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"Leader" instead of "Lenin"

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Transit battle leads the ice squad


At the end of January, the results of the contest “Technical and Economic Model of the Northern Sea Route” were announced. The revival of the Arctic is one of the strategic directions of Russian politics. But in order to ensure our constant presence in high latitudes, it is necessary to bring to a common denominator all the factors that determine the normal development of the region - from economic to environmental. This includes the life support of the Arctic, the formation of the appropriate infrastructure, and, of course, the optimal transportation schemes, including using specialized fleet ice class.

Russia remains the recognized leader in world icebreaking. This, in particular, confirms the certificate prepared for the US Congress. Let us turn to her for the sake of objectivity. According to American estimates, we have an 34 icebreaker in operation, with the most powerful in the world, four more in construction, nine in projects. In second place is Norway, with only nine vessels of this type.

“If we compare only the price of fuel, the operation of a nuclear-powered icebreaker, twice as powerful as diesel, is cheaper, not to mention ice traffic”
Our icebreaking fleet allows us not only to carry out systematic pilotage, but also to organize a full-blooded transport conveyor along the Northern Sea Route, which will undoubtedly contribute to the development of the entire Arctic.

Meanwhile, the lion’s share of the five million tons of cargo that went through the NSR last year falls on the port of Sabetta under construction with the production of liquefied natural gas, while transit traffic has declined.

The main route from Europe to Asia - through the Suez Canal - is three times longer than the northern route. However, transportation of a container along a long route costs from 500 to 1000 dollars, and along the Northern Sea Route it is about three times more expensive, both because of icebreaker traffic and because of the size of container ships.

Cargo delivery is cheaper, the larger the vessel for moving it. The capacity of modern ocean transport is approaching 20 thousands of TEUs (20-foot standard containers). For example, the Tripple E-Class M / V Mrsk Mc-Kinney Mller is designed for 18 238 TEU, and recently began building a series of ships for 21 thousand containers under 450 meters long and about 60 wide. It is clear that such ocean giants are not for Arctic swimming, they simply do not have ice class. In addition, today's icebreaker is not able to build a shipping channel with a width of 60 meters - we are only striving for this. But our bulk carriers are able to take on all the 500 TEU. From this tremendous rise in the cost of transportation. Therefore, the developers of marine technology offer not only icebreakers, but a whole line of ice transport. In particular, our colleagues from TsNIIMF recently defended in the Ministry of Transport a project of a container ship for Arctic navigation with a capacity of 3000 TEU.

It is more convenient with two transfers


Now it is important to understand how to organize the most efficient way through the Northern Sea Route. If for this purpose we use tankers, bulk carriers, ice-class container carriers, they are unlikely to be competitive in transit traffic. On "clean water" such vessels lose. They are more metal-intensive and energy-consuming (with high fuel consumption), have excess power for "clean water". On the other hand, the entire northern route from Europe to Asia is 7200 miles and only half passes in harsh ice conditions: from the Kara Gate to the Bay of Providence. Therefore, TsNIIMF proposes a new transport algorithm - with transshipment of cargo and arrangement of two hubs: Murmansk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, which can be operated by ordinary ships. The construction of large ports at the entrance to the Kola Bay and on Kamchatka itself will noticeably push the development of the territories of both the North and the Far East.

In a word, it is necessary to create a transit system of the Northern Sea Route. Here there is infrastructure, bunker bases, intermediate ports, navigation and rescue support. Despite the fact that the northern highway, according to statistics, is the safest. For all history Only eight ships and one person died here (member of the crew of the Chelyuskin ship).

Of course, the northern transportation requires investments, we need a normal economic model, coupled with a global cargo base and aimed at making the route competitive both in time and in cost. It is worth investing in this business.

The results of the contest “Technical and Economic Model of the Northern Sea Route” have just been summed up, in which the draft of the Analytical Center under the Government of the Russian Federation won. I hope this will be a significant step towards a comprehensive understanding of the economy of the Arctic route.

From “Moscow” to “Novorossiysk”


It is gratifying that the top leadership of the country responded in time to the alarm signal: by the beginning of the twenty-first century, the icebreaking fleet built in the Soviet years had significantly developed its intended resource. And when transporting cargo through the most difficult part of the Northern Sea Route, ice can not be dispensed with even with global warming itself. And in recent years, we are witnessing a resurgence of domestic icebreaking.

The first swallows were two 16-megawatt icebreakers, which, with the help of the Krylov Central Research Institute, were built in the 2008 – 2009 years at the Baltic Shipyard: St. Petersburg and Moscow. They are the most advanced diesel-electric installation, modern equipment, azimuth rotary propulsion. This new direction in the design of civilian ships, by the way, is gradually winning a place in military shipbuilding. Effective hull shape, well proven in operation. Sailors say that icebreakers are successful.

"Leader" instead of "Lenin"

The design of the exterior of the atomic icebreaker of the 10510 project (LK-110Я, cipher "Leader") was developed in collaboration with Iceberg Central Design Bureau. Photo: cont.ws

Vyborg Shipyard continued this series, already somewhat modernized. The hull lines remained the same, but the power was increased from 16 to 18 megawatts, and everything above the upper deck was rearranged. If the "Moscow" and "Petersburg" (project 21900) - a classic helipad on the stern, then in the updated model (project 21900 m) it was moved to the tank. The stern part, where a powerful towing winch is installed, is released for passing loads. Due to the redesign, new functionality appeared, as the customer wanted. The head icebreaker "Vladivostok" and the first serial - "Murmansk" have already stepped on watch. The third side - “Novorossiysk” was launched and after testing it will go to the port of registry at the end of this year. Each such double-deck 119-meter conductor with a 14,3 displacement of thousands of tons of an unlimited navigation area is able to overcome the ice of one and a half meters thickness.

Museums and concepts


Wiring through two-meter ices will be provided by the most powerful (25 MW) diesel-electric icebreaker Viktor Chernomyrdin of the 22600 project with a length of 146 meters and a displacement of over 22 thousand tons, being built at the Baltic Shipyard.

Our experts have calculated that the maximum power of diesel-electric icebreakers - 30 megawatts, if more - the ships are simply unprofitable. The fact is that their fuel consumption is 200 grams per kilowatt / hour, and it turns out that most of the deadweight will be eaten by fuel. It was not by chance that the hard workers “Captain Dranitsyn”, “Captain Sorokin”, “Captain Khlebnikov” and “Captain Nikolayev” - 16-megawatt built in the times of the USSR.

No matter what they say, nuclear-powered icebreakers cannot do without. If we compare only the price of fuel, the operation of a nuclear-powered vessel, twice as powerful as a diesel one, is cheaper. Not to mention the ice cross. In short, the only opportunity to develop Arctic transit and active economic activity in the Arctic is icebreakers with nuclear reactors.

Now there are eight nuclear-powered ships in Russia: the Arctic, which took over the polar watch in 1975, Siberia (1977), Russia (1985), Taimyr (1989), Soviet Union (1990), Vaigach (1990), Yamal (1993) and 50 of the Victory Years (2007).

The “Soviet Union” is being repaired, there is a proposal to retool it under the command center of the Arctic group of the Ministry of Defense (for more details see “MIC”, No. 3 – 4, 2016). The “grandfather” of the atomic icebreaking fleet “Lenin” (1959) became a museum in Murmansk. We hope that the Arctic will be museified, which, like Siberia, will be decommissioned.

The name “Arktika” has already named the nuclear-powered submarine LK-60, which is being built at the Baltic Shipyard. This is a serious project of the Iceberg Central Design Bureau and the Krylov Research Center. At the request of the customer, in addition to our research, control tests were carried out twice in foreign experimental ice pools, in particular in Hamburg. All the parameters stated by the State Research Center were confirmed. The LC-60 with a length of 173 of a meter and a displacement of more than 33 thousand tons will be the largest and most powerful icebreaker in the world (two-reactor unit RITM-200 – 2х175 MW). Due to the two-pack construction, it will be able to work in the western region of the Arctic - in the Barents, Pechora and Kara Seas, and in the shallower parts of the mouth of the Yenisei and Ob Bay. And the 34-meter hull width will allow alone carrying out tankers with a displacement of up to 70 thousand tons in the Arctic, overcoming three-meter ice at a constant speed. In a word, this is a modern vessel that meets the requirements of the second half of the XXI century. With rhythmic financing, shipbuilders will be able to build three new nuclear-powered ships by the 2020 – 2021 years.

In the working portfolio - a promising project "Leader". This is a classic, classic-style nuclear powered icebreaker with a length of more than 200 meters and a width of approximately 47. Power installation capacity - 110 – 120 megawatts. It will be able to lay an 50-meter wide shipping channel for the wiring of large ocean transports.

The conceptual design is made in two versions: two- and four-shaft. Tested, estimated value of the icebreaker. When the government decides on the construction, there will be a technical project.

Captains for the Arctic

It is worth noting that icebreaking is one of the knowledge-intensive industries, where the most advanced developments and dual-purpose ideas are accumulated. For example, the project of a two or four icebreaker. It will be able to provide the 60-meter channel even at lower power and will cost less, respectively. Other options: an icebreaker with an asymmetrical hull or super-maneuverable with an additional propeller in the nose tip, able to walk almost sideways. Such a build in Finland for Sabetta.

One of the eternal tasks of shipbuilders is to slow down corrosion. In arctic conditions, it "eats" a year almost according to 0,1 millimeters of the ship's hull. To save metal, we proposed an optimal ratio of physical, magnetic and static fields with a certain arrangement of protectors, supplying the appropriate current. This know-how Krylov Center delivers and the Navy. The same applies to the electromagnetic compatibility of the latest clever systems, without which a modern ship cannot be imagined.

A landmark event in the design of marine technology was the opening in the Krylovskiy scientific center of the most modern experimental Arctic basin in the world. The old one - 36 long in meters and 6 wide - was already inferior in capabilities to its competitors in Helsinki and Hamburg. The length of the new with additional cameras - about 100 meters with an active 80-meter "field". Here practically everything is feasible: tests for propulsion, for maneuverability, for ice load of both stationary platforms and anchored ones. You can even watch the ice creep on the object at very low speeds ... And the offshore basin under construction will allow you to simulate and compare the wind load and the current system with depth stratification, and three-dimensional waves. The only similar object in the world is the “Marino” in Holland.

We have an ultramodern 160 seaworthy basin on 35 meters under the same offshore roof. This unique experimental complex should strengthen our leadership position.

The new Polar Code introduces the concept of "ice captain" with the relevant qualification requirements. Anticipating the need for such specialists, we opened a training center close to real conditions for the training of navigators. Admiral Makarov State University of Maritime and River Fleet prepares a training program, provides instructors and presents certificates. And the training itself takes place on our base, where you can work out the actions of one or several ship crews in difficult ice conditions. The trainings are held simultaneously on six running bridges: two - with a circular view, as in the case of transports, and four “icebreaking” ones with a review of 180 degrees. Captains can work out the interaction with ships and in a caravan, and during sea operations (maneuvering, towing, rescue) both in arctic conditions and during various unrest.

The complex also allows you to train on real models crews of platforms, tankers and support vessels during the shipment of oil and oil products. Nowhere in the world is there a similar simulator. Moreover, it was created by Russian developers and all domestic software.

This once again proves: if you do not save on serious science and experimental base, we will quickly overcome today's lag in a number of areas and take leading positions. As it happens in icebreaking.

Help "MIC"

Track on hummocks


The shortest path between the European ports and the Far East, passing through the four Arctic seas (Kara, Laptev, East Siberian and Chukchi), was called the North-East passage for a long time, and only at the beginning of the twentieth century it received its modern name. The ice part of the NSR - from the Kara Gates to the bay of Provideniya is 5600 kilometers.

The Northern Sea Route was first traversed from west to east in 1878 – 1879 by the Swedish expedition Niels Nordenskiöld. And the ship, sandwiched by the ice, was forced to winter, just 200 kilometers from the Bering Strait - the rest of the way, after being released from the “captivity”, was overpowered in two days.

Hydrographic expedition under the direction of Boris Vilkitsky on the icebreaking steamers Taimyr and Vaigach in 1914 – 1915 became the first Russian, which managed to pass the NSR, but also during two navigations, with wintering at the Taimyr Peninsula.

For one navigation, the SMP was first traveled by an expedition led by Otto Schmidt aboard the Sibiryakov ship in 1932. At the same time in the USSR, the Main Directorate of the Northern Sea Route (Glavsevmorput) was created, which played an enormous role during the Great Patriotic War. This route was used to guide warships of the Pacific Fleet to the Barents Sea, as well as transportation of coal, timber, and other economic cargoes.

For international shipping, the NSR was opened in the 1991 year.

In recent years, interest in the highway is growing, helped by climate warming. Over the past 40 years, the ice area in the Arctic has almost halved, and the ice-free navigation period in the northern seas has increased significantly. If earlier it lasted from July to September, now it is from June to November. But the number of commercial ships passing the Northern Sea Route is still in the tens, not thousands, as through the Suez Canal.
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  1. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 22 February 2016 06: 03
    44
    In addition to the icebreakers themselves, ice-class vessels are also needed to supply the northern coast. In the USSR, the nuclear-powered lighter-carrier Sevmorput and Carrots, ice-class dry cargo ships Norilsk went to the Arktika. Without them, the effectiveness of icebreakers decreases, especially in conditions of deteriorating ice conditions, for example, in the case of delays in navigation or emergency situations.



    1. Ivan Tucha
      Ivan Tucha 22 February 2016 07: 10
      12
      You forgot a bunch of icebreakers Taimyr and Vaigach.
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 22 February 2016 07: 54
        10
        I meant transport ships, clean icebreakers cannot take much on board. And the "carrots" freely in the punctured channel go on their own, as they are not afraid of freezing or the pressure of the ice cover. So, there are already container ships of the type "Norilsk Nickel" and "Sevmorput" plans to start navigation after repairs in March this year. But this is only the beginning, and much more is needed to develop the Arctic.
      2. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 22 February 2016 14: 19
        +9
        - Listen, a parrot ... and what is so much?
        - It's a lot when a bunch ..
        “Is two nuts a bunch?”
        - Two are not a bunch ..
        - And three?
        - Three is not a bunch either.
        - So what is a bunch?
        - A bunch .. it's when a lot ....
    2. Civil
      Civil 22 February 2016 12: 51
      20
      By the way, they could have called Lenin, nor is there anything terrible about this.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 22 February 2016 16: 39
        11
        It would not be scary, it would be called. laughing "Lenin 2.0" is also not sickly!
      3. Lycan
        Lycan 22 June 2017 09: 12
        0
        But if “Stalin” (or “Ivan the Terrible”) is already scary. And in the first turn - to some foreign clients using this service. Genetic horror will force them to give up and quietly re-register the goods to another, albeit more expensive, transport.
    3. Angler
      Angler 24 February 2016 00: 22
      +2
      This is all, of course, great, but. The Northern Sea Route has already forgotten when it went out to sea, and they made it under the Soviet lighter and container, accepted around the world do not fit. And there were only a few from carrots. Finns built them, and such a heap! The engine room is the death of a mechanic. They built it specifically for the port of Dudinka, and there the mooring is only on the left side, and the ramp is on the right (you can clearly see in the photo), it turned out to be a useless mechanism. Although as an ice walker - out of competition. Although here with a reservation. We Kandalaksha pounded for two days in the Long Strait, neither there - nor could not move here - wiped.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 February 2016 16: 58
        0
        Quote: Monkfish
        This is all, of course, great, but. The Northern Sea Route has already forgotten when it went out to sea, and they made it under the Soviet lighter and container, accepted around the world do not fit.

        At the end of 2013, "SMP" underwent refurbishment. ZHI took place on November 30, 2015.
        “Today, November 30, in the evening at about 21.30 p.m. at the berths of the FSUE Atomflot, after sea trials, the atomic lighter carrier container ship Sevmorput will moor up,” the Atomflot FSUE Communications Department reported.

        As Atomflot understands, in December 2013, the Director General of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom Sergey Kiriyenko decided to restore the Sevmorput nuclear-powered container lighter carrier. In the repair work on the ship, 154 production workers and 50 engineering and technical specialists of JSC 82 Ship Repair Plant were involved. Upon completion, the lighter carrier received a license from the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping for a period of five years.
  2. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 22 February 2016 06: 47
    17
    Leader’s photo just hit me good
    1. cap
      cap 22 February 2016 07: 10
      +5
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Leader’s photo just hit me good


      Similarly !!! good
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 22 February 2016 11: 00
        15
        Only on its contours and upper deck:
        1. In addition to beauty, what is the reason for the lack of portholes on the sides? This is free lighting, which will work even if you accidentally shut off the reactors and there is no fuel left on diesel generators.
        2. All icebreakers have mobilization structural elements in case of war. Where to shove artillery or other weapons on it? There is practically no deck. Especially in the first half of the building. Or a retractable installation is provided. how on the stealth ships?

        The rest is very beautiful. If this is done, then it’s like a spaceship. good
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 February 2016 11: 11
          10
          Because - this is just a concept of the project.
        2. family tree
          family tree 22 February 2016 11: 54
          +9
          Quote: abrakadabre
          This is free lighting, which will work even if you accidentally shut off the reactors and there is no fuel left on diesel generators.

          Duc, there is a day, only in the summer, and the sight of a running electric machine causes the same panic as the sight of a running general in wartime, because he can run only for one reason, "lipidricity" died on the ship, and this, in high latitudes , full ass recourse
          The rest is very beautiful. If this is done, then it’s like a spaceship. good
          Yeah, you’re just sick of painting, how can I walk on it? Tea is not space with zero gravity what
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 22 February 2016 14: 29
            +3
            Quote: perepilka
            how to walk on it then?

            And it is necessary to look at the photo of the "Shark" when a person stands on the deck, the same circle as at the surface of the earth. This "Girl on the Ball" is barely standing, and we all live on the "ball".
            1. family tree
              family tree 23 February 2016 16: 47
              0
              Quote: shasherin.pavel
              And you need to look at the photo of the "Shark" when a man is standing on the deck,

              Have you heard about the gumming artist? The boat, when leaving, 110mm rubber glued. Comes home, after autonomy, in rags, and on a new glue request
              1. valerij
                valerij 8 May 2017 21: 34
                +1
                And not too many rags.
        3. Archon
          Archon 22 February 2016 17: 03
          +2
          and it also seems to me that the crew will slip and fall from such a slippery round deck. I'm generally surprised why the sides of the ships still do not cover with polymers such as organosilicon against corrosion.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 24 February 2016 10: 06
            +1
            This is a disaster. Busurman has long been treated with some rough cement. This despite the fact that they are not based in Severomorsk and see snowballs with ice at times less. And ours for some reason do not do such processing. I don’t know why, maybe just because the water has spilled and frozen on such a rough surface, then it will not be torn off until the very summer ...
            1. vlanis
              vlanis 3 June 2017 17: 21
              0
              Have you ever walked on icy concrete? What is good in the tropics is death in the ice, rough coatings are good at positive temperatures, but useless when icing. and even harmful, you can remove ice from them only with the coating.
        4. dauria
          dauria 23 February 2016 13: 06
          +5
          There is practically no deck. Especially in the first half of the body.


          She was drawn by a designer girl who doesn’t imagine with her ear or snout how difficult it is to make double curvature surfaces. And the funny thing is not just unnecessary and superfluous on the ship, but even harmful. smile
          1. atesterev
            atesterev 25 February 2016 17: 38
            0
            You were mistaken, it was a boy from the Mukhinsky school in St. Petersburg
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        5. Serg koma
          Serg koma 23 February 2016 19: 10
          +2
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Only on its contours and upper deck:

          Sorry, I’ll add from myself-
          3. In case of heavy snowfall, this project having slightly inclined planes contributes to the retention of snow and the difficulty of cleaning it without the use of individual cleaning technologies (which leads to higher cost of the project)
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 24 February 2016 14: 50
            +1
            Just snow removal is technically simple. On board are TWO nuclear reactors. Two, Karl! It is enough to integrate electric heaters into the upper casing and turn them on for wrapping as necessary.
            Really what for this hemorrhoid? ...
            Just because of the beautiful view?
            But the comment above about the manufacture of structures of double curvature - wow. This is technically dreary. True, with the size of the vessel, the curvature there is trifling. And the contours of the stern, boules, etc. somehow do on most ships.
        6. tigoda
          tigoda 1 May 2017 22: 10
          0
          It is much more expensive than a spaceship. And almost as useless for my family. This is minus 10 kindergartens, minus a clinic, minus a school and minus a theater.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 1 May 2017 22: 22
            +3
            Quote: tigoda
            minus the theater.

            Why do you need a theater?
    2. atesterev
      atesterev 22 February 2016 09: 32
      12
      The shipyard’s technologists would have been much more impressed. They would have added so much any profanity on this mountain of designers ...
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 February 2016 17: 06
        +4
        Quote: atesterev
        The shipyard’s technologists would have been much more impressed. They would have added so much any profanity on this mountain of designers ...

        Ah ha ha ... the struggle between designers and technologists has no boundaries and no time frame.
        At the sight of the design of the base proposed by the designer from a bent polished pipe of variable radius of curvature (and bent in two planes), the technologist remembered all the depths of the Russian spoken language.
        And at the sight of the welded construction of a base plate and two painted profile pipes proposed in return by the technologist, the designer showed that the lexicon is also quite rich among humanitarian graduates.
        1. atesterev
          atesterev 25 February 2016 18: 12
          +1
          Below I have already said that designers, technologists and exploiters must work together. Only in such a union will something normal be obtained. The steamboat is not a little car, this cattle is very utilitarian (except for Roman Abramovich’s yachts).
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    3. rpek32
      rpek32 22 February 2016 10: 11
      +3
      it looks like a bast shoe laughing
    4. bamsik
      bamsik 22 February 2016 12: 15
      +6
      think stealth technology?)
      I wonder how to break ice from it?
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 22 February 2016 14: 32
        +4
        Quote: bamsik
        like ice from him

        the anti-drip coating and salt water will slide itself, it’s problematic to break ice into bollards and shrouds, and on the sloping surface the ice will slide itself.
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 23 February 2016 19: 15
          +3
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          and on a sloping surface the ice itself will slide.

          ??? St. Petersburg roofs to help you laughing
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 24 February 2016 14: 52
            0
            There are no built-in nuclear warheads in St. Petersburg roofs. Airplanes, by the way, also somehow get rid of ice in flight. And there it is more critical.
            1. Grandfather Eugene
              Grandfather Eugene April 25 2017 02: 49
              0
              The defroster is covered before the flight.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre April 27 2017 23: 16
                0
                Well, here are several options:
                1. Teflon coating - water simply will not hold and slide before freezing.
                2. A slight heating from the nuclear weapons. Though permanent, even periodic.
            2. tigoda
              tigoda 1 May 2017 22: 18
              0
              this is the "somehow", by the way, has a fortress of 40 degrees, and it consumes hundreds of liters. In short: you won’t get enough for 2 weeks. It is better to use forms tested over 100 years of testing.
    5. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 22 February 2016 14: 24
      0
      The project is certainly grandiose and the photo struck Oh!
    6. alex_V15
      alex_V15 23 February 2016 12: 40
      +1
      View - like alien technology!
      Moreover, the design is generally one-on-one like that of marine equipment from the famous Supreme Commmander game (Enlightened faction)!
      This is not the first time that science fiction has been realized.
      Moreover, there are cases when they did much better than it was written!
      Well done!
      1. Name classified
        Name classified 24 February 2016 13: 25
        +1
        Also SC reminded, only add bulbs left)
        But this concept, in real life, will probably do something more practical.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 25 February 2016 14: 37
          0
          In real life it will look like an ordinary icebreaker - ledokolus vulgaris, but the functionality must be provided.
        2. atesterev
          atesterev 25 February 2016 17: 54
          0
          USC has more money, probably nowhere ...
        3. atesterev
          atesterev 25 February 2016 17: 54
          0
          USC has more money, probably nowhere ...
    7. Angler
      Angler 24 February 2016 00: 32
      +2
      Design - complete nonsense! Cost of construction and inconvenience of maintenance. I'm not talking about simple expediency. On horseradish ass bayan? Who needs these aerodynamic contours, if his task is to work in the Arctic, in the ice. An icebreaker needs high speeds only at the transition Murmansk - Kara Gate - a day, and then everything. 2 knots in ice 2 meters.
      1. Grandfather Eugene
        Grandfather Eugene April 25 2017 02: 51
        0
        C'mon, you have to start changing the design for the sake of fiction. And then it would have traveled along the roads in classic design cars.
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 9 May 2017 20: 57
        0
        Strange you! Have you forgotten about the "peace plowing supersonic tractor"?
        Anyway, the adversary must be scared in advance - let him drown in the latrine.
    8. gladcu2
      gladcu2 4 March 2016 02: 59
      0
      Siberia

      I wonder how icing will knock off the leader? Or is there surface heating?
  3. tuts
    tuts 22 February 2016 07: 21
    +4
    space photo +++
  4. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 22 February 2016 07: 35
    +3
    What is an "offshore pool"? Explain, plz, overland, who knows.
    1. aba
      aba 23 February 2016 16: 55
      +1
      And the offshore pool under construction

      I, too, have been confused by the word "offshore" for some time now.
      As the history of Cyprus shows, it may suddenly happen to be not Russian.
      1. goose
        goose 25 February 2016 15: 36
        +1
        What is not clear? Swimming pool in the office of one of the oligarchs in the Virgin Islands.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 9 May 2017 20: 58
          0
          Boundless, boundless ... all that is. :-)
  5. Diviz
    Diviz 22 February 2016 07: 35
    +3
    This is an iron !!!
  6. tchoni
    tchoni 22 February 2016 08: 46
    +2
    Yes, the idea with the Northern Sea Route, more precisely with its commercial use, is grandiose!
    1. Angler
      Angler 24 February 2016 00: 52
      +3
      It was grandiose in the USSR, when under the North program it was planned to build 30 nuclear-powered ships! Alas, the wings were cut. And it's not even icebreakers. To rivet a piece of iron is not a problem, even such freaks, as in the picture. Cadres decide everything! (I.V. Stalin) That says it all. Those bison that worked on icebreakers before retired. There is no one to pass on the experience to young people. And who is teaching in Makarovka now, I’m even afraid to guess. The operation of a nuclear-powered ship and an ordinary ship, these are two big differences, you can’t do it alone with the courses, we need specialists! And this is 5 and a half years of training and the output is a raw 4th mechanic. In 5 years, a real specialist will grow out of him.
  7. blind
    blind 22 February 2016 08: 47
    0
    It is unlikely that SMP will be attractive for commercial use in the next 50 years. the extension of the railway path seems to me more attractive
    1. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 22 February 2016 16: 37
      +2
      I agree - if this money is invested in the railway (BAM, Transsib ...) then it will be more convenient for carriers, but more useful for the country and the economy. Along the way, there will be an impulse for development. Delivery of a container from Vladik to Brest in 1 week by railway - that's it! By the way, China with its "silk road" is trying and, I'm afraid, they will do it bypassing Russia.

      And then shipbuilders are looking for orders - this is understandable and correct. and the picture looks beautiful.
      1. Angler
        Angler 24 February 2016 00: 42
        +1
        There is something else besides the way from Europe to the Far East. And at the moment it is much more important. This is providing the Russian North with supplies, export from Norilsk and, importantly, our military bases in the Arctic, which have finally begun to revive.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 9 May 2017 21: 00
          0
          About missile launch points from SSBNs forgotten. Unobtrusively so.
  8. thinker
    thinker 22 February 2016 09: 05
    +4
    With rhythmic funding, shipbuilders will be able to build three new nuclear powered ships by 2020–2021.

    The launch of the "Arctic" is scheduled for May 25 - the day of the plant's 150th anniversary.
    http://yamal-region.tv/news/18553/
    http://www.korabli.eu/galleries/oboi/grazhdanskie-suda/proekt-22220
  9. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 22 February 2016 09: 10
    +1
    If only the gigantomania would not overwhelm the icebreakers! The dimensions of the "Leader" are already too much. Are you going to prick icebergs? "Arktika" performed practically all the tasks that arose.
    1. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz 22 February 2016 09: 24
      +7
      The purpose of such a cyclopean icebreaker is directly written in the article. wassat

      He will be able to lay a 50-meter-wide shipping channel for large ocean transports.
    2. goose
      goose 25 February 2016 15: 38
      0
      And what is cyclopic about it? Up to 20 thousand tons are ordinary ships, any military low-sided trifle of 4-6 thousand tons is not considered full-fledged ships, except for Aurora. With its 7 thousand it seems like a big sailing ship.
  10. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 22 February 2016 09: 34
    +3
    Attention to the question - WHY FOR THE ICE-BREAKER FLOWED FORMS ??? laughing
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 22 February 2016 10: 01
      12
      Have you heard anything about the wind load?
    2. lexx2038
      lexx2038 22 February 2016 14: 15
      10
      Well, apparently this "cocoon" is from the wind and from the cold, but inside there can be full-fledged decks, in addition, if you make it from some translucent, frost-resistant composite based on Teflon-nano-super-duper, then icing is not terrible, and sailors there will be no blowing from the deck into the ocean, and you can already work without a sheepskin coat ...
      1. vlanis
        vlanis 3 June 2017 17: 35
        0
        Most likely this is the case.
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    4. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 22 February 2016 14: 38
      +8
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      Attention question -

      And what is the cons question? Well, Russia was never beaten for demand! "This is not our way"!
    5. vlanis
      vlanis 3 June 2017 17: 33
      0
      Probably, so that less ice will accumulate, water will not linger on the hull, and frozen ice is easier to remove, it is enough to warm the hull to freezing temperature - the ice will slide itself, for nuclear-powered ships it’s an acceptable option,
  11. Mera joota
    Mera joota 22 February 2016 11: 03
    -5
    Russia remains the recognized leader in world icebreaking. This, in particular, confirms the certificate prepared for the US Congress. Let us turn to it for the sake of objectivity. According to American estimates, we have 34 icebreakers in operation

    For reference. Almost all icebreakers operated by the Russian civilian fleet were built in Finland, in particular, the above-mentioned "hard workers" Kapitan Dranitsin, "Kapitan Sorokin", "Kapitan Khlebnikov" built during the Soviet era. " So Finland is the leader in icebreaking.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 24 February 2016 14: 54
      +1
      Are you talking about diesel or nuclear powered ships?
  12. Mcarrow
    Mcarrow 22 February 2016 11: 14
    +5
    It is a pity that it was not possible to implement the program of atomic lighter carriers, in theory there should be several of them and they had to go almost around the world every flight. But our "foreign partners" have begun massive anti-advertising against the use of peaceful nuclear energy. Yes, and perestroika with a shootout helped.
    1. Angler
      Angler 24 February 2016 01: 07
      0
      Yeah. Here are just "foreign partners" this time nothing to do with. The Northern Sea Route made several flights abroad. Only now the lighter for which it was built did not meet international standards, and we had to stand and wait until they were unloaded, instead of throwing empty ones and going on the return flight. In short, he worked on international lines until the insurance ended, and then only went to the Arctic, since it turned out to be expensive to pay again - the nineties had already begun. By the way, the Northern Sea Route was not alone. There were also a couple of sisterships, but with diesels. The idea was interesting, but it had nothing to do with commerce. One flight could have flown 500 tanks to America across the Arctic.
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 February 2016 11: 18
    15
    Here is the Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller for 18,000 shipping containers mentioned in the article.
    The largest ships in the world are being built. South Koreans
    Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 22 February 2016 14: 43
      +2
      And put this thing
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Build the largest ships in the world

      on the stream, like the Americans in their time, "Liberty".
    2. goose
      goose 25 February 2016 15: 40
      0
      It is more like a ferry walking across the South China Sea
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 February 2016 11: 26
    +5
    The Chinese have not abandoned the intention to carry out container ships
    along the Northern ice path.
    And with icebreakers fussed.
    1. family tree
      family tree 22 February 2016 12: 25
      +8
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And with icebreakers fussed.

      Well, yes, they ordered their second icebreaker to designers from Aker Arctic. Finns will probably also be built, at Arctech Helsinki Shipyard, such a daughter at the Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation.
      1. Angler
        Angler 24 February 2016 01: 10
        +3
        In the photo it’s more likely not an icebreaker, but a ship supplying an ALA class. It is very similar to a series of Ivan Papanin of the Nikolaev construction.
  15. kirgudu
    kirgudu 22 February 2016 12: 40
    -7
    The name leader is associated mainly with a cooperative from the 90s.
  16. galakt
    galakt 22 February 2016 13: 50
    +3
    "Necessarily a place for the installation of" Zircons "!!!, Well, about 20, no less" Or maybe it is better to immediately make a kind of military missile cruiser-icebreaker for escorting ships in polar latitudes. So, just in case.
    1. goose
      goose 25 February 2016 15: 43
      0
      What for? The icebreaker only needs air defense and artillery. The use of special installations of ship-to-ship missiles is not necessary. I put a dozen containers with "clubs" on the deck - and that's enough. PLO complexes in the Arctic - well, I don't know, this is blasphemy, with the constant noise of ice, and clean water is not always available.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 26 February 2016 08: 58
        0
        Even containers with clubs need a deck. At least a little. Or make the helipad chtol?
        1. vlanis
          vlanis 4 June 2017 07: 23
          0
          look at pictures of submarines, for silo launchers a flat deck is not necessary. now all missiles use vertical launch.
  17. kig
    kig 22 February 2016 14: 19
    +3
    The world community will only start using the NSR when it really becomes more profitable than the route through the Suez Canal. Then there will be no end to those who wish. So far, foreigners believe that such a path is shorter, but more expensive and less predictable. So icebreakers are far from all. But for us, if we intend to develop the northern regions, they will be very useful.
    1. max702
      max702 22 February 2016 20: 08
      +3
      Quote: kig
      The world community will only start using the NSR when it really becomes more profitable than the route through the Suez Canal. Then there will be no end to those who wish.

      Her, when it will be completely controlled by Western capital! And not as before !! They will never allow managing the strategic area into the wrong hands, and even if it can bring money (not for those who need it) Do not happen to this!
  18. mayhem
    mayhem 22 February 2016 15: 20
    +3
    a good thing you need to build a couple of dozen, and from Siberia to do, like Alaska, so that people want to live there all conditions, and not survive
  19. atesterev
    atesterev 22 February 2016 17: 35
    +8
    It seems to me that a linear icebreaker is not a little some kind of concept car and its design should be primarily rational for both construction and operation, but to delight the eyes of the townsfolk, which will mainly be polar bears, in the last turn. A complete feeling that the design students were given some fun, and so it turned out a miracle.
    1. atesterev
      atesterev 22 February 2016 17: 58
      0
      In pursuit :)

      http://www.cardesign.ru/articles/degree_show/2015/07/29/6519/
  20. dakty
    dakty 22 February 2016 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Here is the Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller for 18,000 shipping containers mentioned in the article.
    The largest ships in the world are being built. South Koreans
    Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering.

    That at least crack, does not fit in my head 18000! On this ship above the deck, MAXIMUM 4416 (24x23x8 without subtracting the superstructure). Judging by the upper volume, under the deck, let it be 2 times as much (really, I think, less. There are all the knots, fuel, etc.) It turns out anyway less than 18000. Or do they consider them to be small containers?
    Does anyone competent explain?
    1. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 22 February 2016 17: 46
      +3
      the photo is hard to see, but most likely all (or many of them) are 40-foot containers. 18000 UT from the calculation of 20-foot, i.e. = 9000 40-foot containers of maximum weight.
    2. kig
      kig 23 February 2016 08: 24
      +2
      Container ship capacity is considered TEU = twenty-foot equivalent unit, i.e. a standard 20-foot container. Such a container has dimensions LxBxH = 6.1x2.44x2.59 meters. You can calculate it yourself, proceeding from the length of the vessel 399 m, the width 59 and the height of the side 73. 24 containers will fit on the deck in width and 8 levels in height. True, the width of the vessel is reduced in the bow, and below the deck there will be not 21 rows of containers, but less, most likely 18. In the available photos, most containers are 40-foot, that is, 1 (40) = 2TEU.

      By the way, the largest container ship in the world now is the CSCL Globe and its sisters with a capacity of 19100 TEU.
  21. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 22 February 2016 18: 17
    +3
    A promising icebreaker will be beautiful and a suitable name will be chosen, not worn out. Why only in the USSR did they not name Lenin. Near Kolomna there was even a rope factory to them. Lenin. Maybe she’s still left.
    And the prospect of the development of cargo transportation along the Northern Sea Route, nevertheless, is more dependent on climate change ... This route can also be used for domestic transportation. In particular, military cargo.
  22. combat192
    combat192 22 February 2016 20: 35
    +2
    Vague doubts torment me ... And where, let me ask, weapons systems will be installed? After all, icebreakers (including atomic ones) are considered to be auxiliary cruisers of the Russian Navy for mobilization.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 22 February 2016 22: 52
      +2
      Quote: combat192
      And where, let me ask, weapons systems will be installed?

      And where are PUs installed for all kinds of missiles? Below the deck, as usual, and which deck is shaped is not so important. And then - do not forget that for now this is just a concept, the real project (if implemented) will look a little different.
  23. Vadim237
    Vadim237 22 February 2016 21: 55
    -2
    It’s probably shipbuilders and Rosatom decided to attract attention of such buyers of expensive yachts as Roman Abramovich - an icebreaking luxury yacht with a fast neutron reactor.
    1. atesterev
      atesterev 25 February 2016 17: 34
      0
      Literally the same thing was repeated below. Sorry, didn’t notice :).
    2. atesterev
      atesterev 25 February 2016 17: 34
      0
      Literally the same thing was repeated below. Sorry, didn’t notice :).
  24. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 22 February 2016 22: 36
    +4
    Many scold the shape of the icebreaker’s hull because they came up with in Russia, and the Americans or the Dutch or the Germans thought up the under the picture, and this will begin, but ours are behind, the state is not developing, they are stealing.
  25. Grishka cat
    Grishka cat 22 February 2016 23: 43
    0
    The view of the concept was astounding. And as for painting, the old icebreakers are also uncomfortable, as well as any other ship or ship. A bunch of all sorts of different nooks, bends such as frames, etc. This is not a barn or a fence to paint, and not even a car: you can’t put it into the camera. So a round concept or a square - no difference!
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 25 February 2016 09: 12
      +1
      There a little above was a link to a page with these concepts. I liked another concept there more. This. It is more realistic to operate. There is a deck, a crane not in the form of an incomprehensible blotch on a sloping hull, but as it should be next to the deck, where it is normal to load / unload, etc.
      1. atesterev
        atesterev 25 February 2016 16: 36
        0
        On the crane, I simply did not focus my attention, but it struck me as well ... It's just that Mucha, unfortunately, has moved too far from industrial design to some kind of spherical horses in a vacuum.
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    1. atesterev
      atesterev 22 February 2016 23: 51
      +3
      Another yacht for Roman Abramovich, only reinforced ice class and with nuclear power plants?
      1. Angler
        Angler 24 February 2016 01: 21
        +1
        Yeah, why fly from Anadyr to Europe, if it is possible to Pevek on deer, and then shake on such a live a couple of weeks.
  27. Igor V
    Igor V 23 February 2016 22: 28
    0
    For all its cost effectiveness, supercontainer carriers also have a drawback - not every port can enter. And there - along the tundra, by rail ... So there is work for small container ships.
  28. Igor V
    Igor V 23 February 2016 22: 32
    +1
    I may not understand something, but how to moor, or will a special team of climbers climb the region?
    1. vlanis
      vlanis 3 June 2017 17: 45
      0
      Why run around the formwork? just open whatever the hatch is specially designed for this purpose. and all things.
  29. Igor V
    Igor V 23 February 2016 22: 32
    0
    I may not understand something, but how to moor, or will a special team of climbers climb the region?
  30. Fat
    Fat 24 February 2016 01: 14
    +2
    Sorry, I have not read the "premium" I congratulate everyone who held weapons in their hands on the holiday.
  31. GAndr
    GAndr 24 February 2016 12: 59
    +2
    Quote: kugelblitz
    In addition to the icebreakers themselves, ice-class vessels are also needed to supply the northern coast. In the USSR, the nuclear-powered lighter-carrier Sevmorput and Carrots, ice-class dry cargo ships Norilsk went to the Arktika. Without them, the effectiveness of icebreakers decreases, especially in conditions of deteriorating ice conditions, for example, in the case of delays in navigation or emergency situations.





    Wow, I remember carrots with lighters all the time we were in the bay of Providence. For navigation a lot of them went. As I remember now, their orange and red carcasses in the roads and in the port. And then ... and then the USSR was gone. There were no carrots in the raid.
  32. Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari 24 February 2016 13: 35
    +1
    A concept may (perhaps even should) be beautiful. A dream should have an attractive look. You see, what’s inside and how it works, you see, few people know and are able to understand, but the way it looks is accessible to almost everyone and should be used to popularize and even promote this direction.

    It is more important that the real technique, when embodied in metal, does not suffer from design refinements.
    1. atesterev
      atesterev 25 February 2016 17: 02
      0
      That is why joyfully screeching kittens must be immersed in real life.
      The design of the steamer is not just something streamlined and shiny weakened there, it is a joint work of the designer with professionals in the field of shipbuilding and the operation of these same, under construction and constructed, ships.
      I will not talk about USC, for what is the task, such is the proposal ...
  33. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 24 February 2016 16: 00
    0
    class. futuristic icebreaker. and probably simple as a Kalash rifle?
  34. rubidiy
    rubidiy 24 February 2016 19: 00
    0
    I saw nothing but a fashionable-licked exterior. Anyone can draw this in a 3D editor in an evening. The idea of ​​transferring the helipad from the stern is also from the "Unified State Exam Generation" series ... fool
  35. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 February 2016 19: 21
    0
    I remind you that my colleagues have already noted that any large icebreaker is an auxiliary cruiser, which means the composition should initially be staffed with professional officers and midshipmen of specialists. Weapons are already being considered in the design process and believe me on nuclear powered ships (I don’t know about diesel engines), everything is provided and everything is thought out and the right time, everything will stand in its place and wait in the wings. And there will not be enough specialists, they will recruit from the reserve.
  36. Indifferent
    Indifferent 24 February 2016 23: 44
    0
    I would like to know how this "soap dish" will be moored. Where will the mooring teams be stationed? Where are the bollards?
    I feel that it was not the sailors who took up the design, but a team of sofas from Moscow. Perhaps it will be a "sliding book", but then all drives for sliding and sliding special devices will freeze and each time they will have to be pumped out with a sledgehammer.
    The purpose of the two "keels" at the very top is also not clear. Is it ventilation pipes or antennas for locators and radio communications? I am afraid that they will interfere during mooring and towing. The view from the bridge will be insufficient. We'll have to spend money on additional cameras! But for the sake of beauty you can't sacrifice for anything! People's money. No pity!
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 25 February 2016 09: 22
      0
      In fairness, the cost of several high-resolution cameras (even a couple of dozen), and with anti-fogging / icing protection (and with a thermal imaging channel and IR projectors for mooring on a polar night) in the cost of such a ship is lower than the statistical error.
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      2. atesterev
        atesterev 25 February 2016 16: 45
        0
        Will you also be moored by two dozen cameras?
        And if the steamer needs to be taken "on the mustache"?
        And if the linear icebreaker went to save someone?
        And if you need to take on board some cargo?
        .
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 26 February 2016 09: 00
          0
          But this is a slightly different thing. Different from the review level. And in this I completely agree.
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 9 May 2017 21: 17
            0
            Forgive the layman - is it impossible to file a mooring end with a robot? Its price, again, will not increase the overall price much. Again, an extra crane on board. Yes, with precision control ...
        2. vlanis
          vlanis 3 June 2017 17: 49
          0
          And how it is done on modern cruise ships, the “gates” on board and the whole song come off.
  37. Vecheslav
    Vecheslav 8 May 2017 13: 06
    0
    What surprises me is the fact that by all means they come up with different crap just to prevent really high technologies from moving so that the metal does not corrode. 10 or 8 years ago, our chemists created a substance, when dipping iron into it, it actually becomes eternal, and if a tree is soaked with this substance, it will never decay and will not burn. I have not heard about this development of our Russian physicists. Looks like the auto industry, and shipbuilders this development is not needed, because then there will be no profit. stop rotting the hulls of cars, tanks, ships, and much more that is made of iron.
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 May 2017 13: 17
      0
      Quote: Vecheslav
      our chemists created a substance, when dipping iron into it, it actually becomes eternal, and if a tree is soaked with this substance, it will never decay and will not burn. I have not heard about this development of our Russian physicists.

      Well, this is not strange, since chemists came up with the “substance”, then what do physicists have to do with it?
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 9 May 2017 21: 19
        0
        The commune has been swimming for 100 years, without any dipping. Maybe it's not a matter of chemists?
    2. Kadimich
      Kadimich 15 June 2017 13: 28
      0
      DO NOT be naive and DO NOT: there is NO CHEAP technology in the world so that steel / iron does NOT "corrode" or does NOT "stick" to it from algae and so on.
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  39. Kostya Minkin
    Kostya Minkin 12 September 2017 11: 49
    0
    At the moment, our country is in the Cold War with the Americans. Disinformation and panic are also one of the methods of military operations that all warring parties use. From the article "military review" traces of the introduction of a hopeless situation into our consciousness i.e. I have to give up. I would like to ask the author where such “disinformation” was (most likely our enemies paid for it) or if our command itself provided the Lord’s report with such secret information, even if it’s true that it’s not blown to anyone. "arouses great suspicion of the loyalty of our country and the people who read this" crap "We will need to unscrew the head of the ordinary Russian people, and not the liberals and" V.O. "