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Western civilization against the Soviet memory

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The real commander must fight so that even after death the enemies would fear his name and shudder when they saw his monuments. Marshal of the Soviet Union, Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria Fyodor Ivanovich Tolbukhin from those who succeeded.


In September 1944, the troops of the Third Ukrainian Front, commanded by Fyodor Ivanovich Tolbukhin (at that time army general), entered Bulgaria. Two weeks later, 12 September 1944, Fedor Ivanovich was given the military rank of Marshal of the Soviet Union. In addition to all previous achievements, Tolbukhin became a marshal for having cleared Bulgaria of the Nazis and their Bulgarian monarch-fascist minions in just one week, without losing a single soldier in battles. The Armistice Agreement with Bulgaria on October 28 1944 of the year provided that at the end of hostilities against Germany, the Bulgarian armed forces must be mobilized and placed under the control of the Allied Control Commission. Marshal Tolbukhin was appointed as its chairman.


Marshal Tolbukhin in his office


The Soviet army left Bulgaria in 1947, and Fyodor Ivanovich became an honorary citizen of Dobrich back in 1946, a full year before the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the country. The Bulgarians were sincerely glad of the expulsion of the Nazis from the country and really wanted their homeland to be part of the Russian, not the Western world.

Fyodor Ivanovich left a good memory of himself in Bulgaria. Marshal died 17 on October 1949 in Moscow. Just a few days later, the Bulgarian city of Dobrich was named Tolbukhin. Many streets and squares throughout Bulgaria were named after the Stalinist marshal. There were also monuments to the Soviet commander.

In 1991, the USSR lost the Cold War and collapsed. West got the territory and resources of Eastern Europe. The propagandists of the European “Reich” immediately took up the formation of the “right mindset” of the newly acquired population. As in any war, the first, most terrible and crushing blow was dealt to the most important goals. In Bulgaria, such an outstanding goal was the memory of Marshal Tolbukhin.

25 September 1990. The city of Tolbukhin was renamed Dobrich. The bronze bust of Fyodor Ivanovich was pulled down from the pedestal in the center of the city and taken out to the back of the city administration. In 2000, some particularly “gifted” official came up with a “brilliant” idea to get money by selling a bronze bust for secondary processing of non-ferrous metals. So the monument turned out to be at the second-hand dump in the capital, Sofia, waiting for it to be melted down for door handles, ashtrays and other household items.

By this time, 11 years had passed since the beginning of the “triumph of democracy” and “exposing the true face” of the Soviet system and the USSR. All this time история The friendship between the People’s Republic of Bulgaria and the USSR was a battleground and the object of powerful propaganda attacks. According to the plan of sociologists and political scientists of the West, by the beginning of the 21 century, the Bulgarians should have already forgotten that they were once part of the Russian world. And if anyone remembered this story, it is only with fear, hatred and disgust. But it turned out differently. Patriotic Bulgarians not only did not succumb to Western propaganda, but they themselves fought and actively opposed it without any assistance from Russia or another leading center.

Upon learning that the monument to Marshal Tolbukhin was waiting for a smelting at a non-ferrous metal dump in Sofia, Bulgarian patriots became indignant. First of all, they established contact with the right people and found a way to postpone sawing and remelting. Then they began to think about options for salvation. It was too expensive to buy off a monument for the money for several people who are not part of any organization. To convince the European state to "forgive" the marshal and return the monument was impossible at all. Then the Bulgarians sent a telegram to Fyodor Ivanovich’s hometown, Yaroslavl. The Russians shouted something about little brothers who do not remember the old stuff, but they saved the monument. It cost the budget of Yaroslavl in the amount of about three and a half thousand dollars. Now it is installed on the square in the city of Tutaev.

This is a sad page from the history of Bulgaria already “civilized” in the European manner. That is how culture and civilization are understood in the new European Reich: uproot all the historical heritage in the newly acquired territories. To stone on stone is left. so that nothing would remind the Eastern European peoples that they are part of the Russian world. By the way, in the Third Reich in 1933 — 1945, they understood culture and civilization in the same way.

Western civilization against the Soviet memory
Monument to Marshal Tolbukhin in Tutaev, Yaroslavl Region. Bronze bust exported from Bulgaria


In the dashing 1990-e monument Tolbukhin in the city, named after him, was on the edge of the main attack. Old enemies in the new European Reich demolished a bronze bust and trampled down the pedestal in the dust. Similarly, in 1941, the enemies of the old Nazi Reich trampled Minsk, Bryansk, Smolensk, Kiev and Kharkov.

Neither in 1941 — 1944, nor in the 1990, and in the 2000, the Bulgarians did not sit with folded arms. In 1941 — 1944, Bulgarian patriots wrote and distributed leaflets, raised red flags on factory pipes and state institutions, burned warehouses and railway trains with goods intended for the Wehrmacht. From June 1941 to the end of 1942, the reports of the Bulgarian police in the country recorded an 521 operation against the Wehrmacht and its monarchist-fascist minions - armed attacks, sabotage, acts of sabotage, etc.

In the 1990 and in the 2000, the Bulgarians also put up a desperate resistance to the Western European invaders. They lived in tents around the Soviet monuments around the clock and guarded them with a living human chain to prevent their demolition and damage. Thus, the monument to the Soviet soldier Alyosha in Plovdiv, the monument to the Soviet Army in Sofia and many others were saved. Monuments, which could not be saved on pedestals, have been carefully preserved and now stand in the Museum of Socialist Art in Sofia. This is the first and so far the only place in the entire European Union, where samples of art created in the socialist era and thematically related to it are collected and exhibited.

In a real war, there are not only victories, but also defeats. Monument to Marshal Tolbukhin from the town of Dobrich, a monument to Lenin from the city of Plovdiv, a memorial bronze slab of captains-leith. A. Devyatko from Varna and other monuments were lost to Bulgaria. But dozens of other monuments survived. Each of them is part not only of the past, but also of the real military and political life of Bulgaria. It's been 26 years after the collapse of the USSR. There is a rabid propaganda against Russia. But the Bulgarian people remember the feat of the Soviet soldiers. Yes, sometimes the enemies with the spray can get to the monuments and arrange a provocation. Nevertheless, the monuments stand and tens of thousands of Bulgarians are ready to rise to their defense at any moment.
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  1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 19 February 2016 06: 18
    +2
    Soon, the Bulgarians will write how they liberated the USSR - Alas, but the memory of many countries turned out to be very short, and it’s not a sin to rewrite history.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 February 2016 07: 04
      36
      The author is Ivan Ivanov, one of those Bulgarians who can be called a brother. It's a pity that there are real "brothers" in the minority.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 19 February 2016 08: 04
        11
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        it is a pity that the real "brothers" remained in the minority.

        These "brothers" in two World Wars acted as allies of the enemies of Russia. I see no reason why they would not do this a third time. Don't forget Bulgaria is a NATO member.
        1. ivanovbg
          19 February 2016 08: 18
          22
          We ended up in NATO not because we want it, but because the USSR / Russia left Eastern Europe. While there were CMEA and ATS, Bulgaria was a very loyal ally. And to stop alone the EU and NATO eastward movement, we - sorry - could not.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 19 February 2016 08: 35
            +5
            Quote: ivanovbg
            While there were CMEA and ATS, Bulgaria was a very loyal ally
            And now you are a very loyal ally of the EU and NATO. You forget even about your vital economic interests if the "big uncles" give orders. South Stream, for example, is a confirmation of this.
            Quote: ivanovbg
            And to stop alone the EU and NATO eastward movement, we - sorry - could not.
            "Couldn't," you say? Was there a war of Bulgaria against NATO? I don’t remember. And you rushed to the European Union with great enthusiasm for Schengen and other Euro sticks. I have friends of Bulgarians, so I remember their enthusiasm of that time.
            1. ivanovbg
              19 February 2016 08: 56
              12
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              And now you are a very loyal ally of the EU and NATO.


              Not really.

              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Was there a war of Bulgaria against NATO? I don’t remember something. And in the European Union you enthusiastically rushed for Schengen and other Europluck. I have friends in Bulgaria, so I remember their enthusiasm of that time.


              Yes, it has been and continues, so far only against the monuments. As for the enthusiasm of your friends, I can point out to you the enthusiasm of your Russian liberals and white-collar workers, they also really want to in Schengen and Europe :)
              1. Zeppelin ml.
                Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 09: 49
                +3
                Quote: ivanovbg
                Yes, it has been and continues, so far only against the monuments.

                a rather entertaining character - Ms. Bokova, whom you neatly shove to the post of UN Secretary General from Bulgaria) The daughter of the head of the BKP with real estate in Manhattan at $ 3 million)) Well, it's not about that. UNESCO with her finally turned into a biased (and, accordingly, corrupt) office. From the adoption of Palestine and Kosovo to pornography with a statue of Nefertiti. Therefore, the struggle with monuments does not particularly surprise me.
                1. but still
                  but still 19 February 2016 19: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                  Quote: ivanovbg
                  Yes, it has been and continues, so far only against the monuments.

                  a rather entertaining character - Ms. Bokova, whom you neatly shove to the post of UN Secretary General from Bulgaria) The daughter of the head of the BKP with real estate in Manhattan at $ 3 million)) Well, it's not about that. UNESCO with her finally turned into a biased (and, accordingly, corrupt) office. From the adoption of Palestine and Kosovo to pornography with a statue of Nefertiti. Therefore, the struggle with monuments does not particularly surprise me.


                  You suffer from yellowness negative ?

                  1. "Gently push through"? - No. Nobody is pushing through anyone. She is Bulgaria's official candidacy for the post of UN Secretary General. At the moment, she holds the post of Director of UNESCO, by the way, she was elected to this post 2 times, which speaks of her competence.
                  2. "Daughter of the head of the BKP"? - So what? Yes, even the daughter of an alien - children are not responsible for their parents. In any case in democratic countries.
                  3. "Real estate in Manhattan worth 3 million"? - So what? How many years has she held a high position and has an official high salary? Yes, in Sofia for less than half a million you cannot buy a decent house in a decent area. What about prices in Moscow? She is a free person and has the right to buy real estate even on the moon and for how much she can afford.
                  4. Oh, about the "corrupt office with her" - you have already turned it too far - this is the most that neither is slander and slander in the absence of evidence.

                  And now your yellowest pearl, on which you "burned" smile :

                  From the adoption of Palestine and Kosovo to pornography with a statue of Nefertiti.


                  Palestine was admitted to UNESCO, yes. And this apparently jars you in fact (who after that stopped paying contributions in protest, don't you remember? By the way, Americans already want to pay again and have the right to vote, but I don’t know about the second country, I haven’t read anything in the media about this). But Kosovo was NOT admitted to UNESCO. Do you think that readers are such suckers and eat your lies? You have clearly added Kosovo to Palestine to provoke the indignation of Russian readers and gain "plus signs" bully ? Ai-ya-yi! In addition, they tried to denigrate the man who accepted the invitation to be (and was) at the May 9 parade in Moscow! This is last year something! fool

                  P.S. What happened to the statue of Nefertiti, something I did not understand, and what do you think is guilty of this UNESCO? Write, pzhl.
            2. goncharov.62
              goncharov.62 20 February 2016 15: 13
              0
              In a word - I couldn’t ...
          2. Mareman Vasilich
            Mareman Vasilich 19 February 2016 08: 51
            +9
            Do not reassure yourself. All who used to enter the zone of influence of the USSR voluntarily bent down and turned to the West without a fight, except, possibly, Yugoslavia. Europe has some kind of mania, instead of fighting backwards to turn around.
            1. square
              square 19 February 2016 12: 37
              +4
              Quote: Mareman Vasilich
              Do not reassure yourself. All who used to enter the zone of influence of the USSR voluntarily bent down and turned to the West without a fight, except, possibly, Yugoslavia. Europe has some kind of mania, instead of fighting backwards to turn around.

              Accustomed already. When you stand bent for a long time, straighten your back hurts. Unfortunately, for half the millennium of their rule, the Turks slaughtered everyone who had the will to resist and the desire to fight for something. It was wild to me to listen to the excursions with which the Bulgarian speaks with pride that at the beginning of World War II they did not actually have an army, so they did not participate in the war. And then I saw the ruins of their main cathedral in Varna, where the Turks at one time made a city dump and realized that they have such a mentality. But in due time they shook Byzantium like a neighboring pear.
            2. driver
              driver 19 February 2016 19: 11
              0
              And they only have such a fight in honor, only backwards ...
          3. Sasha_Sar
            Sasha_Sar 19 February 2016 09: 18
            +8
            Rather, they did not want to. Like the Ukrainians, they hoped for a freebie from the EU. The USSR poured funds into the BNR, the funds came to an end. No money, no friendship. The EU has promised "denyuzhku" if you betray the "brothers", and Che does not betray, all the more not for free. Just promising doesn't mean getting married. Russia offered you $ 500 million a year for South Stream, and here you betrayed, what can you talk about after that !?
          4. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 09: 32
            +5
            Quote: ivanovbg
            We ended up in NATO not because we want it, but because the USSR / Russia left Eastern Europe.

            in principle, true. The weak need overlords. An alternative to NATO was only non-aligned status.
            1. Irbenwolf
              Irbenwolf 19 February 2016 11: 10
              10
              Non-aligned status ... Economic isolation, industrial halt, social rebellion, revolution and entry into the EU and NATO.

              These states are too small to pursue a non-aligned policy, and the eastern (Russian) bloc was occupied with its own affairs and regrouping after the defeat in the Cold War.

              Should I be offended? After all, both the Bulgarians and the Russians of the 90s were engaged in the same thing - the survival of their loved ones.
              1. Zeppelin ml.
                Zeppelin ml. 19 February 2016 11: 44
                0
                Quote: IrbenWolf
                Non-aligned status ... Economic isolation, industrial halt, social rebellion, revolution and entry into the EU and NATO.

                that's what I'm talking about)
                Quote: IrbenWolf
                These states are too small to pursue a non-aligned policy.

                and I agree with that. It is highly discouraged for Eurodwarfs to pursue any policy whatsoever. It is permissible to make "bold" statements by individual politicians as proof of democratic principles. By the way, on VO such timid and permitted alternative opinions of some local politicians are naively commented on "Bulgarians) Czechs, Poles, Hungarians, etc.) began to see clearly!" Such ingenue is simply touching.
          5. Weyland
            Weyland 20 February 2016 00: 21
            +1
            Quote: ivanovbg
            And stop alone the EU and NATO eastward, we - sorry - could not


            Are you being dragged into NATO and the EU by force? Threatened by war? I have not heard ...
            1. but still
              but still 21 February 2016 03: 08
              0
              Are you being dragged into NATO and the EU by force? Threatened by war? I have not heard ...


              Everything is much simpler: nature does not tolerate emptiness - the Warsaw Pact is gone - NATO has come.
          6. goncharov.62
            goncharov.62 20 February 2016 15: 12
            0
            Yes, of course ... But you also need to be able to jump into NATO bed with joy! "Do not betray this, foresee it!" (C)
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 20 February 2016 05: 16
          +1
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          These "brothers" in two World Wars acted as allies of the enemies of Russia.

          The most amazing thing is the number of patriots. As always, a couple of people are adequate, and for the majority, as always, there is no time or outside politics.
          Upon learning that the monument to Marshal Tolbukhin awaits remelting at a non-ferrous metal dump in Sofia, the Bulgarian patriots were outraged. It turned out to buy the monument for their money too expensive for a few people not part of any organization.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 19 February 2016 07: 43
      +8
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Soon Bulgarians will write how they liberated the USSR

      That's just "stupid" is not necessary!
    3. goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 20 February 2016 15: 10
      0
      "The Russians shouted something about brothers who do not remember the good old, but they saved the monument." Traces are already visible even in this ...
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 19 February 2016 06: 42
    +6
    There is a frenzied propaganda against Russia.... The Bulgarians are again called to a "crusade" against Russia ..
  3. 1536
    1536 19 February 2016 06: 51
    +7
    Much depends on ourselves. We will not settle down in any way, we are all sharing our vast territory, discussing questions of history, and forgetting about the "lost" wars and battles. We are leaving the liberated territories, abandoning the peoples we have saved. And we still manage to "repent" that we were "invaders".
    A striking example is the monument to General Skobelev in Moscow. The monument to the "White General", the hero of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, the Liberator of Bulgaria, found himself hostage to the "Maidan" of 1917 and comrades far from Russian history, and from the Bulgarian history, and the Russian people in general. (It stood on Tverskaya Street, at the place where the monument to Yuri Dolgoroky now stands, and was demolished by the Bolsheviks in 1918). What can we say about the Bulgarians themselves? They are disoriented, do not know what the Russians have in mind today, and even more so tomorrow. So they do not want to make monuments to anyone's hostages in the political struggle for the money of the "proletariat". And Talbukhin, as well as Skobelev, will still be remembered for centuries by us, Russians, and Bulgarians. Because without them, there would be no memory at all.
    In 2014, a new monument to Skobelev was erected in a park opposite the Academy of the General Staff in Moscow on the outskirts, probably so that if something happens, barbarians from all kinds of "fifth", "sixth" and other chess columns would not reach him. But that's a completely different story.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 19 February 2016 07: 44
      +3
      Quote: 1536
      And Talbuhina

      ... Tоlbukhina ...
  4. engineer
    engineer 19 February 2016 06: 54
    +9
    there is a good phrase in the famous book "Shield and Sword". which the Nazi says: the Reich is defeated. but this is not the end. time will pass and one of the young will shout "Heil" and from there our rebirth will begin. Alas. but he was right.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 19 February 2016 07: 05
      +8
      It was Müller who said to Stirlitz - "You know, they are waiting for us there, from there we will begin our revival."
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 19 February 2016 07: 19
        +4
        Prophetic phrase.
        1. tank64rus
          tank64rus 19 February 2016 22: 26
          +2
          I agree the whole film turned out to be prophetic. Who would then think that fascism will revive. Many were mistaken unfortunately.
        2. tank64rus
          tank64rus 19 February 2016 22: 26
          0
          I agree the whole film turned out to be prophetic. Who would then think that fascism will revive. Many were mistaken unfortunately.
  5. with
    with 19 February 2016 08: 19
    +9
    The current war is an ideological, civilizational war. The fight against memory, its replacement with "democratic values", and the battlefield, according to Dostoevsky, is the human soul. And it must be won!
  6. Pig
    Pig 19 February 2016 08: 23
    -8
    Bulgaria is a country of sh.l.u.h.a .... as well as other Romania - the countries of Eastern Europe ... who is stronger - they lick the plates in that one;) are pinches in force today? lick at the pinches ... tomorrow the Russians? Ltd! bros and all that ...
    the day after tomorrow humanoids will fly to them to cross over
    senator mccain country
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 19 February 2016 08: 55
      +8
      The West, from Europe to America itself, is a rabid beast that destroys, kills, robs for its own profit wherever it can reach. Only the USSR, the Soviet system, with a communist ideology, could keep this rabid beast within.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 19 February 2016 11: 17
      +8
      Quote: Pig
      Bulgaria is a country of sh.l.u.h.a .... as well as other romania

      Swear, swear, but not a single Bulgarian from the combat units killed a single Russian / "Russian" /, unlike the Romanians, whom the Red Army soldiers preferred not to take prisoner.
      1. Pig
        Pig 19 February 2016 16: 19
        0
        but not a single Bulgarian
        How do you know?
        1. ivanovbg
          19 February 2016 16: 56
          +4
          Throughout the civilized world, the plaintiff must prove the accusation, not the defendant. Otherwise it turns out - prove to me that you are not a camel or a piggie :)
          1. Pig
            Pig 19 February 2016 18: 15
            0
            I am not your plaintiff and we are not in court ... the person wrote: "not a single Bulgarian", as I understand it, he cannot prove what he has written;)
            I don’t say anything, I just doubt very much ... was there a fascist party in Bulgaria? was ... and they are fascists and fascists are!
            and about the plaintiffs and defendants is fiction;)
      2. driver
        driver 19 February 2016 19: 16
        0
        Where such confidence???
      3. Weyland
        Weyland 20 February 2016 00: 25
        +2
        Quote: V.ic
        unlike the Romanians, whom the soldiers of the Red Army preferred not to take prisoner.


        This Hungarians were not taken prisoner (and deservedly so). Romanians gave up in batches. And they didn’t particularly atrocity over the civilian population (here to rob - yes, there were rare masters at that)
        1. but still
          but still 21 February 2016 03: 14
          0
          This Hungarians were not taken prisoner (and deservedly so). Romanians gave up in batches. And they didn’t particularly atrocity over the civilian population (here to rob - yes, there were rare masters at that)


          Near Odessa, read what happened, in fairness.
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  7. Mantykora
    Mantykora 19 February 2016 08: 54
    +4
    And now in Ukraine, streets are being renamed, monuments are being demolished within the framework of "decommunization" - a sign of the current name of the occupation. Tomorrow in Russia? When will Drang nach Osten be replaced by Drang Nach Westen?
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 19 February 2016 10: 22
    +7
    There are historians and there are borozapisy. The latter transform history from science into the art of explaining historical events for the sake of the ruling power.
  9. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 19 February 2016 10: 26
    12
    GLORY TO MARSHAL TOLBUKHIN - THE RELEASER OF BULGARIA !!!
  10. triglav
    triglav 19 February 2016 10: 38
    +5
    Nevertheless, the monuments are standing and tens of thousands of Bulgarians are ready to rise to their defense at any time.
    God forbid, bros. And then something is really sad ...
  11. creak
    creak 19 February 2016 11: 22
    +4
    Quote: author
    Tolbukhin also became a marshal for clearing Bulgaria of the Nazis and their Bulgarian monarchist fascist minions in just one week, without losing a single soldier in battle


    Over the entire period of our troops' advance in Bulgaria, not a single clash was noted with the units of the Bulgarian army, all contacts with them took place in a peaceful atmosphere. The population was exceptionally friendly ...
    Therefore, what kind of fights and with whom can we talk?
    1. ivanovbg
      19 February 2016 12: 02
      +9
      The population of Bulgaria was extremely friendly, but individual officers, policemen, governors of the city and regions were by no means. Many managed to escape with the retreating Nazi troops, but even more remained in place. Taking control of the whole country only by "soft power", without reaching open clashes, without losing a single soldier in battles - this is why Tolbukhin was awarded the marshal rank and for which he was appointed governor (well, chairman of the CCM) of Bulgaria.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 February 2016 11: 28
    +1
    There is a frenzied propaganda against Russia.

    Moreover, it perfectly affects the minds of Western youth. The United States believes that it was they who were the main participant and the winner in the 2nd MV, in Japan, that the USSR dropped atomic bombs. I don’t even want to talk about the active struggle with monuments. In this regard, Bulgaria is not yet ahead of other countries of the former socialist camp.
  13. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 19 February 2016 11: 45
    +3
    This happens because if we defend our history, then only in words, but more in screams. No pride? In Russophobic Poland, hundreds of monuments to Soviet liberators have already been demolished, and the same number are on the way. Why won't the memorial to the tragedy in the Katyn Forest be demolished here? Or at least they stuttered as a warning! And the Poles, oh, how they relate to this! Hard? Yes. Well, they treat us even worse, they openly spit on us. Why won't all the "liberal" historians who write textbooks for schoolchildren be kicked out? There is one lie, pleasing only to our partners. One must have pride and fight enemies with the same methods.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 19 February 2016 14: 56
      +1
      Why aren’t they going to demolish the memorial to the tragedy in the Katyn Forest?
      We have already demolished the monuments in 1917 and 1991, can it be time to stop this idiocy to destroy our own history? No need to be compared to the peoples who submitted to the hegemony of the West. We are the Great Russian People and should honor this title.
    2. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 19 February 2016 14: 57
      +1
      Why aren’t they going to demolish the memorial to the tragedy in the Katyn Forest?
      We have already demolished the monuments in 1917 and 1991, can it be time to stop this idiocy to destroy our own history? No need to be compared to the peoples who submitted to the hegemony of the West. We are the Great Russian People and should honor this title.
  14. biserino
    biserino 19 February 2016 11: 53
    +9
    During World War II, the Bulgarian army fought alone against the Nazis in Yugoslavia 1944-45. My grandfather also fought there. Do not judge by the mood of the Bulgarian people in the light of what our current rulers are doing are traitors. In the 90s, traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed us. Fact!
  15. atos_kin
    atos_kin 19 February 2016 12: 37
    +2
    In 1991, the USSR lost the Cold War and collapsed.

    The author is mistaken. In 1991, the USSR was betrayed and sold in parts by the leadership of the country and the KGB.
    1. ivanovbg
      19 February 2016 12: 54
      +5
      The collapse of the USSR is not even a topic for a separate article, but for the whole book. But! Esley in a few words: Gorbachev and the top betrayed. Someone tried to do something (GKChP), but did not burn out. The USSR lost the Cold War and collapsed. One must have the courage and valor to call appearances by their real names. This is the only way to learn from the mistakes of the past and not repeat them in the future. I do not blame and do not look for the guilty, but simply call historical phenomena by their real names.
      1. driver
        driver 19 February 2016 19: 18
        +1
        I agree. Correctly said 100%
      2. atos_kin
        atos_kin 19 February 2016 20: 22
        0
        One must not have "courage and valor" to repeat the imposed names of "phenomena", but knowledge and understanding of the causes and consequences of the events mentioned.
  16. Belousov
    Belousov 19 February 2016 13: 28
    +1
    There were people in Soviet times, even now the monuments of these people evoke hatred in the West. And there are certain questions to the "brothers" - why nothing is being done to restore historical justice? Why is everyone sitting in their burrows? Are you all waiting for help from your big brother? Can you do something on your own?
    1. ivanovbg
      19 February 2016 15: 22
      +4
      We can, and how. I began to write an article about the Tolbukhin monument, which we saved. It turned out too long and this is only the first part, there will be a sequel. But you, too, must take into account the balance of forces and means that has developed in Bulgaria.
      1. Egevich
        Egevich 19 February 2016 19: 15
        +3
        Quote: ivanovbg
        We can, and how. I began to write an article about the Tolbukhin monument, which we saved. It turned out too long and this is only the first part, there will be a sequel. But you, too, must take into account the balance of forces and means that has developed in Bulgaria.

        God help you brother ...
      2. pytar
        pytar 19 February 2016 22: 02
        +2
        Ivanov, you are wasting ... The article is good, but in my opinion useless for the audience to which you send it. Today's Russians ... they are different ... These here are not like their grandfathers, who smashed the Nazis throughout Europe. Nowadays, the average Russian is not less zombified than Ukrainian. Over the past 20 years, they have been driven into such nonsense in their heads that they only dream of "the betrayals of the Bulgarians". Bringing the truth to them is useless. Over the past 3-4 years, I have been communicating with them in many forums. Wrote thousands of comments and articles on facts and evidence. As a result, he became convinced that Western propaganda inflicted such terrible mutilations in their brains that they do not perceive anything that differs from their ideas. He was very sorry, since our peoples are not related, brotherly, and our enemies are common.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 20 February 2016 00: 30
          +2
          Quote: pytar
          Western propaganda inflicted such terrible injuries in their brains that they do not perceive anything that differs from their ideas


          What does Western propaganda have to do with it! Does the Western media suggest to the Russians that the Bulgarians are their enemies? Disruption of the South Stream project - Western propaganda?
          1. pytar
            pytar 20 February 2016 01: 44
            +2
            You will not believe ... I have already answered 50 times on this topic. Since I personally work on a project, I know for sure. In "your" media, 90% of sheer nonsense is replicated. Of course, pin-to-troll trolls intensively. A troll comes in and writes something like this: "The Bulgarians have closed the UP", "the Bulgarians are enemies of the Russians," "they have always fought against Russia," and a few more in the same spirit. What can I say ?! Who writes this, his brain is sick, but worse with the brains of those who believe in this.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 20 February 2016 16: 33
              -1
              Quote: pytar
              What can I say ?! Who writes this, his brain is sick, but worse with the brains of those who believe in this.


              That is, the fact that Istanbul already in 1887 terminated the dip. relations with Russia - feik? And the fact that your Vazov also wrote about his anti-Russian policy is also a fake? laughing
              And on whose side did Bulgaria fight in WWI?
              1. pytar
                pytar 20 February 2016 19: 29
                +4
                Stambolov has been thoroughly distanced from Russia in these years. But in order to understand why in the most Russophile country in the world, the Russophobic came to power, you need to know much deeper the history and politics of those times. As for the wars ... Bulgaria, ALWAYS fought against the Anglo-Saxons! They have always been the worst enemies of the Slavs! For what x-I Russia fought with them and for the interests of its worst enemies, this is a question that I should not answer. Ksati and the result for Russia from participation in PVM, in itself says ... On the topic of PMA, I made detailed statements in other related topics. You can read them by going to my "last comments". But it seems to me that for people like you, it doesn't matter what the truth is. It’s more important to give a damn about everything you can. Spit ... minus ... Do not change the truth! bully
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 21 February 2016 00: 24
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                  Quote: pytar
                  Bulgaria, ALWAYS fought against the Anglo-Saxons! They have always been the worst enemies of the Slavs! For which xth Russia fought along with them and for the interests of its worst enemies, this is a question on which I should not answer


                  In WWI, Russia fought on the side of France and Serbia - the brazen people entered the war later! Germany generally risked starting a war only because the arrogant Saxons assured her of their neutrality! And the Bulgarians fought for Germany, primarily to take revenge on the Serbs, because after the 1st Balkan war there was a 2nd Balkan - due to the fact that the production was not divided!
                  1. but still
                    but still 21 February 2016 03: 33
                    +1
                    And the Bulgarians fought for Germany, primarily to take revenge on the Serbs, because after the 1st Balkan war there was a 2nd Balkan - due to the fact that the production was not divided!

                    belay Bulgaria did not fight for Germany in WWI, but FOR MYSELF, FOR ITS BULGARIAN LANDS WITH THE BULGARIAN POPULATION, which after the second Balkan war were carried away by neighbors.

                    But Russia for which he fought in WWII?
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              2. but still
                but still 21 February 2016 03: 05
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                Not Istanbul terminated dip. relations with Russia, and Nikolai Kaulbars, representative of Russia. In general, having read about those events, one wonders how in a country where the entire population literally idolized Russia, Alexander 3 and his diplomats profiled all the positions won by Alexander 2 !!! Everything that Alexander 2 created was destroyed by his son (he canceled the reforms - here you have the discontent and preconditions for uprisings and revolutions) Alexander 3 did not like Prince Alexander Battenberg (the beloved nephew of his father, Alexander 2). Alexander 3 opposed the reunification of part of the Bulgarian lands with the Bulgarian population. The Russian officers recalled (meanwhile Serbia attacked Bulgaria), seized and recalled the Bulgarian prince, Alexander Battenberg. He abdicated, if only the world was ... And Stambolov 2 times made attempts to establish relations after the ultimatum and the demarche of Kaulbars, who interrupted the deep. relationship. And the prince of the new Waldemar of Denmark was offered (a relative of the Russian emperor), if only peace and friendship were. But no! Uncompromising obstinacy. Well, they knocked around without the prince for a certain time, until they found Ferdinand. But everything could be different ... The Russian autocrat himself profiled positions and influence in Bulgaria. Only after his death with his son, Nicholas 2, were the deep restored. relationship. Although he also broke firewood ... Counter-question: Why Russia got involved in the WWII, can you tell me?
                So Vazov, whom you recall, was at first an ardent Russophile, but, after certain events, his Russophile ardor cooled noticeably (read his works).
                1. pytar
                  pytar 21 February 2016 12: 37
                  +3
                  No wonder. Russians can make even their closest friends and enemies even of their brothers! This is what they can do. I’m ready to change my sworn Russophilia, to Russophobia or okay ... to neutrality. I heard such nonsense and delirium during the last year communicating with the Russians that my sympathies for them began to lurk noticeably. I remember how I constantly fought on forums with stolen, etc. anti-Russian ... Defended Russia like mine! It wasn’t worth it, as I understand it ... Something is wrong with this country ...
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          2. but still
            but still 21 February 2016 03: 23
            0
            Can you tell me which of all the projects after 2014 has not been disrupted? And who is to blame for this? So it turns out that everyone around is "bad"? It is a very difficult situation, but there is always a way out, and it is - compromises.
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  17. Waran
    Waran 19 February 2016 15: 16
    +2
    In order for them to be able to do something "on their own" they need a Leader (a Real Rampant, who are few in the whole world) or outside help.
    1) But real Leaders who are disliked by the "powerful of this world" (and the Real Rampant, by definition, is disliked by them) are usually shot, poisoned, blown up, etc.
    2) Help can be different, depending on who and for what purpose (Ukraine, Chile, etc. examples). For the good of the peoples, only the USSR could help other countries, and even then often pursuing its own goals.
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  19. kirgudu
    kirgudu 20 February 2016 09: 56
    0
    Yes, it’s not against the Soviet one, Western civilization is against everything human in principle. This is a predatory world order, which they have been trying to push us into for 30 years.
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  21. cyber
    cyber 20 February 2016 21: 00
    +1
    We ended up in NATO not because we want it, but because the USSR / Russia left Eastern Europe. While there were CMEA and ATS, Bulgaria was a very loyal ally. And to stop alone the EU and NATO eastward movement, we - sorry - could not.

    Ivan, you will forgive me, of course, but only Russia, the USA and China can be independent! All other countries can only choose which side they will be on. If they think that they are on their own, then there is only one option - they are simply not needed by anyone. do not have the necessary resources - human or natural. Bulgaria has made its choice - NATO! There is no going back, whatever you do there. The West will not let you go, even if 99% of Bulgarians are in favor of leaving NATO. In the worst case, NATO will simply destroy you as a state. For example, the troops of your NATO partners, the Turks, will be brought in. And even if Russia really wants to, it will no longer be able to help you. Alas! The unthinkable, of course: Russia saved the Bulgarians from the Turks, who just wanted to slaughter all the Bulgarians, and now, suddenly, the Turks, who killed your ancestors like some kind of cattle, are your partners in the confrontation against Russia, the former savior of the Bulgarians. As the saying goes "the ways of the Lord are inscrutable"! The people who do not know their past have no future! Is not it?
    1. pytar
      pytar 11 March 2016 14: 41
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      "Bulgaria has made its choice - NATO!" - What kind of "choice" are you talking about? In 2004, more than 80% of Bulgarians were AGAINST joining NATO, according to sociological polls of Western sociological agencies! That is why the then pro-Western government did not hold a referendum! I do not consider such a "choice" as final! After all, no one asked the people! Accordingly, the entry of Bulgaria into NATO, controversial from all points of view!