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At the Severnaya Verf shipyard they are preparing to install the engines on the corvette “Gremyaschy”

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Severnaya Verf specialists are processing foundations for the main engines, which are expected to be delivered in the 1 quarter of the current year. The manufacturer of the engines made "Kolomna Plant", reports resource Flotprom.


At the Severnaya Verf shipyard they are preparing to install the engines on the corvette “Gremyaschy”
Corvette project 20385 "Thundering"

Initially, the project involved the use of German diesel engines MTU.

“The corvette has a hull and superstructure, mechanisms and equipment are mounted, and the premises are primed and insulated. By the end of the first quarter, shipbuilders are planning to start electrical work, ”says the release of the Severnaya Verf.

“Now Almaz Central Design Bureau, the project developer, is completing its adjustment taking into account the replacement of engines and their manufacturer. For the Kolomna Plant, this type of engine is serial, but a number of changes were made to it, ”the press service noted.

One of the improvements, according to shipbuilders, was the reliability of the diesel engine.

“In total, four corvettes are under construction at the Northern Shipyard: two (“ Thundering ”and“ Agile ”) - under the project 20380 and two (“ Roaring ”and“ Strict ”) - under the improved project 20385. Formation will complete in the coming months in the coming months corps. Also this year it is supposed to complete the formation of the corps of two corvettes of project 20380, their delivery to the Naval the fleet planned in 2018, ”the report said.

According to the resource, "the armament of the 20385 corvettes includes the Caliber-NK missile system, Redut air defense system, 100-mm artillery A-190-01, two 30-mm anti-aircraft guns AK-630M, as well as anti-submarine complex "Package"".
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Shipyard "Severnaya Verf"
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 February 2016 16: 57
    12
    Reliable and economical diesel engines. Okay, like them, though not so fast.
    1. Nord2015
      Nord2015 18 February 2016 17: 00
      28
      But on their own, and if it happened that, and you can not buy spare parts from the adversaries.
    2. Kostyar
      Kostyar 18 February 2016 17: 01
      +7
      Reliable and economical diesel engines. Okay, like them, though not so fast.

      But His, Native ..., and local spare parts if anything ....
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 February 2016 17: 16
      10
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Reliable and economical diesel engines.

      You tell this on "Guarding". smile
      The whole saga with MTU began precisely following the results of the operation of Kolomna diesel engines 16D49 to 20380. For the Kolomna plant has long and tightly been on orders from Russian Railways and, from his point of view, naval diesel engines are low-volume hemorrhoids with a moody customer that does not bring much money. Therefore, the position of the plant was: take what is - there will be no other.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 18 February 2016 17: 25
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The Kolomna plant has long and tightly sits on orders from Russian Railways and, from its point of view, naval diesel engines are low-volume hemorrhoids that do not bring much money



        Maybe I’m wrong, but according to some information, last year the Russian Railways sharply reduced its reserves in all respects ... So if the residents of Kolomna want to survive, let alone benefit the country, let them spin ... There is experience, let new technologies are developing ...
        1. jjj
          jjj 18 February 2016 17: 53
          +5
          Quote: veksha50
          There is experience, let them develop new technologies ...

          Even in the old years, Kolomna residents built marine diesel engines and even for submarines. Kolomna cars were considered reliable
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 18 February 2016 19: 50
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        from his point of view, naval diesel engines are low-volume hemorrhoids that do not bring much money with a capricious customer. Therefore, the position of the plant was: take what is - there will be no other.

        Oh identity, and they have no one to tear off their ears, not the 37th. crashed into a board under shitty legislation.
      3. Seal
        Seal 18 February 2016 23: 29
        0
        For the Kolomna plant has long and tightly sits on the orders of Russian Railways

        So he sat on them all his history. Naval diesels are either a hobby or a load for him. It was also called "Kolomna diesel locomotive plant named after V. V. Kuibyshev" hi
      4. smel
        smel 19 February 2016 08: 21
        +1
        And what happened to the Thundering 1990 of the year of construction, which was quietly dying by the wall in the SF?
    4. veksha50
      veksha50 18 February 2016 17: 23
      +6
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Reliable and economical diesel engines. Okay, like them, though not so fast.



      Nothing installed on the corvette Caliber adversary and at such a speed will get ... Dashing trouble - the beginning ...

      Over time, the power plant will be finalized and improved ...
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 February 2016 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Reliable and economical diesel engines. Okay, like them, though not so fast.

      It’s a good deed. And there you look and bring it to the desired performance. Yes, and no one canceled the modernization. The main thing is that there will be no delays in the construction of new ships of this project.
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 18 February 2016 17: 00
    +7
    So much for the real embodiment of import substitution, it will be very good if the engines go to our warships under construction in the required quantities, and then we will wipe the nose of the possessed Bandera.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 17: 05
      12
      Quote: Thought Giant
      it will be very good if the engines to our warships under construction go in the required quantities, and here we’ll wipe off the nose Bandera

      In this particular case - to the possessed Hitlerites, because "initially the project provided for the use Germanic diesels MTU " smile
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 18 February 2016 17: 23
        0
        It seemed like infa that China was going to buy licensed MTU diesel engines.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 18 February 2016 17: 21
      +1
      Quote: Thought Giant
      here we’ll wipe off the nose of the possessed Bandera.

      We will not wipe our nose with Bandera, they simply do not know what it is (engines). Wipe our nose, we will be "exclusive" and EU-liberal!
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 18 February 2016 17: 27
      +1
      Quote: Thought Giant
      here we’ll wipe off the nose of the possessed Bandera.



      Um, Giant - sorry, but it looks like a Klitschko blunder last year in Berlin ...

      The Germans, if they hear that they were compared with Bandera, the turnips will be combed ...

      Or maybe they should be called all of them ... Demonized - they are demon possessed ... What are Adolphs, what are Stepan ...
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 18 February 2016 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: veksha50
        . Demons - they are demons ... That Adolphs that Stepan ...

        What Merkel with Obama! Frenzied!
  3. silver_roman
    silver_roman 18 February 2016 17: 04
    0
    SAM "redoubt" is something like an improved dagger?
    and polymer-redoubt - is it AFAR?
    just confused already, explain who is in the know!
    hi
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2016 17: 06
      +6
      Quote: silver_roman
      SAM "redoubt" is something like an improved dagger?
      and polymer-redoubt - is it AFAR?
      just confused already, explain who is in the know!
      hi
  4. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 18 February 2016 17: 08
    +1
    are the Kolomna ones weaker than the Germans?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 February 2016 17: 29
      +3
      Quote: seregatara1969
      are the Kolomna ones weaker than the Germans?

      Recently, in one of the discussions of the next "import substitution" figures were given for the resource - the Germans have it many times higher.

      Well, the traditional domestic quality, yes ... Last year, the topic of ship diesel engines reached the level of the Navy commander in chief:
      ... according to him, a strange situation is happening in Russian shipbuilding. “We spend money and invest in the same thing. But in the end, we have nothing, ”Chirkov emphasized.

      V. Chirkov said that in Russia there are only three enterprises that are engaged in the production of marine power plants: Kolomensky diesel, Ural diesel, "which makes it so that after two months of cover on these plants, sea water completely eats away." In addition, there is a Zvezda plant, said the commander in chief, who showed at the Marine Salon an engine of his own design, but actually made in Austria.

      "And where in Russia to get the metal from which this engine will be made? Are we able to make such cases and such parts in Russia? No," said the commander in chief.

      IHH, UDMZ admitted that the criticism of their diesels by Chirkov was fair.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 18 February 2016 17: 45
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        "And where in Russia to get the metal from which this engine will be made? Are we able to make such cases and such parts in Russia? No," said the commander in chief.

        Quote: Alexey RA
        IHH, UDMZ admitted that the criticism of their diesels by Chirkov was fair.

        And it is NOT TO FIND METAL in Russia? the more the necessary quality? Do not make me laugh! Russia has everything to get any, I stress, ANY alloys! You only need WILL! And then it just becomes interesting: where did the titanium submarines come from in the USSR and why do Boeing and Airbus buy "metal" in Russia? You just need an order: "DO"! and report, deadline ==. ==. 16y.!
        1. 73bor
          73bor 18 February 2016 18: 08
          +1
          It’s not just the metal that matters, but the technology of casting this metal, we have problems with powder casting, and the D49 diesel itself is quite reliable and well-developed, it’s just that they’re installed on ships in the unit with a gearbox and then problems with reliability begin the whole system!
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 18 February 2016 18: 11
          +1
          Well, there is another question there, to make the right metal, this is a new alloy for industry, with all that it implies, to buy machines with the right accuracy, to raise the culture of production. Ah, also the engine itself to do.

          The Austrian Star there is not only for metal, but also for the complete set.
        3. gispanec
          gispanec 18 February 2016 22: 02
          +1
          Quote: Tol100v
          And this is in Russia DO NOT FIND METAL?

          are you a metallurgist - no!!!! and I'm in metallurgy .... so do not post nonsense !!
  5. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 February 2016 17: 14
    +2
    This is until the thunder struck, they hoped either for the Germans or now for ukroinu! You need to develop your own!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 February 2016 18: 18
      +4
      There is a little bit wrong:
      there was a D49 which does not want to improve the locomotive and the plant especially for the naval ones - on the principle, you do not want it as you want, we bought the entire Russian Railways pool.

      With the engine specifically tormented with 20380, but there it is in conjunction with incorrectly calculated flues. As a result, the diesel engine confidently throws, and then it burns (everything except Stoykoy burned for large - ignition is generally normal). Now the Guardian is waiting for a new flue, if the product enters, it will be replaced with all the other 20380.

      The problem with 20385 has become complex:
      - the power of the installation is barely enough for the heavy 20380, the shortage of the 1,5-2,5 node. + 500 tons of on / and running will be very sad.
      - reliability.
      - 20385 wanted to make a corvette of the far zone and drive to SM-Aden - that is, it was necessary to radically solve the problem of fires.

      Kolomna is making a new diesel engine under Russian Railways, but it will not be soon (2017 are the first production ones in the weakest model, and ship ones are near 2020 +).

      It was impossible to increase the installation capacity on domestic units, D49 squeezed everything out, put another 2 unit - to seriously remake the project.

      As a result, then they decided to take spent and more powerful MTUs.
  6. yuriy55
    yuriy55 18 February 2016 17: 20
    +3
    Simple Russian science fiction - a working shipyard and loaded stocks !!! And our engineers will bring our diesel engine to mind, they will sit and think about it and finish it. No worse than the German will ... good
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 February 2016 18: 22
      +4
      D49 no longer makes sense to bring it all.

      D500 is a new engine. V12 will be released in 2017, others later. Ship in the 2020 area.
    2. VP
      VP 18 February 2016 20: 12
      -4
      Uryayayaya! Give !!!!
  7. veksha50
    veksha50 18 February 2016 17: 20
    +6
    "Kolomensky Zavod was the engine manufacturer" ...

    The good news ... As soon as such news becomes everyday routine, I will probably be a little happy: Russia lives, the fleet comes to life and is really being restored ...

    PS Nothing, wait for the times when our own will fully develop-design-produce-install power plants on ships that are in no way inferior to the Bundes ...
  8. Terner38
    Terner38 18 February 2016 17: 26
    0
    The mess in the photo on the right is not impressive, but for the Homeland this, in principle, is the norm ..
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 18 February 2016 17: 37
      +1
      The mess in the photo on the right is not impressive, but for the Homeland this, in principle, is the norm ..

      This is not a mess, this is a creative mess !!!
    2. avt
      avt 18 February 2016 17: 39
      0
      Quote: Terner38
      The mess in the photo on the right is not impressive, but for the Homeland this, in principle, is the norm ..

      The contract for the construction of the lead ship No. 253/05/2 / K / 0546-06 was signed by the Ministry of Defense of Russia on March 27.03.2006, 20385 (for the supply of the corvette pr.1005, head No. 1005). The lead ship of the project No.01.02.2012 "Gremyashchiy" was laid down at the Severnaya Verf shipyard (Saint Petersburg) on ​​2014/XNUMX/XNUMX, launching is planned in XNUMX.
      Four years later ...... engine installation is planned ........ request sad but true
      “In total, four corvettes are under construction at Severnaya Verf: two (Thundering and Provorny) - according to project 20385 and two (Zealous and Strict) - according to improved project 20380. At Provorny, the formation will be completed in the coming months. housing. Also this year it is planned to complete the formation of the hulls of two corvettes of the project 20380, their delivery to the Navy is planned in 2018 ",
      Quote: Terner38
      for the motherland, this, in principle, is the norm.
  9. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 18 February 2016 17: 26
    0

    One of the improvements, according to shipbuilders, was the reliability of the diesel engine.

    The key phrase of the whole article! You can even highlight in bold!
    If the Kolomna minders have finally "brought" the engines, it will seriously make life easier for many in the Navy!
  10. SAM 5
    SAM 5 18 February 2016 17: 36
    0
    Interestingly, from whose submission and since when have ships of the "light cruiser" or "patrol ship" class begun to be called in Indian or in French "corvette"? A tribute to fashion? request
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 February 2016 18: 27
      +4
      Wake up, the world walks under the flag of the Navy / Navy only 1 Light Cruiser - Almirante grau.

      The frigate corvette is the original designation, the same first Russian ship Eagle- frigate.

      Now all over the world, the classification of the corvette-frigate-destroyer + all sorts of LCS / MLP and so on. Nobody is building or planning a cruiser.
      1. SAM 5
        SAM 5 18 February 2016 18: 45
        -1
        the same first Russian ship Orel-frigate.

        Oh my friend, where you brought. Sailing fleet is another.
        Well, God bless him, with the cruiser, probably you're right. What about a patrol ship.
        Now all over the world the classification of corvette ...

        I’m not asking about the whole world, but about Russian ships.
        Then fighters should be called fighters.
  11. Neko75
    Neko75 18 February 2016 17: 37
    0
    Engines need to be brought to mind and develop new ones. Hope in such a case is impossible.
  12. 31rus
    31rus 18 February 2016 17: 47
    0
    Dear, not a specialist and close in this topic, tell me, I am very worried about weapons, something rather weak, even with the "Caliber", does not cause much delight. Thank you.
  13. a71
    a71 18 February 2016 18: 13
    +2
    Quote: 31rus
    Dear, not a specialist and close in this topic, tell me, I am very worried about weapons, something rather weak, even with the "Caliber", does not cause much delight. Thank you.

    Yes Yes! In NATO, "calibers" are also not enthusiastic.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 18 February 2016 18: 29
      0
      Do you think as a missile defense system "Caliber" meets its requirements? When the enemy knows about their presence on these ships, do you think no measures will be taken until we finish building our ships? I ask the question not from doing nothing, in my opinion there should be "universal" launchers both for "Calibers" and for heavier missiles, again, the ship's air defense causes me personally to be effective, I don't know, that's why I ask, if you can't explain, please don't be jerky
  14. barclay
    barclay 18 February 2016 18: 25
    0
    Good news. Down and Out trouble started. The fleet should have its own engines, with its spare parts and maintenance. The only way.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 18 February 2016 18: 41
    +1
    It’s hard to believe. I got info about buying a licensed copy of MTU from China and that’s bang, Kolomenskiye diesel engine. Moreover, it’s not so easy to process a project for another diesel engine, considering the weight and size and the fact that the ship was built for another diesel engine ... ......... there are alterations only for half a year
  16. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 18 February 2016 19: 31
    0
    Quote: seregatara1969
    are the Kolomna ones weaker than the Germans?


    Unfortunately this is the case.
    Moreover, the maximum speed of a vessel of this type is:
    - about 27 knots / 50 km / h - with the Kolomna engine;
    - about 30 knots / 56 km / h - with a German engine.
  17. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 18 February 2016 20: 20
    0
    Engines in Russia (USSR) all the time were a bottleneck that gasoline that diesel that jet. For 10 years, the engine is finished and everything we stand is produced until it becomes antiques. Dobitsa develop a new one, test and launch into production, simultaneously re-equip production is from the realm of fantasy. There is no money and will not give. A clear example of 1970 is the first VAZ and Moskvich next to heaven and earth under the hood. Moskvich died with what Rodils and hp were only on paper in fact the engine never issued them.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 18 February 2016 22: 41
      0
      Sorry, (oksotnak86) directly disturbs from grammatical errors.
      1. Oml
        Oml 19 February 2016 03: 24
        +1
        You also have two errors in one small application. Read the meaning of the sentences, and don't be the corrector.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 19 February 2016 01: 02
      0
      Let's not talk about what we don’t understand.
      << The UZAM-412 engine was delivered to the conveyor in 1967. It was completely created by the specialists of the Moscow plant using modern technologies at that time and was structurally very similar to the BMW M115 unit, produced since 1961. >> That is, the BMW engine served as the base. believe it is a racing motor.
      m-2141.ru/uzam412.html
    3. dvina71
      dvina71 19 February 2016 01: 33
      0
      Quote: oxotnuk86
      Engines in Russia (USSR) were always bottlenecks

      Not engines, but an approach to their design. There are a number of Soviet engines that are years ahead of their Western counterparts. Both YaMZ-238 and ZiL-130 at the time of their creation were outstanding units. And the D-240 (Belarus tractor) in the 60s freely passed Euro-2 standards, before which there were another 20 years.
      In addition, a number of excellent engines were created for the army, but they did not receive wide fame in life.
      As for power ... I can give you a whole lecture .. so that you at least begin to understand this. But not that format. In short. Power is a characteristic of an engine that indicates how much this engine can effectively burn. Fuel consumption is recorded e.g. 180gr / hp. And the second .. maximum power is achievable ONLY at maximum engine speeds. The question for you is how often do you drive at such speeds?
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 February 2016 05: 04
    0
    Damn, we have a very bad fleet.
    Therefore, everything that is done for him should be in the highest priority.
    I hope that the engines will bring to mind and will be released in such quantities,
    that would be enough for all shipyards of the country.
    Well, as standard: it was necessary earlier, I want it faster, I want more, and now right now.))
  19. surrozh
    surrozh 19 February 2016 05: 06
    +1
    Everything rests on politics. It is not the deputy who needs to pay wild money, but a highly skilled hard worker and all sorts of benefits to be given so that he does not run away somewhere. In the USSR, the correct system was in this regard so that they would not be spoken about.
  20. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 19 February 2016 09: 20
    0
    MTU and in China do. I wonder why they did not try to take the Chinese MTU?
  21. Ustian
    Ustian 19 February 2016 11: 03
    0
    two ("Thundering" and "Agile") - according to the project 20385 and two ("Zealous" and "Strict") - on the improved project 20380. request


    Project corvette 20385 represents advanced option project 20380.