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About informational contraception. Evil Ivan №19 with Ivan Victory

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Hello to all ours and not to ours, I am Ivan Victory, and today I will teach!

There is a war against the Russians. And one of its stages is informational. But the damage it brings no less than its hot phase. Specific countries, organizations and persons do not like us, our country, our ideas and our actions. Therefore, they are making tremendous efforts to suppress, denigrate us and, at least mentally, destroy.

We turn on the negative, on emotions. And they do it in order to suppress in us joy, pride, the desire to change ourselves, the world and the country. Trying to impose a sense of guilt for their homeland, for their historyfor the Russian people. To instill a false thought that everything is bad, everything is gone, and it will be even worse ...

Negative is an infection by looking news in a negative emotional flow, reading them on the Internet, you are like a plague infected, you bring destruction and despondency to this world. You carry it in your life and family.
You spoil the mood of yourself and others, you become angry, but infantile whiner and a loser. A filter is activated in your head, which notices everything bad in everything.
In this state, you will certainly make a mistake somewhere, do something wrong, do not watch, do not guess, do not finish it. The problem is that a great number of people are infected with negative and despondent. And across the country, all of this is reflected in the well-being of each of us.

In this condition. You will work worse, earn less, and accidents will happen to you and people close to you more often. And after a while, your life will go downhill. You will be fired, you will drink, your wife will leave you and the children will begin to despise. Fuh!
And of course you will begin to blame the authorities and Putin personally for all your troubles.
And all because he did not obey my advice ... =)

And here are some simple tips for prevention and mental contraception.

Do not watch TV, it is evil, absolute evil. Do not look at it news, crime chronicles, all sorts of political shows and other scandalous dirt, and crap.
Do not read the news on the Internet. Do not use news aggregators such as Yandex news or mail.ru news ... They are fighting not on our side. And reading the headlines alone is enough to make you depressed for the whole day. Here is a list of sites that purposefully sow discouragement and negativity.

RBC, Moskovsky Komsomolets, Novaya Gazeta, Komersant, Forbes, Dozhd, Newsru-com, Echo of Moscow, Business FM, Elephant, Znak, "Gazeta-ru", "Rosbalt", "Medusa", "Lenta-ru",

Most of the regional and city portals and forums can be added to this list. They are bought by Western media companies. And used in the information war against you.

If you are still interested in news, economics and politics - here is a list of news and analytical sites that I trust and recommend.
Forums Global Adventure, "Aftshok", "PolitRasha" and the site "Made with us"
There is a minimum of fakes and stuffing. Therefore, the risk of picking up informational infection is reduced.

We continue!
Avoid abstractions and generalizations. If someone nearby starts howling that everyone steals around, everyone takes bribes and demand specifics and evidence. Behind each crime is a specific name and surname.
Do not communicate with alarmists, whiners and pessimists. Communicating with them is contagious and detrimental to your life.

Now about personal responsibility.
If you can personally influence the situation. Then act and make every effort to change something! For example. If you have facts of crimes, write to the FSB and the prosecutor's office. Housing and communal services are not working well - collect neighbors and defend your rights. If the official does not fulfill his duties write to the higher authorities. Do not be afraid to sue, now the courts are up to the mark and if you are right, in 99 cases from 100 you will win the process. Even if you are suing traffic police, police or tax.

And perhaps the most important piece of advice.
If you personally can not influence the situation or event, then do not waste your time and energy on it. This includes abstract abuse of power, politicians, opposition and liberals, concerns about refugees in Europe, outrage over the actions of America or Turkey, or even Ukraine.

These are simple rules that will change your life and make it better. And it's completely free =)

And of course, develop, self-educate, lead a healthy lifestyle and think more with your head.
Ahead of the global world crisis, we did not create this crisis and we did not cause it. This is a crisis of the entire capitalist system. The familiar and familiar world will collapse loudly and painfully. But Russia has everything to survive this crisis with the least losses and recover from it before others.

I have an old but good picture.
About informational contraception. Evil Ivan №19 with Ivan Victory

"Once we knew how to fly." We just forgot it ... But we will remember, we will definitely remember.
And I'm on 100% sure that the author agrees with me. We started to remember. We want to learn to fly again. And we are making our first tentative steps for this. And I know that we will remember everything, and our dreams, and our goals, and our ideology. Russian ideology of truth and justice. For yourself and for the whole world.
We are again starting to build an empire, and we can do this better than anyone else!

Everything! Believe in your people and your country! Victory will always be ours!
See you soon!
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  1. Michael67
    Michael67 19 February 2016 12: 12
    -25 qualifying.
    Of course, victory will be ours. Here is your picture of yourself everywhere. And I don’t like her here, speaking diplomatically.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 19 February 2016 12: 24
      10
      Quote: DMB3000
      IT IS TIME FROM THE FURNACE TO SLIP AND FORWARD TO THE EXPLORATIONS !!!

      Yes, we got off the stove for a long time and rolled up our sleeves to bring Victory to anyone who knows how, only our exploits are still underestimated. The list is correct.
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 19 February 2016 12: 34
        19
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, we got off the stove for a long time and rolled up our sleeves to bring Victory to anyone who knows how, only our exploits are still underestimated. The list is correct.

        . yes, at least on the resource it is necessary to begin to restore order ... well, we will soon be on the list with Rain and the Ear of Moscow ... two frankly yellow articles per day:
        - FATCA factor. How American law can affect any Russian
        - Crimea: security issues
        . frank lies and distortion of facts ... to read disgustingly, in both cases substantively proved that frank lies ... hi
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 February 2016 12: 51
          +7
          Quote: Inok10
          will soon be on the list with Rain

          By the way, funded by Gazprom. "Divide and Conquer" Is this the reason why this generator is kept?
          А
          site “Made with us”
          , where the author sends us, is engaged in postscripts, for which they also planted earlier.
          A thinking person will find a grain of truth in various sources (the official media are silent about the situation at AvtoVAZ), and the conclusions will be right. And the slogans and tips from this article are suitable for a dumb herd, accustomed to chewing gum from the media.
          So dear "Ivan Pobeda" - there is no need to rate the intellectual level of the regulars of VO so low. hi
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 19 February 2016 13: 01
            +8
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            By the way, funded by Gazprom. "Divide and rule"

            ... You probably meant the Ear of Moscow? ... so one young and talented journalist has already worked there, Lesya Ryabtseva, whom the Venediktov took under the wing ... only the result was a big scandal in the "noble family not systemic" ... she turned out to be a "mishandled Cossack" and all the dirty linen " not systemic "dumped on public display ... how many howls and screams it was and laughter ... hi
            1. GDP
              GDP 19 February 2016 14: 28
              +8
              I am always happy to watch all issues of Ivan Pobeda and look forward to new ones. And the message of this video is also correct, BUT as the daughter of a Ukrainian officer in the Crimea said - not everything is so simple :)
              Now you can’t get anywhere from the information flow and you need to look at the news and visit hostile resources and read in translation ...
              It’s just that you need to approach any information wisely - critically, think, analyze, discuss ...
              From empty criticism and analytics is also useful. This allows us to determine our citizenship and decide who to vote for. Otherwise, we give the choice to the wrong hands or to chance.

              And you always need to remember that we are essentially warriors of the information war, and every word we say is a bullet that we can shoot at the enemy or in the foot ... :)


              Each person managing our state should be the object of our attention, criticism or pride.

              I like Putin as a person, but this does not negate the fact that stupid and unnecessary laws come out in the Duma under the auspices of the EP, and many officials are incompetent and clearly not sitting in their place ...
              1. Altona
                Altona 19 February 2016 14: 58
                +4
                Quote: GDP
                BUT as the daughter of a Ukrainian officer in the Crimea said - not everything is so simple :)
                Now you can’t get anywhere from the information flow and you need to look at the news and visit hostile resources and read in translation ...

                ----------------------
                This is the first thing. Here Ivan Pobeda took off the tracing paper from American psychotherapists, who advise to be on "eternal positive" and "not to dissipate energy." Therefore, I did not like it. Law enforcers, they are also now ambiguous. In the actions of the collector who threw the Molotov cocktail, the crime cannot be found. It’s strange. There are already several moments - extortion, damage to property, an attempt on the life of a child.
              2. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 20 February 2016 05: 23
                -6
                Quote: GDP
                I am always happy to watch all issues of Ivan Pobeda and look forward to new ones.

                I sincerely pity you))) Lover of "Full House" with Dubina Regovitskaya and immortal Vagonich)))) ??
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 19 February 2016 13: 09
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            where the author sends us is engaged in postscripts

            Can I have some examples?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 February 2016 16: 06
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              Can I have some examples?

              They are trying to substitute quantity for quality (The stupid penguin timidly hides, the brazen one proudly gets it!). Compare the number of employed workers at the "newly opened" factories listed on the "Made for Us" site and the number of those laid off or laid off at other factories.
              In Togliatti, there used to be a lot of plumbing jobs, but now, after the VAZ employees cuts, they are not there. Easy to check on city sites.
              I don’t trust the Communists very much, but lately I like Zyuganov’s speeches. AND Leonid Kalashnikov(Now a deputy of the Communist Party, he began as a master at the VAZ). According to the situation at the VAZ, he is 100% right.
              hi
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 19 February 2016 16: 25
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Trying to replace quantity with quality

                It talks about specific facts made in specific cases, and does not keep any statistics, that is, there are no posts there.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 19 February 2016 20: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  that is, there are no posts there.

                  Then how else can you call substitution a quantity of quality?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 20 February 2016 08: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Then how else can you call substitution a quantity of quality?

                    This is a site where facts about what has been done in Russia are collected - no less, no more. It would be possible to talk about substitutions or postscripts if the site owners compiled statistics that were not true, but there was nothing of the kind there. As a matter of fact, most of the articles are links to other resources gathered together for the convenience of those interested in news.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 20 February 2016 08: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      This is the site where facts about what has been done in Russia are collected.

                      This site purposefully clogs the information space with a kilogram of cotton wool, diverting attention from the theft of a centner of gold. hi
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 February 2016 12: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        This site purposefully clogs the information space with a kilogram of cotton wool
                        That is, you don’t have any concrete examples of the fact that they are manipulating something, and you just can’t stand any MI tools that are talking about successes, and are not looking for any even the most trifling problem to scream that everything is lost?
                      2. KKND
                        KKND 20 February 2016 16: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, you have no concrete examples of the fact that they are manipulating something.

                        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/12144/
                        Please tell us where there is no fraud
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 20 February 2016 19: 12
                        0
                        Quote: KKND
                        Please tell us where there is no fraud

                        I read the article and did not understand what you found the fraud. Do you have other information on the numbers indicated in the article? Then where are they?
                      4. KKND
                        KKND 21 February 2016 12: 59
                        +1
                        You yourself think why in the article there are no specific names, ISO names, photos of these magic microcircuits.
                        I don’t have any data, but something tells me that in a country where a domestic mobile phone cannot be bought, suddenly microcircuits (apparently not replaceable magic) in every 6 mobile phones are from the realm of miracles.
                        You yourself are not funny.
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 February 2016 16: 28
                        0
                        Quote: KKND
                        You yourself think why there are no specific names in the article

                        Because this is an ordinary article, not a progress report. If you are interested in the details, then at the very beginning of the article a link to the source is given, where more detailed information is given.
                        Quote: KKND
                        I have no data

                        This is what I meant.
                        Quote: KKND
                        microcircuits (apparently not replaceable-magic) in every 6 mobile phones this is from the realm of miracles
                        The fact that according to article 5/6 of these microcircuits is not made by us, suggests that they are completely interchangeable. As for miracles, where did you get the idea that we have no exports other than PR? About an oil needle shout at every corner, but is that so? It is enough to recall the current drop in oil prices - yes, some problems with the budget started, but obviously not in proportion to the change in prices.
  2. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 13: 13
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    And the slogans and tips from this article are suitable for a dumb herd, accustomed to chewing gum from the media.


    and here is the opinion below:
    Quote: BerBer
    To the author plus. Simple and easy to understand.


    you see, to lift the toilet seat, a friend, it turns out, needs "simple and intelligible" advice from an "expert". The main thing is simple.
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 19 February 2016 13: 29
    +4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    (official media are silent about the situation at AvtoVAZ)

    and about UVZ, Igor, is also silent ... and there it is more important than in Togliatti, there is a defense industry.
    So dear "Ivan Pobeda" - there is no need to rate the intellectual level of VO regulars so low
    tudy to his swing ... yes
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 February 2016 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      and about UVZ, Igor, is also silent ... and there it is more important than in Togliatti, there is a defense industry.

      Hi Yuryevich! hi According to UVZ I agree, my relatives are in Tagil, my mother is from there (Lining). Uncle senior citizen UVZ.
      But it is not worth understating in Togliatti either - in Soviet times, in the event of a war, a VAZ could be reoriented to release armored vehicles within 2 weeks. And now... crying
  4. Shveps
    Shveps 19 February 2016 13: 37
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    So dear "Ivan Pobeda" - there is no need to rate the intellectual level of the regulars of VO so low.


    "We are starting to build an empire again, and we know how to do that better than anyone else!"

    Who are we?
    Is our government building an empire?
    Or are we (tolerant society) - builders, to spite any rulers?
    RAVE!!!
  5. starper
    starper 20 February 2016 05: 05
    +1
    I am pleased to shake your hand, in other words, fully support :-)
  • Oden280
    Oden280 19 February 2016 17: 53
    0
    About FATCA is absolutely the right article. It has long been known about this, that using this system they try to obtain information about our country and use it to strangle it.
  • starper
    starper 20 February 2016 05: 00
    +1
    But do not want to be on the same list with the Truth of the times of Brezhnev? Only 2 articles from a dozen and you are already for the revolver? Well, tovach will go far :-)
  • The black
    The black 19 February 2016 12: 13
    13
    A simple and very cheap scheme has been selected. Under the slogans of democracy, human rights and similar empty words, self-destruction of national sovereign states is organized. National cultures are being destroyed, supplanted by the mass media with the inhuman "mass culture," morality is being destroyed, everything is being done to destroy the family, and degrade education and health systems. Add to this addiction, prostitution, alcoholism. All this is done under the guise of beautiful words, in different ways continuously repeated by the media
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 19 February 2016 12: 20
      +4
      I agree with the author that a lot of media are hostile! But to look and read them normal, understanding people need to analyze and - "the enemy must be known by sight", to know his lies!
      But these infections do not act badly on immature brains!
      But
      Comrade, believe: she will rise,
      Captivating Star of Happiness,
      Russia will rise from sleep
      And shoot these scum of autocracy!
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    2. sever.56
      sever.56 19 February 2016 12: 23
      11
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/662/zloc756.png

      "Friends" of Bandera are enemies of Russia ...
      It's time to cover up these "shops", which are spoiling in Russia with the money of Western
      special services and fugitive criminals, such as Khodorkovsky. In the "civilized and democratic" West for libel, insults and calls to overthrow the government
      they would have long been condemned and ravaged by millions of fines, and the editors
      would have steamed on the bunks, with a period of about twenty years!
      1. RomanS
        RomanS 19 February 2016 13: 33
        0
        It's time to cover up these "shops", which are spoiling in Russia with the money of Western
        special services and fugitives
        This is exactly what is happening in democratic Latvia and Ukraine.
  • Haettenschweiler
    Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 12: 14
    +7
    - Well, believe in your country and all that ... but there is one small problem:

    The only daughter of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Ekaterina, lives and studies in the United States.

    He is currently graduating from Columbia University in New York and plans to stay in the United States on an ongoing basis.

    Three daughters of the Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Sergey Zheleznyak study abroad.

    Catherine is in an elite Swiss school (tuition costs 2,4 million rubles per year from 6 to 12 grade), Anastasia - in London, at the university (tuition per year - about 630 thousand rubles).

    The youngest, Lisa, currently also lives in London.

    It is interesting that the "patriot-sailor" Zheleznyak declared income in 3,5 million rubles and at the same time pays 11 million per year for the education of his children in Western Universities ...

    Family of State Duma Deputy Speaker Sergei Andenko

    The daughter studies and lives in Germany.

    Family of Deputy Prime Minister D. Kozak

    The eldest son of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak - Alexei has been living abroad for at least six years and is engaged in the construction business

    He is a co-owner of several foreign companies: Red, McBright and Yuna. At the same time, he works at VTB State Group.

    Alexei Kozak’s younger brother, Alexander, works at Credit Suisse.

    This year, authorities in Germany and the United States accused the Swiss bank of helping high-ranking customers avoid taxes. There is an investigation.

    Family of State Duma Deputy A. Remezkov from the United Russia Faction

    Remezkov's eldest son, Stepan, recently graduated from Valley Forge Militar College in Pennsylvania (a year of study costs 1 million 295 761 rubles).

    The son of the deputy was trained under the program for US Army officers (!!!).

    Styopa then entered the private Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York.

    The deputy’s middle son, Nikolai, has been studying in Malvern College in the UK since 2008.

    And the youngest daughter lives in Vienna, where she does gymnastics. Masha Remezkova represented the Austrian team (!!!) at the children's competitions in Ljubljana.

    “And so on ... so what is Mr. Ivan talking about?” What patriotism and calm? Officials - the people who rule your country - do not put it penniless. And they don’t put you.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 12: 21
      -1
      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      so what is Mr. Ivan talking about? What patriotism and calm?

      and he, in fact, does not refer to the characters you have listed. Patriotism is the religion of the poor.
      “Patriotism in its simplest, clearest and undoubted meaning is nothing more for the rulers as an instrument for achieving power-hungry and selfish goals, but for the governed it is the renunciation of human dignity, reason, conscience and slavish submission to those in power. So he is preached everywhere where patriotism is preached. Patriotism is slavery ”(Leo Tolstoy)
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 12: 23
        -1
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        and he, in fact, does not refer to the characters you have listed. Patriotism is the religion of the poor.


        - If you look at his speech from this point of view, then everything falls into place.
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 19 February 2016 12: 33
          +7
          One of the sons of Remezkov when he was a papic, the vice-governor of the Krasnodar Territory was the culprit of a major scandal. Appeared at a party of majors in the form of an SS officer - and hit the film of journalists. A kind of patriotism is peculiar and not always understandable.
        2. Inok10
          Inok10 19 February 2016 12: 54
          +2
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          - If you look at his speech from this point of view, then everything falls into place.

          ... and, here is a little list that you scribbled on top ... has evidence? ... you can even make people answer for the words ... information sources in the studio and I don’t like phrases: ... yes everyone knows that ... laughing
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 19 February 2016 13: 49
            0
            Quote: Inok10
            ... and, here is a little list that you scribbled on top ... has evidence?

            Yes, this gentleman published this list (though he managed to expand it), they answered him reasonably, with evidence, but he did not calm down, he continues to shove it wherever possible and impossible. The list is compiled according to the principle: a lot of truth and a little lie. But the lie has its purpose, focus.
          2. Haettenschweiler
            Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 15: 12
            -1
            Quote: Inok10
            ... and, here is a little list that you scribbled on top ... has evidence? ... you can even make people answer for the words ... information sources in the studio and I don’t like phrases: ... yes everyone knows that ...


            - Say it more simply: "I don't believe that my leaders put a fat bolt on my patriotism and sent their children abroad with large sums of money that came from nowhere." If you can refute - refute, but, thank you, the forum is not the format where a long and tedious discussion "who knows what from where" makes sense. The journalists did their best for me and made this sad list.

            Quote: EvgNik
            Yes, this gentleman published this list (though he managed to expand it)


            - Ah, little liar. This list has never been published by me, and last time the dispute was about Putin's daughters. And only about them. And "they answered him with reasoned" - also, in fact, lies, a competent position was defended "no one can know anything for sure." So - I congratulate you liars!
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 19 February 2016 17: 25
              +3
              Quote: Haettenschweiler
              - Say it more simply: "I don't believe that my leaders put a fat bolt on my patriotism and sent their children abroad with large sums of money that came from nowhere." If you can refute - refute, but, thank you, the forum is not the format where a long and tedious discussion "who knows what from where" makes sense. The journalists did their best for me and made this sad list.

              ... no need to turn around on the tail ... I once again demand that they explain to the whole honest community of VO where you got the data from ... just ... and blame people on the basis of what facts! ... provide a source of information, and the community will appreciate its knowledge and objectivity! ... if they were journalists, then who are they and where was it published! ... bother to answer for your words! .
              1. Haettenschweiler
                Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 18: 06
                0
                Quote: Inok10
                bother to answer for your words! ...


                - Oh, how burnt. "They could not have deceived me !! .." Here, catch:

                http://politrussia.com/control/top-10-predstaviteley-vlasti-203/

                - Completely Orthodox "PolitRasha". Even Ivan Pobeda himself recommended it. Do you have any questions? Or more sources? Or is "PolitRasha" incompetent?
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 19 February 2016 18: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Haettenschweiler
                  - Completely Orthodox "PolitRasha".

                  ... minus mine ... shit . Gryzlov has no daughter ... he has a son Dmitry ... laughing ... that’s the whole veracity of this material ... well, about Zhirinovsky’s general scream ... laughing ... everything is clear with you, another BBT ... Wireless female telegraph ... laughing
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 19 February 2016 19: 11
                    +1
                    The general tendency to send children and finances by those in power abroad is obvious. The dispute over the particulars of the general picture does not change.
                    The question does not give rest, how would the current government behave if it were it in November of the 41st?
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 19 February 2016 19: 39
                      +4
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      The general tendency to send children and finances by those in power abroad is obvious.

                      ... facts to the studio ... but about trends, it’s in the kitchen behind a glass ... IN THE MEDIA ... Or do you need this? ... such fabrications, until confirmed by facts, are fabrications . hi
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 19 February 2016 19: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        . IN THE MEDIA ... Or do you need this? .

                        I need our country to become fit for the people living in it, and not just for cosmopolitans and campradors.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        such fabrications, until confirmed by facts, are fabrications ...

                        If links to sources kindly provided Haettenschweiler Haettenschweiler , they don’t act on you, then there are only two facts - Luzhkov and Skrynnik, I hope you have no doubt about these facts.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 February 2016 23: 10
                        +3
                        Monok, "Arguments and Facts" will suit you? Type "Heirs from Beyond the Cordon" there, I don't know how to stick links.
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                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 19 February 2016 19: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: Haettenschweiler
                      That's all your awareness

                      ... this is not the source ... this is a yellow resource and it’s not a secret to anyone that Gryzlov has no daughter! ... you will poke someone else’s thread, learn to communicate and a culture of behavior ... without respect ... negative
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 19 February 2016 20: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: Inok10
                        Gryzlov has no daughter!

                        ... eloquently ...
                      2. Haettenschweiler
                        Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 20: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Inok10
                        this is a yellow resource


                        - As well as "PolitRasha", against which YOU did not object, while "Ivan" was talking about it.

                        Quote: Inok10
                        it’s not a secret to anyone that Gryzlov has no daughter!


                        - Evidence? What is this "not a secret" argument? Is this not what YOU were trying to accuse me of?

                        According to the "nonexistent" daughter of Gryzlov:

                        Son - Dmitry (born 1979), daughter - Eugene (born 1980).

                        http://ria.ru/spravka/20121119/911262411.html


                        "Ria" also became "yellow"? Here is the following resource, definitely controversial, but still:

                        Daughter - Eugene, born in 1980.

                        http://perebezhchik.ru/person/gryzlov-boris--vyacheslavovich/

                        - And then stupid laziness, anyone interested can type in a search engine "daughter of Gryzlov."
                      3. Kochegarkin
                        Kochegarkin 19 February 2016 23: 38
                        +1
                        I'm even confused ...
                        But what is this reference ?????




                        http://ria.ru/spravka/20151226/1349530287.html#14559140347773&message=resize&rel

                        to = register & action = addClass & value = registration
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 20 February 2016 00: 28
                        +4
                        Kochegarkin, and where are you sending the people? recourse
                    2. Inok10
                      Inok10 20 February 2016 01: 41
                      +3
                      Quote: Haettenschweiler
                      - As well as "PolitRasha", against which YOU did not object, while "Ivan" was talking about it.

                      ... I am not Ivan ... and this is his opinion about "PolitRush", not mine ... let me focus, I did not speak out on this subject ... you were asked to politely provide a source of information to your abomination from today (19.02.16/12/14) written at XNUMX:XNUMX ... listing:
                      1. The only daughter of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Ekaterina, lives and studies in the United States. - lies not confirmed
                      2. Three daughters of the Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Sergei Zheleznyak study abroad. - lies not confirmed
                      3. The eldest son of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak - Alexei has been living abroad for at least six years and is engaged in the construction business - lies not confirmed
                      4. The younger brother of Alexei Kozak, Alexander, works at Credit Suisse. - lies not confirmed
                      5. Family of the State Duma deputy A. Remezkov - 50/50 coincidence, partially ...
                      from the source you cautiously, when you were pressed against the wall: http://politrussia.com/control/top-10-predstaviteley-vlasti-203/ ...
                      of 5 total 0,5 . not much ... but in the new list Boris Gryzlov surfaced with "Daughter" ... well, all of Star and Mlad Kamradov VO probably remembers the Children of L-that Shmit, thanks to the immortal creation of Ilf and Petrov - "The Golden Calf" ... hi ... the same with the daughter of Mr. Gryzlov ... the maximum that you managed to dig ... "another pearl" of our journalism ... (on the screen) ... here the truth is one misfortune ... Quote:
                      Material prepared on the basis of RIA Novosti information and open sources
                      ... that is, they do not bear any responsibility for the reliability ... open sources such as the Wireless Woman's Telegraph and the rest from the category of the Ear of Moscow and lenta.ru, to which you previously referred ... it is somehow strange even why about "Daughter "Mr. Gryzlov, even Wikipedia does not know, it is difficult to reproach these gentlemen for sympathy for Russia and give them free rein, they would have already attributed something else ... but it's strange ... silence about" Daughter ", I posted the screen above, then even they did not have enough impudence for such a thing ... so you Haettenschweiler Your liar and your fate is not enviable . negative
                    3. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 20 February 2016 02: 06
                      -1
                      Quote: Inok10
                      ... I'm not Ivan ...

                      Roman Seleznev He was arrested by US agents at the airport in the Maldivian capital in early July. He is accused of cyber fraud and theft of banking data. The Russian faces up to 30 years in prison in the USA and a fine of millions of dollars. Another trouble happened with the son of the vice speaker of the State Duma Alexander Zhukov, Peter. During training in London, Zhukov Jr. went to prison after a drunken brawl.
                      See also:
                      The son of deputy Seleznev left in custody in the United States
                      However, other children study abroad quite successfully and without any excesses. So, according to again open sources, Three daughters of State Duma Deputy Speaker Sergei Zheleznyak study abroad: two in London, one more in an elite Swiss school.
                      Two sons of deputy Alexander Remezkov are studying in the United States and Great Britain. The youngest daughter lives in Vienna, where she does gymnastics. Masha Remezkova even represented the Austrian national team at children's competitions in Ljubljana.
                      The son of the main fighter for traditional Orthodox values ​​of the deputy Elena Mizulina studied at Oxford, received a diploma and moved to permanent residence in tolerant Belgium.
                      Where his children will study is everyone’s business, said Vyacheslav Nikonov, chairman of the Duma’s education committee. His son himself has American citizenship.
                      Vyacheslav Nikonov
                      Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Education
                      “Of course, if the Foreign Minister believes that the daughter should live and study in Russia, I think it’s right. But, in any case, it is the choice of him and his daughter. Should others follow suit? Again, how many people, so many cases. I think everyone has their own opinion about what kind of career awaits their children. But for me it’s obvious that if someone sees children and their career in Russia, then, of course, it makes no sense to send them to study in other countries. ”
                      Children and other officials study and work abroad. So, according to the magazine "Interlocutor", the eldest son of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak - Alexei has been living abroad for at least six years and is engaged in the construction business.
                      The eldest son of the Commissioner for Children's Rights, Pavel Astakhov, Anton studied at Oxford and at the New York School of Economics.
                      The most modest (CARL !!) turned out to be the daughter of a permanent member of the Security Council, Boris Gryzlov. She lives in Tallinn.
                      In turn, the Kiev newspaper Vesti wrote that the daughter of the head of the SBU, Valentina Nalyvaichenko, lives in Manhattan and uses the services of firms created by her father, who has US citizenship.

                      Learn comrade, refute)))
                    4. Inok10
                      Inok10 20 February 2016 02: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      Learn comrade, refute)))

                      ... minus mine! ... this is YOU NEED TO PROVE! ... ah, not for me to refute! ... Shame ... negative
                    5. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 20 February 2016 02: 44
                      -1
                      Quote: Inok10
                      ... minus mine!

                      Stupid, primitive, not funny, wassat classic cheers marshal tongue , used to sculpt instead of arguments cons, EW and Gauges - this is your EVERYTHING !!!! fellow
                    6. Inok10
                      Inok10 20 February 2016 02: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      Silly, primitive, not funny, the classic cheer-marshal, used to sculpt cons instead of arguments, EW and Gauges - this is your EVERYTHING !!!!

                      ... you also need to copy-paste wisely ... laughing laughing laughing laughing good . on the screen ... ah, is Nalivaichenko too ours? ... ah, we then Kamrada don’t know ... in what ... laughing
                    7. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 20 February 2016 02: 58
                      -1
                      Quote: Inok10
                      Nalyvaichenko is also ours

                      Yeah, uel, so uel .. wassat You better talk about those who are higher in the text)) and leave Nalivaychenko to the Censor wassat
                      PS thanks to people like you, topvar has been balancing on the verge of censorship recently ... fool
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 20 February 2016 06: 29
    +1
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    So - I congratulate you!

    Looked at your posts. I did not find the one I was talking about. Are you doing cleanups? Delete what compromises? Troll - he is also a troll in Africa.
  • Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 13: 14
    -4
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    from this point of view, then everything falls into place.

    Yes, in fact, everything was in place.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 19 February 2016 12: 40
    +8
    Patriotism is the religion of the poor.


    But cosmopolitanism is the religion of the rich ... well, where you can keep stolen money from the poor.

    Patriotism is slavery ”(Leo Tolstoy)


    I categorically disagree with this because they try to push our fathers and grandfathers who fought for our MOTHERLAND under this definition ... and those who say this themselves are slaves hehe heh black master.
    Recently, I have increasingly seen attempts by some cosmopolitan gentlemen to replace the notion of patriot and patriotism in general ... this is called information diversion in the minds of people.

    Ivan VICTORY is certainly an optimist and suggests not watching, reading, listening, not trying, to avoid the infection of maydaunism smile .
    stupid of course ...
    in life, realists rely on the Kalashnikov assault rifle (to which I include myself),
    pessimists on the Chinese,
    optimists on the anglo-saxons.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 14: 29
      -4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Ivan VICTORY is certainly an optimist and suggests not watching, reading, listening, not trying, to avoid the infection of maydaunism

      in fact, optimism has nothing to do with it. This is just paranoia. His ideal, in this case, is the cadavre of Professor Vybegallo (if you know what I mean)
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 20 February 2016 02: 53
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      in life, realists rely on the Kalashnikov assault rifle

      I always say that in life there are two things that me will not betray, will not sell and will not refuse help - I myself and a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

      And I’m sure of myself a little less than in the AKC ... laughing
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 19 February 2016 13: 14
    +5
    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
    Patriotism is slavery

    And what then is freedom, can one be curious?
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 13: 38
      +3
      Quote: Dart2027
      Quote: Zeppelin ml.
      Patriotism is slavery

      And what then is freedom, can one be curious?

      Freedom is slavery. (J. Orwell) laughing
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 19 February 2016 14: 20
        +2
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        Freedom is slavery. (J. Orwell) laughing

        That is, there is no clear answer?
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 14: 31
          -2
          Quote: Dart2027
          That is, there is no clear answer?

          I doubt you have. Just dismiss the "intelligible" citation of Wikipedia and other compilations laughing
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 19 February 2016 14: 51
            0
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            Just dismiss the "intelligible" citation of Wikipedia and other compilations

            Then explain what you mean by compilation.
            In addition, I still did not understand what you consider freedom if patriotism is slavery?
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 15: 07
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              Besides, I still don’t understand what you think is freedom.

              what do you dislike about the Orwell paradox?
              Quote: Dart2027
              mean compilation.

              network garbage after entering the search string "freedom is ..."
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 19 February 2016 15: 29
                -1
                Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                what do you dislike about the Orwell paradox

                I asked a simple and clear question and would like to get a simple and clear answer. But what then is freedom, can I get curious?
                Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                network trash

                That is, you yourself do not know?
                1. Zeppelin ml.
                  Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 16: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I asked a simple and clear question.

                  that is, in your opinion, the question "what is freedom?" simple and clear?
                  I sincerely envy you.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  That is, you yourself do not know?

                  Of course no. Something tells me that I don’t recognize the definition of “freedom”. At least today laughing
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 19 February 2016 16: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    I sincerely envy you.
                    In this case, you can find out what your quotation means.
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    Freedom is slavery. (J. Orwell)
                    Do you think this is a definition of freedom? What exactly is meant? This is your quote, not mine, so please explain.
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    Of course no.
                    That is, you demand me
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    dismiss the "intelligible" citation of Wikipedia and other compilations
                    despite the fact that you yourself do not know what compilation is? Original
                  2. Zeppelin ml.
                    Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 16: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    Patriotism is slavery

                    And what then is freedom, can one be curious?

                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    Freedom is slavery. (J. Orwell)

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    What exactly is meant?

                    pretty dumb dialogue, don’t you? laughing
                    Specifically, comrade, I meant, citing Orwell's paradox, that the search for a definition of the concept of "freedom" is not very promising and usually leads to a pseudophilisophical jungle with a heap of quotes and maxims, presented as the fruit of one's own reflections. Is that clearer?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    despite the fact that you yourself do not know what compilation is?
                    let's get along without it. I mentioned compilation exactly for the reason stated above.
                  3. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 19 February 2016 17: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    Specifically, comrade, I meant, citing the Orwell paradox

                    Let's start with the fact that you did not cite any paradox because it does not exist. It was a quote from 1984 that exemplifies doublethink, the ability to hold two opposing beliefs at the same time. Simply put, opportunism.
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    I mentioned compilation exactly for the reason stated above.

                    That is, you really do not know.
                    Compilation is the writing of texts based on other people's research or works, without their own creative processing, and sometimes without understanding what is at stake.
                    An example would be your attempt to shove a quote from Orwell.
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    that the search for a definition of the concept of "freedom"

                    Returning to the beginning, it was you who began this conversation comparing patriotism with slavery.
                  4. Zeppelin ml.
                    Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 17: 46
                    -1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, you really do not know.

                    of course of course. And then, of course, stupidly copy the text of Wikipedia
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Compilation is the writing of texts based on other people's research or works, without their own creative processing

                    If you were not an ordinary Wikipedist, that is (I’m specially chewing for you) did not demonstrate linear thinking here, then, apparently, you would understand that
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    a heap of quotes and maxims issued as the fruit of their own thoughts.
                    - it means exactly the same as your wiki quote.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    To begin with, no paradox ... is an example of doublethink, that is, ability ...

                    Yes ... Actually, it’s difficult, of course, to argue with Wasserman’s vest. Strained extension. You are an uninteresting interlocutor. Goodbye.
                  5. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 20 February 2016 12: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    And then, of course, stupidly copy the text of Wikipedia

                    I quote Wikipedia:
                    Compilation (from lat. Lat. Compilatio - theft, robbery, robbery, accumulation of extracts → fr. Compilation “rob, steal”) - literary activity, which consists in composing and writing texts (scientific, educational, artistic) based on other people's studies or works , without their independent creative processing, sometimes without understanding the sources used; also literary work drawn up in this way. A compilation may also be part of the work. Compilation should be distinguished from plagiarism, since in this case we are talking about works (reviews, essays, monographs) that require a large number of sources (for example, in encyclopedic articles, biographical literature, works on genealogy, etc.)
                    I remind you that I wrote:
                    Compilation is the writing of texts based on other people's research or works, without their own creative processing, and sometimes without understanding what is at stake.
                    There is a difference, however, the correct spelling (compilI amtion) I really copied.
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    If you weren’t ordinary
                    If you weren’t an ordinary fool who doesn’t know anything, you wouldn’t have to try to hide your ignorance behind clever words that you don’t understand.
                    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                    Yes ... In general, it’s difficult, of course, to argue with
                    the person who better understands the meaning of the quotations you cited?
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 20 February 2016 01: 44
        +1
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        "freedom is.

        Zepp.ml I saw a tattoo on a tramp's hand -SER "freedom is paradise" lol
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 20 February 2016 03: 02
    +2
    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
    Freedom is slavery. (J. Orwell)

    Ignorance is power laughing Our people do not read classics. And then the liberals would look like in a mirror -
    ... doublethink is the ability to sincerely believe in two mutually exclusive things, or change your mind to the opposite when ideologically necessary.

    Newspeak's keyword was "White black"containing two mutually exclusive concepts. It "signified a habit brazenly, contrary to the facts, insist that black is white.
    - For some reason I remembered Michael Bim-Bohm, Boris Borisych and the funny trinity Yakhno-Karasev-Kovtun. The latter also have green always red, and Bandera-hero ...
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 19 February 2016 13: 42
    +5
    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
    Patriotism is slavery ”(Leo Tolstoy

    Not always Lev Nikolaevich was right, oh not always. He had more errors than intelligently expressed philosophical thoughts. No wonder he is almost not quoted, and if quoted, then quotes taken out of context look clumsy and unconvincing.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 14: 08
      -2
      Quote: EvgNik
      clumsy

      Poor, poor count ... Alas, "a motherfucker"! ... Someone Yevgeny Nikolayevich reminded you of a "two" in literature for a monologue of Prince Bolkonsky and with inert language sent you to the scrap.
      Quote: EvgNik
      No wonder he almost never cited

      nearly. Nda. In second place in citation after Fedor Mikhailovich. However, of course,
      Quote: EvgNik
      unconvincing.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 19 February 2016 14: 20
        0
        quote Prince Myshkin? (in second place), before the insanity, like the genius count.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 14: 33
          +1
          Quote: bober1982
          quote Prince Myshkin?

          not at all. In my opinion, "War and Peace"
          Quote: bober1982
          to insanity
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 19 February 2016 15: 58
            +2
            "War and Peace" is Tolstoy's patriotic novel, and you give out his quotes from works of a completely different period of his life, when he began to philosophize, when Tolstoy the patriot simply disappeared.
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 16: 24
              -1
              Quote: bober1982
              Tolstoy’s patriotic novel, and you give out his quotes from the works of a completely different period of his life-

              what do the periods have to do with it? It is about which work of the count is most quoted in the world.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 19 February 2016 17: 49
                0
                of course - "War and Peace", a very patriotic work, but why then you don’t quote, is this the most quoted work in the world? And you grab any dregs.
                And you will quote Fyodor Mikhailovich, which is the first in the world (according to your words), and instead of it you give out the hackneyed phrase of Saltykov-Shchedrin.
                You still quote about shelter of villains, so, to the heap.
                1. Zeppelin ml.
                  Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 19: 59
                  -2
                  Quote: bober1982
                  You still quote about the refuge of villains, so, to the heap.

                  laughing No problem. "It is considered undesirable for the proles to have a great interest in politics. They only need primitive patriotism - to appeal to him when it comes to lengthening the working day or reducing rations." (C)
                  sanctions, "Krymnash", liberals all around, the fifth column, Kiselyov, the image of an infinitely stupid, but bloodthirsty enemy (they are by numbers) ... It is easy to feed "primitive patriotism" with modern means of communication at your disposal)
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 19 February 2016 20: 30
                    0
                    You disappointed me with the comment! But what about the unforgettable Dr. Johnson? Although he is easily distorted, you could include it in your collection of quotes.
                  2. Zeppelin ml.
                    Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 20: 48
                    0
                    Quote: bober1982
                    You have disappointed me

                    I can handle this somehow. laughing
                  3. bober1982
                    bober1982 19 February 2016 21: 41
                    +1
                    Good luck, comrade! I just ask you without the hackneyed quotes in response (I mean the Tambov wolf)
  • bober1982
    bober1982 19 February 2016 14: 00
    +1
    L.N. Tolstoy has gone from patriot of his homeland to a pacifist, it makes no sense to quote from his works on patriotism.
    But one, characteristic, still wants to quote:
    .....love for the Fatherland is something disgusting and miserable ...
    Only left to shrug, a genius after all.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 14: 23
      -1
      Quote: bober1982
      But one, characteristic, still wants to quote:
      ..... love of the Fatherland is something disgusting and miserable ...

      the friend above answered you:
      Quote: EvgNik
      and if quoted, quotes taken out of context look clumsy and unconvincing.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 19 February 2016 14: 38
        +2
        You would quote something of the great and ingenious, well, at least the one that is most quoted, and which has shut the belt of the count philosopher himself, and you are sending me to an unknown comrade.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 19 February 2016 14: 33
    +4
    Patriotism is a love of the motherland. Homeland where your treasure is. What is wrong with patriotism? Another thing is that under patriotism we are presented with duping and new serfdom, yes, no doubt.
  • Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 19 February 2016 15: 28
    +2
    Quote: Zeppelin ml.

    Patriotism is the religion of the poor.
    “Patriotism in its simplest, clearest and undoubted meaning is nothing more for the rulers as an instrument for achieving power-hungry and selfish goals, but for the governed it is the renunciation of human dignity, reason, conscience and slavish submission to those in power. So he is preached everywhere where patriotism is preached. Patriotism is slavery ”(Leo Tolstoy)

    Here, in VO, I also once quoted these words of L.N. Tolstoy, but with the proviso - "you have to be a patriot in wartime." And in addition to L.N. Tolstoy and I will add my own wonderful words of the Russian writer and thinker V.V. Rozanova: "It's not a great thing to love a happy and great homeland. We must love it, precisely when it is weak, small, humiliated ..." (Fallen leaves. - SPb., 1913, p. 83)
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: Mangel Olys
      Here, in VO, I also once quoted these words of L.N. Tolstoy, but with a reservation

      reservation, sorry, yours?
      Quote: Mangel Olys
      And in addition to the thoughts of L.N. Tolstoy and his

      good co-authorship. At what, I note, the count’s thought is singular, unlike yours laughing
      1. Mangel olys
        Mangel olys 19 February 2016 17: 20
        -1
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        Quote: Mangel Olys
        Here, in VO, I also once quoted these words of L.N. Tolstoy, but with a reservation

        reservation, sorry, yours?
        Quote: Mangel Olys
        And in addition to the thoughts of L.N. Tolstoy and his

        good co-authorship. At what, I note, the count’s thought is singular, unlike yours laughing

        What is this - "hitting"?
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: Mangel Olys
          What is this - "hitting"?

          a person who "quotes, but with a proviso" to run into is more expensive. Is that - "hitting, but with a reservation." laughing
  • Ivan Victory
    19 February 2016 12: 40
    12
    It is amazing how the whiner’s brain is able to interpret the simple theses that I gave in the article. =) Can you influence Lavrov’s daughter? Not? You can only whine and moan about it.

    But you can influence the officials you come across. You can improve the life around you, in your city. But this is too small for such a guardian for the happiness of the people ...
    Tear off your ass and act if you can change something. You can’t change, shut your mouth and do not interfere with your whining, to those who can.
    This is the main message of the article.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 12: 43
      -3
      Quote: Ivan Pobeda
      This is the main message of the article.

      why so many letters then? Banality can usually be put in one paragraph.
      1. RomanS
        RomanS 19 February 2016 13: 36
        -2
        I agree, banality is possible, but there is no way for the program.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 13: 38
          -1
          Quote: RomanS
          but the program doesn’t.

          What program?
          1. RomanS
            RomanS 20 February 2016 09: 24
            -1
            Optimism, a trained function, but requires specific methodological actions. Which (this is the program) the author clearly and clearly told.
    2. Azitral
      Azitral 19 February 2016 13: 06
      +7
      And if it is different? Between us, in all honesty, - WHAT IS BAD in education abroad BY YOURSELF? The Chinese study, the Koreans study, the Indians study, and in their countries no one makes betrayal out of this. Having your own people in other countries is the desired norm. The higher their position, the better. How to influence other countries, how to win some positions there, if you don't have your own people there? Ah, to have, but not these! Correct. From the workers 'and peasants' ranks. Send, but only those on the hook? Actually, it's disgusting, but, in the above examples, there is a hook. It is impossible to explain, the stupid ones do not see, the enemies do not want to see. Alas, the poor have much less resistance to temptation. A bit old, but I regret not having the opportunity to "take a course" in a good US medical school. A class is when we learn both at home and there, and they are only at home.
    3. Gorodovik
      Gorodovik 19 February 2016 13: 22
      +4
      The problem here is not that people whine. And even honestly for me it’s not that officials steal. And the fact that an inefficient model of the economy is now built. Honestly, it would be all the same to the daughters of the Officers if I could live with dignity with dignity. But this is not so. I lived and was born in a village. From the age of five he helped to grow potatoes. And if at the end of 90 beginning of 2000 it could be sold or exchanged somewhere. But nowhere. And naturally in my village there was no earnings. Who is to blame for this? 7 Whom to complain about. So, according to your words, my village needs to shut its mouth and not complain. A worthy promise.
      The main problem of your message is that you either do not know how to live in Russia or simply outright stupidity. After all, it was difficult to live in Russia not because all the whiners are loafers, but that is the economic policy of the state.
    4. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 15: 17
      -2
      Quote: Ivan Pobeda
      Can you influence Lavrov’s daughter? Not? You can only whine and moan about it.


      - First, tie the broomstick, my dear, you chose the wrong dialogue format. Or "caught the star"? Nobody called you names, despite the appearance even.

      Quote: Ivan Pobeda
      But you can influence the officials you face. You can improve the life around you, in your city.


      - I can. And who told you that I’m not doing it, are you a piece of earflaps? Come and see. Actually, you just don’t do anything, just try to teach others how to live.

      Quote: Ivan Pobeda
      You can’t change, shut your mouth and do not interfere with your whining, to those who can.


      - The main message: close your mouth. So? Do not complain, eat what they give, see how insanity grows stronger, people are kicked out of their homes, business is squeezed out ... and shut your mouth. Go better write a letter to the official, which he will wipe with. Patriotism "in Ivanovo".
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 19 February 2016 14: 24
    +3
    Are you envious, or what? Are you ready to vouch. that if you were able to pay for tuition, you would send your children to study at the University of Mukhros-ka, and not abroad. Why are you sure that those who studied abroad will surely betray their homeland, the academician physicist Kapitsa was sent to study in England, so he became a Nobel laureate and, by the way, took part in the creation of Russian nuclear weapons. Before the collapse of the USSR, many also whined about the dachas of the Central Committee members. I saw Romanov’s dacha, so even in it then I would have disdained living a simple Zavskladom. The author is right that our TV knowingly or stupidly, I do not know, chews on various tragedies all day long. if God forbid there is a fire somewhere or gas explodes, then this tragic news for our media will become a topic for the whole day, precisely to impress people that everything is bad with us. I, too, got, for example, news from Ukraine, it was hard for me to look at our shame, this spoiled my character. But then I just sent our ex-brothers along with their overseas owners on a long sexual journey, and it became immediately easier to live, anyway. I can do nothing. I wish you to stop being sad about other people's children and focus on those problems that you are pleased to solve.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 15: 31
      -2
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Are you envious, or what? Are you ready to vouch. that if you were able to pay for tuition, you would send your children to study at the University of Mukhros-ka, and not abroad.


      - I am a private person. The capture of my children and subsequent blackmail will not harm the country at all, or it will be extremely minimal. Now simulate the situation for the children of the above officials. Once you refuse to think with your head. This is the first. The second is the money issue. The network has declared income of these officials. There you can find out the cost of training in these places. And compare. And to wonder, perhaps.

      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Why are you sure that those who studied abroad will surely betray their homeland


      - This is a pointless and philosophical question. Of our leaders, who could not be blackmailed by children, I know only Stalin, who managed to overcome himself and refused to change the German officer to his son, an ordinary soldier.

      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      The author is right that our TV knowingly or stupidly, I do not know, chews on various tragedies all day long. if God forbid somewhere a fire occurs or gas explodes, then this tragic news for our media will become a topic for the whole day, precisely to impress people that everything is bad with us.


      - The author sucked this nonsense from, I hope, a finger. Do you need to explain?


      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      I wish you to stop being sad about other people's children and focus on those problems that you are pleased to solve.


      - Interestingly, my retired neighbor is pleased to solve the problem of how to survive on retirement, because she has no children? And, well, yes, she needs to think about another problem that will be a pleasure to solve. I’ll go and tell her how to live properly.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 19 February 2016 16: 25
        +4
        Firstly, you don’t have to think out for me, I only think with my own head, and secondly, why are you sure that these children will be stolen and why you are sure. that if they were stolen, our leadership would step aside for their liberation by the national interests of Russia, it seems, was an example. when in the Maldives the Americans stole the son of one of our deputies - and that our state did something ?, then, what did you consider the cost of educating these children? In addition to teaching purely for money - in the West there is a system of grants for free education and training on credit (I know the example of Finland) - I agree that earlier it was easier for the children of our deputies to attach their children, but not now, when the same Zheleznyak is under sanctions. The philosophical question is not a meaningless question. Could you give an example when blackmail by children led to a change in our policy? But Kapitsa, the same Stalin, sent to study in England from where he returned, although Rutherford persuaded him to stay, and brought great benefits to the USSR with his labors. Our TV really serves the interests of our enemies in the information war, hushing up achievements (in fact, last year a new large enterprise appeared in Russia almost every week, it is hushed up, and disasters are brought to the fore. As for me, I’m not only now I’m a pensioner, but also disabled - but when I switched from sucking up problems that I’m not able to solve anyway, I really felt better - that’s all.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 19 February 2016 14: 30
    +2
    For them, our country is a feeding trough.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 15: 15
      0
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      For them, our country is a feeding trough.

      Of course. All the more cynical is the intention of the authorities to take care of patriotism. As Shchedrin used to say: "Apparently, they are talking about patriotism, they are preparing to steal something ..."
      1. Kolka82
        Kolka82 19 February 2016 15: 42
        -1
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        For them, our country is a feeding trough.

        Of course. All the more cynical is the intention of the authorities to take care of patriotism. As Shchedrin used to say: "Apparently, they are talking about patriotism, they are preparing to steal something ..."

        Preparing the "electorate" for the privatization of the remnants of state-owned enterprises laughing
  • DMB3000
    DMB3000 19 February 2016 12: 16
    -5
    IT IS TIME FROM THE FURNACE TO SLIP AND FORWARD TO THE EXPLORATIONS !!!
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 12: 17
      -4
      Quote: DMB3000
      IT IS TIME FROM THE FURNACE TO SLIP AND FORWARD TO THE EXPLORATIONS !!!


      - Hooray! For the wallets of the oligarchs, for the impunity of officials, for mutual responsibility and the absolute irresponsibility of the authorities - go ahead, comrades, to embrasures!
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 19 February 2016 13: 10
        +5
        Where are you calling? Understand the demolition of the regime? Near - demolished, even rejoice so far, but not so much. I visited, talked, so I'm against demolition.
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 15: 20
          -3
          Quote: Azitral
          Where are you calling?


          - I urge you to think with your head, and not with chanting slogans.

          Quote: Manul
          Over the side of Putin, America will help us, disarm and everyone will love us, bulk in the presidency, dump the monuments to Lenin, at the same time as tsarism?


          “You, dear Mr., did you get all this from where?” What kind of senseless stream of sick consciousness?

          Quote: Manul
          You do not have and will not have any aspirations, because they cannot be in a liberal oppressed consciousness. .


          - Firstly, I am not a liberal and never have been, otherwise I would have sat in the Kremlin and spit on your head. Well, like Medved or some other Siluanov. Secondly, you again said nonsense about some kind of "oppressed consciousness", although the author of the message, with his jingoistic pro-oligarchic slogans, is more suitable for this definition.
          1. Manul
            Manul 23 February 2016 04: 20
            0
            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            although the author of the message is more suitable for this definition, with his cheers-patriotic pro-oligarchic slogans.

            From this place in more detail. If I am for the oligarchs, then for whom are you? Ready to go to you if you bother. And plus or minus the answer so that it is noticeable that they answered. Naturally, a minus for now.
      2. Manul
        Manul 19 February 2016 13: 17
        +3
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        - Hooray! For the wallets of the oligarchs, for the impunity of officials, for mutual responsibility and the absolute irresponsibility of the authorities - go ahead, comrades, to embrasures!

        Well, what do you suggest? Over the side of Putin, America will help us, disarm and everyone will love us, bulk in the presidency, dump the monuments to Lenin, at the same time as tsarism? You do not have and will not have any aspirations, because they cannot be in a liberal oppressed consciousness. .
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 19 February 2016 19: 03
      +1
      TIME FROM THE FURNACE TO SLIP AND FORWARD TO THE EXPLORATIONS, end of quote DMB 3000
      by girls?
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 19 February 2016 12: 17
    +8
    The list of malicious electronic media that deliberately sow negative is pretty accurate.

    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 12: 35
      +2
      Quote: Gormengast
      The list of malicious electronic media that deliberately sow negative is pretty accurate.

      Well, read the AfterShock propelled here:
      "State of Wisconsin USA: Outraged Migrants Storm the Capitol"
      "The USA is Crawling into Recession - Fast and Furious"
      and other positive. "There is a minimum of fakes and stuffing. Therefore, the risk of catching an information infection is reduced." (C) - well, yes, well, yes ... A link to the yellow Istanbul TV channel, which threw in about "22 pilots", and the journalists picked up and smashed - this, of course , an example of unbiased and objective journalism.
      To seek objectivity in the media is to be likened to Pinocchio, piercing the canvas with his nose in search of a hearth.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 19 February 2016 13: 58
        -1
        To seek objectivity in the media is to be likened to Pinocchio, piercing the canvas with his nose in search of a hearth.


        You said it right ...

        In the morning for a warm-up I climb on these media ... eyes on my forehead climb from the delirium that they carry there.
        smile After an hour, you feel paranoid and maydown ...
        but when you go to our IEE, you immediately become a normal person ... especially when you talk with our extreme comrades forum users .... not everything is lost for our HOMELAND ... there are people who can withstand the information pressure of our enemies in the media.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 19 February 2016 12: 18
    +8
    How many times have I come across the fact that seemingly intelligent people, and at the same time not liberals, find some strange pleasure in learning that there is a problem. At the same time, when you start talking about the fact that not everyone is so bad, they begin to answer in the style of "who do you believe", "you haven't seen this," etc. As Medinsky wrote in his myths about Russia ("On Russian theft, a special path and patience"):

    Finding among the Russians the most mysterious negative qualities, including patience and a love of cruelty and violence, our enemies looked at the quality that we really have - cultural-historical masochism.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 12: 20
      -4
      Quote: Dart2027
      As Medinsky wrote in his myths about Russia


      - This is not the same Medinsky, who sang like a nightingale, praising "Burnt by the Sun - 2", this spit in the face and to all Russians, and, especially, veteran front-line soldiers? Yes, the authority of this, sorry, man is unshakable. Here is the first link found:

      "" "Burnt by the Sun-2. Anticipation ”is an ideologically significant and extremely necessary for the country today, correct cinema. I will leave the professional details to be judged by film experts from VGIK. But, in my opinion, it is necessary to make sure that this film is seen by every high school student, every soldier, "said Vladimir Medinsky."

      http://patriotplatform.ru/news/5625.html

      - So in your place I would refrain from quoting this creature.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 19 February 2016 13: 07
        +3
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        This is not that Medina

        Yes he. Just let’s remember how much dirt Soviet historians poured on the history of pre-revolutionary Russia. The fact that he is anti-communist does not negate the fact that his books have a lot of right.
      2. Manul
        Manul 19 February 2016 13: 21
        +3
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        who sang like a nightingale, praising "Burnt by the Sun - 2", this spit in the face and all Russians, and, especially, veteran front-line soldiers?

        I'll tell you more - Burnt by the sun -2, this is still a spit in the whole cinema. But you can always find the good in life, and you are looking for the bad. Some hatred of everything blows from you. And do not be upset that people answer you in the same vein.
    2. Azitral
      Azitral 19 February 2016 13: 22
      +5
      "Black idealism". I invented the concept myself, I am proud, but I did not issue copyright. This is when a person, reverently, lightly and trustingly, without a shadow of doubt, without subjecting the facts to analysis, believes in everything bad. At the same time, he considers himself to be Terty Kalach, who cannot be fooled. Not that the idealists are "rosy". In fact, manipulating such is - well, no more difficult. And to deceive is, perhaps, even easier. "Everyone steals," I agree, a find. How is it known? Do they do it in plain sight? And one more gem: the amount of corruption. Counting methodology, please - into the studio! If there is such a method, then this is the Nobel Prize in Economics! Better to keep it secret, use it inside, and get rich together with the country! And then the counters give too much variation: some trillion, some three.
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 15: 23
        -3
        Quote: Azitral
        "Black idealism"


        - I do not understand, did not re-read. Another nonsense-gag, has no relation to the meaning of the discussion.

        Quote: Dart2027
        Yes he. Just let’s remember how much dirt Soviet historians poured on the history of pre-revolutionary Russia. The fact that he is anti-communist does not negate the fact that his books have a lot of right.


        - I didn't even know that he was an "anti-communist". In my opinion, it has nothing to do with it.

        Quote: Manul
        I'll tell you more - Burnt by the sun -2, this is still a spit in the whole cinema. But you can always find the good in life, and you are looking for the bad. Some hatred of everything blows from you. And do not be upset that people answer you in the same vein.


        - Okay, I'll go watch The Citadel and cry pink tears from emotion - we can! After all, our everything, Russian! "Filmed according to secret documents" by Mikhalkov himself, the beacon of Russian cinema!
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 19 February 2016 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          I didn't even know he was an "anti-communist". In my opinion, it has nothing to do with it.

          If nothing to do with it, then why are you talking about Mikhalkov’s film? You already decide, as well.
          1. Haettenschweiler
            Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 15: 38
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            If nothing to do with it, then why are you talking about Mikhalkov’s film? You already decide, as well.


            - What kind of nonsense ?! That is, he praised the film in which Mikhalkov stole millions of people's money and riveted rare rubbish, just because he is anti-communist ?!
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 19 February 2016 16: 29
              +1
              Quote: Haettenschweiler
              That is, he praised the film on which Mikhalkov stole millions of people's money and riveted rare rubbish, just because he is anti-communist
              Actually, at the beginning you said that "" Burnt by the Sun - 2 ", this spit in the face and all Russians, and especially veteran front-line soldiers", I replied that the fact that Medinsky approved not the best film about the Second World War does not change the fact that in his books there is a lot of right... About "Burnt by the Sun" you spoke, not me.
              1. Haettenschweiler
                Haettenschweiler 19 February 2016 18: 09
                -1
                Quote: Dart2027
                In fact, at the beginning you said that "Burnt by the Sun - 2", this spit in the face of all Russians, and especially veteran front-line soldiers, "I replied that the fact that Medinsky approved not the best film about the Second World War does not change the fact that there is much that is correct in his books. About "Burnt by the Sun" you spoke, not me.


                - Comrade, you have serious problems with causation and logic. With his approval of this "masterpiece" a certain Medinsky presented himself, firstly, as a Russophobe of the highest standard, and secondly, as a man of extremely low culture and intellectual level. Looking for "a lot of the right things" in his books is, from my belfry, like looking for pearls in a mountain of excrement. Occupation ... not for me, alas. Although theoretically it could be there.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 February 2016 08: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Haettenschweiler
                  To look for "a lot of correct things" in his books is, from my bell tower, the same as looking for pearls in a mountain of excrement
                  And I don’t ask you. I cited a quote from his book indicating the author, the rest of the conversation is entirely your initiative.
                  Is there any objection to this passage?
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 19 February 2016 12: 28
    -5
    Do not watch TV, it is evil, absolute evil. Do not look at it news, crime chronicles, all sorts of political shows and other scandalous dirt, and crap.

    Why didn’t you finish Vanya from the heights of Petrosyan’s humor, okromya Kiselev, Brilev, Solovyov and REN TV ??? wassat
    Well now, fuck the hell, lovers of flat humor))
  • Berber
    Berber 19 February 2016 12: 30
    0
    To the author plus. Simple and easy to understand.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 19 February 2016 12: 32
    0
    I welcome the picture! The pigs are at the helm of the authorities, for some reason they are always "rearward" to the people, for, if they turn away from the "trough", their place will be instantly taken by other "equids".
  • triglav
    triglav 19 February 2016 12: 37
    +7
    The author is right, if you can improve something - do it! There is a list of deputies from whom children study abroad for rabid grandmothers. despite the fact that there is nothing in the declaration, write a letter to the Duma, let them understand. Do not want to, write to facebook or instagram - shame on the whole world. Pusb feel bad. As for information sites and the media, the author is also absolutely right: either the fifth column, or, like MK, a news viper. In the past, the editor-in-chief Pavel Gusev said that the main thing for MK is to dump information, and only then to understand its reliability. That’s all democracy.
    1. 2С5
      2С5 19 February 2016 13: 01
      +2
      ... drop by drop wears away the stone, and if the people are each drop by drop, spit and butt, then it can already be poured, spit and plugged until blue in the face ... no need to be like "some" who steal and fatten, defend and strive for YOUR OWN! Th "o" Fri, the easiest way is to nod at the wrong neighbor, but to change yourself and change your neighbor with your example and not only his weak? Still, a good and positive tendency in society to laugh and not accept everything "avno thrown at the fan blowing in our direction by various oppositionists, State Departments and other riffraff ... let poisonous saliva flow on the side of the road ... we will forgive them of course ... then ... posthumously ...
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 19 February 2016 12: 48
    +3
    The immortal utterance of Professor Preobrazhensky is completely lacking. laughing

    You know, I made 30 observations in my clinic. And what do you think? Patients who do not read newspapers feel great. Those whom I specially forced to read [...] - lost weight. [...] Not only that. Reduced knee reflexes, poor appetite, depressed mood.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 February 2016 12: 49
    +1
    Do not watch TV ... Do not read the news on the Internet

    Maybe it’s better to watch and read only what seems to you the most truthful and of interest to you? And so, it’s easier to go into the dead taiga, away from people and the media.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 13: 18
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Maybe it’s better to watch and read only what seems to you the most truthful and of interest to you?

      I think that's what we all do. The author, with his advice, will amuse even readers of Murzilka. And there’s a serious audience, I guess ...
  • Lysik001
    Lysik001 19 February 2016 12: 53
    -3
    The list of enemy publications is basically correct, only M.K. how did you get there? Well, neither can they be added to this list. Then everyone can be recorded there. Totally NEUTRAL edition. Well, definitely not Rain and not RBC.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 20 February 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: Lysik001
      The list of enemy publications is basically correct, only M.K. how did you get there?

      Can I open RBC now and bring a link to an enemy article from there? or the media are divided according to the principle FOR Putin and Against. So call it that, or how do you explain issuing a license to ENEMIES? I personally do not want to live in a scoop with one channel, one party, consisting of voting FOR. Many of the elderly remember the campaign with nastalgia about it .. but young .. no, nafig this. North Korea does not need to be built here.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 19 February 2016 13: 19
    +3
    I think that everyone should decide for himself what to watch, and what to read and independently analyze the information received, filter information garbage, flies separately, cutlets separately.
    Well, Ivan’s message is correct, on the ground, you should try to change your life for the better, you can say right from the entrance, further on at work, etc.
  • Michael67
    Michael67 19 February 2016 13: 27
    -4
    Quote: Michael67
    Of course, victory will be ours. Here is your picture of yourself everywhere. And I don’t like her here, speaking diplomatically.

    Yes, comrades ... The author hangs an insulting picture, and you post minuses to me. Paradox.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 15: 00
      -3
      Quote: Michael67
      abusive picture

      haram? laughing
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 19 February 2016 15: 05
    +1
    Americans say "Do or die", and Russians say "Die, but do". For Russians, even death is not a valid reason.
  • Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 19 February 2016 15: 30
    +3
    The words of Saltykov-Shchedrin come to mind when proclaiming patriotism as a national idea ... it means soon theft will be stoned (something like that about the coming privatization). Justice is the national idea of ​​Russia.
  • koralvit
    koralvit 19 February 2016 16: 33
    -1
    I’m a patriot of Russia, if the article is Russophobic, so as not to spoil my mood, I just don’t read it, there is nothing useful or informative in it.
  • Olfred
    Olfred 19 February 2016 23: 50
    0
    Of course victory for Ivan Victory !!! ))) for about 6 years I haven’t watched the telly, but if I’m watching it, the current cartoons laughing . but materialism (things, things, things) has so penetrated the brains of some sections of society that they have simply forgotten how to think critically, ordinary people (civil servants, civil servants), and (badly) they look at law enforcement as if they were , money has become the main measure and value of people. The people need an incentive that unites people, gives faith in a bright future, regardless of social status ... hi
  • Al1977
    Al1977 20 February 2016 10: 39
    +1
    Here is a list of sites that purposefully sow discouragement and negativity.

    That is, everyone with a non-governmental opinion, the media sow discouragement, and the first, Russia, NTV is so special - they sow good and bright?))) No, I'm not against information wars .. they are inevitable ... but so primitive .. Those who not with Putin - that is EVIL, but I with Putin - is good. I personally read RBC, a pretty good resource. I can listen to interesting interviews on Echo of Moscow, and politicians come there. To isolate oneself from another opinion is to push oneself into the framework of propaganda just. The world does not consist of enemies from the Rain TV channel and fighters for the bright and clean from NTV ... Yes, this is understandable .. An article by no means, the wildest example of the most primitive propaganda, designed for the most uneducated reader who is influenced, who believes in everything. No examples, no zest .. rubbish.
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