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Will the bubble that Turkey inflates in Syria burst?

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The situation in the border areas of Syria is becoming explosive. Today, anyone who turns on the TV can see the real preparations for the invasion. But since this article is not news, it is possible that events will already occur at the time of its release. Many readers reproach me for not taking into account the latest news. Alas, I am a journalist, not a VO correspondent from the scene. And my business is to analyze the situation as I see it.




For the last two or three days, the information field is simply "boiling" from reports of hospitals bombed by the Russian Aerospace Forces, killed civilians, destroyed objects that have nothing to do with gangsters. There were reports of some new hospitals, "Doctors without Borders", about new refugee camps at the borders. On increasing the flow of these refugees to other countries. First of all, to Turkey.

The situation in the Aleppo area is so tense that no one perceives the shelling of 155-mm guns from Syrian territory from Turkish positions as a violation of international treaties. The world actually recognizes the de facto war of Turkey and Syria. Moreover, the German Chancellor stated the need to introduce a no-fly zone over this area. Ostensibly this stabilizes the situation.

Some journalists were quick to frighten readers of the possible appearance of Western air defense systems on the side of Turkey. Allegedly, Frau Merkel threatened such a supply. As it turned out, fiction. Merkel is talking only about diplomatic means of introduction. And, frankly, I don’t see the point of such supplies.

Turkey and its closest allies such as Qatar have fully modern air defense systems available. Moreover, their range is not inferior to the European. I will not list all the systems that Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia today possess, but believe me, even Russia or the United States do not have such an assortment of names.

Will Syria and Russia agree to such an agreement? The probability is zero. The Syrian air forces and air forces are today the most important factor, even the guarantee of success for Assad’s forces. And even, to some extent, “ice” for Erdogan’s hot head. To lose Aviation he absolutely does not want to.

Hence the logical explanation for the emergence of new refugee camps in the border areas of Syria. I wrote about this in previous articles. Then it was an assumption. Today it is a fact. The Turks use the old, as the world, way to cover their troops. Hide behind the civilians. As once the fascists were hiding behind the locals during the attacks on the partisans.

By the way, part of the 2-th field army of Turkey is concentrated in the border town of Adana. The 6 Army Corps is ready to launch an offensive against Aleppo. It is an offensive, not a defense. What does the analysis of weapons and the location of parts of the body. The only thing holding Erdogan is that the existing air defense weapons cannot yet cover the hull. The offensive may choke at the moment of crossing the border. To drive ahead of the advancing units and subunits of the civilian population as a shield, not even Erdogan will decide.

Again I will touch on the topic of our T-90A. Those dozens of cars that operate today in Syria, “hit” the nerves of not only the Turks, but also the West. Even The Times published "tragic" material about the "death of the American TOW." Missiles released from this complex do not fall into Tanks. The Russians set up a system that makes smart rockets idiots.

And what is today the main thing for Erdogan? Will the offensive begin in the coming days? It seems to me that Erdogan will not start now. Not because he does not want. "Wishlist" has nothing to do with it. The situation is such that there seems to be no diplomatic solution to me. Ground operation will take place in any case.

The fact is that the Kurds have become a huge problem. If earlier the Kurdish problem was for Turkey a question of granting autonomy or some status to the Kurds, today we are talking about the real danger of the destruction of the Turkish state. On the creation of Kurdistan from areas densely populated by Kurds in Syria and Turkey. That is, today the union of Kurds in different countries is real. I think we will soon hear of serious casualties in these areas.

By the way. In the last article I wrote about jeeps that broke through to the territory of Syria. Already at the time of publication of the article video footage of their destruction appeared. What caused a certain euphoria among our readers. So, just information for consideration. According to Syrian intelligence reports, which were voiced by a representative of this service, recently (precisely after the “hike” of jeeps), the actions of Turkish special forces in the province of Aleppo and surrounding areas have sharply intensified.

What do we have on February 17? And we have a bubble. Bubble that is filled with aggression. And no one knows how many walls of this bubble can restrain this aggression. As practice shows, Erdogan and Davutoglu are politicians of little predictable. What is happening in their heads, today no one can say for sure. Probably even they themselves.

Again, the ground operation, more precisely, the clashes, the Turkish and Syrian troops can not be avoided. So, we should expect new steps by the West against the Russian videoconferencing and Russia as a whole. First of all, Western countries will close the sky for our aviation and cruise missiles. NATO ships will be pulled up to the location of Russian ships. The attacks on Russia at all diplomatic and information sites will sharply increase. Our internal patriots and liberals will shriek. The Internet will be littered with photos of the atrocities of the Syrian military in the liberated territories and weeping of refugees in border camps.

Russia will again try to "take on the weak." Let's see what and who succeeds.
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  1. Dimas54
    Dimas54 18 February 2016 06: 30
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    however blasphemous and sad it may be, but the last terrorist attack is only in the hands of Turkey, he unties his hands in the fight against the Kurds. Right now, they can justify them any of their actions on the territory of Syria and simultaneously accuse us of supporting terrorists (Kurds).
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 18 February 2016 08: 37
      +7
      Yes. I even wondered if this was the business of the Turkish special services. If earlier the military in the General Staff doubted about the war with Syria, now they will certainly want to take revenge on the "terrorists" for their comrades.
      1. candy wrapper13
        candy wrapper13 18 February 2016 08: 57
        +5
        what do the residents of Armenia (and Artsakh) give to the explosion in Istanbul and the situation around Turkey-
        Max Eliseev • 6 hours ago
        pardogrash announces a new war
        ARTUR11> Max Eliseev • 6 hours ago

        As we wrote, Max jan. They all arranged how beautiful they were, gathered a military fist at the border and, by the way, turned up an excuse with explosions, simply failed to play Turkish bombers with Sweden beautifully, with lots of blood, to scare Europeans, but probably thought that there will be enough local blood, well, of course, the place of the explosion and the target are military, those heads of which he beheaded, now their honor is scolded and must somehow respond, and many wrote that the military did not break into battle and did not want to engage in an adventure with Syria.
        Angry Armenian> ARTUR11 • an hour ago

        It recalls the explosions of the twin towers before the American invasion of Afghanistan or the bombings in Moscow of residential buildings in front of the second Chechen company. )
        Vladimir • 7 hours ago

        Another explosion occurred at the Turkish "cultural center" in the suburbs of Stockholm
        http://regnum.ru/news/accident... .

        ARTUR11> Vladimir • 6 hours ago

        From the same song, Vladimir Dzhan, or rather from the same office where they planned the explosion in Ankara. Everyone thought that there would be a provocation with the Russians, but they came up with something else, now they say, we know where those who planned the attacks against us, and where, it’s not difficult to guess, now they will not look like aggressors, at least the Western media will provide information support, that pipes are entitled to protection.
        TUR11 • 8 hours ago

        And someone still doubts what they are capable of if they undermine citizens. Now they will raise the universal howl, pump their own people with another dose of hatred against Kurds, Russians, and of course Armenians, announce that the Turks are attacked by international terrorism and it has the right to defend itself, Well, of course, she should protect herself in Syria, purge the Kurds from the border areas under the supposed fight against the Isis, and a new incentive to fight the internal Kurds.

        SashaMiq • 3 hours ago

        It's good now to blow up Kemal's tomb in Ankara. A presidential barn palace is also fine. I don't mind, if only more of them died. Remember the wonderful French movie Fan-Fan Tulip with Gerard Philippe in the title role? "I am not stingy when it comes to glory" (how many thousands of enemies must die in order to defeat them in battle). We will not be stingy either, especially when the Turks are dying. In battles with Kurds, from explosions, who cares? If only they died regularly.

        Bratik • 8 hours ago

        Turks as Ukrainians ... and then we sho?

        Arkan • 8 hours ago

        I hope all the officers died
        SashaMiq> Arcanum • 3 hours ago

        Yes, anyone, we have no friends there and never will be.

        fantomas> Arcanum • 7 hours ago

        at least = 100 Ottomans prematurely flew to the old women. who probably already revived them
        verchapes mi karkin gorz

        GLAK • 9 hours ago


        February 17, 2016, 20:44

        Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmush said that according to preliminary data, 28 were killed and 68 injured.

        * * * 23: 30

        A Turkish law enforcement official told Reuters that according to preliminary data, the PKK is behind the attack in Ankara, Milliyet newspaper reported.

        In the capital of Turkey, Ankara, an explosion occurred near the Navy command building. According to the latest data from the Ministry of Health of the country, as a result of the explosion, 21 people died and 68 were injured.

        According to the newspaper, 14 PYD and PKK militants entered the territory of Turkey to prepare the attacks.

        SashaMiq> GLAK • 3 hours ago

        Yes, a serious hangover caused the genocide of the Turks. Whether it will still be, because it is far from evening, you sons of bitches!
      2. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 18 February 2016 08: 58
        +5
        Factor against the outbreak of war. In my opinion ... Oil prices! If military action begins in Syria, especially with the connection of Saudi Arabia, oil prices will rise. As this does not sound cynical, Russia will receive super-profits. But the States do not need it! They want to strangle Russia economically as much as possible! But it turns out - on the contrary ... There are already so many who want to buy Russian weapons!
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 18 February 2016 09: 50
          0
          Over-income is an exaggeration. Even at $ 50, you need to spend the funds of the reserve fund.
        2. Lord blacwood
          Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 15
          +1
          Revenues from the sale of weapons are not the basis of the state budget of the Russian Federation. And all these Turkish machinations are under the control of the United States, because Turkey is a NATO country.
        3. Talgat
          Talgat 18 February 2016 17: 22
          +2
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          Oil prices! If military action begins in Syria, especially with the connection of Saudi Arabia, oil prices will rise.


          1) YES, here there is an indirect benefit to all oil-producing countries

          2) Moreover, Iran has bluntly stated that it will not remain idle in the event of the aggression of Turkey and the Saudis to Syria - that is, the conflict can grow from a relatively "bloodless" clash between the Turkish and Russian air forces into a full-scale war in Iraqi Syria between Iran and its opponents - again oil price up

          3) But it should be borne in mind that the price of oil is not at all set by the market and market laws. As we all know very well. The United States and the Saudis lowered oil for the collapse of the USSR - and the Saudis received full compensation - when you print dollars - money is not a problem at all

          there will be a factor - but not a fact. that the USA and the Saudis will not turn it in their direction. perhaps that’s why Iran didn’t begin to sign the reduction - they evaluated it together with Russia - and there are probably more minuses than pluses
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 18 February 2016 17: 34
            +2
            The US is already beginning to openly threaten us and Iran about our position on Syria.
            Pentagon threatens Russia and Iran for helping Syria
            The US Department of Defense said that the position on Syria will "backfire" on Russia and Iran. According to the Pentagon chief, Russia and Iran create additional problems in the region.
            http://ren.tv/novosti/2016-02-18/v-pentagone-ugrozhayut-rossii-i-iranu-za-pomosh
            ch-sirii
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 18 February 2016 20: 40
              +1
              Everything is right, of course, Iran and the Russian Federation create problems for the United States and prevent it from destroying Syria, then crushing Iran, entering the Caspian Sea, and continuing chaos and destruction right in the heart of Eurasia - in all the Caspian countries - and all in order to prevent the creation and strengthening of Eurasian Union. It would be foolish for Iran and Russia to sit and watch.

              that’s how it is written directly in all programs (from geopolitics (Mahan Kinder, etc., to the stratphora and the speeches of all politicians) - to prevent the creation or revival of a Eurasian large association - this is their main scarecrow

              But Qatar will build its own gas pipeline on the wreckage of Syria and provide Europe with gas for 160 years - obviously no Gazprom will be needed (and then there will be no Gazprom at all)
      3. user
        user 18 February 2016 20: 37
        0
        And what is the main thing for Erdogan today?


        And yet I think that Erdagan is bluffing.
    2. JACTUS RECTUS
      JACTUS RECTUS 18 February 2016 13: 54
      +4
      And then sacrilege?
      About three months ago, he talked with a Turkish vayak, so he openly says that not a single Turk was injured in the terrorist attacks on the territory of Turkey. They kill the Kurds and consider this to be the norm. They affected Ukraine, so he says that ISIS, Nusra and Turkoman groups, this is also for them, and for us, LDNR. Believes that we exaggerate the role of the SGA, says that porridge in Syria is their work, not mattresses. In general, neo-deception in the head and confidence in success.
    3. iouris
      iouris 18 February 2016 14: 27
      +1
      And what can be done if the Turks themselves organize terrorist attacks in their cities? Should Erdogan somehow put pressure on his General Staff?
      Although there are many people who want to pour gasoline into the fire: the country is awash with terrorists.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 18 February 2016 16: 03
      +1
      Yeah I would like to hear that person who can predict what will be there. For anyone, you need to find at least some generally accepted, understandable point of support for BV, except for radical Islam. While she, unfortunately, is not.
    5. uncle
      uncle 18 February 2016 20: 11
      0
      first find out what blasphemy is and who blasphemers are, and then write
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 February 2016 06: 32
    +4
    Russia will again try to "take on the weak"

    They won't try, but they are already taking it. This is not an intelligible reaction to Turkey's shelling of Kurds in Syrian territory, and the US proposal to the Kurds not to seize new territories in the north. Turkey is starting to actively push the idea of ​​a no-fly zone just in this region. These are the statements of the SA, Qatar and some do not understand what about the land operation. For some reason, it seems that all these "fighters against terrorism" who have appeared will simply break off and quietly fade into the background.
  3. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 February 2016 06: 44
    +3
    I will repeat myself - Erdogan will use yesterday's terrorist attack in Turkey to his advantage - he will point the nation to the blame for everything, and I will not be surprised if a "Russian trace" is found in this terrorist attack!
  4. chikenous59
    chikenous59 18 February 2016 06: 47
    +1
    Turkey and its closest allies such as Qatar have fully modern air defense systems available. Moreover, their range is not inferior to the European. I will not list all the systems that Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia today possess, but believe me, even Russia or the United States do not have such an assortment of names.

    Extremely doubtful! It was not for nothing that the author did not begin to list air defense systems; otherwise, he would have understood that there are much more of our systems in service, starting from outdated Soviet systems and ending with modern systems.
    Again, I'll touch on the topic of our T-90A. The dozens of machines that are operating in Syria today hit the nerves of not only Turks, but also Americans. Even The Times has published "tragic" material about the "death of American TOWs." Missiles fired from this complex do not hit the tanks. The Russians set up a system that makes smart missiles idiots.

    In that video, there was a BMP-3 with a Blind complex. Kurgan Engineering Plant has already confirmed this.
    1. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 27
      +2
      Turkey will not fight with Russia. Despite modern air defense systems, the fleet, aviation, electronic warfare, Turkey will not risk attacking our positions. Syrian positions will be able to attack, accusing them of, for example, killing civilians or shelling Turkish positions. Surely, the main task of the Turkish army will be the fight against the Kurds, as well as supporting the Syrian opposition and ISIS.
  5. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 18 February 2016 06: 48
    +1
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says Syrian suicide bomber detonates in Istanbul Sultanahmet Square

    In any case, Erdogan is already preparing a needle to pierce the bubble!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 February 2016 06: 49
    +3
    Will the bubble that Turkey "inflates" in Syria burst?

    Sooner or later, but must burst. But for some reason it seems that it is not in favor of Erdogan.
  7. Bacha
    Bacha 18 February 2016 06: 52
    +3
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    I will repeat myself - Erdogan will use yesterday's terrorist attack in Turkey to his advantage - he will point the nation to the blame for everything, and I will not be surprised if a "Russian trace" is found in this terrorist attack!

    The terrorist attack is clearly beneficial to Ankara in order to officially recognize the Kurds as terrorists, I won’t be surprised if we later find out that Turkey itself organizes them.
    1. Minstrel
      Minstrel 18 February 2016 07: 07
      +3
      Quote: Bacha
      It is beneficial for Ankara to officially recognize the Kurds as terrorists,

      But did she (Ankara) call them (Kurds) somehow differently? hi
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  8. parusnik
    parusnik 18 February 2016 07: 12
    +6
    Howling Our Inner Urpatriots and Liberals... Already ... Gozman here earlier .. demanded from Putin that he would leave .. By the way, about Gozman, the sculpted sidekick of Chubais ..
    1. Fox
      Fox 18 February 2016 07: 39
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      our inner urapatriots and liberals are calling ... Already ... Gozman here just now .. he demanded that Putin leave, by the way, about Gozman, the sculptor of Chubais’s sidekick ..

      so they (the biblical nation) are all friends.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 18 February 2016 09: 19
      +6
      Our domestic urapatriots and liberals will howl ... Already ... Gozman here just now ... demanded from Putin that he would leave .. By the way, about Gozman, the sculptor of Chubais’s sidekick ..
      a gozman can demand anything, even if he is individually allowed to cross the road to a red light ......
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    4. Megatron
      Megatron 18 February 2016 13: 07
      +3
      Nestykovochka, Chubais is Putin's sculpted friend.
  9. Taygerus
    Taygerus 18 February 2016 07: 15
    +1
    I don’t envy the Turks if they begin the invasion of Syria, given the terrain, and the Syrian army is now on the one that before the teeth will give little seems soldier
    1. alex-712
      alex-712 18 February 2016 07: 41
      +3
      This is if our air support.
  10. Bacha
    Bacha 18 February 2016 07: 33
    +1
    Quote: Minstrel
    Quote: Bacha
    It is beneficial for Ankara to officially recognize the Kurds as terrorists,

    But did she (Ankara) call them (Kurds) somehow differently? hi

    Yes, she could call them anything you like, the question is how they will be called in the West.
  11. Mera joota
    Mera joota 18 February 2016 07: 38
    +2
    A sea of ​​emotions, pathos with absolutely empty conclusions ... What is the point of the article? Remind us that Erdogan is bad, we and Assad are good, well done Kurds, the West is against us? And at the end, output:
    Let's see what and who succeeds.


    Yeah...
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 February 2016 11: 51
      +1
      What is the comment about? Sorry, but did not understand .. Dumb and dumber it is probably about me recourse
  12. alex-712
    alex-712 18 February 2016 07: 39
    +1
    Quote: Dimas54
    however blasphemous and sad it may be, but the last terrorist attack is only in the hands of Turkey, he unties his hands in the fight against the Kurds. Right now, they can justify them any of their actions on the territory of Syria and simultaneously accuse us of supporting terrorists (Kurds).

    No matter how the local president serves.
  13. Sirocco
    Sirocco 18 February 2016 07: 41
    +2
    Allegedly, Frau Merkel threatened such a delivery. As it turned out, fiction. Merkel so far speaks only of diplomatic methods of introduction
    Here comes a bluff, mixed up with desa, and as the author says, an attempt to take on a fright, or at times weakly, but a little catch for them to fright))))
    today we are talking about the real danger of the destruction of the Turkish state.
    Erdogan went all-in for all or nothing, but in this case with the Kurds, it can happen as in a zoo that wants to feed a bear (Kurds), they will bite this hand to the very head. Erdogan took a chance, let's see what happens.
    And for our liberals, it’s time to step on a causal place so that they know their sixth. Well, as much as you can endure, then Kasyanov, then trips to guests of the US ambassadors.
    1. free
      free 18 February 2016 12: 29
      +1
      yes they chop the boshki and business, there’s nothing to fall for with all carrion.
  14. VP
    VP 18 February 2016 08: 01
    +2
    Perhaps it will burst - already in the west the opinion is ripening that Erdogan is not all right with the psyche, the cuckoo has been shaken for a long time with pepper.
  15. 25ru
    25ru 18 February 2016 08: 40
    0
    And why not provide data on air defense systems of countries such as Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia? Regarding the latter, it took a minute to find the information. Directly from our website:
    The presence in the Saudi Arabian Air Force of the AWACS AWACS AWACS aircraft brings them to a higher quality level. The first Saudi E-3 was delivered in June 3, the delivery of the remaining four E-1986s was completed by September 3. Not a single country in this region has such a class of AWACS aircraft in its Air Force. Until 1987, the Israeli Air Force had “flying radars” E-2002C Hokai, which in their capabilities were significantly inferior to AWACS aircraft. Another potential Saudi adversary is Shiite Iran formally owns two AWACS aircraft based on the Il-2, but their performance is questionable. In 76, Boeing received a contract worth $ 2012 million for the modernization of communications and the installation of new radar systems on AWACS E-66,814 aircraft of the Royal Saudi Arabian Air Force.
    Air Defense Forces are an independent type of armed forces of the kingdom. They consist of anti-aircraft missile forces, anti-aircraft artillery and RTV units. In the operational subordination of air defense are fighter-interceptors from the Air Force. Organizationally, air defense forces are consolidated in six air defense districts. These troops are entrusted with the task of covering important administrative, economic and military facilities: the capital, oil production areas, military groups, air forces and missile bases. Saudi Arabia's air defense is at the core of the Peace Shield air defense system. Basically, its creation was completed in 1995. The Peace Shield includes 17 AN / FPS-117 early warning radars, three D radar systems coupled with the AN / PPS-43 and AN / TPS-72 short- and medium-range radars.
    The airborne bases have operational centers that are integrated with DRLO airplanes, fighter aircraft, SAM missiles and anti-aircraft artillery. The air defense systems of Saudi Arabia are combined using the Peace Shield command, control, intelligence and communications system.
    In total, the 144 air defense missile system Patriot 128, the Advanced Hawk air defense missile system MIM-23B, the Advanced Hawk 141, the Sahin air defense missile system Xtalin, and the 40 anti-aircraft guns and the 270 128 SPU air defense systems and 35 anti-aircraft guns and settings, and the XnUMX 50 SPU Krotal, as well as the 30 anti-aircraft guns and settings, and the XnUMX 30 SPU Krotal, as well as the 92 anti-aircraft guns and settings, and the XnUMX 20 SPU Krotal, as well as the 163 anti-aircraft guns and settings, and the 10N systems, and the 70 SPU XtalM and 40 anti-aircraft guns and the 70 SPU XtalM and XNUMX anti-aircraft guns, and the XNUMX SPU XtalM and XNUMX anti-aircraft guns and settings, etc. "Oerlikon", XNUMX XNUMX-mm ZSU AMX-XNUMXSA, XNUMX XNUMX-mm ZSU MXNUMX "Volcano". In addition, XNUMX XNUMX-mm L-XNUMX anti-aircraft guns are in stock.
    Modern air forces and air defense systems guarantee, with a high degree of reliability, the protection of key religious, industrial, oil-producing and defense centers. The strike capabilities of the Saudi air forces in the Middle East region are currently inferior only to Israeli aircraft. Given the upcoming upcoming deliveries of modern aircraft from the US and Europe, this gap, if not equal, will be reduced to a minimum. Israelis will only hope for a higher quality training of their pilots.

    Excluding the marine component and own air defense of the ground forces.
    Maybe someone will cool down the ardor "soak", "paraffin" and "zhahnut".
    1. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 18 February 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Well, the Saudis have no reception against Poplar ...
      1. Lord blacwood
        Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 43
        +2
        And who said that "Poplar" will be used. It is assigned for the use of nuclear weapons, but with a simple bomb it is ineffective, since it is not very accurate. If a nuclear charge, then the inaccuracy was compensated for, and if simple, then it is almost impossible to get into the launcher or radar.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 18 February 2016 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: 25ru
      Maybe someone will cool down the ardor "soak", "paraffin" and "zhahnut".

      Nobody offers to "zhahnut"! But to answer, if suddenly, an unbalanced psychopath Erdogan tries to shoot down our plane again or attack our group in Syria is necessary! For all alarmists and alarmists, the video, where military expert Yakov Kedmi assesses the chances of Turkey and the SA against Russia, like none:
    3. domokl
      domokl 18 February 2016 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: 25ru
      Maybe someone will cool down the ardor "soak", "paraffin" and "zhahnut"

      bully It’s easier for spy specialists to talk about it from a computer ... There, all air defense starts from Strela-2 ... but you need to read it carefully. Written by names in my opinion ... is it really difficult to type in the internet?
      1. 25ru
        25ru 18 February 2016 11: 11
        0
        Quote: domokl
        It is written by name in my opinion ... is it really difficult to type in the internet?

        Well this must be found hi
    4. Belousov
      Belousov 18 February 2016 18: 46
      +1
      Air defense is still a defense weapon. What's the point of these AWACS if they sit in Riyadh? What's the use of the Patriots? What is the distance to Syria? Ardent "zhahnut" for the Saudis is for the Persians, they are sitting there next door. And we are more interested in the possibility of the Saudis in the course of the planned ground aggression in Syria. What are their capabilities there?
    5. Belousov
      Belousov 18 February 2016 18: 46
      0
      Air defense is still a defense weapon. What's the point of these AWACS if they sit in Riyadh? What's the use of the Patriots? What is the distance to Syria? Ardent "zhahnut" for the Saudis is for the Persians, they are sitting there next door. And we are more interested in the possibility of the Saudis in the course of the planned ground aggression in Syria. What are their capabilities there?
  16. itr
    itr 18 February 2016 09: 28
    +1
    And my business is to analyze the situation as I see it.the whole problem zhurnalyug what I want is and I sing
    not what I see
  17. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 18 February 2016 09: 33
    +2
    The logic of events suggests that in case of aggression the "response" should be SUCHso that these crazy even thoughts do not have to continue to live. The dad of all the bombs would be very helpful, but would they be enough for everyone?
    1. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 48
      0
      Quote: Volzhanin
      The logic of events suggests that in case of aggression the "response" should be SUCHso that these crazy even thoughts do not have to continue to live. The dad of all the bombs would be very helpful, but would they be enough for everyone?

      And you are ready to wait for an answer, because Turkey is a member of NATO. Does anyone really want to start a nuclear war.
  18. 25ru
    25ru 18 February 2016 09: 53
    0
    Quote: Volzhanin
    "otvetka" should be SUCH, so that these crazy people would not even have thoughts to continue living. The daddy of all the bombs would be very helpful, but will there be enough for everyone?

    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    Well, against Poplar, the Saudis have no reception.

    Is this consistent with Russia's military doctrine?
    Russia may use nuclear weapons in case of threat to its sovereignty and territorial integrity
  19. Petrik66
    Petrik66 18 February 2016 11: 21
    +1
    Perhaps soon another released "liberal" will fall at our post, well - like criticized the aggressive aspirations of the bloody Putin regime in Syria and now ....... well, in short, "Boris - fight." Will they close the airspace? And where? Iran or Iraq? It would have been closed so long ago if they could. Will the transit be closed? This is real and it will cause very big problems. One hope is that not everyone at the General Staff also reads the comments of our "marshals", even though they will understand what to do.
  20. vladimirw
    vladimirw 18 February 2016 12: 26
    +1
    Delivered unconditional + especially for the last paragraph. Hard times ahead, soon warmer, ukrofashisty come to life and climb forward. And this is another our problem.
    1. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 51
      0
      Quote: vladimirw
      Delivered unconditional + especially for the last paragraph. Hard times ahead, soon warmer, ukrofashisty come to life and climb forward. And this is another our problem.

      It is unlikely that the Ukrainians will throw out something serious, because the forces are not the same, and the Ukrainian people are dissatisfied, a new Maidan can arrange.
  21. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 18 February 2016 12: 50
    +2
    Even they strain .. the rocket is done with vigorous so you need to use stop
  22. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 18 February 2016 13: 03
    +1
    Guys, look, they are fighting with Kalash!
    Turks cannot even make their own rifles!
    1. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 53
      -1
      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      Guys, look, they are fighting with Kalash!
      Turks cannot even make their own rifles!

      In the photo, ISIS terrorists, not Turks.
  23. Megatron
    Megatron 18 February 2016 13: 10
    +3
    The main question is whether our VKS of the Turks will bomb if they invade all the same.
    1. starper
      starper 18 February 2016 14: 08
      +2
      The invading troops will be covered by aviation, this is an axiom, so the battles will begin in the air, and this is a full-scale war. Do we need it? I hope Lavrov and Shoigu eat bread for nothing, and they both have a head for it.
      1. Lord blacwood
        Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 56
        +1
        Quote: starper
        The invading troops will be covered by aviation, this is an axiom, so the battles will begin in the air, and this is a full-scale war. Do we need it? I hope Lavrov and Shoigu eat bread for nothing, and they both have a head for it.

        Russia and Turkey will not fight, and Syria has no normal planes, so there will be no air battles. After all, the Syrian Air Force is based on the obsolete MiG-21, MiG-23, and Turkey has the F-15, F-16. In case of clashes, the Turks will crush the Syrians to pieces.
  24. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 February 2016 14: 02
    +2
    Since March 1, we have stopped the operation in Syria, so Lavrov agreed.
    We all know what will happen next. Turkey will help the militants to recover, then there will be several provocations, then "in response to shelling from the Syrian army" the militants will launch a new offensive. We are bound by the Munich-1 agreements, we will strongly condemn and call for observance, the West will grin and send in response ... We have already seen all these agreements of the genius Lavrov and their consequences many times, I counted five times, but I did not specialist. Everything always develops according to the same scenario, even an imbecile would have realized how and what would happen next. In general, everything has already been decided in the next "Munich conspiracy", just the actors play out the roles assigned to them.
    1. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 18 February 2016 16: 59
      +2
      I don’t think that the operation will stop on March 1, because until the terrorists are destroyed, the Russian Aerospace Forces will not leave.
  25. 25ru
    25ru 18 February 2016 14: 08
    +1
    Quote: Robert Nevsky
    Guys, look, they are fighting with Kalash!
    Turks cannot even make their own rifles!

    They can. They are fighting either with the AK trophy, or with their HK license for a caliber of 7,62 mm. I wouldn’t laugh at all. Turkish Armed Forces are motivated to conduct limited military operations, have a lot of armored vehicles for this.
  26. Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 18 February 2016 16: 19
    +3
    According to the conspiracy theories, the powers of the world decided to dismember Turkey. A mass of indirect signs testifies to this. The United States, as part of its strategy to move from the Middle East to East Asia (containing China, the Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership (without China) will stir up porridge and drain-capital will flow into * safe * harbor- * valuable * papers of amers. Russia in case of loss of Syria in 2-3 will receive gas pipelines from Saudi and Qatar to Europe, the basis for the sale of our hydrocarbons, by the way in 2019, by the way, are our long-term contracts with Europe ending, who’s next? Nothing personal but business. looking at the scheme for oil from ISIS for cheap Turkey-bucks, weapons, etc. to terrorists).
  27. Rostislav
    Rostislav 18 February 2016 16: 53
    +1
    however blasphemous and sad it may be, but the last terrorist attack is only in the hands of Turkey, he unties his hands in the fight against the Kurds. Right now they can justify them any of their actions in Syria

    They can justify their invasion of the territory of another state by anything. When there is an intention to get involved in a swara, any occasion will do. Even the most contrived.
  28. Belousov
    Belousov 18 February 2016 18: 52
    +1
    Now it is only important to take Aleppo as quickly as possible. As soon as it turns out to clean the surrounding area it will be easier, which means control over the border, the end of the uncontrolled movements of militants, ammunition, etc. Because Erdogan now spun that the loss of Aleppo is a very serious blow to business. So our and the Syrians should be pushed properly.
    And the Munich accords remind me of another Minsk-1,2,3, etc. Such a freeze of the conflict, where the Turks and terrorists will attack, and we and the Syrians are again powerless and guilty. To know how our Foreign Ministry was guided by going to such defeatist agreements ...
  29. Mugs
    Mugs 18 February 2016 20: 49
    0
    no need to exaggerate and drive the wave. There will be nothing, no intrusion. We and the Americans support the Kurds. At the meeting of Lavrov and Kerry, we divided the spheres of influence of the two super powers.
  30. Fastenkov
    Fastenkov 18 February 2016 23: 21
    0
    The Turks have no chance in Syria if Russia decides to go all the way. Those. work as planned.
    I think that the rapid advance of the Kurds and the SA to the borders of Turkey is caused by the understanding that if you manage to squeeze jihadists into Turkey before the start of the Turkish offensive, the legal (giving hope for Western support) approach will disappear. Diplomats will then decide the situation.
    Plus, ours, I think, help with weapons. Specifically help.
    And yet, the US and the EU cannot yet assess which is more profitable, recognize a player in the BV in the Russian Federation, or aggravate relations. In the absence of clear benefits. After all, we will not move back and we will pull our "piece" out of the situation. Neither the US nor the EU will dare to shoot down our planes. And Ankara will not be able to do it without hitting its territory.
  31. Xent
    Xent 19 February 2016 17: 56
    0
    At the expense of the opinion of the Armenians on this issue. Of course, all Armenians want one, fair trial over Turkey, but not by the hands of the Kurds ... the Vedas Kurds intend to create their own state on the Armenian lands, where they destroyed the Armenians on the orders of the Turks ...