for any purpose, which during operation can be changed depending on the tasks
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 18 February 2016 18: 48
          11
          In the ordered Navy kit, the nasal slots are equipped with a non-removable module. That is, STEEL-1 can not be pushed there already, there are rooms.

          The 2X40ft containers on the rear platform are multifunctional. There may be 8 Gauges, but there may be underwater vehicles, systems for deep-sea work of divers, reconnaissance units or something else.
    2. Malachite
      Malachite 18 February 2016 18: 20
      0
      Quote: avt
      Navy ??? Typical border guard. After songs about unification, we again return to the various types of menagerie for "specific tasks"

      Well, why do we need to start again all the same .. We will not pull the aircraft carriers unequivocally (and we don’t need them in principle) In the Caspian Sea they have shown what they are capable of ... yet!
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 February 2016 20: 30
        +2
        Quote: Malachite
        Well, with what then you need to start again

        It's time to finish, and you are all about "start"
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 18 February 2016 18: 42
      10
      What for? What is the purpose? This boat has a fairly simple goal - a long patrol, escort, hiking in troubled regions. Therefore, the bet is on autonomy. He will not participate in the battle, but multifunctional. Maybe they could take a special forces group and guard a tanker - without chasing the poor BOD. Here is an example of Aden and the watch, Tributz - without turbines in repair, Chabanenko - without turbines, Intrepid - without turbines, Wise got a turbine - maybe by the summer it goes around and goes, Severomorsk - waiting in line for repairs, no long trips, Shaposhnikov for three years retired for repair.

      These are the tasks that these ships were forced to perform, will now be performed on those with huge resources, comfort for the team and relatively low price.

      This is good!
      1. avt
        avt 18 February 2016 19: 40
        +6
        Quote: donavi49
        ? This boat has a fairly simple goal - a long patrol, escort, hiking in troubled regions.

        Purely border functions and representation in the form of a flag display. Well this is understandable, but here it is
        Quote: donavi49
        He will not participate in the battle,

        wassat Powerfully pushed back! The ship of the Navy (not even the FSB maritime security), and even which is not for battle! laughing
        Quote: donavi49
        but multifunctional.

        Fry potatoes there, cooked pasta discarded. laughing laughing
        Quote: donavi49
        . Here is an example of Aden and the watch,

        Yeah, they knocked out motor resources in the pursuit of grandmas, the expected result. However, already at the end of the USSR, in dangerous areas, they simply sent a group of marines to the merchants, and removed them after passing, again in fact PMCs are now calmly going by the same tugboats and nothing, such a group in Africa has been hindered. And the question is - What? Is it difficult or impossible to paint a civilian ship, arm it with the 30th, or with the same 57mm awl, raise the Navy flag and let the Negroes ride on the canoes ???? So no - first we will kill the ships starting from the first rank, then we will begin to rivet the border guards for long voyages .... comforting ourselves
        Quote: donavi49
        they will now perform on those with huge resources, comfort for the team and relatively low price.

        This is good!

        When to build request Then the truth will again be hysteria that there are no full-fledged combat units.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 18 February 2016 19: 59
          0
          So in the Navy there may be ships of "peacetime" for patrols and other functions similar to the coast guard. For example, the Mediterranean patrolman Comandanti is assigned to the Marina Militare (Navy), not to the Guardia costiera (Coast Guard).
          1. avt
            avt 18 February 2016 21: 07
            +3
            Quote: donavi49
            So in the Navy there may be ships of "peacetime" for patrols and other functions similar to the coast guard.

            ,, Coast Guard "USA and the border guard of the FSB, well, where does the Navy ??? Create parallel structures ?? request
            Quote: donavi49
            Commandanti Patroller - He is assigned to Marina Militare (Navy)

            Why produce structures in structures? Maybe the FMS fleet will also lead ... a missile carrier? laughing
        2. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 20: 05
          +3
          I completely agree with you. I have never considered and do not consider VV Chirkov a worthy candidate for the post of commander in chief of the Russian Navy. To you +.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 18 February 2016 21: 25
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        He will not participate in the battle, but multifunctional.

        how it will not be - they were going to arm it there with a caliber
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  3. Dam
    Dam 18 February 2016 18: 09
    -2
    Weapons are weak for the army.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 18 February 2016 21: 34
      0
      For the army is weak laughing For the fleet - it’ll go bully
  4. silver_roman
    silver_roman 18 February 2016 18: 09
    -1
    and the caliber ???? crying

    and who understands, explain why there are so many different RTO projects ??????
    1. Forest
      Forest 18 February 2016 18: 15
      +1
      Why cruise missiles on a guard, which in theory should generally avoid combat with enemy warships?
    2. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 18 February 2016 18: 17
      -1
      Quote: silver_roman
      and the caliber ???? crying

      and who understands, explain why there are so many different RTO projects ??????

      This is a border troops ship. Why is there "Caliber".
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 18 February 2016 18: 39
        0
        for some reason they put on the buoys, although this tonnage is even larger.
        1. Forest
          Forest 18 February 2016 20: 01
          +3
          Buyan is a small missile ship that must support both its fleet and ground units where the cruiser cannot sail (Sea of ​​Azov, Caspian Sea).
      2. Malachite
        Malachite 18 February 2016 18: 44
        -1
        Quote: Primus Pilus
        This is a border troops ship. Why is there "Caliber".

        Well, if you press, we will place gauges in tugboats (just kidding) ... Well, Russia can’t build powerful ships in large numbers so far .. There’s a good time!
    3. kote119
      kote119 18 February 2016 18: 19
      0
      why does he need a caliber? You mean MrK why? about the patrol article?
    4. Sergey333
      Sergey333 18 February 2016 18: 28
      +6
      The fact is that projects have different owners. The Zelenodolsky Plant and Design Bureau bought the Ak-Bars Kazan Holding (a bank + a set of poultry farms) under it, respectively, they consider the development of this plant their property and will not be shared free of charge with other manufacturers. Therefore, in order to distribute the work to other shipyards, they are given other similar projects. The state itself is to blame, it sold its property overnight for two cents ....
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 18 February 2016 18: 40
        +3
        thank you for the clarification. and then all can only put cons, but in fact NOTHING GO !!!!
    5. donavi49
      donavi49 18 February 2016 18: 52
      +3
      Toothy Buyan is a punt, he has poor seaworthiness, because the hull on the river-sea was initially considered.
      The new MRK from Diamond is opposite the sea one, with a normal sea hull and a move to the 32 + node, that is, a sort of heir to the Lightning.
      This is not an MRC at all - but a patrol ship of the far zone. In order for poachers to be persecuted, offenders, to accompany all kinds of enemy destroyers in neutral waters, to drive pirates in Aden and not to waste the resource of 1-2 class ships. Plus it is multifunctional - equipment can change, take calibers or underwater vehicles, reconnaissance equipment, but anything! Initially, there were 2 removable slots - 40 foot containers under the helipad 2 pcs and a large slot behind the gun, but the MO left only 40 foot containers.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 18 February 2016 18: 56
        0
        Those. if necessary, can he take the calibers? it turns out that some kind of implementation of modularity.
        1. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 20: 12
          +1
          Alas, but at the expense of the Caliber rockets, this is almost a lie. Missiles on this trough can only be placed on the upper deck, and with the size of the missiles this trough will not be able to shoot them at sea, even with minimal sea turmoil. In Buyan, the missiles are mounted below the deck, and these are cans that are obviously unsuitable for the fleet. Autonomy of 60 days is not necessary to drive poachers in the coastal zone, and a long hike with such weak weapons is laughter. The ship is almost unarmed, it can’t do anything.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 19 February 2016 09: 26
            0
            His calibers are practically mine. And this is just a load option. There are other loads. Sometimes it’s more important to take something else, and not to carry calibers with a dead weight.

            60 days is even more important - it can conduct continuous one and a half month patrol of the border, and the largest of the surrendered FSB - 22460 can only be 10 days for surgery, and then back home. That is, this patroller closes the border more reliably and further, alone.

            Distant campaign here rather in the form in which weapons are not needed. Who carried the anti-piracy watch? FSB? Not. This was assigned to the Russian Navy and the Navy of other countries. Unlike other countries that the SMs are crossing and they are already there, the BF / SF / TOF ships went halfway around the world, as a result, half of the BOD are now dead and are in the hospital, including Shepherd, both Baltic TFRs are dead and if Undaunted does not leave hospitals for a long time, the Mudras may come out by the summer. Now, on such tasks, the resource of valuable ships of 1-2 rank will not be knocked out, but such cheap and unpretentious ships that in terms of efficiency will = SKR and lose a little BOD due to the 1 helicopter when solving the problem will be used.
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  6. APASUS
    APASUS 18 February 2016 18: 22
    +1
    Of course, I understand that this is a border guard, but there is no armament .......... and if something, then there really is nothing to support. The same Zelenodol with a displacement of 949t at least 1x12-30mm ZAK Duet (AK 630-M2) has. a pair of X-35 Uranus would put
    1. Sergey333
      Sergey333 18 February 2016 18: 37
      -2
      Gauges are on this project, go to Wikipedia.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 18 February 2016 21: 26
        0
        Quote: Sergey333
        Gauges are on this project, go to Wikipedia.

        Sorry, but this is for you Wikipedia is an expert on the Russian Navy.
        OSK Northern Design Bureau writes:

        Patrol ship project 22160
        Additional weapons installed at the request of the customer:
        1 SAM "Shtil-1" with two modular PU 3S90E.1

        1 integrated missile system "Caliber-NKE
  7. stonks
    stonks 18 February 2016 18: 28
    +2
    The standard armament of the ships is an automatic artillery mount of 57 mm caliber, machine guns and "Gibka" launchers for "Igla" anti-aircraft missiles.
    What about anti-submarine weapons?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 18 February 2016 21: 36
      0
      By the way, yes! Weird! There is a GAS, a Vignette, but no PLO weapons. Well, except for the PLUR of the Caliber family (by the way, until the end it is not clear whether there are Caliber) and a helicopter request
  8. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 February 2016 18: 32
    -1
    Long live the rake - now rake dancing at the navy headquarters! And we will have a bunch of different types of ships and not a fleet!
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 18 February 2016 21: 38
      0
      Ugh you! Again the same thing! Where are the different types of ships? Or rather, they are, but not in this case. Such patrol (!) ships with such autonomy and such range we do not have and have not yet fool
  9. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 February 2016 19: 11
    +2
    I wonder how long this task protection of territorial waters, patrolling the economic zone, providing assistance to victims at sea, environmental monitoring assigned to the Navy? what

    This ship has specialized naval tasks, except for guarding ships and ships, as well as preventing smuggling and piracy.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 18 February 2016 21: 40
      0
      This ship from specialized naval tasks except for the protection of ships and ships, as well as the suppression of smuggling and piracy

      Judging by the range and autonomy, it will work as a "border guard" far from its borders. For example, drive Somali pirates as an option. Or go in convoy with the Syrian express. Something like this hi
  10. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 February 2016 19: 53
    0
    Unfortunately, we have trouble with corvettes. And that rare case when not industry is to blame, but the customer is the fleet.
    There was a successful project - "Cheetah", but the military wrinkled their nose from the old and wanted higher, further, stronger, in the end they ordered a motorboat with the weapons of the cruiser, and they received it in the form of project 20380. The project turned out to be frankly defective, almost immediately they had to do modernization to project 20385, in which some defects were eliminated, and some were not. The project should be considered unsuccessful when there are more disadvantages than advantages.
    After the opupei with project 20380, the military wanted the most modern - this project 22160 Unfortunately, not a single ship has been launched yet, and the concept of "modularity" has already been recognized as unsuccessful and unsuccessful, and it is clear that no one is designing or building any modules. As a result, the project will apparently be adjusted to Project 22165, with the initially installed weapons.
    In general, instead of a simple, cheap and massive OVR ship, the fleet receives experimental microfrigates that cannot perform the functions of frigates due to truncated parameters and are completely expensive and redundant for corvette tasks.
    If the military receive with frigates what industry can give, and there is nothing to be done, then with corvettes industry gives exactly what they ask, and they ask for frank nonsense and dubious concepts. Here it would be just the designers should explain everything intelligently and offer a reasonable and balanced solution, and not the current cross between a bulldog and a rhinoceros. It is interesting what the Krylov Institute is doing, in principle it is their responsibility to develop concepts and in accordance with them determine the parameters and characteristics of promising ships.
    Sooner or later, of course, life will put everything in its place, but why not do it right in the mind? Why, for example, for starters, do not repair existing corvettes with modernization? Cheap and cheerful. On one of them to work out new systems and weapons, and in the development process to find out whether these improvements are needed at all, or they are made for the sake of the improvements themselves.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 February 2016 20: 41
      0
      Quote: chunga-changa
      The project turned out to be frankly defective, almost immediately I had to make an upgrade to project 20385, where some defects were eliminated and some were not

      Rather, they added new ones - redoubts with furke - this is something.
      Quote: chunga-changa
      In general, instead of a simple, cheap and massive OVR ship, the fleet receives experimental microfrigates that cannot perform the functions of frigates due to truncated parameters and are completely expensive and redundant for corvette tasks.

      CSIP
      Quote: chunga-changa
      It would be just for the designers to explain everything sensibly and propose a reasonable and balanced solution, and not the current cross between a bulldog and a rhino

      Well, in general, determining TK is still not the business of the designers.
      Quote: chunga-changa
      It’s interesting what the Krylov Institute is doing, in theory it is their responsibility to develop concepts and in accordance with them determine the parameters and characteristics of promising ships.

      DO NOT!!! Have you seen their destroyer and aircraft carrier models? :))))) "developers" ....
  11. Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 18 February 2016 19: 55
    -1
    The ship is beautiful!
  12. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 19: 59
    +2
    The most useless ship you can imagine. Bending is a MANPADS, which is guided by the radar, it cannot protect the ship from enemy missiles at all, and firing at aircraft is ineffective, like all MANPADS. If only they put the Broadsword, this is at least some chance of the survival of the ship. A 57 mm gun is nothing at all. Funnier than this ship, only the motor boats that the United States gave to Ukraine. The autonomy of 60 days suggests that they are going to use this trough away from their native shores, and for this there are too few weapons on it.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 18 February 2016 21: 47
      +1
      Well, why are you so smart did not go to the Moscow Region and did not explain to them that they are ... dumb (from your point of view)? We are all smart on the Internet here, but only the Chirkovs are there commanding every fleet (God grant him dismissal by non-compliance!)!

      Are you embarrassed by the long range and autonomy? And you think what functions this ship will perform! His main task is to shoot back from pirates. To go with convoys of dry cargo vessels off the coast of Somalia, for example. Gus delivered? Well done! Will not be superfluous!

      And what do you dislike about 57mm? Do you need 130mm? 152mm? For those koi tasks he will perform - 57mm is it! And by the way, they don’t put 57mm there, but 76mm, because of the unavailability of the A-220M. Well, at least on the lead ship like that!

      But about Gibka, I completely agree with you! Look, a great invention of "brilliant" designers - MANPADS on a turret!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 February 2016 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        And by the way, they don’t put 57mm there, but 76mm, because of the unavailability of the A-220M. Well, at least on the lead ship like that!

        Unreadiness ?!
        Ahem ... I correctly understood that the A-220M installation, developed since 2003, and not from scratch, but as a modernization of the A-220 installation developed in the late 60s, is still not ready? belay
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 19 February 2016 13: 04
          0
          Unreadiness ?!
          Ahem ... I correctly understood that the A-220M installation, developed since 2003, and not from scratch, but how is the modernization of the A-220 installation developed in the late 60s still not ready?

          For what I bought - for that I sell hi
  13. salamandra2826
    salamandra2826 18 February 2016 20: 14
    +1
    IN, at least a little in such cases wrote to consider who the ship is named Not everyone knows, but a person is certainly worthy.
    1. Veteran
      Veteran 18 February 2016 20: 56
      +6
      The third ship of project 22160 is named in honor of Pavel Ivanovich Derzhavin, captain of the 1st rank of the Navy of the USSR, a participant in the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union. It was he who, during the Great Patriotic War, was the commander of the brigade of armored boats of the Danube military flotilla, which included armored boats released from the stocks of the Zelenodolsk plant. Gorky, including the legendary BKA-75 Kalyuzhny armored boat, built with money from the company's employees.
  14. Veteran
    Veteran 18 February 2016 20: 24
    +5
    donavi49 is absolutely right: without such ships (D sailing 6 thousand miles at 16 knots), they drove large BODs. A replaceable slot allows you to place launch UKKS with RCC. If you believe Wikipedia, then the ship has the MGK-335EM-03 SAC, then you can place PLV in these launchers and rocket-torpedoes, if not, then anti-submarine weapons are pointless.
  15. vglazunov
    vglazunov 18 February 2016 20: 38
    +2
    Is a patrol ship an event for the Russian fleet? Of course, they need to be laid, but do not forget about more serious projects that were cut by metal by enemies under the dictation of the United States.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 18 February 2016 21: 49
      0
      Well, given that we have recently had separate names for the landing boats (google "Midshipman Lermontov"), then - yes! The patrolman bookmark is a direct event! request
  16. altman
    altman 18 February 2016 20: 51
    0
    Though something instead of nothing ..
  17. mine
    mine 19 February 2016 01: 35
    +1
    some realities
    SAD -

    The future of RTOs and IPCs in the Russian Navy #10.02.2014 23: 18
    As I understand it, the Northern Bureau, having hung noodles for the admirals, is trying to portray an alleged modernization of 22460 (what kind of modernization is it if the displacement increases by 2.5 times!), While bouncing off the established competitive procedures. I wonder how much is entered for "specific people" who make such "specific decisions"?
    And talking about the outstanding qualities of 22460 is talking about the poor. One shortage of speed in 5 nodes from the specification indicates the rare abilities of designers. This is what you need to do to create this !?
    http://www.balancer.ru/g/p3364478

    Deadushka Mitrich #01.03.2014 23: 47
    http://www.balancer.ru/g/p3385633
    In general, the whole story with this PROJECT has a frankly punching nose in the aroma of a forecourt toilet, which has long been uncleaned by a local prosecutor. In Zelenyi Dolo some metalwork is being convulsively laid down, proudly called a new patrol ship, and not just any, or [censored], [censored], or ... blah blah blah modular, cheap, and so on. At the same time, ATTENTION, there is neither a technical design, nor, accordingly, expert reviews of the 1TSNII MO and Central Research Institute of Krylov, nor preceding all this action of competitive procedures, mandatory, it seems like recently. Among other things, there are no shells for the sole armament of this, so to speak, ship - 57 mm gun. For what lies in the warehouses for a long time has passed all conceivable and unimaginable terms, and you can’t shoot it (you can shoot more accurately, but get in ..., then how it goes). And other weapons, as I understand it at this facility, are not supposed. Modules are fairy tales for those who have not played enough of Lego in childhood. In short, this is [censored], comrades!
    Since the fleet is desperate to get something cheap from the industry, then continue to sculpt 20380, only without the Uranos and Vignettes, leave room for them only for the future, but throw out [censored] Fourke (incidentally shooting everyone who had attitude towards him), replacing it with the good old "Positive". Leave the 630 and "Dirk" or something "cortical-like". Instead of "Zarya", something cheaper, like MGK, one hell of a few miles, the difference in range does not play pianos. Leave the car 49, it is smoking, and [censored] with it. Here's a reduction in price, and serial production, otherwise the zoo will be bred again, and they will wonder what to feed it!
  18. mine
    mine 19 February 2016 01: 35
    +1
    more
    John Fisher #15.03.2014 13: 10
    PS Well, here's a comparison for speed.
    We take an almost complete analogue of the construction of Project 22160, which is serially built corvettes of Project 11661 "Gepard" of Zelenodolsk Design Bureau. It is slightly longer and slightly larger in displacement (102 m against 94 m and about 2000 tons against 1500-1800 tons). Their maximum speeds are also close and amount to 30 knots. It would seem that the power of the power plant should be very close for them, because it is precisely selected for a given maximum speed.
    So, the CODOG installation has been announced for Cheetah and two turbines operating at 11000 kW (14500 hp) are operating at full speed, which in total is 22000 kW. At 22160, the designer’s website stated that the installation has a capacity of up to 25000 kW! It turns out that for the same speed at the same displacement, you need to buy and place a power plant at 13,5% more powerful! Those. just with one stroke of a pen under someone’s exhibition verbiage, we just stupidly raised our operating costs for fuel at least 10%! Fuel costs the same for ships of different classes. And what in return? Why will we pay every 10% more expensive? With beautiful words from the exhibition, will we please ourselves when the entire nose end is flooded with dense streams of spray to the wheelhouse glasses? And if winter and icing? You will have to reduce the speed to the smallest, even if no one needs to work on the tank ...
    http://www.balancer.ru/g/p3402631

    John Fisher #15.03.2014 13: 27
    The 22460 also had a high add-on, but this did not save and in an advertising form the joyful and excited paper factory maremans captured their adventures in the Gulf of Finland (!!!) when they filled the cabin windows several times a minute for many seconds to the full loss of visibility ... i.e. even the wipers did not save from a continuous stream of water pouring through the windows ... And you look what other cutouts they made in the bulwark of the forecastle from the second order! If there was no flooding in fresh weather, they would have limited themselves to slotted cutouts for draining small masses of water, and so they had to fight with a full bath of water ...

    sam7 #15.03.2014 13: 43
    Maybe the numbers on the Internet lie, because it turns out not even 13,5, but at least 25% (more power with less displacement, according to the Admiralty formula D in the degree of 2 / 3).
    It’s hard to do this. Maybe 22160 actually has a higher speed?
    Although, after panama with LK25 you can already do nothing
  19. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 19 February 2016 11: 50
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    Whatever the "couch" critics would write about the projects - this is a concussion and nothing more! However, the fact remains - ZSZ is today the leader in the production of NK for the needs of the Navy! I consider it extremely important that in addition to the practically worked out production technological processes for the construction of modern surface ships, the practically conveyor assembly of hulls in the flow-position method according to the integrated circuit, the transition period (chain) from the application - design assignments (TTX), the anti-ship missiles themselves, the issuance of design - feature and production technological documentation and the production itself, followed by a shortened delivery to the customer - the Navy! Those of you who had or are related to this process (shipbuilding) in some way will understand me. For example, the whole process from ordering to delivery of EM 956 took 35 years !? If you look closely at the work of the Zelenodol residents, you will see more promising projects, including frigates with an MPV of a catamaran type with a composition of weapons like a light cruiser, and combat strike "aircraft" for attack UAVs, etc. Good luck to the Tatar shipbuilders and the implementation of new plans and ideas!