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“Dry”: military experience in Syria will help increase the capabilities of combat aircraft

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The experience of the war in the SAR will help designers in developing new and modernizing existing combat aircraft, reports RIA News statement by deputy general director of Sukhoi Alexander Klementyev.


“Dry”: military experience in Syria will help increase the capabilities of combat aircraft


“Undoubtedly, after a while everything that happens there will be carefully analyzed, the findings will help us with building up the capabilities of our military aviation. It’s good when airplanes are tested in conditions of hostilities, ”Klementyev said at the Singapore air show.

He also said that the Russian Federation "is reducing the participation of its aerobatic teams in international air shows due to the difficult economic situation."

“These pleasures (air shows) are becoming more and more expensive - before the main air shows of the world would be happy to see our equipment in action. We used it for commercial purposes - in terms of cheaper placement of our equipment, but there are less and less such conversations now, ”said Klementyev.

“We very carefully calculate where and with which equipment we are present,” he added.
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  1. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 17 February 2016 17: 28
    -33 qualifying.
    Water ... Optional article.
    How will it help? What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?
    There is no opposition. Hit statistics only, but this is for SVP-24
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 17 February 2016 17: 30
      15
      Quote: MainBeam
      What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?

      Opponents shooting not idle. NATO instructors, the latest 5th generation fighters, and much more.
      You look and communication will improve aviation with the command.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 17 February 2016 17: 32
        -31 qualifying.
        Quote: chikenous59
        Quote: MainBeam
        What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?

        Opponents shooting not idle.

        Is this about the downed Su-24?
        The remaining dryers got a lot of idle per capita :-))
        .
        1. chikenous59
          chikenous59 17 February 2016 17: 35
          24
          Quote: MainBeam
          Is this about the downed Su-24?
          The remaining dryers got a lot of idle per capita.

          You know, it's one thing to run around the range and shoot at conventional targets, it's another thing when they shoot at you "not for fun" at all. It's the same with aviation. It is said in the article that a thorough analysis will be carried out. Who knows what is really going on in Syria.
          1. Mainbeam
            Mainbeam 17 February 2016 17: 40
            -45 qualifying.
            Quote: chikenous59
            Who knows what is really going on there in Syria.

            You don’t know, so suppose. And without affirmation, or at least an assumption, to say that something is going on there is profanity. So, what is going on with the crew of dryers? Have you begun to look more, expecting a stab in the back? More flying? Intensity increased? Are the climatic conditions harsh? So it was all possible to drive away at our training grounds.

            From you - a bad comment. About nothing, like the article.
            .
            1. chikenous59
              chikenous59 17 February 2016 17: 43
              19
              Quote: MainBeam
              You don’t know, so suppose.

              How is that good? I'd rather know or be silent, than to shake the air for nothing with my assumptions. It’s enough for our experts like that, especially in economics, who apparently also know little, therefore they suggest.
              So it was all possible to drive away at our training grounds.

              But what about psychology? It is one thing when you imagine a possible attack on your board, and another thing when this attack is quite possible. Guess from which gorge or basement the blank will fly into you.
              1. Mainbeam
                Mainbeam 17 February 2016 17: 46
                -32 qualifying.
                Quote: chikenous59
                I know better or I will be silent

                So be quiet.

                Quote: chikenous59
                What about psychology?

                Smiled! Very helpful designers in the development of new aircraft.
                Always confuse soft with warm.
                .
                1. chikenous59
                  chikenous59 17 February 2016 17: 47
                  12
                  Quote: MainBeam
                  Quote: chikenous59
                  I know better or I will be silent

                  So be quiet.

                  Well, definitely a troll laughing
                  1. Mainbeam
                    Mainbeam 17 February 2016 17: 50
                    -29 qualifying.
                    Quote: chikenous59
                    Well, definitely a troll

                    Great argument. Great conversationalist. Great commentator.
                    .
                    1. soldat74
                      soldat74 17 February 2016 21: 24
                      +5
                      You say that you do not seem to know about the rich trophies inherited from the Georgian army. But there, equipment and weapons were not only Russian-made. The latest Amerian weapons were carefully examined and analyzed by our experts. That is all, as you, I hope perfectly understand, and there is a deep, comprehensive analysis of the ongoing, past and future wars.
                  2. dr.Bo
                    dr.Bo 17 February 2016 17: 59
                    +8
                    Quote: chikenous59
                    Quote: MainBeam
                    Quote: chikenous59
                    I know better or I will be silent

                    So be quiet.

                    Well, definitely a troll laughing

                    Rather, just a day failed. drinks
                2. chikenous59
                  chikenous59 17 February 2016 17: 52
                  +9
                  Quote: MainBeam
                  Smiled! It will help designers in the development of new aircraft.
                  Always confuse soft with warm.

                  Well, the plane is not a pile of iron, there is also a pilot, on whom a lot depends. It is possible that it is at the request of the pilots that they will make adjustments to the equipment, to the aircraft structure. Something will be added, something will be reduced.
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                    1. chikenous59
                      chikenous59 17 February 2016 18: 12
                      +7
                      And at the training ground they didn’t run to the whistle of combat? No? Have anyone taken away from the battlefield ahead of time on a stretcher? The torn off legs did not roll near you? Or other parts of the body.
                      He learned in his own skin that there is nothing more dangerous than an armed enemy, not conditional, but real. No children, no teachings will surpass this.
                  2. evge-malyshev
                    evge-malyshev 17 February 2016 19: 18
                    +5
                    at the request of the pilots will make adjustments to the equipment, to the aircraft structure. Something will be added, something will be reduced.

                    This people can not be convinced! Dolby one and the same. What he wants is incomprehensible. Satisfies own pride? Maybe: here I am, what an original !!!!
                  3. ty60
                    ty60 17 February 2016 21: 29
                    +1
                    Live work, different people, objective statistics are being collected. Design improvements, and a new fly-around. So machines grow up in terms of possibilities.
                3. gergi
                  gergi 17 February 2016 19: 55
                  +2
                  It’s easy and pleasant to be a haml, isn't it?
            2. edeligor
              edeligor 17 February 2016 18: 22
              +5
              Quote: MainBeam
              From you - a bad comment. About nothing, like the article

              You are wrong, with all due respect. I, as a fond of our aircraft, I can say that the armament of the Dryers desires the best. Protection of the back sphere (at least for the Su-24) is about nothing!
            3. gergi
              gergi 17 February 2016 19: 52
              -5
              Immediately go as a consultant to the videoconferencing, there is no way without you, they were waiting.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 17 February 2016 17: 41
        16
        Quote: chikenous59
        You look and communication will improve aviation with the command.

        Connection? Yes, there ALL the airborne complex is undergoing a real run-in. And the engines in hard rotation mode, and tactics of combat use, and the use of weapon systems, radar, communications, target designation and guidance, reconnaissance, etc. Further enumerate, or turn on the imagination yourself? Plus the invaluable experience gained by real combat pilots is worth a lot!
        And the picture is real handsome !!! Interestingly, is it a Su-30SM or Su-35S?
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 17 February 2016 18: 09
          +8
          Quote: GSH-18
          Connection? Yes, there ALL the airborne complex is undergoing a real run-in. And the engines in hard rotation mode, and tactics of combat use, and the use of weapon systems, radar, communications, target designation and guidance, reconnaissance, etc.


          I will join your comment. On my own I will add: any weapon offered on the market is not least evaluated by potential buyers according to the criterion "Participation in real hostilities." So, I think Syria will benefit our entire military-industrial complex.
          1. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 17 February 2016 22: 01
            +6
            Quote: Polite Elk
            I will join your comment. On my own I will add: any weapon offered on the market is not least evaluated by potential buyers according to the criterion "Participation in real hostilities." So, I think Syria will benefit our entire military-industrial complex.

            Add.
            I watched the general’s speech from the General Staff, he said: in vain people think that Russia spends a lot of money on an operation in Syria.
            First, the money that was already planned for the exercises goes there.
            And secondly, for those systems that are now used in Syria, a queue has already been lined up .... and all this will pay off tenfold.
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    2. leshiy076
      leshiy076 17 February 2016 17: 32
      12
      Not a single training ground can replace a combat situation.
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 17 February 2016 17: 37
        +8
        Quote: leshiy076
        Not a single training ground can replace a combat situation.

        Of course, and psychology makes itself felt. Pilots work very differently in combat situations, at the risk of being shot down, rather than flying within their own country.
        Therefore, it is possible that some modernized warning systems about the attack will appear, means of protection and detection, new weapons.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 17 February 2016 17: 52
          -3
          Quote: chikenous59
          Pilots work very differently in combat situations, at the risk of being shot down, rather than flying within their own country.

          No longer risking, thank God! Our pilots are now operating under the most powerful cover: S-400, Pantsir C1, ground-based electronic warfare systems, plus a naval air defense component. And all the newest Su are wearing Khibiny-U and air-to-air missiles on the wingtips. Any attack on them in such conditions is completely meaningless. soldier
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 17 February 2016 17: 58
            +5
            Quote: GSH-18
            No longer taking risks, thank God!

            I wouldn’t be so excited. You can relax only at home and then on the ground.
            Even the gun fires once a year. Nobody knows what to expect from the barmaley. I think they don't care about the S-400. What the owners of the Arabians can "give" them is also difficult to guess where it will come.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 17 February 2016 19: 02
              +2
              Quote: chikenous59
              I wouldn’t be so excited.

              We read and delve into the last sentence of the comment:
              Any attack on them in such conditions is completely meaningless. soldier

              America does not fly for an idea but for money. And they do not intend to die from Russian air defense, and even more so from a collision with the Su-30SM or Su-35S.
              And the Turkish F-16s in the conditions of the built-up Russian air defense are stupid targets for our attacking Sushki. And they understand this very well. Russian superiority in the sky of Syria is not disputed even by the alliance. What makes impossible provocations such as the downing of our Su-24 bomber, etc. Unprecedented action taken.
              1. chikenous59
                chikenous59 17 February 2016 19: 05
                +1
                Quote: GSH-18
                completely meaningless

                I think the ISIS has its own meaning, about which you, I, and many others do not even guess.
                What does the fanatic have in mind?
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 17 February 2016 19: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: chikenous59
                  I think the ISIS has its own meaning, about which you, I, and many others do not even guess.
                  What does the fanatic have in mind?

                  The desires of the morons are not considered real threats (exhaustive measures were initially taken against them), they are targets for testing our modern weapons, and the supply of modern air defense weapons to this region is taken under extreme control, since not only ours fly there, but also the Americans.
              2. Maksus
                Maksus 17 February 2016 19: 27
                +1
                Well, what the Americans fly for is a moot point. Yes, they have relaxed recently, but in Korea and Vietnam - they showed themselves quite well, and there were plenty of opportunities to die there. The same John Kerry - fought normally, do we have many officials who can brag about this?
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 17 February 2016 19: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Maksus
                  The same John Kerry - fought normally, do we have many officials who can brag about this?

                  Well, yes, you give McCain an example. lol
                  It’s for nothing that the shell-shocked one hundred percent Russophobe now!
                  1. Maksus
                    Maksus 17 February 2016 19: 39
                    +1
                    I cited Kerry as an example, McCain - this is a special case - he was held captive, possibly including not without our participation. And many of our politicians can boast that they served, were at war, in captivity and tried to burn their own aircraft carrier?
                    1. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 17 February 2016 19: 52
                      -2
                      Quote: Maksus
                      And many of our politicians can boast that they served, were at war, captured and tried to burn own aircraft carrier?

                      If you are not in the know, then we (as in the USSR) have never had and still do not (which are not buzzing) aircraft carriers, as well as the AUG. Although now secretly and in full swing are engineering work in this direction.
                      And thank God that we do not have such fools as McCain, who hit 4 deck aircraft and started a fire on his own Aircraft Carrier. And I really hope that there will not be any.
                      And as for Kerry, he was lucky to stay alive, which can not be said about hundreds of American deck pilots in a clash with Soviet air defense (not very numerous and effective, not like in Syria now).
                      1. Maksus
                        Maksus 18 February 2016 19: 50
                        0
                        Well, at least read something fool Kerry is a sailor. He fought on boats, what have the shot down pilots ???
    3. Altona
      Altona 17 February 2016 18: 19
      +5
      Quote: MainBeam
      How will it help? What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?

      -------------------
      Turkish Air Force, Patriot air defense systems, all kinds of NATO radars ...
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 February 2016 18: 33
      +9
      Quote: MainBeam
      How will it help? What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?

      Work on real goals in real terrain in an intense mode.
      Instead of departures once a day for training purposes at the training ground studied to the last bush.

      There are some questions THAT are worth ... remember the "Exam" operation, when the Su-25 first went to a real war:
      As a result of the "Exam" operation, they also noted the high labor costs for equipping the Su-25 weapons. Reloading 250 rounds to the gun took 40 minutes for two gunsmiths, and the installation of the massive cartridge box was inconvenient. The provision of ground equipment has always been considered a secondary issue (although it is difficult to attribute this to the shortcomings of the aircraft itself), carts and weapon lifts worked extremely poorly, were unreliable, and the technicians who were preparing the attack aircraft had to manually drag bombs and missiles, using the soldier's ingenuity, contriving to hang even half-ton bombs, since the pylons were not very high (Even when designing the Su-25, the designers took into account this "insoluble problem" and determined the position of the pylons, taking into account that a person can lift a large load only to chest level). Especially a lot of strong words aroused among the gunsmiths the device of the hatches of the bow compartment of the equipment, where the sight blocks were located, the armored panels in the open position were held above the head on frail racks and, as soon as they were touched, the pood covers fell down. Inspecting the work of the 200th OSHAE, Air Marshal PS Kutakhov flew to Shindand several times, personally supervising the Su-25.

      At a home airfield when working in a leisurely mode, all these problems were not particularly noticed. But in real combat work, they stood up to their full height.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 17 February 2016 18: 37
        -9
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And not 1 flights once a day for training purposes at the training ground studied until the last bush

        This means that the work at the landfills is very poorly organized. Criminal negligence.
        In the SAR there is no aviation confrontation, there is no enemy air defense equipment.
        Currently, there is nothing in the SAR that cannot be simulated at the training grounds when testing equipment.
        .
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 17 February 2016 19: 08
          +3
          Quote: MainBeam
          This means that the work at the landfills is very poorly organized. Negligence.

          So what to do? And so the combat training grounds are already shuffling, forcing the regiments of one district to work in another. Doesn't help - the number of polygons is limited.
          And here is the territory of the whole country + the constantly moving enemy + allied units located nearby, on which it is extremely not recommended to enter + civilian.
          In addition, there was a threat from the air defense missile system (before the capture of the "squares" the "babays" had 2 "wasps", of which they filled up a couple of Syrian helicopters) and from the side of the Turkish IA. This is not a training ground where the pilot does not feel danger.
        2. poquello
          poquello 17 February 2016 19: 56
          +1
          Quote: MainBeam
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And not 1 flights once a day for training purposes at the training ground studied until the last bush

          This means that the work at the landfills is very poorly organized. Criminal negligence.
          In the SAR there is no aviation confrontation, there is no enemy air defense equipment.
          Currently, there is nothing in the SAR that cannot be simulated at the training grounds when testing equipment.

          there are alien radars there, few?
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 17 February 2016 20: 45
          +5
          Quote: MainBeam
          This means that the work at the landfills is very poorly organized. Criminal negligence.
          In the SAR there is no aviation confrontation, there is no enemy air defense equipment.
          Currently, there is nothing in the SAR that cannot be simulated at the training grounds when testing equipment.
          .

          A polygon is a training ground, and real combat operations are real combat operations. If you do not see the difference, these are your problems and you shouldn't dump your problems here. The difference is big, even psychological - to bomb with real bombs, to actually escort enemy aircraft flying on a combat mission. The same German "Tornado", the Germans have already complained. This is definitely not a polygon.
          Now they are chuckling - ha, a psychological difference! I will say - exactly! For example: Many people did not trade on the stock exchange, I traded. At the training stage, they gave a demo account with fake money - study, buy, sell stocks, make profits and increase your demo account. The stock quotes of the New York Stock Exchange are real, transmitted in real time. Wow, I quickly became Warren Buffett on the demo account, bang, 1300% profit in a month! Fine! Ready to trade on the stock exchange! We took our hard-earned money, opened a real account for our own hard-earned money and bang! Reset to zero in the same month! It turns out that betting "training" grandmothers and betting their hard-earned, earned are two big differences, leading to completely different game strategies.
          Now, instead of your grandmas, imagine your life!
          Quote: MainBeam
          In the SAR there is no aviation confrontation, there is no enemy air defense equipment.
          - it’s obvious to you from your couch, but it’s not at all obvious to a combat pilot in Syria flying on a combat mission. Sneaking up the Turkish F-16 is not the last surprise, the pilots know this. And unlike my example above, not your money is at stake here, but your own life! And this is only one of the differences between the training ground and military operations in Syria. Sorry, I rarely put cons, but here I put it to you, because you did not see this very serious moment. And flyers like VAF will also reveal the difference in technical details to you, I’m not strong at that, but the psychological aspect is definitely there, and it certainly affects it - I’m sure of that.
    5. Mercenary
      Mercenary 17 February 2016 18: 42
      +2
      Are you a toad strangling that someone will write a dissertation on this topic and their quality and work efficiency will increase in addition to the saved lives of pilots? And the confrontation is constant not in vain Tu-214 surpassed!
    6. Bkmz
      Bkmz 17 February 2016 18: 42
      +4
      What kind of question is this, why do you need a woman, can you also use your hand?
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 17 February 2016 18: 56
        -2
        Quote: Bkmz
        why do you need a woman, can you also use your hand?

        Why do I need a black woman if you can do the same with a Jewish woman?

        To write a dissertation :-))
        .
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 17 February 2016 19: 34
          +3
          Quote: MainBeam
          Why do I need a black woman if you can do the same with a Jewish woman?

          If you use your analogy, then in the first case you will do it in the area of ​​compact residence of the black majority, and at the door there will be black brothers who want to get to know the "snowball" closely. And in the second case - in a quiet comfortable house.
          Really - and what's the difference? smile
    7. dauria
      dauria 17 February 2016 19: 57
      +4
      ? What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?


      Well, for example, how does it look like, for example, preparation for a flight to the test site? Everyone knows everything, and the landfill has been studied to the last bush, the only joint on board is on a hydraulic lift. And what does it look like, say, a BSHU as part of a squadron with a half-hour interval from receiving a mission to take off? A small rush, when everyone is on their ears, everyone who can walk, kicks bombs in a bomber, 6 pieces per side and with mats on two crowbars (the third crowbar with welded "garbage" is screwed in instead of a fuse) is raised by five of them to the pylon. At this time, a soldier from the weapons group is more important than any officer, they are few and only they fix the bomb, screw in the fuse. All others are draft power. Commander with pravak on task setting. Can you figure out a lot in half an hour? There are many subtleties that are not needed in peacetime, or you will not notice behind insignificance. But these little things can turn into hemorrhoids in combat conditions.
  2. Maksus
    Maksus 17 February 2016 17: 29
    +6
    Syria is now the best platform to demonstrate the capabilities of our defense industry. Why they do not use high-precision ammunition is an excellent advertisement. It's time to adopt one simple truth - people love movies! It was on this that the states played when they turned the Desert Storm into a reality show. It is necessary to take advantage of the moment - while there is the opportunity to bombard the barmaley with impunity - it is necessary to bomb with all sorts of different things and show at exhibitions in HD.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 February 2016 18: 02
      +2
      Quote: Maksus
      We must take advantage of the moment - while there is the opportunity to bombard the barmaley with impunity - we must bomb with all sorts of different things and show at exhibitions in HD

      What do you dislike about the demonstration of the combat use of the Kalibr cruise missiles and the Kh-101 strategic aviation cruise missiles? Nata got up from such a cancer from surprise lol
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 17 February 2016 18: 07
        +4
        Quote: GSH-18
        Nata from such a cancer got up from surprise

        Well, if they had gotten away from cancer with surprise, then Turkey would not have been so impudent, France and Germany would have removed their planes from Syria, with the British and Americans it is more difficult. These were hardly scared, not with their own hands they were going to fight
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 17 February 2016 19: 07
          0
          Quote: chikenous59
          Well, if they got cancer with surprise, then Turkey would not have been so impudent

          And here’s the unexpectedness from the State Department, confirming my words: http://topwar.ru/91038-gosdep-prizval-ankaru-prekratit-obstrely-sar.html#
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 17 February 2016 19: 25
            0
            Quote: GSH-18
            Quote: chikenous59
            Well, if they got cancer with surprise, then Turkey would not have been so impudent

            And here’s the unexpectedness from the State Department, confirming my words: http://topwar.ru/91038-gosdep-prizval-ankaru-prekratit-obstrely-sar.html#

            Saw, but perhaps this is just a game to the public. What is happening behind the scenes is unknown.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 17 February 2016 19: 37
              -1
              Quote: chikenous59
              Saw, but perhaps this is just a game to the public. What is happening behind the scenes is unknown.

              Are you a supporter of the theory of world conspiracy? You also wrote Russian in white. What are we hysteria, inventing? Or do you know something? Then Old in the studio.
      2. Maksus
        Maksus 17 February 2016 19: 24
        -2
        Caliber is interesting, it is indisputable here. But this is an ordinary subsonic cruise missile, with amer tomahawks, as it were, will be larger. Surprise is the very fact that we have the same weapons, but can we deliver them in the right quantity to the coast of a country located in another hemisphere? Americans will definitely be able to, it’s verified. Yes, the idea of ​​normal air defense - Caliber is very vulnerable. The same Vulcan-Phalanx can fight them. But for barmaley - this is a blow below the belt. Death bearded!
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 17 February 2016 20: 10
          -1
          Quote: Maksus
          amer tomahawks will have more

          Where does this information come from? What if not already? After all, the Americans, until recently, thought that the "Caliber" beats a maximum of 300 km?
          Quote: Maksus
          but can we deliver them in the right quantity to the coast of the country?

          As events have shown, we can. And it was an unpleasant surprise for Nata.
          Quote: Maksus
          Americans will definitely be able to, it’s verified.

          And who will allow them now? Do you follow the situation? And what will it give them now? They will definitely not fight with us over the moron Erdogan.
          Quote: Maksus
          Yes, the idea of ​​normal air defense - Caliber is very vulnerable.

          The bullshit is full. Nato does not know the real performance characteristics of this rocket: neither the radio signature (for pointing anti-aircraft missiles) nor the attack algorithm request
          They are stupidly at a loss.
          I'm not even talking about a massive attack by "Caliber" and "X-101"
          The superiority of the Russian Army in this region has left the American "coalition" in complete dupes.
          Look at what the Germans say about it:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duvNIR7VNts
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 17 February 2016 22: 28
            -1
            What events have shown that we can calibrate targets in the other hemisphere? Launch from inland waters for stationary targets through friendly territory? Do not make me laugh. These are not the Americans we scared, but Europe. Turn on your head, not a propaganda fool.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 17 February 2016 23: 39
              +1
              Quote: Maksus
              Turn on your head, not a propaganda fool.

              Dear, learn the materiel before writing here all the nonsense and make everyone laugh here. Even to comment there is no desire or educational program to carry out.
              1. Maksus
                Maksus 18 February 2016 09: 33
                0
                A similar wish to the cheer patriot. Believe propaganda!
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 17 February 2016 21: 11
          +3
          And how are you going to detect and shoot down a rocket flying at an altitude of 60 - 100 meters at a speed of under 800 km / h? This is very cool if suddenly a six-barreled anti-aircraft gun will be in the way of this missile. But how do you know which route it will fly?
          By the way, in Britain, after the death of several anti-aircraft batteries, they stopped shooting at the V-1 from the course angles. Since this world's first cruise missile had the peculiarity of falling straight off course from damage. Sometimes - on the heads of hapless anti-aircraft gunners!
      3. ty60
        ty60 17 February 2016 21: 55
        0
        101 aren’t quite ice, they’re working on it now. Here’s an example of a crude solution. However, now the problems are identified and solved. This is exactly what the real refinement of technology happens to be.
        1. KCA
          KCA 18 February 2016 08: 52
          0
          Someone told you that they are not ice and are working on it? This man has definitely been put on a stake already, around 101 the secrecy is simply off scale, when in our city they held exhibitions "The history of the creation of cruise missiles in Dubna" (MKB "Raduga" is the developer of almost all cruise missiles in the USSR and Russia) the organizers wanted somehow to mention the X-101/102, they did not even count on receiving any data, they thought to hang something from the Internet on the stand, so they were told that there were no X-101 at all and there should be no mention of them, even with Internet, though not from Internet
  3. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 17 February 2016 17: 29
    +4
    Mainbeam
    "Water....
    How will it help? What's new in the SAR that is not on our test sites? "

    I think that corpses ...
    pisi:
    Everything that is not done is all for the better !!!
  4. Malachite
    Malachite 17 February 2016 17: 30
    +2
    War verification of military equipment is the main sign of quality and reliability! 9 everything else bullshit)
  5. 31rus
    31rus 17 February 2016 17: 32
    +1
    Dear, why did you drive the vaunted 'Raptors' all the way to South Korea (just kidding), and seriously bow to you to Mother Earth herself, for your labors
  6. SAM 5
    SAM 5 17 February 2016 17: 34
    +3
    Of course, no polygons can be compared with real combat conditions.
  7. andre
    andre 17 February 2016 17: 34
    +2
    Well, a bunch of advertising experts came running laughing . And what we only use stupid bombs ?? And the caliber? In short, there is a hollow belief that we are there not only for self-promotion, as states, but for geopolitics and the future of our country !!
  8. dFG
    dFG 17 February 2016 17: 35
    +3
    All right, the best tests are tests in battle, it’s right that they drove the 90s into Syria, even if they beat a dozen BMPs and the same famous kaz arena ... do manufacturers really not have a dozen ready-made test kits?
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 February 2016 17: 39
    17
    Combat experience is the most valuable thing. And the interrogation of a combat pilot
    provides designers with valuable material for equipment upgrades.

    "He also said that the Russian Federation" is reducing the participation of its aerobatic teams in international air shows "////

    This is not a problem. More importantly, if a lot of average average pilots learn to fly practically correctly, fly, bomb,
    keep in touch in a group, and not a dozen super-aces do extremely rarely applied aerobatics on an air show.

    The Isarilian Air Force is trying to ensure that everyone has approximately the same flying hours: the personnel officers
    and for the reservists, so that everyone could fly the same way on both the F-15 and the F-16, so that everyone could equally
    conduct an air battle and work on the ground.
    1. Malachite
      Malachite 17 February 2016 18: 19
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The Isarilian Air Force is trying to ensure that everyone has approximately the same flying hours: the personnel officers
      and for the reservists, so that everyone could fly the same way on both the F-15 and the F-16, so that everyone could equally
      conduct an air battle and work on the ground.

      Although I don’t really like Israel, you have something to learn from Russia in the military sphere ... You constantly check your equipment in combat conditions, and especially the army .. and the civilian population (everything is probably brought to automaticity and there’s no panic .. ) But with the Arabs still need to negotiate .. hi
      1. ty60
        ty60 17 February 2016 22: 10
        +1
        Useful experience should be adopted from everyone. Implementation issues are sometimes limited. And super-pilots are tightly used in INSTRUCTION work. To grind the experience is easier to be able to do it yourself. But to teach -... Mass is average. The level of aerobatics MUST correspond to the capabilities of the technique and better -if superior.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 February 2016 18: 39
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      More importantly, if many average ordinary pilots learn to fly correctly, effectively, fly, bomb, keep in touch in a group, and not a dozen super-aces, it is extremely rare to use aerobatics on an air show.

      On VIF2-NE, pomnitsa, they wrote that in aerobatics, aerobatic teams, of course, furnished combat pilots. But in the use of weapons, the aerobatics regularly lagged behind - and not from the specialists from the pulp and paper industry, but from the "line regiments".
      1. ty60
        ty60 17 February 2016 22: 13
        +1
        The question is, on whose landfill? If the landfill is linear, it is understandable. Check on someone else's landfill for both.
  10. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 17 February 2016 17: 50
    +3
    Any practical use of military equipment gives designers a lot of information, and most importantly, they will correctly dispose of it.
  11. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 17 February 2016 18: 04
    0
    The photo for the article is funny!
    We hung on the poor Su-35 the entire range of ammunition from two hundred and fifty to the Gadfly! good
    The only thing I can’t recognize is that it’s located under the tail boom, between the tepid ridges ... request
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 17 February 2016 18: 09
      +4
      Our VKS in Syria.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 February 2016 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      The photo for the article is funny!
      We hung on the poor Su-35 the entire range of ammunition from two hundred and fifty to the Gadfly!

      What is rich - so happy! smile
      There are still characteristic lattice rudders under the right wing.
  12. Mercenary
    Mercenary 17 February 2016 18: 30
    0
    “We very carefully calculate where and with what equipment we should be present”
    It’s good, but it’s ridiculously insulting to show the magnificence of opportunities for our hard-earned money before the inhabitants. Now let the specialists think and queue for the best in the world.
  13. Platonich
    Platonich 17 February 2016 19: 10
    0
    If there is a "difficult economic situation", then it is necessary to reduce the production of aircraft altogether and not participate in any air shows. Immediately, we will significantly reduce costs. And do not fly in Syria, save jet fuel!
  14. Thompson
    Thompson 17 February 2016 20: 22
    +2
    Quote: MainBeam
    Water ... Optional article.
    How will it help? What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?
    There is no opposition. Hit statistics only, but this is for SVP-24

    What can I say, I never cry, minusanul. Easy.
    We have already said that no training ground can replace a real combat situation. All polygons are ALREADY USED, from whatever angle you go. But to navigate in a completely alien and unfamiliar area is completely different.
    In addition ... I remember reading a book when a lieutenant, a tanker, specially shot down sights on tanks and everyone, even experienced tankers fired at the exercises past, over and over again and seeing that they were smearing more than once, not one thought of making an amendment when shooting ....
    then I think everything is clear.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 18 February 2016 08: 46
      0
      Quote: Thompson
      I remember reading a book

      Yes, I also remember reading the recollections of a German soldier-altererist who described the shelling of Leningrad as a robot. In the morning he got up, had breakfast, went to charge the howitzer, dined, then fired, and to sleep - and so for several months. German pedantry. The real combat situation? I think that in that period of his life he did not assess his position as a combat situation. In that period of his life, nothing threatened his life. Although, it was probably threatened by both Soviet aircraft and retaliatory shelling ...
  15. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 February 2016 21: 40
    +1
    Quote: MainBeam
    Quote: chikenous59
    Quote: MainBeam
    What's new in the SAR, which is not at our training grounds?

    Opponents shooting not idle.

    Is this about the downed Su-24?
    The remaining dryers got a lot of idle per capita :-))
    .

    Video watch how helicopters work in Syria and at what height!
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 18 February 2016 07: 51
      -1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      how helicopters work in Syria

      Yes, the helicopters are super ironed. Already goosebumps. The couple walked in a circle at an altitude of less than twenty meters. Surely under fire from automatic weapons. There is no information about helicopters. But here the question was about drying. If you exaggerate, then the same Tu-160 took on board combat cruise missiles and launched them in Syria, possibly without leaving the territory of the Russian Federation. Like on the training ground.

      Yes, I see no difference for a professional work with combat and non-combat shells.

      As for the escort of German Tornadoes, I will say this: before, our pilots intercepted and escorted NATO aircraft. And always under a hysterical howl. Last time I walked with a scout at a distance of 20 feet (6 meters). Wing to wing. And here we accompany, but in the words of NATO generals "professionally". Yes, missiles under the wing. But there is also an agreement on interaction in the air.

      Further, our bombers accompany our fighters. Great cover. In addition, C-400 was put on alert and warned everyone that they would shoot down any aircraft that could potentially threaten our aircraft. Bombers can feel safe without looking at the planes of the Turks or Yanks, and work quietly on the ground.

      Sushki bombed from heights of more than 5 thousand, where portable MANPADS are not available. All aircraft are equipped with means of signaling about targeting and launching missiles. In addition, at the present time, all dryings are "khibiny", which "take" missiles aside or undermine. In this respect, the imitation of the launch of Su-24 missiles at the American "Donald Cook" equipped with "Aegis" was more dangerous and provocative.

      In Syria, they use high-precision munitions or SVP-24 - an automatic ammunition reset specified by coordinates. And I do not see much difference in the dumping of combat and non-combat ammunition. Yes, fixing the results is different, i.e. using an UAV, and not visually, as at the landfill.

      No more money is spent on a military operation than on planned exercises.

      Yes, the intensity of flights has increased. The work of pilots is fraught with potential hazards. And, of course, all data will be examined. The opinions of the pilots were taken into account. Technicians' actions analyzed. Well, so - as always. This is nothing special. And declare that "OhTort war in the SAR will help designers in the development of new and modernization of existing combat aircraft"- this is a trivial matter. From my point of view, currently work dryers in Syria is no different from intensive work at the training ground.
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  16. red_october
    red_october 18 February 2016 00: 15
    +2
    Nothing that aerobatic teams will not work!
    The operation in Syria - and so advertising for our aircraft and weapons - you can’t imagine any better!
    And pilots Strizhi and Knights - ideally, it would also be nice to go to Syria for further training.
    Working with real weapons in a combat situation is not an air show in Le Bourget, the load on the psyche is completely different.
    And vice versa, their experience in aerobatics would be in demand in the exchange of experience among the pilots of the Syrian air base, and, perhaps, would serve well in a combat situation, if such a place were available.
    And then - analyze, analyze - the experience of people, machines ...
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