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"Almaz" is developing a small anti-submarine ship

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The image and description of the small anti-submarine ship of the 23420 project, the customer of which is not yet known, appeared on the TsMKB Almaz website, the blog reports bmpd.


Project image of a small anti-submarine ship project 23420

According to the design bureau, “a small anti-submarine ship is intended for conducting combat operations against an underwater, surface and air enemy, escorting ships’ base sites, defeating coastal targets with artillery weapons, to protect the state border and economic zone. "

The ship’s displacement is 1300 t, length - 75 m, width - 13 m, speed - around 25-30 knots, cruising range - 2500 miles, crew - 60 pers.

It is reported that “1 x diesel or diesel with electric propulsion or 1 x diesel-gas turbine” will be used as the main power plant.

According to the developers, the following weapons will be installed on the IPC: "1 x AU AK-176MA 76 caliber mm (152 shots) or 1 x AU AK-306 caliber 30 mm (500 shots), 1 x turret 3M-47 Bending" (Ammo 20 missiles).

Anti-submarine: 1 x MPTK "Package-E / NK" (2 x launchers, 8 x torpedoes) or 1 x RPK-8E complex (1 x RBU-6000, 48 x 90R anti-submarine missiles and RGB-60 depth charges), 1 x unmanned aviation complex "Horizon-AIR-S-100" (2 x UAV). ”



Blogger comment: “In the above image, the composition of the ship’s armament is characterized by the presence of the Palash anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex and two two-tube 533-mm torpedo tubes.

In general, with the exception of the “modern” architecture, the anti-submarine capabilities of this ship seem to be little different from those of the old 1124M IPCs. ”
Photos used:
JSC CMDB "Almaz"
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  1. denni
    denni 18 February 2016 13: 58
    +1
    Looks like a good nimble boat will be. Yes, and with such a futuristic look
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 14: 03
      16
      This is sheer crap, not a project. I hope they never think of putting it into series.

      Weapons at the IPC level of the 21412 project of the end of the 70's, only the Lightnings-2 had a displacement of 500 tons, and then 1300. Where did 2,5 times go? For what? Why anti-submarine UAV? What was he going to do to them?
      1. makst83
        makst83 18 February 2016 14: 04
        25
        Without "Caliber" it is unprotected. laughing
        And if in fact, then again they step on the old rake and make specialized RTOs and IPCs instead of making one universal OVR corvette. soldier
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 February 2016 14: 07
          +5
          So they told us what will be there. wink
        2. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 14: 08
          +3
          Quote: makst83
          Without "Caliber" it is unprotected. laughing
          And if in fact, then again they step on the old rake and make specialized RTOs and IPCs instead of making one universal OVR corvette. soldier



          As far as I know, our Ministry of Defense has not yet finally decided which project to choose. Therefore, project 23420 may be launched in series, or may remain on paper.
        3. Michael67
          Michael67 18 February 2016 14: 10
          -2
          For any ship you need, even if it brings back memories of 21412. And probably 2,5 times the growth of weapons and electronics that are not yet talked about. Still from the project to launching is not 3-5 years, but 1 year.
        4. VP
          VP 18 February 2016 16: 03
          +1
          The customer is unconscious. Those. it is quite possible that the guys finish some old unclaimed developments and try to get it out of the way for someone.
          1. mine
            mine 18 February 2016 22: 58
            +1
            you think correctly
            it was "hatched" by their shit that was drawn for the Indian tender
        5. GSH-18
          GSH-18 18 February 2016 19: 27
          0
          Quote: makst83
          And if in fact, then again they step on the old rake and make specialized RTOs and IPCs instead of making one universal OVR corvette. soldier

          Rather, they step on the rake of Khrushchev! Which cut battleships and built longboats and boats, sssk!
          We need ships of ocean displacement, not this crap! How much can you repeat the same mistakes in planning a fleet? After all, the fleet for the Russian Federation is all! There is no fleet, we sit on the opera exactly and fend off strikes from all sides. Do we need this?
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 18 February 2016 14: 12
        12
        only Lightning-2 had a displacement of 500 tons, and here 1300. Where did 2,5 times go?

        On the armor !!! laughing
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 18 February 2016 14: 27
          +8
          ..... only "Lightning-2" had a displacement of 500 tons, and here 1300. Where did the growth of 2,5 times go?
          On the armor !!! laughing

          ..... Did you remember about Kaptsov ????? .... laughing
      3. Alex_59
        Alex_59 18 February 2016 14: 24
        12
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        This is sheer crap, not a project. I hope they never think of putting it into series.

        Weapons at the IPC level of the 21412 project of the end of the 70's, only the Lightnings-2 had a displacement of 500 tons, and then 1300. Where did 2,5 times go? For what? Why anti-submarine UAV? What was he going to do to them?

        The same thoughts came to mind. They make stealth contours and put RBU-6000 on their nose ... Air defense for a corvette with a / and 1300 tons of funky. AK-306 - for what? She can’t shoot down RCC, the rate of fire is not the same. Eh, it was necessary before the sanctions to buy a license from the Swedes on Visby, put on it the below-deck Redut-Polement, Package-NK and your AU in 76 mm. That would be the device turned out! With a full helicopter by the way!
        1. 11 black
          11 black 18 February 2016 19: 18
          +3
          Quote: Alex_59
          to put on it a deck Redoubt-Polement

          May the Polyment not fit into it ...

          The UAV is okay, maybe the GAS will be installed as on anti-submarine helicopters, then a useful thing will turn out. But the UAV is a means of detecting submarines at a great distance from the ship, and "Package", as I remember, works for a maximum of 10 kilometers (approximately). This is generally the anti-torpedo system "Package". There is no semblance of a Waterfall or a UVP under Caliber, how will he shoot at boats 20-30 kilometers away from him ?!
          IMHO, his anti-submarine capabilities are not very, not even very much! A huge minus for the lack of UVP for the "Caliber" missiles - after all, they even put on Buyany. And RBU looks like an anachronism - it would be better if they put the second Flexka ...
          Yes, in general, with one flexible 76-mm gun and Package say that the ship is intended
          Quote: Author
          for warfare against an underwater, surface and air enemy

          it’s a complete crazy Nonsense, I hope the project is actually significantly, SIGNIFICANTly different from the one presented, but in general than how to do new projects BUILD 22800, a normal ship, and a turntable on board and Caliber in place, put anti-submarine missiles and go!
      4. Conscience
        Conscience 18 February 2016 14: 32
        -2
        why say - blah, blah, blah - UAV is needed and.
        1. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 14: 35
          +3
          Quote: Conscience
          why say - blah, blah, blah - UAV is needed and.



          How can the UAV replace the Ka-27PL?
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 18 February 2016 21: 28
            0
            It is also necessary to develop it, but it is very tempting to have TWO airborne detection means for enemy submarines instead of one!
      5. Dam
        Dam 18 February 2016 15: 17
        0
        Is it possible to search for submarines? Has someone come up with a more efficient way?
        1. little man
          little man 18 February 2016 16: 37
          +3
          Yes, this is a coastal ship, what will he look for there and with whom to fight with such weapons? Well, what has Cheetah not pleased? Mlyn ... some projects, where are the ships? zadolbali already ... and everyone is happy!
      6. Maxom75
        Maxom75 18 February 2016 15: 31
        -1
        It seems that the purpose of the ship was sacrificed for the sake of stealth technology. Actually, this is an anti-submarine ship, although I would not refuse from 16-18 launch containers "Caliber on it. Judging by the displacement, it will lift 20. And oh, how we need to slap as many floating platforms for carriers of this type of missile as possible.
      7. Agent_017
        Agent_017 18 February 2016 16: 33
        0
        This is the topic! If ours were able to do this, then warriors around the world would piss from fear. Of course not exactly this, but in this direction ...
      8. Mhpv
        Mhpv 18 February 2016 17: 12
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Weapons at the IPC level of the 21412 project of the late 70's, only the Lightnings-2 had a displacement of 500 tons, and then 1300

        Read the end of the article carefully:
        In general, with the exception of the “modern” architecture, the anti-submarine capabilities of this ship seem to be little different from those of the old 1124M IPCs. ”

        You’re carrying a gag. For 1124, the displacement of 900 tons and the speed of 36 knots, you will find the weapons yourself.
      9. Pajamas
        Pajamas 18 February 2016 18: 25
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        This is sheer crap, not a project. I hope they never think of putting it into series.

        Weapons at the IPC level of the 21412 project of the end of the 70's, only the Lightnings-2 had a displacement of 500 tons, and then 1300. Where did 2,5 times go? For what? Why anti-submarine UAV? What was he going to do to them?


        According to the UAV, you need to understand what kind of payload it can take, whether it will pull a magnetometer or a gas generator.
      10. mine
        mine 18 February 2016 22: 56
        0
        Combat systems corvettes OVR.
        This publication, which is a continuation of the article “The scheme of double superiority,” discusses the requirements for weapons and radio-electronic means of OVR corvettes and the problems of their creation.
        http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=833&p=14#p585314
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 14: 22
      +5
      1 x unmanned aerial complex "Horizon-AIR-S-100" (2 x UAVs)




      The Germans wanted on their K-130 corvettes to have 2 UAVs “Simos” (Dornier company)

      (1100 kg - take-off weight, 2 coaxial two-bladed propellers, 450 hp). The main functions are reconnaissance and target designation (radar from NH-90), min search is possible.

      But after 2 pieces were broken, the program in 2004 was curtailed.

      No one else has this problem.

      Although the Americans under the LCS program were going to arm these ships, besides the N-60, with a variety of UAVs for various purposes. But for now, these are general considerations, like the whole LCS program.

      Firstly, the complex with the omitted HELRAS type gas analyzer (for example) weighs 326 kg - what other modularity? UAV will not pick it up! A magnetometer is even heavier.

      Secondly - even if by some miracle he finds it, this submarine - but what's the point? He does not carry weapons, but from the IPC - only torpedoes, that is, the ship itself will not get it. Maximum damage - the UAV operator will mumble into the screen.

      Thirdly, it is not the responsibility of the IPC to stop the violating live, this is the business of the border guards and the PSKR.

      And fourthly - is it not better to replace the UAV, for which the dubious benefits are, to put a towed GAS, from which the benefits will be an order of magnitude higher?
      1. Manul
        Manul 18 February 2016 15: 47
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        And fourthly - is it not better to replace the UAV, for which the dubious benefits are, to put a towed GAS, from which the benefits will be an order of magnitude higher?

        And GAS and Ka-27 will not fit? Maybe GAS and laid, since
        Where did the growth of 2,5 times go?
        ?
    3. rpek32
      rpek32 18 February 2016 14: 23
      +4
      looks like a yacht laughing
    4. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 18 February 2016 14: 53
      +1
      Looks like an expensive, large ocean-class yacht ...
      1. Agent_017
        Agent_017 18 February 2016 16: 51
        +1
        For the commanders, the very thing! You can relax glamorously and on a grand scale. The design apparently fell in love with young frames who learned all the basics of Photoshop and advertising. Apparently in the defense industry, salaries are higher than in advertising components ...
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 18 February 2016 19: 50
          -1
          Quote: Agent_017
          For the commanders, the very thing! You can relax glamorously and on a grand scale. The design apparently fell in love with young frames who learned all the basics of Photoshop and advertising. Apparently in the defense industry, salaries are higher than in advertising components ...

          Yeah, there’s still heifers to catch, and a disco with booze and coke and all the subsequent indecent actions laughing good Here is its real "combat" mission! The project sucks. am
    5. Sweles
      Sweles 18 February 2016 15: 40
      +1


      Blowing, I do not like watching? They put on the new ship and that old weapon, for whom did the Tuleks try?
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2016 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: denni
      Yes, and with such a futuristic look

      Yeah, looked and thought it was Abramovich’s yacht., Only with cannon laughing
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 18 February 2016 20: 05
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: denni
        Yes, and with such a futuristic look

        Yeah, looked and thought it was Abramovich’s yacht., Only with cannon laughing

        Yes, because this yacht can be armed with a machine gun "Maxim" and an old xoxl-ensign with a mouthpiece-shob to swear at enemies at a distance. Otherwise, with rocket and torpedo loading, it will sink in a 5-point storm immediately after leaving the port.
        Who is this pest that rivets such projects ??? am
    7. silver_roman
      silver_roman 18 February 2016 17: 58
      0
      the species is not particularly important, it is most likely an export modification for a third of the country. Essentially, the armament is suitable for the coast guard. in the version for our Navy, we would have just stuck a couple of calibers.
  2. Pravdarm
    Pravdarm 18 February 2016 13: 58
    +7
    Beautiful yacht! laughing
    I would like that!
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 14: 15
      +7
      Quote: Pravdarm
      Beautiful yacht!

      Abramovich cried somewhere laughing
      1. cap
        cap 18 February 2016 14: 29
        +2
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Beautiful yacht! laughing
        I would like that!

        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Beautiful yacht!

        Abramovich cried somewhere laughing


        Remove the weapons, remove the armor. Instead of the helipad, the pool.
        I want it ....! laughing
        1. Irbis77
          Irbis77 18 February 2016 15: 01
          +1
          in round-the-world a couple of trunks will not be inhibited, especially in the Gulf of Aden if you feel the urge to feel the local natives.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 18 February 2016 20: 09
          0
          Quote: cap
          Remove the weapons, remove the armor. Instead of the helipad, the pool.
          I want it ....! laughing

          Do not clean the pool !!! It will fit a lot of beer! good
  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 18 February 2016 13: 59
    -2
    God grant that as little time as possible can pass between the design and transfer of the ship to our Navy.
  4. sledge
    sledge 18 February 2016 14: 03
    +1
    Nice! On its base, you can build yachts for moneybags
  5. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 18 February 2016 14: 03
    -1
    Beautiful, looks like a yacht
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 February 2016 14: 04
    +6
    "The customer of the ship is unknown" - confess on the site - who ordered a naval yacht for yourself? ?? angry
    1. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 18 February 2016 14: 05
      +2
      Everything is fine with the projects, but the pace of construction is bad.
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 14: 06
      +5
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      "The customer of the ship is unknown" - confess on the site - who ordered a naval yacht for yourself? ?? angry




      for Belarus
      1. Lieutenant Izhe
        Lieutenant Izhe 18 February 2016 15: 20
        +1
        for Belarus

        But father will fend off American aircraft carriers sailing to its shores ?! belay
  7. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 February 2016 14: 06
    +2
    It turns out that it will be larger than the buoyan? But only his goals and tasks are completely different.
  8. da Vinci
    da Vinci 18 February 2016 14: 08
    0
    IMHO: In my opinion, a helicopter is not needed here (this is a ship of the coastal zone), it is better to strengthen combat capabilities, including using a modular equipment system to perform a wider range of tasks. smile
  9. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 February 2016 14: 09
    +1
    By the way - the proportions of the image are not respected. For 70 meters, the ship in the figure is small. ..
  10. alex80
    alex80 18 February 2016 14: 10
    +2
    Well, why the hell did he give up !? We need to reduce, within reasonable limits, the type of ships,
    and we produce and propagate it again No. Current projects must be brought to mind and the series is desirable
    increase, and they are already proposing new ones to start building, especially without significant changes in performance characteristics wassat
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 18 February 2016 14: 16
      +2
      The same problem with armored vehicles: the variety is off-scale, the real series is not enough.
  11. Leprekon
    Leprekon 18 February 2016 14: 11
    0
    How mysterious it sounds
    whose customer is still unknown
    ! The intrigue, however - Prokhorov, Abramovich, Moscow Region, FSB, or someone else?
    And no kidding, there are now more hopes for small projects than for ambitious ones, especially since the "kids" have already shown their agility with Caliber.
    1. izya top
      izya top 18 February 2016 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: Leprechaun
      Intrigue however

      what is the intrigue? is it to evacuate GDP bully
      The parliamentarians adopted an appeal to Russia with a number of requirements, and also appealed for support to the world.
      The Verkhovna Rada requires Russia to immediately leave Crimea and the uncontrolled areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
      This requirement is contained in the appeal of the parliament to parliamentarians of foreign states, parliamentary assemblies, international organizations, which the Ukrainian deputies supported by 236 votes.
      Parliament calls on the Russian Federation to end "the continuing practice of abductions, illegal detentions and arrests of Ukrainian citizens, a ban on the entry of representatives of the Crimean Tatar people into the territory of the Crimean peninsula, violation of freedom of speech and the media, restriction of freedom, religion and peaceful assembly."
      The people's deputies also demand from Russia to stop directly or indirectly supporting the separatists of Donbass.
      Parliament also requires the Russian Federation to fully comply with the requirement of the UN General Assembly Resolution of March 27, 2014 "Territorial integrity of Ukraine", the provisions of the Minsk agreements and a set of measures for their implementation dated February 12, 2015.
      In addition, Russia is required to "immediately release political prisoners - residents of Crimea, comply with the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights, ensure and facilitate the unhindered admission of international missions and human rights organizations to the territory of Crimea."
      The Verkhovna Rada calls on the international community to continue to exert pressure on Russia as a country that grossly violates the UN Charter, the Memorandum on Security Guarantees in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of December 5, 1994 (Budapest Memorandum), the Final Act of the Security Conference and cooperation in Europe of August 1, 1975, the 1999 International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism.
      The Ukrainian parliament also supports the position of the European Parliament on the need to start an international negotiating mechanism to restore Ukrainian sovereignty through the de-occupation of Crimea in the "Geneva plus" format with the direct involvement of the EU in this process.
  12. Engineer
    Engineer 18 February 2016 14: 12
    +1
    The picture is somehow hacky: torpedo tubes will not be able to turn around - they will simply abut against the back.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 18 February 2016 14: 49
      +3
      And he probably has them on the brackets ... falling overboard.
      .
      The drawing has nothing to do with the 1300 ton ship.
      This is some kind of yacht, really.
      And the helicopter aft will simply drown such a vessel.
      ..
      What kind of garbage - the artillery mount half-tank takes RBU-6000 half-deck ....
      the proportions are not clearly observed.

      On my TFR, 50 projects (1200 tons), there were three towers, 100 mm each and 2 RBUShki. So with the proportions ....
  13. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 14: 12
    +3
    How much can new projects produce? Let's first complete a series of existing projects.
  14. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 18 February 2016 14: 15
    19
    Oh my God! Where else ?!
    Just for clarity:
    -Patrol ships of the 22160 project
    - Missile boats of the 1241 project
    -Small rocket ships of the 21631 project "Buyan-M"
    -Corvettes of the 20385 project (6)
    -Corvettes of the 20380 project
    -Ship ships of the 11356 project
    -Frigates of the 22350 project
    We have other ships with displacement from 1 thousand to 4,5 thousand tons - 7 projects !!! This project is the eighth !!! belay
    Yes, compared with the current situation, the Soviet Navy is simply the peak of minimalism and unification! what
    1. Mercenary
      Mercenary 18 February 2016 14: 23
      +1
      It also says the customer is not known! (shabashka)
    2. common man
      common man 18 February 2016 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      Oh my God! Where else ?!

      In principle, it is true. You can develop an IPC in the building of one of the existing projects. For example, 22160. It is unlikely that it will be possible to unify the equipment. As far as I know, the hydroacoustic complexes are quite voluminous. The development of an anti-submarine missile in the dimensions of "Caliber" with placement in the existing UVP is quite urgent.
      1. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 18 February 2016 16: 41
        +1
        In principle, true. You can develop the IPC in the building of one of the existing projects. For example 22160

        Wrong! Too cheap option! laughing
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 February 2016 15: 01
      0
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      Yes, compared with the current situation, the Soviet Navy is simply the peak of minimalism and unification.

      Not so bad.
      Project 22160 is a border guard, it has its own niche.
      Project 1241 - it was still being built in the USSR.
      Project 21631 - these are new RTOs that will gradually replace 1241 ..
      Projects 20380 and 20385 are the development of one project.
      There are really two series 11356 and 22350 with frigates / watchtowers.
      1. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 18 February 2016 15: 30
        +3
        hi
        The 22160 project is border guards, it has its own niche

        With gauges? Wow border guards!
        1241 project - it was built in the USSR

        This does not prevent them from remaining in the ranks, and therefore counted.
        The 21631 project is the new RTOs that will gradually replace 1241

        At the same time, they are going to build also 22800 ...
        20380 and 20385 projects are the development of one project

        Very mediocre, I would say ... But, what is ...
        Do not forget that all these subprojects did not come from a good life, requiring extra costs and time.
        There are really two 11356 and 22350 series with frigates / watchtowers

        Here is just the most understandable situation! One was supposed for the Navy of India, the other for itself. As a result, the 6 Talvars have long been used by the Indians, and we still have not a single 22350 or 11356 in the ranks!
        Something like this ...
        By the way, not only the fleet is such a hodgepodge!
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 18 February 2016 15: 39
          +2
          Border guards have patrols 22460 hi
          1. Rokossovsky
            Rokossovsky 18 February 2016 16: 26
            +1
            Here he is really a patrol hi
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 18 February 2016 15: 56
          0
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          With gauges? Wow border guards!
          There are not many complexes, but as far as I know they are intended for the border service.
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          This does not prevent them from remaining in the ranks.
          Clear business, but it is no longer worth considering it on a par with new ones.
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          At the same time they are going to build
          It really is not clear why.
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          Do not forget that all these subprojects did not come from a good life.
          And here you are wrong. Any large series of ships is upgraded more than once during the production process. Old drawings are simply strewn with changes in the spirit: "for such and such an order, put this, and for this, this."
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          Here is just the most understandable situation!
          I see. It’s just that it is here that two series really occupy one niche, and are being built simultaneously.
          1. Rokossovsky
            Rokossovsky 18 February 2016 16: 35
            +1
            Old drawings are simply strewn with changes in the spirit: "for such and such an order, put this, and for this, this"

            This suggests that the original draft was not finalized. Later they began to "shove" new equipment and weapons into it, as it was adopted by the fleet. Which, as I wrote above, implies time and money.

            request
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 19 February 2016 09: 02
              0
              Quote: Rokossovsky
              This suggests that the original draft was not finalized. Later, they began to "shove" new equipment and weapons into it, as it was adopted by the fleet

              That is, do you think that outdated equipment should be put on ships? There is such a thing as scientific and technological progress and it does not stand still. Military equipment is changing accordingly. This process is going on in all countries, the same Americans, although they call all their destroyers arly berks, but depending on the time of construction they are divided into three series
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 18 February 2016 16: 06
      +2
      Project 1241 missile boats are no longer built for themselves. Corvette 20385 was supposed to be built instead of 20380 - that is, this is its new generation, but due to sanctions and import substitution it is necessary to go back to 20380. RTOs 21631 and 22800 differ from each other. Brawler is a flat-bottomed boat and is not suitable for stormy seas. 22160 - corvette ravine. Frigates 11356 were ordered because they could be built quickly, and the Black Sea Fleet needed a quick update. They will no longer be pledged for sure. Frigate 22350 is essentially a second rank destroyer and the backbone of our ocean-going fleet for the next 20 years.
      PM turns out to be a simple bundle. For the defense of their shores and ravines - a bunch of "corvettes" 20380 (or their modernized version), MRK 21631 or 22800 (depending on the TVD), corvette RVR 22160 and DEPL 636,3. For the far sea zone - frigates 22350, udk and leaders. 11356 - limited edition. It's not even a fact that the sixth ship will be laid, because there is no sense in it anymore.
      Nothing can be said about this IPC, because there is no information on it yet. The options may be the following - export, replacement of old IPCs, or a relatively rapid buildup of anti-submarine assets in some area. No one has yet spoken about the inclusion of this type of ship in Goz.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 18 February 2016 16: 34
        +2
        By the way, I have the most important question, why are they building both Karakurt 22800 and "patrol" 22160 at the same time. Both those and those, MRK, which carry "calibers". From my point of view, there is no difference - why are two identical projects ?!
        1. Rokossovsky
          Rokossovsky 18 February 2016 16: 38
          +2
          By the way, I have the most important question why both Karakurt 22800 and "patrol" 22160 are being built at the same time

          Same question... smile
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 18 February 2016 20: 53
          +1
          The projects are completely different. 22800 is mr. That is just a cheap platform for missiles. Purpose - to provide the necessary density of volley cr. That is, the ship itself was created to wear a caliber. For 22160, the ability to wear calibers is a bonus. The main purpose after all is corvette ovr - control of the territory. The modular principle allows you to collect equipment for specific tasks - territory control, reconnaissance, escorting convoys or displaying a flag. In general, a cheap multifunctional corvette. Well, if it comes to the database, you can put it on it and it will turn into a MRK in this case, but this is not its main purpose. hi
  15. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 February 2016 14: 25
    +1
    Design bureaus also want money (and more!) And they pay them for such pictures, so they produce them on an industrial scale, and then everything depends on connections and "decided". Unification does not bother anyone from the word at all, well, maybe only the military, although I think they are also brought in "for decisions."
  16. ava09
    ava09 18 February 2016 14: 27
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: Pravdarm
    Beautiful yacht!

    Abramovich cried somewhere laughing

    Abramovich because of this does not cry, he is in all respects, even without taking comfort into account, is better. Our people are generous, benefited the oligarch ...)
  17. Conscience
    Conscience 18 February 2016 14: 29
    0
    maybe there are closed compartments with weapons - I like it - for coastal basing, it’s so organic.
  18. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 18 February 2016 14: 31
    0
    While one plus is visible: low radar signature. The rest will show time.
  19. Lieutenant Izhe
    Lieutenant Izhe 18 February 2016 14: 45
    -4
    Broke, damn it ... stop
    SAID .. "customer UNKNOWN"! belay
    For theirs (Saudi, Iranian, Iraqi, Qatari
    @ @ etc.) money- ANY VOIG! wink
    Let our carabelas (on their orders) "fill their hand" ...
    I hope, it is NOT NECESSARY to remind whose money the Pantsir air defense system, S-350 was developed?
  20. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 18 February 2016 14: 51
    +1
    I am not an expert in sea battles. But I would like to know what is more effective: one large ship or several small ones, equivalent in firepower. In both cases, there are certain pros and cons. Everything determines the courage and skill of the people in whose hands is the weapon. Outwardly it seems: the spool is small, but expensive.
  21. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 18 February 2016 15: 02
    +2
    Today at the Zelenodolsk plant them. Gorky laid the foundation of the third of a series of patrol ship, Pavel Derzhavin, named after the captain of the 1 rank of the Navy of the USSR, participant in the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union Pavel Derzhavin. It was he who during the years of World War II was the commander of the brigade of armored boats of the Danube military flotilla, which included armored boats released from the stocks of the Zelenodolsky plant named after Gorky, including the legendary armored vehicle BKA-75 "Kalyuzhny."
    According to the designer's data, Severnoe PKB OJSC, a vessel of the 22160 project with a displacement of about 1,3 thousand tons ensures a long presence in the far sea zone (autonomy - 60 days). The ship has high speed characteristics (maximum speed - up to 30 nodes), it is designed to ensure comfortable crew accommodation (up to 80 people). To increase the search potential and conduct search and rescue operations on the ship, a 12-ton helicopter is based. In addition, the ship is equipped with radio-technical and sonar weapons, as well as electronic countermeasures. The main power plant of the ship is a CODAG type plant with full power up to 25 000 kW.
  22. Wal
    Wal 18 February 2016 15: 08
    0
    More like a yacht.
  23. starschina
    starschina 18 February 2016 15: 13
    0
    maybe Eun ordered? glamorous and with guns!
  24. tchoni
    tchoni 18 February 2016 15: 21
    +3
    In general, I hurt a little. More precisely, I will try to reason logically. So we have: Small anti-submarine ship with elements of stealth technology. Several "why" asks right away:
    1) Why does he need 100mm AU? Watering the shore? - so this is not his job. And, in general, let the coast handle a ship specially made for this business. It can be simpler and smaller, and even beloved comrade. Kaptsov, elements of body armor carry. Yes, and drown, not so sorry.
    2) About the combination of RBU on the deck and stealth elements have already been mentioned. I will mention it again. since they took the case to lick it and the nerf spoiled it with variously protruding details. You can completely spoil it.
    3) Anti-aircraft weapons - it seems to fit into the doctrine, but, again, does not fit into the stealth technology.
    4) Well, and since we have an anti-submarine ship, there is no way the demon of a powerful search sonar complex. And about it it is said to the contrary a little.